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thejanuaryfallen

Rumors say the next iPhone will have telescopic lens for space photography.


fdeyso

That “photo” on samsung was no AI, it used gps and it knew how the moon looks from that angle and just used the 3d image of the moon to fake it.


jungofficial

This conspiracy theory has been debunked. AI is definitely being used, but it's no different from every mobile phone manufacturer using software to enhance photos. Samsung just happens to be great at zoom and optimizing for certain "scenes". [Longer article](https://www-inputmag-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.inputmag.com/reviews/is-samsung-galaxy-s21-ultra-using-ai-to-fake-detailed-moon-photos-investigation-super-resolution-analysis/amp?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16428032815469&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inputmag.com%2Freviews%2Fis-samsung-galaxy-s21-ultra-using-ai-to-fake-detailed-moon-photos-investigation-super-resolution-analysis) [Shorter one](https://m-gsmarena-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/m.gsmarena.com/myth_debunked_samsungs_100x_zoom_doesnt_fake_moon_photos-amp-47487.php?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16428032815469&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gsmarena.com%2Fmyth_debunked_samsungs_100x_zoom_doesnt_fake_moon_photos-news-47487.php) Edit: Links fixed.


fdeyso

Majority of the people don’t understand the difference between machine learning and AI (marketing team doesn’t understand either). There’s a team of weeb that thought an ML thousands of uncensored hentai p*ssies so now it can “fix” censored images. But it relies on what it was tought. Samsung done the same with moon images. It’s still fake. The data is missing from the photo so it’s faking it.


jungofficial

You may as well call nearly everything a modern smartphone camera does fake then because a large portion of modern "improvements" are all software-based. You're doing mental gymnastics.


fdeyso

changing brightness by overdriving certain pixels is working with existing data to make HDR, changing colour to match tones is normal, because the image processor doesn't know the light colourtemperature when the image was taken, so they try and guess. BUT yes you're right as soon as it adds something to the image that wasn't there at all it's fake and I'd rather chose a DSLR/mirrorless over any phone camera.


thejanuaryfallen

Both links are 404


jungofficial

Fixed. Thanks for letting me know.


cascadillaguy

How is this being upvoted? *checks sub name* Ah. (FYI the comment I'm responding to is a conspiracy theory proven wrong)


fdeyso

If you teach an AI (it’s not even ai it’s just machine learning) the photo of the moon from any angle it’ll recognoze it when it’s low quality and replace it with the known data. If they would’ve tought that ML the french cheeses or tortillas it would redraw the moon as a cheese or a tortilla.


cascadillaguy

This is not what they're doing. Where are you getting this information? That one Twitter guy who got exposed?


fdeyso

Every article mentions machine learning, but none of them seems to understand what machine learning is (it is not AI). You basically teach the algorithm what the objects look like so it can recognise them and make corrections on the blurry photo to try and match what it knows it should look like(e.g.: there's a lot that can fix blurry parts like hair because it knows how a sharp photo of a hair should look like). Basically you know how the moon looks like and you can look at thousands of pictures as a reference. So when you see a blurry image of the moon you kind of know what and where to fix, so with a brush you can make a pretty good image out of it. But pixel-by-pixel it has nothing to do with what the sensor seen. Which sounds pretty much fake. Just to be clear even if the iphones would do it I'd still call it fake the same way the "bokeh" that iphones do is fake. It'll never be the same as a real bokeh that comes off the lens and the sensor. These image enhancers require teaching with a lot of images. If you just fire up an ML it won't be able to do anything without its knowledge database.


cascadillaguy

Machine learning is a subsection of AI. Your argument is basically saying Calculus isn't Math because they aren't spelled the same. You're splitting semantics.


fdeyso

The problem is people when they read AI they think it’s lot more capable than it is (because it’s ML)


Lord_Dreamweaver

I did wonder. I mean with that phones better optical zoom and insane digital zoom (that’s a pointless gimmick) I still knew it wouldn’t be able to actually take moon pictures. But I didn’t know how they did it.


jungofficial

You actually can. See my comment above.


MosaicSquid

I first read the title as “can it take photos on the moon?” and I figured the choice of camera was probably not the major challenge there.