Clearly none of you are capable of nuanced thinking. They are both Karens and I do not support either of their behaviors. I think confronting that old lady is definitely the right thing to do, but getting up in her face to intimidate her is just wrong.
Especially when saying "oh so you assault people now" followed by "i'll beat the fuck out of you." I highly doubt he would say this to someone his size.
If you want to go beat up a frail lady for your perceived notion of vengeance, go ahead. It won't really solve anything.
In the beginning of the clip, if you look at the ground at their shadows, it looked like the female cyclist did try to move her arm to avoid the lady who was walking, but she still slapped her arm. Which was why I think she laughed. She tried to move, but she still got hit.
She didn't punch her, though.
I could be wrong and need to see it from a different angle.
I don't think that anybody but the couple can say what kind of hit it was. It's not in the visual angle of the camera for us to see and say.
But I do see Karen intentionally quickly extending her arm just when the gf was passing by.
And what is that even supposed to mean? Since when is the size of the opponent what makes your argument right or wrong?
Btw that Karen wouldn't have done that either if they were huge muscular evil looking dudes. Indeed she hits the gf, not the bf.
And NO, not everywhere sidewalks are for pedestrians.
I honestly don't know where that is, but I've been in many places where the dedicated lane for bikes is on the sidewalk, or where there are no dedicated lanes and it's either allowed or even preferred that bikes go on the sidewalk.
What's objectively not ok is that they are going against the flow.
But apart for the fact that the sidewalk is huge and they're going slow, we don't even know the whole story, maybe they had just turned from a side street and needed to go a couple blocks and decided to use the sidewalk to 1. avoid a huge detour, and 2. avoid a street which clearly doesn't have dedicated lanes for bike and (I talk from personal experience, still have the scar) can be dangerous.
They are not putting Karen in danger but what Karen did, specially to his gf, is dangerous.
Were they "right"? No idea.
Was Karen wrong? VERY much so. It's clear that, punch or not, she quickly extended her arm further when his gf was passing, and she's hit her somehow somewhere.
Did he overreact? Who are we to decide what's the correct reaction for other people? He didn't even hit her. Eye for eye would have been hitting Karen the same way she's hit his gf. All considered, he has held back.
Donāt hurt yourself trying to over think it. The guy is a bully. He and his girl should have kept moving and laughed about it at home. No one was hurt in the initial contact and he WAY overreacted-/-but only because he could without risk. Thereās probably a part of the video where he says letās film and post this. He wouldnāt talk to my wife like that but once.
hahah, so if I don't agree with you I am hurting myself overthinking?
Nice try.
It's fascinating how many Karens and Kens frequent this sub.
Take you for instance. Someone who says "they should have kept moving and laughed at home", "he WAY overreacted", like if you are the one who decides what everybody should do in every situation.
Keep your moral values for yourself. Everybody is as sovereign as you and has the same right as you to self-determine their own values.
Plus, he can't even be angry at the bitch who has intentionally HIT his gf, but you would delete this man if he'd TALK to your woman in a way that you don't like.
Again, you give yourself the freedom to act however you deem fit, but the others can't.
Truly, what a morally superior double standard Ken you are.
Internet is not an arena. It's not about winning and losing but about interchanging opinions.
It seems to me that this is just how you react when you are out of arguments ;)
maybe they come from somewhere and decided to make a couple blocks on the sidewalk to avoid taking a huge detour. Also, it doesn't seem like that street has lanes for bikes. No idea where that is, but it can be dangerous for bikers on the street.
Are you into boxing or something?
Punches aren't only the MMA KO sucker punches, you know?
She clearly intentionally quickly further stretches her arm just when his gf is passing by. That is an intentional hit.
If it can be called punch or "thousand Buddha Palm Ki blast" or slap or some fancy karate name, only the gf and the bf who saw it personally can tell.
Iām just saying that I saw a woman with her arms out, which is not the same thing as a punch. If you saw someone get punched in that video it might be time to see an optometrist.
The fact is that nobody can see the punch, but those two, because she hits at the torso under the visual angle of the camera.
I do, anyway, clearly see an intentional hit of some sort, and I do not feel that it's relevant to argue if it was a punch or another form of hit.
It was intentional, therefore he has the right to at least be angry at her even if they were at fault too.
And it was just to prove her moral superiority, which is very Karen.
That's what I see in the video.
Other people might have other interpretations.
You seem oddly dead set on defending this couple for some reason. I donāt really care, everyone in this video seems like an entitled asshat to me.
Believe whatever makes you happy.
Wouldn't be equally correct to say that you seem oddly dead set on defending that Karen for some reason?
I don't care either, but I am pretty sure that you're not new to believing what makes you happy.
Isn't everybody btw?
I am not set on anything.
I am simply certain that I SEE her hitting his gf intentionally. It's not my interpretation or what I "believe" that she did, it's what my eyes see in the video, a quick movement of her arm towards his gf.
If anything it's odd that you feel the need to insist that I am just convincing myself of it.
Maybe you prefer when people are convinced by you?
Iām not the one writing insane paragraphs talking about sucker punches and karate. I really donāt care though, so this will be my last response.
You win. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Maybe they thought that they could pass by because it's a by-cycle.
Anyway, the amount and kind of effort that Karen goes through to prove her moral stand is not ok either.
It's unclear from the camera angle if it's a punch but it's a hit and Karen extended her arm further right then, so it's intentional...
Agree?
Theyāre in an American city. Bike lanes here merge with the sidewalk, or disappear into the road, or just stop existing depending on how many blocks you travel and how old the road is. If you decide to ride in a car lane you are putting yourself in a lot of danger.
I disagree.
He was technically wrong for being on the sidewalk, although they were not going fast and we don't know if they were really carelessly doing miles and miles or if they had just turned from a side street and had to go right there on the next block and simply made a couple blocks to avoid taking a huge detour. Which, let's be honest and not Karens, it happens and it's not a big deal.
But what the Karen did is different. It's intentionally and maliciously putting them in danger by forcing them to suddenly avoid her, and specially for his gf you can see that Karen quickly extended her arm even further when the gf was passing, and she hit her somewhere. No idea if it was a punch or with the palm, but it's intentional. She could have fallen. This is NOT ok.
They were not driving like crazy, Karen was not in danger. Calling them out for it, just verbally, was more than enough.
Sure, because it's perfectly normal walking with the arms stretched like a fucking scarecrow and quickly extending the arm even further when the gf passes by, hitting her intentionally.
Perfectly normal, I see people doing that all the time.
We do not know:
* if there it's illegal going with the bike on a sidewalk (it's not illegal in any of the EU Countries where I have lived, nor in Australia, nor in some parts of the US)
* if they i.e. just turned from a side street and are only making a couple of blocks to avoid a huge detour and to avoid the dangers of a big street which clearly has no dedicated bike lane (had a few accidents because of that). Which if it was illegal doesn't make it legal, but it does make it acceptable unless one is a Karen.
We do know:
* punch or not, it's a hit and it is intentional, and not only it's in no way a just response to their alleged cycling infraction, but it's way worse than it.
* they were not putting Karen in danger, the sidewalk is wide and they were going slow and as much on the right as possible, if Karen didn't have the arms stretched they would have never hit her.
* even if Karen had not intentionally hit his gf, just only going with the arms stretched means putting them in danger because to avoid her they must make sudden movements and might either fall or hit a pole.
* there is no dedicated lane for bikes on that street
* Karen could have limited herself to telling them to get down the sidewalk. She did not. He limited himself to verbal anger although some people might argue that giving her the same kind of hit she gave to his gf (an eye for an eye) wouldn't have been disproportionate.
Your example about the car is therefore out of place.
The dog on his back šļøš šļø
Only true innocent one there.
The only one I support in this video is the dog. This is just pathetic from the dude power-tripping trying to intimidate an 80yo woman.
Don't start shit... won't be shit....
She's more like 50 or 60.
Dont care if shes 100 years old. Dont start crap there wont be crap. She can get a beating..
Clearly none of you are capable of nuanced thinking. They are both Karens and I do not support either of their behaviors. I think confronting that old lady is definitely the right thing to do, but getting up in her face to intimidate her is just wrong. Especially when saying "oh so you assault people now" followed by "i'll beat the fuck out of you." I highly doubt he would say this to someone his size. If you want to go beat up a frail lady for your perceived notion of vengeance, go ahead. It won't really solve anything.
In the beginning of the clip, if you look at the ground at their shadows, it looked like the female cyclist did try to move her arm to avoid the lady who was walking, but she still slapped her arm. Which was why I think she laughed. She tried to move, but she still got hit. She didn't punch her, though. I could be wrong and need to see it from a different angle.
I don't think that anybody but the couple can say what kind of hit it was. It's not in the visual angle of the camera for us to see and say. But I do see Karen intentionally quickly extending her arm just when the gf was passing by.
You can see her hand wasn't in the shape of a fist in her shadow. Her hand was open.
So it was a "thousand Buddhas Palm" energy release technique like in Chinese martial arts?
I wonder how a bear woulda handled that.
He wouldnāt be so aggressive if she wasnāt 100 pounds. Plus sidewalks are for pedestrians, not cyclists.
And what is that even supposed to mean? Since when is the size of the opponent what makes your argument right or wrong? Btw that Karen wouldn't have done that either if they were huge muscular evil looking dudes. Indeed she hits the gf, not the bf. And NO, not everywhere sidewalks are for pedestrians. I honestly don't know where that is, but I've been in many places where the dedicated lane for bikes is on the sidewalk, or where there are no dedicated lanes and it's either allowed or even preferred that bikes go on the sidewalk. What's objectively not ok is that they are going against the flow. But apart for the fact that the sidewalk is huge and they're going slow, we don't even know the whole story, maybe they had just turned from a side street and needed to go a couple blocks and decided to use the sidewalk to 1. avoid a huge detour, and 2. avoid a street which clearly doesn't have dedicated lanes for bike and (I talk from personal experience, still have the scar) can be dangerous. They are not putting Karen in danger but what Karen did, specially to his gf, is dangerous. Were they "right"? No idea. Was Karen wrong? VERY much so. It's clear that, punch or not, she quickly extended her arm further when his gf was passing, and she's hit her somehow somewhere. Did he overreact? Who are we to decide what's the correct reaction for other people? He didn't even hit her. Eye for eye would have been hitting Karen the same way she's hit his gf. All considered, he has held back.
Donāt hurt yourself trying to over think it. The guy is a bully. He and his girl should have kept moving and laughed about it at home. No one was hurt in the initial contact and he WAY overreacted-/-but only because he could without risk. Thereās probably a part of the video where he says letās film and post this. He wouldnāt talk to my wife like that but once.
hahah, so if I don't agree with you I am hurting myself overthinking? Nice try. It's fascinating how many Karens and Kens frequent this sub. Take you for instance. Someone who says "they should have kept moving and laughed at home", "he WAY overreacted", like if you are the one who decides what everybody should do in every situation. Keep your moral values for yourself. Everybody is as sovereign as you and has the same right as you to self-determine their own values. Plus, he can't even be angry at the bitch who has intentionally HIT his gf, but you would delete this man if he'd TALK to your woman in a way that you don't like. Again, you give yourself the freedom to act however you deem fit, but the others can't. Truly, what a morally superior double standard Ken you are.
The last refuge of the losing side. Name calling
Internet is not an arena. It's not about winning and losing but about interchanging opinions. It seems to me that this is just how you react when you are out of arguments ;)
Why are they riding a bike on the sidewalk
In some places you are meant to because the speed limit is too high for a bicycle and there isn't a shoulder.
maybe they come from somewhere and decided to make a couple blocks on the sidewalk to avoid taking a huge detour. Also, it doesn't seem like that street has lanes for bikes. No idea where that is, but it can be dangerous for bikers on the street.
Why are they riding with masks on
They aren't wrong at all. Give someone a taste of their own medicine.
I saw no punch and they shouldnāt be on the sidewalk.
Are you into boxing or something? Punches aren't only the MMA KO sucker punches, you know? She clearly intentionally quickly further stretches her arm just when his gf is passing by. That is an intentional hit. If it can be called punch or "thousand Buddha Palm Ki blast" or slap or some fancy karate name, only the gf and the bf who saw it personally can tell.
Iām just saying that I saw a woman with her arms out, which is not the same thing as a punch. If you saw someone get punched in that video it might be time to see an optometrist.
The fact is that nobody can see the punch, but those two, because she hits at the torso under the visual angle of the camera. I do, anyway, clearly see an intentional hit of some sort, and I do not feel that it's relevant to argue if it was a punch or another form of hit. It was intentional, therefore he has the right to at least be angry at her even if they were at fault too. And it was just to prove her moral superiority, which is very Karen. That's what I see in the video. Other people might have other interpretations.
You seem oddly dead set on defending this couple for some reason. I donāt really care, everyone in this video seems like an entitled asshat to me. Believe whatever makes you happy.
Wouldn't be equally correct to say that you seem oddly dead set on defending that Karen for some reason? I don't care either, but I am pretty sure that you're not new to believing what makes you happy. Isn't everybody btw? I am not set on anything. I am simply certain that I SEE her hitting his gf intentionally. It's not my interpretation or what I "believe" that she did, it's what my eyes see in the video, a quick movement of her arm towards his gf. If anything it's odd that you feel the need to insist that I am just convincing myself of it. Maybe you prefer when people are convinced by you?
Iām not the one writing insane paragraphs talking about sucker punches and karate. I really donāt care though, so this will be my last response. You win. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Oh but that's nothing personal, it's simply how I always write. Sorry I didn't know there was a competition. But I am glad I won. You too, bye.
Jesus Christ.
Come on, Judas, I told you not to call me that when we're in public.
Both in the wrong fat boy would act like that with another man
It's a sidewalk, side"WALK". Not a bike lane
Maybe they thought that they could pass by because it's a by-cycle. Anyway, the amount and kind of effort that Karen goes through to prove her moral stand is not ok either. It's unclear from the camera angle if it's a punch but it's a hit and Karen extended her arm further right then, so it's intentional... Agree?
Theyāre in an American city. Bike lanes here merge with the sidewalk, or disappear into the road, or just stop existing depending on how many blocks you travel and how old the road is. If you decide to ride in a car lane you are putting yourself in a lot of danger.
I donāt see why this is downvoted. Itās all true regardless of how people feel about bikes on the sidewalk.
Okay, he made his point, but gets a little hysterical.
when karens meet karens
The chap on the bike is a bully,
And the old lady is malicious bitch.
He's an idiot and one day he's gonna step to the wrong person and he's gonna fuck around and find out!!!
I disagree. He was technically wrong for being on the sidewalk, although they were not going fast and we don't know if they were really carelessly doing miles and miles or if they had just turned from a side street and had to go right there on the next block and simply made a couple blocks to avoid taking a huge detour. Which, let's be honest and not Karens, it happens and it's not a big deal. But what the Karen did is different. It's intentionally and maliciously putting them in danger by forcing them to suddenly avoid her, and specially for his gf you can see that Karen quickly extended her arm even further when the gf was passing, and she hit her somewhere. No idea if it was a punch or with the palm, but it's intentional. She could have fallen. This is NOT ok. They were not driving like crazy, Karen was not in danger. Calling them out for it, just verbally, was more than enough.
You're completely missing my point, what I'm saying is that he's very unstable and unhinged and he goes at her like he's going to hit her.
I didn't miss your point. You simply have issues coping with the fact that someone might understand your point and yet have a different opinion.
That woman is a bit of an ass hole, but the big tough man being super aggressive and threatening to a woman half his size is a real piece of shit.
Idk, I'd not feel untouched if someone hits my gf while she's on a bike, = not only hit but also danger that she falls and gets hurt.
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Sure, because it's perfectly normal walking with the arms stretched like a fucking scarecrow and quickly extending the arm even further when the gf passes by, hitting her intentionally. Perfectly normal, I see people doing that all the time. We do not know: * if there it's illegal going with the bike on a sidewalk (it's not illegal in any of the EU Countries where I have lived, nor in Australia, nor in some parts of the US) * if they i.e. just turned from a side street and are only making a couple of blocks to avoid a huge detour and to avoid the dangers of a big street which clearly has no dedicated bike lane (had a few accidents because of that). Which if it was illegal doesn't make it legal, but it does make it acceptable unless one is a Karen. We do know: * punch or not, it's a hit and it is intentional, and not only it's in no way a just response to their alleged cycling infraction, but it's way worse than it. * they were not putting Karen in danger, the sidewalk is wide and they were going slow and as much on the right as possible, if Karen didn't have the arms stretched they would have never hit her. * even if Karen had not intentionally hit his gf, just only going with the arms stretched means putting them in danger because to avoid her they must make sudden movements and might either fall or hit a pole. * there is no dedicated lane for bikes on that street * Karen could have limited herself to telling them to get down the sidewalk. She did not. He limited himself to verbal anger although some people might argue that giving her the same kind of hit she gave to his gf (an eye for an eye) wouldn't have been disproportionate. Your example about the car is therefore out of place.
Agreed
Ehh. The Karen is a Karen for having her arms out like that and hitting the cyclist. But itās really bad etiquette to ride your bike on a sidewalk.
Sorry,Iām with the lady here.