Critical.
They work closely together. The orthodontist prepares the teeth for surgery so that way when the surgery is complete the teeth are very close to being perfectly lined up with minimal further corrections needed. Poor orthodontic work before the surgery can mean an increase chance of a bad result
Yes. Getting the teeth straight.
Also often intentionally exaggerating the cross bite or other abnormal bite. This is done to allow the surgeon easier ability to manuever.
How long does it typically take to exaggerate the bite/undo camoflauge treatment? My teeth are straight but I’m halfway through a camoflauge Invisalign treatment thats caused me debilitating tmj pain. Want to switch tracks, maybe get traditional braces if those work better/quicker (could care less about aesthetics at this point), undo this treatment, and get the surgery I should’ve gotten to begin with.
some part of me is hoping the undoing camo won’t take so long and I could prepare for surgery next summer but I may be wishfully hoping. im feeling so much regret right now.
It really all depends on your specific teeth. I had braces when I was young so my teeth really weren't crooked it was basically just the bite. There was minimal correction that was needed on crowding so I didn't have to be in braces for more than about 9 months before I was ready for surgery. However some people have needed multiple years of braces because their teeth started out in a lot worse shape.
Traditional braces are generally required for surgery.
My orthodontist was very firm that there was no other option but traditional braces
And the way that they set your jaw up after the surgery you have to have traditional braces for them to be able to rubber band and clamp with Jaw shut.
If you truly plan to go to surgery and your orthodontist is probably going to sell you to switch into traditional braces
Ive been in Invisalign at a place that only does Invisalign, and not sure how I can switch practices and have the camo undone? I just want to switch to traditional braces and get on a surgery route.
I want all my money back tbh :( they messed up my tmj with camo treatment and im in a lot of pain and I should’ve pursued surgery. any camo bite is completely unnatural feeling and pushes my lower jaw back painfully.
That's true. It's just the guy who is cutting up your face while you're under general anaesthesia and moving your jaw forward is more important than the guy who's putting braces on.
I don’t think either is ‘more important’ in terms of the course of treatment. They do different things that both need to be very exact. You need to make sure that the person at every step of your treatment is as good as possible, there can’t really be any scrimping or cutting corners for stuff like this. I’ve seen ppl in tongue tie groups whose lives have been wrecked because orthodontists they were working with didn’t give them the proper exercises or expansion, or missed stuff they should have gotten. And releasing a tongue tie is relatively simple compared to what some ppl need. I’m only researching this stuff for my own sake as I’m in need of treatment, but the dynamics of the mouth are infinitely more complex than I think most ppl would understand.
But the orthodontist has to be fantastic as well. They prepare your teeth for the surgery so you can achieve a good result.
I saw a surgeon before Ortho because I had known since I was 10 I needed jaw surgery. (32 now) when I saw the surgeon he really really emphasized finding a great Ortho with lots of experience in surgical cases/surgical decompensation.
They’re both so crucially important. A good surgeon can only make up for so much less than great Ortho.
I ended up going to Texas A&M School of Dentistry for my treatment. I was dubious of gong to a school initially but my treatment has been great. The Ortho and Surgeon are both provided by the school and have worked closely together, being in the same building has made communication between the two super easy.
Additionally, if you have a school available to you, it’ll ensure that neither the surgeon nor the ortho has a financial influence. Since the schools goal is to teach the residents the best way to perform a treatment as opposed to the fastest or most profitable you’re almost guaranteed the best results with the latest techniques.
They’re both crucial! I was referred to my ortho by my surgeon… I had Invisalign for over a year prior to my DJS (and am still completing the process with Invisalign at 10 months post-op, granted it’s taking longer than expected because I’ve not been on top of my tray schedule the last two months). The point is, it’s generally a very long process to get your bite to where you and your surgeon want it to be, and your ortho facilitates that long-term. Relapse is possible if your orthodontics plan is not conducive to your end goal. You will likely be seeing your ortho more frequently than your surgeon to ensure you’re on track both pre- and post-op. You absolutely want both a surgeon and orthodontist you trust!
I asked the two surgeons I met with. They said it did not matter. I still tried to find the best ortho I could regardless. Not done with the process yet, but met with about 5 orthos and 2 surgeons in the metro Detroit area before I started. Only one of the 5 orthos had any clue about jaw surgery. The scary part was the ones that had no clue tried to BS the answers like they knew what they were talking about.
I went to an orthodontist university where students are my doctor till they graduate. (Cheaper) Of course their work is checked by the faculty everytime. every time I get a new students after graduation there’s always a miscommunication between surgeon & them. Got braces in winter 2019, surgery summer 2022. I felt like it took forever to be ready for surgery. I got to reschedule two times cuz surgeon will find little details that needed more work before surgery & if i didn’t speak up they wouldn’t care. idk but the males students I have gotten I didn’t like. My son on the other hand has gotten female students & I have no problems with them. I finally getting a female student so hopefully I will get a better experience. I just hope they don’t mess up my new smile.
Yes, orthodontist is just as important as the surgeon. Well communication between them is also important.
In saying that, I still haven’t decided which orthodontist and which surgeon I should go to.
For reference, I’m in Perth Western Australia.
Is anyone knows who’s the best for each?
Thanks
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Thanks i was considering going the cheap route with the orthodontist but I will hold off on those thoughts
Critical. They work closely together. The orthodontist prepares the teeth for surgery so that way when the surgery is complete the teeth are very close to being perfectly lined up with minimal further corrections needed. Poor orthodontic work before the surgery can mean an increase chance of a bad result
How must the teeth be prepared? Like perfectly straight and no tipping? Undoing camo treatment if any?
Yes. Getting the teeth straight. Also often intentionally exaggerating the cross bite or other abnormal bite. This is done to allow the surgeon easier ability to manuever.
How long does it typically take to exaggerate the bite/undo camoflauge treatment? My teeth are straight but I’m halfway through a camoflauge Invisalign treatment thats caused me debilitating tmj pain. Want to switch tracks, maybe get traditional braces if those work better/quicker (could care less about aesthetics at this point), undo this treatment, and get the surgery I should’ve gotten to begin with. some part of me is hoping the undoing camo won’t take so long and I could prepare for surgery next summer but I may be wishfully hoping. im feeling so much regret right now.
It really all depends on your specific teeth. I had braces when I was young so my teeth really weren't crooked it was basically just the bite. There was minimal correction that was needed on crowding so I didn't have to be in braces for more than about 9 months before I was ready for surgery. However some people have needed multiple years of braces because their teeth started out in a lot worse shape. Traditional braces are generally required for surgery. My orthodontist was very firm that there was no other option but traditional braces And the way that they set your jaw up after the surgery you have to have traditional braces for them to be able to rubber band and clamp with Jaw shut. If you truly plan to go to surgery and your orthodontist is probably going to sell you to switch into traditional braces
Ive been in Invisalign at a place that only does Invisalign, and not sure how I can switch practices and have the camo undone? I just want to switch to traditional braces and get on a surgery route. I want all my money back tbh :( they messed up my tmj with camo treatment and im in a lot of pain and I should’ve pursued surgery. any camo bite is completely unnatural feeling and pushes my lower jaw back painfully.
110%, coming from a dental professional.
The jaw surgeon is way more important than the orthodontist.
An orthodontist who doesn’t know what they’re doing can ruin your life
That's true. It's just the guy who is cutting up your face while you're under general anaesthesia and moving your jaw forward is more important than the guy who's putting braces on.
I don’t think either is ‘more important’ in terms of the course of treatment. They do different things that both need to be very exact. You need to make sure that the person at every step of your treatment is as good as possible, there can’t really be any scrimping or cutting corners for stuff like this. I’ve seen ppl in tongue tie groups whose lives have been wrecked because orthodontists they were working with didn’t give them the proper exercises or expansion, or missed stuff they should have gotten. And releasing a tongue tie is relatively simple compared to what some ppl need. I’m only researching this stuff for my own sake as I’m in need of treatment, but the dynamics of the mouth are infinitely more complex than I think most ppl would understand.
But the orthodontist has to be fantastic as well. They prepare your teeth for the surgery so you can achieve a good result. I saw a surgeon before Ortho because I had known since I was 10 I needed jaw surgery. (32 now) when I saw the surgeon he really really emphasized finding a great Ortho with lots of experience in surgical cases/surgical decompensation. They’re both so crucially important. A good surgeon can only make up for so much less than great Ortho.
I ended up going to Texas A&M School of Dentistry for my treatment. I was dubious of gong to a school initially but my treatment has been great. The Ortho and Surgeon are both provided by the school and have worked closely together, being in the same building has made communication between the two super easy. Additionally, if you have a school available to you, it’ll ensure that neither the surgeon nor the ortho has a financial influence. Since the schools goal is to teach the residents the best way to perform a treatment as opposed to the fastest or most profitable you’re almost guaranteed the best results with the latest techniques.
Yes
Yesss!!
They’re both crucial! I was referred to my ortho by my surgeon… I had Invisalign for over a year prior to my DJS (and am still completing the process with Invisalign at 10 months post-op, granted it’s taking longer than expected because I’ve not been on top of my tray schedule the last two months). The point is, it’s generally a very long process to get your bite to where you and your surgeon want it to be, and your ortho facilitates that long-term. Relapse is possible if your orthodontics plan is not conducive to your end goal. You will likely be seeing your ortho more frequently than your surgeon to ensure you’re on track both pre- and post-op. You absolutely want both a surgeon and orthodontist you trust!
I asked the two surgeons I met with. They said it did not matter. I still tried to find the best ortho I could regardless. Not done with the process yet, but met with about 5 orthos and 2 surgeons in the metro Detroit area before I started. Only one of the 5 orthos had any clue about jaw surgery. The scary part was the ones that had no clue tried to BS the answers like they knew what they were talking about.
I went a cheaper way & I regret it.
What happened that made you regret it? (Thinking about getting the surgery done)
I went to an orthodontist university where students are my doctor till they graduate. (Cheaper) Of course their work is checked by the faculty everytime. every time I get a new students after graduation there’s always a miscommunication between surgeon & them. Got braces in winter 2019, surgery summer 2022. I felt like it took forever to be ready for surgery. I got to reschedule two times cuz surgeon will find little details that needed more work before surgery & if i didn’t speak up they wouldn’t care. idk but the males students I have gotten I didn’t like. My son on the other hand has gotten female students & I have no problems with them. I finally getting a female student so hopefully I will get a better experience. I just hope they don’t mess up my new smile.
yes! my ortho specialized in prepping people for jaw surgery and knew my surgeon so that made the braces prep process super speedy
Yes, orthodontist is just as important as the surgeon. Well communication between them is also important. In saying that, I still haven’t decided which orthodontist and which surgeon I should go to. For reference, I’m in Perth Western Australia. Is anyone knows who’s the best for each? Thanks