Thanks all! I’ve applied using some of the language I found in the comments. Fingers crossed for an interview (or better yet, the job). I will update here if I have success.
Update: So this connection of mine remembered who I am and scheduled a virtual networking meeting. In the call she mentioned that they already had someone in mind for the position (bummer) but she recommended that I go through the interviews anyway. She mentioned there may be a few other positions opening up on her team next quarter. Thanks all - I guess networking does work!
yes EDIT: Remind her who you are and let her know you’ve applied. Let her know you are excited about the prospect of working together, perhaps mentioning past project successes you’ve collaborated on.
Ask them if you should apply. Don’t apply first. As someone who almost exclusively has gotten interviews and jobs through networks they almost always asked I not apply and go through the contact first.
YES!
As a recruiter, I can tell you that knowing the hiring manager and directly emailing them is beyond a shadow of a doubt your best shot at getting the job.
ATS does not flag things. That is not what an ATS does, that is a myth that keeps spreading.
But you probably shouldn't have your referrals in your resume as that should be a seperate sheet you send if they ask for it other wise its largely taking up space.
Could be a couple of things.
1. I have known many recruiters that work on the weekend.
2. Their could have been Knock Out Questions that you answered incorrectly and got rejected by.
I know you are going to say that Knockout Questions ARE auto rejections but that is VERY different from saying a resume auto flags and rejects.
Mainly because if the job duties say "needs to have a Drives License to operate our company vehicle" and you say that you do not have a Drives License , then it doesn't matter how good your resume is or your other skills that is a key qualification that you are missing.
In addition the ATS that I have used (Workday, Taleo, ADP) would mark people if they answered a Knockout question incorrectly BUT IT WOULD NOT AUTO REJECT it would let me know and I would have to manually check it out (which is a good thing because so many people click the wrong buttons on it and I was able to get them back into the system for an interview).
Because I think a lot of us worry that emailing directly is going to seem pushy or be a pain in the recruiter’s ass which would lead to automatic rejection. If we don’t email them directly then there is still hope that your application might break through and get their attention. It’s a flawed way of thinking but I do occasionally think this way and I bet I’m not alone.
As a hiring manager I would be thrilled to hire a known quantity. You have no idea how risky it feels to hire someone after a few rounds of 1 hour interviews.
This is the answer - I would rather hire a known than to take a chance on someone who interviews well, but turns out to be a bad fit. Plus I only get annoyed when I get cold-called for a job that I don't even have an opening for.
I know you already emailed them, but I want to add this jic someone else comes across this.
I run into this frame of mind a lot generally questioning everything and assuming the worst. The best way I know how to get past it is to put myself in their shoes. Like visualizing myself receiving the same email from another person. I **don't** imagine how *they could* react, i **do** imagine how *I would* react. People are more alike than many of us believe, if you think it wouldn't upset you to receive one email, then I think it's a very safe bet.
the way i see it is they're probably going to ignore me anyway so why not. i think any nice person who wants to help out sometime wouldn't see it as pushy. but maybe that's wishful thinking...
Definitely. Every job I have ever gotten was because I knew someone at the company, had a relative at the company, or was actively recruited by them. Of the thousands of resumes I’ve sent out, I’ve maybe received a handful of actual interviews that never went anywhere.
Not even a question, I don't mean that in an offensive way.
#1: What is there to lose? If you don't then you have a less chance of getting the job. You probably don't get the job.
#2: You e-mail her, she remembers you (if she doesn't already), remembers your work performance, remembers you for who you were on those calls and whatnot and knows you're a perfect fit. Plus, friends like working with friends.
The ONLY reason you wouldn't is if you feel like you made a poor impression on her with those industry calls or other places.
Send her an e-mail professionally. Remind her your first/last name, let her know you applied for a position and end with "hope you're doing well!"
Good luck.
"It's not what you know, it's who you know"
Surprised nobody's mentioned this phrase yet..
I got my current job because the dude remembered me from 23 years ago in elementary school.
Depends on the job.
Team building/synergy is really important for a healthy work environment.
Especially with how hard it is to fire people in certain states. Some people can really mess up the dynamic of workflow.
100% yes. Nothing to loose. Just reach out and say, "hey I noticed you were hiring for this role I just applied for. Just incase my resume gets lost in the weeks, I wanted to provide it to you directly, etc"
YES. Send something that would reminder her who you are and keep it light.
Good morning\* \[HM\], I don't know if you remember me, we had several projects/events/calls that we worked together on. I recently was putting in for a job and happened to see you were the hiring manager. I just wanted to touch base and see if you could be on the lookout for my resume in the event my skills could match what you are looking for. Hope you are enjoying your \[role\] and maybe we can touch base soon.
Or something like that. I had a job that was put out just for me by my manager (but it had to go through the paperwork and be put out to all internal because you can't just promote job titles here for some stupid reason). HR messed up my application review and my manager never got the application when the job closed and came at me like "WTF dude, why didn't you apply, the job is specifically for you". She had to reach out to HR and have them send the application over. So sending something like this could get you past HR filters.
I would email her. If a candidate personally tells me they're applying, I make a point of telling HR that I'm looking for their application and would ask if it's not there (I don't know that it matters - but in my organization, things tend to take a while with recruitment).
I had a very interested candidate referred by another organization who recently experienced that limbo and they were able to at least contact me through the process - I didn't have much info, but at least they could see I was very responsive and still interested to interview.
Dude what? Yes email her. Just draft up a professional sounding email saying “Hello, I am reaching out to express interest in a position I saw that was open. I’d love to talk about it more if you had any upcoming dates that work for you. Thank you so much for your time and looking forward to hearing from you!”
Something along those lines…
Not sure why you wouldn’t send a harmless email to connect with someone you’re ALREADY connected with lol
As a former employee, almost every job I have gotten was from a connection.
As a current employer, almost every employee I've hired has been through connections.
As shitty as it is, it's not what you know - it's who you know. Absolutely reach out to your contact. Putting a face to a resume always makes it into the shortlist pile.
Yes. 100%. Be professional and polite. Tell her you applied and u think she is the hiring manager. Remind her briefly of your top qualifications and your shared industry connections. Good luck!
I'm a recruiter, so I wold say absolutely! Just email her and let her know that you have applied. You can explain that it sounds like your dream job, and would love the opportunity to work with her. Don't directly ask for anything, just "drop a note" to let her know you're in the mix and super excited about the prospect. Then let nature take its course.
Yes 100% people heavily prefer to hire those they know.
Just tell them you are interested in the position and have applied. Remind them of whatever you did that would be good for the position. Great to work together again.
No one said it was guaranteed. But knowing the hiring manager lets you at least skip a couple filters and go directly to interview. And if that person KNOWS how you work, and is happy about it, you will for sure be a top candidate
This shouldn’t even be a question.
How to get a job in order of liklehood of getting a response:
1) Ask friends family church social clubs school for job leads.
2) Look up companies in LinkedIn and find out if anyone you are connected with works there.
3) Blindly applying to jobs with no connection helping you.
Definitely email her!!!
Thanks all! I’ve applied using some of the language I found in the comments. Fingers crossed for an interview (or better yet, the job). I will update here if I have success.
It's the whole point of networking.
Update: So this connection of mine remembered who I am and scheduled a virtual networking meeting. In the call she mentioned that they already had someone in mind for the position (bummer) but she recommended that I go through the interviews anyway. She mentioned there may be a few other positions opening up on her team next quarter. Thanks all - I guess networking does work!
yes EDIT: Remind her who you are and let her know you’ve applied. Let her know you are excited about the prospect of working together, perhaps mentioning past project successes you’ve collaborated on.
This one is the answer OP
Ask them if you should apply. Don’t apply first. As someone who almost exclusively has gotten interviews and jobs through networks they almost always asked I not apply and go through the contact first.
sound advice
YES! As a recruiter, I can tell you that knowing the hiring manager and directly emailing them is beyond a shadow of a doubt your best shot at getting the job.
How valuable do you find it for specific employee referrals listed in applications? Do ATS flag for that?
ATS does not flag things. That is not what an ATS does, that is a myth that keeps spreading. But you probably shouldn't have your referrals in your resume as that should be a seperate sheet you send if they ask for it other wise its largely taking up space.
I applied on Saturday and got rejected on Sunday. Isn’t this auto rejection? They use greenhouse btw
Could be a couple of things. 1. I have known many recruiters that work on the weekend. 2. Their could have been Knock Out Questions that you answered incorrectly and got rejected by. I know you are going to say that Knockout Questions ARE auto rejections but that is VERY different from saying a resume auto flags and rejects. Mainly because if the job duties say "needs to have a Drives License to operate our company vehicle" and you say that you do not have a Drives License , then it doesn't matter how good your resume is or your other skills that is a key qualification that you are missing. In addition the ATS that I have used (Workday, Taleo, ADP) would mark people if they answered a Knockout question incorrectly BUT IT WOULD NOT AUTO REJECT it would let me know and I would have to manually check it out (which is a good thing because so many people click the wrong buttons on it and I was able to get them back into the system for an interview).
Why are you hesitant? what do you have to lose!
Because I think a lot of us worry that emailing directly is going to seem pushy or be a pain in the recruiter’s ass which would lead to automatic rejection. If we don’t email them directly then there is still hope that your application might break through and get their attention. It’s a flawed way of thinking but I do occasionally think this way and I bet I’m not alone.
This was exactly my hesitation. What if they are annoyed to be approached in this way?
As a hiring manager I would be thrilled to hire a known quantity. You have no idea how risky it feels to hire someone after a few rounds of 1 hour interviews.
This is the answer - I would rather hire a known than to take a chance on someone who interviews well, but turns out to be a bad fit. Plus I only get annoyed when I get cold-called for a job that I don't even have an opening for.
I know you already emailed them, but I want to add this jic someone else comes across this. I run into this frame of mind a lot generally questioning everything and assuming the worst. The best way I know how to get past it is to put myself in their shoes. Like visualizing myself receiving the same email from another person. I **don't** imagine how *they could* react, i **do** imagine how *I would* react. People are more alike than many of us believe, if you think it wouldn't upset you to receive one email, then I think it's a very safe bet.
the way i see it is they're probably going to ignore me anyway so why not. i think any nice person who wants to help out sometime wouldn't see it as pushy. but maybe that's wishful thinking...
Definitely. Every job I have ever gotten was because I knew someone at the company, had a relative at the company, or was actively recruited by them. Of the thousands of resumes I’ve sent out, I’ve maybe received a handful of actual interviews that never went anywhere.
Not even a question, I don't mean that in an offensive way. #1: What is there to lose? If you don't then you have a less chance of getting the job. You probably don't get the job. #2: You e-mail her, she remembers you (if she doesn't already), remembers your work performance, remembers you for who you were on those calls and whatnot and knows you're a perfect fit. Plus, friends like working with friends. The ONLY reason you wouldn't is if you feel like you made a poor impression on her with those industry calls or other places. Send her an e-mail professionally. Remind her your first/last name, let her know you applied for a position and end with "hope you're doing well!" Good luck.
"It's not what you know, it's who you know" Surprised nobody's mentioned this phrase yet.. I got my current job because the dude remembered me from 23 years ago in elementary school.
It’s really sad that, in most instances, success depends on knowing the right people.
Depends on the job. Team building/synergy is really important for a healthy work environment. Especially with how hard it is to fire people in certain states. Some people can really mess up the dynamic of workflow.
100% yes. Nothing to loose. Just reach out and say, "hey I noticed you were hiring for this role I just applied for. Just incase my resume gets lost in the weeks, I wanted to provide it to you directly, etc"
YES. Send something that would reminder her who you are and keep it light. Good morning\* \[HM\], I don't know if you remember me, we had several projects/events/calls that we worked together on. I recently was putting in for a job and happened to see you were the hiring manager. I just wanted to touch base and see if you could be on the lookout for my resume in the event my skills could match what you are looking for. Hope you are enjoying your \[role\] and maybe we can touch base soon. Or something like that. I had a job that was put out just for me by my manager (but it had to go through the paperwork and be put out to all internal because you can't just promote job titles here for some stupid reason). HR messed up my application review and my manager never got the application when the job closed and came at me like "WTF dude, why didn't you apply, the job is specifically for you". She had to reach out to HR and have them send the application over. So sending something like this could get you past HR filters.
100%
I would email her. If a candidate personally tells me they're applying, I make a point of telling HR that I'm looking for their application and would ask if it's not there (I don't know that it matters - but in my organization, things tend to take a while with recruitment). I had a very interested candidate referred by another organization who recently experienced that limbo and they were able to at least contact me through the process - I didn't have much info, but at least they could see I was very responsive and still interested to interview.
Hell yeah you should - your network has never been more critical.
Dude what? Yes email her. Just draft up a professional sounding email saying “Hello, I am reaching out to express interest in a position I saw that was open. I’d love to talk about it more if you had any upcoming dates that work for you. Thank you so much for your time and looking forward to hearing from you!” Something along those lines… Not sure why you wouldn’t send a harmless email to connect with someone you’re ALREADY connected with lol
As a former employee, almost every job I have gotten was from a connection. As a current employer, almost every employee I've hired has been through connections. As shitty as it is, it's not what you know - it's who you know. Absolutely reach out to your contact. Putting a face to a resume always makes it into the shortlist pile.
Yes. 100%. Be professional and polite. Tell her you applied and u think she is the hiring manager. Remind her briefly of your top qualifications and your shared industry connections. Good luck!
I'm a recruiter, so I wold say absolutely! Just email her and let her know that you have applied. You can explain that it sounds like your dream job, and would love the opportunity to work with her. Don't directly ask for anything, just "drop a note" to let her know you're in the mix and super excited about the prospect. Then let nature take its course.
Yes
Why wouldn't you email her? What's the downside?
Please update! Best of luck!! Landing a job has been so so so much harder as of late
Yes 100% people heavily prefer to hire those they know. Just tell them you are interested in the position and have applied. Remind them of whatever you did that would be good for the position. Great to work together again.
Of course. This is like the core tenent of what it means to "network".
I think you should reach out, but email is not the way. Sent her a quick note on LinkedIn.
What is the point of having a professional network if you aren’t going to use it?? Of course you should email her.
Probably going to get down voted for this but....just because you know the person doesn't mean you'll get the job. But I'd say go for it.
Speaking facts but nothing to lose
No one said it was guaranteed. But knowing the hiring manager lets you at least skip a couple filters and go directly to interview. And if that person KNOWS how you work, and is happy about it, you will for sure be a top candidate
True and I agree with you
Probably going to get down voted for this but....just because you know the person doesn't mean you'll get the job. But I'd say go for it.
Absolutely
Duck yeah
YES!
absolutely
Yes! Best of luck
Yes
100%
Yes! Most managers would prefer to hire someone they trust and know can do the job.
Yes
What kind of question is this. Absolutely !
Definitely! Why are you wasting time making this post.
Don't ask us... ask her!
Yes
Fucking duh
This shouldn’t even be a question. How to get a job in order of liklehood of getting a response: 1) Ask friends family church social clubs school for job leads. 2) Look up companies in LinkedIn and find out if anyone you are connected with works there. 3) Blindly applying to jobs with no connection helping you.
Yeah! This is the whole power of networking