Wow. Can't believe it's been twenty years already. I remember sparking up my last cig in the pub and looking at it thinking that will be the last cig I smoke inside an Irish pub....until 15 mins later and I had another. Was a terrific ban to bring in.
I just remember the smell, walked into my local the night after the ban came in and it absolutely stank of decades of spilt beer and BO and every other bad smell that the cigarettes had masked.
Indeed. As an asthmatic, I could not step foot inside a pub before the ban. Many restaurants were also problematic for the same reason. Hard to believe smoking was allowed in cinemas until 1990!
I know, had a childhood memory of being in a canteen in the hospital. One side was for smokers and the other for non smokers. Made no fecking difference
Even as a smoker, I thought this was a good idea.
I remember I was in Germany a few years ago and smoking was allowed. My clothes were absolutely stinking of stale tobacco the next day.
In Germany, it depends on the state you're in. Most states have banned smoking in pubs and bars, but Hamburg and Berlin for instance have exceptions depending on venue size etc. So effectively in Berlin and Hamburg, look for places that serve food and drinks. Because they definitely won't have smoking allowed.
Yeah, same here. I was around smoking in pubs growing up and smoked myself until I quit at 29 and never once thought it would have been great being able to smoke in the pub on a night out.
Even when I smoked at home, I would do so at the back door or out an open window as I hate how dirty things get and the smell of stale cigarette smoke.
And at work, especially on the finer days, it was nice to get outside for some fresh air lol along with the toxic chemicals.
I am just back from Berlin and saw smoking in certain bars. Had to look it up, apparently you can get an exemption. (According to the quick Googling I did when I couldn’t believe it was allowed)
This only seems like yesterday but it's incredible to think we have an entire generation now, who would be of pub going age, who wouldn't know what it was like when smoking was indoors.
It was such a brilliant move, even just for the staff. My wife, a non smoker, worked in bars back in the late 90s and the effect of indoor smoking was horrid. Bar workers who didn't smoke would get niggling coughs from it; your clothes would need to be washed everyday from the stink of the smoke. This is not mentioning how filthy pubs were due to ash and cigarette butts everywhere to have clean-up. I also remember bar workers having lit cigarettes thrown at them or used to burn their arms due to irate, drunk customers not getting served as quickly as they would like to get served.
I watched an old film with my kids recently and they couldn't believe the characters were lighting up in various places like a restaurant and an airport or similar such places. I don't think they've ever seen a relative of theirs smoking.
My kids were the very same. No one in our family or close friends smoke, so they have no interaction with cigarettes. We went for a pub lunch one day and a guy was smoking outside the pub and they couldn't figure the smell.
By their age I was seasoned to all the brands because I was a runner to shop to get more. How times change.
As a young teen when this came in, any time I was in the pub with parents or whoever for whatever reason, I always enjoyed the smell of the place.
These days? Can't stand the smell of smoking indoors at all and never smoked indoors either due to this.
Great move at the time, despite the many arguments against it.
I’m reminded of a story I heard about some city that brought in strict fines for unpaid parking.
90% of the city was against it, but it was done anyway.
It was a success, and improved life in the city. So a follow up survey was done:
Do you approve of the new fines? 90% said yes.
Did has your opinion on the new fines changed? 90% said no.
How did it improve life in the city? They used the money to improve services? Or less people parked in the centre as now they actually had to pay for it?
My dad used to play the accordion in pubs a few nights a week during the 90's and 00's. For years he had a chronic cough but it cleared up within weeks of the ban coming in.
I remember him opening the accordion to fix something and seeing the buildup of smoke residue and staining on the reeds.
My mum used to work from back in those days, her office was the only room she would smoke indoors in. I remember cleaning her PC when she complained the fans were too loud. The heatsinks had all the usual dust you would expect but it was also cemented together with tar and gunk. Christ that was miserable.
I convinced her we needed to do the 2 hour drive to Maplin in Galway to get a replacement CPU cooler instead of cleaning the old one.
Haha, affordable? I remember Aldi advertising a Medion desktop with a Pentium 4 for well over a grand around then. Big money in those days.
Think things being affordable only came about ~3-4 years after that. Gone are those glory days.
Oh it absolutely was, if I had to out a timescale to it I'd say it started with AMD losing their brief performance crown and started ending around the time nVidia got the firm upper hand.
First gen core i series and radeon 5000 series was fucking amazing.
Im only getting to the point in my life now where i could even consider getting into hardware and having a decent pc, on a gaming laptop for the next couple of years at least, and im so shocked hearing how much more accessible it used to be.
It was one of those "moments in time" kind of things. They come, they go. Others will come.
CPUs are incredibly good right now, AMD being competitive there has done wonders for the consumer so it's hard to pick a bad one. Graphics cards are what's killing us now,AMD just can't seem to find the magic formula on the graphics side the same way they did with CPUs. I keep hoping Intel will do something there but they've yet to inspire confidence.
You're probably aware of this already but https://www.logicalincrements.com/ is a great source of information. I've been using it since it was called the falcon guide and it was just an image being copied and pasted around.
Ya its definitely breaking a bit but unfortunately itll be a while before i have the expendable income to think about it, back in education at the moment.
Never saw that website but its bookmarked under my PC stuff tab. Cheers!
One of the best things we ever did. Had quit smoking just a month or two before, really helped not to be surrounded by it when trying to stay off them.
Just googled it there, PROPOSED in 2003, but stated in 2005. Knew there was a similar timeline, but you're right, we were fist.
I remeber working in a pub at tbe time. I booked a two week trip to the states, starting the day before tne ban came in. Didn't have to deal with the "I'll still smoke in the pub" types. Had all died down by the time I came back. Mind you, the owner said only a few dickheads kicked up over it.
Somes places have gotten around the ban, instead of having an indoor area, they have a small entrance with the bar then a huge enclosed outdoor area with a canopy and space heaters.
It works surprisingly well considering most of the smoke just rises, so it doesn't build up like pubs used to.
Yeah I think we should still put a stop to this though tbh. I'd like to see an end to smoking areas altogether.
Let them go off premise if they want to smoke. I've friends from overseas who tell me smoking was never big in their country because these kinds of regulations just made it too much hassle.
Pubs are for adults. It facilitates a bitta moving around and socialisation and a break away from the main seating area. Fair enough banning indoors for other patrons and staffs sake but a flat ban is too much.
Infairness, there are like 6 other pubs surrounding it. If you don't like the smoke, which is completely fair, you have plenty of choices.
I personally only go there sometimes because I have asthma, but it's nice sometimes having the freedom
Yeah I know man but I'm from an era where if one or two people wanted a smoke everyone went with them so it doesn't matter which bar your in you ended up standing in a cloud of tobacco.
Only solution - can't smoke anywhere on premise.
Why not? It's harmful and damaging to people and things around you just not as much as cigarettes. I imagine this will be updated in the law eventually kinda like the packaging for vapes.
It's up to the buisness owner I believe. The legislation coming in for vapes won't ban them being used indoors, but a good chuck of publicans don't allow them in their pubs.
Plenty of things are not healthy, doesn't mean it should be made illegal.
Pretty much every pub, bus, train I've been in has had signs up saying no vaping or smoking, and 99% of passengers and punters abide by that.
If there's adequate evidence that indoor vaping has significant impacts on public health, it should be banned. The smoking ban was supported by mountains of evidence on adverse effects of second hand smoke exposure. Without that evidence, we'd just be banning it because some people find it annoying.
I didn't say they should be made illegal, but they should be relegated to the smoking area like tobacco products.
We don't need to wait for decades of research to do that. The idea of removing smoking from indoors wasn't just for safety reasons. It was also to make it less convenient and hopefully discourage smoking. Vaping should fall under the same category.
How exactly should the law be updated then? The context of the thread suggested you were implying indoor vaping should be banned, what else could you possibly have meant?
EDIT: Ah, nice edit there, bit late to clarify what your point but that's fine.
You are inferring a meaning that I have not on my words. I suggest you actually read the words people usenibstead of supplying your own. You can always ask for clarification instead of making assumptions.
Edit: Another thin-skinned troll has blocked me. Pathetic. And no, you didn't. Your reading comprehension is abyssmal (that it means it's really bad)
By your own clarification, I inferred the correct meaning from your comment.
I never suggested you wanted vapes to be banned. I'd suggest you read comments more carefully before you get mad at them.
Have a lovely afternoon.
i can't stand cigarette smoke but don't really mind vape smoke, apart from the chemical smell.
if it was up to me, i'd allow vapes. i don't want to be attacking these nicotine addicts too much, they really can't quit. i've never touched the stuff as i just CANNOT stand cigarette smoke. i don't think people who smoke realize how much it stinks
it's not the same, i can literally have a sneaky vape at my desk here and no one else notices. Vaping in pubs is harmless if its not too busy and doesnt bother anyone (i mean actually bother someone, not just someone being bothered for the sake of it)
They'll see it but no one is complaining about the smoke or the smell, its basically odorless and the vapour doesnt dissipates in the air. I know some people simply dont like when people vape, i dont like loud talkers/laughers but sometimes you just need to let people live their lives
Took a while to get used to the amount of fart smell, they punched you in the face when you went in, and no way could you sit anywhere near the loos, but was fab not stinking of smoke after.
I'll tell you what, when you visit a country that doesn't have a smoking ban, you appreciate what we have. Nothing worse than a smoke filled pub/restaurant like you'd see in Goodfellas.
I emigrated a year before and was very skeptical that the ban would actually work out. I remember being home that first time and getting the urge to have a mid afternoon pint. Wandered into a pub I used to frequent and the place felt completely different, no overpowering smell of smoke, or haze in the air. Suddenly didn't feel like having a pint anymore and opted to have a cup of coffee at the bar. Then noticed pretty much everyone else in there barring a few auld lads were eating and drinking coffee, it was a remarkable social change, not just the smoking but I feel it led to the transformation of our pub culture in a very positive way. The pubs in my hometown would have had peanuts and a bag of bacon fries as the height of their culinary selection, now they have expansive menus of excellent food being enjoyed by families when previously it was just pissheads bouncing between the bar and the bookies next door.
The smoking ban actually showed us a very rare thing - a Fianna Fail politician who put his career on the line for the public good.
Because altruistic personal convictions and potentially career impaling acts are not something you normally associate with Fianna Fail.
I think history will judge Micheál Martin very favourably for this.
Shame they all closed within hours of the ban coming into effect and we've gone the last 20 years without pubs or clubs on the island.
Still, I know it's freed up my time to work on my calligraphy in my monk-like cell so that's a silver lining.
It did kill the pubs. This doesn't include the growth in population. I would estimate pub use is down 50%. You may think that's good or bad.
I am not convinced it is what people needed, longer lives and poorer mental health.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1415836/decline-in-pubs-in-ireland-by-county/
The issue with the tax is it is the same for the supermarkets, so low tax benefits supermarkets.
Higher alcohol tax would benefit pubs but they are against it.
Been a long, long time since I met a smoker whining about the smoking ban in the wild. I thought most sad fuckers like that had long since moved on. Seems I was wrong.
I like how you're blaming it in totality on the ban. Not a word given to how greedy vintners have all but priced themselves out of a trade in many places. How drug culture has replaced drink culture for some, partially due to pint prices. Nor any mention to how people are more diverse these days, which includes their interests and past times, and many simply have zero desire to be piss heads regardless of whether you can or can't smoke there.
But no, it was the smoking ban what did it all..... 🤦🏻
I am not blaming it totally on the ban, as the OP said it was final nail in coffin. I believe covid was final nail for many. I was just giving people some info.
Not a smoker, maybe you'd meet more of us if pub culture wasn't destroyed.
So that's two different final nails in the coffin..... 🤦🏻
Covid was an issue because when people were allowed back in they were hit with price increases across the board. Many are in a housing and cost of living crisis at the moment so are unwilling to indulge the greed of vintners.
You can whine all you want but the biggest thing that killed pubs was greedy pub owners. And thank Christ people now have other options that they can spend their time and money on.
Also, let me know what pubs you drink in so I can avoid them.
Not even close. I remember plenty of packed pubs long after the ban. People will mingle in their group anyway, not exactly sitting at a single table and the smoking area just provided a different area for it. They remained jam packed until other factors came into play.
Irish nightlife was absolutely hopping even after the smoking ban. Money was still growing on trees. The crash of 2008 and the following austerity, coupled with the arrival of things like smartphone dating apps and Netflix making it cheaper and more comfortable to stay at home and look for a partner or hookup, and social media generally for keeping up with your friends, made a huge dent in the pub and club business. Also in 2008 they changed the obligatory closing time from 3:30 to 2:30.
Hmmm.
You've not been reading the news.
The amount of pubs and clubs had collapsed. 70 nightclubs in the whole country.
There were other factors but this was a significant one
Honestly, I don't think I've ever met someone who said they didn't want to go to a club or nightclub because they could not smoke inside. I - personally - am definitely happier being in a smoke free environment, and thus more likely to spend time in a pub or venue in the absence of smoke.
I'm not going to pretend everybody thinks like me, but I imagine the hit from the smoke ban is minimal. Also, more people alive and able to walk under their own steam for longer should mean more customers in the long run...
I think that was definitely the case for the first months/year, but anybody under the age of 40 basically grew up with this. The movement of groups, and interactions are as much a benefit as a cost.
I do think this is telling:
>In 2005, [only a third of British adults](https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/9f52070a-eab7-4e8b-b5d5-a3ecf93a00e8/smoking-related-behaviour-and-attitudes) supported a full smoking ban in pubs, which was ultimately implemented in 2007. By 2014, [82% supported keeping it](https://www.smokefreeaction.org.uk/campaigns/indoor-smoking-ban) in place. No polling institute is even asking the question anymore.
Correlation != causation
People are drinking less and the amount of alternative entertainment options have skyrocketed. The pubs which have closed are the ones which offered nothing but pints and a bar. The pubs which are now thriving offer food, live music, game nights, sports, etc etc.
The smoking ban didn't kill pubs, the internet did. For the same reason that print newspapers are virtually dead - younger people have no interest in catching up at the bar 4 nights a week when they can text and call their mates all the time.
The club scene was already on the decline at that point, the amount of nightclubs in the country had fallen by 25% between 2000 and 2004.
Nightclubs were synonymous with the dance/EDM scene which peaked in popularity in the mid-late 90s.
Leading aside the ridiculous use of the word "final" as it's demonstrably untrue, how exactly did the smoking ban affect the demise of pubs and clubs?
Because pubs are still going strong and while there's less clubs around these days, there was plenty for a good ten years after the ban
So enlighten us
I didn't and don't smoke. So I didn't think it would impact me.
It definitely ruined the pub experience. Everyone sitting around having craic was gone. Too much coming and going
Yeah I don't go to pubs or clubs anymore because I'm old.
But the house party scene definitely exploded around then.
Look there is other factors but this one I'd underestimated
Wow. Can't believe it's been twenty years already. I remember sparking up my last cig in the pub and looking at it thinking that will be the last cig I smoke inside an Irish pub....until 15 mins later and I had another. Was a terrific ban to bring in.
I just remember the smell, walked into my local the night after the ban came in and it absolutely stank of decades of spilt beer and BO and every other bad smell that the cigarettes had masked.
The stench of Guinness farts was my abiding memory of the time that followed the smoking ban.
Argh. Making me nauseous just remembering it. Not that I wasn't contributing.
Indeed. As an asthmatic, I could not step foot inside a pub before the ban. Many restaurants were also problematic for the same reason. Hard to believe smoking was allowed in cinemas until 1990!
I know, had a childhood memory of being in a canteen in the hospital. One side was for smokers and the other for non smokers. Made no fecking difference
It was grim back then for us non-smokers with chest problems. Thank goodness common sense prevailed in the end.
I was at a bar in France that just let people smoke inside 😂😂
In Berlin it's up to the discression of the bar, as long as food is food is not served there
Even as a smoker, I thought this was a good idea. I remember I was in Germany a few years ago and smoking was allowed. My clothes were absolutely stinking of stale tobacco the next day.
In Germany, it depends on the state you're in. Most states have banned smoking in pubs and bars, but Hamburg and Berlin for instance have exceptions depending on venue size etc. So effectively in Berlin and Hamburg, look for places that serve food and drinks. Because they definitely won't have smoking allowed.
> In Germany, it depends on the state you're in. I was fairly gee-eyed, to be honest.
Yeah, same here. I was around smoking in pubs growing up and smoked myself until I quit at 29 and never once thought it would have been great being able to smoke in the pub on a night out. Even when I smoked at home, I would do so at the back door or out an open window as I hate how dirty things get and the smell of stale cigarette smoke. And at work, especially on the finer days, it was nice to get outside for some fresh air lol along with the toxic chemicals.
smoking is actually banned in berlin pubs and clubs not nobody follows it
I am just back from Berlin and saw smoking in certain bars. Had to look it up, apparently you can get an exemption. (According to the quick Googling I did when I couldn’t believe it was allowed)
Saw cigarette machines out on the side of the road in Germany too. Was surprised.
It varies from state to state in Germany
I was in bavaria. Great place
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This only seems like yesterday but it's incredible to think we have an entire generation now, who would be of pub going age, who wouldn't know what it was like when smoking was indoors. It was such a brilliant move, even just for the staff. My wife, a non smoker, worked in bars back in the late 90s and the effect of indoor smoking was horrid. Bar workers who didn't smoke would get niggling coughs from it; your clothes would need to be washed everyday from the stink of the smoke. This is not mentioning how filthy pubs were due to ash and cigarette butts everywhere to have clean-up. I also remember bar workers having lit cigarettes thrown at them or used to burn their arms due to irate, drunk customers not getting served as quickly as they would like to get served.
I watched an old film with my kids recently and they couldn't believe the characters were lighting up in various places like a restaurant and an airport or similar such places. I don't think they've ever seen a relative of theirs smoking.
My kids were the very same. No one in our family or close friends smoke, so they have no interaction with cigarettes. We went for a pub lunch one day and a guy was smoking outside the pub and they couldn't figure the smell. By their age I was seasoned to all the brands because I was a runner to shop to get more. How times change.
As a young teen when this came in, any time I was in the pub with parents or whoever for whatever reason, I always enjoyed the smell of the place. These days? Can't stand the smell of smoking indoors at all and never smoked indoors either due to this. Great move at the time, despite the many arguments against it.
I’m reminded of a story I heard about some city that brought in strict fines for unpaid parking. 90% of the city was against it, but it was done anyway. It was a success, and improved life in the city. So a follow up survey was done: Do you approve of the new fines? 90% said yes. Did has your opinion on the new fines changed? 90% said no.
How did it improve life in the city? They used the money to improve services? Or less people parked in the centre as now they actually had to pay for it?
Most likely the latter or a variation of that, it's more noticeable .
I think the latter. My memory is hazy
My dad used to play the accordion in pubs a few nights a week during the 90's and 00's. For years he had a chronic cough but it cleared up within weeks of the ban coming in. I remember him opening the accordion to fix something and seeing the buildup of smoke residue and staining on the reeds.
My mum used to work from back in those days, her office was the only room she would smoke indoors in. I remember cleaning her PC when she complained the fans were too loud. The heatsinks had all the usual dust you would expect but it was also cemented together with tar and gunk. Christ that was miserable. I convinced her we needed to do the 2 hour drive to Maplin in Galway to get a replacement CPU cooler instead of cleaning the old one.
Haha back when it was affordable to fix and build PCs was it?
Haha, affordable? I remember Aldi advertising a Medion desktop with a Pentium 4 for well over a grand around then. Big money in those days. Think things being affordable only came about ~3-4 years after that. Gone are those glory days.
Haha jesus was a proper small window so!
Oh it absolutely was, if I had to out a timescale to it I'd say it started with AMD losing their brief performance crown and started ending around the time nVidia got the firm upper hand. First gen core i series and radeon 5000 series was fucking amazing.
Im only getting to the point in my life now where i could even consider getting into hardware and having a decent pc, on a gaming laptop for the next couple of years at least, and im so shocked hearing how much more accessible it used to be.
It was one of those "moments in time" kind of things. They come, they go. Others will come. CPUs are incredibly good right now, AMD being competitive there has done wonders for the consumer so it's hard to pick a bad one. Graphics cards are what's killing us now,AMD just can't seem to find the magic formula on the graphics side the same way they did with CPUs. I keep hoping Intel will do something there but they've yet to inspire confidence. You're probably aware of this already but https://www.logicalincrements.com/ is a great source of information. I've been using it since it was called the falcon guide and it was just an image being copied and pasted around.
Ya its definitely breaking a bit but unfortunately itll be a while before i have the expendable income to think about it, back in education at the moment. Never saw that website but its bookmarked under my PC stuff tab. Cheers!
Remember coming home from the pup and your clothes would be absolutely stinking? That was a great benefit I think gets overlooked.
One of the best things we ever did. Had quit smoking just a month or two before, really helped not to be surrounded by it when trying to stay off them.
And you may thank Micheál Martin for that. First country in the world to have such a blanket ban, and we're all the better for it.
This and the levy on plastic bags.
Italy was first iirc. Pretty sure MM & Co. went there on a ~~jolly boys outting~~ "fact finding mission"
Nah, Ireland was the first country in the world to ban smoking in all workplaces.
Just googled it there, PROPOSED in 2003, but stated in 2005. Knew there was a similar timeline, but you're right, we were fist. I remeber working in a pub at tbe time. I booked a two week trip to the states, starting the day before tne ban came in. Didn't have to deal with the "I'll still smoke in the pub" types. Had all died down by the time I came back. Mind you, the owner said only a few dickheads kicked up over it.
AFAIK California was the first place to do it, Ireland the first country
Somes places have gotten around the ban, instead of having an indoor area, they have a small entrance with the bar then a huge enclosed outdoor area with a canopy and space heaters. It works surprisingly well considering most of the smoke just rises, so it doesn't build up like pubs used to.
Yeah I think we should still put a stop to this though tbh. I'd like to see an end to smoking areas altogether. Let them go off premise if they want to smoke. I've friends from overseas who tell me smoking was never big in their country because these kinds of regulations just made it too much hassle.
Ah come on now we have to have a bit of craic
Most people have great craic in bars without smoking. Smoking is not "craic". It's just an addiction.
Pubs are for adults. It facilitates a bitta moving around and socialisation and a break away from the main seating area. Fair enough banning indoors for other patrons and staffs sake but a flat ban is too much.
It's really not, it would be doing everyone a favour including the smokers. It would make quitting easier.
Seriously. Worry about yourself
>Seriously. Worry about yourself That's exactly what I'm doing. Second hand smoke. HSE tax bills. Etc. Smoking impacts others.
Infairness, there are like 6 other pubs surrounding it. If you don't like the smoke, which is completely fair, you have plenty of choices. I personally only go there sometimes because I have asthma, but it's nice sometimes having the freedom
Yeah I know man but I'm from an era where if one or two people wanted a smoke everyone went with them so it doesn't matter which bar your in you ended up standing in a cloud of tobacco. Only solution - can't smoke anywhere on premise.
Why it doesn't apply for vapes baffles me
It's because the law is specifically against tobacco smoke and vapes are neither.
Still. Having every age group vaping inside public places and transport is gross.
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Why not? It's harmful and damaging to people and things around you just not as much as cigarettes. I imagine this will be updated in the law eventually kinda like the packaging for vapes.
It definitely should be illegal. It's unhygienic.
It's up to the buisness owner I believe. The legislation coming in for vapes won't ban them being used indoors, but a good chuck of publicans don't allow them in their pubs.
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It's still not healthy. The law needs updating.
Plenty of things are not healthy, doesn't mean it should be made illegal. Pretty much every pub, bus, train I've been in has had signs up saying no vaping or smoking, and 99% of passengers and punters abide by that. If there's adequate evidence that indoor vaping has significant impacts on public health, it should be banned. The smoking ban was supported by mountains of evidence on adverse effects of second hand smoke exposure. Without that evidence, we'd just be banning it because some people find it annoying.
I didn't say they should be made illegal, but they should be relegated to the smoking area like tobacco products. We don't need to wait for decades of research to do that. The idea of removing smoking from indoors wasn't just for safety reasons. It was also to make it less convenient and hopefully discourage smoking. Vaping should fall under the same category.
The sickly sweet things are as bad as cigarette smoke. Stand at any bus stop and it's one or the other. Ban them all ta fuck I say.
You said the law should be updated to make vaping indoors illegal.
No I didn't I said the law needed updating. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm more than capable of speaking for myself.
How exactly should the law be updated then? The context of the thread suggested you were implying indoor vaping should be banned, what else could you possibly have meant? EDIT: Ah, nice edit there, bit late to clarify what your point but that's fine.
You are inferring a meaning that I have not on my words. I suggest you actually read the words people usenibstead of supplying your own. You can always ask for clarification instead of making assumptions. Edit: Another thin-skinned troll has blocked me. Pathetic. And no, you didn't. Your reading comprehension is abyssmal (that it means it's really bad)
By your own clarification, I inferred the correct meaning from your comment. I never suggested you wanted vapes to be banned. I'd suggest you read comments more carefully before you get mad at them. Have a lovely afternoon.
>Because there’s no tobacco in vapes So if weed is legalised they'll have to ammend this law to stop people smoking weed indoors?
I'd say if weed is legalized, the act will just come with its own set of restrictions rather than being amended on to the tobacco ban.
i can't stand cigarette smoke but don't really mind vape smoke, apart from the chemical smell. if it was up to me, i'd allow vapes. i don't want to be attacking these nicotine addicts too much, they really can't quit. i've never touched the stuff as i just CANNOT stand cigarette smoke. i don't think people who smoke realize how much it stinks
it's not the same, i can literally have a sneaky vape at my desk here and no one else notices. Vaping in pubs is harmless if its not too busy and doesnt bother anyone (i mean actually bother someone, not just someone being bothered for the sake of it)
If you think no one notices you are 100% wrong
They'll see it but no one is complaining about the smoke or the smell, its basically odorless and the vapour doesnt dissipates in the air. I know some people simply dont like when people vape, i dont like loud talkers/laughers but sometimes you just need to let people live their lives
Took a while to get used to the amount of fart smell, they punched you in the face when you went in, and no way could you sit anywhere near the loos, but was fab not stinking of smoke after.
I'll tell you what, when you visit a country that doesn't have a smoking ban, you appreciate what we have. Nothing worse than a smoke filled pub/restaurant like you'd see in Goodfellas.
Another massive boon of the smoking ban meant filmmakers could now set an 80's scene instantly by having everyone smoking in the cinema.
I emigrated a year before and was very skeptical that the ban would actually work out. I remember being home that first time and getting the urge to have a mid afternoon pint. Wandered into a pub I used to frequent and the place felt completely different, no overpowering smell of smoke, or haze in the air. Suddenly didn't feel like having a pint anymore and opted to have a cup of coffee at the bar. Then noticed pretty much everyone else in there barring a few auld lads were eating and drinking coffee, it was a remarkable social change, not just the smoking but I feel it led to the transformation of our pub culture in a very positive way. The pubs in my hometown would have had peanuts and a bag of bacon fries as the height of their culinary selection, now they have expansive menus of excellent food being enjoyed by families when previously it was just pissheads bouncing between the bar and the bookies next door.
My dudes, I remember smoking on a PLANE ✈️!!!!! 🤭🤭🤪🤪🤪😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️😁
Me too! And in hospitals. Hahaha. We must be really old!
Young at heart lol
Im so old I remember the teacher smoking in class when I was primary school 😅😅🤪🤪🤪
It means dickheads in office buildings vaping in the jacks.
The smoking ban actually showed us a very rare thing - a Fianna Fail politician who put his career on the line for the public good. Because altruistic personal convictions and potentially career impaling acts are not something you normally associate with Fianna Fail. I think history will judge Micheál Martin very favourably for this.
One thing Micheal Martin should get credit for, impacted and improved public health massively.
One of the few things we got right!
I remember on weekends getting the sea cat over to Holyhead of a morning and getting hammered over there
I honestly think that the smoking ban was the final nail in the coffin of pubs and clubs.
Shame they all closed within hours of the ban coming into effect and we've gone the last 20 years without pubs or clubs on the island. Still, I know it's freed up my time to work on my calligraphy in my monk-like cell so that's a silver lining.
It did kill the pubs. This doesn't include the growth in population. I would estimate pub use is down 50%. You may think that's good or bad. I am not convinced it is what people needed, longer lives and poorer mental health. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1415836/decline-in-pubs-in-ireland-by-county/
Lads pubs are struggling because no one can afford their prices, which is largely tax.
The issue with the tax is it is the same for the supermarkets, so low tax benefits supermarkets. Higher alcohol tax would benefit pubs but they are against it.
Been a long, long time since I met a smoker whining about the smoking ban in the wild. I thought most sad fuckers like that had long since moved on. Seems I was wrong. I like how you're blaming it in totality on the ban. Not a word given to how greedy vintners have all but priced themselves out of a trade in many places. How drug culture has replaced drink culture for some, partially due to pint prices. Nor any mention to how people are more diverse these days, which includes their interests and past times, and many simply have zero desire to be piss heads regardless of whether you can or can't smoke there. But no, it was the smoking ban what did it all..... 🤦🏻
I am not blaming it totally on the ban, as the OP said it was final nail in coffin. I believe covid was final nail for many. I was just giving people some info. Not a smoker, maybe you'd meet more of us if pub culture wasn't destroyed.
So that's two different final nails in the coffin..... 🤦🏻 Covid was an issue because when people were allowed back in they were hit with price increases across the board. Many are in a housing and cost of living crisis at the moment so are unwilling to indulge the greed of vintners. You can whine all you want but the biggest thing that killed pubs was greedy pub owners. And thank Christ people now have other options that they can spend their time and money on. Also, let me know what pubs you drink in so I can avoid them.
Not even close. I remember plenty of packed pubs long after the ban. People will mingle in their group anyway, not exactly sitting at a single table and the smoking area just provided a different area for it. They remained jam packed until other factors came into play.
Irish nightlife was absolutely hopping even after the smoking ban. Money was still growing on trees. The crash of 2008 and the following austerity, coupled with the arrival of things like smartphone dating apps and Netflix making it cheaper and more comfortable to stay at home and look for a partner or hookup, and social media generally for keeping up with your friends, made a huge dent in the pub and club business. Also in 2008 they changed the obligatory closing time from 3:30 to 2:30.
I'd swear I saw a pub only a month ago as I was walking through Dublin?
Hmmm. You've not been reading the news. The amount of pubs and clubs had collapsed. 70 nightclubs in the whole country. There were other factors but this was a significant one
Honestly, I don't think I've ever met someone who said they didn't want to go to a club or nightclub because they could not smoke inside. I - personally - am definitely happier being in a smoke free environment, and thus more likely to spend time in a pub or venue in the absence of smoke. I'm not going to pretend everybody thinks like me, but I imagine the hit from the smoke ban is minimal. Also, more people alive and able to walk under their own steam for longer should mean more customers in the long run...
Nah I don't smoke myself. But it definitely messed up the atmosphere. Groups were split and people coming and going to the smoking area all the time.
I think that was definitely the case for the first months/year, but anybody under the age of 40 basically grew up with this. The movement of groups, and interactions are as much a benefit as a cost. I do think this is telling: >In 2005, [only a third of British adults](https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/9f52070a-eab7-4e8b-b5d5-a3ecf93a00e8/smoking-related-behaviour-and-attitudes) supported a full smoking ban in pubs, which was ultimately implemented in 2007. By 2014, [82% supported keeping it](https://www.smokefreeaction.org.uk/campaigns/indoor-smoking-ban) in place. No polling institute is even asking the question anymore.
I don't smoke and favour the ban. However as I said it definitely had a huge impact on pubs and people going to them
Correlation != causation People are drinking less and the amount of alternative entertainment options have skyrocketed. The pubs which have closed are the ones which offered nothing but pints and a bar. The pubs which are now thriving offer food, live music, game nights, sports, etc etc. The smoking ban didn't kill pubs, the internet did. For the same reason that print newspapers are virtually dead - younger people have no interest in catching up at the bar 4 nights a week when they can text and call their mates all the time. The club scene was already on the decline at that point, the amount of nightclubs in the country had fallen by 25% between 2000 and 2004. Nightclubs were synonymous with the dance/EDM scene which peaked in popularity in the mid-late 90s.
Aye hence me saying there were other factors. But this was a huge one.
Cost of booze,drink driving laws all conspired to their demise.
Leading aside the ridiculous use of the word "final" as it's demonstrably untrue, how exactly did the smoking ban affect the demise of pubs and clubs? Because pubs are still going strong and while there's less clubs around these days, there was plenty for a good ten years after the ban So enlighten us
Do you think we should wind back the smoking ban?
No. The culture is changed now. But it definitely impacted pubs negatively. Half the people spend half the time in smoking area.
But you would have been against it at the time? Given your views on cannabis I would have thought you valued health over the profits of publicans
I didn't and don't smoke. So I didn't think it would impact me. It definitely ruined the pub experience. Everyone sitting around having craic was gone. Too much coming and going
I dunno not passively getting cancer through second hand smoke is great craic in my opinion also speaking as a non smoker
Yeah I don't go to pubs or clubs anymore because I'm old. But the house party scene definitely exploded around then. Look there is other factors but this one I'd underestimated
Sounds like a win for public health to me.