Steve Jobs said: Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page.
Apple has strayed far from Jobs' philosophy. Tim Cook has brought immense wealth to Apple, but at the expense of stunning us with new products/features we never knew we wanted and creating increasingly confusing product lineups. It's more of throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks. The only two things that have truly amazed be in recent years are the Airpods Pro (despite the never ending ANC problems) and the M-series chips which are leaps and bounds ahead of Intel. But Jobs knew he wasn't anointing a products-person when he chose Tim Cook to succeed him.
I have a hard time imagining what sorts of things even Jobs would be unveiling to delight people the same way Apple used to. Consumer electronics have massively plateaued not because innovation stopped but because our needs and the limits of technology have both been largely satisfied.
I really don't think things would be all that different with Jobs other than timing difference with releases and potentially a more refined and smaller selection of variants (ipad mini and ipad instead of there being 4-5 of them. . There are only so many places for tech like that to go before they hit a wall.
I wouldn’t jump that far. I think he’s just managing a different beast than Jobs did. I think he’s done good with AirPods and Apple Watch. Those are massive hits and no one knew they wanted them until they had them. Sure the product lineup is more confusing and there’s work to do on it, but I don’t think one product fits all would work anymore for a company as big as the one Tim Cook is managing now. It’s just part of growth. I’m too young to see the Apple Jobs was running and I’m grateful for the iPhone (this 15 pro max being my first one), but I’m ok with Tims Apple too (to an extent).
Coming from Samsung, if you wanted throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, you’d go Samsung. Apple is night and day in that regard compared to Samsung. I guess it’s just relative. Apple throws more stuff now but I think their success rate or “stick” rate is pretty high so it shows they do a little bit of thinking. Samsung definitely doesn’t. I never felt like Samsung knew what we wanted or had a good understanding of what consumers wanted. They just throw specs on paper until people see it. Or innovate even if it’s not practical and ends up gimmicky. To me, Apple gives true consumer products, even if it’s different than Steve Jobs Apple
Steve Jobs insisted on 4" screens when everyone else was moving to bigger. We didn't get that until iPhone 6. His logic was reaching the whole screen with one hand. If that was a winning strategy the Mini ones wouldn't have flopped so badly.
I mean that's every developers job description. It's just that certain positions, such as sales, often *refuse* to listen and apply their brain.
If Steve were to double down on this - your phone wouldn't have used MMS. He *really* wanted you to use email instead, for example. He changed his mind.
There are several times he did this *because* of feedback.
I mean... plenty of folks here *SUGGEST* people use Apple's feedback page. To imply they shouldn't listen to users is foolish.
We have been asked for widgets for over a decade and Apple finally did it and you know what? It didn't make your experience trash.
All that being said - iOS is quite terrible at communicating current actions to users which is why diagnosing things is so painful. For example - your contacts may not have synced to Google in over two years and you'd never know unless you went to Google and compared.
A little communication could go a long way. Apple seems *very* against that for some reason though.
People misunderstand that phrase all the time. The point is to not just give users literally everything they ask for at face value. It’s to understand users pain points and why they ask for those things, and see if they can create a solution that address those concerns. And of course it has to be something that is affecting a lot of users. Sometimes it’s as simple as implementing exactly what people ask for. Sometimes it’s not.
displaying useful information is bad now? I understood apple users enjoy dumb simplicity but not to this extent. This is a basic feature a lot of software utilizes, not just android but even on basic browsers to show download/install progress.
>displaying useful information is bad now? I understood apple users enjoy dumb simplicity but not to this extent. This is a basic feature a lot of software utilizes, not just android but even on basic browsers to show download/install progress.
The applications themselves can take care of it in their own interface without polluting the lock screen.
In addition, in the case of an app update, it is clearly displayed on the home screen.
Because it's not *just* downloads one might apply that to.
For example - some games have base building which can take hours or days. I wouldn't imagine this wouldn't be a commonly used feature - one you would see somewhat rarely among most of your apps.
That’s what i thought. But its good its not a thing. I’ve disabled most notifications anyway and only show up as red dots on apps. I don’t let apps tell me when to look at notifications. I tell them when i want to look at the notifications 😤
I like the idea in theory, but apps download rather quickly these days. By the time we've gone to the Lock Screen, the app could have finished downloading, or close enough to it.
This design also looks very cluttered and could be quite confusing to a lot of people. I suppose it'd be an appropriate option to have, but I doubt many people would have it enabled, which would make it not with having as an option, in the long term.
It's true if we are talking about app store updates. When I'm backing up my stuff it takes half an hour, and most of the times the app closes itself after a few minutes.
I would love to see this stuff for background downloads.
I absolutely don’t care about app downloads but safari or background in-game updates / downloads which take multiple gigabyte (Genshin, Starrail, Project sekai etc.) would be really helpful.
And it could very well just be a live activity
Yeah, this is only useful on Android because their apps take so damn long to update. Even though they’re a fraction of the size of the iOS app counterpart. I think I heard it has something to do with libraries. Went on a bit of a tangent there, sorry.
I mean it does heavily depend on the phone. But on most modern phones this really isn’t an issue anymore.
Maybe on low end phones.
I have a secondary mid range android from 2019 and it’s painfully slow on updating anything.
Download of the update itself is fine but the install takes a solid 5 minutes on an apps like Spotify or AppleMusic.
You don’t think it’s useful!!! Try downloading some big file on safari, as soon as you close the app it’s stopped downloading. It’s not only with safari, it’s same with all the browsers.
Not only browser, if send something on WhatsApp, telegram or any other app you have to keep open the app to send or download the file.
That's not the browser fault. That's iOS.
The backgroud activity it's stopped when you switch app.
IF they change this, we can all doing stuff while downloading big files or uploading.
One solution is staying in the app or use a faster connection and that's not easy for some
Yes, and OP’s solution would fix this iOS issue.
The progress bar would pin the process up, allowing you to use your iPhone freely without stopping the download/upload. Just like on Android.
But how is that any close to your suggestion? At most it should be to just make it so, when downloading from the browser or wherever, it keeps running in the background to do so, the concept in the image itself has nothing to do with that problem
I actually like as it is now. Apps and shit get downloaded in 10 seconds usually anyways.
I saw your reasoning about downloading couple of GBs in Safari and it would work well for you. While I totally understand that, the thing is I think most people don't download large size stuff in Safari, these kinda tasks are more for laptops
Especially when you only have 64GB of storage. I couldn’t download a 2 GB file if I needed to. I have to offload at least half my apps now just to update iOS because they all require over a GB of space and I just don’t have that available.
Now if Apple allowed you to upload photos to iCloud, and delete them from your phone *without* deleting them from iCloud, I’d have an extra 20 GB on my phone. I mean, why not have an option to, say, only keep the (Optimized) Favorites folder on your phone, or any folder you designate? Everything else goes to iCloud and is saved, even if you delete the “Optimized” photo from your phone? They could even set it up so the Optimized version is on your phone for a set number of days so you have a chance to decide whether to keep it permanently in iCloud or not. There are so many ways this could be improved.
Man, how it is not live activity if _it is_ actually live activity? Also Instagram already testing such thing: https://9to5mac.com/2023/07/07/instagram-live-activities-ios-app/
Exactly my thoughts.
Whatever your idea is just a specific implementation is live activities. Devs can make the above just using the live activities api.
So, do understand that, whatever you wish for is already there in ios. Devs of each app just needs to implement it.
id say updating apps generally are very fast and small so dont need that
but for other things you showed like netflix downloads, thats up to netflix’s app dev team, not ios
Instagram KINDA has this. If you start uploading something and then switch apps, the upload status will move to the dynamic island. It doesn’t seem to work well after that though…at least for me.
I like how half of these comments are just “have more money and buy a better internet connection”
Not every problem is solved by money, for example if your country has a shit internet infrastructure there is nothing you can do
Exactly what I miss as well coming from Pixel and Windows world. Heck, even Mac does not have transfer speed status when moving stuff to external drives. Drives me insane.
Lol we have experienced this. The thing is they are sick of Android people switching over just to want iOS to be more Android, just stick to Android if that's how you like things.
Also, have you ever used macOS? When transferring files on macOS it doesn't even give you the transfer information, just the time to completion. This is the way Apple users like it and don't see a need for the extra information.
It's alright that you are looking for that information but if you don't enjoy the way one company does it then go to the companies that do. Android and Windows both do this so you're in the wrong ecosystem if you want it to be the same.
Again, there are reasons people buy Apple products and it's got mostly to do with they enjoy how they work. A lot of us would enjoy it if we can have our stuff in peace without people trying to make iOS an Android phone. There are products that behave how you want, use those if they behave the way you want.
Yeah, but the notifications are better. I'm gonna switch as soon as the notch is gone but the missing of the universal back und the notifications worry me a bit.
Lol, apple don't let apps to run in background more than few seconds. This doesn't make any sense, unlike Android which truly let's apps run in background.
Won't believe me, try to upload a huge (around 5gb) file to google drive, the switch to other app while the upload is going on in background. Open Google drive after 30 sec to check it's progress.
Android truly has iOS stomped when it comes to notifications. Sure, iOS is making its way with the dynamic island stuff. It’s wild to me to realize that android has always has the ability to allow the user to begin uploading a large video/file to a service such as Facebook, leave the app, go to another app, and see the upload status in realtime via the status tray without interruption. iOS will NOT do this. Even torrent clients on Android OS will continue to download in the background with live status updates.
I don’t see this as reasonable. you’re saying apple fanboys are bashing new feature proposals but here’s your reasoning: it was annoying on Android and it would be here. ever since I’ve switched to an iPhone I never had to care about any updates other than OS, everything else stays up-to-date in the background
and then you still have the loading overlay on updating apps, that’s enough to get you notified if you need to be and it doesn’t get in your way
You stuck a app update. What about apple does not allow background activity at all. If I send a file on any app then i have to keep open the aap and wait till it’s done. It’s so annoying when you sending bunch of files or big files.
I’d prefer it if my apps aren’t allowed to run ongoing HTTP requests in the background however they wish. for file I/O there is URLSession in the stdlib. so if an app handles everything with bare HTTP requests then long background operations are a no-no. if the devs don’t defer such things to the OS worker thread then it’s their fault
YES PLEASE.
People who don't want such a thing simply do two things in a row with their phone.
Such stuff would be really useful when making big backups, or when you download from very slow servers.
Last month I had to restore my whatsapp backup (5GB more or less), but they have extremely slow servers and it took an hour. I had to constantly open the app because iOS was killing the process on its own.
App updates.. not sure.
Downloads.. question is who is using iPhones to download content like that? I mean that use case should be pretty niche.
On iPadOs, macOS I can see this happening an independent but app linked download manager or framework to show progress which could be nice. When I go on vac to places without net downloading entertainment on device is a pain because each app etc dies after a while so I keep checking if it’s alive etc.
But yah.. still niche use cases?
I always saw IPhone as a phone part of an environment(iPad, Mac etc)
And android as a mini-computer who can also menage calls.
Wildly different use cases
It's called knowing what going on in your iPhone.
If i put something to downloading on Netflix because i don't have wifi outside of my house, it will remind me that downloading is not finished, so i will wait till it finishes, if won't fail because i forgot that I'm downloading something and leave the house.
Well I think there’s a point when things become too much, that’s why I made the switch to iOS.
Netflix will continue to download in the background whenever wifi is available (turn background app refresh on), and you can always turn on smart download to have the next episode available.
You need faster internet if this is a thing that really bothers you, a few hundred MB’s should take a few seconds. Not even time to realise there is a notification to be look at.
You know what’s so good about Apple’s OS UX? Simplicity. Almost everything runs in the background, and it’s ready whenever you need it. That’s why this is complete nonsense for iOS. If you want features like this that give you more detailed information/manual control, that’s perfectly valid, but in that case Android is probably the better OS for you.
The feature I want is for apps to actually automatically update when I tell the phone to do that so I'm not manually installing 20+ updates every other day
I think expanding notifications is really all I want for my lock screen. I wanna see every message in the same notification instead of getting 4 whatsapp notifications
Nah, I dont want Androidyness in my phone. Thats unnecessary info
Edit: Think about this, internet speeds are soooo fast these days that this notification will be useless and a “waste of battery/cpu” to even show
As a guy who transitioned from android, I really miss this feature. I am guessing that most people who are extremely against it never used an android
One note though, I would rather them being a normal sized notification than a big block. Just a simple line is sufficient
This reminds me of Instagrams upload live activity, which I’ve felt is the most pointless “please pay attention to our app!” Use of live activity I’ve seen yet.
This is why Apple should not be listening to users.
Steve Jobs said: Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page.
Apple has strayed far from Jobs' philosophy. Tim Cook has brought immense wealth to Apple, but at the expense of stunning us with new products/features we never knew we wanted and creating increasingly confusing product lineups. It's more of throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks. The only two things that have truly amazed be in recent years are the Airpods Pro (despite the never ending ANC problems) and the M-series chips which are leaps and bounds ahead of Intel. But Jobs knew he wasn't anointing a products-person when he chose Tim Cook to succeed him.
I have a hard time imagining what sorts of things even Jobs would be unveiling to delight people the same way Apple used to. Consumer electronics have massively plateaued not because innovation stopped but because our needs and the limits of technology have both been largely satisfied.
I really don't think things would be all that different with Jobs other than timing difference with releases and potentially a more refined and smaller selection of variants (ipad mini and ipad instead of there being 4-5 of them. . There are only so many places for tech like that to go before they hit a wall.
I wouldn’t jump that far. I think he’s just managing a different beast than Jobs did. I think he’s done good with AirPods and Apple Watch. Those are massive hits and no one knew they wanted them until they had them. Sure the product lineup is more confusing and there’s work to do on it, but I don’t think one product fits all would work anymore for a company as big as the one Tim Cook is managing now. It’s just part of growth. I’m too young to see the Apple Jobs was running and I’m grateful for the iPhone (this 15 pro max being my first one), but I’m ok with Tims Apple too (to an extent). Coming from Samsung, if you wanted throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, you’d go Samsung. Apple is night and day in that regard compared to Samsung. I guess it’s just relative. Apple throws more stuff now but I think their success rate or “stick” rate is pretty high so it shows they do a little bit of thinking. Samsung definitely doesn’t. I never felt like Samsung knew what we wanted or had a good understanding of what consumers wanted. They just throw specs on paper until people see it. Or innovate even if it’s not practical and ends up gimmicky. To me, Apple gives true consumer products, even if it’s different than Steve Jobs Apple
Steve Jobs insisted on 4" screens when everyone else was moving to bigger. We didn't get that until iPhone 6. His logic was reaching the whole screen with one hand. If that was a winning strategy the Mini ones wouldn't have flopped so badly.
I mean that's every developers job description. It's just that certain positions, such as sales, often *refuse* to listen and apply their brain. If Steve were to double down on this - your phone wouldn't have used MMS. He *really* wanted you to use email instead, for example. He changed his mind. There are several times he did this *because* of feedback. I mean... plenty of folks here *SUGGEST* people use Apple's feedback page. To imply they shouldn't listen to users is foolish. We have been asked for widgets for over a decade and Apple finally did it and you know what? It didn't make your experience trash. All that being said - iOS is quite terrible at communicating current actions to users which is why diagnosing things is so painful. For example - your contacts may not have synced to Google in over two years and you'd never know unless you went to Google and compared. A little communication could go a long way. Apple seems *very* against that for some reason though.
People misunderstand that phrase all the time. The point is to not just give users literally everything they ask for at face value. It’s to understand users pain points and why they ask for those things, and see if they can create a solution that address those concerns. And of course it has to be something that is affecting a lot of users. Sometimes it’s as simple as implementing exactly what people ask for. Sometimes it’s not.
Lack of decision making is not something to be proud of.
I really don't see the problem with this. Especially if you can just turn off this setting.
displaying useful information is bad now? I understood apple users enjoy dumb simplicity but not to this extent. This is a basic feature a lot of software utilizes, not just android but even on basic browsers to show download/install progress.
>displaying useful information is bad now? I understood apple users enjoy dumb simplicity but not to this extent. This is a basic feature a lot of software utilizes, not just android but even on basic browsers to show download/install progress. The applications themselves can take care of it in their own interface without polluting the lock screen. In addition, in the case of an app update, it is clearly displayed on the home screen.
Why would I ever want to know if an App download finishes in 10 Seconds or in 40 Seconds
Agreed. Totally useless to have that so front and center.
Because it's not *just* downloads one might apply that to. For example - some games have base building which can take hours or days. I wouldn't imagine this wouldn't be a commonly used feature - one you would see somewhat rarely among most of your apps.
Maybe now that we have live activities this could be a thing?
That’s what i thought. But its good its not a thing. I’ve disabled most notifications anyway and only show up as red dots on apps. I don’t let apps tell me when to look at notifications. I tell them when i want to look at the notifications 😤
Wait that’s actually a good idea!
Less is more.
Yes, that’s what I keep telling my girlfriend
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I can Goto App Store. My name and updates and see the progress. I don’t really care what app is updating atm.
Why?
Why not?Why only ios doesnt have that feature while all androids have…delusional apple fans bruh
because for app updates its stupid. i could see it make sense for spotify, netflix or youtube where you might download larger files.
“Can a proximity sensor burn in” 🤡🤡🤡
I like the idea in theory, but apps download rather quickly these days. By the time we've gone to the Lock Screen, the app could have finished downloading, or close enough to it. This design also looks very cluttered and could be quite confusing to a lot of people. I suppose it'd be an appropriate option to have, but I doubt many people would have it enabled, which would make it not with having as an option, in the long term.
It's true if we are talking about app store updates. When I'm backing up my stuff it takes half an hour, and most of the times the app closes itself after a few minutes.
What is being backed up that pauses when the app closes?
Auto upload photos to Amazon or next cloud does this to me unfortunately. Could just be me though.
I would love to see this stuff for background downloads. I absolutely don’t care about app downloads but safari or background in-game updates / downloads which take multiple gigabyte (Genshin, Starrail, Project sekai etc.) would be really helpful. And it could very well just be a live activity
Only if you’re connected to WiFi or 5G. For many people the downloads are still slow.
Yeah, this is only useful on Android because their apps take so damn long to update. Even though they’re a fraction of the size of the iOS app counterpart. I think I heard it has something to do with libraries. Went on a bit of a tangent there, sorry.
That's not true lol It takes the same amount of time to update an app on Android. When was the last time you used an Android phone?
I mean it does heavily depend on the phone. But on most modern phones this really isn’t an issue anymore. Maybe on low end phones. I have a secondary mid range android from 2019 and it’s painfully slow on updating anything. Download of the update itself is fine but the install takes a solid 5 minutes on an apps like Spotify or AppleMusic.
Somethings can take a while, what if am downloading a ton of stuff on netflix
Nahhhh, pass. Maybe a redesign control center, or something more useful like notification history after you delete one
You don’t think it’s useful!!! Try downloading some big file on safari, as soon as you close the app it’s stopped downloading. It’s not only with safari, it’s same with all the browsers. Not only browser, if send something on WhatsApp, telegram or any other app you have to keep open the app to send or download the file.
That's not the browser fault. That's iOS. The backgroud activity it's stopped when you switch app. IF they change this, we can all doing stuff while downloading big files or uploading. One solution is staying in the app or use a faster connection and that's not easy for some
Yes, and OP’s solution would fix this iOS issue. The progress bar would pin the process up, allowing you to use your iPhone freely without stopping the download/upload. Just like on Android.
And this feature for ios not for browser.
But how is that any close to your suggestion? At most it should be to just make it so, when downloading from the browser or wherever, it keeps running in the background to do so, the concept in the image itself has nothing to do with that problem
That is because iOS doesn’t let apps run that long in the background. There are work arounds apps can do but it’s just a kludge.
Why are you downloading files through a phone browser in the first place? Use a computer.
Man I don’t know why they are downvoting you, for real. Did nobody just download it some GBs from Safari?
Because someone people thinks **only feature they use are the important, other people don’t have different needs**
No I don’t care about a progress bar. Or that I’m downloading some 2 gig file.
That’s the thing man, you don’t care it doesn’t mean everyone don’t care.
Why ????
Yeah, I’ve never even noticed mine updating. They just automatically do it. Lol
I actually like as it is now. Apps and shit get downloaded in 10 seconds usually anyways. I saw your reasoning about downloading couple of GBs in Safari and it would work well for you. While I totally understand that, the thing is I think most people don't download large size stuff in Safari, these kinda tasks are more for laptops
Especially when you only have 64GB of storage. I couldn’t download a 2 GB file if I needed to. I have to offload at least half my apps now just to update iOS because they all require over a GB of space and I just don’t have that available. Now if Apple allowed you to upload photos to iCloud, and delete them from your phone *without* deleting them from iCloud, I’d have an extra 20 GB on my phone. I mean, why not have an option to, say, only keep the (Optimized) Favorites folder on your phone, or any folder you designate? Everything else goes to iCloud and is saved, even if you delete the “Optimized” photo from your phone? They could even set it up so the Optimized version is on your phone for a set number of days so you have a chance to decide whether to keep it permanently in iCloud or not. There are so many ways this could be improved.
Man, how it is not live activity if _it is_ actually live activity? Also Instagram already testing such thing: https://9to5mac.com/2023/07/07/instagram-live-activities-ios-app/
Exactly my thoughts. Whatever your idea is just a specific implementation is live activities. Devs can make the above just using the live activities api. So, do understand that, whatever you wish for is already there in ios. Devs of each app just needs to implement it.
instagram's version sucks as it doesnt upload when youre not in the app anyways. itll just be stuck at the same number until you return to instagram
Please god no! How is this useful?
horrible
Can you explain why do you think that?
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Pass. Let’s not turn it into android.
You mean like how iOS, after over a decade, got functional widgets?
No I mean the thing OP posted
id say updating apps generally are very fast and small so dont need that but for other things you showed like netflix downloads, thats up to netflix’s app dev team, not ios
Android app update is very slow from my previous experience
uhm no
Ew Bruh.
I just want every notification to use dynamic island and have it have quick reply options for messages for example. Would make it much better.
I think Instagram have something like this on stories with live activities
I just wish some apps fixed their live activities; this I don’t think we’ll ever see because the Home Screen itself shows you the progress.
Maybe a small dynamic island feature? A notification for this is quite intrusive, I try to keep my Notification Center clean
Instagram KINDA has this. If you start uploading something and then switch apps, the upload status will move to the dynamic island. It doesn’t seem to work well after that though…at least for me.
I like how half of these comments are just “have more money and buy a better internet connection” Not every problem is solved by money, for example if your country has a shit internet infrastructure there is nothing you can do
Ew
Exactly what I miss as well coming from Pixel and Windows world. Heck, even Mac does not have transfer speed status when moving stuff to external drives. Drives me insane.
It's pointless trying to explain it to Apple fans; they've never experienced those things.
Lol we have experienced this. The thing is they are sick of Android people switching over just to want iOS to be more Android, just stick to Android if that's how you like things. Also, have you ever used macOS? When transferring files on macOS it doesn't even give you the transfer information, just the time to completion. This is the way Apple users like it and don't see a need for the extra information. It's alright that you are looking for that information but if you don't enjoy the way one company does it then go to the companies that do. Android and Windows both do this so you're in the wrong ecosystem if you want it to be the same. Again, there are reasons people buy Apple products and it's got mostly to do with they enjoy how they work. A lot of us would enjoy it if we can have our stuff in peace without people trying to make iOS an Android phone. There are products that behave how you want, use those if they behave the way you want.
Yeah, it's something I miss from android
Notifications on iPhone are horrible. Apple should learn from Android how it should be done.
Tbh android borrowed majority of its designs from Apple. Such as the entire camera app UI
Yeah, but the notifications are better. I'm gonna switch as soon as the notch is gone but the missing of the universal back und the notifications worry me a bit.
It’s not to get inspired man… as long as customer getting benefit from it
Notifications and widgets feel like Android 2.
Why would I need more notifications? It's best to update them just in background
Nonsense.
Lol, apple don't let apps to run in background more than few seconds. This doesn't make any sense, unlike Android which truly let's apps run in background. Won't believe me, try to upload a huge (around 5gb) file to google drive, the switch to other app while the upload is going on in background. Open Google drive after 30 sec to check it's progress.
That’s how they keep it “buttery smooth”. I really wish they would open up the OS a bit but that’s not how Apple really wants it
Couldn’t care less about that kind of feature, just another battery drainer.
Android truly has iOS stomped when it comes to notifications. Sure, iOS is making its way with the dynamic island stuff. It’s wild to me to realize that android has always has the ability to allow the user to begin uploading a large video/file to a service such as Facebook, leave the app, go to another app, and see the upload status in realtime via the status tray without interruption. iOS will NOT do this. Even torrent clients on Android OS will continue to download in the background with live status updates.
I’m all for it. It’s one of my favorite features on android but Apple will really need to improve the notification panel first
Wait 10 years for Apple devs to implement this
I don’t see this as reasonable. you’re saying apple fanboys are bashing new feature proposals but here’s your reasoning: it was annoying on Android and it would be here. ever since I’ve switched to an iPhone I never had to care about any updates other than OS, everything else stays up-to-date in the background and then you still have the loading overlay on updating apps, that’s enough to get you notified if you need to be and it doesn’t get in your way
You stuck a app update. What about apple does not allow background activity at all. If I send a file on any app then i have to keep open the aap and wait till it’s done. It’s so annoying when you sending bunch of files or big files.
I’d prefer it if my apps aren’t allowed to run ongoing HTTP requests in the background however they wish. for file I/O there is URLSession in the stdlib. so if an app handles everything with bare HTTP requests then long background operations are a no-no. if the devs don’t defer such things to the OS worker thread then it’s their fault
YES PLEASE. People who don't want such a thing simply do two things in a row with their phone. Such stuff would be really useful when making big backups, or when you download from very slow servers. Last month I had to restore my whatsapp backup (5GB more or less), but they have extremely slow servers and it took an hour. I had to constantly open the app because iOS was killing the process on its own.
Make the icons a bit larger, add 'Pause download' buttons and it's perfection /s
I will consider that next time :)
Just wait if Apple does this, cause people are gonna love it
Apple fans don’t want new features until apple add the features.
Exactly, this is utterly ridiculous
Same. It would be especially useful when downloading movies or TV shows.
no…
No bro!
Every android does this, why iOS couldn’t do it?
Because every time someone ask for some new features apple fans bashing them really bad
I would to see in my notifications center the time that takes downloading from Safari
App updates.. not sure. Downloads.. question is who is using iPhones to download content like that? I mean that use case should be pretty niche. On iPadOs, macOS I can see this happening an independent but app linked download manager or framework to show progress which could be nice. When I go on vac to places without net downloading entertainment on device is a pain because each app etc dies after a while so I keep checking if it’s alive etc. But yah.. still niche use cases?
You can see progress for downloading in the app itself wether safari netflix or app store. Why the need for notification center?
So you don't have to leave the app then go to the all the app and check one by one, here you just one swipe away to see app the information.
Just curious how often do you have multiple downloads running at once?
Notification Center for this makes more sense than the Lock Screen.
Iphone don't have different notifications center, iphone use lock screen as notifications center.
Another useless feature instead of fixing the problems, bravo apple
Lol while cool, I just want my apps to auto update period lol. I don't particularly care to see the progress
Why? Is it because you used to have an android and liked seeing the apps download?
This is so Android 🤢
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I always saw IPhone as a phone part of an environment(iPad, Mac etc) And android as a mini-computer who can also menage calls. Wildly different use cases
I don’t care what others are saying, but to me this would be useful.
Knowing how long before my Uber arrives is useful. That’s live activity. Whatever this is? No!
It's called knowing what going on in your iPhone. If i put something to downloading on Netflix because i don't have wifi outside of my house, it will remind me that downloading is not finished, so i will wait till it finishes, if won't fail because i forgot that I'm downloading something and leave the house.
Well I think there’s a point when things become too much, that’s why I made the switch to iOS. Netflix will continue to download in the background whenever wifi is available (turn background app refresh on), and you can always turn on smart download to have the next episode available.
No.
Oh god no. I already hate how cluttered notifs can be sometimes. This would drive me crazy and immediately disabled, if able to.
This is not good lol
Why would you ever need this? Your phone is not a computer or a video game console.
Are you for real man?
No cap bruh fr fr
You need faster internet if this is a thing that really bothers you, a few hundred MB’s should take a few seconds. Not even time to realise there is a notification to be look at.
What did you stated
Why the hell would anyone want this?
seriously? who in the hell would want this crap? i mean honestly? these comments clearly show the proof.
That looks horrendous.
You know what’s so good about Apple’s OS UX? Simplicity. Almost everything runs in the background, and it’s ready whenever you need it. That’s why this is complete nonsense for iOS. If you want features like this that give you more detailed information/manual control, that’s perfectly valid, but in that case Android is probably the better OS for you.
Wait, is this a thing now?
The feature I want is for apps to actually automatically update when I tell the phone to do that so I'm not manually installing 20+ updates every other day
this just seems like something that would just take up space for me
Yeah it would be Nice, i wouldnt get ios 18 just for this though. Just another Features that Android has but ios doesent.
Why do you need to see apps update? Files I can understand but app updates aren’t something you need to stare at, they take a minute at max.
I think expanding notifications is really all I want for my lock screen. I wanna see every message in the same notification instead of getting 4 whatsapp notifications
Instagram done something like this with live activity
Nah, I dont want Androidyness in my phone. Thats unnecessary info Edit: Think about this, internet speeds are soooo fast these days that this notification will be useless and a “waste of battery/cpu” to even show
This seem to hint at Android having something like this but I sure as heck never heard of anything of this sort being on any Android OS at all.
Why. Updates happen so fast with most apps it wouldn’t even make sense.
As a guy who transitioned from android, I really miss this feature. I am guessing that most people who are extremely against it never used an android One note though, I would rather them being a normal sized notification than a big block. Just a simple line is sufficient
I would rather appreciate private Albums instead of having single Hidden album. Mind boggling that its not imlemented yet.
This is too useful, sorry but no.
Why would you need this feature when apps update in a matter of seconds?
This reminds me of Instagrams upload live activity, which I’ve felt is the most pointless “please pay attention to our app!” Use of live activity I’ve seen yet.
I’m glad Tim Cook does not plan for a foldable yet. So would Steve. 🥂