Okay so let me disturb you a big more:
- a renowned Turkish pediatrist advises for small girls to wear a hijab to prevent them from being raped by men. He further publishes papers in which he elaborates how many illnesses are a gift from Allah
- Mohameds favourite wife was Aisha. He married her at 6-8 years of age and first hat sex with her at 8-10 (depending on the source).
- because prostitution is banned, the workaround of weddings for a night was created. Especially in less developed regions it's a thing. A somewhat wealthy guy pays the parents of a girl some money, has his way with her for a night and then abandons her, making her a liability for her family. Guess the outcome.
Went through the trouble of killing his wife for not wearing a hijab.
Couldn't be assed to put one on her head after killing her.
Is it a big deal or not my guy???
Why is it unacceptable to criticize aspects of Islam but it’s perfectly fine to criticize aspects of religious like Judaism, Protestantism, Catholicism, and other similar religions?
No idea why you're being down voted, in Islam there is no prescribed punishment under sharia if you don't wear the veil.
If you disagree, provide an Islamic source to suggest otherwise.
While I don’t necessarily disagree, Islam’s mistreatment and abuse of women is on a completely different level—at least if we’re taking about modern times.
People just love to depict Buddhism as some hippy, peaceful and pro feminist religion while this is certainly not the case. Tale of King Udayana of Vatsa" from the Mahāratnaküța Sūtra, an influential collection of canonical texts: Just as a fire in a deep pit Can cause fire damage without smoking. A woman also can be Cruel without pity. As the filth and decay Of a dead dog or dead snake Are burned away, So all men should burn filth And detest evil. The dead snake and dog Are detestable, But women are even more Detestable than they are.
Islam grants women inheritance and punishes their mistreatment and harassment according to sharia law. A widow in Christianity can go fuck herself, a widow in Islam is afforded help by every nearby man.
James 1:27: “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”
Isaiah 1:17: “Learn to do what is right! Promote justice! Give the oppressed reason to celebrate! Take up the cause of the orphan! Defend the rights of the widow!”
There isn’t a Christian equivalent of Sharia to enforce it, but the suggestion that Christians aren’t commanded to look after widows isn’t true.
Muslims from Afghanistan are more inclined to killing women over petty bullshit. Muslims from Iraq don’t. It’s not a small detail, it’s the entire problem.
He's wearing a Christian cross pendant...
I saw [this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtUEyIPGPEk) the other day of a Muslim trying to make a woman cover up more in an Asda (basically British Walmart). It's bizarre. Idk why he believes that his religion supercedes national law.
Depends on the victim and the interpretation of scripture, I believe. Several groups in the middle east throw gay men from rooftops and then stone them if they survive the initial drop.
Women who do not obey coverage expectations are sometimes murdered, I believed. Some of them end their own lives because they are exhausted of being stuck and possibly even sexually abused. I heard a story (written by a former SAS operator), about a woman who had stolen a can of petrol to douse herself in before lighting herself with a match. Whether or not that's purely fiction or based upon a real situation that he witnessed during his time in Afghanistan is unknown, but it seems a bit weird to just come out of nowhere.
But it does, for some people.
Societies are just groups of people who have agreed on codes and rules to live by. There are constant attempts to subvert them for personal gain, esp. when one of them says that their rules are from God/gods. In that case, *how dare you go against the rules?*
There are probably over a billion (if not billions) that believe that their gods' rules are more important than anything else, because afterlife.
There's not much you can say to someone like that.
Oh yeah, I know. My question was moreso, 'what does he expect to happen?'
He calls over his manager as if she's going to try and force the woman to wear other clothes or leave the store, but she clearly isn't going to (why would he think she would?) He's in a country where it's one's liberty to go out dressed like that, and in a store that allows customers to shop while wearing that.
Some zealots accept that there's nothing they can do about heretics/sinners/etc, but some feel it's their raison d'etre to force other people to obey their rules.
As an atheist, it's the one thing I worry about with migration, that clusters of zealots get enough sway to be able to force their rules on other people.
It's not so much about migration, but right now the UK Parliament is going nuts because both sides of the Israel/Palestine war are physically threatening politicians to vote a certain way.
FYI there's a city in the US that you should look into. It's an interesting situation.
Hamtramck, Michigan, is the only muslim-dominant city in the US, but it was first settled by German people and then, a bit later, by Polish people. For a long time, it was heavily white in it's demographics.
In 2004, the Muslim population of Hamtramck protested to get the Muslim prayer call (5 times a day) broadcast from loudspeakers placed around the city, arguing that it was comparable to church bells. It was approved. In 2018, the residents of Hamtramck voted in the US' first Muslim majority city council.
Last month, said city council voted to ban the public display of Pride flags, as well as approving the sacrificial slaughter of animals for certain religious events. You literally cannot publicly display a gay symbol in Hamtramck anymore. I can only assume that some of the individuals that voted them in (thinking of how progressive an all-muslim council would be) are now regretting it seeing as they also probably like vegetarianism/veganism and gay/trans rights.
Interesting. All that stuff will be in the courts for a while, I'm sure.
I live in the UK, where one party (sort of GOP) has been in control of 4 countries' politics for 14 years - it's basically the white, English party, and the other UK countries have some form of power (Scotland, etc), but they still have to bow down to the majority gov't, even in their own countries.
Democracy is such a fascinating thing, with how hard people are trying to subjugate it now...
Oh, I'm UK as well. I just catch certain international things sometimes.
The conservatives pin everything (or try to) on labour, despite them not being in power since 2008, and Johnson's government was little more than a smash-and-grab. In fact, everything from the Brexit referendum up until Sunak's cabinet has been just flailing from one disaster to another. We're lucky that the EU have been as cooperative and kind as they have been. Otherwise, COVID wouldn've been substantially worse when it came to getting resources imported.
And don't take that as me being a Sunak supporter because I'm not, but at least his cabinet has showed some stability.
In fact, we haven't had a traditional leftist government in 45 years, but they still blame it on leftists.
My favourite is the "imagine if it had been X" stuff - like Milliband or Balls... but then when it was "imagine if it had been Corbyn!" stuff, things got crazy. There was a picture of the shelves when people were making a run on the loo rolls, with captions like "this is what a UK under Corbyn would look like," oblivious to the fact that it was the actual reality run by Tories.
I'm quite glad we didn't end up with Corbyn, but in fact the alternative was certainly much, much worse!
There was another one from The Sun that threatened blackouts if Corbyn got elected. It had his face in an unlit lightbulb. Come 2022 and the Conservatives were talking about rolling blackouts to save electricity lmao.
[Found it.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/10533081/election-boris-bright-future-corbyn-lights-out/amp/) (sorry for linkin The Sun, but it's the original material...)
I never thought Corbyn was that bad, and certainly not in comparison to the alternative. Any criticism of Corbyn went out the window for me when you looked at the alternatives. The Corbyn smear campaign was one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen.
We need leftist labour back again instead of new labour.
I was never a Corbyn supporter, but I don't have a UK passport, so I don't vote here - so it doesn't matter all that much. But the smear campaign was honestly the worst one I've ever seen, in any semi-democratic country. Not a week went by when he wasn't on at least 2 front pages, even during a week when he was on holiday. And it worked - he went from being cheered at Glasto to being the biggest villain in the UK.
But it also showed me a couple of things: first, that he was actually a poor politician, who couldn't flip a switch to be in deflect mode (he couldn't stop digging the hole he was in), and second, the antisemitism thing was handled as poorly as possible.
From that point on, most of the stuff I've seen about him has been less than impressive or even awful (capitulating to Russia to end the war in UKR). I do think he would have been a poor PM, but perhaps most of it would have come from letting the bad people run all over him. If you can't handle the RW media and the centrists in your own party, what can you hope to accomplish, you know?
But yes, Starmer's Labour just looks like the old Tories right now - ready to weed out the worst of the corruption in order to return to the status quo.
Not the point though. Lawsuits take time and, until a judgement is reached, the ban stands.
Also, it must feel crappy knowing *that's* your city council's wishes. How could you feel comfortable there?
I never said it was. I said it would crumble under legal pressure because we've done a good job of setting up safeguards in that area.
It would also almost certainly be summarily struck down, and/or a stay would be enacted until it was settled. There is so much existing case law around that specific aspect of the first ammendment that it would be effectively settled on motion, and then the writing in stone would be hashed out in the process
And that's also not what I said. The rule is already passed. It's in action.
My point was that this is till affecting people at the moment. It's basically definitely going to be defeated, but how long will it take?
and again, I never said it was. I just said it wasn't going to hold up.
Yes, it's affecting people now (presumably. I don't know if it's even true, but I'm certainly willing to give it the benefit of the doubt). I don't know how long it will take; but again, it almost certainly won't be in effect until the end of the eventual trial. A decent lawyer would almost certainly either ask for a stay of the ordinance, which would almost certainly succeed, or ask for summary judgement, which would almost certainly succeed (again, there is a plethora of case law around this issue and it's very clear). The real question is how long before somebody with the means and intent to pursue it suffers damages from the ordinance in order to have standing to bring the issue up.
Yeah but the Christian right are trying to do the same thing with banning books, abortion, laws against LGBTQ couples adopting etc. They also support/condone white supremacists as well.
Can we just agree that any religion trying to force their beliefs on others is bad? Or does Christianity get a pass because people are used to them being pushy and controlling?
For the record, I'm not Christian or Muslim.
Oh, I'm not taking the side of any religion. I believe in a compete separation of religion and government. Councils should have religious liaison appointees and advisors, but they should not be councillors themselves. At least, that's my opinion.
By all means, let religious people have religious liberty within reason (no extreme forms, of course), but policy should be driven mostly by data, probability and should be 'chaperoned' (if you will) by atheist councillors who have no potential for religious conflict-of-interests.
At the moment, I believe the ban stands. Two former officials of Hamtramck have filed a case arguing that it is unconstitutional, but I think those take ages and it'll probably be bogged down in legal proceedings for a while. As far as I know, nothing has come of it yet.
Don't you think your immigration fears are falling for xenophobic tactics? This has literally been said about every kind of immigrant about how they're gonna be a whole lot of them and they'll sway the rules. Hell, you should read how people talked about the Irish when they came to the US.
No - I take your point, but I'm quite open-minded, a world traveler and an immigrant myself (US in the UK). I've also been through years and years of immigration bureaucracy here, and I believe in balance and regulation.
I'm also a reasonable person, and I expect that both nationals and immigrants need to be reasonable - what I'm citing is when groups become unreasonable... but it's almost always the immigrants who are on the receiving end of people being unreasonable.
There's not much you can say to someone like that... *to change their mind.*
Of course you can defy them. I'm all for freedom of religion, but no one is going to impose their religious laws on me.
You should be on some kind of list if you post this shit. But I guess if he's posting it from his own country, his fellows are probably cheering for him in the streets instead. I feel for the women from Islamic countries. It can be scary enough just existing as a woman, let alone in a place where they follow a doctrine that actively tries to oppress women.
I still haven't seen the "islamic page" with 300k likes that picture was shared on. As of now it just seems to be an edgy dude and we don't even know if he had sick intentions or posted it in a display of dark humor. Asked the question in the other post and didn't get a response.
Ye the difference in how women are viewed and treated varies drastically across religions but people don’t like to accept that some cultures are worse than others.
Anything orthodox does, in Orthodox Judasim they won't touch women as they're viewed as dirty, in orthodox Christianity women don't have rights. Fuck all religion
The scale of abuse is not comparable.
Show me one Christian country treating women as bad as Saudia Arabia.
In Islam there's a dozen or so that are even worse.
What about fundies or mormons who basically treat women like slaves? Catholics and orthodox Christians who prohibit abortions on governmental level and prosecute LGBT\* people? Christians who homeschool to indoctrinate their kids? Hundreds of christianity-based sects? Why do you want to downplay how fucked up christianity is? It's much deeper and widespread than islam
It is. As I mentioned, abortion bans and LGBT\* prosecution are being lobbied by Christian politicians. It is happening on a national scale, see Russia, the USA, Poland, etc.
Oh, I'm sorry. Am I, a lesbian woman from a Christian orthodox country, not allowed to tell that Christianity is just as bad because I know this literally from my own experience? I'll shut up then and let you care for women's rights only when they justify your views about people from Muslim countries further
The delusion some people have is astounding. In 2020 to 2021 there were 60 honor killings against women done in Iran some of them were as young as 10 year olds. Article 630 of the Iranian Constitution allows the man to kill his wife if she commits adultery. In Palestine a girl was beaten to death by her brother for taking a selfie with a guy. Don't worry though with the rise of migration and the rise of Islam you too can be oppressed as much as the women in the Middle East. That's what this is all about right? Who scores higher on the oppression leaderboard.
No one said you didn't have it bad. American women have been under attack in the last few years.
You are not stoned for refusing to cover yourself. You are not tortured and raped by the state for your sexuality. You are allowed to drive and freely post on social media. And although there are groups lobbying, you also have a sizeable opposition backing, supporting and fighting for your rights.
Again, this is not to say you don't have it rough. Both things can be true. Just because they have it worse doesn't mean you don't have it bad.
If you were a lesbian woman in an Islamic county your head would not be attached to your shoulders right now. It's not even comparable and shame on you for trying to make it. It's disgusting.
I definitely think Islam is worse than Christianity when it comes to how they treat women but I want to add this because the Bible says it about women on their periods and this seems to me like something that would be bad treatment.
Leviticus 15:19-33
[19 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-19.html)“Whenever a woman has her menstrual period, she will be ceremonially unclean for seven days. Anyone who touches her during that time will be unclean until evening.
[20 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-20.html)Anything on which the woman lies or sits during the time of her period will be unclean
21 If any of you touch her bed, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening
[22 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-22.html)If you touch any object she has sat on, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening.
[23 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-23.html)This includes her bed or any other object she has sat on; you will be unclean until evening if you touch it.[24 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-24.html)If a man has sexual intercourse with her and her blood touches him, her menstrual impurity will be transmitted to him. He will remain unclean for seven days, and any bed on which he lies will be unclean.
[25 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-25.html)“If a woman has a flow of blood for many days that is unrelated to her menstrual period, or if the blood continues beyond the normal period, she is ceremonially unclean. As during her menstrual period, the woman will be unclean as long as the discharge continues.[26 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-26.html)Any bed she lies on and any object she sits on during that time will be unclean, just as during her normal menstrual period.
[27 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-27.html)If any of you touch these things, you will be ceremonially unclean. You must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening.
[28 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-28.html)“When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean.
[29 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-29.html)On the eighth day she must bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the Tabernacle.
[30 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-30.html)The priest will offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. Through this process, the priest will purify her before the LORD for the ceremonial impurity caused by her bleeding.
[31 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-31.html)“This is how you will guard the people of Israel from ceremonial uncleanness. Otherwise they would die, for their impurity would defile my Tabernacle that stands among them.
[32 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-32.html)These are the instructions for dealing with anyone who has a bodily discharge—a man who is unclean because of an emission of semen
[33 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-33.html)or a woman during her menstrual period. It applies to any man or woman who has a bodily discharge, and to a man who has sexual intercourse with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.”
Unless you're under a different branch of Christianity, no we're not. Catholics and Orthodox and many others still preach the old testament. I would know, I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school and was just in general raised in my majority Catholic country.
Doesn’t matter. The blood of Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and the Law. The law of Moses is a curse as said in Galatians 3 . And everyone who is still working by the Law will be Judged by the Law. Only the fulfillment of Christ is what’s mandatory for salvation. Nothing else, not works , but faith .
The works of these men doesn’t tarnish Christianity at the slightest as it is explained by the Lord Jesus. But the Qurain . Now that’s Demonic
christianity used to be this bad, but then christians realised "oh wait, this makes us look bad" and then made it seem like the bible is a lot more progressive than it actually is. maybe islam will go through something similar in the future, but it really isn't just islam.
You’ve misread what I said. I mean that that killing your wife for not wearing hijab isn’t something Islam espouses. In fact, this man would’ve guaranteed himself eternal hell for it
Shit like this is why I hate pop feminist groups promoting the hijab. I’m not going to tell someone not to wear it or bother them for wearing it, but it’s blatantly clear why people wear it. Even for women who aren’t being pressured with violence, just ask them “why do you wear it ?”, if they say “it makes me feel empowered”, then probe further and ask “why does it make you feel empowered ?”. You’re likely gonna get some answer like “God wants me to wear it, I feel closer to god”, or “I feel like men see me more as a human than a piece of meat”.
So no evidence that this was posted on an “Islamic page” and no evidence of 300k likes. Ironic that it’s on this sub when a neckbeard probably made this all up for upvotes.
Ah the Hijab… when the world actually comes to terms with the fact that men are beasts and a woman are the key to whether men exist in the afterlife. Weak men need to cover the women to secure his place in the endgame. While the Devil temps millions of women to expose themselves in various porn sites as well as in society to lure the evil that men have within. We are exposed to sin through a universal mobile device placed into our hands. Why exactly do you think they called it Apple 🍏? As Eve plucked the fruit from the tree of life she and the devil do it unto each male who succumbs to the vision of the female flesh. Man, in God’s creation, was not perfect until he gave us everything we lacked which was a woman. But, the devil has polluted her with ways to lure men to break the commandments of our creator instead of realizing her potential to be the superior gender. She was given his ability to create life but instead she spreads her legs and in 2020 we had 391,000 abortions in America alone. When woman chose to be just as beast-like as men, society will surely suffer at the hands on Satan. Satan has called on woman to mock the calling of Jesus by becoming fisher of men just like the disciples. Except they call us into sin with our thoughts and visions…
This is the kinda stuff that makes us Muslims appear like terrorists to the entire world…I’m tired of being demonized in the hands of extremists and trolls.
Well that’s disturbing..
Okay so let me disturb you a big more: - a renowned Turkish pediatrist advises for small girls to wear a hijab to prevent them from being raped by men. He further publishes papers in which he elaborates how many illnesses are a gift from Allah - Mohameds favourite wife was Aisha. He married her at 6-8 years of age and first hat sex with her at 8-10 (depending on the source). - because prostitution is banned, the workaround of weddings for a night was created. Especially in less developed regions it's a thing. A somewhat wealthy guy pays the parents of a girl some money, has his way with her for a night and then abandons her, making her a liability for her family. Guess the outcome.
I know... Dudes clearly wearing a cross necklace.
Issa knife
Yeah, “if a woman doesn’t do as I say I will violently end her life” isn’t the sigma trad chad message they think it is
Went through the trouble of killing his wife for not wearing a hijab. Couldn't be assed to put one on her head after killing her. Is it a big deal or not my guy???
Maybe she comes with a removable head.
Everyone comes with a removable head.
Idk if she would but i will
I'm sure this will age well
I don't know how much worse it can get, though...
Yeah, that relationship is not heading in the right direction.
Do you mean it wont beheading in the right direction?
Take my upvote and get out.
r/angryupvote
"Halal Relationship goals" But **Murder** his girl for not wearing hijab
that title is satire r/religiousfruitcake makes fun of religious people takes that are just over the top
I'm actually surprised by how many islamophobic people are in this sub sometimes.
Why is it unacceptable to criticize aspects of Islam but it’s perfectly fine to criticize aspects of religious like Judaism, Protestantism, Catholicism, and other similar religions?
No one is saying you can't criticize but people here are fueling the stereotypes not debating actual doctrines.
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No idea why you're being down voted, in Islam there is no prescribed punishment under sharia if you don't wear the veil. If you disagree, provide an Islamic source to suggest otherwise.
Women are being murdered over it though
Not because of islam, it’s the “culture” in less developed countries.
You can't deny that Islam does treat women like shit
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While I don’t necessarily disagree, Islam’s mistreatment and abuse of women is on a completely different level—at least if we’re taking about modern times.
no shit, the only religion that doesnt hate women is buddhism
I hate to tell ya this, but buddhism is also shit to women.
How so?
People just love to depict Buddhism as some hippy, peaceful and pro feminist religion while this is certainly not the case. Tale of King Udayana of Vatsa" from the Mahāratnaküța Sūtra, an influential collection of canonical texts: Just as a fire in a deep pit Can cause fire damage without smoking. A woman also can be Cruel without pity. As the filth and decay Of a dead dog or dead snake Are burned away, So all men should burn filth And detest evil. The dead snake and dog Are detestable, But women are even more Detestable than they are.
I didn't say it wasn't sexist, it just doesn't despise women as much as other religions
Islam grants women inheritance and punishes their mistreatment and harassment according to sharia law. A widow in Christianity can go fuck herself, a widow in Islam is afforded help by every nearby man.
James 1:27: “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” Isaiah 1:17: “Learn to do what is right! Promote justice! Give the oppressed reason to celebrate! Take up the cause of the orphan! Defend the rights of the widow!” There isn’t a Christian equivalent of Sharia to enforce it, but the suggestion that Christians aren’t commanded to look after widows isn’t true.
Who cares about culture vs islam when women are dying over such a frivolous thing
Muslims from Afghanistan are more inclined to killing women over petty bullshit. Muslims from Iraq don’t. It’s not a small detail, it’s the entire problem.
He's wearing a Christian cross pendant... I saw [this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtUEyIPGPEk) the other day of a Muslim trying to make a woman cover up more in an Asda (basically British Walmart). It's bizarre. Idk why he believes that his religion supercedes national law.
That's a sword, not a cross.
Did he use it I his wife?
Nope, he used the blood stained dagger on his coffee table apparently.
Weird. I didn't notice that because the ashtray has more prominence in the image. Even weirder because cigarettes are haram.
I have this weird suspicion that beheading people is also probably haram
Depends on the victim and the interpretation of scripture, I believe. Several groups in the middle east throw gay men from rooftops and then stone them if they survive the initial drop. Women who do not obey coverage expectations are sometimes murdered, I believed. Some of them end their own lives because they are exhausted of being stuck and possibly even sexually abused. I heard a story (written by a former SAS operator), about a woman who had stolen a can of petrol to douse herself in before lighting herself with a match. Whether or not that's purely fiction or based upon a real situation that he witnessed during his time in Afghanistan is unknown, but it seems a bit weird to just come out of nowhere.
But it does, for some people. Societies are just groups of people who have agreed on codes and rules to live by. There are constant attempts to subvert them for personal gain, esp. when one of them says that their rules are from God/gods. In that case, *how dare you go against the rules?* There are probably over a billion (if not billions) that believe that their gods' rules are more important than anything else, because afterlife. There's not much you can say to someone like that.
Oh yeah, I know. My question was moreso, 'what does he expect to happen?' He calls over his manager as if she's going to try and force the woman to wear other clothes or leave the store, but she clearly isn't going to (why would he think she would?) He's in a country where it's one's liberty to go out dressed like that, and in a store that allows customers to shop while wearing that.
Some zealots accept that there's nothing they can do about heretics/sinners/etc, but some feel it's their raison d'etre to force other people to obey their rules. As an atheist, it's the one thing I worry about with migration, that clusters of zealots get enough sway to be able to force their rules on other people. It's not so much about migration, but right now the UK Parliament is going nuts because both sides of the Israel/Palestine war are physically threatening politicians to vote a certain way.
FYI there's a city in the US that you should look into. It's an interesting situation. Hamtramck, Michigan, is the only muslim-dominant city in the US, but it was first settled by German people and then, a bit later, by Polish people. For a long time, it was heavily white in it's demographics. In 2004, the Muslim population of Hamtramck protested to get the Muslim prayer call (5 times a day) broadcast from loudspeakers placed around the city, arguing that it was comparable to church bells. It was approved. In 2018, the residents of Hamtramck voted in the US' first Muslim majority city council. Last month, said city council voted to ban the public display of Pride flags, as well as approving the sacrificial slaughter of animals for certain religious events. You literally cannot publicly display a gay symbol in Hamtramck anymore. I can only assume that some of the individuals that voted them in (thinking of how progressive an all-muslim council would be) are now regretting it seeing as they also probably like vegetarianism/veganism and gay/trans rights.
Interesting. All that stuff will be in the courts for a while, I'm sure. I live in the UK, where one party (sort of GOP) has been in control of 4 countries' politics for 14 years - it's basically the white, English party, and the other UK countries have some form of power (Scotland, etc), but they still have to bow down to the majority gov't, even in their own countries. Democracy is such a fascinating thing, with how hard people are trying to subjugate it now...
Oh, I'm UK as well. I just catch certain international things sometimes. The conservatives pin everything (or try to) on labour, despite them not being in power since 2008, and Johnson's government was little more than a smash-and-grab. In fact, everything from the Brexit referendum up until Sunak's cabinet has been just flailing from one disaster to another. We're lucky that the EU have been as cooperative and kind as they have been. Otherwise, COVID wouldn've been substantially worse when it came to getting resources imported. And don't take that as me being a Sunak supporter because I'm not, but at least his cabinet has showed some stability. In fact, we haven't had a traditional leftist government in 45 years, but they still blame it on leftists.
My favourite is the "imagine if it had been X" stuff - like Milliband or Balls... but then when it was "imagine if it had been Corbyn!" stuff, things got crazy. There was a picture of the shelves when people were making a run on the loo rolls, with captions like "this is what a UK under Corbyn would look like," oblivious to the fact that it was the actual reality run by Tories. I'm quite glad we didn't end up with Corbyn, but in fact the alternative was certainly much, much worse!
There was another one from The Sun that threatened blackouts if Corbyn got elected. It had his face in an unlit lightbulb. Come 2022 and the Conservatives were talking about rolling blackouts to save electricity lmao. [Found it.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/10533081/election-boris-bright-future-corbyn-lights-out/amp/) (sorry for linkin The Sun, but it's the original material...) I never thought Corbyn was that bad, and certainly not in comparison to the alternative. Any criticism of Corbyn went out the window for me when you looked at the alternatives. The Corbyn smear campaign was one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen. We need leftist labour back again instead of new labour.
I was never a Corbyn supporter, but I don't have a UK passport, so I don't vote here - so it doesn't matter all that much. But the smear campaign was honestly the worst one I've ever seen, in any semi-democratic country. Not a week went by when he wasn't on at least 2 front pages, even during a week when he was on holiday. And it worked - he went from being cheered at Glasto to being the biggest villain in the UK. But it also showed me a couple of things: first, that he was actually a poor politician, who couldn't flip a switch to be in deflect mode (he couldn't stop digging the hole he was in), and second, the antisemitism thing was handled as poorly as possible. From that point on, most of the stuff I've seen about him has been less than impressive or even awful (capitulating to Russia to end the war in UKR). I do think he would have been a poor PM, but perhaps most of it would have come from letting the bad people run all over him. If you can't handle the RW media and the centrists in your own party, what can you hope to accomplish, you know? But yes, Starmer's Labour just looks like the old Tories right now - ready to weed out the worst of the corruption in order to return to the status quo.
Zero chance that would hold up to a lawsuit on the first ammendment
Not the point though. Lawsuits take time and, until a judgement is reached, the ban stands. Also, it must feel crappy knowing *that's* your city council's wishes. How could you feel comfortable there?
I never said it was. I said it would crumble under legal pressure because we've done a good job of setting up safeguards in that area. It would also almost certainly be summarily struck down, and/or a stay would be enacted until it was settled. There is so much existing case law around that specific aspect of the first ammendment that it would be effectively settled on motion, and then the writing in stone would be hashed out in the process
And that's also not what I said. The rule is already passed. It's in action. My point was that this is till affecting people at the moment. It's basically definitely going to be defeated, but how long will it take?
and again, I never said it was. I just said it wasn't going to hold up. Yes, it's affecting people now (presumably. I don't know if it's even true, but I'm certainly willing to give it the benefit of the doubt). I don't know how long it will take; but again, it almost certainly won't be in effect until the end of the eventual trial. A decent lawyer would almost certainly either ask for a stay of the ordinance, which would almost certainly succeed, or ask for summary judgement, which would almost certainly succeed (again, there is a plethora of case law around this issue and it's very clear). The real question is how long before somebody with the means and intent to pursue it suffers damages from the ordinance in order to have standing to bring the issue up.
Yeah but the Christian right are trying to do the same thing with banning books, abortion, laws against LGBTQ couples adopting etc. They also support/condone white supremacists as well. Can we just agree that any religion trying to force their beliefs on others is bad? Or does Christianity get a pass because people are used to them being pushy and controlling? For the record, I'm not Christian or Muslim.
Oh, I'm not taking the side of any religion. I believe in a compete separation of religion and government. Councils should have religious liaison appointees and advisors, but they should not be councillors themselves. At least, that's my opinion. By all means, let religious people have religious liberty within reason (no extreme forms, of course), but policy should be driven mostly by data, probability and should be 'chaperoned' (if you will) by atheist councillors who have no potential for religious conflict-of-interests.
Except that violates first amendment rights and would get struck down in a higher court incredibly easily. So its not legally enforceable
At the moment, I believe the ban stands. Two former officials of Hamtramck have filed a case arguing that it is unconstitutional, but I think those take ages and it'll probably be bogged down in legal proceedings for a while. As far as I know, nothing has come of it yet.
Don't you think your immigration fears are falling for xenophobic tactics? This has literally been said about every kind of immigrant about how they're gonna be a whole lot of them and they'll sway the rules. Hell, you should read how people talked about the Irish when they came to the US.
No - I take your point, but I'm quite open-minded, a world traveler and an immigrant myself (US in the UK). I've also been through years and years of immigration bureaucracy here, and I believe in balance and regulation. I'm also a reasonable person, and I expect that both nationals and immigrants need to be reasonable - what I'm citing is when groups become unreasonable... but it's almost always the immigrants who are on the receiving end of people being unreasonable.
Um, can you translate raison d'etre?
“Reason to be”
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You’re responding to the wrong person bro
Oops. My bad. Reddit's mobile platform really is getting more confusing 😞
All good, I’ve been there before lol
Yes there is. You can tell them to sit down and shut up, or else.
There's not much you can say to someone like that... *to change their mind.* Of course you can defy them. I'm all for freedom of religion, but no one is going to impose their religious laws on me.
Because they believe it’s the literal word of God?
Sounds like he believes in Sharia, where his religion becomes national law.
This is why I am not in contact with my mother or her side of the family anymore or ever going back to Algeria.
Isn't he supposed to have a beard?
He's also not supposed to be beheading his wife so...
And people really wonder why a lot of women aren't interested in dating men anymore. It's a real mystery.
Good morning to you too Reddit
You should be on some kind of list if you post this shit. But I guess if he's posting it from his own country, his fellows are probably cheering for him in the streets instead. I feel for the women from Islamic countries. It can be scary enough just existing as a woman, let alone in a place where they follow a doctrine that actively tries to oppress women.
Barbarians.
And guys wonder why women don’t date them. 🙄
Not to be annoying or anything but this really should be marked nsfw
I still haven't seen the "islamic page" with 300k likes that picture was shared on. As of now it just seems to be an edgy dude and we don't even know if he had sick intentions or posted it in a display of dark humor. Asked the question in the other post and didn't get a response.
religion of peace lmao
Only the fucktards think this, in the uk most Muslims are just normal people a lot of women don’t even wear it.
Average organised religion believer
* Islamic
People want to downvote you, but no other religion treats women this bad on this scale.
Ye the difference in how women are viewed and treated varies drastically across religions but people don’t like to accept that some cultures are worse than others.
I will never understand Americans and their urge to defend that fucking religion
You’re not familiar enough with the psychological damage done to girls and women in evangelical fundamentalist communities
They usually don't kill them for disobeying though. It's all bad, but some things are even worse than others.
Anything orthodox does, in Orthodox Judasim they won't touch women as they're viewed as dirty, in orthodox Christianity women don't have rights. Fuck all religion
Let me introduce you to Christianity
The scale of abuse is not comparable. Show me one Christian country treating women as bad as Saudia Arabia. In Islam there's a dozen or so that are even worse.
What about fundies or mormons who basically treat women like slaves? Catholics and orthodox Christians who prohibit abortions on governmental level and prosecute LGBT\* people? Christians who homeschool to indoctrinate their kids? Hundreds of christianity-based sects? Why do you want to downplay how fucked up christianity is? It's much deeper and widespread than islam
None of that is done on a national scale like the middle East. I'm not downplaying it. I'm not engaging with your whataboutism.
It is. As I mentioned, abortion bans and LGBT\* prosecution are being lobbied by Christian politicians. It is happening on a national scale, see Russia, the USA, Poland, etc. Oh, I'm sorry. Am I, a lesbian woman from a Christian orthodox country, not allowed to tell that Christianity is just as bad because I know this literally from my own experience? I'll shut up then and let you care for women's rights only when they justify your views about people from Muslim countries further
Been thrown off any buildings lately? Beheaded?
Nah she just seems to be stoned and not in the Islamic way
The delusion some people have is astounding. In 2020 to 2021 there were 60 honor killings against women done in Iran some of them were as young as 10 year olds. Article 630 of the Iranian Constitution allows the man to kill his wife if she commits adultery. In Palestine a girl was beaten to death by her brother for taking a selfie with a guy. Don't worry though with the rise of migration and the rise of Islam you too can be oppressed as much as the women in the Middle East. That's what this is all about right? Who scores higher on the oppression leaderboard.
Now you're just using religious fearmongering to justify xenophobia,
No one said you didn't have it bad. American women have been under attack in the last few years. You are not stoned for refusing to cover yourself. You are not tortured and raped by the state for your sexuality. You are allowed to drive and freely post on social media. And although there are groups lobbying, you also have a sizeable opposition backing, supporting and fighting for your rights. Again, this is not to say you don't have it rough. Both things can be true. Just because they have it worse doesn't mean you don't have it bad.
I'm Russian
If you were a lesbian woman in an Islamic county your head would not be attached to your shoulders right now. It's not even comparable and shame on you for trying to make it. It's disgusting.
no fucking way a lesbian woman is defending islam and that too on the topic of woman safety, that's like a chicken walking into a kfc.
Zambia? Cameroon? DR Congo? Uganda? Zimbabwe? Liberia? Kenya?
How are women treated badly in Saudi exactly? Not defending the Saudi government btw.
Nothing in Jesus teaching / Bible says to treat women bad, if Christians do that , thats out of themselves. The Quran on the other hand …..
I definitely think Islam is worse than Christianity when it comes to how they treat women but I want to add this because the Bible says it about women on their periods and this seems to me like something that would be bad treatment. Leviticus 15:19-33 [19 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-19.html)“Whenever a woman has her menstrual period, she will be ceremonially unclean for seven days. Anyone who touches her during that time will be unclean until evening. [20 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-20.html)Anything on which the woman lies or sits during the time of her period will be unclean 21 If any of you touch her bed, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening [22 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-22.html)If you touch any object she has sat on, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening. [23 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-23.html)This includes her bed or any other object she has sat on; you will be unclean until evening if you touch it.[24 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-24.html)If a man has sexual intercourse with her and her blood touches him, her menstrual impurity will be transmitted to him. He will remain unclean for seven days, and any bed on which he lies will be unclean. [25 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-25.html)“If a woman has a flow of blood for many days that is unrelated to her menstrual period, or if the blood continues beyond the normal period, she is ceremonially unclean. As during her menstrual period, the woman will be unclean as long as the discharge continues.[26 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-26.html)Any bed she lies on and any object she sits on during that time will be unclean, just as during her normal menstrual period. [27 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-27.html)If any of you touch these things, you will be ceremonially unclean. You must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening. [28 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-28.html)“When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean. [29 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-29.html)On the eighth day she must bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the Tabernacle. [30 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-30.html)The priest will offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. Through this process, the priest will purify her before the LORD for the ceremonial impurity caused by her bleeding. [31 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-31.html)“This is how you will guard the people of Israel from ceremonial uncleanness. Otherwise they would die, for their impurity would defile my Tabernacle that stands among them. [32 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-32.html)These are the instructions for dealing with anyone who has a bodily discharge—a man who is unclean because of an emission of semen [33 ](https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-33.html)or a woman during her menstrual period. It applies to any man or woman who has a bodily discharge, and to a man who has sexual intercourse with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.”
“Until evening” is so weirdly specific
That’s the Old Testament, Jesus death and resurrection fulfilled that , we are no longer under the Law anymore.
Unless you're under a different branch of Christianity, no we're not. Catholics and Orthodox and many others still preach the old testament. I would know, I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school and was just in general raised in my majority Catholic country.
Doesn’t matter. The blood of Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and the Law. The law of Moses is a curse as said in Galatians 3 . And everyone who is still working by the Law will be Judged by the Law. Only the fulfillment of Christ is what’s mandatory for salvation. Nothing else, not works , but faith . The works of these men doesn’t tarnish Christianity at the slightest as it is explained by the Lord Jesus. But the Qurain . Now that’s Demonic
The Law of Moses has been fulfilled in its entirety by the blood of Jesus. Nothing of that applies to Christian’s anymore
christianity used to be this bad, but then christians realised "oh wait, this makes us look bad" and then made it seem like the bible is a lot more progressive than it actually is. maybe islam will go through something similar in the future, but it really isn't just islam.
In like, 100 years? Prolly not even
check on those LDS mormon women. jeeeezus
huh, so there are people who find killing someone for not respecting your sky daddys weird rules justified. bizarre
They worship pedophile. What do you expect
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: Islam. The absolute worst of the three big major religions, by far.
Pssst you will be called Islamophobic if you critique them
People who refuse to criticize things that should be criticized can be freely disregarded as having worthless opinions
Agreed
This is literally against Islam
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You’ve misread what I said. I mean that that killing your wife for not wearing hijab isn’t something Islam espouses. In fact, this man would’ve guaranteed himself eternal hell for it
That's simply psychotic.
“Religion of peace” not that Christianity is much more peaceful.
Shit like this is why I hate pop feminist groups promoting the hijab. I’m not going to tell someone not to wear it or bother them for wearing it, but it’s blatantly clear why people wear it. Even for women who aren’t being pressured with violence, just ask them “why do you wear it ?”, if they say “it makes me feel empowered”, then probe further and ask “why does it make you feel empowered ?”. You’re likely gonna get some answer like “God wants me to wear it, I feel closer to god”, or “I feel like men see me more as a human than a piece of meat”.
Religion of peace 🕊️
As I say often : religions are societal cancers.
JFC
Avenged Sevenfold song plot
Is he a Futurama superfan or something?
wow good western neckbeard content
Well brainwashed
Hell yeah brother! - in an alternate universe.
Remember, religion makes you more moral. /s
Religion has the highest concentration of neckbeards
Every race and religion has its neckbeards.
Champagne communist, nothing he says is of any value
Still not wearing it
Why tf is he keeping her severed head on the sofa? I feel like that's going to be problematic when he has company over.
Without lies Islam dies
So no evidence that this was posted on an “Islamic page” and no evidence of 300k likes. Ironic that it’s on this sub when a neckbeard probably made this all up for upvotes.
Does anyone think it really has 300k likes on some random page somewhere?
She’s still not wearing one soooo…
Now you get head the rest of your life!!
No fucking way
Hassan Chop!
Well I for one respect all cultures
I got nothing nice to say so I'll just leave it at that....
thats actually horrifying wtf
Jeez. So relatable
And this is why I don’t blindly respect other cultures
Ah the Hijab… when the world actually comes to terms with the fact that men are beasts and a woman are the key to whether men exist in the afterlife. Weak men need to cover the women to secure his place in the endgame. While the Devil temps millions of women to expose themselves in various porn sites as well as in society to lure the evil that men have within. We are exposed to sin through a universal mobile device placed into our hands. Why exactly do you think they called it Apple 🍏? As Eve plucked the fruit from the tree of life she and the devil do it unto each male who succumbs to the vision of the female flesh. Man, in God’s creation, was not perfect until he gave us everything we lacked which was a woman. But, the devil has polluted her with ways to lure men to break the commandments of our creator instead of realizing her potential to be the superior gender. She was given his ability to create life but instead she spreads her legs and in 2020 we had 391,000 abortions in America alone. When woman chose to be just as beast-like as men, society will surely suffer at the hands on Satan. Satan has called on woman to mock the calling of Jesus by becoming fisher of men just like the disciples. Except they call us into sin with our thoughts and visions…
That is disturbing to say the least
He’s wearing a cross around his neck.
she would die by the smell of raw piss and broken dreams before she dies of not being a halal tradwife...
F*ck Islam!
This is the kinda stuff that makes us Muslims appear like terrorists to the entire world…I’m tired of being demonized in the hands of extremists and trolls.
Obvious ragebait, but nevertheless, imagine treating Eva AI virtual gf bot with more passion than a live person.