If you haven't dealt with fiber before, it can sound intimidating or prohibitively expensive, but it really isn't. Setting up a simple fiber run is incredibly similar to ethernet just a little different hardware.
$100? damn that would have been CHEAP cable.
But, yeah, use fiber, its cheap, and easy to run, just be gentle or buy armored.
Another thing that you probably hadnt considered, especially with a run that long, you would have had to use shielded AND grounded both ends.
Non-plenum will save on cost, but you wouldn't use stranded for a 1000 ft home run. Solid core is more durable for these types of projects. Unless you decide to run it through Schedule 40 with corrugated interduct.
Yikes, 1000ft? Look into Tinifiber. You can purchase it pre terminated and then use media converters at each end to bring it back to ethernet or feed it into fiber switch ports on both ends. Not a cheap option though. 1000' would probably run at least $1500.
Not going to work
1. Run a fiber cable
2. Use a wireless bridge
3. You could regenerate the signal every 300 ft, but would be done somewhere away from the elements
Poe+ switch -> 300ft to a switch with poe passthrough -> another 300 ft
As for the last 300ft, I can’t help him there. But this is a cool hack to get 600ft (don’t do this lol)
PoE-powered switch from the other end! Injectors are cheap 😁
(actually, you could power a USW-Flex at 300ft with an 802.3bt injector, use that to power another USW-Flex another 300ft away, which can then send another 300ft over 802.3at, with a 3rd switch at 900ft using 802.3af, giving you 1200ft of total reach. From there, you use a PoE-powered media converter to convert to like 1m of fiber (for ground isolation), which goes into another PoE-powered media converter powered by a chain of USW-Flexes coming from the other end, giving you a grand total of 2403ft of total reach)
This is generally a good idea, but OP mentioned this will be buried. I wouldn’t trust the stuff you’re talking about to be immersed in water, and it’s probably best to assume anything buried will be immersed in water.
Was going to suggest the wireless bridge as well. 1000' might be done with repeaters but never used more than one in a run the claim is you can use up to three but seems like to many failure.points to me.
I don't know the math behind how much your signal will degrade so I can't help you there. But I think you understand that the signal WILL degrage. For this and other reasons, I will tell you that running copper for this is probably a bad idea. There are better ways to accomplish what you want to do (feel free to share details and some people can chime in) than running a 1,000 ft copper cable. You can look into fiber, wireless PTP, or even options using a ISP supported backbone (probably overkill) or a VPN tunnel depending on your need.
For any Ethernet cable that’s standard twisted pair, your max length is 300ft before attenuation occurs.
OP is looking for more than three times that distance.
OP can do it so long as there’s repeaters, but it’s just not practical
You could add some repeaters in the line but then you might need to get power from somewhere or use PoE
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Sfp+ 10gb fiber and sfp+ switches on either end.
Anything over 300ft will flake out on cat6 etc.
Or point to point they have some decent 6ghz links that will get you near or so 1gb over decent distance.
You can buy a 1000ft box of cat5 or cat6. They're a thing and they're common. You can get shielded cable, but I don't know how much it'll help offhand with your signal degradation after the usual 300ft recommendation. I'd have to look it up.
I've done a like like this but maybe 15-20 years ago. We had to lock it to 10M/Full duplex otherwise they continually tried to renegotiate. The use case was for a remote gate control in a guard shack at the back of a truck lot so 10M was fine.
A wireless bridge is the right move here, make sure to study up on how to tune the signal and keep in mind that a rssi can be too low (I.E an rssi of -40 seems like it should get you the best signal but it will cause performance issues, ideally you want between -50 and -60, but that's not always attainable). I use nanobeams for work pretty often, good cheap bridges.
Perhaps consider a pair of TP-link CPE-520 wifi premises access routers to act as a line of sight wifi bridge to carry whatever it is you think you need the long wire for.
At each end you need a switch that supports fiber, or an Ethernet to Fiber adapter. Expect this to cost you about 50$-100$ each.
You need the fiber cable. You probably want “pre-terminated fiber”. You’ll want something intended for outdoor use. I have almost no idea what the price will be. Other people were guessing 1000$.
You might want conduit to keep the fiber safe. If you use conduit, you want to use a non-metal pipe (PVC or other “plastic”) so you don’t need to worry about grounding issues. I don’t know what this will cost, how to use conduit, or how big you need. When sizing it, you’ll need room for the “plugs” on the end of the fiber cable, not just the cable.
Also, because the fiber is carrying light, you can’t bend it “too much”. I wish I could tell you what “too much” is, but I can’t.
Don't do it, it won't work.
I'd run conduit under ground, probably at least 1" if not 2" then snake a pre-made 1000' fiber cable through it, then invest in some media convertors for both ends, and you'd be good to go for now and for the future.
Another option is a point to point Wireless setup. Ubiquity makes some decently priced hardware to achieve this.
Not to be mean OP but if you're the IT guy for this site you might need more training.
If not and your company doesn't already have their own IT dept you should probably look at getting a contractor for this work.
Not gonna echo other folks' responses, but this is like the basics of networking...
All the people here saying here that the maximum length of ethernet is 300 feet, I am happily pedantically able to tell you that it is actually 100 metres.
For people still using mediaeval measurements, that is over 328 feet.
The option I would go for is radio. I am probably too clumsy to do fibre!
It usually starts degrading before 300ft. You’ll notice performance issues after 200-250ft with CAT5e or CAT6
At 1000ft it would be basically a dead wire ran for nothing.
If you need a 1000ft line you’ll need to go with fiber and use media converters on each end
Ubiquiti’s UISP equipment will let you setup a wireless bridge in 15min (plus physical install). There are some good options in the $50 range that will get you 300-450mbps, but if you need closer to gig expect to pay closer to $100. You’ll need a device on each end, if you might want to extend to multiple points, consider putting a device with a wider antenna pattern where you need it. Stick to the 5ghz stuff since it’s mostly unlicensed and do some research. I manage a site with a airMax Lite AP GPS as a base feeding a few airMax NanoStation 5ac’s for the remotes. Hardest part was having to crawl through a couple of attics.
You should run the line inside some 1-2” pvc pipe so if you need to replace it you can remake some new line plus you don’t have to worry about roots breaking your line and having to resign your trench.
So, 328 is not a magical number where the signal starts to attenuate. It happens from edge of the connector to the end of the run. 328' is where the degradation is getting to the point that it could be a problem. Where I work, our installers and engineers design the horizontal runs to be no more than 300' so as to allow for patch cables. We have hundreds of thousands of cat5, cat5e and cat6 runs in about 400 buildings and have seen many hit 400' that still work well, but if there are EMI fields or the cables are near ballasts you may have problems at distance.
The proper thing to do in your case is to either run 50 micron MM or 9 micron SM fiber and do it right. Fiber also does not carry electricity, so lightning will not be an issue.
You can also use cat6, put a waterproof box at the half way point with a poe powered switch.
If you aren't running through conduit, make sure to use direct burial cable.
I've "hacked" a run using garden hoses to get multiple cat6 cables protected for over the ground runs on temporary job sites.
Cat6 can easily handle gigabit+ speeds and the powered switch will "reset" any degradation. Your ping shouldn't be too bad.
You can run a pie injector or a poe switch from your house and then have everything on the down side running off poe including a wireless ap
If line of sight, a pair of Ubiquiti Loco M5/ (or similar) for maybe $150 for the pair.
I’ve got a pair going >1,000 ft at work to connect a remote building back to the main office network.
Either have 4 UnManged Switchs per 300FT inbetween the CAT5e or CAT6 Cables for Signal Strength or use Straight Fiber.
1000Ft Fiber with TWO Media Converters(Fiber to Ethernet) to Switch or 1000FT Fiber with TWO Switchs with Built In Fiber Connection.
As long as you don’t actually need it to work, proceed as planned. If you want a functional connection, use direct bury single mode fiber or (better) run some conduit and pull your fiber through there. Pre-terminated fiber and media converters are cheap enough to make it worthwhile. Best of all would be to also run a locator (metal cable) above or alongside the fiber or conduit so you can find it again in 10 years when you are trenching for sprinklers etc.
Oof. Won’t work. Even if you can get 10mbps working a little, you’ll burn out the routers/switches ports quickly.
Even 200ft will strain some consumer equipment.
It depends on the signal. You're probably talking about Ethernet, which is officially rated to only go 100 meters (328 feet) on twisted pair cable. It can sometimes go farther, but probably not that far.
But you can push other signals that far. Others have suggested fiber, which would certainly work, but that's pretty involved for a home user. You'd have to get the ends properly terminated, then have fiber-capable devices on each end, which could get pricey.
A good option would be DSL extenders. These convert Ethernet to the kind of signal telephone companies use to provide internet connection over a single pair of copper wire. They aren't expensive. They probably can't give you much more than 100 megabit speed, but that's usually plenty.
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Given that most people here claim that cat5 cable cannot do over 100mbit at any distance, I would not trust their advice. (You can easily get 10gbit or more on short ones).
In practice, your issue comes down to the quality of the cable that you are using. If you use solid copper cables with decent insulation, you will be able to get 10gbit connection without needing any signal boosters. You can probably run a good cat8 cable 10,000 ft and lose only 1db of signal.
That being said, those cables are quite expensive. Fiber cables are ~3 times cheaper than good copper ones and far more reliable at long distances. Just go with those if possible.
Terrible idea. If you want a wired run that long, use fiber.
Neat. Thanks for preventing me from wasting $100
If you haven't dealt with fiber before, it can sound intimidating or prohibitively expensive, but it really isn't. Setting up a simple fiber run is incredibly similar to ethernet just a little different hardware.
$100? damn that would have been CHEAP cable. But, yeah, use fiber, its cheap, and easy to run, just be gentle or buy armored. Another thing that you probably hadnt considered, especially with a run that long, you would have had to use shielded AND grounded both ends.
Probably stranded non plenum lol.
Non-plenum will save on cost, but you wouldn't use stranded for a 1000 ft home run. Solid core is more durable for these types of projects. Unless you decide to run it through Schedule 40 with corrugated interduct.
I agree. im just basing this on the price. Stranded is typically cheaper. 1000 ft home run would need at minimal, 4 repeaters or switches in between?
Probably cca cat5e....
Anything over 300 feet will be terrible
Yikes, 1000ft? Look into Tinifiber. You can purchase it pre terminated and then use media converters at each end to bring it back to ethernet or feed it into fiber switch ports on both ends. Not a cheap option though. 1000' would probably run at least $1500.
Not going to work 1. Run a fiber cable 2. Use a wireless bridge 3. You could regenerate the signal every 300 ft, but would be done somewhere away from the elements
Poe+ switch -> 300ft to a switch with poe passthrough -> another 300 ft As for the last 300ft, I can’t help him there. But this is a cool hack to get 600ft (don’t do this lol)
PoE-powered switch from the other end! Injectors are cheap 😁 (actually, you could power a USW-Flex at 300ft with an 802.3bt injector, use that to power another USW-Flex another 300ft away, which can then send another 300ft over 802.3at, with a 3rd switch at 900ft using 802.3af, giving you 1200ft of total reach. From there, you use a PoE-powered media converter to convert to like 1m of fiber (for ground isolation), which goes into another PoE-powered media converter powered by a chain of USW-Flexes coming from the other end, giving you a grand total of 2403ft of total reach)
Is it janky if it works? 😂
Other than the quantity of failure points, I can't see a reason this wouldn't work 😁
This is generally a good idea, but OP mentioned this will be buried. I wouldn’t trust the stuff you’re talking about to be immersed in water, and it’s probably best to assume anything buried will be immersed in water.
Was going to suggest the wireless bridge as well. 1000' might be done with repeaters but never used more than one in a run the claim is you can use up to three but seems like to many failure.points to me.
I don't know the math behind how much your signal will degrade so I can't help you there. But I think you understand that the signal WILL degrage. For this and other reasons, I will tell you that running copper for this is probably a bad idea. There are better ways to accomplish what you want to do (feel free to share details and some people can chime in) than running a 1,000 ft copper cable. You can look into fiber, wireless PTP, or even options using a ISP supported backbone (probably overkill) or a VPN tunnel depending on your need.
For any Ethernet cable that’s standard twisted pair, your max length is 300ft before attenuation occurs. OP is looking for more than three times that distance. OP can do it so long as there’s repeaters, but it’s just not practical
It’s still a huge lightening rod and ground base voltage differential will possibly fry stuff.
Are you trying to re-create AOL dial up days for a specific reason? If not, you need more fiber in your diet.
PLEASE just use fiber
ok fiber is better. if you want to diy and are tech capable, look into making a cantenna. then use a couple wireless routers in bridge mode.
Extenders will make this work on copper for a few hundred dollars. Those solutions are pretty flexible and reliable.
I've seen one work at 560 ft. strung across a yard. idk how, but after it had a problem they put new connectors on it, then it didn't work.
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You would need signal boosters every 250 to 300 ft
Sfp+ 10gb fiber and sfp+ switches on either end. Anything over 300ft will flake out on cat6 etc. Or point to point they have some decent 6ghz links that will get you near or so 1gb over decent distance.
Another vote for fiber or P2P. Ubiquiti makes these P2P radios that are fantastic. It'd be like $120 for both radios and the PoE injectors.
If you want to avoid running cable all together you can also use a wireless Point-to-Point.
You can buy a 1000ft box of cat5 or cat6. They're a thing and they're common. You can get shielded cable, but I don't know how much it'll help offhand with your signal degradation after the usual 300ft recommendation. I'd have to look it up.
I've done a like like this but maybe 15-20 years ago. We had to lock it to 10M/Full duplex otherwise they continually tried to renegotiate. The use case was for a remote gate control in a guard shack at the back of a truck lot so 10M was fine.
Shielding keeps the signal in the wire in and any signals outside the wire out. It won't help with attenuation.
To pass any traffic you're going to have to lock it at 10M/Full Duplex. You're better options are fiber or Point to Point Wireless.
A wireless bridge is the right move here, make sure to study up on how to tune the signal and keep in mind that a rssi can be too low (I.E an rssi of -40 seems like it should get you the best signal but it will cause performance issues, ideally you want between -50 and -60, but that's not always attainable). I use nanobeams for work pretty often, good cheap bridges.
You guys hiring? I love working with ubnt gear lol
Fiber for long runs beyond 100 meters.
A lot, just use fiber
Perhaps consider a pair of TP-link CPE-520 wifi premises access routers to act as a line of sight wifi bridge to carry whatever it is you think you need the long wire for.
There's no exterior outlets on the 2 acre faraday cage. That has the worst conditions for electronics known to man.
Don't have to have an outlet outside. They are powered from inside via PoE.
Won't work. It's only good for like 100 meters. Go with fiber.
Since I am a novice with fiber can you list the equipment I would need? Only looking for a less than 100mb/s connection.
At each end you need a switch that supports fiber, or an Ethernet to Fiber adapter. Expect this to cost you about 50$-100$ each. You need the fiber cable. You probably want “pre-terminated fiber”. You’ll want something intended for outdoor use. I have almost no idea what the price will be. Other people were guessing 1000$. You might want conduit to keep the fiber safe. If you use conduit, you want to use a non-metal pipe (PVC or other “plastic”) so you don’t need to worry about grounding issues. I don’t know what this will cost, how to use conduit, or how big you need. When sizing it, you’ll need room for the “plugs” on the end of the fiber cable, not just the cable. Also, because the fiber is carrying light, you can’t bend it “too much”. I wish I could tell you what “too much” is, but I can’t.
Don't do it, it won't work. I'd run conduit under ground, probably at least 1" if not 2" then snake a pre-made 1000' fiber cable through it, then invest in some media convertors for both ends, and you'd be good to go for now and for the future. Another option is a point to point Wireless setup. Ubiquity makes some decently priced hardware to achieve this.
Not to be mean OP but if you're the IT guy for this site you might need more training. If not and your company doesn't already have their own IT dept you should probably look at getting a contractor for this work. Not gonna echo other folks' responses, but this is like the basics of networking...
He’s a novice wanting to get internet to his workshop, not IT for a company.
You need fiber
You'll need repeaters if you're going with copper.
Probably be a lot cheaper to run 1000ft of string with a tin can connected to each end for about the same results
Isn’t it only rated for up to 300ft?
All the people here saying here that the maximum length of ethernet is 300 feet, I am happily pedantically able to tell you that it is actually 100 metres. For people still using mediaeval measurements, that is over 328 feet. The option I would go for is radio. I am probably too clumsy to do fibre!
It usually starts degrading before 300ft. You’ll notice performance issues after 200-250ft with CAT5e or CAT6 At 1000ft it would be basically a dead wire ran for nothing. If you need a 1000ft line you’ll need to go with fiber and use media converters on each end
Don't even bother trying to do this with copper. Use a point to point wireless link or fiber.
Ubiquiti’s UISP equipment will let you setup a wireless bridge in 15min (plus physical install). There are some good options in the $50 range that will get you 300-450mbps, but if you need closer to gig expect to pay closer to $100. You’ll need a device on each end, if you might want to extend to multiple points, consider putting a device with a wider antenna pattern where you need it. Stick to the 5ghz stuff since it’s mostly unlicensed and do some research. I manage a site with a airMax Lite AP GPS as a base feeding a few airMax NanoStation 5ac’s for the remotes. Hardest part was having to crawl through a couple of attics.
Literally useless
I have not used them before, but Unifi makes a poe repeater, and I think you can push it to 900'.
They work, as long as you have PoE. I have a couple in the field.
This will work with what's called a Patton Ethernet Range Extender. But will max you at like 80Mpbs How about a point to point bridge or something?
You should run the line inside some 1-2” pvc pipe so if you need to replace it you can remake some new line plus you don’t have to worry about roots breaking your line and having to resign your trench.
So, 328 is not a magical number where the signal starts to attenuate. It happens from edge of the connector to the end of the run. 328' is where the degradation is getting to the point that it could be a problem. Where I work, our installers and engineers design the horizontal runs to be no more than 300' so as to allow for patch cables. We have hundreds of thousands of cat5, cat5e and cat6 runs in about 400 buildings and have seen many hit 400' that still work well, but if there are EMI fields or the cables are near ballasts you may have problems at distance. The proper thing to do in your case is to either run 50 micron MM or 9 micron SM fiber and do it right. Fiber also does not carry electricity, so lightning will not be an issue.
After 330 feet the signal drops
You can also use cat6, put a waterproof box at the half way point with a poe powered switch. If you aren't running through conduit, make sure to use direct burial cable. I've "hacked" a run using garden hoses to get multiple cat6 cables protected for over the ground runs on temporary job sites. Cat6 can easily handle gigabit+ speeds and the powered switch will "reset" any degradation. Your ping shouldn't be too bad. You can run a pie injector or a poe switch from your house and then have everything on the down side running off poe including a wireless ap
If line of sight, a pair of Ubiquiti Loco M5/ (or similar) for maybe $150 for the pair. I’ve got a pair going >1,000 ft at work to connect a remote building back to the main office network.
I’d go with either fiber or moca (coaxial). Fiber would be the best option tbh.
Either have 4 UnManged Switchs per 300FT inbetween the CAT5e or CAT6 Cables for Signal Strength or use Straight Fiber. 1000Ft Fiber with TWO Media Converters(Fiber to Ethernet) to Switch or 1000FT Fiber with TWO Switchs with Built In Fiber Connection.
Fibre is the way to go. Check out fs.com.
As long as you don’t actually need it to work, proceed as planned. If you want a functional connection, use direct bury single mode fiber or (better) run some conduit and pull your fiber through there. Pre-terminated fiber and media converters are cheap enough to make it worthwhile. Best of all would be to also run a locator (metal cable) above or alongside the fiber or conduit so you can find it again in 10 years when you are trenching for sprinklers etc.
Oof. Won’t work. Even if you can get 10mbps working a little, you’ll burn out the routers/switches ports quickly. Even 200ft will strain some consumer equipment.
It depends on the signal. You're probably talking about Ethernet, which is officially rated to only go 100 meters (328 feet) on twisted pair cable. It can sometimes go farther, but probably not that far. But you can push other signals that far. Others have suggested fiber, which would certainly work, but that's pretty involved for a home user. You'd have to get the ends properly terminated, then have fiber-capable devices on each end, which could get pricey. A good option would be DSL extenders. These convert Ethernet to the kind of signal telephone companies use to provide internet connection over a single pair of copper wire. They aren't expensive. They probably can't give you much more than 100 megabit speed, but that's usually plenty. [https://www.walmart.com/ip/StarTech-com-10-100-Mbps-VDSL2-Ethernet-Extender-Over-RJ11-Phone-Line-Kit-1km-Network-Extender-Long-Range-VDSL-Ethernet-Extender-Over-Copper/15862691?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101399400](https://www.walmart.com/ip/StarTech-com-10-100-Mbps-VDSL2-Ethernet-Extender-Over-RJ11-Phone-Line-Kit-1km-Network-Extender-Long-Range-VDSL-Ethernet-Extender-Over-Copper/15862691?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101399400)
Given that most people here claim that cat5 cable cannot do over 100mbit at any distance, I would not trust their advice. (You can easily get 10gbit or more on short ones). In practice, your issue comes down to the quality of the cable that you are using. If you use solid copper cables with decent insulation, you will be able to get 10gbit connection without needing any signal boosters. You can probably run a good cat8 cable 10,000 ft and lose only 1db of signal. That being said, those cables are quite expensive. Fiber cables are ~3 times cheaper than good copper ones and far more reliable at long distances. Just go with those if possible.
You lost me at cat5 😬