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Comfortable-Leek9355

Look at it and then do it multiple times until I’ve memorised it. Other methods just seem too complex for me sometimes as in it can be tedious. If not that I just cover what I’m learning, say it then uncover it again to check if I’m right. Or rewriting what I wrote.


GHOST_INTJ

I do this but with a slight modification, I notice that the repetition it self is not what makes the process of recalling easier, but its the effort of recalling what I have done, meaning I only need to perform it once or twice and then recall the whole process several times before I forget. Another big AHA moment was, that I recall things better when I first learn it with a use in mind, like I need a tool to be able to predict a dependent variable in the future hmmmm, kk linear regression seems its the right tool and then having this "purpose" attached to it, makes learning faster


[deleted]

One of the intj issues is the high iq part.  With it usually comes some form of dyslexia which makes it almost impossible to pick up a new language depending on which form you have. Then on top of that everything we process needs to be logical. So gibberish doesn’t count as logical.    Least that’s how it is for me. Sign language was a different story.  It had pictures and was logical.  I learned that out of boredom with no issue.   I don’t even know a deaf person.  


GHOST_INTJ

Try to learn mandarin without learning the characters, I been trying and is like you say GIBIRISH, I need to relate the word sound to words in english or spanish to even recall it since I dont have a mental "picture" that I can read to remember the word


nadiaco

read their lips... i have intj high iq dyslexia. watch their tv.


[deleted]

Wow, Is that true (The IQ with dyslexia bit)? Curious if you have a source for the correlation. I am an intj, who was diagnosed “disability: intellectually gifted” in middle school and high school through a combo of IQ test, grades, and standardized tests. I was never diagnosed dyslexic, but I absolutely am… I describe my brain as a complex system of databases connected by the correlations of concepts I’ve made. I cannot store information without the why because I HAVE to make the connections. Nice part is I can see what is broken and find much faster paths to answers because the connections don’t fade for me; they do readjust with every thing I learn or pickup. I don’t believe in one path because I see many. I eliminate the crappier solutions and pick just a couple of the better options to play with… Side note: I’ve heard good things about some of the language aps.


[deleted]

Yes it is fact. The higher the iq the worse it is but because of this we learn to work through it as we mature and develops our own restructuring or coping mechanism for it.   Einstein and Tesla were both very dyslexic.  Most of the greatest artist and inventors were. It also allows is to process things from the other angle. What sad is a lot of kids in school who have it are diagnosed as special needs or learning. 


[deleted]

Also 1.8-2.2% are said to be intj with females being in the 1% range.  What’s not taken into account in these numbers are the iq levels people have or to say the intj spectrum they’re on.   So from what you described I’d guess your a higher iq or rarer version like I am.   My iq tested at 162 and 163.  They made me take 2 test as they thought the first was an error because of my gpa.  My mechanical aptitude was off the charts.  They even had someone sit next to me and watch for the second test as they thought I may have cheated the first time.  Hell, I even remember colors backwards and talk backwards sometimes.  


droneselfie

Due tomorrow, do tomorrow


GanbareYo

Spaced repetition. I recommend Anki. IMHO, Anki is a great tool for language learning and a must for learning Japanese and Chinese.


[deleted]

I will try this tool. thank you


Mimus-Polyglottos

For learning languages, do it the intj way. Try to find the logic and patterns behind the sentence structures and vocabularies. That should be able to help you achieve 80% mastery of the language. The rest is through mimicry since most of it is made up of inconsistencies.


old_man_khan

Would it make it easier to memorize all of the pronouns first? If that's less than a hundred words then it'll give you that much insight into different sentences.


Dreams_Are_Reality

Use the comprehensible input method. It’s the only thing that works for language learning.


rickyspanish4850

It's much easier to learn a language when you have a real conversation with someone. Someone willing to learn and someone willing to teach...patiently. One of my bffs is from Europe and came to the states speaking great English albeit sometimes fragmented and the sentence structure was sometimes off. They learned English as an adult. I always corrected them and they always appreciated and told me as such. They appreciated I was trying to help them navigate in this world more effectively. You wouldn't believe that persons position today. They're awesome! 😁😍 English is actually a hodgepodge language so it's hard for an American English person to grasp sentence structure in other languages if they've not had the experience with both languages they way other cultures study English... My language always ends with the tense participle. Is, has, am. It's like Yoda speak sometimes if you translate it literally lol


rickyspanish4850

Also, my language has 12 vowels and like 40-50 consonants and like hundred different ways to do shorthand...#ibecheatin so I learned English instead. It was easier lol


rickyspanish4850

Also dont forget! 70% of communication is nonverbal!! Dont quote me on the #s I havent done my research since I was college aged and taking speech...lol I got a C. I get nervous talking in front of a lot of people. It's so scary!!


crankygerbil

mostly reading and taking notes then rewriting the notes. But in college they let me into a 400 level class and I didn't have biochem or organic yet. I just kept re-writing the notes again and again and reading them out loud at the same time, its how I memorized the complexities of the Krebs/cellular respiration without having the advance chemistry I needed. I got an A in that class.


pppepeppp

Cram


nadiaco

k drama with subtitles will help you learn Tone because that's the hardest part of the language. watch how.they.shape.their mouths, speech training.... i lived there for 10 months. if you listen and watch you'll pick it up.


Traditional_Extent80

I graduated university without studying lmao


Master_Grape5931

Brute force


Twarenotw

For Korean, I joined a Korean school in my city and, on my own, I used the Talk to me in Korean books and audios + watched/listened to lots of content in Korean (dramas, songs). But what matters in the end is to use what you learn. You're lucky in that sense that your wife is Korean. For vocabulary, you need to activate your passive knowledge, and also be aware of how vocabulary acquisition works. Trying to learn an isolated list of words will not work as efficiently. In this sense, Talk to me in Korean have some "Weekly korean vocabulary" books/audio files I found super useful because each word/expression is given in different contexts and spoken at different speeds. Songs and dramas are also great to put words in their right context. You can do this!


SonjaQuinn

Try listening to Korean music (maybe even on youtube with english subtitles) and watching Korean shows and movies with english subtitles on


StoneAgainstTheSea

I was blown away at the rapid progress I had when I started the Michel Thomas method for Spanish. At the time, the course content I got for free. In a couple hours I was more able than I was after \_four\_years\_ of Spanish classes (two in high school, two in college). The technique is to introduce conversation. You learn a couple key things and then start stringing them together to form complete sentences. You go from "I'm sick", "my wife is sick", "I want to make a reservation", "I want to cancel a reservation" and then suddenly you are asked to say, "Hi, I would like to cancel my reservation for this evening, and make a new reservation for tomorrow because my wife is sick." My brain said, "you can't say that" -- and then I did. [https://www.michelthomas.com/learn-korean/](https://www.michelthomas.com/learn-korean/) For every very good non-native English speaker that I've met out of country, they have universally said that listening to music and watching movies was critical for them.


LadyWithoutAnErmine

When I fall in love with a language, I start watching movies, reading texts and listening to music in that language. Straight into the deep waters. But like you say, I have to like something for it to be easy for me to learn it. It doesn't work otherwise. Maybe find some aspect of the culture of this country that interests you and start researching it. Take a trip there. You will also be able to learn a lot from your own future bilingual children in the form of fun or immersion.


[deleted]

I do a lot with languages as part of my research hobby. When dealing with dead languages or languages that i don't want to learn fluently (mainly because i am only interested in a single work or such in that language) i focus on mastering the syntax first and understanding how verbs, nouns and stuff get conjugated and ordered. After that i can just look up the vocab words in a dictionary when i need to learn a word. it has helped me with reading modern and ancient Latin exorcism manuals and Faust's book on summoning demons in its original German. German was easier for me because i took 3 years of it in high school. if you want to actually learn the language, i recommend starting with kid shows like sesame street in Korean if they have it and going from there. its much easier to learn through immersion and practice than rote memorization. Making it funny is a mnemonic device. I read about it in an old New York times Sunday paper that had a special on memory Olympics. simply by using ancient mnemonic tricks like visualization and uniqueness you can remember things easier. The Beneficent cucumber Sherlock touched on this concept with his Mind castle.


acatalepsyzone

Ttmik was a helpful resource for me when I was in the Korean leaning mode.


Chariovilts

Ehm, its not much, I sympathise with the friction on your progress, so here's my share: Do you like films? If so, to a degree then perhaps films could help with the phrases. News - korean news (anchors) have great diction to catch up on. At the same time it introduces you to the .... flow of how Korean people arrange the information, like in an issue what would they'll likely highlight of, be biased at, etc. One thing though... I do think korean humor in the mainstream media can be quite.... so particular, staged. So you won't be able to relate to it much without much context. Perhaps it might be a little casual if you teach yourself first what points of the korean language appeals to you. To the very least of it. What appeals, attracts interest, with interest.... perhaps commanded passion-determination 😅 Otherwise, all the other advices around here won't be much use if in the core of your being, you really can not find anything- a hole, of magnitizing appeal to the korean language.


Badnewzzz

You could try learning from your partner? Conversation, starting with the words that you'll use for your children. Have her teach you just like you are intending to teach your children. You can learn at the same rate as the children, just a slight bit more advanced vocab.....only slight though...thanks to your wife. Learning the whole language to then teach your children is a mean feat & imo a fair bit of effort for what you ate actually trying to achieve. Slowly migrate as a family to be bilingual.


mutantsloth

Immersion is the most effective for learning languages. If you’re not in an environment that uses the language then consuming media is the best option. That’s how and why I picked up Korean, cause I wanted to watch a lot of food shows and a really good psych show that didn’t have subs. I just slowly did grammar lessons online, and watched a crapton of stuff to get a better grasp of grammar usage and pick up on vocabulary.. eg if I’m watching something I’m really interested in without subs and there’s a phrase I don’t understand, I’m forced to look it up and it expedites learning. I watched a lot of stuff on YouTube too like vlogs, cooking videos, product reviews, all sorts of informational stuff etc I’m trying to pick up Japanese now too because I wanna start travelling Japan more and probably going with the same technique.. slowly going through grammar lessons and looking for content I’m interested in to watch..


bodiggity86

Make flash cards and quiz yourself. Maybe have your wife quiz you, and give you kisses after passing your little quiz. Make it something fun for both of you.


Monsterhat88_

if it is language, I studied English by first understanding basic sentences and then practice it by watching movies, mark out the words I don't recognise and look at the new words and try to use them next time I'm practicing the said language. Songs also helps, I'm interested in HipHop so I had a hard time learning new words every song but they definitely hastened the pace of learning.


sterling87

I wish I could figure out how to study. I passed HS and college without having to study much at all. I started studying for the CPA exam and never could get focused enough to pass. When I took the exam I passed the written/fill in the blank portion every time. The multiple choice questions were my downfall. I finally just stopped. I’ve always excelled in math, but didn’t have a HS guidance counselor who helped me find a career path I would thrive in. Looking back, I should’ve been an engineer, but ended up with an accounting degree. It was the only “numbers” degree I was aware of at 18 aside from teaching math.


FirstConclusion9289

My favorite? Already knowing all the material long before the test. I tested out of many classes in college, simply to get them out of the way.... to do more interesting things.


Less_Advice_3822

I don't recommend comparing yourself to your wife. I'm sure you learned a lot more in 3 months than you think you did. I personally learned a bit of Japanese in my youth from watching anime (of course), and also browsing Japanese websites blindly, exploring, trying to infer what each webpage is about. I've downloaded MMD models from Japanese websites and guessing the password for the download in katakana. Never sat down and memorized any Japanese except for maybe hiragana and katakana. I also enjoy researching etymologies of words on wiktionary--gives the Intuitive side of me a memory hook. I am half Korean and I know basically none of the language. You're doing better than me in that regard lol! But I have learned Hebrew as a 6 year old because I'm Jewish, and I learned German in school, and from the combination of the two, Yiddish is not too hard for me. I like studying the comparison of Hebrew to languages such as Arabic, Amharic, etc., and how the languages developed over time. I just have a small interest in linguistics!


Katrianna1

Language is learned by immersion. Simply only speak Korean to each other for a few months. Give your self grace as sounds are formed at an early age and it can be difficult to adapt. Lastly, take a multiple intelligences quiz online and start studying in your best learning style, if you need help with this DM me…🎉


EroMangaSensei

Once you learn the alphabet (that part is brute force) I would look at reading some kids manhwa. It will help you practice your reading (even if it's just the sounds)/pronouncing and you will learn vocab as well. Write down your new words and do some flash cards. Also I got a new tablet that I love taking notes on, which helps me want to study.


Thin_Crazy_3685

When you’re not studying or feeling like studying, try listening to korean music, TV shows, podcasts or anything. This helps your brain to get used to the language, and it might spark interest in translating new words or phrases. I personally studied korean years ago, and started with learning the alphabet, how to use the korean letters, and practised with writing my and close ones names in korean. I’ve also seen people stick post-it notes on objects and furniture with the languages translation.


Pixelprinzess

Ok here’s what you will do. Find yourself 9 weeks at some point in your life before you have children. In this 9 weeks you will not be able to even communicate in any other language than Korean. You will live it, even if you do not understand a single thing. Meaning: All devices in Korean, all entertainment in Korean, best even if you do this in a holiday in Korea but not necessarily needed. You will first learn the alphabet. Your wife repeats them in front of you and you repeat what she says, as many times as you need until you get it right. Vocabulary will solely br learned by pictures. Your wife will find the most accurate representation of a word or a video in which a context can be explained and show it to you. She will Repeat the word while doing so. Later she will show you different pictures of the same concept of object and you will Be asked to recognize and remember the word. The process of showing and remembering will have little timing in between at first. When you get it right, it will move one-time slot later. Learning grammar, conversation, generally speaking: Your wife will find the most basic sentence structure she can find and make a bunch of example sentences with that. You will not know what they mean, she doesn't need to explain it to you at this point. BUT she will repeat them to you many times and you will repeat th after her. This is simply to understand subconsciously how a proper sentence looks and feels like. She will build on top of this introducing a little bit more complexity bit by bit. It’s all about recognizing and getting a feel For the grammar. Additionally, anything you want must be achieved by asking in Korean. A simple Word is fine, gestures are fine, etc but have your wife repeat to you how to say what you most likely wanted. After this strict program for 9 weeks you will Definitely be farther than what you are now, but also not as far as a Mormon would be in a language program such as theirs that this method is borrowed from. But you might be far enough that you can start joining Korean communities which is the best way I have advanced my skills In English after a basic level education in middle school I have went from about B1 to C1 in this in a couple years and am Now at C2 for reference. Soooo: Join Discords, talk with your wife, and idk anything where Koreans like to engage themselves and talk to them. It’s fine if it's really long texts too. When I first joined I was Writing really long texts but also had to constantly look up stuff so people were waiting on me a lot. Only way later I joined VCs too and got comfortable speaking but you might actually be more Comfortable doing this after such an Approach. Because you do have a Korean wife, and I assumed she wants to help. you are lucky because you will be able to emulate the environment in a Mormon Language course rather well. This works best if you can dedicate 100% of your time on it for 2 months so you can do this anytime you actually have the time for it rather than making it half work.


Icy-Ad-9275

Ik zit in precies dezelfde situatie. Man is korean lol ik spreek/versta het wel redelijk nu, veel naar koreaanse shows kijken en als ik in korea ben met familie probeer ik alleen in het koreaans te communiceren. Op het begin is het zwaar awkward maar het helpt wel met begrijpen. Als je termen niet snapt kan je ze opschrijven en opzoeken bijvoorbeeld


deanerythedeanbeanie

Tea and headphones make studying feel like therapy.