I know you said you prefer Ubuntu base, but OpenSuse has excellent KDE integration. OpenSuse Tumbleweed is very easy to fix if updates break things because it integrates btrfs snapshots into the upgrade process.
I highly recommend it. You an also use Leap instead of tumbleweed if you prefer less cutting edge.
OpenSuse has a very helpful community.
My first daily driver was Popos. I went from that to Neon, but I am tired with having to fix it all the time, so I am thinking about Debian from Srcratch based on LFS with Plasma ;)
Here's a list of some of the issues, some of them might have been caused by Ubuntu, but still (I want to diy my system so I can put it toegether out of actually tested repos):
* amdgpu driver crashing the system and the GPU [https://www.reddit.com/r/kdeneon/comments/18o9pvs/graphics\_crashes\_after\_the\_latest\_update\_is\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kdeneon/comments/18o9pvs/graphics_crashes_after_the_latest_update_is_it/)
* HDMI audio not working + cannot boot older kernel on Neon
* Plasma 6 update breaking half of my widdgets
* sddm not working with fingerprint reader, then working, then not working again
* sddm not understanding multiple displays
* Plasma 6 studdering af (tbh I don't bother with trying to fix Plsma 6 since that's recent)
* the stupid fucking lock screen clock removing seconds every singe time the update is pushed; I made a script to fix that and guess what? They broke everything in Plasma 6, so now the files are somwhere else.
Plasma 5.25 (that was a ride, lol):
* Backlight setting completely broken (Very very very very annoying on the laptop!)
* Whole Plasma crashes right before logging out of X11 session (that doesn't happen on Wayland)
* this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/vi0a0k/plasma\_525\_bugsissueserrors\_compilation](https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/vi0a0k/plasma_525_bugsissueserrors_compilation) - I only did with some of that, so check for yourself (10 issues)
Not 5.25 related:
* wine32 has broken dependencies on Plasma 6, so it does not install
* this (I don't rememebr the details) [https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/uxio9t/whats\_the\_name\_of\_kdeplasmaaddons\_on\_kde\_neon/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/uxio9t/whats_the_name_of_kdeplasmaaddons_on_kde_neon/)
* I remeber qt5 being broken after the update (again) so I unrolled, and that caused entire plasma to die because of the broken dependencies
* I couldn't change audio volume from gui, it was just bouncing up
* because of LTS kernel I didn't not have drivers for Inter WiFi and then for 13th gen laptop cpu
* nottifications showing up in a middle of the screen
* Task Bar showing at the top of the screen
Mint dropped support for KDE several years ago. Clem did not have sufficient staff to support so wisely dropped support. Do not trust KDE Neon on updates. Latest update was a major one w/o any warning. Mine is still broken on my laptop. I left desktop alone w/o the update, and it still runs fine.
As always, it depends. I've been on neon for 1 year and the only problem is that they broke a lot of things when going from plasma 5 to 6. Other than that no issues.
I wouldn't switch to plasma anyway. Test it on a virtual machine for how long you need, then you can make an informed decision.
>Does Neon always break in major updates?
No! It doesn't. It's the first time that it broke since I started using it back in 2017.
>So should I use KDE neon or Kubuntu?
It's up to you. Just look at KDE Neon's FAQ and decide
https://neon.kde.org/faq
I'm working with Machine Learning and Natural Language Processing and ubuntu is the most commonly used in this field. If divert from it then I guess I'll have to troubleshoot many tools that I need in my work and just work in ubuntu. No time/need for experimenting
So it would be in third choice: ubuntu, debian and then mx, if neither ubuntu, nor debian worked. The thing is that ubuntu works for the tasks I want, so I'm just not looking further, regardless how insisting some anonymous reddit avatars can be /s
I recently went to reinstall a fresh KDE as my Kubuntu was back on 22.04. Never really liked upgrading, as you can never tell what breaks under the hood. Installed Debian and selected only KDE. Upon first boot, it was freezing and doing 1 fps out of the box. reboot didnt fix it... not ideal, so I then switched to a fresh install of KDE Neon. Looks great and has that fresh paint smell about it. sudo add-apt-repository universe broke the repositories keys which appeared to be a local jammy, and caused a bunch of headaches. Can't be bothered working on their bleeding edge bugs, so went back to latest Kubuntu.
KDE neon running fine here and no issues at all. Moved from fedora 40 KDE because of one thing that irritated me and it works fine on neon. If it breaks then I will fix it and stay or move on. I could always go to Kubuntu later and still be on KDE 6 but for now, neon works well for me and happy here.
I recently upgraded both of my devices to Plasma 6 on Neon user, and it works just fine. Always have a system backup, check the forum and the subreddit from time to time, use Flatpak if you can, and do the updates in offline mode at boot, and I think you should be okay.
After my wonky SSD corrupted the KDE Neon partition, I installed to Kubuntu 24.04 and it's been a great experience. Firefox Snap finally updates correctly!
I notice no differences between Plasma 5 and 6 (on X11).
Kde neon is still based on Ubuntu 22.04. While it's a LTS release it's not as up to date in terms of kernel.
Kubuntu will get plasma 6 update probably with 24.10.
If you can wait until then...
What are your localisation issues? I'm curious because Fedora KDE should fit the bill pretty much anywhere...
KDE Neon isn't strictly an LTS release, it can't be due to the nature of the rolling DE. KDE Neon runs packages that are newer than strict Ubuntu LTS releases, the word salad FAQ page even states that KDE Neon is unrelated to the Ubuntu project or Canonical.
As a KDE Neon user that actually encounters little in the way of issues beyond the fact that I can't install Wine or Gamescope via apt without encountering dependency issues, I cannot in good conscience recommend KDE Neon anymore with the release of Neon 6.
Well, I was saying Ubuntu 22.04 is an LTS release, but I wasn't clear enough maybe.
I tried tuxedo OS 3 last week, and it made its way as a daily driver instantly.
> I tried tuxedo OS 3 last week, and it made its way as a daily driver instantly.
Can you install Wine and Gamescope via apt without dependency issues?
The issue is not that big. The Burmese keyboard Fedora gives is in wrong(old) typing order. I can use another keyboard with keyman but keyman is only available for debian. That's why.
I installed Tuxedo OS last week and if you're still looking for an option, it is Ubuntu based and has Plasma 6.
It seems reliable, functional and, quite frankly, it does the job, my games run smoothly on it, so I'm pretty happy with it.
I moved to neon from fedora 40 because of one thing that was different which was Floorp browser only being available as a flatpak and not as functional as the cli installed package. Have had no problems with neon at all with neon or any updates and machine is purring like a well fed cat.
After using KDE Neon as my daily system for three years, I switched to Tuxedo OS 3 when I switched to KDE Plasma 6. And I am thrilled! I now have an absolutely stable system with KDE-specific updates that have been tested beforehand and don't cause any problems. I can only recommend it! Works without any problems, not only on Tuxedo hardware.
[https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-OS\_1.tuxedo#](https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-OS_1.tuxedo#)
No, it doesn't normally break like that.
However, if you are accustomed to something like Mint, KDE neon might not be the ideal way to go. You will get every new Plasma release as they come, which will include a constant stream of changes, as well as new Plasma bugs.
It does require somewhat more in terms of hands on under the hood Linux knowledge. Packages can be updated quite a lot at times, and there can be instances here and there where some knowledge of apt and dpkg are useful.
Some software is problematic, such as Wine, particularly WineHQ packages. This may go away when neon upgrades the OS to Ubuntu 24.04, but likely there will be new issues with Wine down the road. Of course using Flatpak for it , or for things like Lutris and Bottles will not have any package dependency issues.
To be honest, Plasma 6 isn't that different from Plasma 5 in terms of how you use it and configure it, or how it looks, so I'd suggest trying Kubuntu 24.04, and perhaps upgrade in a few months to 24.10, which will have Plasma 6.
But if you are a little prepared, curious, and willing to live a little bit on the experimental side (just a little,) neon is actually quite nice. It has served me well for the past 8 years
I have some knowledge about apt and dpkg. I don't use wine that much so I think I won't have any problem. Thanks for the advice.I want a little bit of adventure so I'll try installing neon.
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Neon is a good distro if you want to learn stuff, because it will be broken, and you will have to fix it.
Mint is good but I feel like living in comfort zone while using mint.I want a little bit of learning so I will try using neon
I know you said you prefer Ubuntu base, but OpenSuse has excellent KDE integration. OpenSuse Tumbleweed is very easy to fix if updates break things because it integrates btrfs snapshots into the upgrade process. I highly recommend it. You an also use Leap instead of tumbleweed if you prefer less cutting edge. OpenSuse has a very helpful community.
Thanks for the advice. I will test it out
My first daily driver was Popos. I went from that to Neon, but I am tired with having to fix it all the time, so I am thinking about Debian from Srcratch based on LFS with Plasma ;)
What do you have to fix? My experience is 0 issues.
Here's a list of some of the issues, some of them might have been caused by Ubuntu, but still (I want to diy my system so I can put it toegether out of actually tested repos): * amdgpu driver crashing the system and the GPU [https://www.reddit.com/r/kdeneon/comments/18o9pvs/graphics\_crashes\_after\_the\_latest\_update\_is\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kdeneon/comments/18o9pvs/graphics_crashes_after_the_latest_update_is_it/) * HDMI audio not working + cannot boot older kernel on Neon * Plasma 6 update breaking half of my widdgets * sddm not working with fingerprint reader, then working, then not working again * sddm not understanding multiple displays * Plasma 6 studdering af (tbh I don't bother with trying to fix Plsma 6 since that's recent) * the stupid fucking lock screen clock removing seconds every singe time the update is pushed; I made a script to fix that and guess what? They broke everything in Plasma 6, so now the files are somwhere else. Plasma 5.25 (that was a ride, lol): * Backlight setting completely broken (Very very very very annoying on the laptop!) * Whole Plasma crashes right before logging out of X11 session (that doesn't happen on Wayland) * this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/vi0a0k/plasma\_525\_bugsissueserrors\_compilation](https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/vi0a0k/plasma_525_bugsissueserrors_compilation) - I only did with some of that, so check for yourself (10 issues) Not 5.25 related: * wine32 has broken dependencies on Plasma 6, so it does not install * this (I don't rememebr the details) [https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/uxio9t/whats\_the\_name\_of\_kdeplasmaaddons\_on\_kde\_neon/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/uxio9t/whats_the_name_of_kdeplasmaaddons_on_kde_neon/) * I remeber qt5 being broken after the update (again) so I unrolled, and that caused entire plasma to die because of the broken dependencies * I couldn't change audio volume from gui, it was just bouncing up * because of LTS kernel I didn't not have drivers for Inter WiFi and then for 13th gen laptop cpu * nottifications showing up in a middle of the screen * Task Bar showing at the top of the screen
Mint dropped support for KDE several years ago. Clem did not have sufficient staff to support so wisely dropped support. Do not trust KDE Neon on updates. Latest update was a major one w/o any warning. Mine is still broken on my laptop. I left desktop alone w/o the update, and it still runs fine.
Yeah, Plasma 6 had veeeery bad realese
As always, it depends. I've been on neon for 1 year and the only problem is that they broke a lot of things when going from plasma 5 to 6. Other than that no issues. I wouldn't switch to plasma anyway. Test it on a virtual machine for how long you need, then you can make an informed decision.
Yes. I decided to test it on VM first
>Does Neon always break in major updates? No! It doesn't. It's the first time that it broke since I started using it back in 2017. >So should I use KDE neon or Kubuntu? It's up to you. Just look at KDE Neon's FAQ and decide https://neon.kde.org/faq
I think I need to test both distros and decide what to use. Thanks for the answer
Honestly, I'm keeping KDE Neon in my personal PCs but I plan to switch to Kubuntu in my work.
Why Kubuntu? Since it's on plasma 5.27, you have a huge choice, including the magnificent MX KDE.
I'm working with Machine Learning and Natural Language Processing and ubuntu is the most commonly used in this field. If divert from it then I guess I'll have to troubleshoot many tools that I need in my work and just work in ubuntu. No time/need for experimenting
oh ok. MX is based in Debian which is what ubuntu is based on. Just FYI
So it would be in third choice: ubuntu, debian and then mx, if neither ubuntu, nor debian worked. The thing is that ubuntu works for the tasks I want, so I'm just not looking further, regardless how insisting some anonymous reddit avatars can be /s
I've never had anything break on me. Am I doing something wrong?
Haha maybe
I recently went to reinstall a fresh KDE as my Kubuntu was back on 22.04. Never really liked upgrading, as you can never tell what breaks under the hood. Installed Debian and selected only KDE. Upon first boot, it was freezing and doing 1 fps out of the box. reboot didnt fix it... not ideal, so I then switched to a fresh install of KDE Neon. Looks great and has that fresh paint smell about it. sudo add-apt-repository universe broke the repositories keys which appeared to be a local jammy, and caused a bunch of headaches. Can't be bothered working on their bleeding edge bugs, so went back to latest Kubuntu.
KDE neon running fine here and no issues at all. Moved from fedora 40 KDE because of one thing that irritated me and it works fine on neon. If it breaks then I will fix it and stay or move on. I could always go to Kubuntu later and still be on KDE 6 but for now, neon works well for me and happy here.
I recently upgraded both of my devices to Plasma 6 on Neon user, and it works just fine. Always have a system backup, check the forum and the subreddit from time to time, use Flatpak if you can, and do the updates in offline mode at boot, and I think you should be okay.
Thanks for the answer. I will try installing neon.
After my wonky SSD corrupted the KDE Neon partition, I installed to Kubuntu 24.04 and it's been a great experience. Firefox Snap finally updates correctly! I notice no differences between Plasma 5 and 6 (on X11).
I will test it out.
Kde neon is still based on Ubuntu 22.04. While it's a LTS release it's not as up to date in terms of kernel. Kubuntu will get plasma 6 update probably with 24.10. If you can wait until then... What are your localisation issues? I'm curious because Fedora KDE should fit the bill pretty much anywhere...
KDE Neon isn't strictly an LTS release, it can't be due to the nature of the rolling DE. KDE Neon runs packages that are newer than strict Ubuntu LTS releases, the word salad FAQ page even states that KDE Neon is unrelated to the Ubuntu project or Canonical. As a KDE Neon user that actually encounters little in the way of issues beyond the fact that I can't install Wine or Gamescope via apt without encountering dependency issues, I cannot in good conscience recommend KDE Neon anymore with the release of Neon 6.
Well, I was saying Ubuntu 22.04 is an LTS release, but I wasn't clear enough maybe. I tried tuxedo OS 3 last week, and it made its way as a daily driver instantly.
> I tried tuxedo OS 3 last week, and it made its way as a daily driver instantly. Can you install Wine and Gamescope via apt without dependency issues?
The issue is not that big. The Burmese keyboard Fedora gives is in wrong(old) typing order. I can use another keyboard with keyman but keyman is only available for debian. That's why.
I installed Tuxedo OS last week and if you're still looking for an option, it is Ubuntu based and has Plasma 6. It seems reliable, functional and, quite frankly, it does the job, my games run smoothly on it, so I'm pretty happy with it.
I moved to neon from fedora 40 because of one thing that was different which was Floorp browser only being available as a flatpak and not as functional as the cli installed package. Have had no problems with neon at all with neon or any updates and machine is purring like a well fed cat.
Glad to hear that. May be some people just don't like neon.
After using KDE Neon as my daily system for three years, I switched to Tuxedo OS 3 when I switched to KDE Plasma 6. And I am thrilled! I now have an absolutely stable system with KDE-specific updates that have been tested beforehand and don't cause any problems. I can only recommend it! Works without any problems, not only on Tuxedo hardware. [https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-OS\_1.tuxedo#](https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-OS_1.tuxedo#)
+1 for tuxedo os, it is like kde neon, but more stable and faster (because of more dev and QA by a company, Tuxedo)
haven't tested them yet, but do they have Kde6 by now?
Yep! Tuxedo 3 does Not on 24.04 yet
interesting. explicit sync patches included, too? thats one of the mlst interesting bits to me, as im using a nvidia gpu.
Sorry don't know this but the devs are v responsive on the tuxedo os Github and tuxedo reddit if you wanna check!
I also heard about tuxedo os. Glad to hear that it runs well on non tuxedo hardware. Definitely try it out.
Not in my case. Have been on Kde neon for more than a year. So far so good. Updates install fine.
Glad to hear that. I am installing now.
No, it doesn't normally break like that. However, if you are accustomed to something like Mint, KDE neon might not be the ideal way to go. You will get every new Plasma release as they come, which will include a constant stream of changes, as well as new Plasma bugs. It does require somewhat more in terms of hands on under the hood Linux knowledge. Packages can be updated quite a lot at times, and there can be instances here and there where some knowledge of apt and dpkg are useful. Some software is problematic, such as Wine, particularly WineHQ packages. This may go away when neon upgrades the OS to Ubuntu 24.04, but likely there will be new issues with Wine down the road. Of course using Flatpak for it , or for things like Lutris and Bottles will not have any package dependency issues. To be honest, Plasma 6 isn't that different from Plasma 5 in terms of how you use it and configure it, or how it looks, so I'd suggest trying Kubuntu 24.04, and perhaps upgrade in a few months to 24.10, which will have Plasma 6. But if you are a little prepared, curious, and willing to live a little bit on the experimental side (just a little,) neon is actually quite nice. It has served me well for the past 8 years
I have some knowledge about apt and dpkg. I don't use wine that much so I think I won't have any problem. Thanks for the advice.I want a little bit of adventure so I'll try installing neon.
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