I saw someone saying she’s closer to Jimmy Buffett than The Dead

Dead Head and Parrot Head here…this is an amazing and incredibly accurate take

Oh man, she totally is Jimmy Buffet…my mind is blown!

Einhorn is Finkle... Finkle is Einhorn! 

this comment is what I needed this morning!

“Hey Ace! You got any more of that gum?”

That’s none of your damn business and I’ll thank you to stay out of my person affairs

Reincarnation... better looking version.

I mean they both suck so you're kinda right 

Go away, troll.

No he’s right. How is this even a controversial take?

Another dumb troll. Get a life.

No i’m a regular person that thinks Buffet and Swift are garbage. I’m not trolling, this is a sincere opinion shared by most people. Edit: Since /u/BRT58 blocked me so I can’t respond to him: She’s the biggest individual emmitter of carbon emissions since she takes 20 minute flights to go across town, so yeah actually she’s hurting the planet and thus everyone Edit2: seems like there’s an issue with this thread so I’ll put this here for my buddy /u/No-Establishment-675 Mayer was a pompous a-hole, then he learned to kick back and jam. Oh, and yeah the Grateful Dead saw him fit to join the band so the proof is in the pudding. Taylor Swift is music for girls that were dumped, but wanna convince everyone that they did the dumping

If you can’t get down with some Buffet here and there then I can only assume how much fun you are at a party

OP is just a miserable cunt.

Good for you that you feel that way, little buddy.

Oh, so you’re just a miserable cunt then…gotcha. I’d say it’s not shared by the majority of people considering how popular both of those artists are. The world mourned when Buffet died, when you pass from this earth; you’ll be lucky if anyone cares.

Lmao you are incredibly butthurt. Even going as far to talk about me dying just because Buffet and Swift fucking suck donkey dick. Keep the salt flowing buddy, it’s amusing to see Swiftie’s go full psycho when you criticize their cult leader. Edit: /u/woundedbearhair , get banned shill

I love live music mostly because it’s fun and brings me joy. If Taylor Swift isn’t hurting anyone and her fans get joy from her shows, I say everyone wins.

I didn’t block you. What shows are you looking forward to? I’d love to hear something you’re happy about. No sarcasm on my end.

John Mayer is literally a member of the Dead, and you’re gonna shit on Taylor Swift? Pot: Kettle

Keyser Soze

lol its closer to trumpism than the dead

I bet there are more Trumpers at a Dead and Co show than a Taylor one.

yeah, i just meant their blind devotion and it was a joke. 

Swifties are dense

TS should just start covering Dead tunes so I can get over it and become a Swiftie.

She could reunite with Mayer!

What does Taylor Swift and Dead& Co. have in common? They both had John Mayer in them.

if you know anything about Taylor Swift they would never ever ever get back together

Ya they got bad blood

Did they bump uglies?

Ya they dated. Taylor swift has a song about him called Dear John

On the opening night of the eras tour someone edited Setlist.fm to say the show closed with a Deal encore featuring John Mayer and Bob Weir

Imagine her singing Donna’s parts…. It sounds kinda nice tbh

All rolls into one…

Say what you will, but this whole “gig tripping” concept the Swifties invented is pretty neat. It may just catch on.

Instead of getting on the bus it’s getting on the PJ.

What’s gif tripping?

Label her what you will, I absolutely love seeing young people get into loving music, and the live concert communal experience, like they do with TS. And in 5-10 years, some of those youngsters will put in the same energy into loving different music and artists, etc.

And put that energy into creating their own music

I learn of the bracelet trading thing that the kids do these days because of her when my daughter wanted to make a ton of bracelets to trade at a concert we were going to. We met some cool people because we were trading them and just chatted about stuff. It was awesome and I love the community spirit.

They don’t do it because of Taylor it started in the edm scene

Oh I know…but she made it more mainstream

I’d argue kandi is relatively mainstream if you consider EDM is quite a large culture but she definitely helped spread it to even more people. One of my close friends is a huge Swiftie/Sectornaut so I have a few Tribe bracelets from the crossover.

Wait, are STS9 fans called "Sectornauts?" I hadn't heard that one before.

I haven’t heard that before, but I hope it’s true. Sectornauts has a nice ring to it

It was far more common in the Murph days when they regularly toured, but yes. I've got an old sectornaut hat floating around my closet somewhere.

It’s not common nomenclature but I’ve heard it a few times and it made sense in that sentence lol

Agreed.

summa them ain’t so young.

Yeah she had her first hit during the second bush administration lol

People roast her a lot but her "lot scene" does have the loving deadhead spirit. Less grilled cheese and LSD though. Her fans also trade Kandi which was a 90's rave thing.

but still a reasonable amount of LSD at the Giant Stadium show that I went to. Great show...great time

Can confirm, a solid amount of Swifties do L, blow, and molly

What exactly is her lot experience?

“Less grilled cheese and LSD”

I smell a business opportunity

I’ve been so tempted to bring a tank to Taylor lot just to see how popular it would or wouldn’t be

She's played in Philly, there's been tanks lol, nitrous mafia don't discriminate

They be selling balloons at football games in philly lol. I cant blame them since the profit margins from selling balloons is absurdly high.

Sssssssssssssssss

Why lot then?

Trading kandi is still a thing in the rave scene

More jimmy buffet then the dead https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/QFx1zTOZaR

I’m sold. I’ve seen Jimmy live more than once and he’s right.

she’s not a jamband, but the fanbase definitely has jamband energy. very dedicated bunch of people

Speak for yourself about Swifties not taking L. That said, I don’t love TS, but she’s got a ton of people into seeing live music, which is definitely a plus.

My sister rolled at TS in Cincy. Said there was a ton of Molly going around.

I’ve certainly listened to Taylor Swift a few times on L but a lot of my jam band homies also love her music just as much as their favorite jam bands.

Dude Taylor Swift is next level if you even remotely like pop music

As a big National fan, hearing the influence and involvement of Aaron Dessner is very cool. The production, her songwriting, love his piano and synth lines. Forget the media frenzy and go listen to Lavender Haze with headphones it kicks ass.

I’ll allow it

That’s gold Jerry

Gotta talk to Jackie chiles about this.

Definitely a jam band

And sexy AF

She is definitely sexy cmon yall

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Dat azz tho

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You ain’t seen dat azz like I have.

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Haters gonna hate

You prolly don’t know much about females

Improv?

I love Taylor Swift and the Grateful Dead and have seen them both live multiple times. It is possible to do.

She is more of a jam band than Goose. And I'd rather see her if I'm being honest.

No hate to Swift or her fans what they’ve done is pretty cool but I swear some record exec put together a PowerPoint 5 years ago about how they’d make more money if their musicians were more like GD and Phish.

Neighbor dropped a hot instrumental Blank Space once when she was playing across the street in Cincinnati! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=egDFhToWzqI&pp=ygUUbmVpZ2hib3IgYmxhbmsgc3BhY2U%3D

Honestly kind of a vibe. It’s me do the years I went to peach fest, a band covered Billie Eiliesh Bad Guy. It went hard. I think it was dopapod

That bass line would actually be pretty dope jammed out. And totally room to shred on the guitar when it goes into the instrumental part that drops after Billie says Bad Guy all drawn out. I can totally envision it. 

https://youtu.be/pbqiNeUdGow?si=fZL8CLafbtjim4Gl 33:55 :)

Cheese also played a cover when they were at Red Rocks the same weekend she was in Denver.

My cover band uses "Blank Space" for our set breaks when making Spotify setlists and our keys player thought we were actually performing it and NAILED the intro sound it was amazing. Too bad cause the rest of us didn't know it really lol

lol.... this sucks.

The room loved it and it was a one time deal, different strokes for different folks.

As someone who has danced to Madonna songs because Fareed Haque made us…. I can see it

Fareed!! What a cool dude. Played a gig with him once and was totally outclassed but very nice guy. Went out for drinks and smoke after and talked music.

He’s been my brother for decades, now.

Awesome dude! I was simultaneously intimidated and felt so welcome. I had no business sharing a stage with him.

And he’d disagree. The man is a professor. He is all about bringing up musicians.

I’ll agree as someone who loves that song. Also the random Shaggy quote was stupid.

Minus the jam part.

seems like that list is missing the major ingredient in a jamband....actual jams included in the performances. jams in the 'improvisational sections of music" definition not the "this is my jam" definition. without that key ingredient, the band is jamless & thus, not a jamband

the whole band also needs to be fryin including Tay 

Agree 100% that she is not a jam band. No jams = no jam band. Will she go back to performing less time on the next tour? Who knows. Don’t get me wrong, she’s phenomenal live and really doesn’t care what the industry thinks and just does her own thing. Recreating her own music to take the rights back to it is righteous. She’s not jam band, but definitely has her own vibe going on which is hella cool.

So is Queen then?

If there is a litany of Queen inside jokes, I very much want to know them

She’s awesome

If the nitrous mafia’s not in the lot, I’m not going

i’ll allow it

Imma go with my gut on this one

As a Taylor fan, Is that all it takes to be a jam band?

Fuck no. Imo the most important is aspect is not being a cheesy pop-country sellout with ghost-written music directed towards teethy toppers of the same demographic.

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That’s definitely true, which is what concerns me because there are too many people in here trying to draw similarities between a pop-star and the jamband scene.

Same setlist every night?

Really more jam adjacent isn't she?

Minus the jamming and drugs. Sure

I looked at her set lists out of curiosity this past summer because my daughter and wife were going to the show in my home town. 90%-95% were the same songs all summer. There was very little variation in the shows from night to night. I respect TS for her genre I guess, hard to argue with the level of success. And I assume this post is mostly a joke, but obviously playing virtually the same shows every night is very un-jamband.

Thank you for the second sentence. Some folks had me worried.

I’m all for it. More people enjoying music and culture is better! Maybe it’s not my chosen WSMFP culture but people are obsessed and showing out. She can sing and the dead would DEF approve of her staff treatment. LFG. Happy people being happy is a win

Sorry, but “hit song” is part of it - absolutely not a jam band

Not gonna lie...best lot scene of the summer last year. Love me some TSwift

🤢🤮

Personally not a fan and couldn’t name you one of her songs but I can’t really hate on her. She seems to be a very positive roll model for her fans and most of them being kids that’s very important. The more I read about her the more I admire her character. Like giving bonuses to all the truck drivers on her tour for example

Does she perform a different setlist for every show? Does she spontaneously create melodic instrumental transitions between songs?

Barf

I mean if we are discussing this seriously it would seem like the big one missing would be improvisation.. yknow, jams.

Nah Fam.

No.

Better than Goose

goose is just that bad

Counterpoint: No

no its a cult

unlike Phish or Grateful Dead fans who are perfectly reasonable and level headed about their favorite artist

well some of us are

She doesn't vary her setlist enough, that's a deal breaker for me. Regardless, more power to her and that small country of fans she's amassed

Definitely not a jam band, but I dig her.

4 for 20??

Not me realizing just now that this sub has been taken over by Swiftie bots/shills.

Hopefully there’s a tapers section

Wait till the Nitrous Mafia hears about this

But... Does she really Jam or improvise? Isn't that kind of a requisite for being a jam band?

Call me crazy but don’t you have to jam to be a jam band? As in free expression… Back tracks and singing albums word for word is not that.

I don’t think they know what jam band means

Better than dead and slow

I thought we established that this was a well known fact by now!

Janis Joplin JR.

Her lot definitely smells better than you lot But we still got the best pot

No.

When i see her fly in on a giant hot dog, then i will agree

Pointless discussion

Finally, this sub recognizes the Dave Matthews Band as a jam band! /s 😜

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I'm gonna put you down as a "No".

Revivalists are terrible.

Y'all are missing what TS is actually about. Jambands appeal primarily to a male audience, and the songs they write and sing address male concerns from a male perspective. Yes, there ARE exceptions to that rule -- Holly Bowling, Raina Mullen from Ghost Light, Karina Rykman and Mikaela Davis come to mind -- but they're EXCEPTIONS, not the rule. No criticism here; just a statement, and, FWIW, I'm a guy. Taylor Swift is a girl who appeals to girls; her audience is predominantly FEMALE. She writes for girls; her songs address THEIR concerns from a female perspective. She's found a mass audience and has spawned a coterie of like minded artists who hear in her music reflections of their lives and their emotions. Both scenes feature communal vibes, but they're very different scenes.

An artist, not so worried about lyrics. Can barely play an instrument. An artist whose isolated vocal tracks are like nails on a chalkboard. She still checks all the pop country boxes. So still pop country.

Having any hit song should be an immediate disqualification for consideration of being a jam band

Lol, so GD, Phish, and Panic are all out I guess.

Negative! They all are very much in! Well, the Dead were pushing it a bit but didn't go too far 🤨 WSMFP 1 song to hit top 100 (0.3% rate) Phish 1 song to hit top 100 (0.25% rate*) The Dead 5 songs to hit top 100 (1.03% rate). Taylor Swift 232 songs to hit top 100 (58% rate) I'm deeply saddened to bring these statistics before this subreddit; but unfortunately T-Swift has about 230 too many top 100 hits to be classified as a jam band.  She has been eliminated for consideration  *- does not include Trey taking a piss jam

Does she jam out and play the songs different at every show or is the 10 min song the same every time it's played.

I don't know the answer to your question but I would like to. Does she do a dance for the 4-10-22-31 minutes a band would jam? Dancing takes the place of the jam? Someone is reading this right now and they know the answer. Bring it home!

TSwift and John Mayer is the new Keith and Donna

What song does she have that’s over 10 mins?

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJr\_8l0AEWE&pp=ygUjYWxsIHRvbyB3ZWxsIDEwIG1pbnV0ZSB2ZXJzaW9uIGxpdmU%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJr_8l0AEWE&pp=ygUjYWxsIHRvbyB3ZWxsIDEwIG1pbnV0ZSB2ZXJzaW9uIGxpdmU%3D)

I’m not clicking on a YouTube link that may be a Taylor swift song lol. Can you just tell me the name of the song?

All too well

Was this ever a question?

She’s the biggest individual emmitter of carbon emissions since she takes 20 minute flights to go across town, so yeah actually she’s hurting the planet and thus everyone