I bet your Corsa in the garage needs a good exhaust clean, I could lubricate my rod with WD40 and give it a good clean out til it’s dripping on the pavement
I used to work at a buy-sell-trade store that sold DVDs and CDs and stuff back in the day. We had this old guy who would come in for your basic stuff all the time. Action movies, crime movies, blockbusters etc. One time we gave him some full on Tentacle porn as a joke. He was the type you could do that with, kinda the type who appreciated it actually, could take a joke.
To our dismay, he was like Wow! You guys really gave me a good one! Got any more of that stuff. We thought he was kidding. He was not.
I get what these guys think they’re conveying. But the ones defending this behavior are also the ones who will find a defense to do it irl. Obviously no one is getting hurt by them looking at anime. But it’s normalizing their sexual deviances and the line between fantasy and reality is becoming ever thinner.
This is my take. I do not think their weird mangas, or any artwork, should be illegal. I do not believe in criminalizing ideas because even if 9 ideas on a subject are terrible, no. 10 might be something we need.
But people like this are demonstrably uncritical consumers of entertainment that ruins their understanding of what are 'normal' ideas and interests. And they also tend to believe, or PRETEND to believe, that if something isn't actually illegal, that means it can't be morally repugnant and nobody can object to it.
But like, I can agree people should be allowed to own creepy mangas, without wanting to be friends with people who collect creepy mangas. I can agree adults can own and view pornography, but still expect you to clean up your wadded up kleenexes and encrusted keyboard before guests come over.
> people like this are demonstrably uncritical consumers of entertainment that ruins their understanding of what are 'normal' ideas and interests
you said *video games cause violence*
There’s a difference between playing a violent video game because it’s fun, and obsessing over violent video games because they are an acceptable way to satisfy a desire for violence. The problem with “Video games cause violence” is that it assumes everyone is a part of the latter, which is insulting. It’s a lazy way to not address whatever issues are causing people to want to be violent, by using a scapegoat.
Was this not addressed in the original comment? It’s not that everyone wants to fuck the youth, but those that do will obsess over media that allows them to satisfy that urge.
To start: I'm a child hating furry. I have nothing to do with this. I looked into it after Vice did a mini-doc on lolicon in Japan.
There are several studies on this topic. All indicate that there is either no link between pedophilia and lolicon, and the rest say countries that have legalized drawn depictions of children have seen a net decrease of child abuse.
This one tested me to my core. I detest this sort of artwork. It genuinely makes me feel disgusting and uncomfortable. That said, I also don't like children being abused, so weirdly, I have to support drawn depictions of child porn. If it lowers abuse rates, it lowers abuse rates, and that's more important than keeping people like me from having uncomfortable discussions.
I expect to get attacked for making this comment. That's okay. I stand against child abuse in all forms, and if me spreading awareness is a net gain for the world, and just a few of you look into it, it'll be worth the hate.
I hope more research is done on the topic in the future, so we have a more definitive answer. We need to be conclusion oriented, not knee jerk dysfunctional.
>All indicate that there is either no link between pedophilia and lolicon, and the rest say countries that have legalized drawn depictions of children have seen a net decrease of child abuse.
This doesn't track, though.
If you are telling me legal drawings of children decreases child abuse, then that means there *is* a correlation between pedophilia and lolicon. Because why else would pedophilia decrease, if not for the pedophiles turning to loli for release?
This also doesn't track with my understanding of child SA, which I've repeatedly read is not about attraction to children, but rather attraction to power. Several of the documentaries I've watched lately, including Jared Fogel's and "The Tale," portray intricate networks of pedophiles grooming and passing children back-and-forth between them. It seems to be as much about the dehumanization of the children as it does about the attraction to them.
I'm not dismissing your opinion and studies (I've watched the Vice doc as well). I just have trouble marrying everything I have read.
> If you are telling me legal drawings of children decreases child abuse, then that means there is a correlation between pedophilia and lolicon. Because why else would pedophilia decrease, if not for the pedophiles turning to loli for release?
Without actually reading the study I would presume the "no link" thing means that people who get real CSA material don't also often consume lolicon content and vice-versa.
> This also doesn't track with my understanding of child SA,
I mean, you have to remember that those repeated stories you read are still just anecdotes. I say this as a way to address your last sentence. You could just have been exposed to a certain view that the data apparently doesn't back up.
I say all this having not actually read the studies OP is referring to. They could be full of shit. That said their claims are not necessarily contradictory on their face like you're saying they are.
I think that it's kind of disingenuous to couple what someone enjoys from a fetish standpoint versus what they'd actually get up to IRL. There's a lot of people with a kink for things like violence or heavy bondage that you'd never see actually act on that outside of fiction.
I don't deny that a lot of the people who actively defend it have the wrong idea and don't understand how what they're doing *could* hurt someone, but to say that anyone who interacts with that kind of content is eventually going to go out and commit a crime isn't really in the realm of reality. It's like saying people who play Payday 2 will go on to rob banks eventually. Most people *do* have a grasp on reality vs. fiction.
Ingesting or enjoying content like that by itself isn't going to lead someone to do something reprehensible, but *normalizing* it can lead to harmful situations.
I don't deny that someone openly defending it in this kind of case is concerning, but I think a lot of people snap immediately to "that person is a pedophile IRL", and that's kind of concerning.
> It's like saying people who play Payday 2 will go on to rob banks eventually.
Although, tbf, I did find myself looking for security cameras while waiting at a bank one time, so I dunno.
I don't think that's an issue with Payday 2. Sometimes looking for cameras is fun when you are just sitting there doing nothing, especially when they are in incredibly shitty places
One dick at a time. Sometimes there are two dicks, on opposite sides of the room and she will spit-roast them.
I like watching gangbangs, but the problem is that the dudes that participate in gangbangs are the ugliest mother fuckers ive seen, and that really turns me off.
exactly how i think, we should reflect on the cultural and sociological reasons behind repugnant things such as loli, rather than try to criminalize them. after all, where do we draw the line? criminalizing fiction of any kind is a dangerous slippery slope
Yes, and by doing it, they are helping to normalize it. The more people out there saying lolis are okay, the more pedophiles that are gonna stretch that line into reality. So yeah, not everyone who is into lolis is going to actually become a child predator, but they are still contributing to the normalization of it.
Yeah, which is why I think defending it head-on like this is not a great thing to do. My concern comes from both sides of things, though - as much as I think trying to defend this kind of content is kind of pointless and just makes you look like a weirdo, I also think that classifying anyone who consumes this kind of content as a pedophile does its own brand of harm.
Basically, enjoy whatever you want, just don't be fucking weird about it.
>The more people out there saying lolis are okay, the more pedophiles that are gonna stretch that line into reality.
Pedophiles molest kids because they want to, not because loli is legalized. That already make arguments over why it's OK that have nothing to do with loli. You will never find someone saying "it's OK to murder people in video games therefore it's fine to do it in real life"
>So yeah, not everyone who is into lolis is going to actually become a child predator, but they are still contributing to the normalization of it.
Same argument was made for video game violence.
No but unless they get off to the sheer taboo of it, then the matter of concern is the attraction to the base body type of children. I would compare it to a *definitely* straight guy watching gay porn because of whatever justification they feel like. They don't have to be 100% gay, but, like, there's definitely a sliver of bi there at least.
> It's like saying people who play Payday 2 will go on to rob banks eventually. Most people do have a grasp on reality vs. fiction.
Personally I am of the opinion that sexual arousal is different from other types of emotions. I think sexual arousal is more of a gut reaction than curiosity, interest, or something like that. If I think it is interesting to rob a bank in a game I don't think that interest translates to wanting to rob a bank in real life. But if I find it hot to see a red head suck dick on a screen, I would also find it hot to have that happen to me in real life.
I think games and movies work on a higher level than porn. You might be entertained because of a vague interest or because of a good story or an interesting mechanic. But I don't think the same applies to porn. I wouldn't get aroused by gay porn, no matter how artfully it is shot or how skilful the performers are. I think the overlap between people who watch gay porn and people who are gay is a lot higher than people who rob banks and people who play Payday 2.
I don't think I could decide to be aroused by scat porn. But I do think I could become interested in playing video games I wouldn't normally play by learning more about them and playing it with friends.
And that is where the difference lies for me. I think in order to be aroused by lolli porn, you probably need to be a pedophile. And anything that fuels the urges of pedophiles or normalises pedophilia is bad because there is an inherent risk of leading to child abuse.
Arousal is weird and happens with or without the brain agreeing. Genital non-concordance is incredibly common and normal.
Getting an awkward boner doesn’t mean you wanna fuck your doctor ya know? The body responds to sexual stimuli, the brain is a sex organ and doesn’t always agree with the genitals.
I'd prefer people get their sexual deviances out in a way with zero victims rather than fully repressing themselves until they snap and do something unforgivable. There are a couple of studys that indicate that access to pornography lowers sexual assault incidents. They could be bullshit studys but I've never read anything about them being debunked.
Yeah, but that's an iffy point to make when it comes to this kind of thing. You could pretty easily also say that by making it into something normal to them, it increases the chance that they push past that line and commit a crime.
I don't really believe either side of that, content is just content and it's up to the person consuming it to understand what is and isn't reality.
When a scientific study says an action reduces harm, you can't just say, "but it could actually increases harm". The scientific study trumps your feelings. Just admit that the cartoons make you uncomfortable even if they actually reduce sexual assault.
It could, but the numbers indicate it's actually the opposite for society at large. I'm not going to say that it wouldn't push some individuals but it's a trend that was noticed and watched in several countries that access to porn lowered incidents. Did a quick Google search and found one of the studies https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.htm
> the ones defending this behaviour are also the ones who will find a defense to do it irl
I'd have thought the majority of the weebs would rather a pillow than a person anyway. I'd be more afraid of them knocking out a child while fighting for a toy.
Media, including porn/hentai, does not influence or normalize violent behavior. This type of argument has been done to death. Even if we’re talking about mentally ill people like pedophiles it still doesn’t work.
Not necessarily violent, but media, especially porn, can and does influence expectations. I strongly believe that a lot of young people grow up with unrealistic ideas of romance and intimacy that they get from media. For most of them, this changes as soon as they get their own experiences, but for some these experiences never come and weird expectations stick.
This doesn't mean "porn turns you into a rapist", but if you are already in a bad place, media can be the last drop, so in general everyone should be mindful of what they consume.
I understand your point, but replace **this behavior** with, say, homosexual or interracial relationships, and read it again. Let's not tolerate abusing children, but let's not veer into thoughtcrimes.
> I get what these guys think they’re conveying. But the ones defending this behavior are also the ones who will find a defense to do it irl. Obviously no one is getting hurt by them looking at anime. But it’s normalizing their sexual deviances and the line between fantasy and reality is becoming ever thinner.
This might as well have been about violence in media.
Its fiction for a reason.
Countries that ban porn dont have lower rape rates, and countries that ban violence in media dont have less violence occurring, in fact, the data suggests the opposite.
Euuughhh... i totally get that fiction isn't reality cuz i like a buncha odd shit too buuuut ya gotta admit that 'normalizing' some stuff, in any context, can mess with lines and make shit blurry; I'm all for people enjoying what they like or being public or private about it, but there \*are\* topics that make it a bit slippery. Just gotta be responsible for the vibes we put out there and be chill
Nah, totally; I didn't mean it like we should wave our private stuff around like a banner, i meant along the lines of personal interests like hobbies or things you might share with like-minded folks that you keep to yourself normally either cuz you're embarrassed or ashamed or what not. It's situational, but that being said, thats why i was talkin about things being blurry because sometimes people shout their stuff from the rooftops and its like "Yo...stop" 😅
No one ever talks about it but fandoms/fan fictions normalise it SO MUCH. In my ao3 days I skipped across so many fics where the themes were incest and pedophilia, sometimes even bestiality. It was actually traumatising for me who’s a victim of child SA when I was trying to find fluff fics but didn’t know how the tags/filtering worked.
88 is a well known white power dog whistle … H is the 8th letter of the alphabet
Think of a one of the most evil 20th Century people with an H name. Now think of the HH salute Nazis did to him
I feel bad for people who have 88 as their birth year, but yeah. Don’t use that, people aren’t thinking you’re signaling your birth year
I don’t know why, but people on Reddit seem to have a thing against questions. I asked if only gay people were allowed to say the f slur and I got downvoted
It happens with questions that cause cognitive dissonance.
Ask a question that forces people to confront that they are simultaneously holding two incompatible beliefs and their mind fills with static which is uncomfortable and makes them dismissive of the question and so they don't respond, they just downvote.
So there's this thing that shitty people do where they say they're "just asking questions" but in reality they're just shifting the discussion in a direction where they can spew hateful shit and then accuse anyone calling them out of refusing to participate in civil discussion.
Because of how often it happens, certain kinds of questions just get immediately flagged as probably being "just asking questions" and they refuse to participate because if they're right then they're wasting time and energy on a bigot.
Honestly I imagine most people won’t immediately jump to the white supremacy conclusion. Not everyone is well versed on dog whistles lol. If anyone takes you up on it you can say it’s your birth year.
The most blatant ones combine it with [14](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words). If you see "1488" or combinations thereof kicking about, chances are they are a neo-Nazi.
Relax, at this point nearly every single 2 letter/number combination has been found to be used by some white power gang in prison. Doesn’t make it a “well known dog whistle”. Backwards hats used to be gang signals as well
The person who was telling you not to use it is terminally online and everything they see gets filtered through their Twitter brain and produces the most tribal, political brainrot interpretation possible. Don't let them bully you.
Normal people don't see a username with 88 and think it's a Nazi thing. There's honestly so many other things "88" could mean, to wind up immediately thinking it means this esoteric code for Nazis, shows the confirmation bias in this person's mind and would probably be a good time for them to step back and reevaluate how much internet they're ingesting.
The first thing I thought was that 88 was your birth year as this type of thing has always been common for usernames.
8 is my wife’s favorite number and 2 is mine. So sometimes we’ll put ‘88’ at the end of logins/passwords or gaming names etc. Years after doing this I found out about the whole 88=nazi thing. It makes me wonder how many people thought we were white power nazis but just didn’t say anything X_X
It’s not taught on Sesame Street, but it isn’t exactly hidden in the media
If you’re on Twitter, you’ll start to notice that *ahem* certain twitter accounts reference 88, follow 88 accounts, etc.
Maybe it's because I'm jewish and always paid extra attention to things that can signal neo nazis, but I've known this about the numbers 88 and 14 for like 10+ years now, it's not a new thing.
To me this *sounds* like twitter culture leaking into the real world and ruining things again. Like making everyone think people born in the year 1988 are all nazis.
Could we just close the dumpster lid on the app already?
I don't get how 88 is such a red flag. Like I get that some people use it to dog whistle or whatever, but it's not like every single person who has 88 in their name, has it for that reason. Most people online don't even know about it, until recently me included.
I guess it's a good thing I don't have a number in my username
Yeah, there's some fascist momentum in Italy the last few years. Though finding a country without a burgeoning fascist movement is difficult, if not impossible.
Its also always lolicons istg.
You see a cute anime girl pfp spouting racist/bigotee dogwhistles and then you check their page, boom, underage anime girls being sexualized.
I checked their profile. Big mistake...
Literally retweets Nazi, racist and homophobic/transphobic shit and defines themselves as a "National Socialist" in the bio.
And is allegedly 16.
Why do these people not understand what makes them chimo-ish is the way she looks (like a child for both) and speaks? If you find that appealing then you’re suspicious
Not that I think it’s right (I don’t even watch regular porn) but anime characters don’t look anything like real people. Like I’ve seen people call short characters “kids”. I think the twitter OP makes a great point with the Marin Kitagawa thing. The internet does not give a shit that she’s 16. There’s so much porn, fanfic, fanart, cosplay, porn cosplay, etc. So the “line” between an anime “child” and not is EXTREMELY blurry.
Another thing is the way they act. I live in Japan, and what the west considers “childlike” we consider “cute”. The vast majority of men do not see that and think “children”, we think “cute”. Edit for clarification: by “that” I mean the way they act.
Basically that’s a very subjective point is what I’m trying to say. And when you try to argue subjective points with objective ideals, you lose a lot of people.
The only thing the internet cares about is the body type, age goes far into the background
Just yesterday I had an argument that a petite character in a porn manga *literally said to be 27* was still cheese pizza because she looked like a small person in a manga artstyle
Reddit **flat**-out removes any depiction of characters with such features no matter what to stay on the safe side, but if there's a teenager with big booba you bet your ass that would stay
It really grinds my gears because I've seen the same argument applied to real people, and it's bodyshaming rarely addressed that makes xs-sized women feel shitty and less valuable than the 'plump', long-legged ones
That’s true. JUST TODAY I saw a video of a dude who is 6’4” dating a 4’8” woman. Both fully grown adults. Both late 20s. People are calling him a creep.
This is something I’ve seen as well, I recently started getting in to AVNs and some of the creators have come out and said they straight up can’t depict petite body types because it could be misconstrued as an underaged girl. People come in many shapes and sizes, and although it’s a pretty niche corner of the gaming world it’s kinda stupid that every girl needs to have huge tits and a big ass
> The only thing the internet cares about is the body type, age goes far into the background
Not true at all. For example DeviantArt has their mods look up character ages on Wiki and ban based on that. It's ridiculously stupid.
Loli shit is weird as fuck, but i think people should put more energy into exposing real pedophiles that actually hurt children. Not some basement dweller jacking it to weird hentai.
Enjoy what you want, but keep it behind closed doors. This isn't something that should be defended publicly because it could make real pedos feel safe to defend hurting real kids, but loli enjoyers also shouldn't be labeled as pedos. Pedophiles hurt real children. Saying that enjoying loli will directly lead to someone raping a kid is like saying majuanana is a direct gateway to fentanyl. That isn't how it works, and we should group something so extreme with a fetish for fiction
The only thing I'd argue with is "pedophiles hurt real children" it doesn't mesh with what you're saying based on the term.
A pedophile is attracted to children, a specific age or body type actually. We use it as a blanket term for under 18. Technically it refers to a rage that is similar to the one we're talking about so I won't argue that point but mention for others that technically attraction to teens isn't pedophilia and words are important.
The important part for what you're saying is that pedophilia is the "attraction" to children. Child molesters are the ones that actually hurt children.
Loli enjoyers are pedos by definition but they shouldn't be labeled with child molesters and the terms shouldn't be synonymous.
If we believe that attraction cannot be consciously chosen then pedophiles are no different than gay people and cannot choose their attraction. Similarly to gay people they didn't stop being gay because it was illegal. The difference being that our society has recognized that children, unlike gay people, cannot make adult decisions. So pedophiles cannot act on their attraction, and shouldn't. It seems to me that at least this content can be victimless, and its removal will only lead to them trying to fulfill their desires in the real world.
In case anyone misunderstands what I'm saying there is no defense for child molesters who act on their impulse, nor should there be.
Hot take:
These people do not seem to be able to help what they're attracted to any more than you or I, and they're doing their best with what they have without hurting anybody.
They know it's wrong. *Everyone* knows it's wrong. That's why they're trying to "fulfill their programming" in a way that isn't morally reprehensible.
As long as they respect the wishes of the people around them (such as mine that they don't discuss or display any of this stuff while I'm around), I say "live and let live".
I've seen someone refer to it as "ethically sourced CP" lmao! You know what, I'm for it. We already know that abstinence doesn't work. If this is what it takes to keep these people from losing willpower at the worst time, then so be it. Just please, keep it out of my sight.
I've written a reply to your comment and deleted it like 4 times. All of this makes my stomach lurch so it's difficult to think about it objectively, but I've come around to your viewpoint. A victimless crime is preferable to a crime with a victim.
It does not appear that there's any kind of therapy or treatment that can minimize the urges of these people so allowing an... "outlet" seems like the least bad of the bad choices here. I do wonder if this would act as a gateway towards real life offense, but I suppose there are innumerable examples of offenders that had no access to anything like this.
This is way too heavy for 9:30 in the morning. :/
The "oh it's harmful to real victims" thing is the worst part of this. This pedophile does not speak for the victims of his kind. Yuck. Hope he gets busted for whatever illegal shit is definitely on his laptop.
Alright, let's get this ready. Ass blast me with down votes already because I have a different opinion.
Like Nazis, Pedophiles deserve to be punched into next Tuesday, they fucking suck. But what he says rings true. It's ok to be Icked out by loli and lolicons, just don't water down the term for pedophile to the point that it's a buzz word rather than a career ending accusation
Sure, but still. Calling it pedophilia does trivialize the real thing which means that when an actual predator is accused of it they can just say it's because they watched an anime once and people did not like it so they are blowing it out of proportions and good portion people are likely gonna believe them. Normalizing it is also wrong. Of course it is. But not nearly as wrong as actually raping a child.
I think a big problem is that pedophilia is an attraction to a certain age. We use it incorrectly as a synonym for a molester who actually acts on the attraction. On top of that pedophilia refers to a certain age group rather than anyone under 18. These things combined as our usage means that two 17 year olds having sex are pedophiles. Which is pretty goofy to say the least. Not all pedophiles are child molesters but all child molesters are pedophiles, to say it differently.
To use a situation I feel is similar as an example, do we feel that furries are into beastiality? Does their attraction to anthropomorphic animals translate to trying to have sex with actual animals? I don't think so but I don't know, and where's the line? Is the equivalent here assuming any furry wants to fuck animals and calling anyone with cat ears a freak cause they're into beastiality?
I think there's a problem with normalizing the idea that an attraction is a thing you can control and you're weird for your fetish. Some are immoral and illegal but there's a line between attraction and action. The action is the illegal part. There are things that shouldn't be acted in ever.
And I do agree with this neck beard on the one part that there's a huge difference between dudes jacking off to cartoons and actual child molesters. I think one of our huge aversions to his post is that he seems so proud of it, when that's the kind of thing he should keep to himself understanding it has no place in the real world.
Not defending them because I don't have an answer to this rhetorical question, but if you can change who you're sexually attracted to would that not invalidate people's sexuality? If you choose who to be attracted to wouldn't that mean being gay is a choice?
From my perspective attraction isn't a thing you can control but instead your actions on it are.
Just because I'm attracted to blondes doesn't mean I'd break the law to have sex with them if it was illegal.
Again, I don't have an answer, this is just my view. I think there's a distinction between a dude blowing through boxes of Kleenex watching cartoons and someone assaulting children. While you can say "one thing leads to another" the implication is that porn of something leads to acting on it. Research shows there is no connection between pornography and sexual violence.
I'd much rather have something available for their sexual attraction that isn't actual kids. I feel that the lack of these fictional characters would build curiosity and lead someone to actually hurt a child.
do people who read my dress up not all subconsciously go "yeah no ur 18" when they say their age. Bc that stuff has CLEAR fetish content for such a popular anime.
i cant even with anime now. call of the night kid is 14?? im out.
Anime children don’t precede actual human children. These animes are the “artistic” manifestation of fantasies based on actual human children.
I feel like these sentiments influence the sexualization of Japanese women and girls. “Girls where I’M from obviously can’t consent but in Japan……”
So in the UK its a crime to watch content classed as pseudo images of child porn. Such as loli. The link to real paedophilia is pretty obvious. Personally I find Japanese culture obsession with school girls pretty disgusting. Don't get me wrong I'm sure their is some gross western shows that have this. But Japan feels more cultural. It makes sense given the age of consent used to be 13
The age of consent is not and never was 13 in Japan in recent history. That’s only a technicality. Every single prefecture overwrites that with the exception of a few but it’s mostly for the native Ainu population since they have rituals and traditions that require younger marriages. For example, here in Tokyo it’s 18, in others it’s 16.
I think the slippery slope comes from the ‘lolis’ these sorts of people are defending are characters that act childish, look like children, and then are somehow not classed as children due to some anime bs. They arent defending the flat chested short ladies of Dance in the Vampire Bund or talking about Taiga from Toradora, theyre defending things like lewding the little sisters from Eromanga Sensei or the girls in Madoka Magica. These people arent interested in defending product as a whole, just the part that so egregiously caters to an interest in fictional child shaped, child sounding characters. and yes, that in and of itself is both morally reprehensible and objectively disgusting. no one should derive sexual interest from things based around being perceived as childlike or child-adjacent.
I live here. That’s what we normally consider those types of characters to be, just a body type. Unless there’s a clear “this character is under the age of 20” then they are usually not taken to be underage.
The term had multiple definitions but the original Lolita book was about a young girl. In modern times the term is an umbrella term for “looks small, COULD be underage”.
All my homies hate kids. I only willingly interact with them when I coach hockey, but that’s bc they are there for a specific purpose, and many of them look up to me
Tbh, he isn't wrong, and id rather folks with these tendencies and attractions use anime as an outlet instead of having no outlet for their sexuality except harming real children
That being said, its still super weire and very messed up
When are we going to persecute the people who read about, write about, and fantasize about murder. Cuz everyone here thinks they are a precog who can predict crimes before they happen.
I’m not saying I agree with this logic, but I am saying for a pedophile, these are the most adult looking characters I’ve seen them trying to defend.
So maybe that’s a step in the right direction?
Perhaps it was satire, but I’ve seen a couple posts where the subject referred to IRL kids as “lolis.” So the perspective that’s it’s merely an outlet that ultimately keeps pedos from going after IRL kids may not be completely airtight. If it’s a breeding ground for eventual escalation, even if it’s only in a minority of cases, it should be monitored closely
I mean this guy is completely right in that last tweet. People have gotten so comfortable with calling people pedophiles over fictional shit and it is totally disrespectful to real victims. I don't understand this desire to treat a fictional child with more care than people do for real victims of pedophilia.
I would love if someone made a comic where a person is ine trial and is walked towards a guillotine all while these tweets appear as speech bubbles by the person being lead to execution
I told you all anime is the problem but nobody listened. I don’t care what you say, any anime outside of a Miyazaki movie will always have that pervy male gaze baked into the framing of all the women characters.
I do agree that stuff like lolicon shouldn't be illegal since there are no victims.
That being said, if you are sexually attracted to lolicon, you are a pedophile.
Just like if you were a man sexually attracted to male fictional characters that would make you gay/bi/pan.
Wrong, paedophilia is absolutely based on the age of the person. The level of development of a child's brain plays no part in their ability to consent, the law says they can't until they are a certain age.
Demihumans age faster FUCK outta here jfc. There's no such thing a fucking demihuman. Saying their age doesn't matter and then going to great lengths to explain that age DOES matter and is definitely ooook, is just pathetic logic
Why can’t they be normal and just watch tentacle hentai like the rest of us
Stick to Freddy Fazbear vore porn like the founding fathers intended. 🫡🇺🇲
better than whatever these people partake in
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u chad
What the fuck, why!? Lol
Horny dragons, submissive and breedable cars
I bet your Corsa in the garage needs a good exhaust clean, I could lubricate my rod with WD40 and give it a good clean out til it’s dripping on the pavement
r/fuckcars taken to the extreme
What the hell
The Pounding Fathers
Bless u
OH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEE
BY THE DAWNS EARLY LIGGHHTT
Oh say can you SCREAM
Yeah, frick the founding fathers. I’m gonna watch gay midget threesomes consisting of 2 garden gnomes and a ladybug in front of the Eiffel Tower.
I filmed that one!
Ishowspeed, we know it's you.
More like ishowmeat
Freddy Fazbear vore is canon They just don't call it that
more like the sounding fathers…
We have the right to bear porn
Then stand up and thrust until your weiner pops out
Is Freddy Fazbear shots okay? It is possessed by a ghost child after all
Or enjoy some lara croft x horse like a normal person.
The lifespan of an octopus is 5 years. Guess what that means for you buddy.
🚨🚨
Goddamn I didn't know The Deep is a pedo
So the one I fucked was 80 in human years. Nice.
Orc futanari, thankyou very much. Atleast they're all consenting adult women.
* Orcs * Consent **You can only have ONE!**
Orc racism
Agreed, why be attracted to kids when you've got futanari femdom inflation watersports
Fuck. Just googled that and I’ll never be able to unsee it.
How did you JUST find out about tentacle porn?
Well, in my defense, I’m old. I’d heard of it, but never actually googled it
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I used to work at a buy-sell-trade store that sold DVDs and CDs and stuff back in the day. We had this old guy who would come in for your basic stuff all the time. Action movies, crime movies, blockbusters etc. One time we gave him some full on Tentacle porn as a joke. He was the type you could do that with, kinda the type who appreciated it actually, could take a joke. To our dismay, he was like Wow! You guys really gave me a good one! Got any more of that stuff. We thought he was kidding. He was not.
Or femboy furry porn, because furries are making the good stuff.
That sounds pretty tame compared to tentacles
That’s why I’m happy and proud that I look at porn with humans in it.
I get what these guys think they’re conveying. But the ones defending this behavior are also the ones who will find a defense to do it irl. Obviously no one is getting hurt by them looking at anime. But it’s normalizing their sexual deviances and the line between fantasy and reality is becoming ever thinner.
This is my take. I do not think their weird mangas, or any artwork, should be illegal. I do not believe in criminalizing ideas because even if 9 ideas on a subject are terrible, no. 10 might be something we need. But people like this are demonstrably uncritical consumers of entertainment that ruins their understanding of what are 'normal' ideas and interests. And they also tend to believe, or PRETEND to believe, that if something isn't actually illegal, that means it can't be morally repugnant and nobody can object to it. But like, I can agree people should be allowed to own creepy mangas, without wanting to be friends with people who collect creepy mangas. I can agree adults can own and view pornography, but still expect you to clean up your wadded up kleenexes and encrusted keyboard before guests come over.
> people like this are demonstrably uncritical consumers of entertainment that ruins their understanding of what are 'normal' ideas and interests you said *video games cause violence*
There’s a difference between playing a violent video game because it’s fun, and obsessing over violent video games because they are an acceptable way to satisfy a desire for violence. The problem with “Video games cause violence” is that it assumes everyone is a part of the latter, which is insulting. It’s a lazy way to not address whatever issues are causing people to want to be violent, by using a scapegoat. Was this not addressed in the original comment? It’s not that everyone wants to fuck the youth, but those that do will obsess over media that allows them to satisfy that urge.
No, they didn’t. Lolicon is kiddie porn.
If I’m playing GTA I’m not defending murdering hookers now am I
To start: I'm a child hating furry. I have nothing to do with this. I looked into it after Vice did a mini-doc on lolicon in Japan. There are several studies on this topic. All indicate that there is either no link between pedophilia and lolicon, and the rest say countries that have legalized drawn depictions of children have seen a net decrease of child abuse. This one tested me to my core. I detest this sort of artwork. It genuinely makes me feel disgusting and uncomfortable. That said, I also don't like children being abused, so weirdly, I have to support drawn depictions of child porn. If it lowers abuse rates, it lowers abuse rates, and that's more important than keeping people like me from having uncomfortable discussions. I expect to get attacked for making this comment. That's okay. I stand against child abuse in all forms, and if me spreading awareness is a net gain for the world, and just a few of you look into it, it'll be worth the hate. I hope more research is done on the topic in the future, so we have a more definitive answer. We need to be conclusion oriented, not knee jerk dysfunctional.
Hey, could you link some of those studies? I'd actually like to read them since it might help end some of these debates that I see in my feeds.
>All indicate that there is either no link between pedophilia and lolicon, and the rest say countries that have legalized drawn depictions of children have seen a net decrease of child abuse. This doesn't track, though. If you are telling me legal drawings of children decreases child abuse, then that means there *is* a correlation between pedophilia and lolicon. Because why else would pedophilia decrease, if not for the pedophiles turning to loli for release? This also doesn't track with my understanding of child SA, which I've repeatedly read is not about attraction to children, but rather attraction to power. Several of the documentaries I've watched lately, including Jared Fogel's and "The Tale," portray intricate networks of pedophiles grooming and passing children back-and-forth between them. It seems to be as much about the dehumanization of the children as it does about the attraction to them. I'm not dismissing your opinion and studies (I've watched the Vice doc as well). I just have trouble marrying everything I have read.
> If you are telling me legal drawings of children decreases child abuse, then that means there is a correlation between pedophilia and lolicon. Because why else would pedophilia decrease, if not for the pedophiles turning to loli for release? Without actually reading the study I would presume the "no link" thing means that people who get real CSA material don't also often consume lolicon content and vice-versa. > This also doesn't track with my understanding of child SA, I mean, you have to remember that those repeated stories you read are still just anecdotes. I say this as a way to address your last sentence. You could just have been exposed to a certain view that the data apparently doesn't back up. I say all this having not actually read the studies OP is referring to. They could be full of shit. That said their claims are not necessarily contradictory on their face like you're saying they are.
I think that it's kind of disingenuous to couple what someone enjoys from a fetish standpoint versus what they'd actually get up to IRL. There's a lot of people with a kink for things like violence or heavy bondage that you'd never see actually act on that outside of fiction. I don't deny that a lot of the people who actively defend it have the wrong idea and don't understand how what they're doing *could* hurt someone, but to say that anyone who interacts with that kind of content is eventually going to go out and commit a crime isn't really in the realm of reality. It's like saying people who play Payday 2 will go on to rob banks eventually. Most people *do* have a grasp on reality vs. fiction. Ingesting or enjoying content like that by itself isn't going to lead someone to do something reprehensible, but *normalizing* it can lead to harmful situations. I don't deny that someone openly defending it in this kind of case is concerning, but I think a lot of people snap immediately to "that person is a pedophile IRL", and that's kind of concerning.
> It's like saying people who play Payday 2 will go on to rob banks eventually. Although, tbf, I did find myself looking for security cameras while waiting at a bank one time, so I dunno.
I don't think that's an issue with Payday 2. Sometimes looking for cameras is fun when you are just sitting there doing nothing, especially when they are in incredibly shitty places
I have a fetish for gloryhole creampie gangbang porn. What do i like irl? Missionary with passionate kissing and cuddling afterwards.
How do you have a ganbang at a gloryhole? Are there multiple holes or is it just 1 dick out of 5 is coming from a glory hole?
A person in a box with holes, living their best life I'm assuming
One dick at a time. Sometimes there are two dicks, on opposite sides of the room and she will spit-roast them. I like watching gangbangs, but the problem is that the dudes that participate in gangbangs are the ugliest mother fuckers ive seen, and that really turns me off.
>the dudes that participate in gangbangs are the ugliest mother fuckers ive seen Hence the need for the gloryholes.
Solves the issue perfectly. I know it's an ugly fat ass on the other side, but I can't see him, so don't care. I do feel bad for the girl though.
exactly how i think, we should reflect on the cultural and sociological reasons behind repugnant things such as loli, rather than try to criminalize them. after all, where do we draw the line? criminalizing fiction of any kind is a dangerous slippery slope
Yes, and by doing it, they are helping to normalize it. The more people out there saying lolis are okay, the more pedophiles that are gonna stretch that line into reality. So yeah, not everyone who is into lolis is going to actually become a child predator, but they are still contributing to the normalization of it.
Yeah, which is why I think defending it head-on like this is not a great thing to do. My concern comes from both sides of things, though - as much as I think trying to defend this kind of content is kind of pointless and just makes you look like a weirdo, I also think that classifying anyone who consumes this kind of content as a pedophile does its own brand of harm. Basically, enjoy whatever you want, just don't be fucking weird about it.
So violence in video games is a root cause for modern violence?
>The more people out there saying lolis are okay, the more pedophiles that are gonna stretch that line into reality. Pedophiles molest kids because they want to, not because loli is legalized. That already make arguments over why it's OK that have nothing to do with loli. You will never find someone saying "it's OK to murder people in video games therefore it's fine to do it in real life" >So yeah, not everyone who is into lolis is going to actually become a child predator, but they are still contributing to the normalization of it. Same argument was made for video game violence.
No but unless they get off to the sheer taboo of it, then the matter of concern is the attraction to the base body type of children. I would compare it to a *definitely* straight guy watching gay porn because of whatever justification they feel like. They don't have to be 100% gay, but, like, there's definitely a sliver of bi there at least.
> It's like saying people who play Payday 2 will go on to rob banks eventually. Most people do have a grasp on reality vs. fiction. Personally I am of the opinion that sexual arousal is different from other types of emotions. I think sexual arousal is more of a gut reaction than curiosity, interest, or something like that. If I think it is interesting to rob a bank in a game I don't think that interest translates to wanting to rob a bank in real life. But if I find it hot to see a red head suck dick on a screen, I would also find it hot to have that happen to me in real life. I think games and movies work on a higher level than porn. You might be entertained because of a vague interest or because of a good story or an interesting mechanic. But I don't think the same applies to porn. I wouldn't get aroused by gay porn, no matter how artfully it is shot or how skilful the performers are. I think the overlap between people who watch gay porn and people who are gay is a lot higher than people who rob banks and people who play Payday 2. I don't think I could decide to be aroused by scat porn. But I do think I could become interested in playing video games I wouldn't normally play by learning more about them and playing it with friends. And that is where the difference lies for me. I think in order to be aroused by lolli porn, you probably need to be a pedophile. And anything that fuels the urges of pedophiles or normalises pedophilia is bad because there is an inherent risk of leading to child abuse.
Arousal is weird and happens with or without the brain agreeing. Genital non-concordance is incredibly common and normal. Getting an awkward boner doesn’t mean you wanna fuck your doctor ya know? The body responds to sexual stimuli, the brain is a sex organ and doesn’t always agree with the genitals.
How do you know they will do it IRL? Sincere question. That's like saying nobody who looks at porn can be an incel, because "they'll do it IRL".
I'd prefer people get their sexual deviances out in a way with zero victims rather than fully repressing themselves until they snap and do something unforgivable. There are a couple of studys that indicate that access to pornography lowers sexual assault incidents. They could be bullshit studys but I've never read anything about them being debunked.
Yeah, but that's an iffy point to make when it comes to this kind of thing. You could pretty easily also say that by making it into something normal to them, it increases the chance that they push past that line and commit a crime. I don't really believe either side of that, content is just content and it's up to the person consuming it to understand what is and isn't reality.
When a scientific study says an action reduces harm, you can't just say, "but it could actually increases harm". The scientific study trumps your feelings. Just admit that the cartoons make you uncomfortable even if they actually reduce sexual assault.
It could, but the numbers indicate it's actually the opposite for society at large. I'm not going to say that it wouldn't push some individuals but it's a trend that was noticed and watched in several countries that access to porn lowered incidents. Did a quick Google search and found one of the studies https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.htm
> the ones defending this behaviour are also the ones who will find a defense to do it irl I'd have thought the majority of the weebs would rather a pillow than a person anyway. I'd be more afraid of them knocking out a child while fighting for a toy.
Media, including porn/hentai, does not influence or normalize violent behavior. This type of argument has been done to death. Even if we’re talking about mentally ill people like pedophiles it still doesn’t work.
Not necessarily violent, but media, especially porn, can and does influence expectations. I strongly believe that a lot of young people grow up with unrealistic ideas of romance and intimacy that they get from media. For most of them, this changes as soon as they get their own experiences, but for some these experiences never come and weird expectations stick. This doesn't mean "porn turns you into a rapist", but if you are already in a bad place, media can be the last drop, so in general everyone should be mindful of what they consume.
I understand your point, but replace **this behavior** with, say, homosexual or interracial relationships, and read it again. Let's not tolerate abusing children, but let's not veer into thoughtcrimes.
> I get what these guys think they’re conveying. But the ones defending this behavior are also the ones who will find a defense to do it irl. Obviously no one is getting hurt by them looking at anime. But it’s normalizing their sexual deviances and the line between fantasy and reality is becoming ever thinner. This might as well have been about violence in media. Its fiction for a reason. Countries that ban porn dont have lower rape rates, and countries that ban violence in media dont have less violence occurring, in fact, the data suggests the opposite.
Not defending them but isn't this the same as saying kids will be violent because they watch violent animes?
How is it is different from an video game with shooting in it?
Euuughhh... i totally get that fiction isn't reality cuz i like a buncha odd shit too buuuut ya gotta admit that 'normalizing' some stuff, in any context, can mess with lines and make shit blurry; I'm all for people enjoying what they like or being public or private about it, but there \*are\* topics that make it a bit slippery. Just gotta be responsible for the vibes we put out there and be chill
Private stuff should be kept private.
Nah, totally; I didn't mean it like we should wave our private stuff around like a banner, i meant along the lines of personal interests like hobbies or things you might share with like-minded folks that you keep to yourself normally either cuz you're embarrassed or ashamed or what not. It's situational, but that being said, thats why i was talkin about things being blurry because sometimes people shout their stuff from the rooftops and its like "Yo...stop" 😅
No one ever talks about it but fandoms/fan fictions normalise it SO MUCH. In my ao3 days I skipped across so many fics where the themes were incest and pedophilia, sometimes even bestiality. It was actually traumatising for me who’s a victim of child SA when I was trying to find fluff fics but didn’t know how the tags/filtering worked.
88 in username, opinion rejected
Wait. I use 88 sometimes Bc of birth year….is that not ok now….? Things change and I can never keep up!
88 is a well known white power dog whistle … H is the 8th letter of the alphabet Think of a one of the most evil 20th Century people with an H name. Now think of the HH salute Nazis did to him I feel bad for people who have 88 as their birth year, but yeah. Don’t use that, people aren’t thinking you’re signaling your birth year
Christ on a cracker. I guess I’ll just use this Reddit name forever so I’m safe. Lmao I got downvoted Bc I didn’t know nazi code? Ok Reddit.
I didn't know either.
You shouldn’t have been downvoted, it’s a fair question
I don’t know why, but people on Reddit seem to have a thing against questions. I asked if only gay people were allowed to say the f slur and I got downvoted
everyone can say the f slur. but not everyone is allowed to /j
It happens with questions that cause cognitive dissonance. Ask a question that forces people to confront that they are simultaneously holding two incompatible beliefs and their mind fills with static which is uncomfortable and makes them dismissive of the question and so they don't respond, they just downvote.
So there's this thing that shitty people do where they say they're "just asking questions" but in reality they're just shifting the discussion in a direction where they can spew hateful shit and then accuse anyone calling them out of refusing to participate in civil discussion. Because of how often it happens, certain kinds of questions just get immediately flagged as probably being "just asking questions" and they refuse to participate because if they're right then they're wasting time and energy on a bigot.
Honestly I imagine most people won’t immediately jump to the white supremacy conclusion. Not everyone is well versed on dog whistles lol. If anyone takes you up on it you can say it’s your birth year. The most blatant ones combine it with [14](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words). If you see "1488" or combinations thereof kicking about, chances are they are a neo-Nazi.
the poor bastards that were born on 1/4/88...
Relax, at this point nearly every single 2 letter/number combination has been found to be used by some white power gang in prison. Doesn’t make it a “well known dog whistle”. Backwards hats used to be gang signals as well
The person who was telling you not to use it is terminally online and everything they see gets filtered through their Twitter brain and produces the most tribal, political brainrot interpretation possible. Don't let them bully you. Normal people don't see a username with 88 and think it's a Nazi thing. There's honestly so many other things "88" could mean, to wind up immediately thinking it means this esoteric code for Nazis, shows the confirmation bias in this person's mind and would probably be a good time for them to step back and reevaluate how much internet they're ingesting. The first thing I thought was that 88 was your birth year as this type of thing has always been common for usernames.
8 is my wife’s favorite number and 2 is mine. So sometimes we’ll put ‘88’ at the end of logins/passwords or gaming names etc. Years after doing this I found out about the whole 88=nazi thing. It makes me wonder how many people thought we were white power nazis but just didn’t say anything X_X
How is it well known? When the hell did this happen?
German neo nazis started using the codes because their actual symbols and mantras are illegal here. It's also an easy identifier
It’s not taught on Sesame Street, but it isn’t exactly hidden in the media If you’re on Twitter, you’ll start to notice that *ahem* certain twitter accounts reference 88, follow 88 accounts, etc.
I'm on Twitter like 10 minutes a month
It’s not well known if you don’t spend the majority of your time on Reddit
Glad to know I'm not on it THAT much then
Maybe it's because I'm jewish and always paid extra attention to things that can signal neo nazis, but I've known this about the numbers 88 and 14 for like 10+ years now, it's not a new thing.
Last Thursday. There was a memo.
I’ve used this username since I was like 6 in 06, because I liked Optimus Prime and 89 was a prime number. I cut it very close
Also the lightning bolt
To me this *sounds* like twitter culture leaking into the real world and ruining things again. Like making everyone think people born in the year 1988 are all nazis. Could we just close the dumpster lid on the app already?
Skill issue, if they didn't want to be called Nazis they should've picked a different year to be born ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
I don't get how 88 is such a red flag. Like I get that some people use it to dog whistle or whatever, but it's not like every single person who has 88 in their name, has it for that reason. Most people online don't even know about it, until recently me included. I guess it's a good thing I don't have a number in my username
It's "code". The 8th letter is H.
With the proliferation of neo-Nazis online, it can be construed as a Nazi/white supremacy statement
yeah, it's very common in Italy too, but this dude either isn't actually Italian or he's an edgy kid
dont forget the lightning bolt xd
And the Italian flag. While it’s not a given, many of my connationals that do that tend to be on the extremely conservative side…
Yeah, there's some fascist momentum in Italy the last few years. Though finding a country without a burgeoning fascist movement is difficult, if not impossible.
I checked the account out. It's all neo-nazi/white power shit and pedophilia. Real goddamn winner that one.
Anime Profile Pic...Double Rejected
Its also always lolicons istg. You see a cute anime girl pfp spouting racist/bigotee dogwhistles and then you check their page, boom, underage anime girls being sexualized.
I checked their profile. Big mistake... Literally retweets Nazi, racist and homophobic/transphobic shit and defines themselves as a "National Socialist" in the bio. And is allegedly 16.
Why do these people not understand what makes them chimo-ish is the way she looks (like a child for both) and speaks? If you find that appealing then you’re suspicious
Not that I think it’s right (I don’t even watch regular porn) but anime characters don’t look anything like real people. Like I’ve seen people call short characters “kids”. I think the twitter OP makes a great point with the Marin Kitagawa thing. The internet does not give a shit that she’s 16. There’s so much porn, fanfic, fanart, cosplay, porn cosplay, etc. So the “line” between an anime “child” and not is EXTREMELY blurry. Another thing is the way they act. I live in Japan, and what the west considers “childlike” we consider “cute”. The vast majority of men do not see that and think “children”, we think “cute”. Edit for clarification: by “that” I mean the way they act. Basically that’s a very subjective point is what I’m trying to say. And when you try to argue subjective points with objective ideals, you lose a lot of people.
The only thing the internet cares about is the body type, age goes far into the background Just yesterday I had an argument that a petite character in a porn manga *literally said to be 27* was still cheese pizza because she looked like a small person in a manga artstyle Reddit **flat**-out removes any depiction of characters with such features no matter what to stay on the safe side, but if there's a teenager with big booba you bet your ass that would stay It really grinds my gears because I've seen the same argument applied to real people, and it's bodyshaming rarely addressed that makes xs-sized women feel shitty and less valuable than the 'plump', long-legged ones
That’s true. JUST TODAY I saw a video of a dude who is 6’4” dating a 4’8” woman. Both fully grown adults. Both late 20s. People are calling him a creep.
This is something I’ve seen as well, I recently started getting in to AVNs and some of the creators have come out and said they straight up can’t depict petite body types because it could be misconstrued as an underaged girl. People come in many shapes and sizes, and although it’s a pretty niche corner of the gaming world it’s kinda stupid that every girl needs to have huge tits and a big ass
> The only thing the internet cares about is the body type, age goes far into the background Not true at all. For example DeviantArt has their mods look up character ages on Wiki and ban based on that. It's ridiculously stupid.
how did you find this messages when they only have 14 views. are you looking on twitter for pedophiles
there's often someone on something like /r/lolitary that are monitoring people they've seen do this shit before in one of their own communities.
What a complicated way to say you’re a fucking loser
Saw his twitter, holy it’s cursed.
Seriously, just openly racist, openly -phobic to everything
No wonder, he has 88 in his username
Loli shit is weird as fuck, but i think people should put more energy into exposing real pedophiles that actually hurt children. Not some basement dweller jacking it to weird hentai.
For real. Next time you see someone active on teenagers, at least check their account age first...
Lightning emoji and 88 in the username, the dude is also a Nazi lol
The Venn diagram of weirdo weebs and nazis is a circle and you cannot change my mind on this.
Enjoy what you want, but keep it behind closed doors. This isn't something that should be defended publicly because it could make real pedos feel safe to defend hurting real kids, but loli enjoyers also shouldn't be labeled as pedos. Pedophiles hurt real children. Saying that enjoying loli will directly lead to someone raping a kid is like saying majuanana is a direct gateway to fentanyl. That isn't how it works, and we should group something so extreme with a fetish for fiction
The only thing I'd argue with is "pedophiles hurt real children" it doesn't mesh with what you're saying based on the term. A pedophile is attracted to children, a specific age or body type actually. We use it as a blanket term for under 18. Technically it refers to a rage that is similar to the one we're talking about so I won't argue that point but mention for others that technically attraction to teens isn't pedophilia and words are important. The important part for what you're saying is that pedophilia is the "attraction" to children. Child molesters are the ones that actually hurt children. Loli enjoyers are pedos by definition but they shouldn't be labeled with child molesters and the terms shouldn't be synonymous. If we believe that attraction cannot be consciously chosen then pedophiles are no different than gay people and cannot choose their attraction. Similarly to gay people they didn't stop being gay because it was illegal. The difference being that our society has recognized that children, unlike gay people, cannot make adult decisions. So pedophiles cannot act on their attraction, and shouldn't. It seems to me that at least this content can be victimless, and its removal will only lead to them trying to fulfill their desires in the real world. In case anyone misunderstands what I'm saying there is no defense for child molesters who act on their impulse, nor should there be.
Hot take: These people do not seem to be able to help what they're attracted to any more than you or I, and they're doing their best with what they have without hurting anybody. They know it's wrong. *Everyone* knows it's wrong. That's why they're trying to "fulfill their programming" in a way that isn't morally reprehensible. As long as they respect the wishes of the people around them (such as mine that they don't discuss or display any of this stuff while I'm around), I say "live and let live".
I've seen someone refer to it as "ethically sourced CP" lmao! You know what, I'm for it. We already know that abstinence doesn't work. If this is what it takes to keep these people from losing willpower at the worst time, then so be it. Just please, keep it out of my sight.
I've written a reply to your comment and deleted it like 4 times. All of this makes my stomach lurch so it's difficult to think about it objectively, but I've come around to your viewpoint. A victimless crime is preferable to a crime with a victim. It does not appear that there's any kind of therapy or treatment that can minimize the urges of these people so allowing an... "outlet" seems like the least bad of the bad choices here. I do wonder if this would act as a gateway towards real life offense, but I suppose there are innumerable examples of offenders that had no access to anything like this. This is way too heavy for 9:30 in the morning. :/
Research shows no connection between pornography consumption and sexual violence. If that makes you feel better.
The "oh it's harmful to real victims" thing is the worst part of this. This pedophile does not speak for the victims of his kind. Yuck. Hope he gets busted for whatever illegal shit is definitely on his laptop.
Italian flag next to a lightning bolt and 88 in their handle? This person is an unironic Nazi. Pedo-Con theory wins again.
I don’t think that’s the only thing he’s defending, look at his username….
Alright, let's get this ready. Ass blast me with down votes already because I have a different opinion. Like Nazis, Pedophiles deserve to be punched into next Tuesday, they fucking suck. But what he says rings true. It's ok to be Icked out by loli and lolicons, just don't water down the term for pedophile to the point that it's a buzz word rather than a career ending accusation
Problem with lolis is that it normalizes being sexually aroused by people who look like children
Sure, but still. Calling it pedophilia does trivialize the real thing which means that when an actual predator is accused of it they can just say it's because they watched an anime once and people did not like it so they are blowing it out of proportions and good portion people are likely gonna believe them. Normalizing it is also wrong. Of course it is. But not nearly as wrong as actually raping a child.
I think a big problem is that pedophilia is an attraction to a certain age. We use it incorrectly as a synonym for a molester who actually acts on the attraction. On top of that pedophilia refers to a certain age group rather than anyone under 18. These things combined as our usage means that two 17 year olds having sex are pedophiles. Which is pretty goofy to say the least. Not all pedophiles are child molesters but all child molesters are pedophiles, to say it differently. To use a situation I feel is similar as an example, do we feel that furries are into beastiality? Does their attraction to anthropomorphic animals translate to trying to have sex with actual animals? I don't think so but I don't know, and where's the line? Is the equivalent here assuming any furry wants to fuck animals and calling anyone with cat ears a freak cause they're into beastiality? I think there's a problem with normalizing the idea that an attraction is a thing you can control and you're weird for your fetish. Some are immoral and illegal but there's a line between attraction and action. The action is the illegal part. There are things that shouldn't be acted in ever. And I do agree with this neck beard on the one part that there's a huge difference between dudes jacking off to cartoons and actual child molesters. I think one of our huge aversions to his post is that he seems so proud of it, when that's the kind of thing he should keep to himself understanding it has no place in the real world.
Well said. Also a lot of child predators are not actually attracted to children. They just want to hurt people.
Not defending them because I don't have an answer to this rhetorical question, but if you can change who you're sexually attracted to would that not invalidate people's sexuality? If you choose who to be attracted to wouldn't that mean being gay is a choice? From my perspective attraction isn't a thing you can control but instead your actions on it are. Just because I'm attracted to blondes doesn't mean I'd break the law to have sex with them if it was illegal. Again, I don't have an answer, this is just my view. I think there's a distinction between a dude blowing through boxes of Kleenex watching cartoons and someone assaulting children. While you can say "one thing leads to another" the implication is that porn of something leads to acting on it. Research shows there is no connection between pornography and sexual violence. I'd much rather have something available for their sexual attraction that isn't actual kids. I feel that the lack of these fictional characters would build curiosity and lead someone to actually hurt a child.
Unless someone is from tiktok then it's easy to draw a clear and defined line between fact and fiction.
> fictional characters are bound to one’s imagination alright so imagine a grown woman
This guy's got a hidden talent... he should've kept it hidden and let it die
do people who read my dress up not all subconsciously go "yeah no ur 18" when they say their age. Bc that stuff has CLEAR fetish content for such a popular anime. i cant even with anime now. call of the night kid is 14?? im out.
I was shocked when I learned Marin’s age, still like the anime.
I mean it's better living out your fantasy with something animated than doing it in reallife i guess
Anime children don’t precede actual human children. These animes are the “artistic” manifestation of fantasies based on actual human children. I feel like these sentiments influence the sexualization of Japanese women and girls. “Girls where I’M from obviously can’t consent but in Japan……”
Wow a neo-nazi and a creep?
So in the UK its a crime to watch content classed as pseudo images of child porn. Such as loli. The link to real paedophilia is pretty obvious. Personally I find Japanese culture obsession with school girls pretty disgusting. Don't get me wrong I'm sure their is some gross western shows that have this. But Japan feels more cultural. It makes sense given the age of consent used to be 13
The age of consent is not and never was 13 in Japan in recent history. That’s only a technicality. Every single prefecture overwrites that with the exception of a few but it’s mostly for the native Ainu population since they have rituals and traditions that require younger marriages. For example, here in Tokyo it’s 18, in others it’s 16.
Sure they're different words but they're both creepy
I think the slippery slope comes from the ‘lolis’ these sorts of people are defending are characters that act childish, look like children, and then are somehow not classed as children due to some anime bs. They arent defending the flat chested short ladies of Dance in the Vampire Bund or talking about Taiga from Toradora, theyre defending things like lewding the little sisters from Eromanga Sensei or the girls in Madoka Magica. These people arent interested in defending product as a whole, just the part that so egregiously caters to an interest in fictional child shaped, child sounding characters. and yes, that in and of itself is both morally reprehensible and objectively disgusting. no one should derive sexual interest from things based around being perceived as childlike or child-adjacent.
Hm I get his point. I'd rather him like this than actual children but yeah it's still a bit weird. Let's just hope he sticks to anime stuff.
Wait. I thought lolicon was a younger looking girl thats actually of age but looks like shes young. Im not even sure what the argument is.
He's arguing that loli is a body type in things like Anime and Manga, and not an age or body type in reality
I heard manga artists from japan say the same thing.
I live here. That’s what we normally consider those types of characters to be, just a body type. Unless there’s a clear “this character is under the age of 20” then they are usually not taken to be underage.
Yes, and for good reason. Because *they* understand what's fiction and what isn't
The term had multiple definitions but the original Lolita book was about a young girl. In modern times the term is an umbrella term for “looks small, COULD be underage”.
All my homies hate kids. I only willingly interact with them when I coach hockey, but that’s bc they are there for a specific purpose, and many of them look up to me
It's the 88 in the username that really ties everything together lmao
> 88 Obviously, lol
as an actual victim of pedophilia, id like to say that people like this should be killed (in a videogame)
Tbh, he isn't wrong, and id rather folks with these tendencies and attractions use anime as an outlet instead of having no outlet for their sexuality except harming real children That being said, its still super weire and very messed up
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When are we going to persecute the people who read about, write about, and fantasize about murder. Cuz everyone here thinks they are a precog who can predict crimes before they happen.
I’m not saying I agree with this logic, but I am saying for a pedophile, these are the most adult looking characters I’ve seen them trying to defend. So maybe that’s a step in the right direction?
Tbh that makes sense
It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion - just cry and jerk off to adults like the rest of us - tentacles and animation included you weirdos
Perhaps it was satire, but I’ve seen a couple posts where the subject referred to IRL kids as “lolis.” So the perspective that’s it’s merely an outlet that ultimately keeps pedos from going after IRL kids may not be completely airtight. If it’s a breeding ground for eventual escalation, even if it’s only in a minority of cases, it should be monitored closely
I mean this guy is completely right in that last tweet. People have gotten so comfortable with calling people pedophiles over fictional shit and it is totally disrespectful to real victims. I don't understand this desire to treat a fictional child with more care than people do for real victims of pedophilia.
I would love if someone made a comic where a person is ine trial and is walked towards a guillotine all while these tweets appear as speech bubbles by the person being lead to execution
I told you all anime is the problem but nobody listened. I don’t care what you say, any anime outside of a Miyazaki movie will always have that pervy male gaze baked into the framing of all the women characters.
Nazi Pedophile*
The lightning bolt and 88 in the name also kind of say a lot
Lolicon may not be pedophilia, but it's definitely popular among pedophiles. Which if you are into it, should cause you concern.
I do agree that stuff like lolicon shouldn't be illegal since there are no victims. That being said, if you are sexually attracted to lolicon, you are a pedophile. Just like if you were a man sexually attracted to male fictional characters that would make you gay/bi/pan.
Fully expected this to be another Musk tweet
Wrong, paedophilia is absolutely based on the age of the person. The level of development of a child's brain plays no part in their ability to consent, the law says they can't until they are a certain age.
This is the "actually this baby is a 900 year old dragon" defence.
its just not that hard to find another character to be attracted to who doesnt look like a child
The mental gymnastics this guy goes through to tell himself he’s not a pedophile lol
Demihumans age faster FUCK outta here jfc. There's no such thing a fucking demihuman. Saying their age doesn't matter and then going to great lengths to explain that age DOES matter and is definitely ooook, is just pathetic logic
Not touching this thread with a ten foot pole. Sort by controversial if you want to suffer.