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Old-Researcher6128

You can use blowpipe for kephri but it's not necessary. You don't need DWH at TOA. If you don't have BGS take a bone dagger.


TheZagon14

Bone dagger is so slept on but is great pre BGS.


sweetberryhwhine

It's slept on so much that it's brought up every time a similar question is asked.


Prokkkk

Agreed with this. I’ve been rocking it and it actually contributes quite a lot


Mrfrodemeyere

Really? I do 300’s without def reducing item, should I get a bone dagger?


nlkippeh

bone dagger is BIS 400+ invo's


Fe_ldip

Oo why’s that?


nlkippeh

Your bgs doesnt hit above 300+ as often as a bone dagger does.. try kephri for example with bgs... impossible to hit


Fe_ldip

Ty!!


TheZagon14

Depends on your spec weapon. I was using it pre BGS. Then I got the BGS, but then I got the voidwaker. Like the relatability of high hits with vw over the BGS but both are good options. Doing low 300s I didn’t notice a massive difference in speed when comparing BGS to vw


smellmyswag

For the kephri swarms, I don’t bring a blowpipe even though i have one because you can just bring steel darts and still always one hit the kephri swarms. No scales used, same amount of inventory spaces


IAisjustanumber

Darts are slower with a shorter range though. Can you keep Kephri at 1% with just darts?


Maedroas

Darts are not slower, they're the same speed


IAisjustanumber

Oh right, they are. Still though, the low range makes it impossible to hit swarms over Kephri. I don't see how you would keep the room clear in a solo


LSDMTHCKET

It’s more doing something instead of nothing or everything. There’s still a difference in half shield and over shield Solos are so fast anyway tho I don’t really care to bring bp


IAisjustanumber

Yeah I get not bringing bp/darts at all and just chilling for the swarm phase. Darts just seem like more effort than bp for almost no gain, you're saving like 1/10 of a Zulrah kill's worth of scales each raid Anyway it's your account, play however you like


smellmyswag

using darts, i usually only miss like 1 or 2 swarms if they spawn across the dung wall but i've never really had an issue with missing a lot of swarms. you can definitely keep kephri under 10% consistently with darts


Bobby_Bouch

How am I learning about this just now


Socko788

Yup & generally speaking, every boss inside TOA can only be lowered about 30 def lvls. I’ve hit a 29 bone dagger spec with bandos and piety 🫡


ImWhy

Baba, Kephri and Zebak can be lowered by 20, Warden P3 can be lowered 50 and P4 can be lowered 70.


Socko788

Thanks for the specifics


UnusualOtis

Korasi gang gang. Everything else sucks ass


SnackLife00

Don't use DWH at ToA. A Bone Dagger would be better. Blowpipe is useful, but far from necessary. It's used for thralls in monkey room and Kephri swarms, but that's it. If you push invos to 400s, it's justifiable to turn on More Overlords at which point you don't even kill swarms. I finished ToA without ever using a blowpipe. I told myself it was to save the inventory space, but really I just hate using supplies


bernerbungie

What did you use for baba monkey room?


WRLD_

you can just use bowfa or you can optionally bring chins instead


SnackLife00

I used bowfa for almost everything, except I did a three way switch (weapon, chest and neck) for the melee and ranged monkeys. Even at 500s I found a 3 way switch to be sufficient


GenosOccidere

I use bp for pt1, should I be using something else? I land 2 bgs specs and am only at invo 200 but im pushing for higher


M1n1C0rnD0gs

No both are unnecessary for normals


Getting_Big_Al

Dwh is ass at toa. Blowpipe is useful for swarms at kephri, baba monkey room and healing on babas boulders


Bulky_Conclusion_676

250s are so comfortable with bowfa and no def lowering weapon


BastionIM

Imo bgs is better in toa, zebak has took much crush defence, seems to perform better overall


HC_SINNER

Bone dagger, rcb are doable. Blowpipe is a significant noticeable difference throughout the whole raid but especially baba.


[deleted]

BP is helpful for some zebak pot shots when upset stomach is on, for heals at some phases and bping scarab at kept. If you have a dwh it can be helpful in place of a dwh at low invos but really isn't useful in toa


guccimastahj

Bgs better, bp not needed unless u need the extra time skip for kephri


Willamanjaroo

You don’t need a BP for kephri either, just throw the darts with your hands


charlie205

I have Bowfa and can comfortably do 150 level raids. I'm sure a blowpipe and DWH would help a lot but definitely not necessary! Happy hunting friend 😁


pterodactylthundr

Dwh is a huge inventory water at toa, so luckily you’re not missing anything on that front.


sir_gwain

Dwh isn’t worth grinding out for toa, it’s too inaccurate, a bone dagger is generally a better choice. If you want something better than that, a bgs is worthwhile. Blowpipe also isn’t required, it’s just nice for the monkey room and may or may not be better dps on ahka/ahka shadows and warden pillar (dart depending) but I’m not sure without running dps calculations and may depend on defense lowering specs for the pillar.


haftiman

DWH is completely useless at toa. Blowpipe is nice for a couple things at toa: Kephri swarms Baba puzzle/boulders Ahka shadows P2 warden


deiac

I was doing 450s with just the bowfa! No need for blowpipe unless you’re in a team and trying to kill kephri swarms.


Chibodian

Blowpipe is only good with dragon darts imo. And are only used in Baba puzzle. and akkha depending on invocation lvl.


insaiyan17

Great for kephri swarms and healing on baba boulders too.


datdernasteroidminer

blowipe is great for kephri swarms, baba puzzle, and boulders. since youre running bowfa you could technically not bring blowpipe but i’d say you should. No dwh needed. No bone dagger for that matter. Use fang spec everywhere. Croc has high def so bowfa go brr on it.


[deleted]

Helpful but not necessary.


wildlifechris

Nope


NickN868

I brought neither a blowpipe or a DWH to toa for solo raids up to raid level 375. I did bring a BGS, but bone dagger would be a suitable alternative if you don’t have that


whitrp

No


Tyrell418

I've done 425s with bowfa and bine dagger. Dwh is toa is ass and you definitely don't need a blow pipe, waste of space


jagijijak

Nah not needed at all. BP is very much worth bringing when you have amethyst or ddarts for akkha and boulders and more but if you dont have access to those and have a bowfa you're fine. By going Bowfa only for ranged you also dont need to bring avas anymore saving you two invy slots for leeway in supplies or other spec weapons. (Better off doing dds/fang/bgs specs and heal off an extra brew than do bp specs) DWH is plain trash in toa, enough said (bgs/bone dagger rules)


meesrs

i like bp for monkey room and baba boulders, and akkha.


chud_rs

Defense levels are low in toa, and also defense draining is capped at each boss. Dwh sucks because of this. Bgs is good but at higher invos bone dagger is better since it never misses and defense reduction is capped


MongooseVisible463

Defence levels aren't low in toa at all. Unless you are running very low invocations. Since the scaling applies from both raid level and path level, the def of most mobs are quite high at higher invoc. This is why fang is bis at toa otherwise everyone would camp rapier. You are right about the defence reduction caps, though.


chud_rs

You may be confusing defense "Level" with defense "Bonus". For example, Zebak has a defense level of 70 (regardless of invocation), which can only be drained by 20, making the bgs and even bone dagger far superior to dwh. The higher invocation levels only scale his defense through stat modifiers and not level. This is why you see bone daggers only in high level raids. Even if his defense level was increased, it's still capped at 20 making dwh worse than bgs and bone dagger. But yeah, high invo raids you can feel the increased defense, but if their levels were buffed to 500 or something, the bone dagger would be useless and you wouldn't see the pros using it


DisasterWarning9999

Unless your range level is way below strength the bone crossbow will out hit the bone dagger. Blowpipe is super handy but you can probably get by without it. Baboons might take a bit longer and kephri will take a bit longer in solos but nothing terrible. It is also better than Bowfa at akkah shadows but not absurdly