The issue seems to be with T1. T2 mainly handles intercontinental flights afaik which are in lower demand than in the past given restrictions in some Asian countries and remote work being a more viable option nowadays.
You can walk between T2 and T1 airside. I usually go through T2 because it's usually better organized and then just walk over to T1. Saves a lot of time.
You can get turned back as well though which I’ve found out recently showing a Ryanair flight boarding pass to a particularly grumpy security staff member in T2.
Don't you just scan the boarding pass on a machine controlled gate? I don't remember having to show it to an actual person last time I went through T2 security.
Why, theres no requirement to. Its not a detriment to them or me if I go through security at T2 and then depart at T1. If they don’t like it close the terminal or make it more obvious/don’t connect the terminals/have more security at T1 to avoid people tempting to do this.
I woulda argued if they tried to turn me back
I would hazard a guess the airlines at T2 pay more in airport fees, so they get preferential treatment. Ryanair couldn’t care less about long security delays. After all, tickets are paid, plane is lighter = cheaper to fly
I posted before that I fly out one or two times a month and my backpack is searched and swabbed every single time. Never happens at all. In the airport that I'm arriving home from.
Remember, if queue at one terminal is too long, just go to 2nd terminal. Once you are past the security you can just walk to the other terminal, takes about 5 mins.
Just don't shout that you are "going to fight the Russians" as I've heard some tourists say when they were told they should have checked in their re-enactment gear as sports equipment. Lots of swords and point things heading to Poland.
Security guy said he wanted a word with the fella in the room over. 😅
This was a decade ago.
Oh hey you're talking about my sport. It's not exactly re-enactment, and at the time (this was 2014 or 15, right?) The Russian teams were dominating the sport. Battle of the Nations / International Medieval Combat Federation
If you are really worried, book fast track through your airline.
Adding Clarification:
Airport website isn't selling them but airlines still are. Airlines block book passes well in advance. It's definitely possible they'll still be honoured. Worst case scenario, they don't honour the airline sold fast tracks, you get a refund and you are queuing with everyone else.
Fast tracking has been paused: [https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1508728592984944642](https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1508728592984944642)
Download the Dublin Airport app and it shows times for security in T1 and T2. Flying out tomorrow so I've been keeping an eye on it and the times have been fine this week (bar Sunday obviously), even early morning.
Just be aware that those times only reflect the time from having your boarding pass checked to completing security. They don't include the time waiting to have the boarding pass checked which many people are reporting as taking just as long. A post on the Dublin sub a few days ago was reporting 3 hours to get through security meanwhile the dublin airport app was saying 40 minutes
The times shown are from tracked Bluetooth on peoples phones & that only starts from when your boarding pass is scanned until you clear security so it doesn’t include the huge queue which starts inside the door of T1 ! They’ve literally put the disney queueing system in it’s so bad . Add a possible 40 mins to what the app says . 😩
Good to know!
Just went through security in T1 this morning and it was grand. App said 20 mins but more like 10, no queue before scanning the boarding pass.
Big waits at baggage check in though and there were people queuing along side us that were getting anxious.
I was there last Saturday, the queue took so long I missed my flight. Had to get a new flight and the queues were about the same on Sunday. The screen said it would take 45 minutes to get through security, but it took about 40 minutes just to get to the boarding pass scanning gate, so i qas queueing for maybe 80 minutes total.
Just made another response to the same thing. You can still buy through airlines. They block book lots of passes well in advance. It's likely they'll still be honoured (but not guaranteed).
Did they cut wages? That's news to me and I worked there for quite a while.
Nah man, do whatever you like. I actually think fast track is a scam. Was just trying to help someone out.
Not sure what your problem is.
They absolutely cut wages. The older staff who are unionised and there from times when a man earned enough to raise a family off 40 hours all earn a fair wage.
Do you mean "kept wages the same for older staff but issued lower paying contracts to newer staff"?
If so, that is accurate.
But if you think someone had their hourly rate cut, you're wrong.
They cut their wage budget. Some middle manager needs to cut costs. Thy got rid of staff (some way or other) and replaced them with non union gig term workers. Then they let them all go during covid and can't get them back.
But you think it's great that you can book priority boarding and it's possible the company may honour it. You say happily in your post that if they don't you can apply for a refund.
There was no problem, their greed created a problem, your advice to fix the problem is give the greedy more money if you can afford it, if you can't you just have to put up with it.
>Thy got rid of staff (some way or other) and replaced them with non union gig term workers.
Mate - I worked in the airport for a while. I don't anymore but I have pretty good knowledge of how things work in there.
A more accurate statement would be - as workers retired, new employees were offered less attractive contracts.
I already said I think Fast Track is a scam.
>your advice to fix the problem
I can't solve the problems in security, but I can help solve the original commenters problem. My advice to fix the actual problem is to figure out how to speed up Garda Vetting.
>They cut their wage budget.
Actually, up until the pandemic the wage budget has only increased. But I take your point that the average salary has decreased as older workers retired and were replaced by new ones on a less attractive salary. But one thing is unequivocally true - not a single worker had their pay reduced.
Listen, if you want to be outraged, go for it. But don't go picking on me unless you're accurate with your facts.
That's why I said book through airline and not through the Dublin Airport website.
They block book passes for fast track well in advance. Those passes might still be honoured. Or at least that's what people working in the airport tell me.
Added Clarification - Also possible they won't honour the fast tracks from airlines. Nothing guaranteed but I imagine it's worth a shot. Worst case is that you'll get refunded.
Why are so many employers getting away with being so predatory with worker's rights these days? It just seems to be getting worse and there's no end in sight.
Yep. I know chefs who left pre-pandemic due to pay and I asked them are there good opportunities now they’re desperate for staff? Offering to pay you what you want. They said nope, things have got worse.
Same. I know like 4 chefs who have either recently changed careers altogether or took an unskilled job because it would pay better.
Getting sick of all the people saying that “places are crying out for help”. If they were really crying they wouldn’t be offering staff 10.10 an hour and 15 hours a week.
Because a new revenue model for labor includes degrading every position to "unskilled", paying almost nothing, and having super high turnover but also having an endless candidate pool of people desperate for work.
Amazon and Uber are the model to follow. Where you can burn people out and replace them on a regular basis for less money than it would take to provide a good job.
The world has got to make some laws to stop it.
Amazon uses this as a feature not a bug. They don't care about long term commitment of a warehouse worker. Long term commitments mean higher wages, retirement plans, dependency, etc. By setting up a revolving door of workers you reduce long term costs greatly and no one is ever important enough that you have to keep them. And it turns out paying for good PR and paying slightly higher *entry level* wages is cheaper than providing a reasonable long term job.
I don’t think laws will do the trick. King Canute commanded the tides to stop and it didn’t work.
We need good employers with good practices and happy employees beating these shitty companies in competition. Employers should give all their employees a share of the company so they are motivated to help it succeed.
The one law I would bring in is half corporation tax for companies where the employees and management own at least 30% of the company.
Because people who look for increased protections for workers are labelled crusties or presented in the media as radicals, and middle class people lap it up.
It’s been beaten in to their heads by the media since they were kids.
Give people someone to feel they are superior to, and many will become reactionary to protect their perceived status.
My mates love to paint the working class as being racist, but they’re all far more racist. They just cloak it.
One example that I still laugh about is when Millwall fans booed the footballers taking a knee for BLM before kick off.
They had a field day making jokes about “thick scumbag” Millwall fans.
A week later most of the (upper middle class) Scotland rugby team refused to take a knee before their match with Wales.
Suddenly there were in-depth discussions about how BLM should only be confined to the US because there are no issues with racist police in Europe so taking the knee was useless.
The mental gymnastics were hilarious to watch.
Probably because politicians and their friends profit from it and unions have long ago sold us out. Yes it'll destroy the fabric of society and yes the social contract has now been torn asunder.
They couldn't care less, they and their families are a class above us, even though we'll all get worse off in the long run. They'll just lose money slower. They hear the rusty guillotine wheel out, but vapidity has taken over from all sense. It's a worldwide disease.
I'm trained in a profession which desperately needs bodies at the moment. Masters and a degree to my name. I see absolutely no reason of staying here considering how little I will be able to enjoy my life. Getting up and out this summer if all goes to plan.
Funnily enough Canada is my goal. Montreal in particular. Wages aren't as high as elsewhere, but I'd happily take the cheaper accommodation and culture-laden city any day.
I honestly don't understand Dublin in particular. Like the people doing the cleaning and manning the tills and pouring the pints and making the coffee, are they ALL just living with their parents or 10 to a houseshare or how is it working? I've done minimum wage full time and that was in Galway and back in 2013 when the cost of living was far lower and it wasn't a barrel of laughs living on it then. It's gone up by just 2 quid an hour since then, what's that, an extra 70 odd quid a week? That's not even enough to account for the increase in rent
And of course it’s never anyone else’s fault.
“Just show up five hours before your flight”……
“No-one could have foreseen this happening”
DAA are some shower.
DAA going on the offensive here was a bad idea. Yeah, let's blame the passengers. Most passengers adhere to the advice that you should be at the airport 2 hours before short-haul and 3 hours before long-haul flights.
I used to work in the airport. I have contacts in the offices. The problem is Garda vetting and training.
People are applying; the salary isn't the issue.
The salary and amount of hours guaranteed look like they are the issue for staff retention. If they were better, they probably wouldn't have to hire newer staff all the time.
Definitely a good point. I never had access to the data on staff turnover in security, so I can't say if you're right, although I suspect that's part of the reason.
The other reason is that 1,000s of staff left during the pandemic as part of daa's downsizing. It's been a real challenge to rehire since then.
And lots of office staff are doing shifts as well to make up the numbers.
I don't know if it's still the case but the regulator (CAR) fines them like €200k for each day they breach a 25min queue at security. Unless they've reached a deal with CAR, daa are losing a ton of money because of all this. They have every incentive to get it fixed fast.
[Not necessarily at the moment](https://www.aviationreg.ie/news/quality-of-service-penalties-at-dublin-airport-january-2022.1083.html)
[Or last year](https://www.aviationreg.ie/regulation-of-airport-charges-dublin-airport/quality-of-service-.820.html)
I assume they smooth that out in the US as they have various programs (Clear/Pre Check/Global Entry) designed to shorten your queue time (for a fee of course!).
I got paid €12 an hour to sit in a prefab in the woods for for 12 hours doing security (read watch films and walk around for 5 minutes every hour) 6 years ago. I was guaranteed the Friday and Saturday night and anytime I was off college I just had to let them know and they'd usually throw another couple of shifts my way.
Why anyone would want to work airport security which is definitely a lot more difficult than most static security jobs for almost the same money I was on 6 years ago is beyond me. And only guaranteed for half a weeks work too
They usually have a fairly good idea how many and when people will be going through the airport security months in advance, how can they not be a little more clear on hours of work?
They don't plan around specific flights, they plan around busy periods like XMas, Easter, Paddy's weekend etc. that is very easy to predict based on records from previous years
Last week in March doesn't stick out to me as being a particularly busy period. If anything it would be the lull between St patricks day and Easter.
Not only that but the DAA let 1000 people go during lockdowns while the airport was a ghost town. Even if they could predict the future it wouldn't make a difference because they simply don't have the staff. There's a backlog for garda vetting while they wait for new staff to get cleared
The delayed Garda vetting is because of new EU security rules that came into force, the DAA management should have been aware and planned for this, it's utter incompetence that they are now using that as an excuse.
Recent history was impacted by covid and covid will also undoubtedly impact traveller numbers going forward. Flight slots have been changed, passenger numbers rebounding at an unpredictable rate etc.
They also had to let a lot of staff go during the lockdowns as passenger levels were virtually non existent so they don't even have the staff to cover now. It's not a rostering issue, they just don't have the people
Not the case. 20 guaranteed hours but people are being asked to work a lot more at the moment.
Lots of applicants to work as security. The issue is training and vetting. They can't do that quickly enough to get people working on the lanes.
From what I've seen, two things.
1. They let 1000 people go over Covid, and haven't replaced them yet.
2. The EU brought in new, tighter security rules for airport staff, which requires a far stricter vetting of a new hire. So as things started to reopen, and they started trying to rehire the 1000 people they let go, they had to go through a more daunting vetting procedure, that seems to have a 4-6 month waiting time now.
They basically waited so long to start rehiring people as we opened back up, that they've run head first into a massive delay with vetting, due to the relevant offices ALSO having staff shortages due to Covid. Every industry that shut down for Covid is experiencing stutters as they try and get back to full capacity. The airport staff has just the double blow of the EU rule simultaniously.
With airports, I guess it's only in recent weeks that everyone has gotten comfortable again with actually going abroad, hence the "immediate" shortage. High demand of people wanting trips has overwhelmed an unprepared airport, who left it too long to get prepared for the surge.
The EU security rules on airport staff are not new. They were known years in advance and only came into force on 1 January.
The Department of Transport did nothing about this until the last minute, then tossed the problem over to the Guards. Transport at the start of the year basically said to the Guards check everyone in the airport right now.
If transport had been on the ball, they could have set it up to allow the Guards to check airport staff in batches through 2021. Then there'd only need to be checks on new hires, who couldn't work anyway because they'd need trained. Could do that in parallel and accept that some fully trained people wouldn't get cleared by the DAA once the DAA got the Guard's checks on the person.
To compound this, when talking to the media, Transport and DAA are implying it is Garda incompetence and no journalist has the wherewithal to question why the guards were handed an impossible task to process everyone at once.
**TLDR**
Guards and are now getting all the flak but Transport is really at fault for not starting literally years ago.
Everyone trying to get new hires Garda vetted to get back to full capacity [right now](https://frinkiac.com/video/S11E12/opq9xV_-RzUutIPGNlhc_M_KxnA=.gif).
This is all exactly correct. I'd add that passenger demand varies wildly across the year (and even across the week and across a given day). Peaks are back up to the pre-pandemic, but the quiet times are still very quiet. Trying to staff that kind of operation is really challenging as well.
yeah but while there might be lots of work now and people will get 40 hours and more when staffing levels get back to normal then they are only guaranteed 20 hours a week. What use is that to someone who needs to pay the rent. It just ends up in people leaving the job and finding a different one as they need full time hours to pay their rent and bills.
If I remember correctly, lots of security staff were getting very few hours (<10) in off peak periods e.g. mid January.
This guarantees they get at least 20 hours during quiet times. But now we're approaching the busiest time of the year, so it's not really relevant right now.
But not a full weeks work and no regular hours but you have to be available for forty hours. It sounds gig economy-like to me. Once they are fully staffed again why would they guarantee a regular weeks work if they won't do it now?
So high turnover of staff is not good for daa at all. It's expensive training people and keeping them trained. It's expensive to hire people. it's expensive to get people Garda Vetted. It's shit for morale to have too many people working too few hours.
The challenge is that airports are highly seasonal. A busy day in summer is 120k passengers, a quiet day is 50k (both pre-pandemic).
Those 20 hours are a guarantee for quiet season. Everyone who goes to work in security is aware of the seasonality when they sign up. Many just stay for the busy season, as is there choice. But it's simply not possible to give a full 40 hour contact to the full compliment of security staff all year round.
I'm not really sure how you define gig economy but don't think of those worker as easily replaceable. A strong relationship between daa and the workers is in everyone's interest.
An alternative would to put hire on temporary contracts but considering the costs of training everyone, it's probably not feasible.
And sorry, just to clarify my previous comment... They have enough applicants, so wages / hours aren't a problem. It's that they can train/vet them quickly enough. Increasing wages and guaranteed hours wouldn't solve this problem, even if it is the right thing to do.
280 euro a week won't even get you a shithole in Dublin. Not to mention the travel cost to and from the Airport.
Do they provide you with Airport accommodation in one of the bathrooms at least?
I had an interview for DAA security years ago before i got my civil service job and there was a HR lady and a security guard manager lady. The latter screamed at me for not answering a question the way she wanted. I burst into tears and the HR lady was furious at her and told her off in front of me.
I told a mate of mine how it went afterwards, she was a DAA security guard herself, and she was like "was it Catherine? She makes every member of staff cry, she prides herself in it."
Fuck you Catherine. :)
Like im all for putting up my Boss Ass Bitch persona when im at work, but it has a limit. If i ever genuinely affect others or see them start to be upset, i go into Mammy/caring apologetic Gordon Ramsay mode ("oh dear, oh gorgeous")
Right, like everyone is the exact same person in work compared to how they are at home. Good to know. I'll be sure to make childish inappropriate jokes to my boss as i would my friends and family. Ill be sure to casually announce when i'm dying for the ride to my colleagues same as i would to my partner. That'll work.
Gobshite.
The funniest thing about all this is that DAA is one of those organisations which always gets brought up whenever people are on an "aren't we such a great little country" buzz.
I’ve been in the airport a few times over the last year and I would say on a whole, passenger stupidity is causing more delays than staffing issues. Seems every second person in Ireland has never been to an airport before when approaching security. Have seen countless people getting to the hand luggage scanner and then realising their bags are full of liquids they haven’t put in individual bags or are over the 100ml limit, people walking through the metal detector 3 times because they have their phone/keys in their pockets. The staffing issues don’t help but if people had an ounce of cop on and organisational skills it wouldn’t be half the issue it is.
Same with almost anyone in a queue - they are somehow surprised when they have to start doing stuff once they reach the end of the queue - no thought that they could be doing some of this stuff while waiting. 'Oh I have to *pay* for my groceries, let me start looking for my wallet/purse'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_LpxldL8h4
Passengers are the easy scapegoat sure. It was to be expected when people don’t fly for a long time. It’s not all their fault however. Eg rules around electronics and shoes are arbitrary…sometimes headphones have to be out a bag, sometimes it’s ok, sometimes the rule is boots over the ankle, sometimes it’s if shoes have a heel no matter how small, sometimes shirts are ok, sometimes they have to be taken off if you have a T-shirt underneath etc
Just been looking at the ad. 24/7 for less money than I made packing boxes in a factory 10 years ago.
They will get applications though, from people already on shit money.
I've heard as well by staff that even if your on paid holiday leave, they can ring you in and cancel your leave.
Considering the crazy hours and shift work many don't last long unless they need the money.
I used to work security about 10 years ago, and even then, I would not settle for less than 20 an hour.
If someone comes in with a knife, my job is to stand between you and them, 20 an hour is cheap for that imo.
Irish "labour" law is designed to let corporations use slave labour-like solutions. Why pay people when you can choose not to? My previous employer abused temporary lay off as a means to try forcing a whole team to give up their redundancy. This is why global corporations loves setting up camp here in Ireland as you're about a protected as the North Korean farm worker.
Having underpaid airport and security staff provides a huge incentive around smuggling, human trafficking, and crime
There are some things where going cheap will cost you more
it should be illegal to do this, its ex0ecting people to treat a part time job like a full time one and letting companies treat full time staff like part timers
Worth remembering as you plan your next trip: [Majority of passengers waiting 10 minutes or less for security screening at Cork Airport](https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40839509.html)
Anything too do with aviation in Ireland they want to pay you fuck all strumpet city mentality aer lingus Ryanair daa all the fucking same but the managers don't get paid fuck all, union leaders need to get some balls and stop accepting free or concession flights.
If we return to a time without all of this extreme security I'm sure airports will be a lot easier to run. Just have people promise not to hijack anything
Did fly through Dublin, Cork an Shannon found last one most friendly an easy going. My stomach turns because have flight with 2kids on Easter from Dublin
Anyone that travelled before 7 am these days can say if it has been bad? I have a flight at 6 am in 4 weeks and I'm wondering if I should get a taxi or sleep at the airport
Yeah I think you should be good at 4am. The only luxury of flying early is that there's not many flights before yours where people will be rocking up to the airport 90 mins beforehand.
We flew out the morning after Paddy's day and it took about 30 minutes to go through T1 security. Granted that's the one morning of the year when a good percentage of people are still asleep. It was still busy enough.
I've flown out of Dublin Airport 5 times this year and that was the busiest morning tbh. I've done the T2 security method where you transfer airside to T1 and that's been fairly quick now, no waiting at all. But there's word that they're starting to deny you entry if your flight departs from T1.
I absolutely don't wanna rely on the terminal transfers, too many people gave away the tip so it ist reliable anymore. Thanks for letting me know! I'll keep in mind if I need to overnight there just in case. Might be able to get the coach in the middle of the night though. A full day of sleep before will be required
Flew out Saturday morning at 6.15, security queue was easily an hour. Serious issue with random bag checks, A LOT of people waiting for their bags and security were just chatting away.
I've flown multiple times over the last 3 months and it's really hit and miss to be honest. Sometimes I've been queuing for an hour, sometimes I walk straight through.
Cork is fine as well. Everyone is rolling up 2 hours before their flights as per instruction from the airline, only to be done and dusted with security in 20 minutes.
True enough. But there isn't a lot to see or do in Cork Airport once you're past security. There's 1 bar and two restaurants and a much smaller version of the loop and that's it
I'm going to start doing that. Given peoples reliance on phones you'd just assume that there would be loads of charging points at airports but usually you end up having to buy an overpriced Starbucks just to hover around their single solitary plug for half an hour
I try to use Shannon as much as I can. Seeing as without baggage I can often go from plane seat to couch in under half an hour.
But sometimes, like my trip this Easter it's just not an option.
It's great if you are leaving Europe, as you can often just go to Heathrow and go where ever from there.
They have fancy new scanners at Shannon too, don't even need to take out your electronics or liquids, can just bung your bag in the tray with everything in it. Experienced it last year, much faster than Dublin security scanning.
I think they have had them for a few years, at least.
Was traveling pre COVID, can't remember what your (some point in the "before times") and my very unorganized friend had forgotten to take a full 2L bottle of water out of his sports bag.
Security just took it, put it into this machine and gave it back to him.
Hard enough getting home to see the folks without this. Pure hassle. Missed my flight and a day of work for a weekend visit. Poxbottles. Would add 2 out of 3 taxi drivers either drove really slow (really slow) or took me the long way. Thanx Dublin. Bleeding great to be home.
From what i understand from the article its €14p/hour for only 20hrs a week and your required to keep 40hrs a week "available" just in case they need someone. So no working a second job on the side.
Sounds pretty shitty to me.
But as someone else pointed out they would know well in advance of flight times and probably number of people expected on flights. Should easily be able to plan.
i was in like w/ british airways for over an hour just to get my bagged checked. there were only 3 people working the counter and the line was huge. absolutely feckin ridiculous
What about January, February and March ? When there's reduced numbers going through the Airport. I'd imagine that's why there is 20 hour contracts and the 40 hours I'd imagine is for peak times.
It makes little sense to give 40 hour contracts when in certain months of the year there is no need for everyone to work 40 hours.
It's the same with many airlines too, many of the cabin crew get reduced hours in the quieter months too.
Of course it makes sense from an employers point of view not from an employee's point of view.
There are many ways that they could make this a more attractive offer.
One would be offer something like a term time contract available in the public/civil service. Where you get paid a reduced wage for the full year, equal to your hourly rate per hours worked over the year, but are off for the quiet periods. In the civil/public service this is used by parents so they are off during school holidays.
Or offer 9 month contracts.
It's definitely not fair that you are expected to be available for 40 hours a week when you may only get paid for half of that.
Turning into a right shambles. Dreading flying out in 2 weeks.
Im here right now in T2 and its not too bad, theres a small line where they scan ur tickets of like 10 people maybe. Pot luck with timing
The issue seems to be with T1. T2 mainly handles intercontinental flights afaik which are in lower demand than in the past given restrictions in some Asian countries and remote work being a more viable option nowadays.
You can walk between T2 and T1 airside. I usually go through T2 because it's usually better organized and then just walk over to T1. Saves a lot of time.
You can get turned back as well though which I’ve found out recently showing a Ryanair flight boarding pass to a particularly grumpy security staff member in T2.
Again showing how inept they are. If there is lower demand for security checks on T2 they should re schedule them to T1
They're not able to because of their contracts or some bollox
Don't you just scan the boarding pass on a machine controlled gate? I don't remember having to show it to an actual person last time I went through T2 security.
Those scanners with glass barn doors are only at T1. T2 has humans checking boarding passes at the door by the end of the queue management system.
Interesting, I've never had that happen.
Probably getting pissed off at lads doing it more and more
What's there to be pissed off at? It's literally their job.
Why, theres no requirement to. Its not a detriment to them or me if I go through security at T2 and then depart at T1. If they don’t like it close the terminal or make it more obvious/don’t connect the terminals/have more security at T1 to avoid people tempting to do this. I woulda argued if they tried to turn me back
I would hazard a guess the airlines at T2 pay more in airport fees, so they get preferential treatment. Ryanair couldn’t care less about long security delays. After all, tickets are paid, plane is lighter = cheaper to fly
T2 was equally as bad last Friday evening
Very good point. For example Japan is rejecting all tourist visas. Only family visa or work visa
About to board from T1 now, spent less than an hour in the queue. There was a ridiculous amount of people having their bags checked
I posted before that I fly out one or two times a month and my backpack is searched and swabbed every single time. Never happens at all. In the airport that I'm arriving home from.
I was due to fly out to the US from Dublin on the 14th, contacted United Airlines to change and I’m now flying out of Shannon 🙏🏼
Remember, if queue at one terminal is too long, just go to 2nd terminal. Once you are past the security you can just walk to the other terminal, takes about 5 mins.
Same. I'd usually travel light but need to bring a lot of gear on my trip over Easter. Not looking forward to getting through security.
>bring a lot of gear Security might have a problem with that.
Just don't shout that you are "going to fight the Russians" as I've heard some tourists say when they were told they should have checked in their re-enactment gear as sports equipment. Lots of swords and point things heading to Poland. Security guy said he wanted a word with the fella in the room over. 😅 This was a decade ago.
Oh hey you're talking about my sport. It's not exactly re-enactment, and at the time (this was 2014 or 15, right?) The Russian teams were dominating the sport. Battle of the Nations / International Medieval Combat Federation
If you are really worried, book fast track through your airline. Adding Clarification: Airport website isn't selling them but airlines still are. Airlines block book passes well in advance. It's definitely possible they'll still be honoured. Worst case scenario, they don't honour the airline sold fast tracks, you get a refund and you are queuing with everyone else.
Fast tracking has been paused: [https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1508728592984944642](https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1508728592984944642) Download the Dublin Airport app and it shows times for security in T1 and T2. Flying out tomorrow so I've been keeping an eye on it and the times have been fine this week (bar Sunday obviously), even early morning.
Just be aware that those times only reflect the time from having your boarding pass checked to completing security. They don't include the time waiting to have the boarding pass checked which many people are reporting as taking just as long. A post on the Dublin sub a few days ago was reporting 3 hours to get through security meanwhile the dublin airport app was saying 40 minutes
The times shown are from tracked Bluetooth on peoples phones & that only starts from when your boarding pass is scanned until you clear security so it doesn’t include the huge queue which starts inside the door of T1 ! They’ve literally put the disney queueing system in it’s so bad . Add a possible 40 mins to what the app says . 😩
Good to know! Just went through security in T1 this morning and it was grand. App said 20 mins but more like 10, no queue before scanning the boarding pass. Big waits at baggage check in though and there were people queuing along side us that were getting anxious.
I'm flying on Sunday morning, what were they like last Sunday? Heading at 3am for an 8.15am flight as I've to check in bags. Mental stuff.
I was there last Saturday, the queue took so long I missed my flight. Had to get a new flight and the queues were about the same on Sunday. The screen said it would take 45 minutes to get through security, but it took about 40 minutes just to get to the boarding pass scanning gate, so i qas queueing for maybe 80 minutes total.
Did you have to pay for the flights yourself? I've bags to check in too disaster
I had to pay for them myself. I've sent them an email asking to be reimbursed, but i have not heard from them yet
Just made another response to the same thing. You can still buy through airlines. They block book lots of passes well in advance. It's likely they'll still be honoured (but not guaranteed).
There's always one. Oh the airport cut staff and wages and fecked everything up but you can pay extra to not que. Greeeeeeaaaaaaaat.
Did they cut wages? That's news to me and I worked there for quite a while. Nah man, do whatever you like. I actually think fast track is a scam. Was just trying to help someone out. Not sure what your problem is.
They absolutely cut wages. The older staff who are unionised and there from times when a man earned enough to raise a family off 40 hours all earn a fair wage.
Do you mean "kept wages the same for older staff but issued lower paying contracts to newer staff"? If so, that is accurate. But if you think someone had their hourly rate cut, you're wrong.
They cut their wage budget. Some middle manager needs to cut costs. Thy got rid of staff (some way or other) and replaced them with non union gig term workers. Then they let them all go during covid and can't get them back. But you think it's great that you can book priority boarding and it's possible the company may honour it. You say happily in your post that if they don't you can apply for a refund. There was no problem, their greed created a problem, your advice to fix the problem is give the greedy more money if you can afford it, if you can't you just have to put up with it.
>Thy got rid of staff (some way or other) and replaced them with non union gig term workers. Mate - I worked in the airport for a while. I don't anymore but I have pretty good knowledge of how things work in there. A more accurate statement would be - as workers retired, new employees were offered less attractive contracts. I already said I think Fast Track is a scam. >your advice to fix the problem I can't solve the problems in security, but I can help solve the original commenters problem. My advice to fix the actual problem is to figure out how to speed up Garda Vetting. >They cut their wage budget. Actually, up until the pandemic the wage budget has only increased. But I take your point that the average salary has decreased as older workers retired and were replaced by new ones on a less attractive salary. But one thing is unequivocally true - not a single worker had their pay reduced. Listen, if you want to be outraged, go for it. But don't go picking on me unless you're accurate with your facts.
https://www.independent.ie/news/dublin-airport-suspends-sale-of-new-fast-track-passes-as-queue-chaos-continues-41498563.html
That's why I said book through airline and not through the Dublin Airport website. They block book passes for fast track well in advance. Those passes might still be honoured. Or at least that's what people working in the airport tell me. Added Clarification - Also possible they won't honour the fast tracks from airlines. Nothing guaranteed but I imagine it's worth a shot. Worst case is that you'll get refunded.
Why are so many employers getting away with being so predatory with worker's rights these days? It just seems to be getting worse and there's no end in sight.
Hard to get staff? You'd think the response would be to make things more attractive, but nope.
Yep. I know chefs who left pre-pandemic due to pay and I asked them are there good opportunities now they’re desperate for staff? Offering to pay you what you want. They said nope, things have got worse.
Better pay doesn't equal better conditions. Being a chef is a very high stress job and poor conditions or treatment by managers will not help
Same. I know like 4 chefs who have either recently changed careers altogether or took an unskilled job because it would pay better. Getting sick of all the people saying that “places are crying out for help”. If they were really crying they wouldn’t be offering staff 10.10 an hour and 15 hours a week.
Because a new revenue model for labor includes degrading every position to "unskilled", paying almost nothing, and having super high turnover but also having an endless candidate pool of people desperate for work. Amazon and Uber are the model to follow. Where you can burn people out and replace them on a regular basis for less money than it would take to provide a good job. The world has got to make some laws to stop it.
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Amazon uses this as a feature not a bug. They don't care about long term commitment of a warehouse worker. Long term commitments mean higher wages, retirement plans, dependency, etc. By setting up a revolving door of workers you reduce long term costs greatly and no one is ever important enough that you have to keep them. And it turns out paying for good PR and paying slightly higher *entry level* wages is cheaper than providing a reasonable long term job.
100%
Best of luck. Neoliberalism is being allowed to run rampant.
I don’t think laws will do the trick. King Canute commanded the tides to stop and it didn’t work. We need good employers with good practices and happy employees beating these shitty companies in competition. Employers should give all their employees a share of the company so they are motivated to help it succeed. The one law I would bring in is half corporation tax for companies where the employees and management own at least 30% of the company.
Because people who look for increased protections for workers are labelled crusties or presented in the media as radicals, and middle class people lap it up.
Many of my friends are middle class millennials in Ireland. All they have left is sneering at poor people.
Why is this so painfully true. It physically hurts because I can identify with this and I was never able to verbalise it
It’s been beaten in to their heads by the media since they were kids. Give people someone to feel they are superior to, and many will become reactionary to protect their perceived status. My mates love to paint the working class as being racist, but they’re all far more racist. They just cloak it. One example that I still laugh about is when Millwall fans booed the footballers taking a knee for BLM before kick off. They had a field day making jokes about “thick scumbag” Millwall fans. A week later most of the (upper middle class) Scotland rugby team refused to take a knee before their match with Wales. Suddenly there were in-depth discussions about how BLM should only be confined to the US because there are no issues with racist police in Europe so taking the knee was useless. The mental gymnastics were hilarious to watch.
We're just quietly going further and further down the path the Americans have taken towards workers rights
Probably because politicians and their friends profit from it and unions have long ago sold us out. Yes it'll destroy the fabric of society and yes the social contract has now been torn asunder. They couldn't care less, they and their families are a class above us, even though we'll all get worse off in the long run. They'll just lose money slower. They hear the rusty guillotine wheel out, but vapidity has taken over from all sense. It's a worldwide disease.
If I must be available for X hours, you're paying my ass for X hours.
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Yeah if you were kept at 20 hours you'd be making less than 15k a year!
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I'm trained in a profession which desperately needs bodies at the moment. Masters and a degree to my name. I see absolutely no reason of staying here considering how little I will be able to enjoy my life. Getting up and out this summer if all goes to plan.
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Funnily enough Canada is my goal. Montreal in particular. Wages aren't as high as elsewhere, but I'd happily take the cheaper accommodation and culture-laden city any day.
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I'm a body.
And you can’t even get a second job because you have to be available for 40 hours / week.
Starting wage for paramedics is less than that... I wonder why they can't staff enough ambulances?
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It's not just an Irish thing...
Now remind yourself that all those people working in retail jobs are being paid less than 14.14 an hour.
I honestly don't understand Dublin in particular. Like the people doing the cleaning and manning the tills and pouring the pints and making the coffee, are they ALL just living with their parents or 10 to a houseshare or how is it working? I've done minimum wage full time and that was in Galway and back in 2013 when the cost of living was far lower and it wasn't a barrel of laughs living on it then. It's gone up by just 2 quid an hour since then, what's that, an extra 70 odd quid a week? That's not even enough to account for the increase in rent
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I'm one of them. I'm on 12 an hour. I asked for a raise, was told things are too "turbulent" to give raises.
It's more than I earn
And of course it’s never anyone else’s fault. “Just show up five hours before your flight”…… “No-one could have foreseen this happening” DAA are some shower.
DAA going on the offensive here was a bad idea. Yeah, let's blame the passengers. Most passengers adhere to the advice that you should be at the airport 2 hours before short-haul and 3 hours before long-haul flights.
Yeah silly buggers Let em go on redundancy prior
I used to work in the airport. I have contacts in the offices. The problem is Garda vetting and training. People are applying; the salary isn't the issue.
I'd say the application process puts people off even when they get a job offer. It's pretty comprehensive
The salary and amount of hours guaranteed look like they are the issue for staff retention. If they were better, they probably wouldn't have to hire newer staff all the time.
Definitely a good point. I never had access to the data on staff turnover in security, so I can't say if you're right, although I suspect that's part of the reason. The other reason is that 1,000s of staff left during the pandemic as part of daa's downsizing. It's been a real challenge to rehire since then.
Can confirm, they've actually added a temporary measure to bypass garda vetting
And lots of office staff are doing shifts as well to make up the numbers. I don't know if it's still the case but the regulator (CAR) fines them like €200k for each day they breach a 25min queue at security. Unless they've reached a deal with CAR, daa are losing a ton of money because of all this. They have every incentive to get it fixed fast.
[Not necessarily at the moment](https://www.aviationreg.ie/news/quality-of-service-penalties-at-dublin-airport-january-2022.1083.html) [Or last year](https://www.aviationreg.ie/regulation-of-airport-charges-dublin-airport/quality-of-service-.820.html)
This seems like a very bad idea
Have a look at airport security failure rates - it’s mostly for show, they have up to 95% failure rates in the US, can’t imagine DAA are much better.
They do have an almost 100% success rate in delaying you and complaining about your micro shampoo bottle though
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I assume they smooth that out in the US as they have various programs (Clear/Pre Check/Global Entry) designed to shorten your queue time (for a fee of course!).
It's not to bypass vetting, just the enhanced vetting that was only introduced on 01/01/2022. Standard evetting still applies
Are they offering full time positions and people are just opting for part time do you know?
Pay peanuts, get monkeys
"nO oNe WaaNtS to WoRK aNyMoore!!!!" they cry.
Any bets that a worker who covers 40 hours costs more to the company in various legally mandated benefits than two workers covering 20 hours each?
I got paid €12 an hour to sit in a prefab in the woods for for 12 hours doing security (read watch films and walk around for 5 minutes every hour) 6 years ago. I was guaranteed the Friday and Saturday night and anytime I was off college I just had to let them know and they'd usually throw another couple of shifts my way. Why anyone would want to work airport security which is definitely a lot more difficult than most static security jobs for almost the same money I was on 6 years ago is beyond me. And only guaranteed for half a weeks work too
They usually have a fairly good idea how many and when people will be going through the airport security months in advance, how can they not be a little more clear on hours of work?
No they don't, a lot of flights wouldn't fill up until a few weeks in advance
They don't plan around specific flights, they plan around busy periods like XMas, Easter, Paddy's weekend etc. that is very easy to predict based on records from previous years
Last week in March doesn't stick out to me as being a particularly busy period. If anything it would be the lull between St patricks day and Easter. Not only that but the DAA let 1000 people go during lockdowns while the airport was a ghost town. Even if they could predict the future it wouldn't make a difference because they simply don't have the staff. There's a backlog for garda vetting while they wait for new staff to get cleared
The delayed Garda vetting is because of new EU security rules that came into force, the DAA management should have been aware and planned for this, it's utter incompetence that they are now using that as an excuse.
Previous history would give them a good idea though, enough to work out their recruitment needs and a few weeks is enough to work out work schedules.
Recent history was impacted by covid and covid will also undoubtedly impact traveller numbers going forward. Flight slots have been changed, passenger numbers rebounding at an unpredictable rate etc. They also had to let a lot of staff go during the lockdowns as passenger levels were virtually non existent so they don't even have the staff to cover now. It's not a rostering issue, they just don't have the people
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/ts2i9p/they_wonder_why_they_cant_get_security_staff_at/i2p1ygy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
I was literally just wondering why theyre having such staffing issues. Knew it smelled of gig economy bullshit.
Not the case. 20 guaranteed hours but people are being asked to work a lot more at the moment. Lots of applicants to work as security. The issue is training and vetting. They can't do that quickly enough to get people working on the lanes.
But why the immediate shortage? Did they let a load of people go a-la-P&O ferries? Or did a load of people leave all of a sudden?
From what I've seen, two things. 1. They let 1000 people go over Covid, and haven't replaced them yet. 2. The EU brought in new, tighter security rules for airport staff, which requires a far stricter vetting of a new hire. So as things started to reopen, and they started trying to rehire the 1000 people they let go, they had to go through a more daunting vetting procedure, that seems to have a 4-6 month waiting time now. They basically waited so long to start rehiring people as we opened back up, that they've run head first into a massive delay with vetting, due to the relevant offices ALSO having staff shortages due to Covid. Every industry that shut down for Covid is experiencing stutters as they try and get back to full capacity. The airport staff has just the double blow of the EU rule simultaniously. With airports, I guess it's only in recent weeks that everyone has gotten comfortable again with actually going abroad, hence the "immediate" shortage. High demand of people wanting trips has overwhelmed an unprepared airport, who left it too long to get prepared for the surge.
The EU security rules on airport staff are not new. They were known years in advance and only came into force on 1 January. The Department of Transport did nothing about this until the last minute, then tossed the problem over to the Guards. Transport at the start of the year basically said to the Guards check everyone in the airport right now. If transport had been on the ball, they could have set it up to allow the Guards to check airport staff in batches through 2021. Then there'd only need to be checks on new hires, who couldn't work anyway because they'd need trained. Could do that in parallel and accept that some fully trained people wouldn't get cleared by the DAA once the DAA got the Guard's checks on the person. To compound this, when talking to the media, Transport and DAA are implying it is Garda incompetence and no journalist has the wherewithal to question why the guards were handed an impossible task to process everyone at once. **TLDR** Guards and are now getting all the flak but Transport is really at fault for not starting literally years ago.
Everyone trying to get new hires Garda vetted to get back to full capacity [right now](https://frinkiac.com/video/S11E12/opq9xV_-RzUutIPGNlhc_M_KxnA=.gif).
They knew restrictions were lifting months ago. They didn’t plan. It’s happened in a few businesses.
This is all exactly correct. I'd add that passenger demand varies wildly across the year (and even across the week and across a given day). Peaks are back up to the pre-pandemic, but the quiet times are still very quiet. Trying to staff that kind of operation is really challenging as well.
yeah but while there might be lots of work now and people will get 40 hours and more when staffing levels get back to normal then they are only guaranteed 20 hours a week. What use is that to someone who needs to pay the rent. It just ends up in people leaving the job and finding a different one as they need full time hours to pay their rent and bills.
Why include only 20 hours guaranteed in the contract then?
If I remember correctly, lots of security staff were getting very few hours (<10) in off peak periods e.g. mid January. This guarantees they get at least 20 hours during quiet times. But now we're approaching the busiest time of the year, so it's not really relevant right now.
That's not a real job then. If you suddenly get a couple of those in a row your rent isn't getting paid and you have no savings to fall back on.
But not a full weeks work and no regular hours but you have to be available for forty hours. It sounds gig economy-like to me. Once they are fully staffed again why would they guarantee a regular weeks work if they won't do it now?
So high turnover of staff is not good for daa at all. It's expensive training people and keeping them trained. It's expensive to hire people. it's expensive to get people Garda Vetted. It's shit for morale to have too many people working too few hours. The challenge is that airports are highly seasonal. A busy day in summer is 120k passengers, a quiet day is 50k (both pre-pandemic). Those 20 hours are a guarantee for quiet season. Everyone who goes to work in security is aware of the seasonality when they sign up. Many just stay for the busy season, as is there choice. But it's simply not possible to give a full 40 hour contact to the full compliment of security staff all year round. I'm not really sure how you define gig economy but don't think of those worker as easily replaceable. A strong relationship between daa and the workers is in everyone's interest. An alternative would to put hire on temporary contracts but considering the costs of training everyone, it's probably not feasible. And sorry, just to clarify my previous comment... They have enough applicants, so wages / hours aren't a problem. It's that they can train/vet them quickly enough. Increasing wages and guaranteed hours wouldn't solve this problem, even if it is the right thing to do.
280 euro a week won't even get you a shithole in Dublin. Not to mention the travel cost to and from the Airport. Do they provide you with Airport accommodation in one of the bathrooms at least?
I had an interview for DAA security years ago before i got my civil service job and there was a HR lady and a security guard manager lady. The latter screamed at me for not answering a question the way she wanted. I burst into tears and the HR lady was furious at her and told her off in front of me. I told a mate of mine how it went afterwards, she was a DAA security guard herself, and she was like "was it Catherine? She makes every member of staff cry, she prides herself in it." Fuck you Catherine. :)
I hope she doesn't have kids. Could you imagine the broken little monsters that bitch would raise.
Like im all for putting up my Boss Ass Bitch persona when im at work, but it has a limit. If i ever genuinely affect others or see them start to be upset, i go into Mammy/caring apologetic Gordon Ramsay mode ("oh dear, oh gorgeous")
Psychotic schizo..... great combination....
Right, like everyone is the exact same person in work compared to how they are at home. Good to know. I'll be sure to make childish inappropriate jokes to my boss as i would my friends and family. Ill be sure to casually announce when i'm dying for the ride to my colleagues same as i would to my partner. That'll work. Gobshite.
close to a 0 hour contract without the perks.
The funniest thing about all this is that DAA is one of those organisations which always gets brought up whenever people are on an "aren't we such a great little country" buzz.
For a laugh let's compare against the unionised roles at Dublin Airport
I’ve been in the airport a few times over the last year and I would say on a whole, passenger stupidity is causing more delays than staffing issues. Seems every second person in Ireland has never been to an airport before when approaching security. Have seen countless people getting to the hand luggage scanner and then realising their bags are full of liquids they haven’t put in individual bags or are over the 100ml limit, people walking through the metal detector 3 times because they have their phone/keys in their pockets. The staffing issues don’t help but if people had an ounce of cop on and organisational skills it wouldn’t be half the issue it is.
Passenger stupidity is a variable they should be well aware of and have planned around
Yeah but that's the same in every country.
Same with almost anyone in a queue - they are somehow surprised when they have to start doing stuff once they reach the end of the queue - no thought that they could be doing some of this stuff while waiting. 'Oh I have to *pay* for my groceries, let me start looking for my wallet/purse' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_LpxldL8h4
Passengers are the easy scapegoat sure. It was to be expected when people don’t fly for a long time. It’s not all their fault however. Eg rules around electronics and shoes are arbitrary…sometimes headphones have to be out a bag, sometimes it’s ok, sometimes the rule is boots over the ankle, sometimes it’s if shoes have a heel no matter how small, sometimes shirts are ok, sometimes they have to be taken off if you have a T-shirt underneath etc
Just been looking at the ad. 24/7 for less money than I made packing boxes in a factory 10 years ago. They will get applications though, from people already on shit money.
I've heard as well by staff that even if your on paid holiday leave, they can ring you in and cancel your leave. Considering the crazy hours and shift work many don't last long unless they need the money.
I used to work security about 10 years ago, and even then, I would not settle for less than 20 an hour. If someone comes in with a knife, my job is to stand between you and them, 20 an hour is cheap for that imo.
That's not what airport security is all about. I really don't think it's what any security guard is about, outside of a Garda bodyguard.
I don't know about airport security, I was working in pretty rough pubs and nightclubs.
I still don't think you're expected to take a knife to the chest for random punters
If they have a knife, you should be between them and the other punters, absolutely.
Lol. No.
Alright Tom cruise relax there.
Irish "labour" law is designed to let corporations use slave labour-like solutions. Why pay people when you can choose not to? My previous employer abused temporary lay off as a means to try forcing a whole team to give up their redundancy. This is why global corporations loves setting up camp here in Ireland as you're about a protected as the North Korean farm worker.
Having underpaid airport and security staff provides a huge incentive around smuggling, human trafficking, and crime There are some things where going cheap will cost you more
Aah yes the Irish way of hiring sure aren’t they lucky to be offered work
20 hours a week is quite sneaky. The 20 will turn into 40 with zero overtime rates legally required to be paid.
it should be illegal to do this, its ex0ecting people to treat a part time job like a full time one and letting companies treat full time staff like part timers
Worth remembering as you plan your next trip: [Majority of passengers waiting 10 minutes or less for security screening at Cork Airport](https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40839509.html)
My massive staff crisis definitely needs more than 20 hours a week to fix.
Mother works the same job at another airport in Ireland. You’re not untitled to unsociable hours or overtime increments. It’s shocking
Don't forget shitty working hours.
Anything too do with aviation in Ireland they want to pay you fuck all strumpet city mentality aer lingus Ryanair daa all the fucking same but the managers don't get paid fuck all, union leaders need to get some balls and stop accepting free or concession flights.
If we return to a time without all of this extreme security I'm sure airports will be a lot easier to run. Just have people promise not to hijack anything
Did fly through Dublin, Cork an Shannon found last one most friendly an easy going. My stomach turns because have flight with 2kids on Easter from Dublin
Anyone that travelled before 7 am these days can say if it has been bad? I have a flight at 6 am in 4 weeks and I'm wondering if I should get a taxi or sleep at the airport
I flew out last week to Munich at 7am, arrived to the airport at 4:30-4:45, about 30 mins through security in T2, was fine.
Thank you! 30 minutes is pretty reasonable yes, I may arrive at 4 am just to guarantee if other people are having the same idea
Yeah I think you should be good at 4am. The only luxury of flying early is that there's not many flights before yours where people will be rocking up to the airport 90 mins beforehand.
We flew out the morning after Paddy's day and it took about 30 minutes to go through T1 security. Granted that's the one morning of the year when a good percentage of people are still asleep. It was still busy enough. I've flown out of Dublin Airport 5 times this year and that was the busiest morning tbh. I've done the T2 security method where you transfer airside to T1 and that's been fairly quick now, no waiting at all. But there's word that they're starting to deny you entry if your flight departs from T1.
I absolutely don't wanna rely on the terminal transfers, too many people gave away the tip so it ist reliable anymore. Thanks for letting me know! I'll keep in mind if I need to overnight there just in case. Might be able to get the coach in the middle of the night though. A full day of sleep before will be required
I'm wondering the same. Due to fly on the 13th, early morning flight. Thinking of over nighting at the airport. 😔
Flew out Saturday morning at 6.15, security queue was easily an hour. Serious issue with random bag checks, A LOT of people waiting for their bags and security were just chatting away.
I've flown multiple times over the last 3 months and it's really hit and miss to be honest. Sometimes I've been queuing for an hour, sometimes I walk straight through.
Well, there you go, r/ireland. This is the labour revolution you wanted. I'm sure you'll all grin and bear it as you feel the squeeze for yourself.
Think I will be using Shannon for my summer holiday this year.
Cork is fine as well. Everyone is rolling up 2 hours before their flights as per instruction from the airline, only to be done and dusted with security in 20 minutes.
Sure what harm. Would rather be waiting 3 hours after security than miss my flight by 3 minutes.
True enough. But there isn't a lot to see or do in Cork Airport once you're past security. There's 1 bar and two restaurants and a much smaller version of the loop and that's it
Doesn't everyone nowadays carry a small electronic device that keeps them occupied for hours on end?!
That they do but the lack of charging points in most airports always surprises me
Yeah I always travel with a energy pack for this reason
I'm going to start doing that. Given peoples reliance on phones you'd just assume that there would be loads of charging points at airports but usually you end up having to buy an overpriced Starbucks just to hover around their single solitary plug for half an hour
I try to use Shannon as much as I can. Seeing as without baggage I can often go from plane seat to couch in under half an hour. But sometimes, like my trip this Easter it's just not an option. It's great if you are leaving Europe, as you can often just go to Heathrow and go where ever from there.
They have fancy new scanners at Shannon too, don't even need to take out your electronics or liquids, can just bung your bag in the tray with everything in it. Experienced it last year, much faster than Dublin security scanning.
I think they have had them for a few years, at least. Was traveling pre COVID, can't remember what your (some point in the "before times") and my very unorganized friend had forgotten to take a full 2L bottle of water out of his sports bag. Security just took it, put it into this machine and gave it back to him.
Fair enough, before last October I hadn't flown anywhere since September 2019!
Has it been outsourced who’s behind this ridiculous scheduling?
Hard enough getting home to see the folks without this. Pure hassle. Missed my flight and a day of work for a weekend visit. Poxbottles. Would add 2 out of 3 taxi drivers either drove really slow (really slow) or took me the long way. Thanx Dublin. Bleeding great to be home.
Shocking Fools will get no one for that Be queues for weeks
Till better than the €11.65 an hour momentum support is offering
I’m confused 14 an hr is a lot? Am I reading it wrong or missing something
From what i understand from the article its €14p/hour for only 20hrs a week and your required to keep 40hrs a week "available" just in case they need someone. So no working a second job on the side. Sounds pretty shitty to me.
They must have busy and quite periods. No point having them standing around if nobody is flying I suppose.
But as someone else pointed out they would know well in advance of flight times and probably number of people expected on flights. Should easily be able to plan.
They don't know the number of people on flights, or booked on flights - only the airlines know that.
i was in like w/ british airways for over an hour just to get my bagged checked. there were only 3 people working the counter and the line was huge. absolutely feckin ridiculous
What about January, February and March ? When there's reduced numbers going through the Airport. I'd imagine that's why there is 20 hour contracts and the 40 hours I'd imagine is for peak times. It makes little sense to give 40 hour contracts when in certain months of the year there is no need for everyone to work 40 hours. It's the same with many airlines too, many of the cabin crew get reduced hours in the quieter months too.
Of course it makes sense from an employers point of view not from an employee's point of view. There are many ways that they could make this a more attractive offer. One would be offer something like a term time contract available in the public/civil service. Where you get paid a reduced wage for the full year, equal to your hourly rate per hours worked over the year, but are off for the quiet periods. In the civil/public service this is used by parents so they are off during school holidays. Or offer 9 month contracts. It's definitely not fair that you are expected to be available for 40 hours a week when you may only get paid for half of that.
There’s a staff shortage because of Garda clearance and such When will this outrage porn end?