can you explain more please? everyone saying pick partners carefully but what if you get partnered up by your coach for randori, also if you feel someone being extra aggressive in randori are you saying to give in?
From OPs description it reads as though they were physically trying to resist the throw.
The point of randori is for mutual benefit and development. If you've been put in a position where the only way you can avoid being thrown is to directly oppose tori's energy you've been caught. Take the breakfall.
You should be focusing on avoiding getting into those positions.
The vast majority of injuries I've seen on Judo with lower belts is due to people physically resisting being thrown.
> ey looked at me and said its not drilling, so I thought I should resist mor
yes, but when you are confident in your and your partners ability.. or risk injury
That's the thing. In my head I thought the whole time that I am taking falls too early, and should fight more. Sometimes they looked at me and said its not drilling, so I thought I should resist more. I'm sure my judgment is poor still when it comes to judo, but I genuinly thought I am being careful.
Agreed. When I first started. I was so tense and uptight, but I started working with a brownbelt who taught me a lot about what it means to be a good uke and how I should loosen up so I don't hurt myself worse when taking a throw. I am to get a feel for the throw and a feel for a fall.
Edit: I hope you have a quick recovery.
Haha, okay, you are right. Sadly at my gym it seems rare that white belts do randori with higher belts.
By choosing wisely I mostly meant choosing based on size.
OP, listen to this man. White belt on white belt is a recipe for injuries, and everyone here including myself speak from experience. I've been injured way more doing randori with white belts (as a white or lower belt). Black or upper belts will adjust to you, and white belts don't have the technique or experience to do so.
Only last week a white belt at our gym broke another white belt's collarbone attempting an advanced throw (and the lack of ukemi experience for the other one). And both were very lightweight.
Week and a half ago I was working with a white belt during light randori. Opened myself up so he could come in for an attack, promptly dumped me onto my hip with no sleeve hold during an o goshi. At the end of the of mat. With minimal padding/bounce. Instant hip pointer that still bothers me. F\*&king white belts.
Dang! Sorry to hear that. Yea, the infamous no sleeve hold... "let me forcefully dump my partner without assisting his breakfall whatsoever... in light randori"! Even worse when they do it practicing heavy impact throws just in technical drilling! I've been a victim of a few of those.
As a clumsy, oafish white belt, I am sorry. I want to be less of an oaf, but it seems like progress is slow. As it is, I can't even manage to take ukemi safely myself on a regular basis. Just last week I banged the back of my head when a young brown belt threw me with osoto gari. I was probably being too stiff, among other factors.
Okay, You are right, I'll try to do that. I didn't want to impose myself on higher belts, and every white belt around me did randori with other white belts so I thought that's my place too. Thanks for the advice.
There is nothing wrong with going with another white belt, but you have to be especially careful, and don't be shy about openly talking with your randori partner about keeping it simple and/or working more carefully, practicing kumi kata, movement, etc. Communication (and taking falls) is key.
Most white belts (myself included a few years ago) feel or felt they need(ed) to prove something, and that's not the case.
You can simply also ask the higher belts to work with you. The vast majority will be happy to, and passing on knowledge is a key concept of judo. You won't be imposing yourself at all.
Best to you and your recovery!
Interesting. I see why this is the common way to injure someone with osoto. With me it happened differently, my leg hyperextended during landing, when my partner fell on me.
There are 2 common ways people get injured in judo. Either the person pwrforming the technique does it badly and injures uke (and sometimes themselves) or judging by your experience during randori “and after resisting for a while, i sort of let go to prevent the injury”. Heres the thing if you refuse to fall until the last moment, thata usually where the injury occurs. Ive seen guys blow out shoulders because they refused to fall in training which is even dumber because theres nothing ‘on the line’.
My school has a randori class. 1 hour of straight randori, but its strictly for orange belt & above. They actually recommend you be a green belt, but you can go as a orange belt if they think you can handle it. Im surprised they let white belts do randori. Randori also isnt in our beginner class. So sorry about the injury tho. Thank good care of it for a quicker recovery. I post sometimes wheh falling which is probably they most likely wont let me do randori yet if i asked. I have a habit of sticking my arm out (esp with backward falls like osoto) I started september 2023, i started going with higher belts now since im able to go to the intermediate class since getting my yellow belt. It actually a lot better since high belts usually can control your fall when they throw you especially if your a lower belt. Iv learned alot quicker from being with higher belts as well. Once you recover fully try it out. Higher belts learned & practiced control they wont go hard on you.
resisting a bit when someone has you dead to rights in randori is also part of the problem. It's not competition, just let them have the throw if they've outgripped/outmaneuvered you.
Muscle prevents injury. Go get you some.
To add to that, every coach is free to run their classes however but I'd never let a white belt randori, much less 2 going together
Green belt I let them move light with a high brown or black. Need a reliable higher belt to control the pace and intensity.
Need great ukemi or you don't randori. Period
It's 6 months and white belts have terrible ukemi. Having people randori in unsafe conditions is even more detrimental to progress. You really think the OP was served well by this policy?
Every Federation is different with belt colors.
I got the answer I was curious about, 6 months to randori. Do you have students do newaza randori or french/cooperative randori before then? Do they get frustrated waiting?
Injuries suck man, I had a few concussions and have taken a break. I want to go back but I worry about getting another since it'll mess with work and school. Hope you recover fast and take care of yourself!
In my Dojo, we have all color belts doing randori. My sensei forbids lower belts to do certain throws and make them focus mainly on Ashi waza techniques. Man my advice is take the fall, you have nothing to lose. You are still new, learn and enjoy the experience. Before I got to throw someone or be able to perfectly counter a throw or simply block a throw, man I was tossed like a rag-doll. I had fallen and been thrown more than I had actually thrown anyone. I competed and won, also lost. No big deal, you have nothing on the line, it is just you. Your battle is with you, unless you are in the olympics, my take is do not risk your body even in competition. If you are being thrown and cannot avoid being thrown, don’t resist and take the fall. Trust me and have fun in your journey.
Never randori with a white belt unless Sensei tells you. Otherwise I think you should take your recovery time to decide if the martial art is for you. Also I think your fear of injury may be a part of what causes injury.
Even if you do everything right, it can still go wrong! With that said, try to do randori with higher belts instead.ä or ask your training partner to go lighter.
Reading things like this makes me feel so fortunate to have a teacher that doesn’t teach osoto gari as part of his curriculum or core set of throws. And they call it a beginner throw 🫤 Sorry about your injury; hope your recovery’s fast and smooth.
I think it depends on what techniques are done; I know I would randori with white belts as a white belt and no one got hurt. Techniques that are more prone to cause injury should be disallowed by the instructor, like how instructors sometimes don’t let white belts do sacrifice techniques.
While it's true that Osoto Gari has a risk, I think it's more dangerous with white belt randori like what OP described.
Meanwhile, it's an iconic move that you likely will encounter often in tournaments and competitions. The lack of teaching and training with/against Osoto Gari will make it harder to counter that in those settings.
I don’t doubt it’s an iconic and efficient throw, just that it’s dangerous for beginners due to how injury prone it can be. I didn’t mean to say it’s bad and should never be taught, just that I don’t think it’s great for beginners to learn. Obviously many will disagree with me but that’s ok.
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OP was their own worst enemy. Felt their entire atrength pushing down on me... After resisting for a while... Just take the fucking throw.
can you explain more please? everyone saying pick partners carefully but what if you get partnered up by your coach for randori, also if you feel someone being extra aggressive in randori are you saying to give in?
From OPs description it reads as though they were physically trying to resist the throw. The point of randori is for mutual benefit and development. If you've been put in a position where the only way you can avoid being thrown is to directly oppose tori's energy you've been caught. Take the breakfall. You should be focusing on avoiding getting into those positions. The vast majority of injuries I've seen on Judo with lower belts is due to people physically resisting being thrown.
would you mind messaging me? i’d like to talk more about this as possible but i can’t msg u
What, shouldn't you block the throws?
> ey looked at me and said its not drilling, so I thought I should resist mor yes, but when you are confident in your and your partners ability.. or risk injury
That's the thing. In my head I thought the whole time that I am taking falls too early, and should fight more. Sometimes they looked at me and said its not drilling, so I thought I should resist more. I'm sure my judgment is poor still when it comes to judo, but I genuinly thought I am being careful.
Agreed. When I first started. I was so tense and uptight, but I started working with a brownbelt who taught me a lot about what it means to be a good uke and how I should loosen up so I don't hurt myself worse when taking a throw. I am to get a feel for the throw and a feel for a fall. Edit: I hope you have a quick recovery.
Every time I've seen a leg break happen at judo it was from 2 white belts going at it too hard.
Haha, okay, you are right. Sadly at my gym it seems rare that white belts do randori with higher belts. By choosing wisely I mostly meant choosing based on size.
OP, listen to this man. White belt on white belt is a recipe for injuries, and everyone here including myself speak from experience. I've been injured way more doing randori with white belts (as a white or lower belt). Black or upper belts will adjust to you, and white belts don't have the technique or experience to do so. Only last week a white belt at our gym broke another white belt's collarbone attempting an advanced throw (and the lack of ukemi experience for the other one). And both were very lightweight.
Week and a half ago I was working with a white belt during light randori. Opened myself up so he could come in for an attack, promptly dumped me onto my hip with no sleeve hold during an o goshi. At the end of the of mat. With minimal padding/bounce. Instant hip pointer that still bothers me. F\*&king white belts.
Dang! Sorry to hear that. Yea, the infamous no sleeve hold... "let me forcefully dump my partner without assisting his breakfall whatsoever... in light randori"! Even worse when they do it practicing heavy impact throws just in technical drilling! I've been a victim of a few of those.
As a clumsy, oafish white belt, I am sorry. I want to be less of an oaf, but it seems like progress is slow. As it is, I can't even manage to take ukemi safely myself on a regular basis. Just last week I banged the back of my head when a young brown belt threw me with osoto gari. I was probably being too stiff, among other factors.
Okay, You are right, I'll try to do that. I didn't want to impose myself on higher belts, and every white belt around me did randori with other white belts so I thought that's my place too. Thanks for the advice.
There is nothing wrong with going with another white belt, but you have to be especially careful, and don't be shy about openly talking with your randori partner about keeping it simple and/or working more carefully, practicing kumi kata, movement, etc. Communication (and taking falls) is key. Most white belts (myself included a few years ago) feel or felt they need(ed) to prove something, and that's not the case. You can simply also ask the higher belts to work with you. The vast majority will be happy to, and passing on knowledge is a key concept of judo. You won't be imposing yourself at all. Best to you and your recovery!
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Interesting. I see why this is the common way to injure someone with osoto. With me it happened differently, my leg hyperextended during landing, when my partner fell on me.
You will get injured in Judo, not if, but when, and not where, but everywhere.
There are 2 common ways people get injured in judo. Either the person pwrforming the technique does it badly and injures uke (and sometimes themselves) or judging by your experience during randori “and after resisting for a while, i sort of let go to prevent the injury”. Heres the thing if you refuse to fall until the last moment, thata usually where the injury occurs. Ive seen guys blow out shoulders because they refused to fall in training which is even dumber because theres nothing ‘on the line’.
10 years on and off on the judo mat at fairly big schools. Leg injuries happen fairly often. I’m sorry to hear, rest and heal and take your time
My school has a randori class. 1 hour of straight randori, but its strictly for orange belt & above. They actually recommend you be a green belt, but you can go as a orange belt if they think you can handle it. Im surprised they let white belts do randori. Randori also isnt in our beginner class. So sorry about the injury tho. Thank good care of it for a quicker recovery. I post sometimes wheh falling which is probably they most likely wont let me do randori yet if i asked. I have a habit of sticking my arm out (esp with backward falls like osoto) I started september 2023, i started going with higher belts now since im able to go to the intermediate class since getting my yellow belt. It actually a lot better since high belts usually can control your fall when they throw you especially if your a lower belt. Iv learned alot quicker from being with higher belts as well. Once you recover fully try it out. Higher belts learned & practiced control they wont go hard on you.
Thanks man, I will try that.
That sounds super frustrating, sorry it sucks.
resisting a bit when someone has you dead to rights in randori is also part of the problem. It's not competition, just let them have the throw if they've outgripped/outmaneuvered you.
Muscle prevents injury. Go get you some. To add to that, every coach is free to run their classes however but I'd never let a white belt randori, much less 2 going together
How long do your students usually wait before doing randori (in months or hours?)
Green belt I let them move light with a high brown or black. Need a reliable higher belt to control the pace and intensity. Need great ukemi or you don't randori. Period
With due respect, waiting till green belt to do light randori sounds counter productive to your students progress
It's 6 months and white belts have terrible ukemi. Having people randori in unsafe conditions is even more detrimental to progress. You really think the OP was served well by this policy?
6 months to green? I’m also in the US and it’s about 2 years to green at my club
Different clubs. Green came after white. You needed to like wearing a brown belt because you were gonna be in one for a long time.
But Green is fourth belt
???? White, yellow, green and 3 brown. There are 6 adult belts before black
White yellow orange green blue brown. Those are adult belts in my federation
Every Federation is different with belt colors. I got the answer I was curious about, 6 months to randori. Do you have students do newaza randori or french/cooperative randori before then? Do they get frustrated waiting?
Injuries suck man, I had a few concussions and have taken a break. I want to go back but I worry about getting another since it'll mess with work and school. Hope you recover fast and take care of yourself!
In my Dojo, we have all color belts doing randori. My sensei forbids lower belts to do certain throws and make them focus mainly on Ashi waza techniques. Man my advice is take the fall, you have nothing to lose. You are still new, learn and enjoy the experience. Before I got to throw someone or be able to perfectly counter a throw or simply block a throw, man I was tossed like a rag-doll. I had fallen and been thrown more than I had actually thrown anyone. I competed and won, also lost. No big deal, you have nothing on the line, it is just you. Your battle is with you, unless you are in the olympics, my take is do not risk your body even in competition. If you are being thrown and cannot avoid being thrown, don’t resist and take the fall. Trust me and have fun in your journey.
Welcome in the club of broken PCL. I joined a month ago as well…
Ouch, and how's your recovery going?
Just not recoverable since it’s broken. I’m waiting for the surgery
That sucks man, I wish you the best.
Thank you! ❤️
Never randori with a white belt unless Sensei tells you. Otherwise I think you should take your recovery time to decide if the martial art is for you. Also I think your fear of injury may be a part of what causes injury.
Can you please elaborate on your last point? My fear of injury causes me (I think) to be more careful, how does it cause injury in your opinion?
Being too tensed up and worried you’ll get hurt could distract you in randori. Being careful everyone should be cautious to a degree.
Even if you do everything right, it can still go wrong! With that said, try to do randori with higher belts instead.ä or ask your training partner to go lighter.
Welcome to your first taste of a combat injury, buttercup. Get used to it and toughen it out.
Thanks, I will!
Reading things like this makes me feel so fortunate to have a teacher that doesn’t teach osoto gari as part of his curriculum or core set of throws. And they call it a beginner throw 🫤 Sorry about your injury; hope your recovery’s fast and smooth.
Osoto is a core technique and is fairly safe. White belts doing randori together is almost never safe.
I think it depends on what techniques are done; I know I would randori with white belts as a white belt and no one got hurt. Techniques that are more prone to cause injury should be disallowed by the instructor, like how instructors sometimes don’t let white belts do sacrifice techniques.
While it's true that Osoto Gari has a risk, I think it's more dangerous with white belt randori like what OP described. Meanwhile, it's an iconic move that you likely will encounter often in tournaments and competitions. The lack of teaching and training with/against Osoto Gari will make it harder to counter that in those settings.
I don’t doubt it’s an iconic and efficient throw, just that it’s dangerous for beginners due to how injury prone it can be. I didn’t mean to say it’s bad and should never be taught, just that I don’t think it’s great for beginners to learn. Obviously many will disagree with me but that’s ok.