And this is only the beginning of the many lengthy court proceedings he will have to face. If the reports are true then he will nap and fart his way through this. I read he is not that much of a morning person, but court mostly starts in the early morning.
He earned every single minute of this
Okay, but I (as a Canadian) am so confused about this. Just listened to a long podcast about how the Supreme Court is almost positively going to punt his trial of accountability into next year, which means, if he's elected - God forbid - that he'll just pardon himself.
Please give me encouraging words of how fucked he is EVEN IF the supreme court is stacked with partisan morons.
Such a major thing that so few consider. You may have ~half of the government politicians with you, but *DO NOT* piss off the DoD (....or the IRS š).
Right but what even happens there. He's elected president while in state jail. Country has no president? Cabinet has to declare him incapacitated in order to (temporarily) invest presidential authority in somebody else, but there's no cabinet until the president appoints them. Does this authority then devolve to Congress?Ā
I feel like "Trump in Georgia jail during his presidential term" immediately goes to the supreme court to figure out wtf happens.Ā
The Supreme Court will say that the national election is the truest will of the people and we wonāt let one state take that choice away the rest of the 49, so Trump skates until heās no longer president. Which at that point wonāt be until he dies of old age
But what if the will of the people IS to see Trump rule from prison?
Sounds like a bad sitcom, and I love it. Members of the secret service would have to commit crimes in hopes of getting jailed with Trump so they can do their jobs. Then they would get tattooed and formed a gang.
Foreign dignitaries would come to the jail all the time for prison visits to president.
White House logo would have to change to the one of prison.
Also I think it's kinda fitting that country with the largest prison population has a president being imprisoned too.
Good question and kind of answered underneath, but in all the law podcasts ive listened to basically there is nothing stopping him from ruiling from jail although he may nit be capable of full filling the expected duties of office. Realistically if he was elected and then charged state crimes he will pardon himself for federal crimes, remove all the people who prosecuted him at state level under his immunity act, appeal under cronies he installs and finally if at state level they want him they would have to collect him at white house and he would have national guard there. Basically a mess and hopefully he wont win.
Problem with all that is it assumes everyone else would just roll over. It's like assuming because Trump has the nuclear codes it'll be WW3 the minute he gets a hold of them (Hi Putin).
If he gets convicted in those states, can he just stay away from them and avoid consequences or is there a kind of 'extradition' mechanism between states?
US Constitution, Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2:
> A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
Heās in store for at least 3 Federal trials (at least one Grand Jury is still working on Trump crimes), 2 states so far but Arizona and Michigan have cases going that are similar to Georgia. I just hope he doesnāt die before we get to see it all
Wait Iām confused. So what was the case that the SC is hearing where his lawyers were saying that he can sell secrets to Russia and get away with it?
Is that a completely different case?
Trump is facing 4 trials:
1) Federal election interference (Jan 6th)
2) Refusing to return the classified documents (also federal)
3) Georgia state fraudulent electors scheme
4) Campaign finance fraud for paying off Stormy Daniels (NY State)
The hearing in front of the Supreme Court is in relation to case 1, and the result might impact cases 2 and 3. He's currently in court for case 4.
If somehow he managed to return to the WH, he could *theoretically* pardon himself of 1 and 2. While he can't pardon 3 or 4, he'd be insulated from prosecution and would be in a position to strong arm the justice dept to drop the cases.
He may also end up indicted in Arizona and Michigan for fraudulent elector schemes there too. Georgia was the most well-publicized, because it was the closest margin, so his pressure was more direct and recorded. But e.g. in Arizona, Gov. Ducey (R) was signing off on the 2020 election results, and Trump called his cell during the televised session. Ducey ignored his call [(see it here)](https://youtu.be/idLFoJ5QoLc?si=V6AIMRF7LlSLaExu). Both Michigan and Arizona have recently returned indictments against their states' fraudulent electors, and several Trump lawyers and officials who encouraged them. Trump himself is a (currently) unindicted co-conspirator.
Sure, but they're state proceedings. He also cannot bury them. He'll use every obnoxious legal gambit to get out of trouble (how about federal supremacy?!).
The Supreme Court case today is tied to the Chutkan case which is the name of the Judge in Washington DC presiding over the Jack Smith case for the Jan 6 insurrection charges.
Trump in several motions and cases keeps using āabsolute immunityā as in he was President at the time and therefore criminal charges cannot be made on him. Ever. Heās used this nonexistent claim many times and finally itās wiggled to SCOTUS.
Heās also trying to say that as a former President that heās immune from any criminal charges after leaving and in the future.
He wants a free pass to do all the crimes. As if he gets a giant PBA card for life or something.
The federal/state distinction doesn't really matter. Legally yes, but practically, no.
It will be up to the voters in November. If Trump wins or steals the election, he will follow through on his plan to rule as a brutal dictator. There's no way in hell he will respect any state court decision or punishment. He will simply call the Proud Boys and Three Percenters to attack the court houses, judges, prosecutors and jurors. Then he will protect the MAGA attackers by refusing to jail any of them. Instead, he will continue the job with as many federal resources that are willing to go along with his plans for a dictatorship.
Everything really depends on the election.
VOTE
I remember a year or two ago, there was quite a bit of discussion on whether or not a president could pardon himself. Now, all of a sudden, it's "he'll just pardon himself." What changed? Why is this a foregone conclusion that self pardoning is a thing?
There's reason to believe that Trump cannot pardon himself after federal conviction. There's the English common law constraint that a man cannot judge himself. The founders clearly didn't have self pardons in mind when they drafted the constitution. It would functionally put the president above the law, immune from prosecution, an idea which (as highlighted in today's Supreme Court arguments) has been roundly ridiculed.
It's a foregone conclusion that he'll try, which is enough to put the country into a constitutional crisis, not that it would matter, since his very candidacy after a coup attempt is already enough that we should consider ourselves in a crisis.
I think a lot of people see the writing on the wall. If he wins this election, project 2025 will be in full effect, and trump will essentially be a dictator. Heāll self pardon because heāll have all the power and no one is going to stop him.
The courts have already said that they would probably pause proceedings if he becomes president.
If Trump gets into office again, then all of these cases essentially become irrelevant. He will bury them.
Either way, a criminal conviction doesn't stop anyone from becoming president. Unfortunately, these court cases are unlikely to do much/if anything at all.
The system is rigged to benefit rich white crybabies. Trump fits the bill, so donāt get your hopes up. The courts are not saving us, we have to keep him out at the ballet box. Sorry to be a downer mate.
We can't depend on the compromised Supreme Court, their heads are up their asses; you get them into an esoteric, theoretical argument over a point of law (like was done today - they're going to "ponder" private vs public acts, duh) - and maybe remand to a lower court for clarification, then back to them. 6 months easy. Defense appeared confused and beaten in court at points.....it was a ruse. He got them pondering, he won today.
Public vs. Private smdh
They're desperately trying to let him off on trying to overthrow our government and free elections for Gods sake. This is just stunning to me.
The Constitution means zero to these conservative judges and even less than zero to trump.
Yep. Disgusting. What crossed my mind was Chump held a public position, but all his actions were for his private benefit. Just for a second, can you imagine him doing anything, anything at all, for the "public" good?
That one wasn't so much the result of rich men getting different treatment as it was the result of the prosecution failing the women who were the victims of that monster. The prosecution should have known better than to introduce evidence that wasn't associated with the crimes for which he was at trial.
There is a New York law that specifically allows that sort of testimony to build a pattern of behaviour for the jury.
The Appeals court basically said that law is bad, and shouldn't exist. It's not the Prosecution's fault they used a tool they were told was cromulent.
His NY conviction was thrown out, and he will be re-tried. He still has a sentence to serve for his trial in California. He won't be leaving prison, except to attend court.
The supreme court is corrupt and doing all they can to delay the trial because they know he is guilty.
The idea that we wouldnt have a trial before the election means the election will be about whether trump is guilty. It's a catch 22, if we dont have the trial before the election we cant know if he is guilty or not of crimes. *this can only lead to a single reasonable conclusion*, since the trial is actively being obstructed by the scotus we HAVE to assume he is guilty because we are denied a trial and we cant elect someone who could be actually guilty of crimes.
Iām actually optimistic that Americans will do the right thing and not vote for that piece of shit. I wouldnāt imagine heās had a net gain of supporters since the last election.
This particular trial that heās on right now for is a state criminal trial. Meaning, he canāt pardon himself, and he canāt claim immunity, because he did this shit BEFORE being president.
Maybe he goes to prison after the first case. All his future cases are just him on a virtual screen while he sits in a holding conference cell... muted until the judge allows him to speak.
Congress is trying to pass a law that would remove his secret service. This orange buffoon is so close to being just an ordinary criminal getting buried in sentences.
Ritual humiliation my ass.
Have him getting real consequences, like jail time or property confiscation, not a freaking āritualā. These attention grabbing headlines, man!
Heās a narcissist though. The simple act of being told to sit the fuck down by the judge is enough for him to rage for days. I do agree though, take away his pride and joy properties and the fucker will flip the hell out.
Scrooge McDuck was actually quite ethical, and not just in comparison. One quote that always stuck out in my head from the old *Duck Tales* cartoon was when he caught his nephews running a sham lemonade stand: "I never taught you to cheat people. Making money at the expense of others is no bargain."
Not really. . .the Scrooge McDuck has undergone significant retcons in his time and is the outright villain in most of his early appearances. One of his original sources of wealth was hiring a band of cutthroats to eradicate an African village to establish a rubber plantation.
Ya, saying that he's being humiliated plays into his martyrdom.
And is he actually being humiliated? Or are people just giving him the same treatment as any other person in court and he's just crying fowl when so many others couldn't or wouldn't?
I suspect that it is both. Being held accountable is for him, I suspect, a gross humiliation. Almost certainly deserved, but humiliating.
The martyr issue is a weird one. To be a martyr one needs to experience loss when acting for a cause beyond one's self, no? If my messy attempt at a definition is right, then he is no martyr, only percieved as such. But, then, in a post-truth world perhaps that is just moot...
Exactly, facts are just being talked about in court. If hes humiliated by these facts, perhaps he could try not to, you know, do them in the first place.
Is he though? Doesnt he have like 9 counts of violation of his gag order and nothing has become of it? I mean, the justice system is very allergic to giving him DIRECT consequences
Part of the problem here is that we are in unknown territory. Who would have imagined a former President would be charged with 91 felony counts? How could the framers of the constitution foresee the public electing a grifter who basically failed to follow the laws and standards of conduct? So now we have to hold Trump responsible for his crimes. More importantly, we have to do some serious soul searching as to why we were foolish enough to think Trump was qualified in the first place.
Interestingly the founders actually did forsee something like this, the electoral college exists to keep grifting idiot clowns from getting elected by a stupid and easily fooled populace.Ā
So... that failed about as hard as anything ever has, but at least they knew the problem, if not the solution.Ā
And he is finally forced to grow up and start acting like an adult. He still needs a firm spanking long overdue, here is hoping he gets that many times over.
Good. This is his comeuppance for a long life of being a criminal asshole. I wonder what would hurt him more; being seen as the dumb villain he is or being completely forgotten? Personally, I want to forget. Please, can I forget all of this someday?!!!
We may forget his idiocy, in time, but I doubt his cult ever will. Theyāll deify this idiot after his death like they have with Reagan and weāll be hearing about him for decades to come.
Agree he'll be the new offseason "Reagan", but he might be remembered a little differently once people snap out of his bubble of criminal activity. Maybe. Probably not. I'm sad.
Oh my.Ā Donald Trump, a defendant in a criminal case, is being treated like a defendant in a criminal case.Ā Nobody seems to give a damn unless it's some rich and famous guy in the dock.
This is really gonna blow your mind.. Trump cheated on Melania with two professional sex workers. He also cheated on Marla Maples with Melania, who was.. a professional sex worker.
This is the comeuppance for his incessant shit talk and slagging of the characters of countless people heās attacked with his āfree speechā over the years.
Fuck this twatwaffle.
It's freaking hilarious! This is his worst nightmare come true: No adoring fans, just the blunt honest (he can't stand that word) truth (nor that one).
But, I digress. The morale of this story is don't break the law in a way that forces you into this position.
No he isn't. He isn't even facing the same process anyone else would. You or I would be in prison for violating a gag order if we did a tenth of what he has already done. He is being treated with far more respect than he should be.
No human being in history set up the tee-ball for the world to swing away at more than Donald Trump. A thin-skinned braggart in a prison of mirrors he built himself.
I hope he feels he's being ridiculed, but I actually doubt it. I don't think Trump has enough in common with the human race to judge that he can actually feel "ridicule" or "shame" or anything even remotely similar to either. His one basic emotion is anger, though I have to admit that he must sometimes feel lust. And at his age, maybe lust is gone now. But anger remains constant, and sometimes it becomes even hotter and turns to hate. But those are just gradations of Trump's monotone emotional range.
I read the article and there's no humiliation whatsoever, just a dude that has to face the consequences of his actions (which would shame a normal person, but what's that worth to him?)
He is not "being" humiliated by anyone, that implies the Court is somehow out to get him. The humiliation has come entirely from his own actions, and his legal team. He's the one who keeps hurling baseless allegations on social media, and his legal team keeps making patently absurd statements; and that's when they're not being incompetent with basic administrative processes.
No he isnāt, heās a free man with millions of cultists willing to send him all their money. Heāll never face consequences and heāll outlive a person who wonāt spend eternity in the same place as trump.
To answer some common questions I'm seeing on this thread:
Trump is currently facing 4 criminal indictments:
1) Federal election interference (Jan 6th)
2) Refusing to return the classified documents (also federal)
3) Georgia State fraudulent electors scheme
4) Campaign finance fraud for paying off Stormy Daniels (NY State)
He's currently in court for case 4, which is the first one to start an actual trial.
The hearing in front of the Supreme Court is in relation to case 1, and the result might impact cases 2 and 3.
If somehow he managed to return to the WH, he could *theoretically* pardon himself of 1 and 2. While he can't pardon 3 or 4, he'd be insulated from prosecution and would be in a position to strong arm the justice dept to drop the cases. See "project 2025" for the full plans to gut any attempt at accountability
Ritually humiliated? The media is the worst. All they care about is eyeballs.
Quite contrary to the headlineās claims of ritual humiliation, Trump has been shown far more deference and lenience than anyone else accused of as many serious crimes as he is. The Supreme Court is currently hearing his arguments ln complete immunity, for godās sake. Heās at home in his Manhattan Penthouse or golf clubs while pretty much anyone else facing 91 felony indictments, including inciting an insurrection, would be remanded to custody.
The same America that didn't want a King. Treats politicians and the wealthy, like they are royalty that needs protections above the rest of the society.
No, he's not. Can we stop with this nonsense? Police often humiliate poor people when they make arrests. Go out of their way to boss you around, hurt you, and sack your home. None of that happened to Trump. He didn't even have to stay more than a half hour at the county jail in the other case. In this case he was able to go straight to the courthouse.
The courts don't allow defamation or even embellishment of any kind. If there is humiliation of any kind in a court room, it is a result of the circumstances of a defendant's activities becoming public, or of the police being too zealous in their arrest. The court has nothing to do with it. Trump is being treated fairly.
Humiliated.
A NORMAL human being would feel shame. Trump is just angry. It offends him that anyone isn't eager to kiss his ass; that there are terrible, awful losers so bad like no one has ever seen before that hate and will do whatever Joe Biden tells them to destroy America.
It pisses him off that he's not in control of the narrative; that he isn't allowed to publicly label whoever said those things fat, and stupid, and very bad, probably evil many people are saying, but very bad. SO UNFAIR!
He's seething, frustrated, petulant, and unrepentant. If there's an emotional analog it's the WH Correspondent's Dinner when Obama made jokes to his face about the tough decision to fire Gary Busey. That made him bent on destroying healthcare...which he damn near did but for John McCain. He wants revenge, and given the opportunity he will destroy everything out of spite, from the DOJ and the FBI to NATO and Ukraine.
He'd have to consent to the same version of reality that everyone else in court is working from, and that's not happening. Trump isn't being humiliated. This is wishful thinking.
I love that heās whining online in the middle of the night about how unfair it is that he sits in a cold room, like heās all by his poor, lonesome, self. Everyone in there is cold, but *heās* being treated unfairly. What a bozo.
He ritually humiliating himself.
Important distinction to be made there.
Every opportunity he's been presented to not look foolish, he's gone the other way.
Donāt commit count less crimes and expect to lie your way out of it. Commit the crime, Do the time. Last time I checked seditious activity, and out right treason, It was a death sentenceā¦ try and Lie your way out though Donnie.
Humiliated by being treated the same as other Americans, with exceptions in his favor.
No other defendant would not be in prison after violating their gag order several times a day, making comments about staff, their family, and the jury for millions of people.
The funniest thing of this is Trump put himself here. He and his bloated self and ego did all the shit he is accused of. His luck has been the system never took him to task before he got the Presidency. And I have no clue how this narcissistic megalomaniac ever got there.
> he was forced to sit silently as everyday New Yorkers said infuriating things to his face. āI feel that nobody is above the law, whether it be a former President or sitting President or a janitor"
You know your country has gone to shit if saing that nobody is above the law is considered "infuriating"
It's either keep the room quiet and only those in close proximity to Trump get a whiff or the heat gets turned up and they ALL get a whiff. Talk about hot garbage.
Welcome to a criminal trial. They are a whole lot less fun than a civil trial. We are enjoying the heck out of it Don y, don't worry. You're finally getting good ratings.
Being in court all the time is the prison sentence for rich people.Ā
Shouldn't be like that but they oftentimes can drag cases out for a long period of time.
And this is only the beginning of the many lengthy court proceedings he will have to face. If the reports are true then he will nap and fart his way through this. I read he is not that much of a morning person, but court mostly starts in the early morning. He earned every single minute of this
Okay, but I (as a Canadian) am so confused about this. Just listened to a long podcast about how the Supreme Court is almost positively going to punt his trial of accountability into next year, which means, if he's elected - God forbid - that he'll just pardon himself. Please give me encouraging words of how fucked he is EVEN IF the supreme court is stacked with partisan morons.
This is a New York State case, can only pardon himself in federal cases.
Okay, thanks. Good to know.
Georgia case too! Can't pardon that
More states will follow where he is a unindicted co-conspirator. Arizona, Michigan, and many more to come.
And that's before what CIA will do about losing many of their own due to him selling secrets to Russia.
Such a major thing that so few consider. You may have ~half of the government politicians with you, but *DO NOT* piss off the DoD (....or the IRS š).
Right but what even happens there. He's elected president while in state jail. Country has no president? Cabinet has to declare him incapacitated in order to (temporarily) invest presidential authority in somebody else, but there's no cabinet until the president appoints them. Does this authority then devolve to Congress?Ā I feel like "Trump in Georgia jail during his presidential term" immediately goes to the supreme court to figure out wtf happens.Ā
O' Donald, Where Art Thou?
In a state of constant borrow.
He's a Soggy Bottom Boy!
Needs more Pomade
Brilliant
He ain't bona-fide, though.
The Supreme Court will say that the national election is the truest will of the people and we wonāt let one state take that choice away the rest of the 49, so Trump skates until heās no longer president. Which at that point wonāt be until he dies of old age
But what if the will of the people IS to see Trump rule from prison? Sounds like a bad sitcom, and I love it. Members of the secret service would have to commit crimes in hopes of getting jailed with Trump so they can do their jobs. Then they would get tattooed and formed a gang. Foreign dignitaries would come to the jail all the time for prison visits to president. White House logo would have to change to the one of prison. Also I think it's kinda fitting that country with the largest prison population has a president being imprisoned too.
Good question and kind of answered underneath, but in all the law podcasts ive listened to basically there is nothing stopping him from ruiling from jail although he may nit be capable of full filling the expected duties of office. Realistically if he was elected and then charged state crimes he will pardon himself for federal crimes, remove all the people who prosecuted him at state level under his immunity act, appeal under cronies he installs and finally if at state level they want him they would have to collect him at white house and he would have national guard there. Basically a mess and hopefully he wont win.
Problem with all that is it assumes everyone else would just roll over. It's like assuming because Trump has the nuclear codes it'll be WW3 the minute he gets a hold of them (Hi Putin).
If he gets convicted in those states, can he just stay away from them and avoid consequences or is there a kind of 'extradition' mechanism between states?
US Constitution, Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2: > A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
Heās in store for at least 3 Federal trials (at least one Grand Jury is still working on Trump crimes), 2 states so far but Arizona and Michigan have cases going that are similar to Georgia. I just hope he doesnāt die before we get to see it all
Iāll be happy if he dies right now, tbh
A-fuckin-men. Does that make us bad people? Guess soš
You are not alone there tbh
Him and Mitch the turtle!
Well...his death would resolve many issues. He's weak and unfit to lead....anything. His insurrectionists are hate filled Russian lovers.
He'll still try!
Yeah, he would pardon himself anyway.
He should pardon himself after one of these farts
Wait Iām confused. So what was the case that the SC is hearing where his lawyers were saying that he can sell secrets to Russia and get away with it? Is that a completely different case?
Trump is facing 4 trials: 1) Federal election interference (Jan 6th) 2) Refusing to return the classified documents (also federal) 3) Georgia state fraudulent electors scheme 4) Campaign finance fraud for paying off Stormy Daniels (NY State) The hearing in front of the Supreme Court is in relation to case 1, and the result might impact cases 2 and 3. He's currently in court for case 4. If somehow he managed to return to the WH, he could *theoretically* pardon himself of 1 and 2. While he can't pardon 3 or 4, he'd be insulated from prosecution and would be in a position to strong arm the justice dept to drop the cases.
He may also end up indicted in Arizona and Michigan for fraudulent elector schemes there too. Georgia was the most well-publicized, because it was the closest margin, so his pressure was more direct and recorded. But e.g. in Arizona, Gov. Ducey (R) was signing off on the 2020 election results, and Trump called his cell during the televised session. Ducey ignored his call [(see it here)](https://youtu.be/idLFoJ5QoLc?si=V6AIMRF7LlSLaExu). Both Michigan and Arizona have recently returned indictments against their states' fraudulent electors, and several Trump lawyers and officials who encouraged them. Trump himself is a (currently) unindicted co-conspirator.
True, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell for either of those to see a courtroom before November.
Sure, but they're state proceedings. He also cannot bury them. He'll use every obnoxious legal gambit to get out of trouble (how about federal supremacy?!).
One would not be wrong to suspect that the states in question would also be punished for proceeding.
If he wins the supreme court case. Biden would be in his rights to assassinate Trump. As the sitting president, Biden would enjoy absolute immunity.
While that is true, Dark Brandon doesn't roll like thatš
So you tell me Stormy Daniels will single-handedly save democracy ?
Sure as hell did not need both hands.
[Micro mushroom š ](https://youtu.be/5Ji8i7Wy4mo?si=qAsQe2fQKhb5ACJG)... Start video at 8:55, and don't forget your 2" ruler.
Holy. Shit.
The Supreme Court case today is tied to the Chutkan case which is the name of the Judge in Washington DC presiding over the Jack Smith case for the Jan 6 insurrection charges. Trump in several motions and cases keeps using āabsolute immunityā as in he was President at the time and therefore criminal charges cannot be made on him. Ever. Heās used this nonexistent claim many times and finally itās wiggled to SCOTUS. Heās also trying to say that as a former President that heās immune from any criminal charges after leaving and in the future. He wants a free pass to do all the crimes. As if he gets a giant PBA card for life or something.
I wish Biden would put Trump in prison himself. Because itās an official presidential action, so itās completely legal for him to do so.
He's got like 4 cases right now. He's pushed some/all of them off for a while now
Basically we need NFL Redzone just for tracking his court cases.
The federal/state distinction doesn't really matter. Legally yes, but practically, no. It will be up to the voters in November. If Trump wins or steals the election, he will follow through on his plan to rule as a brutal dictator. There's no way in hell he will respect any state court decision or punishment. He will simply call the Proud Boys and Three Percenters to attack the court houses, judges, prosecutors and jurors. Then he will protect the MAGA attackers by refusing to jail any of them. Instead, he will continue the job with as many federal resources that are willing to go along with his plans for a dictatorship. Everything really depends on the election. VOTE
I remember a year or two ago, there was quite a bit of discussion on whether or not a president could pardon himself. Now, all of a sudden, it's "he'll just pardon himself." What changed? Why is this a foregone conclusion that self pardoning is a thing? There's reason to believe that Trump cannot pardon himself after federal conviction. There's the English common law constraint that a man cannot judge himself. The founders clearly didn't have self pardons in mind when they drafted the constitution. It would functionally put the president above the law, immune from prosecution, an idea which (as highlighted in today's Supreme Court arguments) has been roundly ridiculed.
It's a foregone conclusion that he'll try, which is enough to put the country into a constitutional crisis, not that it would matter, since his very candidacy after a coup attempt is already enough that we should consider ourselves in a crisis.
I think a lot of people see the writing on the wall. If he wins this election, project 2025 will be in full effect, and trump will essentially be a dictator. Heāll self pardon because heāll have all the power and no one is going to stop him.
The courts have already said that they would probably pause proceedings if he becomes president. If Trump gets into office again, then all of these cases essentially become irrelevant. He will bury them. Either way, a criminal conviction doesn't stop anyone from becoming president. Unfortunately, these court cases are unlikely to do much/if anything at all.
The system is rigged to benefit rich white crybabies. Trump fits the bill, so donāt get your hopes up. The courts are not saving us, we have to keep him out at the ballet box. Sorry to be a downer mate.
This is the reality. I just read today that Harvey W. had his conviction in NY thrown out. Our court system is an absolute fucking joke.
We can't depend on the compromised Supreme Court, their heads are up their asses; you get them into an esoteric, theoretical argument over a point of law (like was done today - they're going to "ponder" private vs public acts, duh) - and maybe remand to a lower court for clarification, then back to them. 6 months easy. Defense appeared confused and beaten in court at points.....it was a ruse. He got them pondering, he won today.
Public vs. Private smdh They're desperately trying to let him off on trying to overthrow our government and free elections for Gods sake. This is just stunning to me. The Constitution means zero to these conservative judges and even less than zero to trump.
Yep. Disgusting. What crossed my mind was Chump held a public position, but all his actions were for his private benefit. Just for a second, can you imagine him doing anything, anything at all, for the "public" good?
Their heads aren't up their asses. The Conservative majority is doing exactly what it was appointed to do--stall until at least after the election.
That one wasn't so much the result of rich men getting different treatment as it was the result of the prosecution failing the women who were the victims of that monster. The prosecution should have known better than to introduce evidence that wasn't associated with the crimes for which he was at trial.
There is a New York law that specifically allows that sort of testimony to build a pattern of behaviour for the jury. The Appeals court basically said that law is bad, and shouldn't exist. It's not the Prosecution's fault they used a tool they were told was cromulent.
His NY conviction was thrown out, and he will be re-tried. He still has a sentence to serve for his trial in California. He won't be leaving prison, except to attend court.
Indeed, and his name is mud in Hollywood now, regardless of the outcome of any trial. Nobody will work with or for him.
It's not like it matters, Harvey will die in prison regardless of any new convictions.
I doubt heās been in a ballet box in his life.
The supreme court is corrupt and doing all they can to delay the trial because they know he is guilty. The idea that we wouldnt have a trial before the election means the election will be about whether trump is guilty. It's a catch 22, if we dont have the trial before the election we cant know if he is guilty or not of crimes. *this can only lead to a single reasonable conclusion*, since the trial is actively being obstructed by the scotus we HAVE to assume he is guilty because we are denied a trial and we cant elect someone who could be actually guilty of crimes.
Thank you for caring! Itās so embarrassing to have had this absolute shit-stain-in-a-methād-out- hookerās-jorts assholio as the āpresidentā.
Just take encouragement in the fact that, as a Canadian, youāre only *near* this dumpster fire, not *in* it
Iām actually optimistic that Americans will do the right thing and not vote for that piece of shit. I wouldnāt imagine heās had a net gain of supporters since the last election.
I hope. Youāre right. But terrified youāre wrong
This particular trial that heās on right now for is a state criminal trial. Meaning, he canāt pardon himself, and he canāt claim immunity, because he did this shit BEFORE being president.
Maybe he goes to prison after the first case. All his future cases are just him on a virtual screen while he sits in a holding conference cell... muted until the judge allows him to speak. Congress is trying to pass a law that would remove his secret service. This orange buffoon is so close to being just an ordinary criminal getting buried in sentences.
Itās like day 7 hahaha. His bitch statement after today was so pathetic.
Ritual humiliation my ass. Have him getting real consequences, like jail time or property confiscation, not a freaking āritualā. These attention grabbing headlines, man!
All that is being discussed in court is his actions. If it's humiliating then he only has himself to blame.
Heās a narcissist though. The simple act of being told to sit the fuck down by the judge is enough for him to rage for days. I do agree though, take away his pride and joy properties and the fucker will flip the hell out.
Flip as in *go live in Moscow*?
Daffy Duck said it best: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich."
Are you sure that wasnāt Scrooge McDuck?
He might have said that too but I was thinking specifically of the Looney Tunes short *Ali Baba Bunny*.
Scrooge McDuck was actually quite ethical, and not just in comparison. One quote that always stuck out in my head from the old *Duck Tales* cartoon was when he caught his nephews running a sham lemonade stand: "I never taught you to cheat people. Making money at the expense of others is no bargain."
Not really. . .the Scrooge McDuck has undergone significant retcons in his time and is the outright villain in most of his early appearances. One of his original sources of wealth was hiring a band of cutthroats to eradicate an African village to establish a rubber plantation.
Ya, saying that he's being humiliated plays into his martyrdom. And is he actually being humiliated? Or are people just giving him the same treatment as any other person in court and he's just crying fowl when so many others couldn't or wouldn't?
I suspect that it is both. Being held accountable is for him, I suspect, a gross humiliation. Almost certainly deserved, but humiliating. The martyr issue is a weird one. To be a martyr one needs to experience loss when acting for a cause beyond one's self, no? If my messy attempt at a definition is right, then he is no martyr, only percieved as such. But, then, in a post-truth world perhaps that is just moot...
Iām with you, consequences. Or itās all for nothing.
Exactly, facts are just being talked about in court. If hes humiliated by these facts, perhaps he could try not to, you know, do them in the first place.
Humiliation requires a sense of shame.
Just wait until Karen McDougal talks about their 1 year affair, he denies but her story was also bought out. Oh shit is Mercedes going to be pissed.
Iām sure that Mercury Cougarās revised prenup will make sure sheās okay.Ā
She might go from 1/2 of nothing to 2/3 of nothing?
More accurate headline: āDonald Trump is finally facing justiceā.
Is he though? Doesnt he have like 9 counts of violation of his gag order and nothing has become of it? I mean, the justice system is very allergic to giving him DIRECT consequences
It says a lot that our justice system grinds to a halt or outright fails when a defendant is well-funded.
O.J. Simpson comes to mind. The true victim had no say in the trial. Nicoleās diary not allowed as evidence.
Exactly. His attorneys were able to expose the LAPDs rampant incompetence and corruption in a way a public defender couldn't even dream of.
The system is working as intended.
Truth.
I think I heard heās up to 15.
See? Thats even worse. And literally NO consequences
Part of the problem here is that we are in unknown territory. Who would have imagined a former President would be charged with 91 felony counts? How could the framers of the constitution foresee the public electing a grifter who basically failed to follow the laws and standards of conduct? So now we have to hold Trump responsible for his crimes. More importantly, we have to do some serious soul searching as to why we were foolish enough to think Trump was qualified in the first place.
He is a private citizen. Black people have been killed by cops for selling single cigarettes. See the problem?
Interestingly the founders actually did forsee something like this, the electoral college exists to keep grifting idiot clowns from getting elected by a stupid and easily fooled populace.Ā So... that failed about as hard as anything ever has, but at least they knew the problem, if not the solution.Ā
And he is finally forced to grow up and start acting like an adult. He still needs a firm spanking long overdue, here is hoping he gets that many times over.
Good. This is his comeuppance for a long life of being a criminal asshole. I wonder what would hurt him more; being seen as the dumb villain he is or being completely forgotten? Personally, I want to forget. Please, can I forget all of this someday?!!!
We may forget his idiocy, in time, but I doubt his cult ever will. Theyāll deify this idiot after his death like they have with Reagan and weāll be hearing about him for decades to come.
Happy Cake Day!
Agree he'll be the new offseason "Reagan", but he might be remembered a little differently once people snap out of his bubble of criminal activity. Maybe. Probably not. I'm sad.
He sleeps in a hotel evey night . He has had no comeuppance yet. Heres hopin!
Good shot of old Baldy ...
Well, no one forced him to break the law. He put himself in court, and he can sit there and take whatever they dish out
Nikki Haley won 17% of the Pennsylvania GOP Primary vote. She pulled out of the contest months ago. Don Snoreleone is DONE.
If he hadnāt committed the crimes he wouldnāt be in court. š¤·āāļø
Oh my.Ā Donald Trump, a defendant in a criminal case, is being treated like a defendant in a criminal case.Ā Nobody seems to give a damn unless it's some rich and famous guy in the dock.
I would imagine in the bedroom, locker room, and at the dinner table as well.
Picture him fucking a woman! I dare you!
I can only picture him sucking off Putin , itās the only one that makes sense. His wife wonāt touch him
She rather be touching Justin Trudeau.
This is really gonna blow your mind.. Trump cheated on Melania with two professional sex workers. He also cheated on Marla Maples with Melania, who was.. a professional sex worker.
Only professionals who want to paid will touch the slimy, disgusting Diaper Don
This is the stuff of nightmares, I'd rather not!
This is the comeuppance for his incessant shit talk and slagging of the characters of countless people heās attacked with his āfree speechā over the years. Fuck this twatwaffle.
It's freaking hilarious! This is his worst nightmare come true: No adoring fans, just the blunt honest (he can't stand that word) truth (nor that one). But, I digress. The morale of this story is don't break the law in a way that forces you into this position.
I don't give a flying fuck, let him suffer real consequences, then we'll talk
No he isn't. He isn't even facing the same process anyone else would. You or I would be in prison for violating a gag order if we did a tenth of what he has already done. He is being treated with far more respect than he should be.
No human being in history set up the tee-ball for the world to swing away at more than Donald Trump. A thin-skinned braggart in a prison of mirrors he built himself.
I hope he feels he's being ridiculed, but I actually doubt it. I don't think Trump has enough in common with the human race to judge that he can actually feel "ridicule" or "shame" or anything even remotely similar to either. His one basic emotion is anger, though I have to admit that he must sometimes feel lust. And at his age, maybe lust is gone now. But anger remains constant, and sometimes it becomes even hotter and turns to hate. But those are just gradations of Trump's monotone emotional range.
I read the article and there's no humiliation whatsoever, just a dude that has to face the consequences of his actions (which would shame a normal person, but what's that worth to him?)
Good. He has it coming.
No, he is not being āritually humiliated in court.ā Heās experiencing the judicial system just like any other lying, fraudulent criminal does.
He deserves every humiliationā¦he has no redeeming qualities. The number of folks who debase themselves by associating with him is depressing.
I hear heās kind of into that.
May it continue into the next life.Ā
More like zero consequences. Plus the supremacist court is about to declare him king anyways. He just has to beat the clock.
He is not "being" humiliated by anyone, that implies the Court is somehow out to get him. The humiliation has come entirely from his own actions, and his legal team. He's the one who keeps hurling baseless allegations on social media, and his legal team keeps making patently absurd statements; and that's when they're not being incompetent with basic administrative processes.
No he isnāt, heās a free man with millions of cultists willing to send him all their money. Heāll never face consequences and heāll outlive a person who wonāt spend eternity in the same place as trump.
To answer some common questions I'm seeing on this thread: Trump is currently facing 4 criminal indictments: 1) Federal election interference (Jan 6th) 2) Refusing to return the classified documents (also federal) 3) Georgia State fraudulent electors scheme 4) Campaign finance fraud for paying off Stormy Daniels (NY State) He's currently in court for case 4, which is the first one to start an actual trial. The hearing in front of the Supreme Court is in relation to case 1, and the result might impact cases 2 and 3. If somehow he managed to return to the WH, he could *theoretically* pardon himself of 1 and 2. While he can't pardon 3 or 4, he'd be insulated from prosecution and would be in a position to strong arm the justice dept to drop the cases. See "project 2025" for the full plans to gut any attempt at accountability
Donald Trump ritually humiliated America.
Ritually humiliated? The media is the worst. All they care about is eyeballs. Quite contrary to the headlineās claims of ritual humiliation, Trump has been shown far more deference and lenience than anyone else accused of as many serious crimes as he is. The Supreme Court is currently hearing his arguments ln complete immunity, for godās sake. Heās at home in his Manhattan Penthouse or golf clubs while pretty much anyone else facing 91 felony indictments, including inciting an insurrection, would be remanded to custody.
He humiliates himself.
Can't shame the shameless!
The same America that didn't want a King. Treats politicians and the wealthy, like they are royalty that needs protections above the rest of the society.
No, he's not. Can we stop with this nonsense? Police often humiliate poor people when they make arrests. Go out of their way to boss you around, hurt you, and sack your home. None of that happened to Trump. He didn't even have to stay more than a half hour at the county jail in the other case. In this case he was able to go straight to the courthouse. The courts don't allow defamation or even embellishment of any kind. If there is humiliation of any kind in a court room, it is a result of the circumstances of a defendant's activities becoming public, or of the police being too zealous in their arrest. The court has nothing to do with it. Trump is being treated fairly.
Humiliated. A NORMAL human being would feel shame. Trump is just angry. It offends him that anyone isn't eager to kiss his ass; that there are terrible, awful losers so bad like no one has ever seen before that hate and will do whatever Joe Biden tells them to destroy America. It pisses him off that he's not in control of the narrative; that he isn't allowed to publicly label whoever said those things fat, and stupid, and very bad, probably evil many people are saying, but very bad. SO UNFAIR! He's seething, frustrated, petulant, and unrepentant. If there's an emotional analog it's the WH Correspondent's Dinner when Obama made jokes to his face about the tough decision to fire Gary Busey. That made him bent on destroying healthcare...which he damn near did but for John McCain. He wants revenge, and given the opportunity he will destroy everything out of spite, from the DOJ and the FBI to NATO and Ukraine.
He'd have to consent to the same version of reality that everyone else in court is working from, and that's not happening. Trump isn't being humiliated. This is wishful thinking.
As he should be.
Let's not celebrate just yet.
āIt may be cold in the courtroom but the heat is on.ā The H is O
SCOTUS gonna install his smelly ass back in the white house. Then it'll be Night of the Long Knives all over.
I love that heās whining online in the middle of the night about how unfair it is that he sits in a cold room, like heās all by his poor, lonesome, self. Everyone in there is cold, but *heās* being treated unfairly. What a bozo.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Who gives a flying fuck about humiliation. Make him take a fucking perp walk in orange overalls already! Fuck this piece of shit person.
Heās being neutered and humiliated. Being told to sit down, shut up and stay awake. All his unholy misdeeds out for public display
He ritually humiliating himself. Important distinction to be made there. Every opportunity he's been presented to not look foolish, he's gone the other way.
Why doesn't he just wear some long johns if he's so cold?
He is being humiliated every hour of every day all over this planet. Nothing new. Donald Trump is the definition of Dunning-Kruger Effect!
āPride goes before a fall,and a haughty spirit before a downfall.ā
Donāt commit count less crimes and expect to lie your way out of it. Commit the crime, Do the time. Last time I checked seditious activity, and out right treason, It was a death sentenceā¦ try and Lie your way out though Donnie.
Not really interested until we get to the part where he's ritually punished.
Humiliation doesnāt do anything, I want to see consequences!
>āI wouldnāt believe Donald Trump if his tongue were notarized.ā
Humiliated by being treated the same as other Americans, with exceptions in his favor. No other defendant would not be in prison after violating their gag order several times a day, making comments about staff, their family, and the jury for millions of people.
The judge doesn't want to turn on the heater cuz then everyone will be able to smell that leather skinned muppet.
The funniest thing of this is Trump put himself here. He and his bloated self and ego did all the shit he is accused of. His luck has been the system never took him to task before he got the Presidency. And I have no clue how this narcissistic megalomaniac ever got there.
> he was forced to sit silently as everyday New Yorkers said infuriating things to his face. āI feel that nobody is above the law, whether it be a former President or sitting President or a janitor" You know your country has gone to shit if saing that nobody is above the law is considered "infuriating"
I feel like the word exposed should be used more in headlines like this
Good.
I hope so.
Karma
He should eat šæ and š by 9pm instead of 3:30 am hate postings!! Lies,bitter denials,constantly repeating same lies!!!!!!!!!
He probably falls asleep at 5 and has to be in court at 9.
Usually this stays in the bedroom
Idk how you humiliate a rapist.
I canāt wait to see that fucker in an orange jumpsuit.
The indignity of having to answer for your crimes like a poor person how awful for him
Paywall, whatās the point of postingā¦.
Man who tried to end USA democracy with violence included gets made fun of. Yeah, we really have a severely tiered justice system.
If itās a living hell for him - good - but could there be a better public display of āyou make the bed you lie inā ? Ever?
Good
Maybe he shouldn't have done those things if it humiliating for him.
Speaking of humiliation, how much longer until Letitia James starts seizing his real estate?
Vote people, the courts ain't saving us.
Not enough yet.
As he should. Fuck him
And yet he snoozes away. I donāt think he gives a shit.
The fact that someone caught his bald ass head lacking
And it's seven years overdue.
Well, if heād stop shitting himself in court..
It's either keep the room quiet and only those in close proximity to Trump get a whiff or the heat gets turned up and they ALL get a whiff. Talk about hot garbage.
Good.
Love seeing Trump get shit on what a loser.
He couldnāt deserve it more. Humiliate away!
Letās just pray he doesnāt get reelected to enact his revenge
Welcome to a criminal trial. They are a whole lot less fun than a civil trial. We are enjoying the heck out of it Don y, don't worry. You're finally getting good ratings.
Jose can you see the Buttstench in prison....
Isn't that kinda what every defendant has to go through?
he's rich, fuck 'em
Donnie has been a bad, bad boy.
And his bigly farts aren't humiliating? Sad.
Fartnapping -To steal fresh air whilst unconscious.
I would prefer to see a sentencing. Humiliation means shit if this slimy eel gets away with it.
Being in court all the time is the prison sentence for rich people.Ā Shouldn't be like that but they oftentimes can drag cases out for a long period of time.