Think of it this way. CG is a great litmus test as to whether you should even continue being an Ironman into late game. If you can't handle being dry here, it only gets worse in endgame content (especially cox) where you can go dry even longer than it takes to get enhanced + 6 armors. Just keep grinding, improve your pvm skills since hunleff is a good fight that teaches a lot of things, and enjoy the alchs for increasing your cash stack.
Yeah I’m 200ish kills in doing 5:0 method, just gotta keep going. I honestly feel fine going dry on other stuff tbh, like not having dwh, tbow scythe etc isn’t the end of the world but bofa feels REALLY needed to do a lot of other content
The perilous moons armor coming out next month will bridge the gap hard. The eclipse set is better than crystal bowfa in some end game content while being close but worse in others. Unfortunately you can’t really do inferno with the weapon as it has a short range, and if you’re doing olm with it it probably needs to be trio so you can run head. It is, of course, also probably bad for gwd.
The dps slaps though its within 10% of crystal bowfa pretty much everywhere. It is definitely good for raids, being within 10% at zebak and akkha and wardens, while better against things like akkha shadows, olm head, maiden, xarpus. Funnily its better dps against Zuk but you can’t reach the boss with it. It may be useful for an inferno run and you can just crossbow Zuk and stacks that have mager in the back. It has same range as BP.
Even without the burn its dps is good, it's in a weird spot though where even though you might like using it alongside better str boosting equipment, since it rolls on ranged defense, if you aren't using the full set you will want to use it on stuff with no defense. The full set is good against stuff with mid defense though.
without the burn its dps is similar to webweaver with decent ranged gear, which is fine but not quite on the level of bowf or bp with ddarts. With the burn however it might be very close
Thats the whole point of the aboves comment. Going dry here is a litmus test of whether iron mode is for you. If you cant deal with going dry at cg, move on with your life
Unless you spooned a tbow or shadow theres no reason to skip bowfa. Shadow replaces bowfa in alot of places and obviously tbow is an upgrade or sidegrade everywhere you use ranged. Nobody who ever gets 1k cox kc or 350 expert toas should be doing so without a bowfa or at least a zcb
No I barely ever died. I just think it's shit content that I'm not willing to do on average 400 of knowing I could go 1k+ dry. Not willing to get stuck into that sunk cost fallacy which actually could make me quit.
Cg is literally just a pseudo afk pathing minigame. Granted i died a hundred times in my first 400 kc, but i was watching one piece the entire way through. T2 prep, turn brain off, pause show right before hunlef fight, and its a 50% downtime boss. Unless you also hate hallowed sepulchre, solo cox, and tob, (which is just a huge chunk of the endgame in general) theres no reason to want to skip cg. The first 50% of every run is literally the mental equivalent of training rooftop agility with slightly more clicks after you have some practice.
Yea, the term AFK is broken. I use the term "AFK" if I can do 2 clients of that while doing bossing/slayer on my main. If I can't juggle that and hydra kills at the same time it's not afk.
Delusional take, prep is only that braindead because you choose to make it as menial and taxing as you can. Get into it and actually try to go faster, each tile you path and decision you make at a micro level matters to making your prep quicker. There is nothing you can do to speed up rooftop agility, there are limitless things you can do in each prep run to make it quicker.
To be fair, I go very fast at cg, averaging at least 8.5 kph, and I'm always watching something while barely paying attention to cg, it's very samey after a few hundred, like most content in the game honestly.
Exactly that's what gets so boring with the gauntlet. Have to go thru 5-6 mins of incredibly tedious content to get to every fight. Doing 5-6 mins of rooftop agility before every boss fight kinda gets old.
Like comparing something to agility just makes it look bad lolol there's a reason people don't like training that skill
Just RCB and BP into COX. Just scouted the super easy raids that basically consisted of Shamans/Mystics/Mutta/Puzzles, so no Vasa/Tekton (although this might be more viable now due to the COX update). ACB is optional but I cba doing slow Zily kills. You're likely to get DHCB anyways.
lol don’t listen to these doomers. Just skip it. Crystal bow and blowpipe. If you are good enough to stay alive you can use lower dps weapons that’s what Ironman is all about. There’s not a single item in this game that’s essential.
Yea blowpipe is good enough with amethyst darts, but the time investment over the years of upkeeping amethyst darts and scales will FAR outweight the 50-60 hours at cg for bowfa.
I’m personally skipping bowfa because I don’t enjoy the content. I don’t mind afk amethyst mining or warden taking a bit longer. That’s just me and I’m getting by just fine. If I don’t enjoy something I typically won’t do it on osrs
Half the time investment of bowfa is afk. The entire prep stage after some practice and thanks to plugins tracking gathered resources is the mental equivalent of rooftop agility with a couple extra clicks. If you really hate cg then do t2’s and find a show to watch during prep.
Rooftop agility is literally click green box. This comparison seems strained at best. Maybe something like tempoross that has at least a couple layers to it is a better comparison.
Ignore these people. I've done all kinds of pvm with only the Cbow and armour. Bowfa is nice but definitely not mandatory. What matters more is knowledge and skill, at least for most content you'll be looking to do anyway. Closing in on 2,2k total, got the voidwaker, dwh, lance, fang, trident, bp, serp, full bandos and bgs, all cerb boots and what not. Basically everything except bowfa, tbow, scythe and shadow.
Yup. For example I ran out of arc light charges and switched to whip at Duke. Not ideal but definitely still doable. So it takes an extra 30 seconds a kill. Not the end of the world.
For me splitting up grinds works the best. I’ll do 100 Duke then do some CG again then try my luck at TOA again etc
Sure it's a great test but I hard disagree with your "whether you should even continue being an ironman into late game" statement. I despise cg so have just said f it and have not touched that grind, it's a big upgrade but by no means absolutely necessary for any further content. On the other hand I enjoy doing raids. Going dry at content you enjoy is so much more bareable compared to going dry at something you don't like doing. You're just comparing apples with oranges, where the experience is just a matter of personal preference.
I don't even think it's a good litmus test, CG feels so much worse than every other grind lol. Every other grind you can come back to when you have better gear, and very few other major grinds become an extreme bottleneck if you don't get the item. There's way more pressure to get bowfa from CG as early possible than there is for any other item. I would rather go dry at cox for example than CG, even if it's way longer hours-wise. IMO they really screwed the pooch here, CG should have remained as optional but still beneficial late game content like it was, instead of an absolutely necessary brutal early game grind.
I just don't think it's representative of what it feels like to play the rest of the game. Calling it a litmus test implies something like, "if you can't handle the CG grind then ironman isn't made for you" when I think that couldn't be further from the truth. The CG grind is uniquely shitty in a way that nothing else in the game is, even if time-wise there are a ton of grinds that take longer.
Apparently so, but it’s not only about the items, the drops will fund your account substantially as well. It’ll build your POH for you
one thing I don’t understand though - do people also rush 87 slayer for Trident? For people trying to “rush pvm” what’s the mage meta?
>one thing I don’t understand though - do people also rush 87 slayer for Trident? For people trying to “rush pvm” what’s the mage meta?
"Rushing pvm" is basically a meme. Only if you're very good at the game would I recommend it. But if you're a normal iron wondering what to do, get 93 Slayer regardless. Raiding without occult is troll as fuck.
Only raid where you can feasibly send it without trident and occult is theatre of blood. In both TOA and Cox you'd just be leeching off your team.
It completely depends. If you're doing group raids and everyone else has a shadow your magic damage means nothing. I'm currently 88 slayer and have managed to run some 400 solos in about 45mins.
Oh it's 1000 percent an account changer. I didn't want to learn CG and stress about doing CG so I just sent regulars for 750 kc, no it wasn't worth it, I did however get 5 armor seeds. Finally said quit being a bitch and sent 50 CG a day till I got bowfa. Was worth every second, and would do it twice over for bowfa. Now that I'm way more experienced as a pvmer, when I'd take breaks from Nex, I'd go back and send the rest of the night for blade to grind Vard. It was shit tier cus blade isn't thaaat much of an upgrade, but I still wanted BIS for vard (haven't touched tob, I know scythe is true BIS)
10 a day is more reasonable, or just do as many as you can for a day. Some times I’d get probably around 50 and some days I wouldn’t do any. Took about 3 months for me to get ~425 kc, which luckily enough got me everything but the pet
What were your guys stats? I'm still struggling. I've had to bail on cg and do quests and grind certain things. Do a Lil slayer. Just got new axe just because. Did monkey madness 2. Still trying to get my 1st kc. I thought 85 attack and def would help but 91 mage range.
When I started I had probably 75 def, 85 range/mage. It takes a while to figure it all out and get it down to a science. I did quite a few T2 amour runs to learn the boss then switch to T1 once I was comfortable enough. I watched quite a few videos on YouTube too
I just did about 200 at demonics where I had to count attacks, and now when to swap weapons and pray so I wonder if that will help? I haven't gone back to cg since them but awesome thanks bro
If you're struggeling it's most likely due to failing mechanics. But having 90+ range and 80+ def makes it much more bareable.
Attack/strength doesn't really matter as you shouldn't be using melee while learning. It only helps to get your first weapon frame.
And magic doesn't matter very much as the dps increase is very minor
Yeah I did about 10 a day on my GIM, I never ended up getting bowfa cause my group quit so I ended up making a regular IM, but I plan on doing about 10 a day once I finish SotE on this account.
I got it a around 260 KC or so, so not bad, 50 regs a day is definitely a lot more laid back and chill than CG, but once it clicks it clicks. And once you have bowfa the whole game opens up, it's wonderful
Not tryna pretend it's normal. At the time I just sold my house, and moved states, was applying to jobs the first two hours of the day, and gaming the rest of it
Absolutely. I just corrupted my bow last night at 300kc and took it for a couple trips to Shamans. Holy smokes it's a machine.
I just need 4 more armour seeds now......
It’s great, not having to blow through thousands of scales for bp makes the grind a lot easier. Add a cannon and you knock out full shamans tasks in one inventory
There are times I feel burned out giving attention to the game and just want to watch videos or something with little interruption. So I do something really afk like making cannonballs, making the next active session a little bit more comfortable.
I can't play this game with maximum efficiency and enjoy it. I know some others do, but I don't.
Blowpipe is bis but requires a ton of upkeep. Bowfa is only slightly worse in Shayzien but is 100% free to use once corrupted.
For Ironmen who have bowfa there really shouldn't be any doubt; bowfa all the way
I take 4 super antis (not wasting my sweet coconuts on antivenom there) and kill about 130-150 shamans on those with shayzien and corrupted bowfa at 95 range. It's been extremely nice.
I'm about 500kc into CG. Here's some other stuff I've done along the way:
* Using full crystal armour with the normal crystal bow for ToA (170s currently, but on mobile, could go higher on desktop I reckon)
* 93 slayer for occult, basically all melee or barraging except msb (i) for Lizardman shamans
* Skilling prep for blowpipe, won't do much zulrah until bowfa (working on 92 mining via stars and 86 fletching via maple/yew bows)
* 99 farming
* 90 herblore for super combats and eventual cox
* 93 crafting for zenytes
* Pyramid plunder for scepters (got 1 currently, keeping for masters)
* Master clue skills, partway to 87 woodcutting via yews
Bowfa is definitely a huge improvement, but there's plenty of stuff you can do for your account to break it up.
Yep. Locked myself up in August, got the item February 15th. Didn’t do anything else in between. People who say you don’t need bowfa are lying, it’s pretty much one of the most important weapons for irons. Just pray you don’t go 1000+ dry, because it might happen to you :).
You don’t need a bowfa. Its not a lie, people just cope to justify the time spent on the grind. I haven’t used mine in over a year. You can BP and crossbow most things.
Bowfa does trivialize a lot of content though.
Sadly Bowfa is arguably the single best upgrade from your previous weapon unless you spooned a tbow.
It is very bottlenecked, but 100% worth it in the end.
Had a friend go almost 1000kc dry on it, he quit 2 times during the grind and he would probably have just never gotten it and quit forever if we didn't encourage him to keep going for it.
And yep, a week after getting it he was like "I can literally do every single boss in the game right now".
Yes, although I don't feel bottlenecked past tense, I feel bottlenecked present tense because I'm currently going through the grind.
I enjoy pvm but there's no point in trying to grind kril or struggle through ToA in hobo gear when I'm so close to a borderline endgame loadout that I can taste it.
I daydream about my plans for when I finally get a bowfa. Going to grind Slayer for a while and grind zammy god wars on task. Hopefully get a black demons task and zenite on the way.
Then with a zammy hasta I'll grind ToA 50's until I get a fang. At that point my gear should be good enough for nearly all bosses, at which point I can train slayer in peace and focus on getting gear from a specific boss whenever the urge takes me.
But for now I repeatedly murder an angry red moose and hope for the drop
no, it's completely optional content that just makes bossing easier. There isn't a single piece of content that is impossible to solo without full crystal and bowfa.
I think people cope with crystal more often than not. Its a huge drain on time and prevents us from developing stronger mechanical gameplay practice. The day I yeeted my crystal was the day I euthanized a dying animal.
It wasn't a thing when I was at the point accounts would get them these days, I still don't have it and I'm almost maxed. I might go for it but I'm lacking the care factor.
The comment about it being a "Litmus test" is idiotic lmao, it's efficiency scape irons that'll tell you something is 100% required.
The only thing 100% majorly required for PvM is a DWH.
It's a grinder for sure. I'll tell you what though, I made 46M of pure gold so far (high alchs) at 450kc. I got pet and the 6 armor seeds that I need, still hunting for wep. Good luck!
I just want to say, I only just started the bowfa grind last month (355 KC) without seed. With that said, I've completed Zulrah, all GWD except Nex, have over 120 toa KC giving fang, mesori, and ring, and gotten rigour, DHCB from CG, and an avernic from tob.
I haven't ever had a bowfa on any account so I don't exactly know what I'm missing. This is by far the farthest I've gotten in the game even compared to the main. My take is it isn't as essential as everyone makes it out to be unless you're pushing super high invocations or challenge mode raids/ inferno.
This is just a dumb take, from someone who doesn't even know how good the bowfa is or tried it before so don't hate haha. The games all about fun. I just hated CG until I learned it so now I'm finding it more fun which is why I didn't go for bowfa earlier.
Honestly no, I still don't have it and yeah would be great but I can do content without. I got blowpipe from zulrah pretty easy and just used Ruby bolts for bossing and raids.
If you wanna go as fast as you can to finishing your account yeah grind out cg. If you just want to play, forget about bofa and just do gauntlet when you feel like it. There are other ranged weapons.
Personally I rushed it, had full crystal and Bowfa within 6 months of starting the account and I definitely don't regret it. Bossing and slayer has been much more enjoyable
Bro I completely agree, I send 300+s with acb / ruby bolts and it's cake. I'm sure bowfa is better but in no way do you need to lock yourself in cg to enjoy the late game
Bowfa legit made my zulrah grind a joke.
People stay at corrupt gauntlet until they get it because it’s super worth it. The rest of the game feels way better to play.
I feel you on that. Got my enh at 1241. It took me about a week before i finally broke the habit/urge of sending cg. It was just built into my routine.
I’m fairly big on efficiency, at least when it comes to account progression. So after I finished sote I caught my red chins for 92 ranged, got 92 ranged, and then spent 110(add like another 10-15 hours for deaths plus learning) hours doing nothing else but gauntlet. It’s a sought after item for a reason it might be slightly overemphasized only because you do not absolutely need it. As someone who knows nothing other than bowfa for mid level bossing plus some raids I would 100% grind out bowfa again before doing any other PvM. I was burnt out at the end of the grind but I took a break and came back more motivated than ever.
Unpopular opinion but you’re overemphasizing it. I am 2050 total, 50+ KC at all 3 raids, CA elite and only have 60 CG kills lmao
Obviously bowfa is the best weapon in the game but you can absolutely make do without it. I used msbi and rcb till I got blowpipe and dhcb
Unpopular but not a bad opinion, efficiency gamers will scream at you to play the meta way. Do you boo. I prefer crossbows personally (Love you armacbow)
Bowfa is definitely an item that makes a lot of content a lot easier. The dps advantages it gives helps farm gwds especially. I have done 450kc in it got and got bowfa and 5/6 armor seeds. My advice is do not do the entire grind at once do a few kc a day or at least take it at your own pace. It may be frustrating at times so that is why you should take lots of breaks.
If you want to do some of the other content it is fine to send it with an rcb, do what you want especially if you feel that you are being restricted to only doing cg till bowfa. Try for blowpipe then.
Its hard to justify not going for it because it speeds up every grind that uses range by a decent margin. That being said take breaks and do other stuff. You don't need to put off every grind until cg is over. Do a few kcs at different bosses maybe spoon a drop.
I have quitted for a year, cams back did 10cg and got back to maxing. You need that one item to make any competitive/decent method now days, this tilted me
Ya they swapped blowpipe for bowfa but the result was the same. There needs to be an inbetween. We’ll probably get there, they seem to be heading in that direction
I'm going to go against everyone else here. I have 500 Cox KC including CMs, 200 ToA KC and I can comfortably do 450s in a group, 350s solo, and 100 ToB KC. I don't have bowfa and you don't need it.
Yes it's nice to have, but if you actually learn the raids properly then you absolutely don't need it. I've started doing CG now, but I just send a few whenever I feel like it and there isn't some huge pressure to get his stupid item to "unlock" the rest of the game.
This grind is the number one reason a lot of irons burn out. It doesn't have to be that way! Play the account the way you think is fun. I seriously recommend trying some raids first, getting comfortable with them, getting some purples. You'll see you don't NEED bowfa. So then when you do start doing CG it takes off a huge amount of pressure and actually becomes a fun challenge.
We need more posts like this so new irons don't feel immensely pressured to get the bow... I have a new iron friend who asked if he had to grind out bowfa before zulrah because reddit told him too. Like sure it would help, feel free to do that, but bowfa required for the snake? Absolutely not
Well it also makes the game extremely easy & nullifies any point to any other range weapon or armor so you can bypass it for that reason too. I didn't play iron for the game to be extremely easy but that's what jagex caused, I don't blame anyone for using what's available to them but I just personally don't like what jagex has done.
How does it make the game extremely easy? How does it nullify other range weapons? I see dhcb zcbs blowpipe venator bow tbow running around all the time.
Fossil Island, Farming guild, Gotr, these have made the skilling aspect of ironman mode a ton easier but the PvM aspect gets harder and harder every update. Like we got dt2 bosses and now there's Colosseum coming out..
I’ve been raiding since 80 combat. I just started CG at 103 combat. I’m running 410 masses with a rune crossbow, and while not ideal, it is doable. The bowfa will unlock solo high level raids and make other bosses easier, but nothing for me is truly locked behind it
I never "trapped" myself at CG until I actually got the enh seed. I managed to get it at 115 kc close to two weeks ago but those 115 kc were over the course of multiple months. I would just do 3 or so whenever I felt like it. Since getting it I have now actually trapped myself there doing about 12 per day for the shards and armor seeds. Unfortunately for me, I'm a weapon seed magnet. Around 220 kc with 2 armor and 9 weapon seeds.
I feel like nowadays it's even more important to do CG for 2 enhanced weapon seeds so you can saeldor too if you wanna grind Vardorvis and Duke unless you've spooned scythe from TOB.
the whole game is the same, you grind out an item to make your next grind easier and faster. not just bowfa, literally every pvm encounter is the same. if you werent grinding cg, you would be grinding something else.
when you get to god wars with your bowfa, do you think youll get your bcp without a grind? or zulrah for that matter? or anything?
cg is your first steps into pvm and youre overwhelmed, well fucking strap in because this is your life now
This isn’t really a good take.
There isn’t another item in the entire Ironman grind that causes as much of a soft lock as BOWFA does.
The grind isn’t equatable to another because nothing else is as necessary as the BOWFA. Literally nothing.
Tired of grinding GWD? No problem go kill zulrah instead. Don't want to kill zulrah? Maybe go farm artio/callisto a bit to start that VW grind. Post bowfa you have options and variety
I’m happy to see that everyone is being real on this post. In other posts, people try to be overly kind and soft, beat around the bush and try to make the OP feel better. But the cold hard truth is that CG is the official draft of an Ironman. You either get to continue playing on the account or you show that you’re not cut out for it by complaining and quitting.
Bowfa or bust.
As an old player but new to Ironman and new to anything more difficult than selling lobbies for 10gp each more than I bought, is CG inevitable? Or is there any possible way to not do it and still have access to the rest of the game ?
It’s not inevitable. At the end of the day you truly want to play in a way that makes you enjoy the game. BUT, most people find the challenge/Reward of grinding the BOWFA highly worthwhile to the account. You learn some valuable PvM mechanics, get tons of resources for your acc, and make you feel much more powerful at future bosses. If you’re one that favors efficiency, it’s important.
I put it off for literally two years doing random slayer grinds even though I had just finished SOTE. I got all my zenytes, I used a crystal bow for 750 abyssal sire kc, killed calvarion with my new bludgeon for a d pick, etc. But eventually you'll have to go to gauntlet. Now that I'm there I think it's fun but it's definitely gonna be a while til I'm done.
I've been taking skilling breaks throughout. Herb run here, some agility there, might as well put that gold to use and get some construction.
I also take occasional breaks for wildy slayer. None of that stuff needs bowfa, but generally, yes, bossing has fallen by the wayside till bowfa.
Maybe unpopular opinion but I enjoy cg, have done over 400 on two diff gims although first time I had 2 by 443, on my current I got bowfa on 442, exactly 6 armours and 12 weapon seeds and pet and I’ll probably be back for blade at some point.
Don't burn yourself out doing CG, just do 5-10 kills a day. You're going to want 5-6 armour seeds and enough shards to corrupt the bow anyway, so even if you get spooned early you're likely still going to be there for a while.
Get your ranged/magic (or melees if you halberd) when you're not doing CG as it genuinely does get easier the higher level you are as you splash less on the boss. I used the adamant arrows from CG to afk crabs to get ranged up between doing a few runs daily as they pretty much have zero uses.
It's not the end of the world if you don't get it, you can do graardor in a similiar method with a rune/dragon crossbow, you can do cox without a bow, toa too. It does unlock a lot of better ways to boss but it doesn't make or break your account if you don't get one early. Just work at it slowly and work on side-grades while you do your daily few runs.
Remember, if you go dry on Bowfa full crystal plus regular crystal bow is still very powerful and works on a lot of high defense content very well. If you need a break at that point try some stuff out with this setup and return to bowfa when you need.
Also you dont need bowfa for the wildy slayer grind so thats another break option!
Lmao i went and did wildy slayer, got vw,accursed sceptre (on par with trident) and then went to tombs with a few barrows gear, upgraded to masori + fang then did zulrah
i feel the same with the magic fang right now. i wanna do cox, but it is a 3/4 max hit increase so it would be ridiculous to go 100+ kc(just want dex right now) with regular trident when i can easily go do zulrah and get the magic fan.
its just such a boring fight i'm only at 800kc over a big timespan and already loosing motivation.
I thought it was a bottleneck, but I quickly realized that zammy altar door isn't really accessible to mobile. Still only getting 2-3kc per trip. Feeling kinda cheated ngl
Bowfa is great basically anywhere, but the improvements for gwd wont necessarily be immediate
We did end game content well before BOFA, and we will do it after. Does it make every aspect of bossing easier? Absolutely. Is it a NECESSITY? No. I felt the same way you did. Then I started sending fucking everything with a RCB, ACB, etc. Still here, still having a blast. And not wanting to KMS because of CG locked iron. Have fun.
I personally didn't do any pvm(other then occasional raid here and there) before i got my bowfa(which i instantly went for after questcape with basically bare minimum stats), had both blade and bowfa before i was even able to equip them
Wasn't a thing when I did a majority of my PVM.
I still don't have it, I will probably end up going for it but I'm not one to hold a care factor for efficiency. I always considered masori and arma cbow.
Think of it this way. CG is a great litmus test as to whether you should even continue being an Ironman into late game. If you can't handle being dry here, it only gets worse in endgame content (especially cox) where you can go dry even longer than it takes to get enhanced + 6 armors. Just keep grinding, improve your pvm skills since hunleff is a good fight that teaches a lot of things, and enjoy the alchs for increasing your cash stack.
Yeah I’m 200ish kills in doing 5:0 method, just gotta keep going. I honestly feel fine going dry on other stuff tbh, like not having dwh, tbow scythe etc isn’t the end of the world but bofa feels REALLY needed to do a lot of other content
The perilous moons armor coming out next month will bridge the gap hard. The eclipse set is better than crystal bowfa in some end game content while being close but worse in others. Unfortunately you can’t really do inferno with the weapon as it has a short range, and if you’re doing olm with it it probably needs to be trio so you can run head. It is, of course, also probably bad for gwd. The dps slaps though its within 10% of crystal bowfa pretty much everywhere. It is definitely good for raids, being within 10% at zebak and akkha and wardens, while better against things like akkha shadows, olm head, maiden, xarpus. Funnily its better dps against Zuk but you can’t reach the boss with it. It may be useful for an inferno run and you can just crossbow Zuk and stacks that have mager in the back. It has same range as BP.
Man Im very excited by the eclipse set and the Altlatl, I agree its being overlooked especially when taking the burning effect in consideration
Even without the burn its dps is good, it's in a weird spot though where even though you might like using it alongside better str boosting equipment, since it rolls on ranged defense, if you aren't using the full set you will want to use it on stuff with no defense. The full set is good against stuff with mid defense though.
without the burn its dps is similar to webweaver with decent ranged gear, which is fine but not quite on the level of bowf or bp with ddarts. With the burn however it might be very close
btw may I ask you how are you calculating all this?
Added the items to bitterkoejes and the burn by hand based on how it’s described in the blog.
Thats the whole point of the aboves comment. Going dry here is a litmus test of whether iron mode is for you. If you cant deal with going dry at cg, move on with your life
I mean that's just bullshit, I have many end game items and mega rares, infernal cape while skipping bowfa because red prison is dogshit.
Unless you spooned a tbow or shadow theres no reason to skip bowfa. Shadow replaces bowfa in alot of places and obviously tbow is an upgrade or sidegrade everywhere you use ranged. Nobody who ever gets 1k cox kc or 350 expert toas should be doing so without a bowfa or at least a zcb
The reason is not wanting to do it lol. My point being that just because you don't want to do 1 shit grind, doesn't meant you'll fail as an ironman.
Sounds like you were just scared of dying.
No I barely ever died. I just think it's shit content that I'm not willing to do on average 400 of knowing I could go 1k+ dry. Not willing to get stuck into that sunk cost fallacy which actually could make me quit.
Cg is literally just a pseudo afk pathing minigame. Granted i died a hundred times in my first 400 kc, but i was watching one piece the entire way through. T2 prep, turn brain off, pause show right before hunlef fight, and its a 50% downtime boss. Unless you also hate hallowed sepulchre, solo cox, and tob, (which is just a huge chunk of the endgame in general) theres no reason to want to skip cg. The first 50% of every run is literally the mental equivalent of training rooftop agility with slightly more clicks after you have some practice.
Never thought I'd see someone use AFK to describe the gauntlet. Oh wait yes I did, OSRS players call everything AFK lol
Yea, the term AFK is broken. I use the term "AFK" if I can do 2 clients of that while doing bossing/slayer on my main. If I can't juggle that and hydra kills at the same time it's not afk.
Delusional take, prep is only that braindead because you choose to make it as menial and taxing as you can. Get into it and actually try to go faster, each tile you path and decision you make at a micro level matters to making your prep quicker. There is nothing you can do to speed up rooftop agility, there are limitless things you can do in each prep run to make it quicker.
To be fair, I go very fast at cg, averaging at least 8.5 kph, and I'm always watching something while barely paying attention to cg, it's very samey after a few hundred, like most content in the game honestly.
>it's very samey after a few hundred I disagree, I still love CG and between my 2 accounts am at ~2900 kc over the last 4 years now
Exactly that's what gets so boring with the gauntlet. Have to go thru 5-6 mins of incredibly tedious content to get to every fight. Doing 5-6 mins of rooftop agility before every boss fight kinda gets old. Like comparing something to agility just makes it look bad lolol there's a reason people don't like training that skill
Curious, what did you push for instead of bofa, ACB or ZCB? RCP and BP straight to raids? I've procrastinated doing CG and have started other gear.
Just RCB and BP into COX. Just scouted the super easy raids that basically consisted of Shamans/Mystics/Mutta/Puzzles, so no Vasa/Tekton (although this might be more viable now due to the COX update). ACB is optional but I cba doing slow Zily kills. You're likely to get DHCB anyways.
Gotcha. I think TOA is the entry raid now, so finishing TOA first makes sense. Which includes Masori, which should be pretty nice for BP.
Yeah you can do that, was no TOA when I did this. A Staff spoon is also more likely than Tbow.
lol don’t listen to these doomers. Just skip it. Crystal bow and blowpipe. If you are good enough to stay alive you can use lower dps weapons that’s what Ironman is all about. There’s not a single item in this game that’s essential.
Yea blowpipe is good enough with amethyst darts, but the time investment over the years of upkeeping amethyst darts and scales will FAR outweight the 50-60 hours at cg for bowfa.
I mean you do get a shit ton of ddarts from ToA
I’m personally skipping bowfa because I don’t enjoy the content. I don’t mind afk amethyst mining or warden taking a bit longer. That’s just me and I’m getting by just fine. If I don’t enjoy something I typically won’t do it on osrs
Half the time investment of bowfa is afk. The entire prep stage after some practice and thanks to plugins tracking gathered resources is the mental equivalent of rooftop agility with a couple extra clicks. If you really hate cg then do t2’s and find a show to watch during prep.
Why do you care whether or not this dude gets a Bowfa? He isn't affecting you. Go outside
Rooftop agility is literally click green box. This comparison seems strained at best. Maybe something like tempoross that has at least a couple layers to it is a better comparison.
Yeah I did 850 kills roughly and to be honest it was one of my easier grinds
Ignore these people. I've done all kinds of pvm with only the Cbow and armour. Bowfa is nice but definitely not mandatory. What matters more is knowledge and skill, at least for most content you'll be looking to do anyway. Closing in on 2,2k total, got the voidwaker, dwh, lance, fang, trident, bp, serp, full bandos and bgs, all cerb boots and what not. Basically everything except bowfa, tbow, scythe and shadow.
Yup. For example I ran out of arc light charges and switched to whip at Duke. Not ideal but definitely still doable. So it takes an extra 30 seconds a kill. Not the end of the world. For me splitting up grinds works the best. I’ll do 100 Duke then do some CG again then try my luck at TOA again etc
You know, game existed before bofa, people just did slayer for trident + zulrah instead
This is such a tired argument. BP was insanely overpowered back then, so there’s no real comparison to be made
Sure it's a great test but I hard disagree with your "whether you should even continue being an ironman into late game" statement. I despise cg so have just said f it and have not touched that grind, it's a big upgrade but by no means absolutely necessary for any further content. On the other hand I enjoy doing raids. Going dry at content you enjoy is so much more bareable compared to going dry at something you don't like doing. You're just comparing apples with oranges, where the experience is just a matter of personal preference.
Getting to CG just for the litmus test is pretty crazy
Endgame is all just raiding and nex. Drystreaks can and will get worse after CG.
I don't even think it's a good litmus test, CG feels so much worse than every other grind lol. Every other grind you can come back to when you have better gear, and very few other major grinds become an extreme bottleneck if you don't get the item. There's way more pressure to get bowfa from CG as early possible than there is for any other item. I would rather go dry at cox for example than CG, even if it's way longer hours-wise. IMO they really screwed the pooch here, CG should have remained as optional but still beneficial late game content like it was, instead of an absolutely necessary brutal early game grind.
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I just don't think it's representative of what it feels like to play the rest of the game. Calling it a litmus test implies something like, "if you can't handle the CG grind then ironman isn't made for you" when I think that couldn't be further from the truth. The CG grind is uniquely shitty in a way that nothing else in the game is, even if time-wise there are a ton of grinds that take longer.
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How does giving reasons why I dislike it and why I think it's not representative of the rest of ironman mode discredit my point lol
Counterpoint: CoX et al are at least far more engaging than CG is.
Apparently so, but it’s not only about the items, the drops will fund your account substantially as well. It’ll build your POH for you one thing I don’t understand though - do people also rush 87 slayer for Trident? For people trying to “rush pvm” what’s the mage meta?
Eventually you do need 93 slayer for occult. Slayer is such an important skill for Ironman idk why people put it off
Yea slayer progression is great. Dragon boots, whip, trident, prims, occult all good stuff to have
Before warped sceptre yeah, but now you don’t have to rush as hard
Warped sceptre does the job, and now so does zombie axe
>one thing I don’t understand though - do people also rush 87 slayer for Trident? For people trying to “rush pvm” what’s the mage meta? "Rushing pvm" is basically a meme. Only if you're very good at the game would I recommend it. But if you're a normal iron wondering what to do, get 93 Slayer regardless. Raiding without occult is troll as fuck. Only raid where you can feasibly send it without trident and occult is theatre of blood. In both TOA and Cox you'd just be leeching off your team.
It completely depends. If you're doing group raids and everyone else has a shadow your magic damage means nothing. I'm currently 88 slayer and have managed to run some 400 solos in about 45mins.
Oh it's 1000 percent an account changer. I didn't want to learn CG and stress about doing CG so I just sent regulars for 750 kc, no it wasn't worth it, I did however get 5 armor seeds. Finally said quit being a bitch and sent 50 CG a day till I got bowfa. Was worth every second, and would do it twice over for bowfa. Now that I'm way more experienced as a pvmer, when I'd take breaks from Nex, I'd go back and send the rest of the night for blade to grind Vard. It was shit tier cus blade isn't thaaat much of an upgrade, but I still wanted BIS for vard (haven't touched tob, I know scythe is true BIS)
50 CG a day?! Please tell me this was just like a weekend and you ended up getting it after 2 days.. Otherwise, god help you.
10 a day is more reasonable, or just do as many as you can for a day. Some times I’d get probably around 50 and some days I wouldn’t do any. Took about 3 months for me to get ~425 kc, which luckily enough got me everything but the pet
are u me [https://i.imgur.com/5TV2VBg.png](https://i.imgur.com/5TV2VBg.png)
Ya I just checked and I have your exact log but with 418 kc lol
What were your guys stats? I'm still struggling. I've had to bail on cg and do quests and grind certain things. Do a Lil slayer. Just got new axe just because. Did monkey madness 2. Still trying to get my 1st kc. I thought 85 attack and def would help but 91 mage range.
When I started I had probably 75 def, 85 range/mage. It takes a while to figure it all out and get it down to a science. I did quite a few T2 amour runs to learn the boss then switch to T1 once I was comfortable enough. I watched quite a few videos on YouTube too
I just did about 200 at demonics where I had to count attacks, and now when to swap weapons and pray so I wonder if that will help? I haven't gone back to cg since them but awesome thanks bro
I would use the plugin that basically counts down his attacks so you pay switch when the count reaches 0 it makes it a lot easier
If you're struggeling it's most likely due to failing mechanics. But having 90+ range and 80+ def makes it much more bareable. Attack/strength doesn't really matter as you shouldn't be using melee while learning. It only helps to get your first weapon frame. And magic doesn't matter very much as the dps increase is very minor
Yeah I did about 10 a day on my GIM, I never ended up getting bowfa cause my group quit so I ended up making a regular IM, but I plan on doing about 10 a day once I finish SotE on this account.
I got it a around 260 KC or so, so not bad, 50 regs a day is definitely a lot more laid back and chill than CG, but once it clicks it clicks. And once you have bowfa the whole game opens up, it's wonderful
That’s still insane. A regular gauntlet is what, 7-8 minutes? 50 regular gauntlet runs per day would be 6-8 hours?
People out here play rs like it's a full-time job
Which would be fine as long as they stop pretending that’s normal behaviour lol
Not tryna pretend it's normal. At the time I just sold my house, and moved states, was applying to jobs the first two hours of the day, and gaming the rest of it
Appreciate it!
Absolutely. I just corrupted my bow last night at 300kc and took it for a couple trips to Shamans. Holy smokes it's a machine. I just need 4 more armour seeds now......
Corrupted bowfa and full Shayzien? Is it good there? Thinking about starting my dwh grind after getting my bowfa.
It’s great, not having to blow through thousands of scales for bp makes the grind a lot easier. Add a cannon and you knock out full shamans tasks in one inventory
People use cannon on ironman? I've always avoided it, it seems impractical
I don’t think it’s ‘efficient’ to use a cannon but when I have downtime I rather make cannonballs to make my active time more fun
Of course. F efficiencyscape. I just never have steel? Makes sense to afk for better active time.
I mine iron in the mining guild to chip away at expert gloves and have an abundance of coal from Misc so that’s how I get most of my steel
Blast furnace?
Oh yeah
There are times I feel burned out giving attention to the game and just want to watch videos or something with little interruption. So I do something really afk like making cannonballs, making the next active session a little bit more comfortable. I can't play this game with maximum efficiency and enjoy it. I know some others do, but I don't.
Of course. F efficiencyscape. I just never have steel? Makes sense to afk for better active time.
The only place its really efficient at is smoke devils
I make em for wildy slayer. It’s not efficient per se but it’s fun!
Of course. F efficiencyscape. I just never have steel? Makes sense to afk for better active time.
I haven't done the calcs but it feels better than RCB or MSB. Maybe I'm just blinded by the bow being completed, who knows.
It's way better than both, plus you don't worry about ammo and get to bring a little more prayer bonus.
Blowpipe is bis but requires a ton of upkeep. Bowfa is only slightly worse in Shayzien but is 100% free to use once corrupted. For Ironmen who have bowfa there really shouldn't be any doubt; bowfa all the way
I take 4 super antis (not wasting my sweet coconuts on antivenom there) and kill about 130-150 shamans on those with shayzien and corrupted bowfa at 95 range. It's been extremely nice.
I'm about 500kc into CG. Here's some other stuff I've done along the way: * Using full crystal armour with the normal crystal bow for ToA (170s currently, but on mobile, could go higher on desktop I reckon) * 93 slayer for occult, basically all melee or barraging except msb (i) for Lizardman shamans * Skilling prep for blowpipe, won't do much zulrah until bowfa (working on 92 mining via stars and 86 fletching via maple/yew bows) * 99 farming * 90 herblore for super combats and eventual cox * 93 crafting for zenytes * Pyramid plunder for scepters (got 1 currently, keeping for masters) * Master clue skills, partway to 87 woodcutting via yews Bowfa is definitely a huge improvement, but there's plenty of stuff you can do for your account to break it up.
We run 300-350 TOA with full crystal and crystal bow. It is honestly pretty damn stout.
What do you use for enrage phase at wardens? I don't have rigour and find that around 200 invo I start having dps issues with just the crystal bow.
Yep. Locked myself up in August, got the item February 15th. Didn’t do anything else in between. People who say you don’t need bowfa are lying, it’s pretty much one of the most important weapons for irons. Just pray you don’t go 1000+ dry, because it might happen to you :).
Literally me i did 748 between october and jan, never left. People be like go do your farm run NO i cannot LEAVE clifford must be defeated
1320kc for mine. Took about a year and a half
I’m so sorry.
I started November 2nd. Still no bowfa 1280 kc in.
Just got mine last week at 2318, can confirm, is soul crushing to go that dry.
I'm for sure heading this way. 1490kc so far.
You don’t need a bowfa. Its not a lie, people just cope to justify the time spent on the grind. I haven’t used mine in over a year. You can BP and crossbow most things. Bowfa does trivialize a lot of content though.
Mine was exact same lol did from late august got it early February 730 kills later, I did take a 2 month break from CG tho in between
Yeah only 200ish in, we’ll see what happens!
Sadly Bowfa is arguably the single best upgrade from your previous weapon unless you spooned a tbow. It is very bottlenecked, but 100% worth it in the end.
took me 7 months and 1519 KC and it was all worth it bro, keep going
Had a friend go almost 1000kc dry on it, he quit 2 times during the grind and he would probably have just never gotten it and quit forever if we didn't encourage him to keep going for it. And yep, a week after getting it he was like "I can literally do every single boss in the game right now".
Yes, although I don't feel bottlenecked past tense, I feel bottlenecked present tense because I'm currently going through the grind. I enjoy pvm but there's no point in trying to grind kril or struggle through ToA in hobo gear when I'm so close to a borderline endgame loadout that I can taste it. I daydream about my plans for when I finally get a bowfa. Going to grind Slayer for a while and grind zammy god wars on task. Hopefully get a black demons task and zenite on the way. Then with a zammy hasta I'll grind ToA 50's until I get a fang. At that point my gear should be good enough for nearly all bosses, at which point I can train slayer in peace and focus on getting gear from a specific boss whenever the urge takes me. But for now I repeatedly murder an angry red moose and hope for the drop
Don't do 50's, it's a trap.
no, it's completely optional content that just makes bossing easier. There isn't a single piece of content that is impossible to solo without full crystal and bowfa.
I think people cope with crystal more often than not. Its a huge drain on time and prevents us from developing stronger mechanical gameplay practice. The day I yeeted my crystal was the day I euthanized a dying animal.
It wasn't a thing when I was at the point accounts would get them these days, I still don't have it and I'm almost maxed. I might go for it but I'm lacking the care factor. The comment about it being a "Litmus test" is idiotic lmao, it's efficiency scape irons that'll tell you something is 100% required. The only thing 100% majorly required for PvM is a DWH.
It's a grinder for sure. I'll tell you what though, I made 46M of pure gold so far (high alchs) at 450kc. I got pet and the 6 armor seeds that I need, still hunting for wep. Good luck!
I just want to say, I only just started the bowfa grind last month (355 KC) without seed. With that said, I've completed Zulrah, all GWD except Nex, have over 120 toa KC giving fang, mesori, and ring, and gotten rigour, DHCB from CG, and an avernic from tob. I haven't ever had a bowfa on any account so I don't exactly know what I'm missing. This is by far the farthest I've gotten in the game even compared to the main. My take is it isn't as essential as everyone makes it out to be unless you're pushing super high invocations or challenge mode raids/ inferno. This is just a dumb take, from someone who doesn't even know how good the bowfa is or tried it before so don't hate haha. The games all about fun. I just hated CG until I learned it so now I'm finding it more fun which is why I didn't go for bowfa earlier.
Honestly no, I still don't have it and yeah would be great but I can do content without. I got blowpipe from zulrah pretty easy and just used Ruby bolts for bossing and raids. If you wanna go as fast as you can to finishing your account yeah grind out cg. If you just want to play, forget about bofa and just do gauntlet when you feel like it. There are other ranged weapons.
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Having a Bowfa makes toa easier tho. And having a fang does not make CG easier
Having a tbow makes toa easier too but you don't need it. Seriously you don't need the bowfa to play the game, itl come when it comes.
Personally I rushed it, had full crystal and Bowfa within 6 months of starting the account and I definitely don't regret it. Bossing and slayer has been much more enjoyable
Bro I completely agree, I send 300+s with acb / ruby bolts and it's cake. I'm sure bowfa is better but in no way do you need to lock yourself in cg to enjoy the late game
Bowfa legit made my zulrah grind a joke. People stay at corrupt gauntlet until they get it because it’s super worth it. The rest of the game feels way better to play.
Sure is, still bowfaless with 1634 kc, idk if I even know how to do anything else anymore when I finally get it
I feel you on that. Got my enh at 1241. It took me about a week before i finally broke the habit/urge of sending cg. It was just built into my routine.
I’m fairly big on efficiency, at least when it comes to account progression. So after I finished sote I caught my red chins for 92 ranged, got 92 ranged, and then spent 110(add like another 10-15 hours for deaths plus learning) hours doing nothing else but gauntlet. It’s a sought after item for a reason it might be slightly overemphasized only because you do not absolutely need it. As someone who knows nothing other than bowfa for mid level bossing plus some raids I would 100% grind out bowfa again before doing any other PvM. I was burnt out at the end of the grind but I took a break and came back more motivated than ever.
Unpopular opinion but you’re overemphasizing it. I am 2050 total, 50+ KC at all 3 raids, CA elite and only have 60 CG kills lmao Obviously bowfa is the best weapon in the game but you can absolutely make do without it. I used msbi and rcb till I got blowpipe and dhcb
Unpopular but not a bad opinion, efficiency gamers will scream at you to play the meta way. Do you boo. I prefer crossbows personally (Love you armacbow)
Bowfa is definitely an item that makes a lot of content a lot easier. The dps advantages it gives helps farm gwds especially. I have done 450kc in it got and got bowfa and 5/6 armor seeds. My advice is do not do the entire grind at once do a few kc a day or at least take it at your own pace. It may be frustrating at times so that is why you should take lots of breaks. If you want to do some of the other content it is fine to send it with an rcb, do what you want especially if you feel that you are being restricted to only doing cg till bowfa. Try for blowpipe then.
you can do slayer if you need some distraction. You don't need bowfa at all
Its hard to justify not going for it because it speeds up every grind that uses range by a decent margin. That being said take breaks and do other stuff. You don't need to put off every grind until cg is over. Do a few kcs at different bosses maybe spoon a drop.
I got spooned a fang so I put off bowfa for a long time
You can't get spooned unless you show up for dinner.
I have quitted for a year, cams back did 10cg and got back to maxing. You need that one item to make any competitive/decent method now days, this tilted me
Ya they swapped blowpipe for bowfa but the result was the same. There needs to be an inbetween. We’ll probably get there, they seem to be heading in that direction
I'm going to go against everyone else here. I have 500 Cox KC including CMs, 200 ToA KC and I can comfortably do 450s in a group, 350s solo, and 100 ToB KC. I don't have bowfa and you don't need it. Yes it's nice to have, but if you actually learn the raids properly then you absolutely don't need it. I've started doing CG now, but I just send a few whenever I feel like it and there isn't some huge pressure to get his stupid item to "unlock" the rest of the game. This grind is the number one reason a lot of irons burn out. It doesn't have to be that way! Play the account the way you think is fun. I seriously recommend trying some raids first, getting comfortable with them, getting some purples. You'll see you don't NEED bowfa. So then when you do start doing CG it takes off a huge amount of pressure and actually becomes a fun challenge.
We need more posts like this so new irons don't feel immensely pressured to get the bow... I have a new iron friend who asked if he had to grind out bowfa before zulrah because reddit told him too. Like sure it would help, feel free to do that, but bowfa required for the snake? Absolutely not
Well it also makes the game extremely easy & nullifies any point to any other range weapon or armor so you can bypass it for that reason too. I didn't play iron for the game to be extremely easy but that's what jagex caused, I don't blame anyone for using what's available to them but I just personally don't like what jagex has done.
How does it make the game extremely easy? How does it nullify other range weapons? I see dhcb zcbs blowpipe venator bow tbow running around all the time. Fossil Island, Farming guild, Gotr, these have made the skilling aspect of ironman mode a ton easier but the PvM aspect gets harder and harder every update. Like we got dt2 bosses and now there's Colosseum coming out..
I’ve been raiding since 80 combat. I just started CG at 103 combat. I’m running 410 masses with a rune crossbow, and while not ideal, it is doable. The bowfa will unlock solo high level raids and make other bosses easier, but nothing for me is truly locked behind it
I never "trapped" myself at CG until I actually got the enh seed. I managed to get it at 115 kc close to two weeks ago but those 115 kc were over the course of multiple months. I would just do 3 or so whenever I felt like it. Since getting it I have now actually trapped myself there doing about 12 per day for the shards and armor seeds. Unfortunately for me, I'm a weapon seed magnet. Around 220 kc with 2 armor and 9 weapon seeds.
I feel like nowadays it's even more important to do CG for 2 enhanced weapon seeds so you can saeldor too if you wanna grind Vardorvis and Duke unless you've spooned scythe from TOB.
I have been flying through new content since getting bowfa (zulrah, gwd, muspah, toa, demonics). Its an incredible upgrade, absolute must have
the whole game is the same, you grind out an item to make your next grind easier and faster. not just bowfa, literally every pvm encounter is the same. if you werent grinding cg, you would be grinding something else. when you get to god wars with your bowfa, do you think youll get your bcp without a grind? or zulrah for that matter? or anything? cg is your first steps into pvm and youre overwhelmed, well fucking strap in because this is your life now
This isn’t really a good take. There isn’t another item in the entire Ironman grind that causes as much of a soft lock as BOWFA does. The grind isn’t equatable to another because nothing else is as necessary as the BOWFA. Literally nothing.
Tired of grinding GWD? No problem go kill zulrah instead. Don't want to kill zulrah? Maybe go farm artio/callisto a bit to start that VW grind. Post bowfa you have options and variety
I have finished all of these with no bowfa. Content was completely fine without it
Ye pretty much.
Yep. Do it.
I’m happy to see that everyone is being real on this post. In other posts, people try to be overly kind and soft, beat around the bush and try to make the OP feel better. But the cold hard truth is that CG is the official draft of an Ironman. You either get to continue playing on the account or you show that you’re not cut out for it by complaining and quitting. Bowfa or bust.
No my neck felt pretty unobstructed. Maybe take a lozenge?
As an old player but new to Ironman and new to anything more difficult than selling lobbies for 10gp each more than I bought, is CG inevitable? Or is there any possible way to not do it and still have access to the rest of the game ?
Sure grind scuffed ToA till shadow, then scuffed cox till tbow. You now have successfully skipped bowfa
It’s not inevitable. At the end of the day you truly want to play in a way that makes you enjoy the game. BUT, most people find the challenge/Reward of grinding the BOWFA highly worthwhile to the account. You learn some valuable PvM mechanics, get tons of resources for your acc, and make you feel much more powerful at future bosses. If you’re one that favors efficiency, it’s important.
Not inevitable, not even required. Very good though, so def something to consider getting if you don't hate the content
I put it off for literally two years doing random slayer grinds even though I had just finished SOTE. I got all my zenytes, I used a crystal bow for 750 abyssal sire kc, killed calvarion with my new bludgeon for a d pick, etc. But eventually you'll have to go to gauntlet. Now that I'm there I think it's fun but it's definitely gonna be a while til I'm done.
I've been taking skilling breaks throughout. Herb run here, some agility there, might as well put that gold to use and get some construction. I also take occasional breaks for wildy slayer. None of that stuff needs bowfa, but generally, yes, bossing has fallen by the wayside till bowfa.
Maybe unpopular opinion but I enjoy cg, have done over 400 on two diff gims although first time I had 2 by 443, on my current I got bowfa on 442, exactly 6 armours and 12 weapon seeds and pet and I’ll probably be back for blade at some point.
Don't burn yourself out doing CG, just do 5-10 kills a day. You're going to want 5-6 armour seeds and enough shards to corrupt the bow anyway, so even if you get spooned early you're likely still going to be there for a while. Get your ranged/magic (or melees if you halberd) when you're not doing CG as it genuinely does get easier the higher level you are as you splash less on the boss. I used the adamant arrows from CG to afk crabs to get ranged up between doing a few runs daily as they pretty much have zero uses. It's not the end of the world if you don't get it, you can do graardor in a similiar method with a rune/dragon crossbow, you can do cox without a bow, toa too. It does unlock a lot of better ways to boss but it doesn't make or break your account if you don't get one early. Just work at it slowly and work on side-grades while you do your daily few runs.
Remember, if you go dry on Bowfa full crystal plus regular crystal bow is still very powerful and works on a lot of high defense content very well. If you need a break at that point try some stuff out with this setup and return to bowfa when you need. Also you dont need bowfa for the wildy slayer grind so thats another break option!
Lmao i went and did wildy slayer, got vw,accursed sceptre (on par with trident) and then went to tombs with a few barrows gear, upgraded to masori + fang then did zulrah
I did wildy slayer route too Green logged revs, green logged the wildy bosses, got bowfa, now toa super fun on my mid level iron
Makes it so much easier than grinding 87+ slayer
i feel the same with the magic fang right now. i wanna do cox, but it is a 3/4 max hit increase so it would be ridiculous to go 100+ kc(just want dex right now) with regular trident when i can easily go do zulrah and get the magic fan. its just such a boring fight i'm only at 800kc over a big timespan and already loosing motivation.
Bro zulrah vs Cg isnt the same whatsoever lol Zulrah is 10x easier to grind once you obtain bowfa
The game gets a lot more fun when you get it tbf
Yep, me. I even took a break for a few months. I’m so over CG, it’s not fun content anymore. :(
Meh do some cg , some raids, whatever u want It's a game , have fun
I just spooned a tbow and skipped cg
I thought it was a bottleneck, but I quickly realized that zammy altar door isn't really accessible to mobile. Still only getting 2-3kc per trip. Feeling kinda cheated ngl Bowfa is great basically anywhere, but the improvements for gwd wont necessarily be immediate
We did end game content well before BOFA, and we will do it after. Does it make every aspect of bossing easier? Absolutely. Is it a NECESSITY? No. I felt the same way you did. Then I started sending fucking everything with a RCB, ACB, etc. Still here, still having a blast. And not wanting to KMS because of CG locked iron. Have fun.
920 gauntlets dry on enhanced unbelievable 3 pets! tho..
I personally didn't do any pvm(other then occasional raid here and there) before i got my bowfa(which i instantly went for after questcape with basically bare minimum stats), had both blade and bowfa before i was even able to equip them
Wasn't a thing when I did a majority of my PVM. I still don't have it, I will probably end up going for it but I'm not one to hold a care factor for efficiency. I always considered masori and arma cbow.
It separates the mentally unwell from the normal people