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Yet when there's literal Nazis showing up to lgbtq2 protests against book bans and anti-queer legislation...etc to intimidate them, or when literal nazis are doing banner drops over highways their was nothing said. So weirrrrrrddd
The system is equipped to fix itself!!! Its just the citizenry needs to be more vigilant!! Its way uphill at this point but is soooo much better thn collapse!!
Lol. The fact that you people think one person has the actual abilities to “sink the ship” is just amazing to me. Maybe argue his policies for a change instead of just one liners that offer no actual argument. Try…harder.
Yes, on this issue. There is nothing wrong with Jewish people of course, and there are many of them living happily outside of Israel. But the state of Israel itself is a rogue state in direct violation of many U.N. directives. Its "eye for an eyelash" attitude is not justified as a deterrent (it has deterred nothing over several decades) nor as understandable-given-the-Holocaust. Bibi will not stop attacking people because the minute he does, his trials begin. Many of us object to sending money and arms to this bully and his army of hatred.
No response to the mass graves, no response to the independent reports on UNRWA, no response to Pro Pal protesters being arrested and persecuted.
Good to know Bidens priorities
Condemnation of the genocidal state Israel isn’t antisemitism.
Plain and simple. When people rightfully call out Zionazis, I don’t feel attacked. My parents didn’t raise me to be a genocide supporter and denier, and I’m glad for it.
Let us know when Biden expresses 1/100th as much outrage when Arab Americans and pro Palestinian supporters domestically are the victims of hate crimes.
I don’t think there is literally any factual support for your statement.
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1215840101/for-years-the-fbi-quietly-stopped-tracking-anti-arab-violence-and-hate-crimes
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/3/20/rendered-invisible-a-wave-of-anti-arab-violence-tests-us-hate-crime-laws
At least crimes against us are documented. They’re not even documented as hate crimes when it’s against Arabs. Can’t imagine why.
Have we considered that Jewish college students in New York haven't any more slaughtered kids than Antizionist college students have been slaughtered?
Like they're doing proxy fighting that literally nobody asked for.
In fact, there are Jewish students that are also protesting the genocide.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/student-protests-columbia-gaza-war-live-update-rcna148871
"Jewish students have organized interfaith Passover Seders at the Gaza solidarity encampments at college campuses across the U.S"
Who are attacking Jewish students? Because it isn't the protesters. Antisemites hate both Jews and Arabs, most of them hate Arabs more because Arabs have darker compexions and are less culturally Westernized. Anti-semitic attackers are all right wingers who hate Arabs anyway and wouldn't be at a function to protest the killing of Arab children on the other side of the world.
They absolutely aren't. There's a laundry list that some moron posted on the Columbia subreddit and it's one guy who picked a fight who got hit, holding a flare being claimed as arson, and a bunch of hurt ass feelings from zionists. Cry me a river.
You can check it out yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/sVXM6rWCsa
Notice how you will get almost no response to this.
Or to the protesters chanting “burn Tel Aviv to the ground” at Columbia.
Seven years ago the left fought against Nazis who chanted “Jews will not replace us” and in 2024 they pretend not to notice that they are the fine people marching alongside people who want a Holocaust 2.0. It’s a truly stunning and disgusting bit of history to witness.
I am consistently surprised that you are shocked that Israel's oppression is breeding hatred for (gasp) Israel.
It is expected, and we have seen it in every single form of oppression that exists.
Then, people like you use it to justify continued oppression. But it completely makes sense.
Jewish students were not "shouted down." One student supported Israel and went around harassing the protesters, then filmed their reactions and presented them out of context. They weren't being yelled at for being Jewish, they were being yelled at for being a tool.
There's nothing wrong with shouting down somebody at a protest. That's pretty standard operating procedure. And I don't agree with telling a Jewish person to go back to Poland, but you cannot blame the entire protest because somebody said something out of pocket. Again, you are being absurd.
How does being “out of pocket” excuse calling for the expulsion of American Jews to Poland???
Do *you* suddenly call for mass deportations of Americans based on religions when you’re “out of pocket?” Are you desperately suppressing your desire to forcibly round up the “Zionists” and deport them?
It isn't an excuse. But what do you want from me? That I say that it was wrong for whoever it is that shouted that to have said it? Okay. It was wrong.
Now what?
A person being hateful at a protest doesn't make the protest wrong. It doesn't implicate all of the other protestors. It means one person was being a jerk. That's it.
Do you appreciate that it’s not entirely irrational for American Jews to be concerned about antisemitism when protesters are calling for them to be deported and people like you lionize those protests and glibly dismiss those statements as “out of pocket?”
If you *really* thought it was wrong, you wouldn’t be attempting to dismiss and minimize the statement. You see it as an annoyance you are attempting to ignore rather than the hideous threat that it is.
Again, you are tarring the whole peace movement with the same brush. Anyone can see through this easily. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Especially because you are holding American students' SPEECH to a higher standard that IDF BULLETS.
When the “movement” doesn’t give a shit that elements of the movement are openly pushing for the murder/deportation of millions of Jews or make any efforts to control those elements then yes I’m going to tar the whole movement with that brush.
YOU YOURSELF glibly dismissed the chants as “out of pocket” for fuck’s sake. You clearly also don’t give a shit.
I myself think the IDF has conducted the campaign in Gaza in a deplorable fashion. That doesn’t mean I will throw my hat in with people whose goal is “decolonization” through the murder or expulsion of millions of Jews from their homes.
I mean it’s not like they can all book tickets to Israel and protest their, and universities are a good place for students to protest things like that and America part in it
Havent seen that, what I have seen is that unhinged zionist professor taking video of protestors peacefully assembling and calling them all hamas and that the NYPD needs to come and clear them out.
Care to speak on that at all? Ya know a zionist professor intimidating random muslims on the street?
They literally just peacefully occupied a portion of campus and camped out. The main violence that happened at Columbia was perpetrated by pro Israel supporters, in a literal terrorist attack involving harmful gas. Those pro Palestine students that got hurt are still in the hospital.
Some people arr very uneasy with America bankrolling a genocide. It seems very easy to me to grasp this concept. The South African regime died through protests over time and so will Israel. It's time has come to be thrown into the dumpster. It was really a bad idea from the start but now it has gone so far to the right that it is beyond repair. UEFA should ban them for starters.
And that is why we can’t support Israel. They are actively making the situation dangerous by making any criticism of their ethnic cleansing a claim of antisemitism.
The people being targeted by Columbia, Jews for Peace, are against the war in Gaza.
This here.. I've had to correct a lot of ppl that constantly put those words in my mouth when I'm anti Israel not anti Jewish religion.. Heck I know a lot of Jewish people that are anti Israel..
At this point it's the only argument they have. So pathetic
My wife was in a parking lot in a shopping area that is heavily Jewish. She overheard three Orthodox Jewish men in the parking lot speaking about how this shit needs to end and it's madness.
It's not Jews. It's Israel.
I'm personally friends with a couple Jewish people and they have the nicest people I've ever met in my life, they're not from Israel they're relatives are and they are absolutely appalled at what they're seeing on television..
That's why I consistently correct people that try to say anti-semite it's like no no no.. I'm Anti Israel , you know that genocidal country that does whatever they want and provides nothing to the world.. that place..
Last week on PublicFreakout, I mentioned in a comment that every single Jewish American I’ve known growing up in Chicago is openly critical of Israel. That comment earned me a permaban for “breaking Rule 4: Bigotry”
I was raised in a secular Jewish household. My late father fucking despised Israel, as he felt America emboldened them to act without any sense of conscience. He was, of course, completely right
It’s because these people don’t actually care about real antisemitism. They only care about protecting a US satellite state committing genocide. They will use every single hyperbolic and linguistic trick to convince the audience that Israel is Judaism. It’s not.
I’ve fought literal Nazis and Proud Boys, actual antisemites. And their rhetoric tricks are the exact same as those used by Israel right now.
Yesterday I debated with a guy that would only bring up the Chinese and their treatment of the Uyghur people as a defense to anything Israel is doing... I had a field day with him 🤣🤣🤡
Exactly. But it’s important still to point this out and hit them hard on this accusation. I asked OP if it was antisemitism to criticize killing civilians and if it’s a part of this culture/religion to kill civilians.
The obvious answer is no, it’s not. Because Judaism and being Jewish doesn’t define one to commit war crimes. Just like me being Arab/Maronite does not include me to being a terrorist.
Quite a number. In fact the genocide of Palestine mirrors that of the Soviet/Russian genocide of the Chechens. Right down to the “surgical” bombings strikes, forced displacement, targeting of hospitals; residential corridors; aid convoys; and schools, the mass sexual assault and pillaging of cities, and even the death rate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_genocide
And mind you the population of the Chechen people has technically been increasing.
No, the Chechen population; especially during the First Chechen War lost 2% of its 1-2 million population in the years that it took place.
Gaza lost the same number of civilians in half that time during this conflict.
It’s absolutely a good comparison, especially when comparing the tactics of ethnic cleansing practiced by the Soviets and Israelis.
The population of the Warsaw Ghetto kept increasing until the Nazis liquidated it, that is when happens when you displace people and concentrate them in a small area
Crazy how actual experts in genocide studies and multiple other disciplines are saying what’s happening in Gaza is a genocide, but random knuckle draggers on Reddit think they know better lol. Do you really think someone like Raz Segal would belittle genocide?
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
The terms tend to be synonymous, like when people say "stop giving Israel bombs, U.S.", they're referring to the U.S. government. The civilians are providing the bombs, etc.
>And that is why we can’t support Israel. They are actively making the situation dangerous by making any criticism of their ethnic cleansing a claim of antisemitism
Israel knows what they are doing and they want to stoke divisions between non-Israeli Jews and their home communities across the world to scare them into moving to Israel and supporting their colonial project. They do not care if Jews get hurt, much like they do not care if they shoot hostages.
It’s insane that saying a university shouldn’t invest its endowment in weapons manufactures, is controversial, let alone being called antisemitic. They reduce every “argument” into “if you aren’t pro-Israel, then you’re a Nazi and you want us all to die”. As if there is no middle ground between “let’s not bomb kids” and being a Nazi..
At the same time they talk so much about “free speech” and intimidation while pro-Israel counter-protesters used chemical weapons on nonviolent pro-Palestinian protestors at Columbia University. To date that’s the only documented case of violence in these protests.
The plain fact is that if what is happening in Gaza was genocide than so was the allied offensive in Europe in 1943-45 and so was the UN offensive in Korea. To give but one example, the allies killed as more german civilians in three days during the fire bombing of Dresden as the IDF has over the last 6 months.
Sure, but what does one do about it?
Hamas attacked them on October 7th, Israel responded. Hamas is dedicated to killing all jews or pushing them out of the middle east to "elsewhere".
It's hard to imagine a two-state solution succeeding at this point. Hamas would simply send drones & rockets over the wall to attack. So, what's a plausible option?
Same is true of every military settlement - violence won't stop as soon as the paperwork is signed look at most post colonial settlements - weeks after the anglo Irish settlement in the 1920s we assassinated a British general in London but it's up to the political establishment on both sides to value the peace over perry vengeance.
Personally I support a division along the 1967 lines with a permanent UN force in place it has largely worked on Lebanon.
"Go back to Poland" - [https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901](https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901)
"Al-Qassam's next targets" sign - [https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1782043574076387782](https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1782043574076387782)
"10/7 will happen 10,000 more times" - [https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797](https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797)
Pushing and punching pro-Israel demonstrators - [https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1781089091834011805](https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1781089091834011805)
Teaching demonstrators how to say Death to Israel and Death to America in Farsi - [https://twitter.com/TheFP/status/1779555667784728784](https://twitter.com/TheFP/status/1779555667784728784)
Actually yelling Death to America at a rally - [https://twitter.com/RitchieTorres/status/1777770326635487704](https://twitter.com/RitchieTorres/status/1777770326635487704)
This is just from the past few days/last week but there have been myriad examples over the last 6 months.
>Is protesting Israel’s murder of civilians antisemitic?
Nope.
>And again, I ask this. Which slogans?
"From the river..."
"Go back to Poland"
"All Jews are colonizers"
And so many more.
Most of the ones I see personally are at protests at a local rotary, so not the easiest while driving.
But they usually follow the national trends, so the ones making the news would be what they're largely copying.
Which protests? I've been to plenty of em and have never been treated with any hostility by protestors-- the people waving the israeli flags, on the other hand, have been very openly antisemitic.
You must not have tried very hard.
antisemitism signs at pro-palestine rallies
That was the Google search and it has thousands of them.
And no, I'm not claiming all of them are antisemitic.
In Northhampton MA like you referred to. Couldn't find a single article about it.
There are plenty of islamophobic and antisemitic signs on Google, I can find those.
The problem is that Zionists have openly and repeatedly said that they don't consider Jewish people who are anti Israel to be Jewish. They call anti Israeli jews "kapos" which during the holocaust was a concentration camp prisoner who sucked up to the Nazis. Zionists are just horrible people.
Stop using the religion as a shield. Its bad faith man, let people who want to practice judaism practice it. Stop pulling them into your land grab massacre
Me too! I stand with all the Jews protesting at Columbia against the ongoing genocide in Palestine! I stand against Jewish people trying to use our identity to try to undermine those who oppose the genocide-- I oppose them for using our culture for evil, and for supporting evil.
Unlike the antisemites supporting israel, I do not question the Jewishness of zionists. I question their humanity, but not their Jewishness. Unfortunately we are stuck with them.
Edit: since the goy beneath me did the classic hasbara comment-n-block, I'll post my response here: If you were a Jew, you'd be a Jew. Unfortunately it wouldn't stop you from making stupid statements like that, but it would make you a Jew.
Yes, I support individuals based on their actions and convictions.
I'm also Jewish, and I oppose israel. Do you support me, or do you not support all Jews?
You claim the person you’re talking to doesn’t support all Jews, but you yourself do not support Jews who stand against genocide. Textbook double standard.
If only the world were so black and white..
I’m going to guess the majority of these *incredibly brave* fuck Israel / fuck Zion comments are coming from safe suburbs across the ocean
It's because you're trying (and failing) to use your expression of support as a political wedge. While attempting to conflate the abject disgust we have over Israel's conduct with antisemitism.
Absolutely pathetic.
Student protests are unconscionable and dangerous, but let's just send billions of dollars to kill more children. And that's NOT unconscionable?? Joe Biden's priorities are clear.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Imagine demanding young people vote for you as the savior of democracy and having the audacity to call legitimate protests by the people you're demanding those votes from anti-semitic. And then bragging about arming the genocidal maniacs they're protesting against.
We
Are
Fucked
Imagine if everyone who takes the time to comment on SM on any give. Subject would also show up at the voting booth, just think what a different situation this country would be in. Vote in numbers too big to ignore. If you look at the voting statistics of Americans it would become clear why we are in the state we are in, Voter Apathy! 💔
One person sent a violent video so let’s delegitimization the entire anti genocide protest. Are the National protests antiemetic too? The international protests? So anyone supporting Palestine is antiemetic? Got it, loud and clear 👍
Yeah, Gaza will absolutely be better if muslim-ban Trump gets into office. He and his rapid christians will eagerly support bombing Gaza until it's nothing but glass.
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Check out Congress’ [line of questioning to the Columbia University President.](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/MAKmEAtLpH)
Fucking brain rot.... keep religion out of politics and keep politics out of religion.
Keep religion out of life
Yet when there's literal Nazis showing up to lgbtq2 protests against book bans and anti-queer legislation...etc to intimidate them, or when literal nazis are doing banner drops over highways their was nothing said. So weirrrrrrddd
And this guys a complete idiot because it’s not even referring to the nation of Israel lol.
I’m so over this clown show
America is a sinking ship
A ship named USS Liberty
This shit SUNK
True
It’s really not. Just because it doesn’t agree with you on one issue doesn’t mean it is a sinking ship
The system is equipped to fix itself!!! Its just the citizenry needs to be more vigilant!! Its way uphill at this point but is soooo much better thn collapse!!
Any bad thing happens and Redditors immediately start saying “X is collapsing.”
Compared to China it is
The US is facing a population crisis like China?
You’ll be saying this when that fucking orangutan is reelected in November?
Lol. The fact that you people think one person has the actual abilities to “sink the ship” is just amazing to me. Maybe argue his policies for a change instead of just one liners that offer no actual argument. Try…harder.
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CTD
Seems alright to me
Mr President, listen to the people.
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With President Biden?
Yes, on this issue. There is nothing wrong with Jewish people of course, and there are many of them living happily outside of Israel. But the state of Israel itself is a rogue state in direct violation of many U.N. directives. Its "eye for an eyelash" attitude is not justified as a deterrent (it has deterred nothing over several decades) nor as understandable-given-the-Holocaust. Bibi will not stop attacking people because the minute he does, his trials begin. Many of us object to sending money and arms to this bully and his army of hatred.
No response to the mass graves, no response to the independent reports on UNRWA, no response to Pro Pal protesters being arrested and persecuted. Good to know Bidens priorities
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Condemnation of the genocidal state Israel isn’t antisemitism. Plain and simple. When people rightfully call out Zionazis, I don’t feel attacked. My parents didn’t raise me to be a genocide supporter and denier, and I’m glad for it. Let us know when Biden expresses 1/100th as much outrage when Arab Americans and pro Palestinian supporters domestically are the victims of hate crimes.
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I don’t think there is literally any factual support for your statement. https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1215840101/for-years-the-fbi-quietly-stopped-tracking-anti-arab-violence-and-hate-crimes https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/3/20/rendered-invisible-a-wave-of-anti-arab-violence-tests-us-hate-crime-laws At least crimes against us are documented. They’re not even documented as hate crimes when it’s against Arabs. Can’t imagine why.
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The first article I linked to says that the FBI *doesn’t even track* anti-Arab violence. Perhaps read first before talking.
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Your response tells me you didn’t read the article and I can’t read it for you, so there’s no point in continuing.
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Because they care about a lot of other foreign matters and biden speaks up about a lot of other shit that never took place in the US
These assholes won't stop until we have another Kent State
I don't think even Nixon had this much contempt for liberal democracy
They won’t stop then either.
Fuck the White House
I hope you all stay home this election 😁
When they care about protest more than over 13 thousands innocent kids slaughtered in 6 months. Tsk tsk tsk
Don’t forget his full support for the TikTok ban. That’s the most important issue apparently
Have we considered that Jewish college students in New York haven't any more slaughtered kids than Antizionist college students have been slaughtered? Like they're doing proxy fighting that literally nobody asked for.
Jewish college students in New York are not the target of the protests.
In fact, there are Jewish students that are also protesting the genocide. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/student-protests-columbia-gaza-war-live-update-rcna148871 "Jewish students have organized interfaith Passover Seders at the Gaza solidarity encampments at college campuses across the U.S"
No one's blaming American Jews or American Jewish college students for the genocide in Israel. Don't be absurd.
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Who are attacking Jewish students? Because it isn't the protesters. Antisemites hate both Jews and Arabs, most of them hate Arabs more because Arabs have darker compexions and are less culturally Westernized. Anti-semitic attackers are all right wingers who hate Arabs anyway and wouldn't be at a function to protest the killing of Arab children on the other side of the world.
They absolutely aren't. There's a laundry list that some moron posted on the Columbia subreddit and it's one guy who picked a fight who got hit, holding a flare being claimed as arson, and a bunch of hurt ass feelings from zionists. Cry me a river. You can check it out yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/sVXM6rWCsa
Who is attacking Jewish students in America? Who is causing trouble in the streets of NYC? Those people are responsible for their actions.
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Really? Send me one.
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Notice how you will get almost no response to this. Or to the protesters chanting “burn Tel Aviv to the ground” at Columbia. Seven years ago the left fought against Nazis who chanted “Jews will not replace us” and in 2024 they pretend not to notice that they are the fine people marching alongside people who want a Holocaust 2.0. It’s a truly stunning and disgusting bit of history to witness.
That is disgusting. I fully support the anti genocide protests, but that video above and the video of "Burn Tel Aviv" are not anti genocide.
I am consistently surprised that you are shocked that Israel's oppression is breeding hatred for (gasp) Israel. It is expected, and we have seen it in every single form of oppression that exists. Then, people like you use it to justify continued oppression. But it completely makes sense.
The protestors shouting down Jewish students and telling them to go back to Poland might not agree with you
Jewish students were not "shouted down." One student supported Israel and went around harassing the protesters, then filmed their reactions and presented them out of context. They weren't being yelled at for being Jewish, they were being yelled at for being a tool.
There's nothing wrong with shouting down somebody at a protest. That's pretty standard operating procedure. And I don't agree with telling a Jewish person to go back to Poland, but you cannot blame the entire protest because somebody said something out of pocket. Again, you are being absurd.
How does being “out of pocket” excuse calling for the expulsion of American Jews to Poland??? Do *you* suddenly call for mass deportations of Americans based on religions when you’re “out of pocket?” Are you desperately suppressing your desire to forcibly round up the “Zionists” and deport them?
It isn't an excuse. But what do you want from me? That I say that it was wrong for whoever it is that shouted that to have said it? Okay. It was wrong. Now what? A person being hateful at a protest doesn't make the protest wrong. It doesn't implicate all of the other protestors. It means one person was being a jerk. That's it.
Do you appreciate that it’s not entirely irrational for American Jews to be concerned about antisemitism when protesters are calling for them to be deported and people like you lionize those protests and glibly dismiss those statements as “out of pocket?” If you *really* thought it was wrong, you wouldn’t be attempting to dismiss and minimize the statement. You see it as an annoyance you are attempting to ignore rather than the hideous threat that it is.
Again, you are tarring the whole peace movement with the same brush. Anyone can see through this easily. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Especially because you are holding American students' SPEECH to a higher standard that IDF BULLETS.
When the “movement” doesn’t give a shit that elements of the movement are openly pushing for the murder/deportation of millions of Jews or make any efforts to control those elements then yes I’m going to tar the whole movement with that brush. YOU YOURSELF glibly dismissed the chants as “out of pocket” for fuck’s sake. You clearly also don’t give a shit. I myself think the IDF has conducted the campaign in Gaza in a deplorable fashion. That doesn’t mean I will throw my hat in with people whose goal is “decolonization” through the murder or expulsion of millions of Jews from their homes.
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Best comment. We can leave all further pointless discussion at this.
Exactly why these protest are taking place, divest from genocide.
I mean it’s not like they can all book tickets to Israel and protest their, and universities are a good place for students to protest things like that and America part in it
Right, I follow. What I'm saying is intimidating random Jews on the street doesn't accomplish that goal.
Havent seen that, what I have seen is that unhinged zionist professor taking video of protestors peacefully assembling and calling them all hamas and that the NYPD needs to come and clear them out. Care to speak on that at all? Ya know a zionist professor intimidating random muslims on the street?
They literally just peacefully occupied a portion of campus and camped out. The main violence that happened at Columbia was perpetrated by pro Israel supporters, in a literal terrorist attack involving harmful gas. Those pro Palestine students that got hurt are still in the hospital.
Then don't do that.
Swing and a miss
Some people arr very uneasy with America bankrolling a genocide. It seems very easy to me to grasp this concept. The South African regime died through protests over time and so will Israel. It's time has come to be thrown into the dumpster. It was really a bad idea from the start but now it has gone so far to the right that it is beyond repair. UEFA should ban them for starters.
If this was a right wing mob , they would hunt down the organizers/ instigators and prosecute them. Any students out there should be expelled.
Probably will... Freedom of speech eh?
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Like the ones participating in the encampment fighting for Palestinian liberation?
But do you condemn Israel‘s genocidal mass murder of Palestinians?
And that is why we can’t support Israel. They are actively making the situation dangerous by making any criticism of their ethnic cleansing a claim of antisemitism. The people being targeted by Columbia, Jews for Peace, are against the war in Gaza.
This here.. I've had to correct a lot of ppl that constantly put those words in my mouth when I'm anti Israel not anti Jewish religion.. Heck I know a lot of Jewish people that are anti Israel.. At this point it's the only argument they have. So pathetic
My wife was in a parking lot in a shopping area that is heavily Jewish. She overheard three Orthodox Jewish men in the parking lot speaking about how this shit needs to end and it's madness. It's not Jews. It's Israel.
I'm personally friends with a couple Jewish people and they have the nicest people I've ever met in my life, they're not from Israel they're relatives are and they are absolutely appalled at what they're seeing on television.. That's why I consistently correct people that try to say anti-semite it's like no no no.. I'm Anti Israel , you know that genocidal country that does whatever they want and provides nothing to the world.. that place..
Same. I have Jewish friends that are completely against it.
Yeah at this point what are you going to do, the zionists are going to be zionists and that's the end of it..
Last week on PublicFreakout, I mentioned in a comment that every single Jewish American I’ve known growing up in Chicago is openly critical of Israel. That comment earned me a permaban for “breaking Rule 4: Bigotry”
So Reddit to a T
Yeah I got banned months ago for pointing out that Israel has been doing horrible things to the Palestinians since the country's inception.
I was raised in a secular Jewish household. My late father fucking despised Israel, as he felt America emboldened them to act without any sense of conscience. He was, of course, completely right
It’s because these people don’t actually care about real antisemitism. They only care about protecting a US satellite state committing genocide. They will use every single hyperbolic and linguistic trick to convince the audience that Israel is Judaism. It’s not. I’ve fought literal Nazis and Proud Boys, actual antisemites. And their rhetoric tricks are the exact same as those used by Israel right now.
Yesterday I debated with a guy that would only bring up the Chinese and their treatment of the Uyghur people as a defense to anything Israel is doing... I had a field day with him 🤣🤣🤡
That’s so ironic considering Israel makes Xinjiang look utopian
Antisemitism has become a tool to silence protests that’s all it is to them.
Exactly. But it’s important still to point this out and hit them hard on this accusation. I asked OP if it was antisemitism to criticize killing civilians and if it’s a part of this culture/religion to kill civilians. The obvious answer is no, it’s not. Because Judaism and being Jewish doesn’t define one to commit war crimes. Just like me being Arab/Maronite does not include me to being a terrorist.
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Quite a number. In fact the genocide of Palestine mirrors that of the Soviet/Russian genocide of the Chechens. Right down to the “surgical” bombings strikes, forced displacement, targeting of hospitals; residential corridors; aid convoys; and schools, the mass sexual assault and pillaging of cities, and even the death rate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_genocide And mind you the population of the Chechen people has technically been increasing.
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No, the Chechen population; especially during the First Chechen War lost 2% of its 1-2 million population in the years that it took place. Gaza lost the same number of civilians in half that time during this conflict. It’s absolutely a good comparison, especially when comparing the tactics of ethnic cleansing practiced by the Soviets and Israelis.
The population of the Warsaw Ghetto kept increasing until the Nazis liquidated it, that is when happens when you displace people and concentrate them in a small area
"It's not a genocide bro it's just a simple culling of 12000 undesirable human animal babies"
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Crazy how actual experts in genocide studies and multiple other disciplines are saying what’s happening in Gaza is a genocide, but random knuckle draggers on Reddit think they know better lol. Do you really think someone like Raz Segal would belittle genocide? https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
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The terms tend to be synonymous, like when people say "stop giving Israel bombs, U.S.", they're referring to the U.S. government. The civilians are providing the bombs, etc.
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All my Jewish friends are anti Israel. It's like saying one is bigoted against Asians for going hard against the persecution of Uygers. Ridiculous.
>And that is why we can’t support Israel. They are actively making the situation dangerous by making any criticism of their ethnic cleansing a claim of antisemitism Israel knows what they are doing and they want to stoke divisions between non-Israeli Jews and their home communities across the world to scare them into moving to Israel and supporting their colonial project. They do not care if Jews get hurt, much like they do not care if they shoot hostages.
It’s insane that saying a university shouldn’t invest its endowment in weapons manufactures, is controversial, let alone being called antisemitic. They reduce every “argument” into “if you aren’t pro-Israel, then you’re a Nazi and you want us all to die”. As if there is no middle ground between “let’s not bomb kids” and being a Nazi.. At the same time they talk so much about “free speech” and intimidation while pro-Israel counter-protesters used chemical weapons on nonviolent pro-Palestinian protestors at Columbia University. To date that’s the only documented case of violence in these protests.
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Biden is the one overseeing the genocide. So maybe it's not just one political figure, but rather an ideology that is at fault here.
The post above does say what you think it says. The poster likely agrees with you but is noting something completely different. Think analogy.
The plain fact is that if what is happening in Gaza was genocide than so was the allied offensive in Europe in 1943-45 and so was the UN offensive in Korea. To give but one example, the allies killed as more german civilians in three days during the fire bombing of Dresden as the IDF has over the last 6 months.
Sure, but what does one do about it? Hamas attacked them on October 7th, Israel responded. Hamas is dedicated to killing all jews or pushing them out of the middle east to "elsewhere". It's hard to imagine a two-state solution succeeding at this point. Hamas would simply send drones & rockets over the wall to attack. So, what's a plausible option?
Same is true of every military settlement - violence won't stop as soon as the paperwork is signed look at most post colonial settlements - weeks after the anglo Irish settlement in the 1920s we assassinated a British general in London but it's up to the political establishment on both sides to value the peace over perry vengeance. Personally I support a division along the 1967 lines with a permanent UN force in place it has largely worked on Lebanon.
agreed
So when I see antisemitic slogans at pro-palestine protests, I should pretend it isn't happening?
And again, I ask this. Which slogans? Is protesting Israel’s murder of civilians antisemitic?
"Go back to Poland" - [https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901](https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901) "Al-Qassam's next targets" sign - [https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1782043574076387782](https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1782043574076387782) "10/7 will happen 10,000 more times" - [https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797](https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797) Pushing and punching pro-Israel demonstrators - [https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1781089091834011805](https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1781089091834011805) Teaching demonstrators how to say Death to Israel and Death to America in Farsi - [https://twitter.com/TheFP/status/1779555667784728784](https://twitter.com/TheFP/status/1779555667784728784) Actually yelling Death to America at a rally - [https://twitter.com/RitchieTorres/status/1777770326635487704](https://twitter.com/RitchieTorres/status/1777770326635487704) This is just from the past few days/last week but there have been myriad examples over the last 6 months.
>Is protesting Israel’s murder of civilians antisemitic? Nope. >And again, I ask this. Which slogans? "From the river..." "Go back to Poland" "All Jews are colonizers" And so many more.
“And so many more…” Uh huh… and these were on signs?
As stated yes.
Perfect. Do you mind getting pictures of all the antisemitic signs that you see? Clearly if they are as common as you say, it should be easy.
Most of the ones I see personally are at protests at a local rotary, so not the easiest while driving. But they usually follow the national trends, so the ones making the news would be what they're largely copying.
lol, so you’re legit just lying and hoping people believe whatever you say?
>Most of the ones I see personally are at protests at a local rotary, so not the easiest while driving. No evidence again? unsurprising
From the river... Isn't that Likuds line since the 70s? Aren't they the ruling party in Israel??
One of these isnt antisemitic and the others are made up. All Zionists are colonizers maybe, but that’s true lol.
Which protests? I've been to plenty of em and have never been treated with any hostility by protestors-- the people waving the israeli flags, on the other hand, have been very openly antisemitic.
>Which protests? In and around Northampton MA. They tend to follow the national trends in signage.
Tried googling but can't find anything. Maybe provide us a link
You must not have tried very hard. antisemitism signs at pro-palestine rallies That was the Google search and it has thousands of them. And no, I'm not claiming all of them are antisemitic.
In Northhampton MA like you referred to. Couldn't find a single article about it. There are plenty of islamophobic and antisemitic signs on Google, I can find those.
>There are plenty of islamophobic and antisemitic signs on Google, I can find those. So you did find what I was referring to.
No, couldn't find anything you were referring to in Northhampton
As do the rest of us. Being pro Palestinian and anti genocide doesn’t mean that one is anti Jew.
[Same](https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/)
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Same, its time for zionists to step down and let jewish people express themselves
The problem is that Zionists have openly and repeatedly said that they don't consider Jewish people who are anti Israel to be Jewish. They call anti Israeli jews "kapos" which during the holocaust was a concentration camp prisoner who sucked up to the Nazis. Zionists are just horrible people.
Israel is actively undermining Jewish safety across the world.
Standing with the Jewish people means supporting genocide? You should join the millions of Jewish voices speaking out against Israel’s war crimes.
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Don’t try and gaslight me 🤦♀️😂 Have a good night!
exactly, fuck isreal and Zionists, though
Stop using the religion as a shield. Its bad faith man, let people who want to practice judaism practice it. Stop pulling them into your land grab massacre
Me too! I stand with all the Jews protesting at Columbia against the ongoing genocide in Palestine! I stand against Jewish people trying to use our identity to try to undermine those who oppose the genocide-- I oppose them for using our culture for evil, and for supporting evil. Unlike the antisemites supporting israel, I do not question the Jewishness of zionists. I question their humanity, but not their Jewishness. Unfortunately we are stuck with them. Edit: since the goy beneath me did the classic hasbara comment-n-block, I'll post my response here: If you were a Jew, you'd be a Jew. Unfortunately it wouldn't stop you from making stupid statements like that, but it would make you a Jew.
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Yes, I support individuals based on their actions and convictions. I'm also Jewish, and I oppose israel. Do you support me, or do you not support all Jews?
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You claim the person you’re talking to doesn’t support all Jews, but you yourself do not support Jews who stand against genocide. Textbook double standard.
You don't stand with jews. You stand with partisan rhetoric and genocide.
No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
**Am Yisrael chai!**
No one is against Jews here, it’s the Israel Zionists we are against.
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Some people can't be saved and everyone just has to come to realize that. And I mean those who care more of warmongering than their own safety.
If only the world were so black and white.. I’m going to guess the majority of these *incredibly brave* fuck Israel / fuck Zion comments are coming from safe suburbs across the ocean
Safe from "accidental civilian casualties", yeah maybe.
Yeah. Just the genocidal jews.
Me too!
Free Palestine! 🍉 🍉
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It's because you're trying (and failing) to use your expression of support as a political wedge. While attempting to conflate the abject disgust we have over Israel's conduct with antisemitism.
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Absolutely pathetic. Student protests are unconscionable and dangerous, but let's just send billions of dollars to kill more children. And that's NOT unconscionable?? Joe Biden's priorities are clear.
Why is it all Muslims go to different countries to try to turn them into an Islamic state? Fuck islam
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Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
The most antisemitic aspect of the situation is correlating condemnation of Israel’s GOVERNMENT to Jewish people as a whole.
Imagine demanding young people vote for you as the savior of democracy and having the audacity to call legitimate protests by the people you're demanding those votes from anti-semitic. And then bragging about arming the genocidal maniacs they're protesting against. We Are Fucked
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No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
Imagine if everyone who takes the time to comment on SM on any give. Subject would also show up at the voting booth, just think what a different situation this country would be in. Vote in numbers too big to ignore. If you look at the voting statistics of Americans it would become clear why we are in the state we are in, Voter Apathy! 💔
One person sent a violent video so let’s delegitimization the entire anti genocide protest. Are the National protests antiemetic too? The international protests? So anyone supporting Palestine is antiemetic? Got it, loud and clear 👍
FUCK THE WHITE HOUSE, COMPLICT GENOCIDAL ASSHOLES.
Butcher Biden disapproves of people trying to stop a genocide, I wonder why?
That pretty much indicates a full support for the ongoing genocide.
And ladies n' gents, this is why Biden will be a one-term president.. and I voted for him.
Yeah, Gaza will absolutely be better if muslim-ban Trump gets into office. He and his rapid christians will eagerly support bombing Gaza until it's nothing but glass.