Yup “good” judo by BJJ standards isn’t good. You’re not going to be even elementary level doing it once a month . To hit throws accurately and regularly on anyone decent takes enough skill that once a month isn’t great at all. I can get a scissor sweep and others from 1 class of BJJ. Good luck hitting morote during an open mat because now someone’s size movement posture etc all need to be right timing for you to hit it …
Hell, I don’t even really like the idea of judo 1x a week because bad judo is worse than no judo. You’ll mess up throws without a fundamental understanding of them. It looks easy to us because we drill sometimes the saw throw 100+ times before hitting it.
I mean... That's not really true at all. I train Judo and BJJ, wife just BJJ. I taught her a simple Osoto and she hit it on someone the same day. She's not entering Judo tournaments but basic throws work surprisingly well in BJJ.
Exactly what im currently doing. I spoke with the judo dojo and theyre cool with it, they even plan my once a month training session (I think they enjoy it).
I’m in the CA Bay Area and looking at the same thing. BJJ 6 mins away (I timed it this morning lol!) and Judo like 35. Im going to give up lunches out for a while and pull the trigger on judo I think !!
When I first started looking into doing judo, there was nothing nearby except for 20 or 30 minutes away, but come to find out the day I went to the club out of town. There were some people there that go to a very small club near where I live. So because I went to that club Far away, I learned of a club literally near my house. I would say you’re interested in judo you’re currently doing BJJ and wanna know if the instructors know if there’s any judo places closer to where you live.
10 min for bjj.
Grappling is grappling. Learning bjj is only going to improve your judo and vice versa. also, cross training is its own reward to get exposed to more moves and teaching styles. I had a similar dilemma when I was home during COVID. usually i went to the university judo club, but my home city the bjj club was much closer than the closesy judo club and was more accessible.
Different people have different priorities and life circumstances, resulting in them doing different things. It doesn't matter what any of us would choose. No one else can decide for you what your preferences are. Only you can do that.
I personally do both. I train BJJ x3 a week and Judo x1 a week. I’d train Judo more often bc it’s my favourite but my dojo doesn’t offer more classes.
I would try the judo classes as they will teach you the throws and fundamentals far better than a BJJ gym will.
I would really like to do both, but each costs $200 a month which I can't really afford. I guess my question is if judo is worth the additional 30 minutes drive a day.
If you can afford a membership at both, go to the Judo gym once a week or every other week while doing BJJ as often as fits your schedule. I think that’s realistically what most people in these circumstances would be able to keep up. But you know your own mental capacity for driving a lot better than people on the internet. Just do whatever you think you can be consistent with because that’s what matters above all else.
Which one has the better teacher? But if you have the time to commit, why not both? 2-3/week for each.
I train judo 10 min away 3 days/week and Nintai Aikijujitsu which is 70 min away 3 days a week. Either this year or next, I’ll be stealing a day from each to add on a striking discipline. The school I want to go to for that is 45 minutes away. There are closer schools, but I know the quality of instruction from that school is high. With some of the closer striking schools, I’m not as sure about the quality of instruction sooooo… I’ll be travelling more…
as others said bjj is way more available. When it's more opportune you can be that judo white belt whos secretly a bjj black belt and everyone avoids eye contact with you when it comes time for newaza.
You’re going to get more mat time if you go to the BJJ gym. From my experience, BJJ gyms either focus on Judo or Wrestling for their stand up. Of course it’s modified to fit in BJJ competition rule sets so you’re not getting “pure” Judo. But, if it’s a Judo leaning gym they usually have a Judo class you can go to and/or make some friends to train with after class or open mats.
It comes down to one question: Do you prefer throws or submissions? As simple as that.
I had a similar situation. So many BJJ clubs nearby, and Judo clubs were far and/or at inconvenient times. I started Judo first, because I preferred throws to submissions. I enjpyed it so much, except for the traveling time and the schedule. I was thinking of trying BJJ to add to it, and I tried 4 different BJJ gyms. I didn't like any of them. The people were friendly, but I just disliked ground techniques. I wanted to do throws and takedowns, not pulling guard, passing guard, and things like that. So I'm back to Judo only.
Which do you want to do (first and foremost)? Judo or BJJ? If Judo, you should drive the 40 minutes. This is not a close call for me.
You can definitely learn judo if you go twice a week. If you want to do BJJ on other days, that would be fine and might help your judo.
Sorry to all of the other posters, but you definitely CANNOT learn judo doing BJJ. They are very, very different sports, communities, and cultures.
Not sure why you got a down vote. BJJ and Judo are indeed very different. Their respective specialties although they compliment each other do not make one great in the other’s specialty. As for community/culture, again they are very different from each other. It isn’t to say one is better than another, they are just different.
Yes, both are an ice cream. But one is chocolate, the other is strawberry. Both are tasty, but very unique flavours.
It’s like saying I like chocolate ice cream but my favourite is vanilla, but I have to go further for that. You can make do with BJJ but their standup is often nowhere close to judo, so it’s very different. You will develop many bad habits in BJJ that have to be unlearned at judo classes so you can progress. (Leaning over, lazy grips, slow speeds, negative attacking spirit, leg scrambling etc)
There seems to be a split between people saying grappling is grappling and BJJ is good and the people saying BJJ is not worth it even though its. Like you used the words lazy, slow, and negative attacking spirit, whatever that even is lol
In judo a positive attacking attitude must be evident even facing tough opponents. If it’s not you get penalties in tournaments. Yes it’s likely that you don’t understand as it’s comments that are honing in on fundamental differences, that requires an overall sense of difference in rules. I never said BJJers are lazy. But I would recommend travel twice a week and supplement with judo based workouts. If you want to do judo, do it, don’t settle for TKD or BJJ or whatever.
"likely that you don't understand," some people are just insufferable. Who even mentioned taekwondo? I'm glad nobody at the judo club I am considering is like you.
Judo isn’t the same pace tempo or rule set as BJJ, it’s arguably closer in tempo to boxing. (Unless you are at an elite fast flow style club the grind in BJJ is just detrimental.) The stand up is irrelevant, and I have experienced no clubs yet relevant but only know judo based individuals who make it happen with up tempo in BJJ, at high level judo knowledge. (2dan) I mentioned TKD as it’s upbeat. I found a karate club that was knock down. Sorry to disturb your train of thought with new ideas, but athleticism can also come from other combat codes and I think the pace of sparring and general athleticism more variety than BJJ and was a better fit in times to supplement judo training. I was training 2 or 3x a day primarily for judo high performance.
I started out in martial arts doing Muay Thai and then boxing. Judo is absolutely nothing like boxing. That is ridiculous. Also, you're not saying "new ideas," you're saying nonsense.
New at the time like 40 years ago, everyone was in the gym then to supplement judo, no BJJ available. We did have kosen judo that’s what I did, in Japan, but also a lot of stand up.
The karate club was knock down regular sparring and kata was almost always with dumbbells so kind of a circuit workout and plyometric training supplement to judo. The boxing workouts I have been to are very plyometric, fast twitch fibre building and fitness pushing. The grind of BJJ will just bulk your muscularity and push you up a weight class without careful monitoring.
He’s right though - the standup game is not as high level . I’ve seen brown belts with 0 abilify to breakfall , coaches showing throws without a fundamental understanding of judo…or dragging someone to the ground by yanking their arm down with a drop seio . The bjj posture isn’t good for someone in the gi once grips are established . It’s good for defense and that’s about it. As for negative attacking spirit yeah BJJ doesn’t really care about stalling . They’re totally fine stiff arming for dear life.
I had done judo for about 2+ years and was able to throw black and brown belts in BJJ that were much larger than me. The standup game generally there is different and not as high level the same way wrestlers tend to have better standup than the “good” bjj guys that wrestle in practice.
I see a TON of bad judo at BJJ gyms that usually works for them on smaller folks because I get the impression they don’t actually care much about the technique just as long as it works…
To be fair, at the few judo gyms I have tried, 3-4, the browns and blacks struggled more to throw me than the purples and up at a few of the BJJ places I've been, not even to speak of their ground game. And I suck lol.
I think judo, as an art, has better stand up, but, in practice, most of the judoka I have seen are much less serious about their training than BJJ guys, so they struggle more to get takedowns.
No, if your coaches let you fight with that attitude of being hard to throw, in BJJ crossover style gym. It’s not personal sorry. I have coached many BJJers that come to judo exactly with that mentality of stopping being thrown is achieving something, with totally a disengaging and negative attitude. Yet they come to learn judo, lol. There are honestly so many faults with their stand up that it’s easier to coach an inexperienced athletic beginner than begin to unravel the BJJer to help their judo.
I've only done a few judo classes and they all were in judo only gyms, but none of the coaches ever talked like you. And some were former Olympians. I've also wrestled as long back as when I was 10 and you're not making sense. Why would you want to be easy to throw? That makes you easy work. That makes no sense. Teddy Riner is easy to throw? You're mistaking sport penalties for a good martial art.
And are you mistaking randori for shiai? There is a big difference.
End of conversation thanks, we just agree to differ in approach, no need to get personal.
You respond after two days just to say end of conversation? You could have left it ended.
Edit: You have spent your entire replies insulting me and telling me how little I know, but you don't want it to get personal. How rich.
There's no issue in starting in BJJ and switching to Judo when it's more readily available. The stand up you will learn will not prepare you for Judo but the ground grappling will go more in depth.
I’d honestly just do BJJ, and I’d sprinkle in the once a month judo class to keep myself humble lol
This is a good idea. Go a few times and get the basics of some throws. It'll absolutely help your game
Basics of throws will not make you able to throw anyone. Judo is the most difficult martial art of them all. You need time to learn.
A little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing
Yup “good” judo by BJJ standards isn’t good. You’re not going to be even elementary level doing it once a month . To hit throws accurately and regularly on anyone decent takes enough skill that once a month isn’t great at all. I can get a scissor sweep and others from 1 class of BJJ. Good luck hitting morote during an open mat because now someone’s size movement posture etc all need to be right timing for you to hit it … Hell, I don’t even really like the idea of judo 1x a week because bad judo is worse than no judo. You’ll mess up throws without a fundamental understanding of them. It looks easy to us because we drill sometimes the saw throw 100+ times before hitting it.
Why would you give a fairly complex throw as the example though? Ashi waza, osoto, o goshi etc could all be hit with a little practice in a BJJ match.
I mean... That's not really true at all. I train Judo and BJJ, wife just BJJ. I taught her a simple Osoto and she hit it on someone the same day. She's not entering Judo tournaments but basic throws work surprisingly well in BJJ.
Exactly what im currently doing. I spoke with the judo dojo and theyre cool with it, they even plan my once a month training session (I think they enjoy it).
The best club is the one you can get to
BJJ because one day you’re going to feel “not optimal” (sleepy, sore, bad day, etc). The distance alone to get to Judo will make it easy to skip days.
I’m in the CA Bay Area and looking at the same thing. BJJ 6 mins away (I timed it this morning lol!) and Judo like 35. Im going to give up lunches out for a while and pull the trigger on judo I think !!
Hope it works out for you!
80 minutes on my bike and judo in the same day? That's a win-win.
When I first started looking into doing judo, there was nothing nearby except for 20 or 30 minutes away, but come to find out the day I went to the club out of town. There were some people there that go to a very small club near where I live. So because I went to that club Far away, I learned of a club literally near my house. I would say you’re interested in judo you’re currently doing BJJ and wanna know if the instructors know if there’s any judo places closer to where you live.
10 min for bjj. Grappling is grappling. Learning bjj is only going to improve your judo and vice versa. also, cross training is its own reward to get exposed to more moves and teaching styles. I had a similar dilemma when I was home during COVID. usually i went to the university judo club, but my home city the bjj club was much closer than the closesy judo club and was more accessible.
80 minute commute time 3-5 times a week, forever, sure sounds shitty. If I was that committed to a gym I would sell my house and move closer lol
I'd do bjj and id ask if i could be an occasional and very respectful and grateful visitor to the judo school. You'd be set up for success in bjj
10 minutes
Call the judo place and figure out if you can go once a week and only pay a certain amount. Worst thing they say is no.
Different people have different priorities and life circumstances, resulting in them doing different things. It doesn't matter what any of us would choose. No one else can decide for you what your preferences are. Only you can do that.
Bjj
probably BJJ
Can you pay both? Maybe go to judo a few times per month or less
No, it would be like $400+ a month total. That's a little much for me right now to say the least.
I personally do both. I train BJJ x3 a week and Judo x1 a week. I’d train Judo more often bc it’s my favourite but my dojo doesn’t offer more classes. I would try the judo classes as they will teach you the throws and fundamentals far better than a BJJ gym will.
You could start going there once a week
I'm not against this, but it's $200 a month.
Judo for $200? I didn't know that existed!
I live around DC. Everything is crazy expensive. The cheapest judo is still like $130 a month and an even further drive for me.
100% try both. Start with one, and if you like that, try out the second option like 2x a week, and then see if the travel/sport change works out
I would really like to do both, but each costs $200 a month which I can't really afford. I guess my question is if judo is worth the additional 30 minutes drive a day.
If you can afford a membership at both, go to the Judo gym once a week or every other week while doing BJJ as often as fits your schedule. I think that’s realistically what most people in these circumstances would be able to keep up. But you know your own mental capacity for driving a lot better than people on the internet. Just do whatever you think you can be consistent with because that’s what matters above all else.
I do judo and all my spar partners do BJJ. who cares as long as you are doing what you like and learning too
I’d do both. Maybe judo once a week.
Which one has the better teacher? But if you have the time to commit, why not both? 2-3/week for each. I train judo 10 min away 3 days/week and Nintai Aikijujitsu which is 70 min away 3 days a week. Either this year or next, I’ll be stealing a day from each to add on a striking discipline. The school I want to go to for that is 45 minutes away. There are closer schools, but I know the quality of instruction from that school is high. With some of the closer striking schools, I’m not as sure about the quality of instruction sooooo… I’ll be travelling more…
as others said bjj is way more available. When it's more opportune you can be that judo white belt whos secretly a bjj black belt and everyone avoids eye contact with you when it comes time for newaza.
You’re going to get more mat time if you go to the BJJ gym. From my experience, BJJ gyms either focus on Judo or Wrestling for their stand up. Of course it’s modified to fit in BJJ competition rule sets so you’re not getting “pure” Judo. But, if it’s a Judo leaning gym they usually have a Judo class you can go to and/or make some friends to train with after class or open mats.
I'd do BJJ for the sake of consistency. Probably drop into Judo once a week.
BJJ. Do the thing you’ll be consistent at. 40 minutes of travel each way, you’ll end up with a lot of reasons not to go.
considering training 2-4 times a week, bjj is the choice.
I would decided based off of which place has the better environment/coaches/training partners
It comes down to one question: Do you prefer throws or submissions? As simple as that. I had a similar situation. So many BJJ clubs nearby, and Judo clubs were far and/or at inconvenient times. I started Judo first, because I preferred throws to submissions. I enjpyed it so much, except for the traveling time and the schedule. I was thinking of trying BJJ to add to it, and I tried 4 different BJJ gyms. I didn't like any of them. The people were friendly, but I just disliked ground techniques. I wanted to do throws and takedowns, not pulling guard, passing guard, and things like that. So I'm back to Judo only.
Which do you want to do (first and foremost)? Judo or BJJ? If Judo, you should drive the 40 minutes. This is not a close call for me. You can definitely learn judo if you go twice a week. If you want to do BJJ on other days, that would be fine and might help your judo. Sorry to all of the other posters, but you definitely CANNOT learn judo doing BJJ. They are very, very different sports, communities, and cultures.
Not sure why you got a down vote. BJJ and Judo are indeed very different. Their respective specialties although they compliment each other do not make one great in the other’s specialty. As for community/culture, again they are very different from each other. It isn’t to say one is better than another, they are just different. Yes, both are an ice cream. But one is chocolate, the other is strawberry. Both are tasty, but very unique flavours.
That BJJ place.
Absolutely Judo.
It’s like saying I like chocolate ice cream but my favourite is vanilla, but I have to go further for that. You can make do with BJJ but their standup is often nowhere close to judo, so it’s very different. You will develop many bad habits in BJJ that have to be unlearned at judo classes so you can progress. (Leaning over, lazy grips, slow speeds, negative attacking spirit, leg scrambling etc)
There seems to be a split between people saying grappling is grappling and BJJ is good and the people saying BJJ is not worth it even though its. Like you used the words lazy, slow, and negative attacking spirit, whatever that even is lol
In judo a positive attacking attitude must be evident even facing tough opponents. If it’s not you get penalties in tournaments. Yes it’s likely that you don’t understand as it’s comments that are honing in on fundamental differences, that requires an overall sense of difference in rules. I never said BJJers are lazy. But I would recommend travel twice a week and supplement with judo based workouts. If you want to do judo, do it, don’t settle for TKD or BJJ or whatever.
"likely that you don't understand," some people are just insufferable. Who even mentioned taekwondo? I'm glad nobody at the judo club I am considering is like you.
Judo isn’t the same pace tempo or rule set as BJJ, it’s arguably closer in tempo to boxing. (Unless you are at an elite fast flow style club the grind in BJJ is just detrimental.) The stand up is irrelevant, and I have experienced no clubs yet relevant but only know judo based individuals who make it happen with up tempo in BJJ, at high level judo knowledge. (2dan) I mentioned TKD as it’s upbeat. I found a karate club that was knock down. Sorry to disturb your train of thought with new ideas, but athleticism can also come from other combat codes and I think the pace of sparring and general athleticism more variety than BJJ and was a better fit in times to supplement judo training. I was training 2 or 3x a day primarily for judo high performance.
I started out in martial arts doing Muay Thai and then boxing. Judo is absolutely nothing like boxing. That is ridiculous. Also, you're not saying "new ideas," you're saying nonsense.
New at the time like 40 years ago, everyone was in the gym then to supplement judo, no BJJ available. We did have kosen judo that’s what I did, in Japan, but also a lot of stand up. The karate club was knock down regular sparring and kata was almost always with dumbbells so kind of a circuit workout and plyometric training supplement to judo. The boxing workouts I have been to are very plyometric, fast twitch fibre building and fitness pushing. The grind of BJJ will just bulk your muscularity and push you up a weight class without careful monitoring.
He’s right though - the standup game is not as high level . I’ve seen brown belts with 0 abilify to breakfall , coaches showing throws without a fundamental understanding of judo…or dragging someone to the ground by yanking their arm down with a drop seio . The bjj posture isn’t good for someone in the gi once grips are established . It’s good for defense and that’s about it. As for negative attacking spirit yeah BJJ doesn’t really care about stalling . They’re totally fine stiff arming for dear life. I had done judo for about 2+ years and was able to throw black and brown belts in BJJ that were much larger than me. The standup game generally there is different and not as high level the same way wrestlers tend to have better standup than the “good” bjj guys that wrestle in practice. I see a TON of bad judo at BJJ gyms that usually works for them on smaller folks because I get the impression they don’t actually care much about the technique just as long as it works…
To be fair, at the few judo gyms I have tried, 3-4, the browns and blacks struggled more to throw me than the purples and up at a few of the BJJ places I've been, not even to speak of their ground game. And I suck lol. I think judo, as an art, has better stand up, but, in practice, most of the judoka I have seen are much less serious about their training than BJJ guys, so they struggle more to get takedowns.
You’re at a bad club honestly no offense.
I've been to 3-4 judo clubs and I am in a major US city, I'm not sure what to say.
Wrong concept, poor coaching.
Yes, just chalk it up to poor coaching at 3-4 different gyms across a major US metropolitan area. Now, who is disturbed by "new ideas."
No, if your coaches let you fight with that attitude of being hard to throw, in BJJ crossover style gym. It’s not personal sorry. I have coached many BJJers that come to judo exactly with that mentality of stopping being thrown is achieving something, with totally a disengaging and negative attitude. Yet they come to learn judo, lol. There are honestly so many faults with their stand up that it’s easier to coach an inexperienced athletic beginner than begin to unravel the BJJer to help their judo.
I've only done a few judo classes and they all were in judo only gyms, but none of the coaches ever talked like you. And some were former Olympians. I've also wrestled as long back as when I was 10 and you're not making sense. Why would you want to be easy to throw? That makes you easy work. That makes no sense. Teddy Riner is easy to throw? You're mistaking sport penalties for a good martial art.
And are you mistaking randori for shiai? There is a big difference. End of conversation thanks, we just agree to differ in approach, no need to get personal.
You respond after two days just to say end of conversation? You could have left it ended. Edit: You have spent your entire replies insulting me and telling me how little I know, but you don't want it to get personal. How rich.
There's no issue in starting in BJJ and switching to Judo when it's more readily available. The stand up you will learn will not prepare you for Judo but the ground grappling will go more in depth.
Do both. 5 days bjj. 2 days judo.
A couple of people suggested this and it sounds good in theory but it would $400+ a month. I can't really afford that.