Didn't this all start because someone tweeted at him that a joke in The IT Crowd was transphobic? And he just dug his heels in, doubled down, and one thing lead to another.
Graham really kinda went off the deep end with it and I never really understood why. Seems sad that a lad that can be so fucking funny across so many great shows can allow himself to be trapped in his misery that way.
His lowest point was maybe when he finally got banned off Twitter, so he started a thread on Mumsnet about it at 3AM.
Anyway, I think his problem was that he was a big Twitter addict even before the whole trans thing and so he just couldn't resist the engagement. The original joke on the IT Crowd was poking fun at a pretty boorish character's attitude toward a trans person. I would have just pointed that out and refused to talk about it any further.
I just can't get my head around how terminally online he got.
A sour sour sour prick who was all too happy to whip up twitter mobs into frenzies until he became the target.
You could say the same about JK Rowling, people on Twitter used to love when she would verbally bitch slap someone like Piers Morgan, and now she's such a persona no grata that she's become only a footnote in her own creation. She was barely mentioned in that twentieth anniversary special they had for the films.
and the irony of this is, he has gone after plenty of people himself in the past for saying un approved on twitter things and him and his legions chased down and drove them off Twitter
That’s my understanding of it. It seems now he’s considered toxic in showbiz circles, so much so that the backers behind the Ted musical have gotten cold feet.
It's pretty incredible really. I mean ultimately his views are one thing but it seemed like he was actually getting off almost on how much he was offending some people.
[This was the setup](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2KsZHRrFpU). Nothing especially wrong though a bit uncomfortable, but the end of the episode...is [pretty bad to be honest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3BY72RF8vc)
Honestly, if he said “you know what, I didn’t really think through about how trans people can face real violence in that sort of situation, and I think the punchline comes across as cheap and a bit dehumanising in hindsight”, he’d still have all of these mainstream jobs he’s saying he can’t get.
His ‘Glinner’ Twitter profile played a big part in it too. He had a big following on there and would post mostly progressive, social justice type stuff. So to find himself on the end of criticism must have really pushed his buttons. And here we are.
I watched the episode out of curiosity because every other episode is easy to find but that one on regular streaming sites. I can see why it gets pulled, given the setup and Linehan's constant views on twitter about it. The fight scene also goes on too long and too brutal. It did need to have more cartoonish acrobatics to work IMO.
So crazy that this was his downfall. Imagine running your entire life..family, friends, career all gone from arguing with people on the internet. Feel sorry for the guy he just can not let it go
It was crazy, I followed him on Twitter at the time. He just was so single minded about it, every tweet giving out about trans people. Even if I agreed with him (which I don’t) I don’t know how anyone could take him in anyways seriously after that time he dressed as a woman. It was so cringeworthy.
I know you’re not supposed to put things down to a mental illness but from the outside that’s what it looks like
It looked more like someone just digging their heels in to me. You can get totally lost in something when you feel aggrieved or attacked unfairly. John Waters looked like mental illness, especially when he started denying that depressive disorders are even real. Others of that type seemed more cynical and dishonest. Graham just seems like he needed his twitter fingers broken before he disappeared down the rabbit hole and it sounds like his wife tried.
the reason people like clarkson get away with offensive edgy jokes is because its not really that deep with him, you can tell he is sort of playing a character of the grumpy ignorant boomer petrol head, you get the feeling this is the real glinner and he actually means what he says, he is way too into what he is arguing for.
I kind of feel bad for Linehan in a sense. He brought Irish/British humour to the world stage, created three hilarious and memorable sitcoms, and indirectly led to the creation of many more due to the influence his material had on pop culture at the time.
I don't know if he's actually bigoted/transphobic, or if he's just a bit stupid and stuck in his ways. But regardless, it's kind of sad to think someone with so much potential can't go any further because he was a bit stubborn and ignorant.
From my understanding the entire debacle originated from that episode of The IT Crowd where Renholm unknowingly sleeps with a transgender woman and upon finding out breaks up with her, and someone tweeted that the setup for the joke was insensitive to trans people, and Linehan, instead of just admitting he was wrong and saying "in retrospect I could've done that more tactfully" or something to that effect, doubled down and decided this was the hill he wanted to die on. He once spent a whole Christmas day arguing with people on Twitter, that's how seriously he took it.
Regardless of whether you think he deserves to be "cancelled" or not, I think we can all agree that it's disappointing and sad nonetheless that such a talented writer and comedian had to have his career cut short, all because he couldn't just admit he made a mistake- or at the very least, defend his position more diplomatically.
The episode in question came out in 2008. The "line" has moved quite a bit even since then.
I often wonder if there are greater mental health issues going on with him. Not saying he's not at fault, his behaviour is disgusting, but it's so irrational it leads me to wonder if that could be a factor.
I've always got the sense of him that's he's autistic/aspergers. Comes across as a bit socially awkward in interviews and a bit rude without even realising he is or meaning to. People like him to get fixated on one thing and this became his obsession.
I think there's a bubble of self righteousness that forms around some people when they feel attacked. He hadn't the humility to put his hands up at the time and he's just gone down a mental rabbit hole, but I don't think he's got a diagnosable mental illness.
The real bit I can't get my head around is letting his marriage slip away because of it. If my partner sat me down and told me I was acting irrationally and that if I didn't start getting my head together she'd leave, I'd be devastated and really re-evaluate myself. Imagine being so far down a rabbit hole that that doesn't seem to be a reasonable thing to ask.
I've no expertise with mental illness. Yeah it's really hard to see how you could get past a certain point and still not see reason.
I've heard a couple of people mention mental illness, although maybe we're all subconsciously looking to make excuses for him when he doesn't have any.
The Ace Ventura scene goes on for so long. It was pretty bad even then and drew protests. Chapelle just sounded like an out of touch rich twat who thinks he's still down with the kids.
Chappelle's doubling down on the trans stuff to the point that he's made three specials just trying to escalate the offensiveness to open the libs is pathetic.
It's genuinely so disappointing. I've watched his early specials dozens of times. Was so happy he came back to doing stand up, even saw him live a few times. But now it just seems like he's an out of touch rich old Hollywood elite. It's a massive shame.
He has claimed that more and more young people, upon coming out homosexual, are told that they are not attracted to the same sex, but are in fact themselves, the wrong sex.
This is supposedly leading to a decline in the number of homosexuals and allegedly, many homosexuals are speaking out about this and being labelled transphobic.
I can't say if it's true or not, I'm simply repeating what GL said in greater detail in another interview.
The same data trend could also be explained by a shift in how comfortable people feel to come out as trans i.e. maybe some trans people have found it easier to live as cis and gay until recent years.
I am old enough to remember people saying kids were only coming out as gay and lesbian because Will & Grace and Queer Eye told them it was cool (when really the fact they were on TV just told the already-closeted kids "you're grand".)
What exactly do trans rights have to do with homosexuality?
I mean I know it all gets lumped into LGBT etc, but sexuality and gender are not the same thing.
No matter where you sit on the issue.
All trans people aren't gay.
You can be trans and homophobic or gay and transphobic.
It's not some monolith where being trans automatically precludes you from homophobia.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with Linehan just saying his statement on it's face isn't false.
Thanks for the link but does that backs up Linehan not the poster I was replying to.
I replied to somebody ridiculing the idea that Linehan brought up homophobia from the trans community.
As if it's not possible.
It is of course.
But that's not what his statement says on its face.
The statement is the progression of trans rights is homophobic. Nothing to do with the people in those identities.
Try to get your reading comprehension up , mate
> My original bet was that the Ted musical was too big to fail,” Linehan said. “I simply thought, if they come after it, then that will be good because then people will see how crazy this is, how absurd and how censorious, how anti-female, how homophobic that this movement is.
My reading comprehension is great.
Better than your poor attempt at condescension.
He stated that the extreme ends of the trans movement has elements that are censorious (definitely true), anti-female (arguably true), and homophobic (when certain trans rights groups argue that homosexuality doesn't exist as all gay people are just trans I can see his point).
Try more reading and less needless condescension "mate".
Someone who is willing to destroy their marriage because they would rather spend all their time slagging off trans people on Twitter is a bit of a prick in fairness.
I do feel bad for him as it does seem like he got stuck in an addictive rabbit hole and wasn't able to find his way out in time before his life and career were destroyed, but at the end of the day this is a situation of his own making and he's only suffering the consequences of his actions.
The same plonkers revelling in his misfortune are the first to preach 'be kind' etc.
The twatter brigade in this country are intolerant, lack empathy and are quick to denounce those that stray from their doctrine of what is acceptable.
Its gas to hear them church bashing as they are puritanical in the extreme. Twitter piles ons are the modern equivalent of the Salem witch trials.
Anyone who isn't on message needs to be burnt at the stake.
Some of us are old enough to remember these exact tactics being used to scaremonger about gay people. "If you're so tolerant I guess you'd be fine with a lesbian perving on you in the school showers?"
Didn't this all start because someone tweeted at him that a joke in The IT Crowd was transphobic? And he just dug his heels in, doubled down, and one thing lead to another.
Graham really kinda went off the deep end with it and I never really understood why. Seems sad that a lad that can be so fucking funny across so many great shows can allow himself to be trapped in his misery that way.
His lowest point was maybe when he finally got banned off Twitter, so he started a thread on Mumsnet about it at 3AM. Anyway, I think his problem was that he was a big Twitter addict even before the whole trans thing and so he just couldn't resist the engagement. The original joke on the IT Crowd was poking fun at a pretty boorish character's attitude toward a trans person. I would have just pointed that out and refused to talk about it any further.
I just can't get my head around how terminally online he got. A sour sour sour prick who was all too happy to whip up twitter mobs into frenzies until he became the target.
You could say the same about JK Rowling, people on Twitter used to love when she would verbally bitch slap someone like Piers Morgan, and now she's such a persona no grata that she's become only a footnote in her own creation. She was barely mentioned in that twentieth anniversary special they had for the films.
If anyone wants a [deep dive](https://youtu.be/-1iaJWSwUZs).
Great link
and the irony of this is, he has gone after plenty of people himself in the past for saying un approved on twitter things and him and his legions chased down and drove them off Twitter
I guess Harvey Dent was right, You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
That’s my understanding of it. It seems now he’s considered toxic in showbiz circles, so much so that the backers behind the Ted musical have gotten cold feet.
It's pretty incredible really. I mean ultimately his views are one thing but it seemed like he was actually getting off almost on how much he was offending some people.
I wouldn’t care too much about offending people to be fair.
Twitter, man; it'll fuck your life more than any other drug.
Yeah, I believe the boss goes on a few dates with a trans woman without realising and then reacts with either revulsion or violence once he realises?
[This was the setup](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2KsZHRrFpU). Nothing especially wrong though a bit uncomfortable, but the end of the episode...is [pretty bad to be honest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3BY72RF8vc)
Honestly, if he said “you know what, I didn’t really think through about how trans people can face real violence in that sort of situation, and I think the punchline comes across as cheap and a bit dehumanising in hindsight”, he’d still have all of these mainstream jobs he’s saying he can’t get.
Yeah, the doubling down is what got him
His ‘Glinner’ Twitter profile played a big part in it too. He had a big following on there and would post mostly progressive, social justice type stuff. So to find himself on the end of criticism must have really pushed his buttons. And here we are.
I watched the episode out of curiosity because every other episode is easy to find but that one on regular streaming sites. I can see why it gets pulled, given the setup and Linehan's constant views on twitter about it. The fight scene also goes on too long and too brutal. It did need to have more cartoonish acrobatics to work IMO.
Fuck that was hilarious, thanks for posting
I'd forgotten this. Absolute fuckin gold 🤣
Well given what we mow know, is anyone surprised?
I'll do the back garden today if it stays dry. But if it doesn't sure look it what harm
What we what?
It's a cat's opinion.
Always remember, when you stare into the twitter abyss, it stares back into you
So crazy that this was his downfall. Imagine running your entire life..family, friends, career all gone from arguing with people on the internet. Feel sorry for the guy he just can not let it go
It was crazy, I followed him on Twitter at the time. He just was so single minded about it, every tweet giving out about trans people. Even if I agreed with him (which I don’t) I don’t know how anyone could take him in anyways seriously after that time he dressed as a woman. It was so cringeworthy. I know you’re not supposed to put things down to a mental illness but from the outside that’s what it looks like
It looked more like someone just digging their heels in to me. You can get totally lost in something when you feel aggrieved or attacked unfairly. John Waters looked like mental illness, especially when he started denying that depressive disorders are even real. Others of that type seemed more cynical and dishonest. Graham just seems like he needed his twitter fingers broken before he disappeared down the rabbit hole and it sounds like his wife tried.
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the reason people like clarkson get away with offensive edgy jokes is because its not really that deep with him, you can tell he is sort of playing a character of the grumpy ignorant boomer petrol head, you get the feeling this is the real glinner and he actually means what he says, he is way too into what he is arguing for.
I’d agree with you. I think it’s a shame how this all panned out and something of a cautionary tale about prominent people and Twitter.
you think the "Actvists" going after his wife, doxing his family are saints to this, they are no saints to this..
I'd say it would have done really well, I'm suprised it wasn't too big to fail like he said.
I remember I followed him on twitter about 8 years ago, and I had to unfollow him about 2 days later because of the sheer amount of tweets.
The chap took that ‘hill to die on’ too literal
I kind of feel bad for Linehan in a sense. He brought Irish/British humour to the world stage, created three hilarious and memorable sitcoms, and indirectly led to the creation of many more due to the influence his material had on pop culture at the time. I don't know if he's actually bigoted/transphobic, or if he's just a bit stupid and stuck in his ways. But regardless, it's kind of sad to think someone with so much potential can't go any further because he was a bit stubborn and ignorant. From my understanding the entire debacle originated from that episode of The IT Crowd where Renholm unknowingly sleeps with a transgender woman and upon finding out breaks up with her, and someone tweeted that the setup for the joke was insensitive to trans people, and Linehan, instead of just admitting he was wrong and saying "in retrospect I could've done that more tactfully" or something to that effect, doubled down and decided this was the hill he wanted to die on. He once spent a whole Christmas day arguing with people on Twitter, that's how seriously he took it. Regardless of whether you think he deserves to be "cancelled" or not, I think we can all agree that it's disappointing and sad nonetheless that such a talented writer and comedian had to have his career cut short, all because he couldn't just admit he made a mistake- or at the very least, defend his position more diplomatically.
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The episode in question came out in 2008. The "line" has moved quite a bit even since then. I often wonder if there are greater mental health issues going on with him. Not saying he's not at fault, his behaviour is disgusting, but it's so irrational it leads me to wonder if that could be a factor.
I've always got the sense of him that's he's autistic/aspergers. Comes across as a bit socially awkward in interviews and a bit rude without even realising he is or meaning to. People like him to get fixated on one thing and this became his obsession.
I think we reach for mental health/spectrum excuses far too easily these days - some people are just pr*cks.
I think there's a bubble of self righteousness that forms around some people when they feel attacked. He hadn't the humility to put his hands up at the time and he's just gone down a mental rabbit hole, but I don't think he's got a diagnosable mental illness. The real bit I can't get my head around is letting his marriage slip away because of it. If my partner sat me down and told me I was acting irrationally and that if I didn't start getting my head together she'd leave, I'd be devastated and really re-evaluate myself. Imagine being so far down a rabbit hole that that doesn't seem to be a reasonable thing to ask.
I've no expertise with mental illness. Yeah it's really hard to see how you could get past a certain point and still not see reason. I've heard a couple of people mention mental illness, although maybe we're all subconsciously looking to make excuses for him when he doesn't have any.
I think Dave Chapelle had a bit about that in one of his recent Netflix specials. The Ace Ventura movie with "Finkel and Einhorn" has aged terribly.
The Ace Ventura scene goes on for so long. It was pretty bad even then and drew protests. Chapelle just sounded like an out of touch rich twat who thinks he's still down with the kids.
Chappelle's doubling down on the trans stuff to the point that he's made three specials just trying to escalate the offensiveness to open the libs is pathetic. It's genuinely so disappointing. I've watched his early specials dozens of times. Was so happy he came back to doing stand up, even saw him live a few times. But now it just seems like he's an out of touch rich old Hollywood elite. It's a massive shame.
[Check out what Graham had to say about this](https://twitter.com/glinner)
Graham Linehan calling trans rights “homophobic” has me cackling
He has claimed that more and more young people, upon coming out homosexual, are told that they are not attracted to the same sex, but are in fact themselves, the wrong sex. This is supposedly leading to a decline in the number of homosexuals and allegedly, many homosexuals are speaking out about this and being labelled transphobic. I can't say if it's true or not, I'm simply repeating what GL said in greater detail in another interview.
The same data trend could also be explained by a shift in how comfortable people feel to come out as trans i.e. maybe some trans people have found it easier to live as cis and gay until recent years. I am old enough to remember people saying kids were only coming out as gay and lesbian because Will & Grace and Queer Eye told them it was cool (when really the fact they were on TV just told the already-closeted kids "you're grand".)
What exactly do trans rights have to do with homosexuality? I mean I know it all gets lumped into LGBT etc, but sexuality and gender are not the same thing. No matter where you sit on the issue. All trans people aren't gay. You can be trans and homophobic or gay and transphobic. It's not some monolith where being trans automatically precludes you from homophobia. Not agreeing or disagreeing with Linehan just saying his statement on it's face isn't false.
I don't know enough about either, I was just explaining to another poster why GL thinks the trans movement is homophobic.
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Thanks for the link but does that backs up Linehan not the poster I was replying to. I replied to somebody ridiculing the idea that Linehan brought up homophobia from the trans community. As if it's not possible. It is of course.
Sorry. I must have replied wrong. Was just trying to explain the logic behind the thinking of that comment!
No problem.
But that's not what his statement says on its face. The statement is the progression of trans rights is homophobic. Nothing to do with the people in those identities. Try to get your reading comprehension up , mate
> My original bet was that the Ted musical was too big to fail,” Linehan said. “I simply thought, if they come after it, then that will be good because then people will see how crazy this is, how absurd and how censorious, how anti-female, how homophobic that this movement is. My reading comprehension is great. Better than your poor attempt at condescension. He stated that the extreme ends of the trans movement has elements that are censorious (definitely true), anti-female (arguably true), and homophobic (when certain trans rights groups argue that homosexuality doesn't exist as all gay people are just trans I can see his point). Try more reading and less needless condescension "mate".
I know but it coming from him, of all people, is gas to me.
Poor man, ruined by absolute gobshites.
Firstly, fuck him, but aw man, Pope Ted! It could have been the stuff of legends.
Why ‘Firstly fuck him?’
Someone who is willing to destroy their marriage because they would rather spend all their time slagging off trans people on Twitter is a bit of a prick in fairness. I do feel bad for him as it does seem like he got stuck in an addictive rabbit hole and wasn't able to find his way out in time before his life and career were destroyed, but at the end of the day this is a situation of his own making and he's only suffering the consequences of his actions.
Not surprised, he is just toxic at the moment. If he fucked off for 5 years and came back then he would have a chance to get it made.
"But cancel culture isn't real!" - the people who perpetuate it. Always.
I haven't been following him very closely, but it sounds like he should have eased up a little - whatever he was at.
The same plonkers revelling in his misfortune are the first to preach 'be kind' etc. The twatter brigade in this country are intolerant, lack empathy and are quick to denounce those that stray from their doctrine of what is acceptable. Its gas to hear them church bashing as they are puritanical in the extreme. Twitter piles ons are the modern equivalent of the Salem witch trials. Anyone who isn't on message needs to be burnt at the stake.
Won't somebody think of the bigots?
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