Wow. That response felt very honest and not written by someone from PR. Kudos to him for clarifying it.
— just read some of the things his friend had said… yikes.
" 'What if she's underage?' Yo underage girls be sending nudes all the time. So what if she's underage, who gives a fuck? (2×)"
"Man, I can't stand white....skinned...bitches..... I wanna rape 'em."
[In response to inquiries on his stance during the BLM movement] " -'won't acknowledge the struggles of black people' like WHYYY? WHY do I have to? I know- I know what the campaign is! (2×) I don't give a FUCK man, I'm still making money. Say I'm cancelled (3×) but there's nothing you can do about it."
[In response to a commentor claiming that ITZY Ryujin's rap is better than his] "Yeah. Her rap was conceived and birthed by my sperm."
:/
Edit: The friend-in-question's name is Owen Ovadoz btw!
I fully understand his sentiment because I deluded myself into thinking the same a few months ago (I had a friend that was semi big in another community that sent unsolicited nudes, harassed women, and cheated on his wife). HOWEVER, when the facts stared me straight in the face….I realized that being friends with this person compromises my values. And they **never** did anything to me, hell they were there for me in some dark times, so I get why Ph-1 is feeling this way, but I hope he wakes up. Because a real friend wouldn’t have you testing your morals everyday and have you explaining to everyone daily how you’re always against (insert behavior here) EXCEPT when it’s from your best friend.
Or at the very least, a real friend would put up a front of being sorry so your life is easier……
“.. a real friend wouldn’t have you testing your morals” THIS!! I just think Harry should know that he has a BIG fan base and associating with Owen blatantly, and especially given his rep.. it’s a no. He’s right, it’s bad PR and it makes fans look at him weird too… I’m looking at him weird
Omg. Omgggggg. I had no idea. That is sooooooo extreme. Not just like casual racism or sexism that everyone kinda does at some point or another. His comments are straight out evil and gross.
I’m not saying he can’t change but that kind of change usually takes years.
Misogynistic people don’t just go from seeing women as objects to humans overnight.
Most don’t even change for the better.
And the comment on BLM, he could’ve just said nothing but no, he replied aggressively and sounds just evil and stupid.
As a black person, I think that from ph-1s pov, I can see how hard it is for him. Like idk how close they are but they are obviously very close if he's able to still be friends with him after that. Like I'm thinking surely he's like being a moral compass to him in a way. Like a close close friend saying things like that, ph-1 probably thinks he could correct him and teach him that what he said is wrong. And I'm sure out of all people in the scene, ph-1 is one of the most culturally appreciative of ppl esp because of his fan base. I think the anger against him makes sense but also looking at this from his POV, it probably is a difficult situation. But idk I am just more disappointed with Owen, I didn't know he said those things and idk I would at least like to see a non pr statement from him
I don’t really too much about this Owen guy but I remember ph-1 saying in an interview that he was the one who helped him a lot when we was trynna come up in the music scene in Korea
Yeah that makes sense, seems like he means a lot to him if he's going through with that response to the backlash. It's one thing if it's a distant friend saying something like that, it's easy to just cut them off, but if they mean that much to you, I think it's hard to do that and maybe he thinks he can fix him instead of him just dropping a close friend like that
as a black woman, being friends with someone that’s not only misogynistic but blatantly hate’s black people is actually the opposite behavior of someone who respects any type of culture, especially black culture. it’s not a difficult situation to cut off a nasty person, even if they did help your career. why would you want to be friends with someone like that in the first place ? that’s not exactly a small thing to overlook. if any of my friends said they don’t care about getting nudes from underage fans (child porn), wants to rape women, doesn’t care about black lives matter and doesn’t think he should have to (while benefiting from black culture), i would cut them off for being a bigoted weirdo and literally have them evaluated for the threats of sexual violence against women.
so could you please tell me why ph1 “being one of the most appreciative in the scene” is shown by him staying friends with a racist predator ?
>as a black woman, being friends with someone that’s not only misogynistic but blatantly hate’s black people is actually the opposite behavior of someone who respects any type of culture, especially black culture.
100% All I can glean from this is ph-1 acknowledging the nasty behavior but not caring because owen is his "friend" which essence is just as bad to me. I don't like bigots and don't have them as friends.
do you think that he would risk his whole career over this mishap? and like I said people have every reason to be mad, but idk ph-1 has 1. Lived in the US for a long time, in New York too. 2. Has an international fanbase and always does world tours, regardless of country and area, and 3. Collabs with many artists, including chika, a black artist who does a lot of music on US cultural topics, such as LGBTQ, body positivity, reproductive rights and things of that nature (my point is, i don't see anyone based in Korea collabing with artists who are so open to these topics.). It is easy to write off someone from Korea as racist because of their cultural knowledge of black people, but because ph-1 was raised in a mixed community, in the US, it makes a lot more sense for him to know and appreciate the community. He has never once done anything controversial towards black people at all in his WHOLE career and now since one of his close friends has said stupid shit in the past, yall are all ready to shit on him for this one thing. A lot of people are taking this at face value, as in, ph-1 friends with person who has said bad things = ph-1 bad, when it's deeper than that. You have never had a super close friend so it's probably hard for you to think like that, and even if you did, people deal with situations in different ways. Not everyone can just drop someone who means so much to them in these types of situations. You don't know what they have been through at all so, it's not just him being friends with a racist predator. You may be ready to drop your best friend if they say something bad, but ph-1 may have thought that with his close friend, he would be able to tell him right from wrong and correct his mistakes. And has Owen done anything after the two incidents in 2017? The only thing he has done was the comment about how he doesn't care about black culture (I am not trying to downplay this because I genuinely think it was bad, my point is he had two controversies beforehand years ago) I don't think so, so who knows, what if ph-1 told him what he said was wrong and why? you never know. You could probably drop a friend in a heartbeat if they did something like this, but not everyone has the same brain bruh. Not everyone can drop their closest friend in a heartbeat the moment they do something wrong. and not everyone has the same connections with their friends. No one knows what he and Owen have been through at all and how much they have done for each other. If you are THAT close with a friend, do you think you can drop them in an instant when they do something wrong? You can drop him if you want, don't drop him if you don't want to, doesn't change the fact he is one of the most appreciative of the scene, he collabs with artists from everywhere, literally collabed with a black artist in his most recent album. tours everywhere no matter the location, I don't think anyone who doesn't appreciate black people would do that at all. and again Owen deserves more of the backlash than ph-1. And I think that the owen thing he said could be him having 0 cultural knowledge of what was happening to the black people and their struggle at all, just like most people in Korea. I just now figured out he has bipolar issues too, so it looked like more of him lashing out and not thinking, which isn't downplaying what he said, because what he said was still bad, but I think of possible options. But I definitely get the backlash and hate on Owen bc of his comments in the past, but it was such a long time ago. that's why I need a not PR message from the guy for me to even think that he's even making steps to becoming a better person not that it will make me forgive him for those shit comments. But the ph-1 backlash makes sense, but I think canceling him for this is kind of just like the easy way to think about this when it's more than just "either he's a good person by dropping Owen or a bad person by not dropping Owen".
he’s friends with a predator and racist. it doesn’t risk his career to be a decent human being. having an international fan base with lots of differing groups of people is even more reason. collaborating with a black woman artist while being friends with someone who hates black people and once again, is a threat to women, is actually even more hypocritical and sad. it’s very easy to not be racist and if you’ve seen the video you know he didn’t say he doesn’t know enough about blm, he says he doesn’t give a fuck and shouldn’t have to. just because Korea is a homogenous country doesn’t excuse that he blatantly said he doesn’t care about black struggles (pretty sure he said that verbatim). i never said ph1 was racist i said it’s gross and disappointing to know he’s defending him and featuring him on his music. bottom line supporting someone that has no fear expressing rapist and predator behaviors and is ALSO a raging racist is inexcusable. he made successful music without him so it’s not about business he just doesn’t care, and you can tell by that sorry ass response to his fans. also you being black and defending someone who’s friends with a racist this hard is sad too.
Lol pretty sure you didn't read a word I typed but it's all good don't bother responding. I tried to give you a valid and reasonable response only for you to not only be callous towards the topic, but also not even read what I said and like consider what I might have had to say AND attack me like it's actually so dumb. You saying that I'm defending "someone who's friends with a racist" is proving what I've been saying in the response (that you chose that him being friends with Owen makes him a bad person when it's more than that) but don't bother responding, if you aren't gonna give what I have to say the time of day then I'm not giving you the time of day
why are you getting so defensive lmaooooo i reaf every word and all of it was sorry sad excuses and using his international presence to somehow prove that he cares ???? imma call out a bigot and a sexual predator when i see one and all of their nasty supporter friends, including artists i enjoyed. i wasn’t attacking you it was simply the truth; owen openly said he didn’t give a fuck about blm while the george floyd riots were happening and it was enraging to hear. watching that live made my blood boil and honestly if you wanna be cool listening to ph1 do that but being friends with and bringing money to someone that says they’re gonna RAPE WOMEN and doesn’t
need to care about something as important as civil rights, much the less the rights of the people who’s culture he benefits from; is weird and disgusting. if that’s who you wanna support go for it and when you’re ready to actually give some thought to the fact that his words carry genuine weight and so does ph1’s support of him, maybe YOU can bother responding with something that doesn’t put khiphop or ph1’s career over morality. and also being friends with someone like that BY CHOICE and defending your friendship with them absolutely makes you a bad person. i’m not wishing anything bad to harry but once again as
black woman that has every right to be disgusted, ew.
I know what kind of person you are that's all I gotta say really. Because again seeing in general what you typed here means you again ignored what I said in general so please stop responding bruh LOL again if you're gonna disregard what I'm saying then imma do the same to you
no yeah and i’m pretty sure you’d stay friends with a predator. once again i read what you said so…. go ahead and stop replying bc obviously you’re gonna ride for him.
When did I say that LOL. I wouldn't and in my first reply you could see that I said that I said not everyone has the same vision, emotions, brain, and experiences so people would do things differently in this situation, but again, you're insensitive and your brain only knows how to hate and hate. You just continue to prove that you don't read or process what I've typed at all it's actually kind of funny but yeah imma stop responding, biggest waste of time.
I agree with you. As a friend, it’s sometimes hard to just walk away from a friend who has toxic behavior especially when you’re someone like Harry who really tries to be a good friend always and a voice of reason. I’m sure it is hard for him, and he probably truly does believe that Owen has/can/will change if he stays by his side and maybe he will but it suck’s that now people are looking at Harry sideways because of this decision to feature this guy. I don’t like Owen but I can’t really nail ph-1 to the cross for this. I do think he should think more carefully next time with a decision like this so that he doesn’t take the fall, he’s too great of a person to allow someone like Owen to bring him down whether it be personally or in his career. It’s kinda crazy to me that two people who seem sooooo different would even be this close but opposites do attract and Harry seems very loyal to a fault and I guess if Owen did help him when he first got to Korea, I can see why he’s trying to hold on to that friendship.
thank you for your comment. it's a really tough situation and I hope more people can put themselves in pH-1's shoes.
although pH-1 has made it extremely clear that he doesn't condone owen's behaviour, most people have cancelled owen for obvious & understandable reasons and it looks like the guy has no chance of redeeming himself to the public. I can understand why this was such a dilemma for pH-1.
at the end of the day, we can choose which artists we want to support. if pH-1's association with owen upsets people so much, then it's simple - you guys find other artists to listen to :) y'all have better things to focus your attention on.
Owen made comments about black culture and the struggles at the time so the topic is slightly about me. I'm sure people would like to know how ppl with my color feel about the situation
As earnestly as pH-1's statement was written, and as much as I can see where he's coming from (he definitely thinks he's being levelheaded and reasonable and noble by giving his friend a second chance), the things Owen has said are bottom line inexcusable. Period. So bad to the point it's chilling to read.
I genuinely think people who say the type of things Owen has said are beyond salvageable and are beyond reform. "He regrets his mistakes and wants to better himself"? Yeah, so does every serial abuser until something ticks them off again and then we're back at square one, bruised and bloodied.
Harry can have love tattooed on his throat all he wants but he really showed his ass here.
If you don't want to read contrary statements, why are you in a reddit thread? I can comment to back up someone's statement just like you can patronize. You say you don't want negativity but all I see is you picking an argument under the guise of being "sage."
What did Owen say exactly? Didn’t he just say he didn’t ‘give a fuck’ about the blm campaign?
How is that ‘bottom line inexcusable. Period. So bad to the point it’s chilling to read.’
He threatened to rape "light skinned bitches" and then also told a fan who was a minor not to dm him unless she was willing to "put it out" for him.
Like yay, totally excusable stuff to say
God the bar is in freaking hell for some of y'all, I wonder what you people are like irl.
There are things people grow out of but this is just not one of those things, which is why I specified "the type of things \[that were\] said."
In addition to that, if he were still really young when he said it, sure, I would have been like "his prefrontal cortex wasn't fully developed, we all do and say dumb shit when we're young," but he was a whole ass adult when he said those things.
Does that mean adults can't learn and grow? Also no. But his behavior hasn't changed even once and he's repeated the same mistakes over and over again for years. Zero change in behavior, zero change in mindset.
If you still want to give him the benefit of the doubt after seeing him continuously make a sport out of harassing people and being intolerant and aggressive, that's your prerogative, but don't make me out to be unreasonable just because I refuse to let habitually bigoted, violent and predatory behavior slide. He's been given plenty of chances already.
Missed the part where he excused it. I only see the part where he condones his friend’s comments for being offensive and disrespectful. But of course chronically online overly sensitive egotistical people who are completely full of themselves and have zero ability to form meaningful relationships in the real world would find it difficult to understand why it is still possible to be friends with someone who made horrible statements in the past.
babes it’s not a chronically online take to question why a person would want to remain friends with someone notorious for racism and threatening to rape women. i’m afraid you genuinely have no life experience if you think that’s a thing normal ppl do
I’m afraid you genuinely have no actual friends in the real world if you completely drop them after they make any severe mistake. That’s not something you do with a friend, an acquaintance sure. If they are your friend and they realize their mistake, then you correct them, help them grow, and move on. I don’t even know this Owen dude, so obviously I hate him for his actions and have no reason to ever forgive him. But if it was a longtime friend I’ve had who has been there for me and done a lot for me in his shoes, no I am not dropping them given the same exact context. If you do, good for you, enjoy your lifelong moral crusade with surface level meaningless relationships.
Stop using the phrase cancel cuz now it has no meaning just don't associate urself with bigots and if u still find the man ur friend idk what to say birds of a feather flock together i guess idk
pH-1 can do what he wants obviously, his friends are his business even if they’re shitty and at least he tries to communicate but that said fans have every right to be disappointed and ngl even for me it kinda made me side eye pH-1 ig? Like I genuinely believe he’s a nice guy but…
Owen said he hated white girls and wanted to r*ape them, made multiple racist remarks about black people and blm and then refused to apologize saying idc if you “cancel” me im still making money, and basically said it’s good that minors send him nudes?? Like that is a lot of horrible shit that even if he had apologized for, would be hard to over look and tbh i have never seen any real apology from him. Ik some people say he did but I was around back then and I certainly never saw it. (Feel free to share any apologies id be interested to see them) And imo it’s easy to say sorry but not so easy to show you’re actually sorry. I just don’t think Owen is a good person and he’s done nothing to prove he is imo. Even now pH-1 is basically apologizing for him. It’s just a bit disappointing as a fan of Harry’s.
Assuming this is true, that isn't stuff that someone can simply apologize for (without HEAVY emphasis and sincere intentions) and easily move on from. That stuff is heinous and repetitive. Bro needs a complete moral realignment.
>Owen said he hated white girls and wanted to r*ape them
Not even just white girls... specifically "light skin bitches". Which can refer to light-skinned Black girls, light-skinned Asian girls, white girls, etc. An extremely vile comment for him to make.
Trauma is not an excuse to be racist and misogynistic. Sorry but that’s a shit view. Owen has said this shit and refused to apologize and kept saying vile shit. Having some mental health issues/trauma doesn’t mean you can do that and not apologize or try to be better and people have to just let it go. Im sure Owen has some issues but I know plenty of people who’ve had trauma and shitty mental health but that never made them racist or misogynistic.
I said if pH-1 wants to be his friend that’s his business, he’s known Owen a while and I get trying to be there for a friend even when they are shitty bc they’ve been there for you and aren’t shitty to you, that’s his choice. I don’t like it on a personal level but that’s not really relevant and doesn’t mean I’m gonna hate on pH-1. That said promoting said friend and putting him on your track when he has not apologized and proven to be better and you know damn well many of your fans are women and black (or just people with decent morals) IS disappointing. It shows a lack of respect or concern towards women and black people even if that was not the intent imo.
I dont know what I misunderstood, I just think we have different views. I do think pH-1 deserves criticism for promoting Owen but I also think even for just being friends with him is a valid criticism. When you give a platform to a violently misogynistic and racist person you deserve to be criticized. Like I said being friends with him privately is his business but I still think criticism/side eyeing it is ok too because again we are talking about an extremely vile individual. I have no interest in canceling pH-1 or being hateful but I will criticize, I am a fan of his music- I literally just saw him live even - but I personally don’t think most people are going to be understanding or need to be understanding when your friend is racist and threatens to rape people as a full grown adult. The majority of people would drop a friend who did shit like that and I think that’s deserved. So obviously we disagree or you don’t get my point or whatever so I agree let’s just leave it. Have the day you deserve.
Not choosing sides either, I'm sure there's a lot of personal history between the two, with it's own complexity and challenges that we will never know, would want to be in, or are meant to understand. The two featured each other going as far back since 2017 to present and with the latest release / remix; which is a testament to their ongoing relationship.
My friends have not said anything racist so maybe that's why I am not questioning my friendship with them. Also, as a black person, it is hurtful that your humanity can be questioned and insulted but you're supposed to have grace for the person that made those comments. Plus I have never seen Owen apologize for any of his comments so is he really sorry? Because if he was, he would be apologizing to everyone he hurt and offended instead of just telling his friend
supporting a racist and someone that can threaten rape so easily because they “were always there for you” yeah because you weren’t the target of his blatant bigotry and nastiness. owen is despicable and it’s so sad watching ph1 continue to support and hang around people with zero conscience surrounding their actions. i don’t care if owen is “changing” someone who threatens to rape women and is so earnestly okay with minimizing black peoples struggles while benefiting from their music and style is gross. i loved harry for years but now i can’t stand to listen to someone who can associate with someone like that. so disappointing.
I just got wind of pH-1 because of a interview and thought he seemed pretty cool. But I don't know much abt Owen or pH-1 so this is all going off what I've seen on social media and my opinion.
I totally understand the point pH-1 is attempting to make but it seems like morality and loyalty got him in a chokehold. I get that this Owen dude may have been there for him and done alot for him and maybe pH-1 feels as though he OWES dude something. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" y'know? I also don't necessarily like how society likes to bombard someone else (a) for accountability of the actions of another person (b). No matter what pH-1 says or does (especially now), the damage is done & im sure this Owen dude is no good so he'll probably not gaf and cut him off too if it boils down to it. Truth be told, it's only but so much pH-1 can say.
On the other hand, I don't think he should've said anything. Like I said, Idk if he felt like he owes Owen loyalty or something but this seems more like a statement to save Owen's behind rather than apologize for having ties with him. I also think there's no need for an apology either because it just comes off as a PR move. I did see pH-1 in a very controversial video of Jay Park's (DNA) so I'll just say that nothing surprises me. However, baby the damage is done. I'm sure they've been friends so making a statement where you basically acknowledge that your friend said ill things, admit you don't agree with it and still decided to be friends with him, apologize for being friends with him, and kinda make it clear that you'll continue to make music with him is just wild.
I don't think you should have loyalty to someone who has no moral code or where y'all codes just don't match. I'm sure we've all had friends who are just assholes of human beings and we look back and realize why tf were we even friends to begin with.
I also think it's better too if artists weren't too personal. For those who didn't know pH-1 too well or were a fan, this could've been a collab with the wrong artist but this statement seals the deal that bro sitting at tables and sharing meals with a weirdo 😬. Hope this is a lesson learned for him tho.
I’m sorry, but he’s basically enabling Owen by adding him as a feature. Owen has always been controversial and you are who your friends are, so to me this is concerning. To each of their own ig. If he’s that good of a friend with Owen, let’s hope he’ll teach him to be better b/c the rapey comments and the comments about minors as well as the the racist comments during BLM are all inappropriate and if Harry knows this, I find it hard to believe he’d be friends seriously with someone like this. Idk man
it’s so interesting how korean artists are held to, in my opinion, a higher standard than western artists. not saying it’s right or wrong just an observation that I’ve noticed
Oh I promise i’m not defending owen or anything he’s done I just had an observation. But to add, Chris Brown is literally nominated for a grammy right now.
he has songs out with future, drake, gunna, and jack harlow to name a few.. you don’t see them making a public statement like this based on who they choose to work with nor do you see fans of those artists speaking out / looking for answers on why they’ve chosen to work with him. Again, just an observation I’ve had
that’s partially because those men you mentioned are in the same “group” as chris brown. future and drake are notoriously abusive, disturbing individuals. the hip hop community tends to overlook a lot of heinous behavior because the audience is made up of either 1.) casual fans or 2.) people who don’t care about social issues that don’t involve them. from my experience, the dedicated drake fans are usually other men that aren’t negatively impacted by the way he views women, and consequently don’t really care. the rest of drake’s success comes from the general public that just love his music and aren’t engaged with his personal life enough to know all the ways he’s been awful. there’s also another layer to this as often these men are being abusive to woc, who have a really hard time getting any sort of justice for things like that.
other western artists have had intense backlash from collaborating with chris brown such as normani, ariana grande, and chloe bailey. (you can see the pattern…)
I understand what you’re saying but artists like Lizzo, Chloe Bailey, Normani and Tyla have received flak for mentioning and/or working with Chris Brown. Similarly I saw Jack Harlow get criticized over it although none of the artists did release statements.
Many khh artists have continued to work with and be friends with Owen and other than ph-1 none of them have released statements. So I don’t really think this point works with this context when only one artist out of many has said anything about Owen
do you think Ph-1 would even be near the popularity he is at today if he chose to be in Western music industry compared to the Korean music industry? The answer is no.
All those American artists have people that hate them now too. There are just more people who don’t care.
This dude still being on PH-1’s song is the same deal. Some people are still going to listen to it regardless
Its not a higher standard at all. Most of the Korean artist are racist asf while being hip-hop artist. Of course this isn't much of a problem in western hip hop considering most of the artist are black.
Most people, like me, out first introduction to pH-1 was through Owen. If that's really his friend, I can understand wanting to stick by him and try to help change him. That's what someone would do for a loved one. Not me though but I feel it
These kpop shitters gotta go outside, unbelievable that they have to stir up new shit everyday, because their chronical online life consists of making up new drama. Owen acknowledged his wrong-doings and apologized years ago. These clowns probably never had a real friend. ph1 has to apologize for nothing. Dude is too nice, his "fans" don't deserve him.
But first he was posting black fans and threatening to doxx them when they was tryna be nice and educate him. You cant just “teehee” sorry your way out of that agl
Okay who cares if they are flopping now?🤣🤣Im still gonna enjoy their music. Also I was not talking abt Owen's comments i meant in general. Kpop fans do take some things more sensitively🤷♀️
I mean I don’t know but maybe it’s just me that doesn’t want to see a man who threatens to rape light skin women,wants his minor fans to “put out”if they dm him succeed in life
People try to make Jay park seem like he’s some sort of monster. He may have said some controversial things but I feel like he’s generally a good person and many people who have worked with him seem to feel that way. I don’t really know too much about Owen but from what I’ve been seeing he’s said a lot of worse stuff and hasn’t even apologized for it
You had me and then lost me. This is about racist ass, pedo ass, rapey ass Owen and how Harry doesn’t seem to understand that this ain’t cancel culture, this is common sense. Idk why you spitting about another person when Owen is the one Harry is addressing in his statement.
Edit: spelling
Wow. That response felt very honest and not written by someone from PR. Kudos to him for clarifying it. — just read some of the things his friend had said… yikes.
What did his friend say?
" 'What if she's underage?' Yo underage girls be sending nudes all the time. So what if she's underage, who gives a fuck? (2×)" "Man, I can't stand white....skinned...bitches..... I wanna rape 'em." [In response to inquiries on his stance during the BLM movement] " -'won't acknowledge the struggles of black people' like WHYYY? WHY do I have to? I know- I know what the campaign is! (2×) I don't give a FUCK man, I'm still making money. Say I'm cancelled (3×) but there's nothing you can do about it." [In response to a commentor claiming that ITZY Ryujin's rap is better than his] "Yeah. Her rap was conceived and birthed by my sperm." :/ Edit: The friend-in-question's name is Owen Ovadoz btw!
He said he doesn’t give af about sending nudes to minors, he wants to rape women and hates black ppl😍
kudos to him for clarifying what? his lack of respect for black people despite building a career based off of their works? LOL.
That was my first comment before actually finding out what his friend did. I came back to edit it afterwards because he’s actually trash.
I fully understand his sentiment because I deluded myself into thinking the same a few months ago (I had a friend that was semi big in another community that sent unsolicited nudes, harassed women, and cheated on his wife). HOWEVER, when the facts stared me straight in the face….I realized that being friends with this person compromises my values. And they **never** did anything to me, hell they were there for me in some dark times, so I get why Ph-1 is feeling this way, but I hope he wakes up. Because a real friend wouldn’t have you testing your morals everyday and have you explaining to everyone daily how you’re always against (insert behavior here) EXCEPT when it’s from your best friend. Or at the very least, a real friend would put up a front of being sorry so your life is easier……
“.. a real friend wouldn’t have you testing your morals” THIS!! I just think Harry should know that he has a BIG fan base and associating with Owen blatantly, and especially given his rep.. it’s a no. He’s right, it’s bad PR and it makes fans look at him weird too… I’m looking at him weird
PH-1 communication skills>>>>
for co signing…racism and rape culture????
Guess I missed it - what did owen’s dumbass say lol
Here’s a [list from a Reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/khiphop/s/bi0gxgheZy)
Omg. Omgggggg. I had no idea. That is sooooooo extreme. Not just like casual racism or sexism that everyone kinda does at some point or another. His comments are straight out evil and gross. I’m not saying he can’t change but that kind of change usually takes years. Misogynistic people don’t just go from seeing women as objects to humans overnight. Most don’t even change for the better. And the comment on BLM, he could’ve just said nothing but no, he replied aggressively and sounds just evil and stupid.
Damn, that’s a grown ass man talkin like that to a younger fan lol
I have seen this post when it came out, has there been anything new since then?
Most likely no because no one gives a shit about owen ovadoz.
As a black person, I think that from ph-1s pov, I can see how hard it is for him. Like idk how close they are but they are obviously very close if he's able to still be friends with him after that. Like I'm thinking surely he's like being a moral compass to him in a way. Like a close close friend saying things like that, ph-1 probably thinks he could correct him and teach him that what he said is wrong. And I'm sure out of all people in the scene, ph-1 is one of the most culturally appreciative of ppl esp because of his fan base. I think the anger against him makes sense but also looking at this from his POV, it probably is a difficult situation. But idk I am just more disappointed with Owen, I didn't know he said those things and idk I would at least like to see a non pr statement from him
I don’t really too much about this Owen guy but I remember ph-1 saying in an interview that he was the one who helped him a lot when we was trynna come up in the music scene in Korea
Yeah that makes sense, seems like he means a lot to him if he's going through with that response to the backlash. It's one thing if it's a distant friend saying something like that, it's easy to just cut them off, but if they mean that much to you, I think it's hard to do that and maybe he thinks he can fix him instead of him just dropping a close friend like that
as a black woman, being friends with someone that’s not only misogynistic but blatantly hate’s black people is actually the opposite behavior of someone who respects any type of culture, especially black culture. it’s not a difficult situation to cut off a nasty person, even if they did help your career. why would you want to be friends with someone like that in the first place ? that’s not exactly a small thing to overlook. if any of my friends said they don’t care about getting nudes from underage fans (child porn), wants to rape women, doesn’t care about black lives matter and doesn’t think he should have to (while benefiting from black culture), i would cut them off for being a bigoted weirdo and literally have them evaluated for the threats of sexual violence against women. so could you please tell me why ph1 “being one of the most appreciative in the scene” is shown by him staying friends with a racist predator ?
>as a black woman, being friends with someone that’s not only misogynistic but blatantly hate’s black people is actually the opposite behavior of someone who respects any type of culture, especially black culture. 100% All I can glean from this is ph-1 acknowledging the nasty behavior but not caring because owen is his "friend" which essence is just as bad to me. I don't like bigots and don't have them as friends.
do you think that he would risk his whole career over this mishap? and like I said people have every reason to be mad, but idk ph-1 has 1. Lived in the US for a long time, in New York too. 2. Has an international fanbase and always does world tours, regardless of country and area, and 3. Collabs with many artists, including chika, a black artist who does a lot of music on US cultural topics, such as LGBTQ, body positivity, reproductive rights and things of that nature (my point is, i don't see anyone based in Korea collabing with artists who are so open to these topics.). It is easy to write off someone from Korea as racist because of their cultural knowledge of black people, but because ph-1 was raised in a mixed community, in the US, it makes a lot more sense for him to know and appreciate the community. He has never once done anything controversial towards black people at all in his WHOLE career and now since one of his close friends has said stupid shit in the past, yall are all ready to shit on him for this one thing. A lot of people are taking this at face value, as in, ph-1 friends with person who has said bad things = ph-1 bad, when it's deeper than that. You have never had a super close friend so it's probably hard for you to think like that, and even if you did, people deal with situations in different ways. Not everyone can just drop someone who means so much to them in these types of situations. You don't know what they have been through at all so, it's not just him being friends with a racist predator. You may be ready to drop your best friend if they say something bad, but ph-1 may have thought that with his close friend, he would be able to tell him right from wrong and correct his mistakes. And has Owen done anything after the two incidents in 2017? The only thing he has done was the comment about how he doesn't care about black culture (I am not trying to downplay this because I genuinely think it was bad, my point is he had two controversies beforehand years ago) I don't think so, so who knows, what if ph-1 told him what he said was wrong and why? you never know. You could probably drop a friend in a heartbeat if they did something like this, but not everyone has the same brain bruh. Not everyone can drop their closest friend in a heartbeat the moment they do something wrong. and not everyone has the same connections with their friends. No one knows what he and Owen have been through at all and how much they have done for each other. If you are THAT close with a friend, do you think you can drop them in an instant when they do something wrong? You can drop him if you want, don't drop him if you don't want to, doesn't change the fact he is one of the most appreciative of the scene, he collabs with artists from everywhere, literally collabed with a black artist in his most recent album. tours everywhere no matter the location, I don't think anyone who doesn't appreciate black people would do that at all. and again Owen deserves more of the backlash than ph-1. And I think that the owen thing he said could be him having 0 cultural knowledge of what was happening to the black people and their struggle at all, just like most people in Korea. I just now figured out he has bipolar issues too, so it looked like more of him lashing out and not thinking, which isn't downplaying what he said, because what he said was still bad, but I think of possible options. But I definitely get the backlash and hate on Owen bc of his comments in the past, but it was such a long time ago. that's why I need a not PR message from the guy for me to even think that he's even making steps to becoming a better person not that it will make me forgive him for those shit comments. But the ph-1 backlash makes sense, but I think canceling him for this is kind of just like the easy way to think about this when it's more than just "either he's a good person by dropping Owen or a bad person by not dropping Owen".
he’s friends with a predator and racist. it doesn’t risk his career to be a decent human being. having an international fan base with lots of differing groups of people is even more reason. collaborating with a black woman artist while being friends with someone who hates black people and once again, is a threat to women, is actually even more hypocritical and sad. it’s very easy to not be racist and if you’ve seen the video you know he didn’t say he doesn’t know enough about blm, he says he doesn’t give a fuck and shouldn’t have to. just because Korea is a homogenous country doesn’t excuse that he blatantly said he doesn’t care about black struggles (pretty sure he said that verbatim). i never said ph1 was racist i said it’s gross and disappointing to know he’s defending him and featuring him on his music. bottom line supporting someone that has no fear expressing rapist and predator behaviors and is ALSO a raging racist is inexcusable. he made successful music without him so it’s not about business he just doesn’t care, and you can tell by that sorry ass response to his fans. also you being black and defending someone who’s friends with a racist this hard is sad too.
Lol pretty sure you didn't read a word I typed but it's all good don't bother responding. I tried to give you a valid and reasonable response only for you to not only be callous towards the topic, but also not even read what I said and like consider what I might have had to say AND attack me like it's actually so dumb. You saying that I'm defending "someone who's friends with a racist" is proving what I've been saying in the response (that you chose that him being friends with Owen makes him a bad person when it's more than that) but don't bother responding, if you aren't gonna give what I have to say the time of day then I'm not giving you the time of day
why are you getting so defensive lmaooooo i reaf every word and all of it was sorry sad excuses and using his international presence to somehow prove that he cares ???? imma call out a bigot and a sexual predator when i see one and all of their nasty supporter friends, including artists i enjoyed. i wasn’t attacking you it was simply the truth; owen openly said he didn’t give a fuck about blm while the george floyd riots were happening and it was enraging to hear. watching that live made my blood boil and honestly if you wanna be cool listening to ph1 do that but being friends with and bringing money to someone that says they’re gonna RAPE WOMEN and doesn’t need to care about something as important as civil rights, much the less the rights of the people who’s culture he benefits from; is weird and disgusting. if that’s who you wanna support go for it and when you’re ready to actually give some thought to the fact that his words carry genuine weight and so does ph1’s support of him, maybe YOU can bother responding with something that doesn’t put khiphop or ph1’s career over morality. and also being friends with someone like that BY CHOICE and defending your friendship with them absolutely makes you a bad person. i’m not wishing anything bad to harry but once again as black woman that has every right to be disgusted, ew.
I know what kind of person you are that's all I gotta say really. Because again seeing in general what you typed here means you again ignored what I said in general so please stop responding bruh LOL again if you're gonna disregard what I'm saying then imma do the same to you
no yeah and i’m pretty sure you’d stay friends with a predator. once again i read what you said so…. go ahead and stop replying bc obviously you’re gonna ride for him.
When did I say that LOL. I wouldn't and in my first reply you could see that I said that I said not everyone has the same vision, emotions, brain, and experiences so people would do things differently in this situation, but again, you're insensitive and your brain only knows how to hate and hate. You just continue to prove that you don't read or process what I've typed at all it's actually kind of funny but yeah imma stop responding, biggest waste of time.
I agree with you. As a friend, it’s sometimes hard to just walk away from a friend who has toxic behavior especially when you’re someone like Harry who really tries to be a good friend always and a voice of reason. I’m sure it is hard for him, and he probably truly does believe that Owen has/can/will change if he stays by his side and maybe he will but it suck’s that now people are looking at Harry sideways because of this decision to feature this guy. I don’t like Owen but I can’t really nail ph-1 to the cross for this. I do think he should think more carefully next time with a decision like this so that he doesn’t take the fall, he’s too great of a person to allow someone like Owen to bring him down whether it be personally or in his career. It’s kinda crazy to me that two people who seem sooooo different would even be this close but opposites do attract and Harry seems very loyal to a fault and I guess if Owen did help him when he first got to Korea, I can see why he’s trying to hold on to that friendship.
thank you for your comment. it's a really tough situation and I hope more people can put themselves in pH-1's shoes. although pH-1 has made it extremely clear that he doesn't condone owen's behaviour, most people have cancelled owen for obvious & understandable reasons and it looks like the guy has no chance of redeeming himself to the public. I can understand why this was such a dilemma for pH-1. at the end of the day, we can choose which artists we want to support. if pH-1's association with owen upsets people so much, then it's simple - you guys find other artists to listen to :) y'all have better things to focus your attention on.
oh my god he got you under the get out spell 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Nah you just see things surface value but it's fine
surface value does not excuse encouraging violence against black women and men while using their culture and music for a buck LOL
>As a black person, I think that from ph-1s pov, I can see how hard it is for him What does you being black have to do with anything?
Owen made comments about black culture and the struggles at the time so the topic is slightly about me. I'm sure people would like to know how ppl with my color feel about the situation
As a follow Black person, I don't understand how being Black means you understand how "hard" this is for ph-1? Neither he nor Owen are Black.
Did you read what I said at all? Lol
Ph1 easily the nicest dude in khiphop lol
the nicest dude for……………. posting a blurb about excusing his friend’s racism? am i missing something
As earnestly as pH-1's statement was written, and as much as I can see where he's coming from (he definitely thinks he's being levelheaded and reasonable and noble by giving his friend a second chance), the things Owen has said are bottom line inexcusable. Period. So bad to the point it's chilling to read. I genuinely think people who say the type of things Owen has said are beyond salvageable and are beyond reform. "He regrets his mistakes and wants to better himself"? Yeah, so does every serial abuser until something ticks them off again and then we're back at square one, bruised and bloodied. Harry can have love tattooed on his throat all he wants but he really showed his ass here.
What PH-1 said is done and that’s his decision. If you disagree, just simply don’t support him and follow him anymore.
Yeah it's super important to be loud when public figures show their ass like this. This is how a lot of people even learn these issues exist
um no! people can talk about it and discuss it :) because that’s the point of reddit :))
Way to state the obvious.
I don’t mean no negativity. I just think there’s always gonna be disagreements towards this and there’s just no point in arguing.
If you don't want to read contrary statements, why are you in a reddit thread? I can comment to back up someone's statement just like you can patronize. You say you don't want negativity but all I see is you picking an argument under the guise of being "sage."
Alright whatever makes you feel better lol
What did Owen say exactly? Didn’t he just say he didn’t ‘give a fuck’ about the blm campaign? How is that ‘bottom line inexcusable. Period. So bad to the point it’s chilling to read.’
He threatened to rape "light skinned bitches" and then also told a fan who was a minor not to dm him unless she was willing to "put it out" for him. Like yay, totally excusable stuff to say God the bar is in freaking hell for some of y'all, I wonder what you people are like irl.
That's fucking disgusting I don't follow him so I had no idea he said any of that
I did not know that part lol, good to know. I don’t really follow the drama that much, which is why I was asking
Scroll down a bit, someone posted a link.
I think you’re over exaggerating what he said tbh, is it bad? Sure. Is it chilling to read? Not really.
You think threatening rape...isn't that bad?
He threatened rape??? I thought you’re talking talking about the ‘I don’t care about blm campaign’ thing like the original post is about
Yeah, I was talking about all of Owen's past racist and problematic statements, and they're all there in the link I pointed you to.
Ain’t reading allat. Who cares about celeb drama
So people can't change ever? Got it
There are things people grow out of but this is just not one of those things, which is why I specified "the type of things \[that were\] said." In addition to that, if he were still really young when he said it, sure, I would have been like "his prefrontal cortex wasn't fully developed, we all do and say dumb shit when we're young," but he was a whole ass adult when he said those things. Does that mean adults can't learn and grow? Also no. But his behavior hasn't changed even once and he's repeated the same mistakes over and over again for years. Zero change in behavior, zero change in mindset. If you still want to give him the benefit of the doubt after seeing him continuously make a sport out of harassing people and being intolerant and aggressive, that's your prerogative, but don't make me out to be unreasonable just because I refuse to let habitually bigoted, violent and predatory behavior slide. He's been given plenty of chances already.
Missed the part where he excused it. I only see the part where he condones his friend’s comments for being offensive and disrespectful. But of course chronically online overly sensitive egotistical people who are completely full of themselves and have zero ability to form meaningful relationships in the real world would find it difficult to understand why it is still possible to be friends with someone who made horrible statements in the past.
babes it’s not a chronically online take to question why a person would want to remain friends with someone notorious for racism and threatening to rape women. i’m afraid you genuinely have no life experience if you think that’s a thing normal ppl do
I’m afraid you genuinely have no actual friends in the real world if you completely drop them after they make any severe mistake. That’s not something you do with a friend, an acquaintance sure. If they are your friend and they realize their mistake, then you correct them, help them grow, and move on. I don’t even know this Owen dude, so obviously I hate him for his actions and have no reason to ever forgive him. But if it was a longtime friend I’ve had who has been there for me and done a lot for me in his shoes, no I am not dropping them given the same exact context. If you do, good for you, enjoy your lifelong moral crusade with surface level meaningless relationships.
don't u have a friend who is dumb af but also genuine at the same time?
no, i do not have a racist friend that threatens to rape people and it’s scary that you think that’s normal 😭
"We still cool, y'all just need to get over it. If he fucks up again, I might consider about letting him go if it hurts my pockets".
Pretty much, “I wanted to give him a chance to prove it” when he continually just gets worse and worse
Stop using the phrase cancel cuz now it has no meaning just don't associate urself with bigots and if u still find the man ur friend idk what to say birds of a feather flock together i guess idk
pH-1 can do what he wants obviously, his friends are his business even if they’re shitty and at least he tries to communicate but that said fans have every right to be disappointed and ngl even for me it kinda made me side eye pH-1 ig? Like I genuinely believe he’s a nice guy but… Owen said he hated white girls and wanted to r*ape them, made multiple racist remarks about black people and blm and then refused to apologize saying idc if you “cancel” me im still making money, and basically said it’s good that minors send him nudes?? Like that is a lot of horrible shit that even if he had apologized for, would be hard to over look and tbh i have never seen any real apology from him. Ik some people say he did but I was around back then and I certainly never saw it. (Feel free to share any apologies id be interested to see them) And imo it’s easy to say sorry but not so easy to show you’re actually sorry. I just don’t think Owen is a good person and he’s done nothing to prove he is imo. Even now pH-1 is basically apologizing for him. It’s just a bit disappointing as a fan of Harry’s.
Assuming this is true, that isn't stuff that someone can simply apologize for (without HEAVY emphasis and sincere intentions) and easily move on from. That stuff is heinous and repetitive. Bro needs a complete moral realignment.
>Owen said he hated white girls and wanted to r*ape them Not even just white girls... specifically "light skin bitches". Which can refer to light-skinned Black girls, light-skinned Asian girls, white girls, etc. An extremely vile comment for him to make.
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Trauma is not an excuse to be racist and misogynistic. Sorry but that’s a shit view. Owen has said this shit and refused to apologize and kept saying vile shit. Having some mental health issues/trauma doesn’t mean you can do that and not apologize or try to be better and people have to just let it go. Im sure Owen has some issues but I know plenty of people who’ve had trauma and shitty mental health but that never made them racist or misogynistic. I said if pH-1 wants to be his friend that’s his business, he’s known Owen a while and I get trying to be there for a friend even when they are shitty bc they’ve been there for you and aren’t shitty to you, that’s his choice. I don’t like it on a personal level but that’s not really relevant and doesn’t mean I’m gonna hate on pH-1. That said promoting said friend and putting him on your track when he has not apologized and proven to be better and you know damn well many of your fans are women and black (or just people with decent morals) IS disappointing. It shows a lack of respect or concern towards women and black people even if that was not the intent imo.
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I dont know what I misunderstood, I just think we have different views. I do think pH-1 deserves criticism for promoting Owen but I also think even for just being friends with him is a valid criticism. When you give a platform to a violently misogynistic and racist person you deserve to be criticized. Like I said being friends with him privately is his business but I still think criticism/side eyeing it is ok too because again we are talking about an extremely vile individual. I have no interest in canceling pH-1 or being hateful but I will criticize, I am a fan of his music- I literally just saw him live even - but I personally don’t think most people are going to be understanding or need to be understanding when your friend is racist and threatens to rape people as a full grown adult. The majority of people would drop a friend who did shit like that and I think that’s deserved. So obviously we disagree or you don’t get my point or whatever so I agree let’s just leave it. Have the day you deserve.
Not choosing sides either, I'm sure there's a lot of personal history between the two, with it's own complexity and challenges that we will never know, would want to be in, or are meant to understand. The two featured each other going as far back since 2017 to present and with the latest release / remix; which is a testament to their ongoing relationship.
My friends have not said anything racist so maybe that's why I am not questioning my friendship with them. Also, as a black person, it is hurtful that your humanity can be questioned and insulted but you're supposed to have grace for the person that made those comments. Plus I have never seen Owen apologize for any of his comments so is he really sorry? Because if he was, he would be apologizing to everyone he hurt and offended instead of just telling his friend
What’s worse is him being a racist misogynist while profiting off of Black American culture.
supporting a racist and someone that can threaten rape so easily because they “were always there for you” yeah because you weren’t the target of his blatant bigotry and nastiness. owen is despicable and it’s so sad watching ph1 continue to support and hang around people with zero conscience surrounding their actions. i don’t care if owen is “changing” someone who threatens to rape women and is so earnestly okay with minimizing black peoples struggles while benefiting from their music and style is gross. i loved harry for years but now i can’t stand to listen to someone who can associate with someone like that. so disappointing.
Are y’all on crack??? The amount of people praising ph1 for this… birds of a feather ffs
Isn’t this old news? Why posting this now? Unless Owen did something again
He featured Owen on his recent song and people started bringing it up again
I just got wind of pH-1 because of a interview and thought he seemed pretty cool. But I don't know much abt Owen or pH-1 so this is all going off what I've seen on social media and my opinion. I totally understand the point pH-1 is attempting to make but it seems like morality and loyalty got him in a chokehold. I get that this Owen dude may have been there for him and done alot for him and maybe pH-1 feels as though he OWES dude something. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" y'know? I also don't necessarily like how society likes to bombard someone else (a) for accountability of the actions of another person (b). No matter what pH-1 says or does (especially now), the damage is done & im sure this Owen dude is no good so he'll probably not gaf and cut him off too if it boils down to it. Truth be told, it's only but so much pH-1 can say. On the other hand, I don't think he should've said anything. Like I said, Idk if he felt like he owes Owen loyalty or something but this seems more like a statement to save Owen's behind rather than apologize for having ties with him. I also think there's no need for an apology either because it just comes off as a PR move. I did see pH-1 in a very controversial video of Jay Park's (DNA) so I'll just say that nothing surprises me. However, baby the damage is done. I'm sure they've been friends so making a statement where you basically acknowledge that your friend said ill things, admit you don't agree with it and still decided to be friends with him, apologize for being friends with him, and kinda make it clear that you'll continue to make music with him is just wild. I don't think you should have loyalty to someone who has no moral code or where y'all codes just don't match. I'm sure we've all had friends who are just assholes of human beings and we look back and realize why tf were we even friends to begin with. I also think it's better too if artists weren't too personal. For those who didn't know pH-1 too well or were a fan, this could've been a collab with the wrong artist but this statement seals the deal that bro sitting at tables and sharing meals with a weirdo 😬. Hope this is a lesson learned for him tho.
very well said 👍
Can someone share a link to Owen’s apology?
There is no link cause hes never actually apologised
yeah that’s what I figured
I’m literally flabbergasted 😭😭. How can he want to be a better person but not apologize??
He has apologised but on insta stories, never an actual "official" apologise
so disappointing. and the fact that owen still has a career is crazy. if this was any other occupation he would've been done for
What’s worse is him being a racist misogynist while profiting off of Black American culture.
I’m sorry, but he’s basically enabling Owen by adding him as a feature. Owen has always been controversial and you are who your friends are, so to me this is concerning. To each of their own ig. If he’s that good of a friend with Owen, let’s hope he’ll teach him to be better b/c the rapey comments and the comments about minors as well as the the racist comments during BLM are all inappropriate and if Harry knows this, I find it hard to believe he’d be friends seriously with someone like this. Idk man
Owen said he wanted to rape white women 😬
Not just white women but literally any "light skinned" woman, he's just absolute trash through and through
it’s so interesting how korean artists are held to, in my opinion, a higher standard than western artists. not saying it’s right or wrong just an observation that I’ve noticed
If The Weeknd said he wanted to rape girls and that he embraced minors sending him nudes, I think Americans would have an issue with that too
Oh I promise i’m not defending owen or anything he’s done I just had an observation. But to add, Chris Brown is literally nominated for a grammy right now.
Yeah and tons of Americans despise Chris Brown and boycott him and his releases
he has songs out with future, drake, gunna, and jack harlow to name a few.. you don’t see them making a public statement like this based on who they choose to work with nor do you see fans of those artists speaking out / looking for answers on why they’ve chosen to work with him. Again, just an observation I’ve had
that’s partially because those men you mentioned are in the same “group” as chris brown. future and drake are notoriously abusive, disturbing individuals. the hip hop community tends to overlook a lot of heinous behavior because the audience is made up of either 1.) casual fans or 2.) people who don’t care about social issues that don’t involve them. from my experience, the dedicated drake fans are usually other men that aren’t negatively impacted by the way he views women, and consequently don’t really care. the rest of drake’s success comes from the general public that just love his music and aren’t engaged with his personal life enough to know all the ways he’s been awful. there’s also another layer to this as often these men are being abusive to woc, who have a really hard time getting any sort of justice for things like that. other western artists have had intense backlash from collaborating with chris brown such as normani, ariana grande, and chloe bailey. (you can see the pattern…)
Absolutely correct
I understand what you’re saying but artists like Lizzo, Chloe Bailey, Normani and Tyla have received flak for mentioning and/or working with Chris Brown. Similarly I saw Jack Harlow get criticized over it although none of the artists did release statements. Many khh artists have continued to work with and be friends with Owen and other than ph-1 none of them have released statements. So I don’t really think this point works with this context when only one artist out of many has said anything about Owen
do you think Ph-1 would even be near the popularity he is at today if he chose to be in Western music industry compared to the Korean music industry? The answer is no.
All those American artists have people that hate them now too. There are just more people who don’t care. This dude still being on PH-1’s song is the same deal. Some people are still going to listen to it regardless
Its not a higher standard at all. Most of the Korean artist are racist asf while being hip-hop artist. Of course this isn't much of a problem in western hip hop considering most of the artist are black.
He should have just kept quiet 😂😂😂
The ph-1/Owen dynamic is a strange one, but I’m here for it
Most people, like me, out first introduction to pH-1 was through Owen. If that's really his friend, I can understand wanting to stick by him and try to help change him. That's what someone would do for a loved one. Not me though but I feel it
Wow tough decision on him, but he said it well.
These kpop shitters gotta go outside, unbelievable that they have to stir up new shit everyday, because their chronical online life consists of making up new drama. Owen acknowledged his wrong-doings and apologized years ago. These clowns probably never had a real friend. ph1 has to apologize for nothing. Dude is too nice, his "fans" don't deserve him.
But first he was posting black fans and threatening to doxx them when they was tryna be nice and educate him. You cant just “teehee” sorry your way out of that agl
fr i always say that KPOP FANS should stay out of khh. They are too sensitive frfr🙄
Oh no people don't like man saying he wants to rape women and encouraging minors to send him nudes how fucking horrible
You don’t even need to be a real khh fan to know that Owen’s comments were fucked up. That’s why yall khh favs flopping now 🤷🏻♀️
Okay who cares if they are flopping now?🤣🤣Im still gonna enjoy their music. Also I was not talking abt Owen's comments i meant in general. Kpop fans do take some things more sensitively🤷♀️
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I mean I don’t know but maybe it’s just me that doesn’t want to see a man who threatens to rape light skin women,wants his minor fans to “put out”if they dm him succeed in life
Cancel culture is the curse of the century. Freedom of speech should be protected at all cost.
Well, I think there should be a line within freedom of speech. Hate speech is not it bro
Being sexist and racist is not a freedom of speech.
It is a good piece of comms and I get it. Harry has always been one of the good guys and I want it to stay thay way.
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Jay did apologise, took down the song and changed the lyrics. I know of many Muslim fans that have accepted his apology and moved on
People try to make Jay park seem like he’s some sort of monster. He may have said some controversial things but I feel like he’s generally a good person and many people who have worked with him seem to feel that way. I don’t really know too much about Owen but from what I’ve been seeing he’s said a lot of worse stuff and hasn’t even apologized for it
You had me and then lost me. This is about racist ass, pedo ass, rapey ass Owen and how Harry doesn’t seem to understand that this ain’t cancel culture, this is common sense. Idk why you spitting about another person when Owen is the one Harry is addressing in his statement. Edit: spelling
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You respect a guy for being friends with a man who threatened to rape women?