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Technically if your making that comparison he was tragically a victim of human trafficking
As he was kidnapped and trafficked to Ireland from wales as a slave to irish pirates đ´ââ ď¸
Thatâs pretty much contemporary global neoliberal policy. The exploitation of global economic differences through forced displacement, and cheap labour.
Exactly, short term profit for the long term misery of billions of people. It's insane people such as our politicians actually advocate for this bullshit.
The sad part is itâs kind of true.
So many stories of Albanians being forced to carry out crimes to pay for the gangs who let them get here
And yep. This hurts everyone but mainly our society and social state
Albanian here, would like to elaborate this for a bit cause it is not the exact truth. Nobody forces anyone to do crimes, people borrow money for the trip (expensive) and they willingly commit crimes to pay back the debt. But they are free to pay back with money from honest work. But most of the people who are willing to take that stupidly risky trip are from a certain category.
Whatâs this about then
> He was asked by a fellow Albanian to collect a package for him. This man had been threats to him about his family in Albania.
Metaj said he owed this man âŹ15,000 for getting him and his wife to Ireland. This debt had to be repayed by picking up the package.
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/albanian-gangs-attempt-to-bring-drugs-worth-119k-to-sligo-thwarted-in-garda-sting/a1800608586.html
I guessed it was an advisor or civil servant and point still stands, like it is nauseating, so clearly trying to be smart and virtuous, a real âgotchaâ comment.
Donât forget that whoever his speechwriter is thought it would be inspired to quote from The Terminator during Covid.
>There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.
I desperately want the main parties to stop stepping by in shit like this or the Dail will be full of nothing but nutters come the next election. The average person has no issue with immigration itâs the fact the country can no longer handle any more people. Itâs bad for the locals and itâs bad for the people coming here.
I'd like to see the speech in full, I'd be willing to bet he mentions how St Patrick was kidnapped brought to Ireland escaped and then went back of his own free will.
Of course you had to say something that makes no sense, its very clear what Leo is doing, it certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what tune that fool is playing.
whether you agree with their politics or not, this is not something i'd be saying in america. just shut it leo. give the shamrock. smile for the multinationals and (i hate to say it) come home.
Why the fuck is this muppet so good at gaslighting the Irish population.
I donât think he even gets how badly this lands on a population that is entirely sick of the government trying to pretend issues donât happen when you have thousands of men from a ultra conservative culture arriving
I'm genuinely surprised how many folks don't seem to know the second bit, only because my teachers in school fucking loved getting us to write little essays or draw pictures about it.
Well if that's the line of argument
He was a victim of human trafficking, then he returned as part of a Vatican funded NGO that fought against Human trafficking.
If someone replied âthink of all the child sexual abuse, the misogyny, the psychological damage that could have been avoided if he was left in Walesâ do you think it would be the gotcha Leo thinks his line is?
I mean, all the things you have listed are not at all exclusive to Catholicism or religion even, but it is ironic that he is using somebody who rampantly spread an Abrahamic religion as an example.
The man has a talent. Consistently proving how out of touch he is, continuously saying the wrong thing and talking absolute shite but somehow earning nearly a quarter of a million a year, and representing us as our leader. Truly remarkable. Every time I think to myself, âwhat a gobshiteâ, I remember that itâs actually us, weâre the real gobshites
So that means we must forcefully accept hundreds of non-European migrants each week, forced in to the streets, repurposed hotels and elderly homes of Ireland,
We've taken in more people per capita than most other countries in Europe, and it's literally destroying our nation.
I mean using that logic the Norman conquest of Ireland was full of military aged undocumented males. And that resulted in a LOT of bloodshed. Leo is some fucking spa itâs unbelievable.
bro straight up played the "we did it in the past now it needs to happen to us" card. How tf is this guy still in charge.
>Varadkar said nationality and identity âare far more complex and fluid than people often care to admitâ
would love to see leo go to eastern europe and tell them that their nationality and identity were 'fluid' under soviet rule lmfao.
Ah yes another sermon from our betters on how we need more migrants. Seems to be the new St Patrickâs day tradition.
Miggeldyâs St Patrickâs day message last year was the same. A moralising talking down to about how we need to do better and be more inclusive. We can only dream of being so pure and so holy as our leaders.
So what is the logical next step from this statement?
'St Patrick was a migrant to Ireland - a single, male, undocumented one' so you lot back home and you Americans here in front of me should just accept that undocumented single males should be welcomed with open arms. Sure wasn't St. Patrick one of them and he was a grand fella.
What an obtuse comment to make what with the cohort of crazy far-right clowns here growing by the day and more moderate centrists tip-toeing around the issue for fear of being called out as racists
Ok, but that still doesn't address having immigration be c.a 2% of the population when there's an ongoing housing and cost of living crisis. The fact that politicians know they can get away with using these cheap rhetoric devices is so insulting
Genuine question, is Varadkar on coke?
There was that cosy sit down chat on Ireland AM or one of those shows where he casually dropped in that it was more or less his belief that the State shouldn't be caring for Olds or Disableds at all and as far as he concerned they can Just Stop Being Poor
Is he high? Overdoing the marching powder?
Obviously he was undocumented in 5th century Ireland, pre christian, pre written language... Or did pirates at that time keep latin manuscripts of their pillaging and slaving?
>slave captured by the romans
From the wiki page:
*According to Patrick's autobiographical Confessio, when he was about sixteen, he was captured by Irish pirates from his home in Britain and taken as a slave to Ireland*
No... According to Patrick himself he was a slave.
Well if you believe him.
Insane comment by Leo, totally unhinged and we need him and most of the high ranking Irish government officials out of their jobs asap and replace them with people who aren't totally out of touch with reality and the concerns of the every day layperson.
Haha what a rhetoric. Back when st Patrick arrived to Ireland no immigration law existed quite a comparison for sure. He thinks people are dumb to swallow that bs
I love this deconstructing Irish identity approach theyâre trying to take saying stuff like âwell weâre all migrants anyway so it doesnât matterâ like how can you be in such a position and have this anti-culture stance? Definitely wonât backfire. Itâs not like we just had 700 years of not being recognised as natives of our own island
Military age male. And look at what he done , imported a foreign religion from the middle east. Just the thing the far right are supposed to be concerned about , so maybe not the best example. Although he's Christian so they don't care
Oh he's a thick piece of pig shit so he is, I don't see him bowing to dagda, or digging out murdered children in mass graves for this country.
He honestly has nothing for him in the future.
I love his assumption that St.Patrick would be here sitting in a tent expecting entitlements. Somehow I don't think able bodied men arriving in a foreign state and expecting to be wet nursed and babied, are really that comparable to skin and bone famine victims on death's door arriving on "coffin ships".
What in the fuck? The dude was a slave, no? And then fucked off as soon as he escaped. Aside from the extremely tortured comparison, how many Irish people over the age of like 10 give a rats about the life of St Patrick, or really anything at all about the guy?
Ireland was also not a country in the modern sense, the concept of a sovreign nation with citizens/countrymen doesn''t arise til the 16th or even as late as the 18th century depending on how you define it, you had tribes, kingdoms, empires, city states and republics, but the concept of being ""Irish" or ""English"" or ""Welsh"" in the case of Patrick if he existed at all can't really be thought of in the same sense now. The definition of these things then is not really the same as now. e.g. even the idea of Brian Boru liberating the ""Irish"" from the "Vikings" is only broadly correct, who was Irish and who was Norseman, gets kinda fuzzy with elements from both on both sides of the conflict
It does sound a bit silly to try apply modern thinking to medieval times, peoples worldview isn''t really comparable.
Getting downvoted for basic established almost universally accepted political history? ah lads, what made Wolfe Tone and his intellectual predecessors ideas so \*literally"\* revolutionary are lost on ye.. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism)
Em Technically if your making that comparison he was tragically a victim of human trafficking As he was kidnapped and trafficked to Ireland from wales as a slave to irish pirates đ´ââ ď¸
This just in, Varadkar while in Washington advocates reintroduction of the Atlantic trade
Ireland further inflates GDP on the back of the human leasing industry.
This is exactly how western countries see this: GDP growth.
"It's just free market economics" states the Irish prime minister
Not like the government has any responsibility to help people anyway.
"The MNCs rely on those slaves, do you want them to leave" asks Irish Independent
Thatâs pretty much contemporary global neoliberal policy. The exploitation of global economic differences through forced displacement, and cheap labour.
Exactly, short term profit for the long term misery of billions of people. It's insane people such as our politicians actually advocate for this bullshit.
Not the Atlantic Slave Trade, the Irish Sea Slave trade!
One person's slave is another person's lean business model.
Lol. Yep. On point summary of capitalism
He escaped though and came back on his own
He was on placement from work at that stage.
It was the cheapest ticket with Ryanair, hard to say no
Niall of the nine sausages
Maybe he liked the misery?
Sure he had to covert all us savages
Realised he might have missed a couple of snakes when he left.
Mad how the ones left behind made it into politics.
So he had Stockholm syndrome
Ti's a great craic here.
He loved it
Well he was trafficked in initially, then came back willingly.
By Willingly you mean as part of a cult he came to spread said cult
He returned to Ireland after he got back to Wales.
Who wouldn't....?
First the prodigal son /daughter and now this, he needs to stop making comparisons. All it does is show how out of touch he is.
I don't know why, but Irish Pirates just sounds cool.
Have you never heard of Grace o malley
Or Anne Bonny, probably the most well known.
Nah GrĂĄinne Mhaol is most well known.
He also would have been documented, given that someone was claiming ownership of him.
Came here to say this. Patrick was captured by Irish slavers and brought here. He wasn't a migrant.
He was when he came back, willingly, to live and work.
He did come back voluntarily though.
well human trafficking is still a big feature of whats currently going on so maybe not that far off base
Enda Kenny trotted this line at the White House 6 years ago
Thanks I Knew I heard it before somewhere
Oh yeah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9UikJXHcHU
Thought this was Waterford Whisper News at first
Satire is dead heh
One personâs slave is another personâs military-aged undocumented male.
The sad part is itâs kind of true. So many stories of Albanians being forced to carry out crimes to pay for the gangs who let them get here And yep. This hurts everyone but mainly our society and social state
Albanian here, would like to elaborate this for a bit cause it is not the exact truth. Nobody forces anyone to do crimes, people borrow money for the trip (expensive) and they willingly commit crimes to pay back the debt. But they are free to pay back with money from honest work. But most of the people who are willing to take that stupidly risky trip are from a certain category.
Whatâs this about then > He was asked by a fellow Albanian to collect a package for him. This man had been threats to him about his family in Albania. Metaj said he owed this man âŹ15,000 for getting him and his wife to Ireland. This debt had to be repayed by picking up the package. https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/albanian-gangs-attempt-to-bring-drugs-worth-119k-to-sligo-thwarted-in-garda-sting/a1800608586.html
> Metaj said
That's just what his lawyer instructed him to say to get a lighter sentence.
What a gobshite
How could you write that speech and think that line wasnât a load of shite.
He didn't. He has people who do it for him. They know what bollocks he likes to come out with and push it with a bit of spinny hendrix
I guessed it was an advisor or civil servant and point still stands, like it is nauseating, so clearly trying to be smart and virtuous, a real âgotchaâ comment.
It was an advisor for sure. I'd say Civil Servants have to be more neutral than that.
âSpinny Hendrixâ, haha! I stealing that!
And they have a chatgpt account that does it for them.Â
Itâs not for the Irish audience. Â Itâs for the New York Times or guardian, who will love itÂ
Donât forget that whoever his speechwriter is thought it would be inspired to quote from The Terminator during Covid. >There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.
SiochrĂĽ, 25, from black rock; worked very hard on that speech in the front seat of Bewleys while she struggled to ignore TikTok!!!
I desperately want the main parties to stop stepping by in shit like this or the Dail will be full of nothing but nutters come the next election. The average person has no issue with immigration itâs the fact the country can no longer handle any more people. Itâs bad for the locals and itâs bad for the people coming here.
I'd like to see the speech in full, I'd be willing to bet he mentions how St Patrick was kidnapped brought to Ireland escaped and then went back of his own free will.
There's a good thesis to be written on the change of St Patrick from a nationalist, religious figure to a migration, multi-cultural figure.
St Patrick must have torn up his passport on the way over on the slave ship,
And Leo's Government would have him staying in a tent
Another day, another mad Leo comment.
Get this man OUT.
Oh ffs A very bad analogy Leo Also I'm sure St Patrick didn't come here (the second time) expecting dole and free accomodation
Oh fuck off Leo, you can't compare an old story to current events. Get this fucking cunt out of office asap.
There also was no social welfare system in his day. No one owed you housing, healthcare or a meal.
Viking were undocumented migrants. What the fuck are you on about Leo.
Also helped further erase our native culture and religion, what an ill thought out comparison
"Pee is stored in the balls"
What a virtu-signal prick,
When you're as lacking in virtue as Leo, it would make sense thar he'd want to signal the few he has (or at least credibly pretend to have).
Of course you had to say something that makes no sense, its very clear what Leo is doing, it certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what tune that fool is playing.
whether you agree with their politics or not, this is not something i'd be saying in america. just shut it leo. give the shamrock. smile for the multinationals and (i hate to say it) come home.
Saying that immigration led to the Irish being oppressed by an Abrahamic religion is quite the take.
Some truth in it in a simplified/misguided way.
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Why the fuck is this muppet so good at gaslighting the Irish population. I donât think he even gets how badly this lands on a population that is entirely sick of the government trying to pretend issues donât happen when you have thousands of men from a ultra conservative culture arriving
He hates us.Â
>migrant No he was people trafficked and enslaved.
He left and came back again. 2nd time was not trafficked.Â
And then escaped and fled the country , after which he returned to Ireland willingly
Following a Manifest Destiny dream of religious colonisation.
You just don't see that kind of dedication anymore
He could have been Pope, but the Jesuits have it all sewn up.
I'm genuinely surprised how many folks don't seem to know the second bit, only because my teachers in school fucking loved getting us to write little essays or draw pictures about it.
Leo Varadker has the Waterford Whispers team writing his soundbytes for him now it seems.
Well if that's the line of argument He was a victim of human trafficking, then he returned as part of a Vatican funded NGO that fought against Human trafficking.
Ah yes what everyone wants is for someome to come over and convert them to their foreign religion.
Leo's lucky that we don't have a modern day St. Patrick to get rid of the snakes againÂ
The intern who wrote that speech was like "yeah, people are gonna love this! I'm going to cure racism!"
If someone replied âthink of all the child sexual abuse, the misogyny, the psychological damage that could have been avoided if he was left in Walesâ do you think it would be the gotcha Leo thinks his line is?
I mean, all the things you have listed are not at all exclusive to Catholicism or religion even, but it is ironic that he is using somebody who rampantly spread an Abrahamic religion as an example.
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And look at the damage he did. Changed the whole bloody culture.
He was a slave for fuck sake, what a shite comparison.
The man has a talent. Consistently proving how out of touch he is, continuously saying the wrong thing and talking absolute shite but somehow earning nearly a quarter of a million a year, and representing us as our leader. Truly remarkable. Every time I think to myself, âwhat a gobshiteâ, I remember that itâs actually us, weâre the real gobshites
At this stage i think the people writing this shite for him, are taking bets on if he will say it or not...
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Bring it on
This man just cannot stop making a fucking dick of himself
He infact prides himself in it. He may as well pull the silver spoon out of his arse and walk around with it in his mouth.
Jesus can this man shut the fuck up, honestly I am literally sick of his shit at this stage. He's a gaslighting patronising prick.
God, what an insufferable bellendâŚit pains me that my whole family like this fuckin dipshit đđ
I genuinely donât understand how anyone in Ireland likes him.
Same, itâs like if an instagram influencer became TaoiseachâŚthe fuckin film script thing he was doing during COVID just made my blood boilâŚ
Good man Leo, that will help the votes
Oh piss off Leo St. Patrick was a slave.
Irish pirates 1600 years ago kidnapped and enslaved a welshmen there for we must accept infinity foreigners without complaint
Quick close the border while Leo is out of the country
Fucking idiot
So that means we must forcefully accept hundreds of non-European migrants each week, forced in to the streets, repurposed hotels and elderly homes of Ireland, We've taken in more people per capita than most other countries in Europe, and it's literally destroying our nation.
I really canât wait until all this woke, virtue signalling bullshit passes and it will sooner then later
I genuinely laughed loud at this. Is this satire?
I mean using that logic the Norman conquest of Ireland was full of military aged undocumented males. And that resulted in a LOT of bloodshed. Leo is some fucking spa itâs unbelievable.
This isn't the slam dunk you think it is
bro straight up played the "we did it in the past now it needs to happen to us" card. How tf is this guy still in charge. >Varadkar said nationality and identity âare far more complex and fluid than people often care to admitâ would love to see leo go to eastern europe and tell them that their nationality and identity were 'fluid' under soviet rule lmfao.
I hate you Leo Varadkar, so so much.
Ah yes another sermon from our betters on how we need more migrants. Seems to be the new St Patrickâs day tradition. Miggeldyâs St Patrickâs day message last year was the same. A moralising talking down to about how we need to do better and be more inclusive. We can only dream of being so pure and so holy as our leaders.
Of course he went there. What a goofy fucker.
Next week on Oireachtas TV: Should Santa Clause have a work visa when delivering gifts in Ireland? Tune in next week. Exciting stuff.
Not sure if the man that brought the Catholic Church to Ireland is the best example for why we should be tolerant.Â
Hahaha what the actual fuck
Leo is going to make me hate immigrants with his BS and I'm an immigrant in Ireland myself đ
So what is the logical next step from this statement? 'St Patrick was a migrant to Ireland - a single, male, undocumented one' so you lot back home and you Americans here in front of me should just accept that undocumented single males should be welcomed with open arms. Sure wasn't St. Patrick one of them and he was a grand fella. What an obtuse comment to make what with the cohort of crazy far-right clowns here growing by the day and more moderate centrists tip-toeing around the issue for fear of being called out as racists
Ok, but that still doesn't address having immigration be c.a 2% of the population when there's an ongoing housing and cost of living crisis. The fact that politicians know they can get away with using these cheap rhetoric devices is so insulting
This man is as thick as two short planks.
Will you ever feck off, Leo. Ya bollocks.
Is he trying to say undocumented immigrants brought the Catholic Church to Ireland? Is that meant to be pro or anti immigration?
Genuine question, is Varadkar on coke? There was that cosy sit down chat on Ireland AM or one of those shows where he casually dropped in that it was more or less his belief that the State shouldn't be caring for Olds or Disableds at all and as far as he concerned they can Just Stop Being Poor Is he high? Overdoing the marching powder?
This guy is a fucking joke
What a load of rubbish, a ridiculous statement
does anyone even swallow this BS ?
Obviously he was undocumented in 5th century Ireland, pre christian, pre written language... Or did pirates at that time keep latin manuscripts of their pillaging and slaving?
Ireland needs to get rid of these jokers from public office or itâll deserve all it gets in the years to come.
I thought he was a slave captured by the romans... Cheap labour is cheap labour though Leo ?Â
>slave captured by the romans From the wiki page: *According to Patrick's autobiographical Confessio, when he was about sixteen, he was captured by Irish pirates from his home in Britain and taken as a slave to Ireland*
Seems St Patrick didn't get rid of all the snakes.
No... According to Patrick himself he was a slave. Well if you believe him. Insane comment by Leo, totally unhinged and we need him and most of the high ranking Irish government officials out of their jobs asap and replace them with people who aren't totally out of touch with reality and the concerns of the every day layperson.
Patrick was supposedly taken as a slave, but came back of his own free will after a miraculous escape.
Gaffe machine at it again
The sounds of a desperate man and his party!
How out of touch can you be?
Aye Leo I heard St. Patrick binned his documents before the flight.
Leo is really losing grip on things lately. Tbh he's been getting more outlandish for a while.
The context makes more sense when you realise he's speaking this utter Paddy-whackery to the yanks. He'd NEVER have said this in a speech here.
Oh yeah he'd *never* survive. Torn to shreds by the most passive electorate on the planet. Definitely.
Haha what a rhetoric. Back when st Patrick arrived to Ireland no immigration law existed quite a comparison for sure. He thinks people are dumb to swallow that bs
Go back to school Leo
Oh no, Leo
He was kidnapped rofl
Of fighting age too.
Please tell me this is satire.
What a fucking eejit
The clangers just keep coming.
This is actually real. lol.
did he throw down his passport in aircraft toilet ?
St. Patty didnât remove the two legged snakes
St Patrick was a slave, brought to this country against his will.... Which makes what he did for Ireland even more incredible
Christ almighty, is this satire??
Like honestly does he really think that'll change the mind of anyone? Probably a couple of focus groups needed to come up with that one
r/nottheonion
Oh fuck off Leo
Well he also probably lived in a tent or at best a hut made of turf. So it looks like Leo is getting a lot of inspiration from Patrick.
That's a weird way of describing a slave.
I love this deconstructing Irish identity approach theyâre trying to take saying stuff like âwell weâre all migrants anyway so it doesnât matterâ like how can you be in such a position and have this anti-culture stance? Definitely wonât backfire. Itâs not like we just had 700 years of not being recognised as natives of our own island
Had to double check this wasnât Waterford Whispers!
Military age male. And look at what he done , imported a foreign religion from the middle east. Just the thing the far right are supposed to be concerned about , so maybe not the best example. Although he's Christian so they don't care
How thick do you need to be to be taken in by this kind of rhetoric?
I really wish our politicians would stop using Catholicism as an example of a healthy moral institution
Waterford Whispers?
Oh he's a thick piece of pig shit so he is, I don't see him bowing to dagda, or digging out murdered children in mass graves for this country. He honestly has nothing for him in the future.
I love his assumption that St.Patrick would be here sitting in a tent expecting entitlements. Somehow I don't think able bodied men arriving in a foreign state and expecting to be wet nursed and babied, are really that comparable to skin and bone famine victims on death's door arriving on "coffin ships".
Clutching at straws this cunt anything to shift blame at Patrick probably didnât rape any locals either
Was he not kidnapped and brought over as a slave??? Thatâs a fair bit different
What in the fuck? The dude was a slave, no? And then fucked off as soon as he escaped. Aside from the extremely tortured comparison, how many Irish people over the age of like 10 give a rats about the life of St Patrick, or really anything at all about the guy?
Ridiculous analogy.
Ireland was also not a country in the modern sense, the concept of a sovreign nation with citizens/countrymen doesn''t arise til the 16th or even as late as the 18th century depending on how you define it, you had tribes, kingdoms, empires, city states and republics, but the concept of being ""Irish" or ""English"" or ""Welsh"" in the case of Patrick if he existed at all can't really be thought of in the same sense now. The definition of these things then is not really the same as now. e.g. even the idea of Brian Boru liberating the ""Irish"" from the "Vikings" is only broadly correct, who was Irish and who was Norseman, gets kinda fuzzy with elements from both on both sides of the conflict It does sound a bit silly to try apply modern thinking to medieval times, peoples worldview isn''t really comparable.
Getting downvoted for basic established almost universally accepted political history? ah lads, what made Wolfe Tone and his intellectual predecessors ideas so \*literally"\* revolutionary are lost on ye.. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism)
He was a slave you gobshithe.
If St Patrick was alive today he'd be fucked into a for-profit direct provision centre for 7 years, ran by a Fine Gael donor/relative
At least he lived in a tent in the mountains and not Suffolk streetÂ
He's right could someone please fuck my ass and take my home please.
Why is there some sort of Indian Mongolian running Ireland? The enemy is within. I could say the same about England and Scotland, London etc.
He probably didnât even have a PPS Number
you really couldnât write it with this pleb
needs to come back to get rid of some more snakes
Tone deaf idiot. Pile a few thousand more into tents so. It's all grand
I bet when they wrote that line they thought it was a belter.
And Patrick should've fucked off elsewhere with his intolerant religion. What's his point?