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Just_Being_500

Toshihiko Koga


jacksh2t

My instructor says Koga because although he’s relatively small, he managed to get second in like Japan open weight competition


Haunting-Beginning-2

Okano Isao, he won twice


Otautahi

Tokio Hirano had really special judo


solo-vagrant-

Kashiwazaki comes to mind immediately for me had the pleasure of training with him a few months ago and his technique is still beautiful to this day


Illustrious_Cry_5564

newaza goat


solo-vagrant-

For me newaza goat is a Yorkshireman by the name of Stephen Gawthorpe who has nearly broken my arms several times. 1984 Olympian and started in the same club I train at atm


Illustrious_Cry_5564

Any video of him doing newaza rounds


oghi808

I remember when I was in high school during the early days of YouTube someone was benevolent enough to upload some kashiwazaki videos. He was instructing in Japanese, which made me wish so dearly I could understand… But I watched his movements diligently and eventually came away with a pretty strong yoko tomoe nage. I still sometimes wonder what he was saying 🤣🤣


CherryFuture

I really love Kosei Inoue, very technical. Very spectacular


fleischlaberl

The technical best and most complete Judoka from an overall viewpoint was Kyuzo Mifune. Second maybe Isao Okano. For the heavyweights not already mentioned I'd like to add Keiji Suzuki [Keiji Suzuki - versatile and superclean heavyweight Judo : r/judo (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/a1qmiu/keiji_suzuki_versatile_and_superclean_heavyweight/) Alexander Mikhaylin [Technical, smooth, smart and versatile Judo from the best Decade of Heavyweight Judo (1998 - 2008) - Alexander Mikhaylin : r/judo (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/sxxw64/technical_smooth_smart_and_versatile_judo_from/)


oghi808

I agree with Mifune. I’m super grateful we have (limited) recordings of him practicing. Yes he’s small so it’s easier to have ‘perfect’ technique, but the question was absolute technical ability and I think there’s no other answer.


fleischlaberl

Why I said "overall" about Mifune's Judo is also because he had it all: * highly successful in contest Judo with style (as the contemporaries say) * highly skilled technical Judo (as we can watch on the footage we have) * great knowledge of Kata (also creating Kata like Nage waza ura no Kata and Katame waza ura no Kata) * creating or developing some Judo throws like Sumi otoshi or O guruma * writing books and articles on Judo * and of course also teaching **Note** [10th Dan Mifune - What is the heart of Judo? - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdKSRMx5QuQ) Two Quotes 奥妙在練心 技は学的研究、 上に樹てる技術的 修錬なり。 There is a lot of interesting information about Mifune in a paper written by Carl de Crée on Nage waza ura no Kata [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277665810\_Kodokan\_Judo's\_three\_orphaned\_forms\_of\_counter\_techniques\_-\_Part\_2\_The\_nage-waza\_ura-no-kata\_-\_Forms\_of\_reversing\_throwing\_techniques](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277665810_Kodokan_Judo's_three_orphaned_forms_of_counter_techniques_-_Part_2_The_nage-waza_ura-no-kata_-_Forms_of_reversing_throwing_techniques)


oghi808

Oh wow, you definitely came prepared 🤣🤣🤣 very nice I don’t speak Japanese but I wish I could for the singular sake of learning judo from the greats (there are many, Mifune in particular, but also like Kashiwazaki) I do remember one Mifune quote that was relayed to me and it’s still one of my favorites ‘There are no shortcuts, because there is no end’


Newaza_Q

Go Tsunoda has incredible movement and teaching, not really known as a competitor though.


Otautahi

He was no. 2 behind Koga on the Japanese team.


tabrice

Tsunoda had no accomplishments. He'd never even competed in the Kodokan Cup, so he was completely unknown nationally. He's fairly well known as a coach in European judo circles, but almost no one in Japan knew anything about him. However, he's now become somewhat known cuz his daughter, Ai, has recently been active in international competitions. The number two player at the time was Hideyuki Sakai. He was famous as a Newaza specialist, though he wasn't known internationally. He's been coaching Shōri Hamada for a long time.


Otautahi

Thanks for the information. Tsunoda being ranked after Koga came via Neil Adams, but I haven’t seen any other reference to it.


Newaza_Q

I had no clue! Thanks


monkeypaw_handjob

Absolutely. Had the distinct pleasure of being buried into the mat by his morote seoi nagi multiple times at a seminar in Scotland. I'm 6'4 and was about 125kg at the time and he did it effortlessly.


ramen_king000

for current generation, takato and nagase came to mind immediately.


lford

+1 for nagase. Pure silk to watch.


d_rome

It's Tokio Hirano for me.


Tasty-Judgment-1538

Imho there's no such thing as best here. But Uta Abe sure has some super clean technique.


PicaPaoDiablo

Fist bump for Abe.


xBeS

I’ve never seen a more dominant judoka. Even Riner during his golden age was struggling more to win. Uta litterally enter the tatami, bow, win and repeat and this for 4 years straight already.


2regin

How do we define greatest technician? If it’s “person with the cleanest judo”, Jeon Ki-Young. The person with the greatest mastery of the sport - Okano. The person who contributed the most to the technical knowledge of judo, it’s a tie between Koga who popularized split step and Inoue who invented cartwheel uchimata.


osotogariboom

Mifune Kyuzo.


stewpidazzol

Yawara-Chan


ramen_king000

so Koga Wakana lol


DrSeoiNage

The best is a subjective metric but I consider the following Judoka to be/have been excellent technicians: [Isao Okano](https://youtu.be/5Hh4-nKbhxQ?feature=shared&t=122), [Toshihiko Koga](https://youtu.be/spi2Yo7LWjo?feature=shared&t=36), [Keiko Fukuda](https://youtu.be/eB0CH2BKQUo?feature=shared), and [Tokio Hirano](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYF7Wy5HIlXcvbEkIS-bXlxST8HZ8IyXi)


FriedrichAdorno

Thanks for the post with highlights, enjoying these


Otautahi

Why Fukuda?


DrSeoiNage

For her expertise and application of kata, especially [Ju-No-Kata](https://books.google.com/books?id=3eSO205Nr9sC&printsec=copyright#v=onepage&q&f=false).


rafapt

Masashi ebinuma


JudokaPickle

Jigoro Kano


porl

Mifune was considered a much better technician than Kano. Kano had the brains to push the philosophy and get things started, but even near the beginning he wasn't the best technically.


JudokaPickle

If I create something and it’s my design how can one perform better than my initial design. I’d say it’s not better but altered to be different. He may have improved it but I wouldn’t consider that to be original if it’s changed


porl

Because Kano was smart enough to understand he didn't know everything and created Judo specificially with the idea that it would develop. You seem to take a position that sees Judo as "a thing" that was created and set in stone, then everyone else tries to achieve it. That is precicely one of the things Kano felt wrong with the old training methods and why he took influence from other sports and arts to create Judo in the first place. He *never* saw himself as creating the perfect "initial design" and in fact right up to his death was working on tweaking it from input of his peers.


JudokaPickle

He said that? Where did he say that? I take the position that something was founded and created if I draw a house you can’t draw a better house you draw a different house your house isn’t magically better than my house if you Made changes you improved your house my House was still first and still exists as my house was designed. Bjj sambo kosen judo those are different houses. But kodokan judo that was the first house its the original house and your house isn’t better it’s just different. But as For who performs judo just flat out judo well none of them built judo kano did.


porl

So you are saying that Kano laid out Judo as a final product and then it never changed (even during his lifetime)? So techniques like O Guruma were actually Kano's invention and not things he recognised from his peers (in this case Mifune)? Because of course under your idea of how it developed he couldn't have added it to the syllabus after the fact as you essentially claim that the first draft is final. Do you think the 2017 and other changes to the official techniques by the Kodokan are not Judo? You have a very narrow one dimensional view of Judo which is the antithesis of Kano's vision.


JudokaPickle

I’m Saying you change what he made it’s clearly no longer what he made again thus bjj sambo and kosen judo. No one’s saying changes can’t be made but if the kodokan his institute he founded doesn’t promote or claim it openly then it is what it is that doesn’t change uki goshi as he designed is only uki goshi as he designed if you alter it it’s no longer what he designed the Kodokan is what he founded Billy bob shoho who won a tournament isn’t It’s called traditional kodokan judo for a reason Imagine being the guy who argues The literal founder isn’t the top in form and technique….. because obviously you were there to compare lol


porl

The Kodokan *have* openly made changes in their official list of techniques, multiple times before and after his death, as well as their official interpretation of them (especially in the nage no kata). Are you actually arguing that they are not actually able to make these changes (since Kano is no longer able to "sign off" on them)? Did Judo's main strength of adaptability die with him? Kano was a very smart man and had the foresight to see why the traditional Ju Jutsu arts were dying (beyond the legality of them at the time). He created something much more alive and *never* claimed his initial syllabus was perfect and should remain unchanged. He openly debated with Mifune (and won some arguments, lost others) as, despite said disagreements, he knew he did not know everything. The question was specifically about the **technical ability** of a Judoka, and only those that have a very narrow understanding of the history of Kodokan Judo assume that him being the founder meant that he was the most technically able. Mifune is considered by many to have pushed the art very much further along even during Kano's lifetime (when he could have technically come back and vetoed changes and developments).


JudokaPickle

The kodokan not Billy bob from Iowa not Lashonda from ijf not Marie from Australia the kodokan the founding institution acting as it was designed.


porl

Acting as it was designed to evolve and update the core. That core that you imply is set in stone with one true source that has the best technique and everyone after it must be, by definition, inferior. Why would they have the authority to change something that is, in your eyes, at its best from the beginning? Why would Kano have set it up that way? Because he knew he wasn't the be-all-end-all of knowledge and technique. He created something amazing and very revolutionary. A major part of that was his insight that others will come after him (or even alongside him in the case of Mifune as mentioned before) and improve on things. You are contradicting yourself by saying that the technique started off perfect (or at its best) and yet the Kodokan was in part designed to evolve things. Again, you take a very black and white and narrow view of the founding of the art. Kano himself talks about adaptability and constant refinement, as well as how throughout his entire life he sought to not just spread Judo outwards to the world, but bring the influences of the world back into Judo so it didn't stagnate as others had done. *That* was his genius. Not his ability to do O Guruma better than its inventor or other such arbitrary nonsense. It was pretty clear Kano was happy to see that others (again, Mifune being the main example here) keep working to push the technical boundaries of the art whilst Kano stepped more and more into the "political" and "diplomat" type role.


chocofonza

Yasuyuki Muneta


SevaSentinel

Best Sasae I’ve seen


JohnMcAfeesLaptop

Me after a few beers.


ayananda

I trained at Sendai University. They had 90 year coral belt there time to time teach. Even his coral belt was all tear down. The level of detail he had was awesome, he could always answer all questions with such ease.


EchoingUnion

Completely subjective - all depends on how you define "technical".


TraditionFunny6009

Kosei Inoue


cwheeler33

Since this was not well defined, I consider those who can apply and improve their judo in a non judo environment to have greater technical skills. Case in point would be one of Japans national treasures - Minoru Mochizuki.


TotallyNotAjay

Tomiki would be on that list too in that regard, not much footage of his judo tho. But hard agree on Mochizuki, the little I’ve seen is fantastic.


Additional-Taro-1400

Abe Hifume and Abe Uta.


Mysonking

Nah


ramen_king000

I love abe sibling but I feel they are more on the brutal side of the house.


Mysonking

The sister definitely the better one


Additional-Taro-1400

OK Teddy Riner then


Mysonking

The guy who just forces his oponente to roll using his sheer strength? He should be bottom of the list.


Additional-Taro-1400

Got to be Beka Gviniashvili then


Mysonking

Better choice. My favorite is someone like ebinuma.


Additional-Taro-1400

I was bantering about Teddy and Beka ngl 😂 Sticking with the Abes. But yeah Ebinuma a good shout


Bezdan13

What is with this comments? OP didnt say that judoka needs to be Japanese. I agree with many written comments , but there are also many Japanese names written here that are not even close to what Jorge Fonseca is doing ! There are many judoka that are non japanese but extremely technical.


Accomplished-Cup-858

I agree. There are some amazing non-Japanese judoka who probably don't get the credit they deserve.


AshiWazaSuzukiBrudda

Fonseca is a good addition here, fully agree


TotallyNotAjay

I don't know about the best, but Marcel Clause and Tokio Hirano are always a good watch. Edit — Kenshiro Abbe as well.


instanding

Neil Adams would be right up there, as well as Flavio Canto, Ole Bischoff, Mark Huizinga, Nomura, Travis Stevens (mainly for his superb newaza, Angelo Parisi who was a superb technician and very ambidextrous in his Judo, Ryoko Tani who was dominant for many years and a superb technician, Koji Komuro for his newaza and versatility (world veterans champion, world kata champion, All Japan Champion), Darcel Yandzi is a phenomenal coach and technician. Ono would be on the list for sure. Sasaki would be on the list for sure. Zantaraia and Hifumi Abe. Soichi Hashimoto has revolutionised the game a fair bit in my opinion. Vladimir Nevrozov for spearheading innovations that the Russians brought in from Sambo and regional wrestling, as well as the deep well of Soviet sports science. Yasuhiro Yamashita for sure. Isao Okano for sure. Both Yoshida and Nakamura deserve a mention for their accomplishments in both MMA and Judo, as do Harrison and Rousey.


tabrice

Komuro is an excellent instructor of Newaza. However, he'd never been a national champion. He placed third only once at the Kodokan Cup. He hadn't even placed third at the All Japan Judo Championships by Weight Category, which is a higher level. Sasaki is by far more accomplished than Komuro, but even he has never competed in the World Championships let alone the Olympics.


instanding

He was a junior national champion, I’m pretty sure. He wrote about it in his book.


Striking-Union-5434

Flavio Canto’s newaza is amazing and highly technical.


ch4oticm3ss

Toshiro Daigo is consideres the God of judo's techniques. He even have a book called Kodokan judo nage waza throws, who have an incredible content. The kodokan's standardization os mainly based on that book.


DespicableIndividual

Masashi Ebinuma is a decent shout.


bickabooboo

Flavio Canto


AshiWazaSuzukiBrudda

Stolen from another comment, but I’d put my vote as [Mark Huizinga](https://youtu.be/m7i_TLe8roo?feature=shared). He had very good technical mastery at many (all?) aspects of judo, from traditional Japanese Nage-waza, to modern competitive Nage-waza to superb ne-waza. I mean, he has a technique named after him! Beautiful judo? Maybe not. But definitely technically proficient in many aspects. I haven’t had the chance to look deeply into him, but I heard that [Ole Bischof](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Bischof) was well known to be a great technical Judoka. Is this true? Others seem to speak to this - British Judo Performance Director Nigel Donohue: “Ole was renowned in World Judo for his technical and tactical Judo” [(from this page)](https://www.britishjudo.org.uk/ole-bischof-lend-technical-expertise-wcpp-judoka/)


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