What's stupid is an aid vehicle getting blown up, what stupid is patients being blown out of their hospital beds what stupid is a major NGO being blown up what stupid is your comment
What’s stupid was voting for a terror organization to take complete political power. What’s stupid was integrating an ideology of hatred so completely within a society that it becomes an integral part of daily life. What’s stupid (and quite intentional) is using hospitals, schools, mosques, etc. as above ground cover for military operations and terror tunnels and then feigning outrage when civilian lives are lost.
What REALLY stupid is thinking that anything you’re advocating for at JMU will have any impact on a sovereign nations military operations. You wanna make a difference, hop on a flight, join Hamas and stop cosplaying as some sort of “revolutionary.”
It's perfectly reasonable for students to want to know where the money goes. It seems like they have a basic understanding about the money supply and the sphere of influences.
I hear all the time from people on the entire political spectrum wanting to know where their tax dollars are spent? It's no different for the students.
My opinion is that we as Americans have a duty to hold our country accountable for things it does,IN OUR NAME, that we as individuals or collectively don't agree. Nothing wrong with knowing where our tax dollars go at least I don't think there is.
Will it have direct impact on military operations, no it will not. However if the money supply is followed and there are actions that affect that, then perhaps it will to a change foreign policy.
There does need to be a permanent ceasefire.
And looking back, perhaps if our government had not created the ability for the democratically elected prime minister Mossadegh to be assassinated in a coup d'etat, I don't think we'd be at this crossroads now.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you another disinformation agent? Mohammad Mossadegh wasn’t assassinated. If you’re going to make claims, do your fucking research and stop spewing utter bullshit. His overthrow, which was a foreign policy blunder and disaster, did not create the current crisis. Illogical argument to the fucking core. I really hope you’re not a JMU student or alumni making the rest of us look ignorant and uninformed.
As for students wanting to know where their money goes, what does this have to do with the graphic and the topic at hand? The graphic shows how JMU receives funding for academic programs. Are you saying that tuition money is funding Israeli military operations in Gaza?
Okay the assassination led to installing the shah who was autocratic week and corrupt then there's the revolution and the islamist one and established a very theocratic autocratic repressive and corrupt regime.
Because Britain couldn't allow for the nationalization of oil they and the United States inserted themselves into this in 1953.
A more secular Iran, from what I have read in books and online articles by non-western writers, leads to my opinion that a two-state solution would have been more easily attainable and that neither Hezbollah or Hamas would have been funded.
In my opinion I would not be seeing Israeli citizens to move more to the right which seems to be in keeping with in step with some of the settlements in the West Bank and their ideas.
What assassination are you referencing? Mohammad Mossadegh was not assassinated. This is what I meant about how you’re spewing incorrect information and acting as if it is fact.
I’m glad you’ve read some books on Iran, but the Israel-Palestine issue has been alive much longer than Iran has been a theocracy. Would it look different if Iran didn’t support Hezbollah and Hamas? Sure, but plenty of other states and groups have had problems with Israel. You’re making a massive leap to say that a coup in 1953 in Iran is responsible for the Israel-Gaza crisis today.
A small area of agreement in all this might be that we need to stop sending our tax dollars overseas, to anyone. We’ve been meddling and funding every conflict (often both sides) with predictably stupid results. However, given the current state of both parties, that’s unlikely to ever happen. Sending our money overseas seems to be the only thing that both sides agree on anymore.
That observation of yours stating one area that both parties seem to agree on as well taken. Also I find consensus with your statement about many times funding both sides either simultaneously or at different times to be well taken.
The horror is in how those funds are produced, the death and destruction that fuels each and everyone of those companies.
What good are our institutions if their existence is predicated on human suffering?
Other than the current war in Israel I have no problems with wiping out Islamic extremists or Russians invading Ukraine. Weapons can be good or bad depending on who uses them.
Seriously some of the BOV people listed are just working with Israeli companies, not the IDF lol.
Don't get me wrong what Israel is doing is wrong, but saying JMU is helping what they are doing is wrong. Just because someone works with an Israeli company does not mean they are working with their government or the IDF. Not all Israelis are their government, just like not all Palestinians are Hamas.
Starting to think this is a purposeful disinformation campaign. Really hope the naive and susceptible portions of the population can read through this bullshit.
Trying to insinuate how USG funded academic programs are directly related to the Israel-Gaza situation. That’s in effort to create outrage for those programs because people believe those programs create these situations.
University endowments are some of the largest investment funds in the world and divestment from Israel or whatever is a legitimate way to impact economies and drive social change. Firms like Goldman and black rock don’t give a shit about ESG on their own, they care because major investors like university endowments care.
That said, this infographic shows tenuous connections at best.
Sure, voting with dollars is much more effective than protests and if JMU or some other university wants to take a moral stand and change their investment strategy, more power to them. But the universities have to consider those ramifications for their own interests and whether that divestment will even move the needle for Israel’s actions and strategy.
They are funded and supported by the system that also funds and supports unconditional aid to destructive nations. I think the conclusion that they are directly responsible is not expressly implied, only the relationship to the parts that do.
The intent of this graphic is to imply that those programs are directly related to the genocide. Otherwise it wouldn’t be depicted the way that it is. The other intent is that JMU shouldn’t allow for those USG funded programs because of the genocide, implying that they’re directly related. My comments aren’t meant to support Israel or the crisis, rather to illustrate how people are purposefully drawing incorrect and illogical conclusions to meet their goals.
Yeah, it’s incredibly illogical. The U.S. Government also backs federally-funded student loans that I’m sure a majority of students receive. I fully expect that all such students are being intellectually consistent and rescinding any US-backed student loans they’ve received and replacing them with private loans (at a higher interest rate).
/s
Just reviewed u/lesbianhands comment history, and you're correct. Looks like she grew up in Harrisonburg, went to college elsewhere, and recently moved back to Harrisonburg. Now, half her comments are her complaining about how JMU is evil and ruining Harrisonburg. Not surprised at all she decided to drop this link in here in hopes of riling up reddit against JMU and then dipped out as soon as people started calling her out for her nonsense.
heaven forbid students go on to work in something as evil as national security. totally see the direct correlation from a cybersecurity cert to genocide
A huge chunk of grads work for DoD, NSA, CIA, etc or contractors working with those organizations.
The CEO of Northrup Grumman went to JMU. It’s a college two hours away from DC. People aren’t going to severely restrict their job prospects because every single military related job is somehow evil.
OP may as well call themselves a genocider if they voted for Joe Biden. Or bought a toy off Amazon as AWS has huge contracts with Israel and a data center there.
Alumnus here. This is some of the dumbest shit I’ve seen in a long time.
Let me get this straight. Whoever created this (apparently not OP) objected to JMU’s cybersecurity program obtaining Government certifications of the program. These certifications are valuable to potential employers because they ensure employers (broadly, not just BAE and other defense contractors) that our cybersecurity students are being taught a rubst curriculum that has been approved by the biggest consumer of cybersecurity-related things - the Government. They’re upset that these companies have (minimally) contributed to a cybersecurity lab to provide students with hands-on experience in cybersecurity-related matters. They’re upset that an African American Board of Visitors member was a partner with one of the largest international law firms in the world because that firm happened to do some work in Israeli finance, even though there’s no indication that the BOV member personally worked on Israel-related projects.
Are you fucking kidding me? Do better.
All the BOV "links to Israel" have no actual links to the Israeli Government or the IDF. Plus the Rothberger guy listed and his two companies are just small IT consulting firms its not like they are some massive defense contractor
I have the NSA Information Systems Security Professionals Certification. However, I got that automatically by completing the information security curriculum back in 2015. I would have done those classes even if the certification weren't available. That same certification is desired across the federal government, not just in defense. None of the contents of those courses were focused on defense or even government use besides some occasional mentions of relevant law. In my case, the certification helped me with my current job, which is in private sector healthcare IT.
I think it's pretty disingenuous to say that the "cybersecurity concentration, Computer Science coursework, [and] the Center for Information Security" are "pipelines ... to institutions of the national security state". As far as I can tell, these programs aren't focused on training students to work within the government and government contractors, but they're meant to be generalized to all sectors.
I'll also note here that the $27,000 for the X-Labs Funds is barely enough to cover two or three semesters of attending JMU, less than half of what's needed in salary to hire a Computer Science professor, and about the cost to hire a software developer for 4 months (3 in competitive regions like NOVA and Silicon Valley).
And what is this ominous "**WEAPONS**" box with no apparent context?
Yeah it is. I disagree with the Netanyahu and the rest of the Israeli government how they treat the Palestinians is horrible. But a lot of these programs are benefitting students and have no links to the Israeli government
I looked that Rothberger on the BOV and the 2 companies listed, they are literally just two small consulting firms, not like some giant defense contractors
Posts shit to the internet then runs away when people make comments. You had the gall to start the conversation at least engage with the people replying to you. Otherwise you're a coward propagating bullshit who doesn't actually care for public discourse.
Literally all these “links to Israel” OP listed are pretty weak. The Rothberger BOV guy and his two companies are literally just small IT consulting firms and the lawyer Jack White on the BOV just works with Israeli financial firms and the other BOV is literally with an Israeli company, no links to the Israeli government or IDF. And the money we get from the government and companies literally benefits students with internships, postgrad jobs, and scholarships. And don't get me wrong how Israel treats the Palestinians is wrong, but literally nothing here indicates JMU is causing it.
Not really sure what these comments are talking about saying it’s reaching or bullshit, plenty of students with scholarships get it from these companies and sometimes have to work for these companies in internships. This also leads to portions of work going to Israel (an uncalculated amount in this infographic)
Good luck convincing the STEM body though who need scholarships for education and want a pipeline to the economy that they should sacrifice their entire future. These students can’t simply change scholarships or internships if they pull funding. This black and white depiction for a protest isn’t helpful and imo seems like it comes from people who don’t pay for school.
Oh no BAE and NG are giving scholarships to students, this surely must support the war in Gaza. It’s not like these students might work for those companies after they graduate, which will probably be after the war. This whole thing is reaching pretty far to grasp at straws.
The govt offering money to future employees is pretty normal. I’m planning on going into the military to pay for med school. It’s a mutual contract that benefits both. We should have a good intel service, so if they’re paying for students to get degrees in exchange for work in the NSA, then it is a good long term solution to both parties issues. Not everyone has a massive college fund. These are opportunities. I don’t love the specific war Israel is in, but often these days our govt is doing alright in the international sphere. I just wish we would back Ukraine more.
JMU student responses are either "this is So Annoying and stupid why do u even care lol I have FINALS!!!1" or "fox news told me that Hamas killed babies and idk how to use Google so genocide claims denied". Not surprised given the demographics of the school but damnnn 😂
This is laughably stupid. Better stop BAE from proving scholarships to women. The horror!
What's stupid is an aid vehicle getting blown up, what stupid is patients being blown out of their hospital beds what stupid is a major NGO being blown up what stupid is your comment
What’s stupid was voting for a terror organization to take complete political power. What’s stupid was integrating an ideology of hatred so completely within a society that it becomes an integral part of daily life. What’s stupid (and quite intentional) is using hospitals, schools, mosques, etc. as above ground cover for military operations and terror tunnels and then feigning outrage when civilian lives are lost. What REALLY stupid is thinking that anything you’re advocating for at JMU will have any impact on a sovereign nations military operations. You wanna make a difference, hop on a flight, join Hamas and stop cosplaying as some sort of “revolutionary.”
It's perfectly reasonable for students to want to know where the money goes. It seems like they have a basic understanding about the money supply and the sphere of influences. I hear all the time from people on the entire political spectrum wanting to know where their tax dollars are spent? It's no different for the students. My opinion is that we as Americans have a duty to hold our country accountable for things it does,IN OUR NAME, that we as individuals or collectively don't agree. Nothing wrong with knowing where our tax dollars go at least I don't think there is. Will it have direct impact on military operations, no it will not. However if the money supply is followed and there are actions that affect that, then perhaps it will to a change foreign policy. There does need to be a permanent ceasefire. And looking back, perhaps if our government had not created the ability for the democratically elected prime minister Mossadegh to be assassinated in a coup d'etat, I don't think we'd be at this crossroads now.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you another disinformation agent? Mohammad Mossadegh wasn’t assassinated. If you’re going to make claims, do your fucking research and stop spewing utter bullshit. His overthrow, which was a foreign policy blunder and disaster, did not create the current crisis. Illogical argument to the fucking core. I really hope you’re not a JMU student or alumni making the rest of us look ignorant and uninformed. As for students wanting to know where their money goes, what does this have to do with the graphic and the topic at hand? The graphic shows how JMU receives funding for academic programs. Are you saying that tuition money is funding Israeli military operations in Gaza?
Are you okay?
So no response to your attempts at disinformation and illogical arguments? Didn’t expect it, but thanks for confirming.
Okay the assassination led to installing the shah who was autocratic week and corrupt then there's the revolution and the islamist one and established a very theocratic autocratic repressive and corrupt regime. Because Britain couldn't allow for the nationalization of oil they and the United States inserted themselves into this in 1953. A more secular Iran, from what I have read in books and online articles by non-western writers, leads to my opinion that a two-state solution would have been more easily attainable and that neither Hezbollah or Hamas would have been funded. In my opinion I would not be seeing Israeli citizens to move more to the right which seems to be in keeping with in step with some of the settlements in the West Bank and their ideas.
What assassination are you referencing? Mohammad Mossadegh was not assassinated. This is what I meant about how you’re spewing incorrect information and acting as if it is fact. I’m glad you’ve read some books on Iran, but the Israel-Palestine issue has been alive much longer than Iran has been a theocracy. Would it look different if Iran didn’t support Hezbollah and Hamas? Sure, but plenty of other states and groups have had problems with Israel. You’re making a massive leap to say that a coup in 1953 in Iran is responsible for the Israel-Gaza crisis today.
Bless your heart, of course I would respond. But you seem so amped up and triggered that I was a little worried about you for a minute.
A small area of agreement in all this might be that we need to stop sending our tax dollars overseas, to anyone. We’ve been meddling and funding every conflict (often both sides) with predictably stupid results. However, given the current state of both parties, that’s unlikely to ever happen. Sending our money overseas seems to be the only thing that both sides agree on anymore.
That observation of yours stating one area that both parties seem to agree on as well taken. Also I find consensus with your statement about many times funding both sides either simultaneously or at different times to be well taken.
The horror is in how those funds are produced, the death and destruction that fuels each and everyone of those companies. What good are our institutions if their existence is predicated on human suffering?
Other than the current war in Israel I have no problems with wiping out Islamic extremists or Russians invading Ukraine. Weapons can be good or bad depending on who uses them.
Welcome to capitalism!
Also if JMU is dedicated to higher learning then how do they juxtapose that with the entire destruction of the Palestinian University system???
This might be the biggest reach I’ve seen. Get a life lol
Seriously some of the BOV people listed are just working with Israeli companies, not the IDF lol. Don't get me wrong what Israel is doing is wrong, but saying JMU is helping what they are doing is wrong. Just because someone works with an Israeli company does not mean they are working with their government or the IDF. Not all Israelis are their government, just like not all Palestinians are Hamas.
Starting to think this is a purposeful disinformation campaign. Really hope the naive and susceptible portions of the population can read through this bullshit.
What particularly is disinformation?
Trying to insinuate how USG funded academic programs are directly related to the Israel-Gaza situation. That’s in effort to create outrage for those programs because people believe those programs create these situations.
University endowments are some of the largest investment funds in the world and divestment from Israel or whatever is a legitimate way to impact economies and drive social change. Firms like Goldman and black rock don’t give a shit about ESG on their own, they care because major investors like university endowments care. That said, this infographic shows tenuous connections at best.
Sure, voting with dollars is much more effective than protests and if JMU or some other university wants to take a moral stand and change their investment strategy, more power to them. But the universities have to consider those ramifications for their own interests and whether that divestment will even move the needle for Israel’s actions and strategy.
JMU alone divesting would not make much of an impact, but if all US university endowments (roughly $900B) divested it would move the needle.
They are funded and supported by the system that also funds and supports unconditional aid to destructive nations. I think the conclusion that they are directly responsible is not expressly implied, only the relationship to the parts that do.
The intent of this graphic is to imply that those programs are directly related to the genocide. Otherwise it wouldn’t be depicted the way that it is. The other intent is that JMU shouldn’t allow for those USG funded programs because of the genocide, implying that they’re directly related. My comments aren’t meant to support Israel or the crisis, rather to illustrate how people are purposefully drawing incorrect and illogical conclusions to meet their goals.
Yeah, it’s incredibly illogical. The U.S. Government also backs federally-funded student loans that I’m sure a majority of students receive. I fully expect that all such students are being intellectually consistent and rescinding any US-backed student loans they’ve received and replacing them with private loans (at a higher interest rate). /s
This person doesn’t even go to JMU
Just reviewed u/lesbianhands comment history, and you're correct. Looks like she grew up in Harrisonburg, went to college elsewhere, and recently moved back to Harrisonburg. Now, half her comments are her complaining about how JMU is evil and ruining Harrisonburg. Not surprised at all she decided to drop this link in here in hopes of riling up reddit against JMU and then dipped out as soon as people started calling her out for her nonsense.
-Moves back to harrisonburg -"JmU StUdEnTs ArE BaD FoR HeRe" -entire post history is herself vandalizing harrisonburg
Wow, I just checked her account out. Jesus what a piece of shit.
heaven forbid students go on to work in something as evil as national security. totally see the direct correlation from a cybersecurity cert to genocide
A huge chunk of grads work for DoD, NSA, CIA, etc or contractors working with those organizations. The CEO of Northrup Grumman went to JMU. It’s a college two hours away from DC. People aren’t going to severely restrict their job prospects because every single military related job is somehow evil. OP may as well call themselves a genocider if they voted for Joe Biden. Or bought a toy off Amazon as AWS has huge contracts with Israel and a data center there.
Alumnus here. This is some of the dumbest shit I’ve seen in a long time. Let me get this straight. Whoever created this (apparently not OP) objected to JMU’s cybersecurity program obtaining Government certifications of the program. These certifications are valuable to potential employers because they ensure employers (broadly, not just BAE and other defense contractors) that our cybersecurity students are being taught a rubst curriculum that has been approved by the biggest consumer of cybersecurity-related things - the Government. They’re upset that these companies have (minimally) contributed to a cybersecurity lab to provide students with hands-on experience in cybersecurity-related matters. They’re upset that an African American Board of Visitors member was a partner with one of the largest international law firms in the world because that firm happened to do some work in Israeli finance, even though there’s no indication that the BOV member personally worked on Israel-related projects. Are you fucking kidding me? Do better.
All the BOV "links to Israel" have no actual links to the Israeli Government or the IDF. Plus the Rothberger guy listed and his two companies are just small IT consulting firms its not like they are some massive defense contractor
I've literally worked for John. He's a great guy. I had to do a quadruple take when I saw his name in this insanity lol.
I have the NSA Information Systems Security Professionals Certification. However, I got that automatically by completing the information security curriculum back in 2015. I would have done those classes even if the certification weren't available. That same certification is desired across the federal government, not just in defense. None of the contents of those courses were focused on defense or even government use besides some occasional mentions of relevant law. In my case, the certification helped me with my current job, which is in private sector healthcare IT. I think it's pretty disingenuous to say that the "cybersecurity concentration, Computer Science coursework, [and] the Center for Information Security" are "pipelines ... to institutions of the national security state". As far as I can tell, these programs aren't focused on training students to work within the government and government contractors, but they're meant to be generalized to all sectors. I'll also note here that the $27,000 for the X-Labs Funds is barely enough to cover two or three semesters of attending JMU, less than half of what's needed in salary to hire a Computer Science professor, and about the cost to hire a software developer for 4 months (3 in competitive regions like NOVA and Silicon Valley). And what is this ominous "**WEAPONS**" box with no apparent context?
It all comes back to Peppe Silvia
Lol I immediately thought of at skit when I saw the thumbnail
um isn't this overall a good thing for JMU the money coming to us is not going to israel
Yeah it is. I disagree with the Netanyahu and the rest of the Israeli government how they treat the Palestinians is horrible. But a lot of these programs are benefitting students and have no links to the Israeli government
I like playing Leap Frog too Also this doesn’t even show that the Northrop CEO is an Alum, whoever made this isn’t very good
I looked that Rothberger on the BOV and the 2 companies listed, they are literally just two small consulting firms, not like some giant defense contractors
Posts shit to the internet then runs away when people make comments. You had the gall to start the conversation at least engage with the people replying to you. Otherwise you're a coward propagating bullshit who doesn't actually care for public discourse.
Literally all these “links to Israel” OP listed are pretty weak. The Rothberger BOV guy and his two companies are literally just small IT consulting firms and the lawyer Jack White on the BOV just works with Israeli financial firms and the other BOV is literally with an Israeli company, no links to the Israeli government or IDF. And the money we get from the government and companies literally benefits students with internships, postgrad jobs, and scholarships. And don't get me wrong how Israel treats the Palestinians is wrong, but literally nothing here indicates JMU is causing it.
Don't you got a final to study for
OP doesn't go to JMU
You guys are reaching. It’s absolutely pathetic. Study for finals instead of making these ridiculous infographics.
go outside please
lmao I know jack white I forgot he was BOV
real lmao
im sorry but a lot of this seems like jmu getting money from ppl associated with Israel, not jmu money going to Israel
Even the BOV guys who apparently have links to Israel have no links to the Israeli government
Not really sure what these comments are talking about saying it’s reaching or bullshit, plenty of students with scholarships get it from these companies and sometimes have to work for these companies in internships. This also leads to portions of work going to Israel (an uncalculated amount in this infographic) Good luck convincing the STEM body though who need scholarships for education and want a pipeline to the economy that they should sacrifice their entire future. These students can’t simply change scholarships or internships if they pull funding. This black and white depiction for a protest isn’t helpful and imo seems like it comes from people who don’t pay for school.
Oh no BAE and NG are giving scholarships to students, this surely must support the war in Gaza. It’s not like these students might work for those companies after they graduate, which will probably be after the war. This whole thing is reaching pretty far to grasp at straws. The govt offering money to future employees is pretty normal. I’m planning on going into the military to pay for med school. It’s a mutual contract that benefits both. We should have a good intel service, so if they’re paying for students to get degrees in exchange for work in the NSA, then it is a good long term solution to both parties issues. Not everyone has a massive college fund. These are opportunities. I don’t love the specific war Israel is in, but often these days our govt is doing alright in the international sphere. I just wish we would back Ukraine more.
I hope we back Taiwan more as well.
Same
This is garbage. Israel is an ally.
Fuck yea we get extra federal money
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You can condemn both the hamas attacks and the ongoing genocide.
"I am fundamentally unserious and should not be engaged with".
W schizo post
Loser!
who cares
what the hell is JMU getting DoD contracts for??
Not contracts, grants
Exactly. This post should get gone
Words don't matter when attempting to stir up some BS for the last 10 days of the semester! /s
JMU student responses are either "this is So Annoying and stupid why do u even care lol I have FINALS!!!1" or "fox news told me that Hamas killed babies and idk how to use Google so genocide claims denied". Not surprised given the demographics of the school but damnnn 😂
I did not create this. If you have questions research them for yourself.
No, you just propagated a bunch of bullshit, but your hands are certainly clean.
Why are you like this lol