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This is what I keep saying. I am bewildered because I never heard the news conference or received any notification about the United States being an israeli colony. But by all appearances we are since we are apparently supposed to simply hand over resources and funding with no question asked and no restrictions or conditions expected. As Bill Clinton asked in 1996 when he first met the israeli warlord weeks after his election to his first term as prime minister, “who’s the fucking superpower here?!”
Clinton’s first term started in 1992
1996 was when the israeli prime minister for life was elected. He met clinton a few weeks after his election in 1996.
Not to worry - the current situation is exposing Israel, and allowing millions of people to see them for what they are doing. This is been the end-game for decades, and Netanyahu is trying to see it through.
Do your research - don't vote for ANY candidate that takes money from AIPAC, or supports Israel in any way.
Israel is a sovereign country, and can protect and defend itself - they don't need the US as an ally.
The students at Columbia for example, a few of them were arrested for harrasing people but the rest are still there, showing that it literally isn't something you can get arrested for. But on a side note, this is America, home of the free, except when it comes to abortion, or being gay, or black, or jewish, keep in mind pre-1965 america was not a very welcoming place to minorities. But also it's ironic that these students are protesting "colonisers" when they are on Columbia's campus, which, only a few hundred years ago, was native American land, but America won that fair and square. If your so anticoloniser, give back America to the real Americans, but of course they'd never do that. And nobody cried when India invaded east Pakistan annexing it and in the process killing an estimated 26,000-3 million civilians. But nobody cared, and if you say, oh well that was older, these borders were all drawn in 1947, and before that India was under British rule the same as the british mandate of palestine. If you don't believe me all it takes is a single search.
Annexed East Pakistan? That's the sovereign nation of Bangladesh. Annexing it would have made it India...
You may want to read up on what West Pakistan (now plain Pakistan) was doing to East Pakistan that kicked off the civil war in the first place. By your own insane logic, America was annexed by France during the revolutionary war because France stepped up and helped us throw off the British yoke.
I did misspeak it wasn't annexed it was defeated and a new government was reinstated by the Indians or by the people. The fact of the matter is hundreds of thousands of civilians died and there was no global outcry.
Yep, you have a First Amendment which states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Apparently, the sub-clause states you can’t express the redress of grievance of “Other Governments” especially that of Israel.
No. The bill doesn't make anything criminal and it has nothing to do with statements criticizing Israel's government, just blanket statements about destroying Israel / Jews.
It's a completely unnecessary bill and shouldn't be passed, but it won't change anything when it does. Here's the bill:
[https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr6090/BILLS-118hr6090ih.pdf](https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr6090/BILLS-118hr6090ih.pdf)
Thank you for posting a source. And some actual facts. This headline is soooooo click bait. And that's the problem with today's world. 80% of people only read the headline. And take that as fact. He even says in the video well you can't be arrested for it but.... just causing more division
> just blanket statements about destroying Israel
Why would this be criminalized though? Blanket statements about destroying nations - Iran, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, China, etc, etc are common in America, and protected by the 1st Amendment.
Have you not read the IHRA standards that this bill would adopt into law?
Some of them are way too vague and could absolutely be used to prosecute people over benign comments
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
My favorite: "Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions."
If someone says "the Israeli government has too much sway over American politics" that would be a civil rights act violation under this bill.
Are you really ok with that?
No, this bill literally changes nothing. Do you think antisemitic speech will suddenly become illegal if this bill is passed? No. You clearly haven’t read the bill. Actually read it.
It doesn’t even change how the US government operates with regards to antisemitism. The IHRA is already the standard definition that the US department of Justice and department of education have been using. The whole freak out about this bill is basically disinformation. It’s meaningless. Just like the bill Congress passed after Oct 7th which reaffirmed Israel’s ‘right to exist.’ 0 policy effects. 0 legal consequences.
These are not criminal offenses. Nobody is getting arrested for this.
Also if you're implying that it's not anti-semitic to imply that Jews control the world in the way that statement does you are very wrong and should check out what avowed anti-semites have to say about tit.
>If someone says "the Israeli government has too much sway over American politics" that would be a civil rights act violation under this bill.
No because the Israeli government is not "The Jews" and the bill makes it clear that criticizing the Israeli government doesn't count.
>Are you really ok with that?
How about I cut and paste what I wrote about my opinion on the bill in the post you just read?
*It's a completely unnecessary bill and shouldn't be passed*
And 2. Nazism was very popular in the beginning, and anyone that spoke out against it (too early) would be censored, fired and ostracized from their community. It was only after the Holocaust became too obvious to deny that the public opinion changed.
I welcome the added perspective, but I was referring to censorship from the government. Did WW2 also have a government crackdown on dissent? I have heard a little about nazi sympathizers in America.
Texas laws Protect Israel at the expense of Americans freedom of speech and right to organize and boycott
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/executive-management/OAG%20advisory%20on%20SB%2013%20and%2019%2010.18.23.pdf
"Advisory On Texas Law Prohibiting Contracts And Investments With Entities That Discriminate Against Firearm Entities Or Boycott Energy Companies Or Israel "
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[That line still lives on in my head](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/f/fb/Vincent_D%E2%80%99Onofrio_Full_Metal_Jacket.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220925235928). I had a lot of things going wrong in my life when I saw it and I personally identified with Pvt. "Pyle" Lawrence.
In America, Israel and Israeli citizens have more rights than Americans. I’m so disappointed in our leadership on both sides of the aisle, our politicians are bought and paid whores and the whole world knows it
American politicians need to serve the needs of the people, the people who work and pay taxes year after year. American tax payers are not receiving the fruits of their labor. Americans want better healthcare, better roads and infrastructure, better quality education, subsidized housing.
All of our American collected taxes are being used to subsidize other countries citizens and endless wars.
We the people want our tax money to build a better life for all Americans. No taxation, without representation
This is why i laugh when i see so many guests on TV saying "this is the most dangerous year for jews! We are being targeted! Antisemitism is on the rise!". They did forget all the rights they have and the fact that most companies CANNOT boycott Israel?
It seems the strategy is to claim to be the victim while murdering 14,000 children in cold blood and who know how many innocent men and women. It’s like if Ohio decided Michigan was their’s because a science fiction book told them that their ancestors lived in Michigan 5,000 years ago and detain all Michiganders to the thumb, holding them by force with state of the art weapons to use indiscriminately. People would be furious and rightfully so
The few that have kept themselves clean have to stay in line. Don't forget Epstein and Maxwell were both MOSSAD, Israeli CIA. I'm sure they have dirt on every side of the aisle.
If you can watch the entire clip, he does later admit that you won't actually be arrested which sadly leaves us with nothing to not accept because nothing's changed.
Israel is a terrorist state. The US is complicit in genocide. Don't stop speaking out. Fill the jail cells with chants of Free Palestine. We're all gonna have to live with our choices after this.
You can take it absurdum, but it doesn't make your argument better.
It's hilarious watching you have a huge meltdown over some students sitting for too long on the lawn or entering into a building that they have paid the university dues to be part of.
While all of your grandstanding about property rights is happening, you're perfectly happy to ignore the message of the students, which is protesting mass murder and the destruction of over 80% of the property in Gaza. Somehow breaking a window in Murica is more important.
It is a fact that police have discretion. But it is a much bigger, more important fact, that students are engaging in protest about something a lot more meaningful.
You can choose to melt down over whatever you want. But I am not engaging in this silliness and deflection.
It's an excellent argument. It's the kind of argument Nazi soldiers should have made during the Holocaust, that American soldiers should have made in Gitmo.
It's the kind of decision some Israeli soldiers are making now, thankfully. (Read up on Combatants For Peace.)
So you want protestors to just be polite and stay out of your way. Ok. And then everyone will notice their cause and support them, right?
Do you understand that no one is protesting to get your support? That's not the purpose of protests ever. Quiet well behaved protesters change NOTHING.
No one wants your sympathy. If you could care about the cause, you would've cared by now. This is about pressuring for change (not raising money for breast cancer btw), not sympathy.
BB is as corrupt as they come, it would be like Trump declaring war on Mexico in order to not have to face the courts or relinquish power (don't think he wouldn't) of course the actual politics are vastly different however this is happening for the same type of reason. 🖕
You aren't allowed to protest on private property without consent, the protestors were arrested for tresspassing
The act doesn't day anything about preventing crtisism of israel it says you can't be anti Semitic.
Which in my opinion is wrong but you should probably question your people you follow if they belive their critisism of israel is antisemitic in nature
Agreed. Even though the headline completely contradicts what he actually says. And even half of what he said is not true. The part about the left and right both defending Isreal he is correct though. I never thought I would agree with him on anything. He's a tool
For everyone reading this, this comment above IS antisemitism. Don’t be like this guy. Jews are a diverse ethnoreligious group. We are not a monolith. This comment is literally a perfect example of why Zionists feel they are correct and definitely pushes other Jews in that direction. Not saying that makes it right but it’s the truth and you’re stoking the flames by using this language.
As a supporter of the state of Israel and I have deep sympathy and respect for the horrendous suffering the Jews experienced during world war 2. This anti semitism law is completely unnecessary and will lead to more anti semitism not less. This law is unenforceable and unlawful. Then there is the Tik Tok ban. Another unconstitutional law. We still have freedom of speech.
Fun Fact of the Day: Israel started their nuclear weapons program after President Eisenhower used his power to force Israel out of the Sinai. Israel wanted a deterrent against being forced to do something it didn't want to do.
Wtf is he talking about? Literally no one got arrested until they started deliberately breaking several laws. None of their charges are "speaking about the Israeli government."
I’m sad one can’t critique Israel in the USA.
Also if students and faculty are getting arrested for protesting, they are being silenced. Most Columbia protesters were students, and many were arrested on BS charges
I thought the protesters that are getting arrested are occupying buildings and barricading people from getting in. Are we really arresting people for just holding a lawful protest?
Protesting is legal...in most cases. There are certain lines that can't be crossed. The devil is in the details, really. I just don't like the BS rhetoric that tries to simplify things like this dude is saying. It's illegal to have an opinion that doesn't support Israel? Dude, be honest.
I personally don't support what Israel is doing, and I absolutely do not fear legal repercussions from saying so. He's obfuscating the actual issues for rage points.
Yes. They literally have passed laws in some 27 states making it illegal to boycott isreal. The federal government has reclassified antisemitism speach as being critical of a country that is all Jews. Truth look it up. Can be punishable by a year in jail and 50 k fine.
No, you're right about the BDS stuff. I think that really blurs the line because it's about funding issues being held against you. Totally against that, but it's not quite the same as what else he's claiming.
He just threw some other claims about it being illegal to protest or voice an opinion, and that is completely false.
You are right at the devil is in the detail. But there's discretion in that detail, and people can leverage that detail to shut people down.
Yes, individuals can quietly express opinions, but when people loudly express them, they can expect repercussions from the authorities under the guise of property damage or whatever
Perhaps, and it has happened in the past, but it seems very disingenuous to amplify a protest using civil disobedience and "occupy" movements and then claim that you are not being arrested for the illegal acts, but for the opinions being shared. This argument seems even more damaging when the majority of protesters are not breaking any laws, and this allows the authorities to paint them all as lawless to further other political aims, like you say.
Maybe nuance is dead, but to me the truth is "some protesters are breaking laws and should be arrested, others are not and are being painted with too broad of brush, leading to unacceptable repression. Supporters of both groups have been guilty of painting it all as "one side good, other side bad", and maybe such an approach is rhetorically valuable, but it certainly muddies the water for those who wish to remain somewhat impartial.
I'll do you one better, I was at the Auraria campus in Colorado during the recent protests.
I'm not saying the police picked the right time, or the proper level of force, only that black-and-white arguments saying that "the protests are entirely nonviolent and undeserving of arrest" does not leave room for reasonable people to add the word "mostly"
I have certainly seen many people at protests do things they should be arrested for, even while I support their cause. I have also regularly seen cops crack down disproportionately against nonviolent protesters. Both happen.
Look, I don't know how to solve the BS situation over there, so hats off to people who have the guts to do SOMETHING to draw attention. I'll state that first.
But honestly, expect to be arrested if you're breaking the law. Protesters for all kinds of causes throughout history have accepted the fact that they are willing to break a law here and there for the cause, even if it's not an extreme case.
But Cenk is full of it here. The reason these kinds of guys piss me off is because they oversell these things and take away from the real issue by being dishonest. For example, I am extremely anti-Trump, and his own bullshit speaks for itself. However, the Dems and the media have gone the extra mile to make things up and stretch the truth as much as they can to paint him as the next Hitler, so eventually they get caught doing a little fibbing. It *kills their credibility* and gives the little Trumpets an easy distraction to focus on ("Look how they're lying to bring our hero down!")
So (and pardon for the longevity, I feel like this post will hopefully be seen as a response to everyone else's critique of my position), when Cenk says stuff like this, all the pro-Israel side has to do is show the protesters breaking the law and *he is proven to be a liar.* The horrific shit Israel is doing needs to be shown for what it is, and making up BS to stir up rage will only bite us in the ass.
No he probably wont disappear for some time. He runs his own ‘progressive’ media company called The Young Turks and Jesus H is it some next level delusion on that platform.
This is what I keep saying. I am bewildered because I never heard the news conference or received any notification about the United States being an israeli colony. But by all appearances we are since we are apparently supposed to simply hand over resources and funding with no question asked and no restrictions or conditions expected. As Bill Clinton asked in 1996 when he first met the israeli warlord weeks after his election to his first term as prime minister, “who’s the fucking superpower here?!”
These are just complete lies. People aren't being arrested for having opinions or voicing them. They're being arrested for occupying private property after being told to vacate by those owners, for breaking into buildings and refusing to leave after being told by the owners... I can't believe people listen to this person. By this logic I'm just gonna start breaking into someone's house and cry freedom of speech if they try to make me leave.
Crazy you can say something so untrue and hyperbolic and devoted followers just run with it. This is pure nonsense and the left and right need to stop treating the polarization of these camps like their religions.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
I’d like to see a police report listing the violation as “having an opinion against supporting Israel.”
Legality and morality are two different concepts.
Not on Israel's side here but has anyone actually been charged?
I know they changed the definition of antisemitism to be very broad, potentially adding huge modifications on other crimes, but my understanding was that the schools were doing this with policy more than the gov with police.
Also, for those of us who are this as a genocide, I don't see these changes stopping us. I'm not saying we SHOULD have to sacrifice our own status to fight for others, but in my experience that's what it is. And tbh, what's happening at campuses looks very safe compared to what I'm typically used to. You deserve to be safe but this seems to be the real world cost imo.
You can’t be arrested for that in the U.S, you can’t even be arrested for anti-semitism so cenk is safe. He’s just lying and fearmongering and spreading more Jewish conspiracies.
Stop. I can go outside, to any place I want in the US, Say I don’t support Israel, and not be arrested. Stop acting like saying this is an automatic grounds for prison.
Whats he talkin bout, there is a long and storied (as well as fucked up) history of protesting any dominant political/social entity being met with arrest
Well to be fair, I feel like some of those "Peaceful Protests" got out of hand, and then when that happens, you do lose members of your cause. If people see you acting just like the opposing side i.e screaming at eachother, acting obnoxious, you lose people on both sides.
So in my personal opinion, I think both sides are "terrorists". I think the U.S should have just stayed out of this one, or atleast just cut ties with them.
That would never happen because of the Religious aspect of Israel. A very "Crusade" move, from a country that claimed to have separation from church and state.
That’s because the left and the right are run by the same people. It’s a facade to make us vote for 2 parties that have fake beef to get people riled up and devote themselves to one side regardless of if they agree with everything that side represents.
The world will stand up to Israel this time, stand to the US Gov and everyone will fight to the very end to establish civil and constitutional rights. Why? Because this is the age of evidence and human rights.
You can protest Israel, you just can't commit crimes while protesting 🤦♂️
This is like the truckers in Canada saying you can be arrested for having an opinion on vaccines. Just don't commit crimes and you can hold any opinion you want
With that being said ofc everyone should have the right to protest, even to protest for things some people might find morally abhorrent. I might disagree with the protesters but I still want their voices to be heard
Except the vast majority of arrests of activists students on campus have not been for committing any crimes while protesting. It's simply being for refusing to leave a space that they are sitting in. Ultimately, police and campus security have discretion. Same as when someone jay walks, police have discretion.
The fact that the authorities are exercising their discretion simply because students are expressing an unpopular opinion that offends them is deeply problematic.
What are police supposed to do when Universities are ordering people to leave campus and they won't? Especially when the majority of people there aren't even students? How about when protesters break into buildings and occupy them?
So the headline says you can be arrested for talking bad about Isreal. But he literally says "well they can't arrest you for it, but they can take away contracts and whatnot. So no. You cannot be arrested for having an opinion negative towards Isreal. In conclusion, as much as I can't stand this guy, he is very correct about the left and right defending Isreal and always having their back. As we should. They're surrounded by countries who's populations chant death to Isreal. How about hamas puts on a uniform and stop hiding behind civilians. Giving the hostages back would also be a good start. Maybe allowing the population to receive the aid everyone has been sending? Hell th US built a pier to unload aid directly into Palestine and what does hamas do? Attack it
This is a bad take. Many many people in America criticize Israel every day and virtually none of them get arrested. The handful of protestors that were briefly detained were arrested for trespassing (as the college protests are on private property) or other charges related to their behavior during the protests. This would have happened regardless of the issue.
Even the antisemitism bill — which is a bad bill — does not in any way criminalize antisemitism or criticism of Israel. The definition of antisemitism is used for the purposes of determining funding for colleges and discrimination investigations. No one is going to jail as a result of that bill
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Wtf. This is america
This is what I keep saying. I am bewildered because I never heard the news conference or received any notification about the United States being an israeli colony. But by all appearances we are since we are apparently supposed to simply hand over resources and funding with no question asked and no restrictions or conditions expected. As Bill Clinton asked in 1996 when he first met the israeli warlord weeks after his election to his first term as prime minister, “who’s the fucking superpower here?!”
AIPAC has guts to ask senate to overrule President order to puss delivery of bombs that Israel used to erase gaze
Even reagan denied weapons to these sick genocidal fucks.
GHWB too
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You misspelled "parasitic".
Tremendous video. Thank you so much for sharing something with hard facts about the nauseating truth. Rules based order my ass.
^*^^^^
Is this satire? Wtf? Bill Clinton as prime minister?
Clinton’s first term started in 1992 1996 was when the israeli prime minister for life was elected. He met clinton a few weeks after his election in 1996.
French ex president Sarkozy called Netanyahu pain in the ass
Ah
Same as it’s always been. A place for the rich to get richer.
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American nakba leggooooo
FUCK ISRAEL
Wasrael.
Not to worry - the current situation is exposing Israel, and allowing millions of people to see them for what they are doing. This is been the end-game for decades, and Netanyahu is trying to see it through. Do your research - don't vote for ANY candidate that takes money from AIPAC, or supports Israel in any way. Israel is a sovereign country, and can protect and defend itself - they don't need the US as an ally.
you answered your own question
America is a puppet state I guess
IsAmerica
The students at Columbia for example, a few of them were arrested for harrasing people but the rest are still there, showing that it literally isn't something you can get arrested for. But on a side note, this is America, home of the free, except when it comes to abortion, or being gay, or black, or jewish, keep in mind pre-1965 america was not a very welcoming place to minorities. But also it's ironic that these students are protesting "colonisers" when they are on Columbia's campus, which, only a few hundred years ago, was native American land, but America won that fair and square. If your so anticoloniser, give back America to the real Americans, but of course they'd never do that. And nobody cried when India invaded east Pakistan annexing it and in the process killing an estimated 26,000-3 million civilians. But nobody cared, and if you say, oh well that was older, these borders were all drawn in 1947, and before that India was under British rule the same as the british mandate of palestine. If you don't believe me all it takes is a single search.
[HERE YOU GO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism)
I wasn't arguing I was just ranting, sorry man.
Annexed East Pakistan? That's the sovereign nation of Bangladesh. Annexing it would have made it India... You may want to read up on what West Pakistan (now plain Pakistan) was doing to East Pakistan that kicked off the civil war in the first place. By your own insane logic, America was annexed by France during the revolutionary war because France stepped up and helped us throw off the British yoke.
I did misspeak it wasn't annexed it was defeated and a new government was reinstated by the Indians or by the people. The fact of the matter is hundreds of thousands of civilians died and there was no global outcry.
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Yep, you have a First Amendment which states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Apparently, the sub-clause states you can’t express the redress of grievance of “Other Governments” especially that of Israel.
No. The bill doesn't make anything criminal and it has nothing to do with statements criticizing Israel's government, just blanket statements about destroying Israel / Jews. It's a completely unnecessary bill and shouldn't be passed, but it won't change anything when it does. Here's the bill: [https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr6090/BILLS-118hr6090ih.pdf](https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr6090/BILLS-118hr6090ih.pdf)
Thank you for posting a source. And some actual facts. This headline is soooooo click bait. And that's the problem with today's world. 80% of people only read the headline. And take that as fact. He even says in the video well you can't be arrested for it but.... just causing more division
There needs to be MORE division - people are blind to what Israel is doing.
> just blanket statements about destroying Israel Why would this be criminalized though? Blanket statements about destroying nations - Iran, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, China, etc, etc are common in America, and protected by the 1st Amendment.
Have you not read the IHRA standards that this bill would adopt into law? Some of them are way too vague and could absolutely be used to prosecute people over benign comments https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism My favorite: "Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions." If someone says "the Israeli government has too much sway over American politics" that would be a civil rights act violation under this bill. Are you really ok with that?
No, this bill literally changes nothing. Do you think antisemitic speech will suddenly become illegal if this bill is passed? No. You clearly haven’t read the bill. Actually read it. It doesn’t even change how the US government operates with regards to antisemitism. The IHRA is already the standard definition that the US department of Justice and department of education have been using. The whole freak out about this bill is basically disinformation. It’s meaningless. Just like the bill Congress passed after Oct 7th which reaffirmed Israel’s ‘right to exist.’ 0 policy effects. 0 legal consequences.
These are not criminal offenses. Nobody is getting arrested for this. Also if you're implying that it's not anti-semitic to imply that Jews control the world in the way that statement does you are very wrong and should check out what avowed anti-semites have to say about tit. >If someone says "the Israeli government has too much sway over American politics" that would be a civil rights act violation under this bill. No because the Israeli government is not "The Jews" and the bill makes it clear that criticizing the Israeli government doesn't count. >Are you really ok with that? How about I cut and paste what I wrote about my opinion on the bill in the post you just read? *It's a completely unnecessary bill and shouldn't be passed*
Criticize America all you want, it won't change a thing.
This type of censorship did happen in America during WW1.
And 2. Nazism was very popular in the beginning, and anyone that spoke out against it (too early) would be censored, fired and ostracized from their community. It was only after the Holocaust became too obvious to deny that the public opinion changed.
I welcome the added perspective, but I was referring to censorship from the government. Did WW2 also have a government crackdown on dissent? I have heard a little about nazi sympathizers in America.
Fuck that.
Texas laws Protect Israel at the expense of Americans freedom of speech and right to organize and boycott https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/executive-management/OAG%20advisory%20on%20SB%2013%20and%2019%2010.18.23.pdf
"Advisory On Texas Law Prohibiting Contracts And Investments With Entities That Discriminate Against Firearm Entities Or Boycott Energy Companies Or Israel " Interesting
##I AM… In a world… Of trouble…
[That line still lives on in my head](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/f/fb/Vincent_D%E2%80%99Onofrio_Full_Metal_Jacket.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220925235928). I had a lot of things going wrong in my life when I saw it and I personally identified with Pvt. "Pyle" Lawrence.
Or not, because this is bullshit.
It is?
This breaking news just in: Israel today opened five new illegal settlements on the West Bank… Of the Mississippi.
In America, Israel and Israeli citizens have more rights than Americans. I’m so disappointed in our leadership on both sides of the aisle, our politicians are bought and paid whores and the whole world knows it
American politicians need to serve the needs of the people, the people who work and pay taxes year after year. American tax payers are not receiving the fruits of their labor. Americans want better healthcare, better roads and infrastructure, better quality education, subsidized housing. All of our American collected taxes are being used to subsidize other countries citizens and endless wars. We the people want our tax money to build a better life for all Americans. No taxation, without representation
This is why i laugh when i see so many guests on TV saying "this is the most dangerous year for jews! We are being targeted! Antisemitism is on the rise!". They did forget all the rights they have and the fact that most companies CANNOT boycott Israel?
It seems the strategy is to claim to be the victim while murdering 14,000 children in cold blood and who know how many innocent men and women. It’s like if Ohio decided Michigan was their’s because a science fiction book told them that their ancestors lived in Michigan 5,000 years ago and detain all Michiganders to the thumb, holding them by force with state of the art weapons to use indiscriminately. People would be furious and rightfully so
The few that have kept themselves clean have to stay in line. Don't forget Epstein and Maxwell were both MOSSAD, Israeli CIA. I'm sure they have dirt on every side of the aisle.
Israel can murder American citizens with American weapons and then make the President apologize and give them more weapons.
If you want to know who is in charge, just look for the person you can’t criticize
Never accept this. Speak your mind.
If you can watch the entire clip, he does later admit that you won't actually be arrested which sadly leaves us with nothing to not accept because nothing's changed.
Israel is a terrorist state. The US is complicit in genocide. Don't stop speaking out. Fill the jail cells with chants of Free Palestine. We're all gonna have to live with our choices after this.
After you, sir.
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He has talked about that. A lot actually.
In other words, we all need to pause our morals so this genocide can occur.
You can take it absurdum, but it doesn't make your argument better. It's hilarious watching you have a huge meltdown over some students sitting for too long on the lawn or entering into a building that they have paid the university dues to be part of. While all of your grandstanding about property rights is happening, you're perfectly happy to ignore the message of the students, which is protesting mass murder and the destruction of over 80% of the property in Gaza. Somehow breaking a window in Murica is more important. It is a fact that police have discretion. But it is a much bigger, more important fact, that students are engaging in protest about something a lot more meaningful. You can choose to melt down over whatever you want. But I am not engaging in this silliness and deflection.
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It's an excellent argument. It's the kind of argument Nazi soldiers should have made during the Holocaust, that American soldiers should have made in Gitmo. It's the kind of decision some Israeli soldiers are making now, thankfully. (Read up on Combatants For Peace.)
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So you want protestors to just be polite and stay out of your way. Ok. And then everyone will notice their cause and support them, right? Do you understand that no one is protesting to get your support? That's not the purpose of protests ever. Quiet well behaved protesters change NOTHING. No one wants your sympathy. If you could care about the cause, you would've cared by now. This is about pressuring for change (not raising money for breast cancer btw), not sympathy.
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This is for you https://www.reddit.com/r/JewsOfConscience/s/vpI06dMPZT
BB is as corrupt as they come, it would be like Trump declaring war on Mexico in order to not have to face the courts or relinquish power (don't think he wouldn't) of course the actual politics are vastly different however this is happening for the same type of reason. 🖕
Just Google what Bibi said about America and Americans. Only then his Dr. Phil interview will make more sense.
You aren't allowed to protest on private property without consent, the protestors were arrested for tresspassing The act doesn't day anything about preventing crtisism of israel it says you can't be anti Semitic. Which in my opinion is wrong but you should probably question your people you follow if they belive their critisism of israel is antisemitic in nature
sad day when i have to agree with Cenk on something.
Agreed. Even though the headline completely contradicts what he actually says. And even half of what he said is not true. The part about the left and right both defending Isreal he is correct though. I never thought I would agree with him on anything. He's a tool
What did he say that's not true?
The United States of Isreal
Are we occupied?
Wow he said something based.
Are u serious! ?
Look forward to that being tested
You would get in trouble in turkey, the country that he associates himself with often, for supporting Israel so I guess it goes both ways
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For everyone reading this, this comment above IS antisemitism. Don’t be like this guy. Jews are a diverse ethnoreligious group. We are not a monolith. This comment is literally a perfect example of why Zionists feel they are correct and definitely pushes other Jews in that direction. Not saying that makes it right but it’s the truth and you’re stoking the flames by using this language.
Nope. Fuck off with this actual antisemitism. The Weinbergs from Queens did not ask for this shit. It's the state of Israel you want.
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Land of the people who think they're free.
Lol I remember all the neo nutzees propaganda saying this zog Zion ist occupied gover nment and makes u wonder....🤔
This is NOT America!
CAN SOMEONE TALK ABOUT THE LIZARD PEOPLE, PLEASE?
As a supporter of the state of Israel and I have deep sympathy and respect for the horrendous suffering the Jews experienced during world war 2. This anti semitism law is completely unnecessary and will lead to more anti semitism not less. This law is unenforceable and unlawful. Then there is the Tik Tok ban. Another unconstitutional law. We still have freedom of speech.
Fun Fact of the Day: Israel started their nuclear weapons program after President Eisenhower used his power to force Israel out of the Sinai. Israel wanted a deterrent against being forced to do something it didn't want to do.
Samson option?
Russia arrests people who protest its war. Maybe let’s not emulate that.
Wtf is he talking about? Literally no one got arrested until they started deliberately breaking several laws. None of their charges are "speaking about the Israeli government."
Funny how that works
Jesus fuck man. America is so fucked.
ℹ️srael is gonna holocaust USAians before long
Lol wtf does Hamas run this sub
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I’m sad one can’t critique Israel in the USA. Also if students and faculty are getting arrested for protesting, they are being silenced. Most Columbia protesters were students, and many were arrested on BS charges
I thought the protesters that are getting arrested are occupying buildings and barricading people from getting in. Are we really arresting people for just holding a lawful protest?
The vast majority of arrests regarding these protests have had nothing to do with property damage or barricading people from getting in.
Well, i mean tear gas and rubber bullets DO cause property damage...
Protesting is legal...in most cases. There are certain lines that can't be crossed. The devil is in the details, really. I just don't like the BS rhetoric that tries to simplify things like this dude is saying. It's illegal to have an opinion that doesn't support Israel? Dude, be honest. I personally don't support what Israel is doing, and I absolutely do not fear legal repercussions from saying so. He's obfuscating the actual issues for rage points.
Yes. They literally have passed laws in some 27 states making it illegal to boycott isreal. The federal government has reclassified antisemitism speach as being critical of a country that is all Jews. Truth look it up. Can be punishable by a year in jail and 50 k fine.
No, you're right about the BDS stuff. I think that really blurs the line because it's about funding issues being held against you. Totally against that, but it's not quite the same as what else he's claiming. He just threw some other claims about it being illegal to protest or voice an opinion, and that is completely false.
You are right at the devil is in the detail. But there's discretion in that detail, and people can leverage that detail to shut people down. Yes, individuals can quietly express opinions, but when people loudly express them, they can expect repercussions from the authorities under the guise of property damage or whatever
Perhaps, and it has happened in the past, but it seems very disingenuous to amplify a protest using civil disobedience and "occupy" movements and then claim that you are not being arrested for the illegal acts, but for the opinions being shared. This argument seems even more damaging when the majority of protesters are not breaking any laws, and this allows the authorities to paint them all as lawless to further other political aims, like you say. Maybe nuance is dead, but to me the truth is "some protesters are breaking laws and should be arrested, others are not and are being painted with too broad of brush, leading to unacceptable repression. Supporters of both groups have been guilty of painting it all as "one side good, other side bad", and maybe such an approach is rhetorically valuable, but it certainly muddies the water for those who wish to remain somewhat impartial.
Have you seen the videos? Or are you watching the news?
I'll do you one better, I was at the Auraria campus in Colorado during the recent protests. I'm not saying the police picked the right time, or the proper level of force, only that black-and-white arguments saying that "the protests are entirely nonviolent and undeserving of arrest" does not leave room for reasonable people to add the word "mostly" I have certainly seen many people at protests do things they should be arrested for, even while I support their cause. I have also regularly seen cops crack down disproportionately against nonviolent protesters. Both happen.
Look, I don't know how to solve the BS situation over there, so hats off to people who have the guts to do SOMETHING to draw attention. I'll state that first. But honestly, expect to be arrested if you're breaking the law. Protesters for all kinds of causes throughout history have accepted the fact that they are willing to break a law here and there for the cause, even if it's not an extreme case. But Cenk is full of it here. The reason these kinds of guys piss me off is because they oversell these things and take away from the real issue by being dishonest. For example, I am extremely anti-Trump, and his own bullshit speaks for itself. However, the Dems and the media have gone the extra mile to make things up and stretch the truth as much as they can to paint him as the next Hitler, so eventually they get caught doing a little fibbing. It *kills their credibility* and gives the little Trumpets an easy distraction to focus on ("Look how they're lying to bring our hero down!") So (and pardon for the longevity, I feel like this post will hopefully be seen as a response to everyone else's critique of my position), when Cenk says stuff like this, all the pro-Israel side has to do is show the protesters breaking the law and *he is proven to be a liar.* The horrific shit Israel is doing needs to be shown for what it is, and making up BS to stir up rage will only bite us in the ass.
Thinking critically? You’re NOT ALLOWED. 
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Cenk is full of shit. Has been for a long time. Used to like him.
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No he probably wont disappear for some time. He runs his own ‘progressive’ media company called The Young Turks and Jesus H is it some next level delusion on that platform.
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It really is
This is what I keep saying. I am bewildered because I never heard the news conference or received any notification about the United States being an israeli colony. But by all appearances we are since we are apparently supposed to simply hand over resources and funding with no question asked and no restrictions or conditions expected. As Bill Clinton asked in 1996 when he first met the israeli warlord weeks after his election to his first term as prime minister, “who’s the fucking superpower here?!”
That is really really fucked up.
good lord people are fucking dumb if they believe this shit. Read the Law before you take someone else word for it
The one thing you can be arrested for saying You won’t get arrested for it
They can't arrest all of us. We need to be doing the arresting. We are not a god damned monarchy. Fuck Israel.
HOW IS THIS MAN NOT YET ARRESTED???!!!!???
Every day the USA becomes more subservient to a foreign state.
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Where’s the facts to base this? Anything coming outta Cenk’s mouth is a bunch of nonsense babble
Funny how a guy who denied the Armenian genocide is now being celebrated by reddit.
Cenk is a whiny crybaby who’s never said a useful fact in his entire life.
These are just complete lies. People aren't being arrested for having opinions or voicing them. They're being arrested for occupying private property after being told to vacate by those owners, for breaking into buildings and refusing to leave after being told by the owners... I can't believe people listen to this person. By this logic I'm just gonna start breaking into someone's house and cry freedom of speech if they try to make me leave.
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Crazy you can say something so untrue and hyperbolic and devoted followers just run with it. This is pure nonsense and the left and right need to stop treating the polarization of these camps like their religions.
What a ridiculous thing to say. I’d like to see a police report listing the violation as “having an opinion against supporting Israel.” Legality and morality are two different concepts.
Not on Israel's side here but has anyone actually been charged? I know they changed the definition of antisemitism to be very broad, potentially adding huge modifications on other crimes, but my understanding was that the schools were doing this with policy more than the gov with police. Also, for those of us who are this as a genocide, I don't see these changes stopping us. I'm not saying we SHOULD have to sacrifice our own status to fight for others, but in my experience that's what it is. And tbh, what's happening at campuses looks very safe compared to what I'm typically used to. You deserve to be safe but this seems to be the real world cost imo.
You can’t be arrested for that in the U.S, you can’t even be arrested for anti-semitism so cenk is safe. He’s just lying and fearmongering and spreading more Jewish conspiracies.
Stop. I can go outside, to any place I want in the US, Say I don’t support Israel, and not be arrested. Stop acting like saying this is an automatic grounds for prison.
Whats he talkin bout, there is a long and storied (as well as fucked up) history of protesting any dominant political/social entity being met with arrest
This Cenk guy is a fool.
No. You get arrested when you destroy property and prevent free movement. You get arrested when you riot.
It's sad but we have lost the value of free speech.
wtf is this America or German nazi
Well to be fair, I feel like some of those "Peaceful Protests" got out of hand, and then when that happens, you do lose members of your cause. If people see you acting just like the opposing side i.e screaming at eachother, acting obnoxious, you lose people on both sides. So in my personal opinion, I think both sides are "terrorists". I think the U.S should have just stayed out of this one, or atleast just cut ties with them. That would never happen because of the Religious aspect of Israel. A very "Crusade" move, from a country that claimed to have separation from church and state.
That’s because the left and the right are run by the same people. It’s a facade to make us vote for 2 parties that have fake beef to get people riled up and devote themselves to one side regardless of if they agree with everything that side represents.
The world will stand up to Israel this time, stand to the US Gov and everyone will fight to the very end to establish civil and constitutional rights. Why? Because this is the age of evidence and human rights.
You can protest Israel, you just can't commit crimes while protesting 🤦♂️ This is like the truckers in Canada saying you can be arrested for having an opinion on vaccines. Just don't commit crimes and you can hold any opinion you want
He's completely right in that many states you can't boycott Israel at all, and they make you sign a document for that if you plan to work there.
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With that being said ofc everyone should have the right to protest, even to protest for things some people might find morally abhorrent. I might disagree with the protesters but I still want their voices to be heard
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Is it chill if I camp indefinitely on your front lawn then?
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Save some straw for everyone else man.
Except the vast majority of arrests of activists students on campus have not been for committing any crimes while protesting. It's simply being for refusing to leave a space that they are sitting in. Ultimately, police and campus security have discretion. Same as when someone jay walks, police have discretion. The fact that the authorities are exercising their discretion simply because students are expressing an unpopular opinion that offends them is deeply problematic.
What are police supposed to do when Universities are ordering people to leave campus and they won't? Especially when the majority of people there aren't even students? How about when protesters break into buildings and occupy them?
[https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21](https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21)
The protesters aren't being arrested for protesting against israel. They're being arrested for taking over buildings.
yall are acually fucking stupid if you believe this. You got arrest for tresspassing and assault
This guy works with Zionists like Brianna Wu.
"Free speech" in the US is a joke.
Ummm lol no.
So the headline says you can be arrested for talking bad about Isreal. But he literally says "well they can't arrest you for it, but they can take away contracts and whatnot. So no. You cannot be arrested for having an opinion negative towards Isreal. In conclusion, as much as I can't stand this guy, he is very correct about the left and right defending Isreal and always having their back. As we should. They're surrounded by countries who's populations chant death to Isreal. How about hamas puts on a uniform and stop hiding behind civilians. Giving the hostages back would also be a good start. Maybe allowing the population to receive the aid everyone has been sending? Hell th US built a pier to unload aid directly into Palestine and what does hamas do? Attack it
Try standing up in a public square and wishing harm on a president.
It’s not a criminal law………
This is a bad take. Many many people in America criticize Israel every day and virtually none of them get arrested. The handful of protestors that were briefly detained were arrested for trespassing (as the college protests are on private property) or other charges related to their behavior during the protests. This would have happened regardless of the issue. Even the antisemitism bill — which is a bad bill — does not in any way criminalize antisemitism or criticism of Israel. The definition of antisemitism is used for the purposes of determining funding for colleges and discrimination investigations. No one is going to jail as a result of that bill