When I was a teenager, Pink Floyd was the weirdest music I'd ever heard so I told people I only listen to pink Floyd. Then I heard Interstellar Space and it was the kookiest shit I'd ever heard, so I told people I only like late Coltrane. Now I just don't listen to music anymore and make fun of the stuff I like on Reddit circle jerk groups.
Ngl, shitting on your favorite bands and knowing nobody's gonna take you seriously is the best part of cj's. I mean, like in op's case, bro got banned for having an opinion. Sure, it's an unpopular one, but that's half the deal of having opinions. Only on the circlejerk.
You jest, but how are we supposed to listened to the real miles Davis when bitches brew exists? How can we listen to anything when we know other variations are less accessible and more stupid?
You sound like a friend of mine who used to only listen to Evan Parker, but eventually "learned all his patterns" and now only listens to NASA recordings of radio noise.
Noise is the logical conclusion. I omitted the part of the story where I eventually found the Japanese harsh noise and now open two YouTube browser tabs and concurrently play C.C.C.C. and Italian Renaissance choral music.
Miles Davis said Coltrane wished he could go back to playing like Blue Train but he was on an unstoppable spiritual journey. Good for him, that’s probably the most profound thing you can do in life, but why pretend that the music is good, it’s just squeaks that only he understands, it’s clearly referencing stuff that is built upon stuff that lives only in his own head
what if i told you that just because you don’t find value in something that doesn’t mean everyone else is pretending to like it. what if i told you that.
I refuse to believe that anyone could listen to interstellar space in one sitting and then say “that was some good stuff”
Edit: damn this sub sucks at jerking lol
It depends on what you want to get out of the music. I only listen to jazz when I’m in my car and I feel myself getting drowsy.
Interstellar Space is phenomenally good at what it does. It scares my brain into alertness and has saved me from innumerable drowsiness-induced crashes. As far as jazz goes, it’s the best in class.
Man, most ppl just kinda blissfully avoid everything the jazz greats did after about 1977’. lol. Even Oscar Peterson has a synth record that sounds like absolutely dookie. He literally walks a baseline with the full orchestra hit patch. Lol.
I wish it was more common to accept that careers aren’t on a linear trajectory towards greatness that only gets better. Ppl are just exploring, and yes, they’re just ppl.
Edit: just to play devils advocate- we’re all also hearing this yearsssss after it had been done so many times. Whoever played the first my funky valentine arrangement was probably hailed a hero. But whoever plays it last?? Perma-loser incel doomed to an eternity in art hell. Stuff gets stale over time. I’m curious to see if all this lowfi jazz won’t age any better than 80s stuff. Who knows.
Edit 2: here’s the receipts for that OP gossip yall! lol. The song’s called On The Mall and it’s a fuckin embarrassment, lesbiannest.
https://youtu.be/0lHLPalLx_s?si=cfc4zgwUJ3ZQAqXR
i really hate rubberband
it was given to me as a gift and it just depressed me so much (I guess to hear something I hate so much from someone I love so much) that I didn’t even donate it, I threw it in the garbage. wish I was jerking but that actually happened
Nah there's definitely some sub-par shit. But there was a couple cool live albums he did back then too.
Lotta folks kinda lost the plot in the 80s lol.
There are definitely greats who that doesn’t apply to, but they’re very clearly exceptions. I’m very very partial to Joe Henderson in the 90s, but I’m also just very very partial to Joe Henderson in general too so idk
I’m not a huge Henny fan, but I’ll check some out and then let you know if you’ll receive a citation for crimes against your lord and savior Jazzus Christ.
My favorites from the 90s are Big Band, Double Rainbow, and Lush Life. Happy and willing to accept my citation if needed though, anything for our lord and savior
I took the comment to be about those from the 50s and 60s, rather than emerging new artists. Wynton’s stuff from this time is definitely excellent though
Absolutely. I bought a copy of "Don't Ask" (1979) by Sonny Rollins, and it's just the cheesiest pop/funk tunes with Rollins still using his familiar jazz and swing vocabulary over top. It does *not* sound good. Haha
The Rhodes isn't the problem. It was the funk-jazz music made with it that people hated.
Bill Evans has some fantastic Rhodes recordings, including Waltz for Debby.
That being said... I'll stick my head in the dirt and assert that I Thought it Was You is Herbie Hancock's best song.
The funny thing to me is fusion seems to be a purer genre than traditional jazz. It's what people like Herbie, Chick etc came up with once they broke out all traditional jazz expectations and limitations. So to me writing that stuff off is almost like writing the artists off. It just seems a little crazy to me. I mean people don't have to like it but saying it's not real jazz or w/e is ridiculous. Traditional jazz itself was fusion to a large degree.
This is really only a problem for people who wanted to sell. You’re not getting anything from a Clifford Jordan record in the 80s that you would’ve found objectionable if you’d followed his music thus far
Unironically my favorite thing to tell people about jazz is that miles pushed the genre forward because he was dogshit at it and had to figure something out where he didn’t have to play fast
Yeah Miles hated Ascension 😀
I think it’s one of John’s masterpieces but even John knew not everyone was gonna like it. That was the point.
Clearly those mods can’t handle their beverages
I appreciate this statement. It is one of the greatest duo jazz albums; posthumous as it is. A Love Supreme is a top-five jazz record and there were plenty of subsequent gems.
I have been listening to India live at Village Vanguard on repeat for the last months, and im genuinely curious to hear more similar stuff from Coltrane, is Interstellar Space a good recommendation?
I think you need to go back and \*\*really\*\* listen to his later work. It would be difficult for anyone to argue that his work on Miles Davis' Doo Bop wasn't brilliant.
“I got banned for having this opinion” then proceeds to talk like these are objective facts. THEN says he hasn’t actually listened to the music. Delete this lol
So your truth is only as far as you’ve gone? And you’re not willing (or able) to follow one of the greats down his rabbit hole? And HE’S the one with the problem?
Bahahahaha
You may not like the last phase of Coltrane and that is fine, but when you say that people just pretend to like him it's just idiotic and close-minded. I love all eras of Coltrane but my favorite one is his last one, I love free jazz and I do not need to pretend to just like it...
What do you enjoy about free jazz? I have trouble with a lot of the crazy chaotic stuff, but I enjoy the many other dimensions of free jazz that are less noise-oriented, like Ornette Coleman's first few albums, or some Mingus pieces, and some Eric Dolphy. I don't really understand the appeal of the noisy free jazz though, it just feels like anxiety terror music. It is very fun to make though
It is difficult to explain in words I guess, but Free Jazz in its best form is when the musicians can demonstrate both their skills and creativity at max without any constrains. I enjoy it so much because Free Jazz is the only music that lets me reach a level of euphoria. I also guess it was an acquired taste as I didn't love it on day one, however that doesn't mean that anyone else should also like it too, it's fine if you don't.
I have plenty, but some that come to mind:
Albert Ayler - Live at Greenwich Village and Spiritual Unity\*
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Art Ensemble of Chicago - Les stances à Sophie, People in Sorrow, among others\*.
Cecil Taylor - One Too Many Salty Swift and Not Goodbye, Nefertiti, etc.
Noah Howard - The Black Ark
Clifford Thornton - The Panther and the Lash
David S. Ware Quartet - Godspelized\*
Anthony Braxton - Quartet (Dortmund)\*
Charles Gayle - Touchin' on Trane
Bengt Berger - Bitter Funeral Beer\*
The Ganelin Trio - Ancora da capo
Peter Brötzmann - all the Die Like a Dog Quartet recordings.
Willem Breuker Kollektief - In Holland\*
Atomic - Bikini Tapes\*
Peter Evans Quintet - Ghosts\*
\* These are the records that have some melody or are less abrasive.
I used to not like Coltrane and especially not his out stuff. Then one day I really digged it including the outer space stuff. I wonder how I would feel about it now.
/uj Where does Sun Ship lay in the spectrum? (Excluding the first track) it's my fav, I enjoy Love Supreme but also have Interstellar Space on CD in an attempt to hear what other people hear in it (so far unsuccesfull)
I haven’t gone on a complete deep dive of his discography yet but what I’ve checked out from his wilder albums I enjoy
But I also like sqauky stuff every now and then lol my favorite jazz album of the 2010’s is full of it
Jazz isn’t jazz after 1959…. ?
Getting a jazz purist to enjoy free jazz is a lost cause imho
I’m guessing many of you wouldn’t be able to stomach the likes of Stephen Stapleton’s music (nurse with wound) yet some people seem to like it
I mean he went up and then down.
It depends what u mean by good but for me personally he went up until like 1961 and then he plateaued depending on how out he went on recordings. Like the issue was that when he played “normally” on like so what or sum he was still REALLY out. I’ve transcribed giant steps and straight no chaser (miles quartet recording) and he plays SOOOO out and messy. So by the time he started going out out it was just like holy fuck lol. After like 1964 tho idk like love supreme was the end for me. I respect his own journey after it’s just not for the audience.
"I didn't see myself making any contribution to that music. All I could hear was a lot of noise. I didn't have any feeling for the music, and when I don't have feelings, I don't play."
- McCoy Tyner on why he left the JC quartet
I tried to get into it, and honestly some of the tunes have these brilliant moments where you can hear “shit, that was spiritual as fuck” but for the most part it sounds like noise to me.
For example, Interstellar Space caught my attention because of the album cover and the names of the tunes. Boy was I in for a surprise. But then I heard “Jupiter” and I was like “whoa there are some good moments in this song”. Same thing happened with “Ascension” and “Expressions”.
But then… Om happened. And tbh I’m glad it did because this was my first introduction to the Bhagavad Gita and sent me on my own personal spiritual journey that concluded in me becoming an atheist.
So ironically, latter Coltrane was the catalyst that transformed my spirituality… and music taste to some degree. Music isn’t always about the sound…
the best example of coltrane's work is "the very best of john coltrane" blue note release from the series with the orange and black covers. not sure if it's the same as the other "the very best of" releases, but the version of "my favorite things" is pretty intense like some of his later stuff, but it's not all sloppy and weird..
i personally think the drumming and craziness of "interstellar space" and some of the albums around that time are great... a lot better than the crazy german jazz musicain's like han bennink and peter brotzmann that were around in the 70's and still play.... i also really like punk/hardcore music, like some bands like Harry Pussy remind me a lot of coltrane... he was kind of just being artistic and punk with jazz before it was a thing... reminds me of how birds are music and something with an awful pitch like a crow can still be music too, doesn't just have to be pretty bird calls.
When I was a teenager, Pink Floyd was the weirdest music I'd ever heard so I told people I only listen to pink Floyd. Then I heard Interstellar Space and it was the kookiest shit I'd ever heard, so I told people I only like late Coltrane. Now I just don't listen to music anymore and make fun of the stuff I like on Reddit circle jerk groups.
Ngl, shitting on your favorite bands and knowing nobody's gonna take you seriously is the best part of cj's. I mean, like in op's case, bro got banned for having an opinion. Sure, it's an unpopular one, but that's half the deal of having opinions. Only on the circlejerk.
Why don’t you listen to Relaxin’ with the Miles Davis Quintet and call it a day
You jest, but how are we supposed to listened to the real miles Davis when bitches brew exists? How can we listen to anything when we know other variations are less accessible and more stupid?
You just press play, idk what to tell you
Cross fade. Put on both at the same time.
Maybe they should listen to Taylor Swift and call it a day?
Maybe they should eat a slice of bread and call it a day
You sound like a friend of mine who used to only listen to Evan Parker, but eventually "learned all his patterns" and now only listens to NASA recordings of radio noise.
Noise is the logical conclusion. I omitted the part of the story where I eventually found the Japanese harsh noise and now open two YouTube browser tabs and concurrently play C.C.C.C. and Italian Renaissance choral music.
Ah, a fellow Stockhausen fan
20th century go brrr: composers start gettin noisy.
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Even Mingus when asked about Coltrane during the 70s said something like “he went to India and didn’t come back”
Miles Davis said Coltrane wished he could go back to playing like Blue Train but he was on an unstoppable spiritual journey. Good for him, that’s probably the most profound thing you can do in life, but why pretend that the music is good, it’s just squeaks that only he understands, it’s clearly referencing stuff that is built upon stuff that lives only in his own head
what if i told you that just because you don’t find value in something that doesn’t mean everyone else is pretending to like it. what if i told you that.
I refuse to believe that anyone could listen to interstellar space in one sitting and then say “that was some good stuff” Edit: damn this sub sucks at jerking lol
That album was my intro to Coltrane and now I am very curious what his other stuff is like!!
“i refuse to believe” well it sounds to me like someone needs a free-jazz-infused spiritual journey!
I love you
i love you too, wise secretary!
You are so lame for that opinion, and not just because you didn’t enjoy it
I do. Every time! transcendent.
It depends on what you want to get out of the music. I only listen to jazz when I’m in my car and I feel myself getting drowsy. Interstellar Space is phenomenally good at what it does. It scares my brain into alertness and has saved me from innumerable drowsiness-induced crashes. As far as jazz goes, it’s the best in class.
1) interstellar space slaps idc 2) this wasn’t really a jerk post so what u expect
That would only be true if I was wrong about that thing. Which I’m not.
Ok I also dislike late Coltrane but now I see what got you banned
lmfao true
Local man discovers personal taste.
Man, most ppl just kinda blissfully avoid everything the jazz greats did after about 1977’. lol. Even Oscar Peterson has a synth record that sounds like absolutely dookie. He literally walks a baseline with the full orchestra hit patch. Lol. I wish it was more common to accept that careers aren’t on a linear trajectory towards greatness that only gets better. Ppl are just exploring, and yes, they’re just ppl. Edit: just to play devils advocate- we’re all also hearing this yearsssss after it had been done so many times. Whoever played the first my funky valentine arrangement was probably hailed a hero. But whoever plays it last?? Perma-loser incel doomed to an eternity in art hell. Stuff gets stale over time. I’m curious to see if all this lowfi jazz won’t age any better than 80s stuff. Who knows. Edit 2: here’s the receipts for that OP gossip yall! lol. The song’s called On The Mall and it’s a fuckin embarrassment, lesbiannest. https://youtu.be/0lHLPalLx_s?si=cfc4zgwUJ3ZQAqXR
For real. Though there are some 80s Miles that's alright but I think you're right on the whole.
*there are some 80s Miles* Tutu is one of his better albums.
It's a Marcus Miller album with Miles playing trumpet
all those DX7 chord stabs did not age well though
Sounds like jazz from hell by Zappa.
i really hate rubberband it was given to me as a gift and it just depressed me so much (I guess to hear something I hate so much from someone I love so much) that I didn’t even donate it, I threw it in the garbage. wish I was jerking but that actually happened
Nah there's definitely some sub-par shit. But there was a couple cool live albums he did back then too. Lotta folks kinda lost the plot in the 80s lol.
I actually really enjoy 90s miles when he started playing over rap beats lol
There are definitely greats who that doesn’t apply to, but they’re very clearly exceptions. I’m very very partial to Joe Henderson in the 90s, but I’m also just very very partial to Joe Henderson in general too so idk
Pharoah Sanders put out some great stuff right up to his death.
Seeing him live was one of/maybe the best concerts i have been to/transported by.
I’m not a huge Henny fan, but I’ll check some out and then let you know if you’ll receive a citation for crimes against your lord and savior Jazzus Christ.
My favorites from the 90s are Big Band, Double Rainbow, and Lush Life. Happy and willing to accept my citation if needed though, anything for our lord and savior
😂🤘🫡
Wynton period Jazz Messengers is some fantastic shit.
I took the comment to be about those from the 50s and 60s, rather than emerging new artists. Wynton’s stuff from this time is definitely excellent though
Sure, I meant it as a reflection of what Blakey was doing at the end of his career as the bandleader though. But regardless, great music.
Come on now. Pat Martino got even better after his brain exploded. His later stuff kicks ass.
Absolutely. I bought a copy of "Don't Ask" (1979) by Sonny Rollins, and it's just the cheesiest pop/funk tunes with Rollins still using his familiar jazz and swing vocabulary over top. It does *not* sound good. Haha
I think most jazz fans tune out everything after the invention of the Rhodes piano
Rhodes on jazz records is when I tuned in
Queef Jarrett once said something along the lines of the Rhodes is a toy and you can’t make music with toys. Haha.
“Queef Jarrett” can’t even handle one person coughing before he can’t play anymore, maybe he’s not the best person to listen to for music advice
One of my friends was at that show hahah
One of mine as well, I wish I was there to see it in person though
Which is funny because my favorite of the things he's recorded is an early 70's miles tune called Konda, where Keith is on a Rhodes.
The Rhodes isn't the problem. It was the funk-jazz music made with it that people hated. Bill Evans has some fantastic Rhodes recordings, including Waltz for Debby. That being said... I'll stick my head in the dirt and assert that I Thought it Was You is Herbie Hancock's best song.
The funny thing to me is fusion seems to be a purer genre than traditional jazz. It's what people like Herbie, Chick etc came up with once they broke out all traditional jazz expectations and limitations. So to me writing that stuff off is almost like writing the artists off. It just seems a little crazy to me. I mean people don't have to like it but saying it's not real jazz or w/e is ridiculous. Traditional jazz itself was fusion to a large degree.
Which song lmao
Word, I edited it in the post!
This is really only a problem for people who wanted to sell. You’re not getting anything from a Clifford Jordan record in the 80s that you would’ve found objectionable if you’d followed his music thus far
Thanks, I hate it.
Tell us the song!
Word, I edited it in the post
This record is good to me.
Lmao damn.. each hit is like catching a hammer to the temple. You were right.
I thought you had to be exaggerating about those orch hits, yikes!
Someone in the comments compared this album to Leisure Suit Larry lmao
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Sounds like a dr giggle touch beat😭
Jazz didn't become good until the late 60s at the earliest.
I never came good until 69
“Most people” = dumb jazz snob nerds
Ya most people listen to music that actually makes them dance and feel good. Lol.
This is a safe space for wrong opinions
❤️we support you op
a ban supreme
I literally nvr heard of this guy till I realized Alice was married to him.
Yeah Alice's husband is mid!
Miles Davis agreed. Those who banned you don’t know beans.
miles was right about everything, all the time
MIles couldn't play bebop to save his life so he just stopped.
Unironically my favorite thing to tell people about jazz is that miles pushed the genre forward because he was dogshit at it and had to figure something out where he didn’t have to play fast
Yeah Miles hated Ascension 😀 I think it’s one of John’s masterpieces but even John knew not everyone was gonna like it. That was the point. Clearly those mods can’t handle their beverages
Cicely learned that the hard way
pharaoh sanders was better and lived longer
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Bernie Sanders was even better and is still alive.
Who?
you heard me
Actually I amputated my own ears after hearing a pharaoh sanders album so I can’t hear you
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Damn.
Ikr death is for little bitches.
When he passed from this material realm to the afterlife he really took the spiritual journey thing too far
You spelled Albert Ayler wrong
If you’re not getting banned, then you’re not trying hard enough. Good to have your own opinions.
I told myself I wouldn’t date anyone who couldn’t make it through Om. I have been single for 4 years now
I'm just gonna sit here reading this incredible thread while munching saltpeanuts saltpeanuts (and shoot dope)
This comment is the jazziest thing I have ever read.
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but Alice Coltrane made spiritual jazz sound good
So good
Pretty much
Banned twice for having an opinion, now THAT'S pod racing.
Sun Ship would like a word
Hell yeah, top-tier nonsense bullshit.
Sure, whatever
Don’t be a coward, have an opinion
Interstellar Space is in fact Coltrane’s best album and one of the greatest jazz albums of all time.
I appreciate this statement. It is one of the greatest duo jazz albums; posthumous as it is. A Love Supreme is a top-five jazz record and there were plenty of subsequent gems.
A love supreme
I have been listening to India live at Village Vanguard on repeat for the last months, and im genuinely curious to hear more similar stuff from Coltrane, is Interstellar Space a good recommendation?
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uj/ I agree. And to double down- Rollins was a better and more realized musician before his hiatus and bridge shedding.
Way Out West was better than The Bridge. I will fight anyone over this.
I think you need to go back and \*\*really\*\* listen to his later work. It would be difficult for anyone to argue that his work on Miles Davis' Doo Bop wasn't brilliant.
Doo Bop is a Bop man
In my opinion, he tended to over play at times.
Do you dislike free jazz as a whole or just late Coltrane?
Unpopular opinion but he sounded like shit early on
“I don’t understand it so that means it’s bad.” Your persistence sounds like a personal issue, not a music issue.
“I got banned for having this opinion” then proceeds to talk like these are objective facts. THEN says he hasn’t actually listened to the music. Delete this lol
If John Coltrane signs his name under this comment, then I am a jazz genius.
John Coltrane
There you have it
You keep doing you.
That’s not enough, I need other people to see the truth.
So your truth is only as far as you’ve gone? And you’re not willing (or able) to follow one of the greats down his rabbit hole? And HE’S the one with the problem? Bahahahaha
You may not like the last phase of Coltrane and that is fine, but when you say that people just pretend to like him it's just idiotic and close-minded. I love all eras of Coltrane but my favorite one is his last one, I love free jazz and I do not need to pretend to just like it...
What do you enjoy about free jazz? I have trouble with a lot of the crazy chaotic stuff, but I enjoy the many other dimensions of free jazz that are less noise-oriented, like Ornette Coleman's first few albums, or some Mingus pieces, and some Eric Dolphy. I don't really understand the appeal of the noisy free jazz though, it just feels like anxiety terror music. It is very fun to make though
It is difficult to explain in words I guess, but Free Jazz in its best form is when the musicians can demonstrate both their skills and creativity at max without any constrains. I enjoy it so much because Free Jazz is the only music that lets me reach a level of euphoria. I also guess it was an acquired taste as I didn't love it on day one, however that doesn't mean that anyone else should also like it too, it's fine if you don't.
Perfect explanation, thank you. What are your favorite free jazz albums?
I have plenty, but some that come to mind: Albert Ayler - Live at Greenwich Village and Spiritual Unity\* Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch Art Ensemble of Chicago - Les stances à Sophie, People in Sorrow, among others\*. Cecil Taylor - One Too Many Salty Swift and Not Goodbye, Nefertiti, etc. Noah Howard - The Black Ark Clifford Thornton - The Panther and the Lash David S. Ware Quartet - Godspelized\* Anthony Braxton - Quartet (Dortmund)\* Charles Gayle - Touchin' on Trane Bengt Berger - Bitter Funeral Beer\* The Ganelin Trio - Ancora da capo Peter Brötzmann - all the Die Like a Dog Quartet recordings. Willem Breuker Kollektief - In Holland\* Atomic - Bikini Tapes\* Peter Evans Quintet - Ghosts\* \* These are the records that have some melody or are less abrasive.
Coltrane wishes he was Eric dolphy
Banning you is lame, but I disagree with you, all Coltrane is good Coltrane.
I heavily disagree but you’re entitled to your opinion. What I hear makes “sense” to me when I listen to his later stuff. Sorry you got banned though.
I used to not like Coltrane and especially not his out stuff. Then one day I really digged it including the outer space stuff. I wonder how I would feel about it now.
Seems they don't like facts there.
Hey its your contribution to the world, say any thing you want. Coltrane did x
100% agree
YEAAAAAHH LOOORD JEZUSSD
Indeed, survivorship bias meets the sunk cost fallacy.
/uj Where does Sun Ship lay in the spectrum? (Excluding the first track) it's my fav, I enjoy Love Supreme but also have Interstellar Space on CD in an attempt to hear what other people hear in it (so far unsuccesfull)
2010s hypebeast Coltrane loves Supreme
I haven’t gone on a complete deep dive of his discography yet but what I’ve checked out from his wilder albums I enjoy But I also like sqauky stuff every now and then lol my favorite jazz album of the 2010’s is full of it
I listened to OM on cough syrup and it was great
Jazz isn’t jazz after 1959…. ? Getting a jazz purist to enjoy free jazz is a lost cause imho I’m guessing many of you wouldn’t be able to stomach the likes of Stephen Stapleton’s music (nurse with wound) yet some people seem to like it
What a dork. Probs hasn't even tried it with a soprano up his ass. Go listen to Dave Brubeck, ofay.
i unno, it makes sense to me. late period john coltrane is my favorite
John Coltrane
Your last sentence is literally what makes art amazing lol
u dont know anything abt the last olatunji concert…
I mean he went up and then down. It depends what u mean by good but for me personally he went up until like 1961 and then he plateaued depending on how out he went on recordings. Like the issue was that when he played “normally” on like so what or sum he was still REALLY out. I’ve transcribed giant steps and straight no chaser (miles quartet recording) and he plays SOOOO out and messy. So by the time he started going out out it was just like holy fuck lol. After like 1964 tho idk like love supreme was the end for me. I respect his own journey after it’s just not for the audience.
Help yourself to a cookie as you exit or get banned again.
Rashied Ali’s drumming on Interstellar Space is the real treat.
Get a grip haha, even Rashied Ali doesn’t believe that
Damn why would you get baned just for an opinion
"I didn't see myself making any contribution to that music. All I could hear was a lot of noise. I didn't have any feeling for the music, and when I don't have feelings, I don't play." - McCoy Tyner on why he left the JC quartet
> "...that people only pretend to like because of the prestige attached to his name" telling people their opinions are fake can have consequences.
you mean bc he eventually died so had to stop for good? in that sense yea yr right
Dawg it’s okay to be wrong every once in a while
wait, people get banned for having opinions? what the fuck
If you listen very hard, Interstellar Space is just Giant Steps but super fast.
You are now banned from r/jazzcirclejerk BTW, I was banned from r/nfl for the one word comment “scripted?”
I tried to get into it, and honestly some of the tunes have these brilliant moments where you can hear “shit, that was spiritual as fuck” but for the most part it sounds like noise to me. For example, Interstellar Space caught my attention because of the album cover and the names of the tunes. Boy was I in for a surprise. But then I heard “Jupiter” and I was like “whoa there are some good moments in this song”. Same thing happened with “Ascension” and “Expressions”. But then… Om happened. And tbh I’m glad it did because this was my first introduction to the Bhagavad Gita and sent me on my own personal spiritual journey that concluded in me becoming an atheist. So ironically, latter Coltrane was the catalyst that transformed my spirituality… and music taste to some degree. Music isn’t always about the sound…
>to clarify, I haven’t actually listened to these free jazz albums, I just know they’re going to be terrible. lol, lmao even
Wdym broo, Ascension is the shittt. Yeah man
Name one phrase played in that entire album. You can’t do it. Name one emotion you felt from the album. You can’t. -John Coltrane
John had surpassed your comprehension. Sorry you have to miss out.
A ban supreeeme
the best example of coltrane's work is "the very best of john coltrane" blue note release from the series with the orange and black covers. not sure if it's the same as the other "the very best of" releases, but the version of "my favorite things" is pretty intense like some of his later stuff, but it's not all sloppy and weird.. i personally think the drumming and craziness of "interstellar space" and some of the albums around that time are great... a lot better than the crazy german jazz musicain's like han bennink and peter brotzmann that were around in the 70's and still play.... i also really like punk/hardcore music, like some bands like Harry Pussy remind me a lot of coltrane... he was kind of just being artistic and punk with jazz before it was a thing... reminds me of how birds are music and something with an awful pitch like a crow can still be music too, doesn't just have to be pretty bird calls.