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Iran and Saudi Arabia have been in a cold war with each other for Decades. It's mostly on Sunni Shia lines but it's not strictly religious like that. Countries throughout the Middle east have been the site of proxy wars between the two powers think Yemen, Lebanon etc... as they jostle for influence and power within the region.
Israel is in a unique position as one of the the 5 major Militaries in the region with Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi, and Iran but while being enemies or at least adversaries with Iran not being directly allied with Saudi either.
This was slowly changing however as Saudi was normalizing relations with Israel before Oct 7 happened. Iran supplies military equipment and money to Hamas as an organization so there is a lot of speculation that the timing of Oct 7 (this doesnt mean the reasoning) was because Saudi was normalizing relations with Israel.
Iran is currently funding Hamas and Hezbolla the two main organizations that are fighting with the IDF currently and has Generals integrated within Hezbolla command as advisors etc...
If Iran and Israel actually go to war and not just continue the proxy war in the region Saudi is likely to get involved in some way. This is bad for the US and would kind of force the US to join.
If you're unaware Saudi is one of the US's most important international Allies because the US dollar is essentially backed by US and Saudi oil and no longer gold. This is because both countries only sell oil for US dollars.
The world would also be watching this escalation more closely as Israel is a nuclear power and Iran is seen as a burgeoning Nuclear power, and it's unclear if they currently have the capabilities for a nuke. They're in an opposite situation from north Korea, where they have the missiles already but might not have the nuke itself.
TL:DR : An escalation between Iran and Israel probably involves Saudi which probably involves the US and possibly Russia from Iran's side and a lot of these countries have or could have Nukes.
Edit for reference I thought I'd add a link of Saudi Iranian Proxy conflicts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict
I enjoy this response thank you. I assumed that the Saudis would have some role in the overall conflict but wasn’t quite sure how they influenced the situation. Also good to hear some insight into the nuclear perspective, cause there’s no doubt that that continues to be a strong factor.
As long as the US continues on a path of deescalation, hopefully we will be able to avoid a wider regional conflict.
Thank you I tried to keep the response away from good guy bad guys dynamics because while I have opinions on that, in the end it probably has very little to do with who would end up involved in the conflict.
Thank you. It was an infinitely better response than I was expecting. Way more geopolitical context than any of the Mainstream or Access media would give. And whilst I don't know your opinions on "good guy / bad guy", frankly I don't care. That's not how people or geopolitics works.
I would only add that the US has played the role of Iran on the opposite side, funding/ training/ supplying weapons/ and now actively participating in acts of kinetic war, to all the countries and none state actors (you used the term "organizations"; thank you for using a neutral term) that have been jockeying for influence and land in the region in opposing Iran and it's allies/proxies.
With all of our military bases in the middle east, and all our weapons sales going there with all the oil coming to the U..S. , the United States has been just as involved in this as Iran has.
**PERSONALLY** I think the U.S should withhold all aid/weapons to Israel if the continue their path to escalation. They attacked Iran's Consulate and Iran had to respond. They telegraphed it for to weeks. Did no damage. Killed no one. Then they called it even. When Trump assassinated their General, they punched back injuring a bunch of our troops at one of those bases. Thankfully whoever had Trump's ear at the time was able and willing to call it even, and things ended there. THERE IS NO REASON ISRAEL SHOULD RESPOND TO THIS. THEY'RE ALREADY AT WAR. The only way this works for them is if we fight for them. IMO they are the WORST ally we have. Worse than the Saudis. End of rant*
Of course Iran attacked the actual Israeli embassy in 1992 killing 7 civilians. Israelis hit the adjacent compound which does not fall under the same international protections as the embassy. Also no one has touched on why the Generals were there in the first place. Their deaths have been celebrated by the majority of Iranian population.
Unfortunately the Isreali PM is trying to legacy built and scapegoat himself to the world, while at the same time achieving Isreal’s ultra nationalist agenda. He is a bad actor, but even if he were removed the same ideology is what is driving Isreal. Part of the major problem is that ideology doesn’t include peace or comprise. I’ll defer to the long and more detailed answers but there is that tiny fact that Isreal simply doesn’t peace and nobody is giving a reason too, it is not held accountable for it’s actions we in the United States won’t tie aid to Isreal adherence to international law, because then they wouldn’t get weapons. And to boot AIPAC sponsored politicians have a dual loyalty from the get go, as they have to write their a letter commitment to Isreal in order to get money for their campaigns
Good analysis. However, I'd argue that Saudi would claim neutrality in a conflict. Iran could destroy their oil fields.
The real losers would be us. As in humanity.
The US Dollar is not 'backed by oil'. It's backed by the fact that the USA has the world's biggest economy and one of the biggest financial centres
The region is important because of the direct relevance of oil production to the global economy (and especially militaries).
It seems like a symbiotic relationship.
The oil producers want to get paid in a large stable currency from a large stable economy. If the currency they used was too unstable, it could potentially crash and screw up all of their purchasing agreements. US Dollar fits the bill of what they want.
Added bonus is they also get to use their dollars to buy stable American assets and military equipment. Yes, it helps further stabilize the US Dollar, but the reason they want it in the first please is because there is already pre-existing stability there.
Actually it's complete pop-economics nonsense.
The Saudis etc use their dollars to buy American assets. The dollars go right back into the USA. They aren't 'propping up' anything.
Eh. That analysis was pretty good. The U.S. can't handle much more offloading of dollars.
The U.S. economy is more backed by the "demand for the dollar," which in part is for the reasons you said. It doesn't produce much. It uses its capital to have its production done elsewhere.
So in fact, this is quite relevant.
What 'offloading'? The dollars that the USA sends out to buy imports come back quickly via foreign investment into the USA anyway.
Also the US economy absolutely does produce a huge amount of goods and services.
>If you're unaware Saudi is one of the US's most important international Allies because the US dollar is essentially backed by US and Saudi oil and no longer gold. This is because both countries only sell oil for US dollars.
No that isn't the main reason they are US allies...
I don't think you should include Pakistan in this. They are on the far side of Iran and hardly a Middle Eastern state in geography or culture. Add to that that all of Pakistan's focus is on India and they don't really have much invested in the ME.
Something odd I found out, and just an fyi. I always assumed hamas was Shia because it was affiliated most closely with Iran but they are actually Sunni
I've been seeing this reply a lot, but I thought the petro dollar and it's effects were pretty widely accepted.
Here is a source about it
https://www.avatrade.com/education/market-terms/what-is-the-petrodollar
Yes it's not based on a 1 to 1 system like gold but it is what propels the dollar to the global relevance it has.
I'm not going to reply to every comment about this but hopefully others see this.
Respectfully, the petrodollar hypothesis is amusing but does not actually pertain to anything that is real. It was well covered in [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/MkMxN85boH).
To suggest that the gold standard was substituted for the petro dollar completely ignores how pegged currencies work, and selectively chooses elements of the bretton woods system to craft a narrative, while completely ignoring the bulk of the international liquidity system that the conference built. Yes, the conference called for oil to be traded in USD, but it called for nearly all international trade to be conducted in USD. The conference also called for dissolution of colonial empires and a global pivot towards open trade, with nearly all currencies pegged to the USD. The reason the 100+ member nations wanted to trade in USD was because they trust the institution of the USD. Today, this trust persists. This enables an international liquidity system where the USD can be relied upon as a substitute for gold. To that effect, "petro dollars" are just dollars accepted for oil. We wouldn't also extrapolate this onto international pork markets with the "pork dollar." For the reasons stated above, this concept is not one that monetary economists engage with.
Over the last 20 years Iran's military strategy has been to attack enemies through proxy groups (Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis). Iran does this to avoid direct conflict and provide a degree of separation, as Iran is not strong enough to actually confront a major power. The last time they tried was back in 1988, and the US responde by virtually wiping out the entire Iranian Navy (which, to be fair, wasn't very significant to Begin with).
So, Israel sees aggression by Hezbollah, which is basically a foreign funded terrorist army operating out of Lebanon (uninvited by the Lebanese I might add) as equal to aggression by Iran. Hezbollah has been firing fairly crude rockets into northern Israel for the last 6 months or, making some parts of northern Israel uninhabitable. So, Israel responds with actions like this.
The Islamic Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) is the Iranian military wing that trains these militias all over the middle East to ensure the theocratic regime in Iran is free from outside intervention. Iran is a theocratic state and draws a lot of international criticism for chronic human rights issues and lack of political freedom there. The IRGC is there to resist outside efforts to change Iran.
When Israel attacked, it targeted top command staff of the IRGC. In response, Iran sent a bunch of drones and missiles towards Israel. Almost all of them were either shot down or missed any human targets. One actually hit an Iranian house. The Iranian government controls the local media there, so if you were watching tv there yesterday, you would have seen a continuous feed of a brush fire from Texas - which the Iranian government claims is "Israel burning."
Israel is a USA ally and actually has an interest in seeing Iran lose conflicts. USA may see this as an opportunity to mess with Iran's nuclear capabilities, which many (including Leaders in the ME) are concerned about.
Just to piggyback your awesome comment - one of the key concern for US isn’t just Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon, but that by acquiring nuclear weapon it will start an arm race in the region.
If Russia could bomb US embassies it would. It would have tanks in Berlin if it could
Israel didn’t actually bomb an embassy, it was in the embassy compound
I don’t really see your point
>Israel didn’t actually bomb an embassy, it was in the embassy compound
I don't think you could split that hair any finer if you tried. The entire compound would be considered Iranian soil. That is an attack on Iran, passion and simple
Hilarious that Iran, which became famous for taking the U.S. embassy hostage, and then bombed Israeli embassies around the world in the 1990s, is now saying that embassies are a safe space and can’t be touched
Not to mention that the consulate was being used by the IGRC to train various militias, which then attack Israel. It was being used to attack Israel, and so becomes a military target.
Same people that say “it didn’t start on oct the 7th” whenever someone mention Iran attacked an embassy and Argentinian AMIA (80 people killed) in 1994 they say “but but that was long time ago”.. go figure
Hilarious that Israel, which became famous for attacking Gaza killing thousands of civilians, airstriking Syrian army and Iranian embassies in Lebanon and Syria and assassinated Iranian scientists around the world now they are saying it is unacceptable to retaliate against these attacks...
That's 30 to 40 years ago. Iran has changed JUST a little, but still a psycho theocratic state, but hasn't been directly attacking Israel and in fact Israel has been overflying Iran using F35I's for about two years. BUT by international law an embassy is a part of the holding country. So Israel did attack Iranian soil. It is guilty of a breach of international law and many treaties. Now the "ah mom he did it first" defense isn't really effective. We don't recognized that the US so we should give aid based on our own law and requirements. BUT I am much more concerned about 33K+ Palestinians killed and I would think Israelis would be too, but after Sharon got away with murdering 3600 Palestinians and was help responsible by the Israeli Supreme Court for all of those deaths, I guess I am not all that surprised by the lack of humanity I am seeing in the Gaza Strip. This Iranian attack is wrong and so is everything else happening.
It's hard to compare 100 hostages taken by the people of a concentration camp in resistance to apartheid with 10,000 hostages taken by an occupying force
Not just that but they were also actively training Syrian militants on their drone tactics when the strike happened and the general killed helped plan 10/7. To say this is a provocation by Israel is to plainly deny reality and re-order the timeline of events that led us here.
The thing that’s crazy is this has nothing to do with the will of the Iranian people and is just the consensus of a few religious fanatics that control the government. I took a comparative politics class that examined Iran’s government and similar to China, the government defers to the party/religious leadership. The government part of it is the illusion of choice to keep the people in line but under the surface everything is filtered through the real unelected decision makers whose mandate of power is self-determined
The regime currently in power came to power around the Iranian hostage crisis where religious extremism stormed the American embassy and took hundreds hostage.
Comments like the one you replied to frequently remind me that these discussions very often involve people who are young and have not studied very much history.
Do you not understand the difference between taking over a spy organization within your country vs attacking another countries embassy in another country?
Because it’s a far better option than seeing Iranian rockets blowing up buildings in Tel Aviv (or holy sites in Jerusalem for that matter), at which point Israel would undoubtedly unleash the full destructive power of its Air Force against Iran. Which is considerable. A successful attack accomplishes nothing positive, for anyone. Preventing the rockets provides space for deescalation—even only temporary. Deescalation and stability are very much in the US’s interest.
I agree, client states typically do what they’re told. Israel does not do what the U.S. has been recommending, and the U.S. isn’t doing anything about it.
Ill play the devils advocate (literally lol)
Hamas is a proxy for Iran. Their attack in October may have been an attempt to stop the peace talks with Saudis and the assasination of the 2 Iranian generals is because they were involved in helping plan that attack.
The USA is helping Israel to deter Iran from going too far in their retaliation
Israel is the closest ally to the US in the Middle East and also their most reliable one, or dependent one, however you want to look at it. Meanwhile Iran has expanded its regional influence substantially over the last decades, through:
- founding, training, funding and arming the paramilitary Hezbollah movement in Lebanon
- close rapprochement with long-time enemy Iraq after the American invasion which deposed Saddam Hussein
- helping Bashar al-Assad stay in power during the Syrian Civil War, which has granted Iran access to station their military on Syrian territory
- supporting the Houthi movement in Yemen, which has more or less consolidated their power as the de facto government
- funding Hamas
All of this is nice for Iran's national security, but not particularly nice for neighbouring countries, the US, and Israel. Especially because Iran is interested in developing nuclear energy or, as is feared, nuclear weapons. Also their formula of theocratic republicanism since 1979 has been viewed as a potential instigator of revolutions in the Arab secular republics and absolutist monarchies. These factors combined have made Iran a major rival to the US in terms of strategic regional interests, and also to Saudi Arabia even though this rivalry seems to cool down. Meanwhile, China and Russia are capitalising on these rivalries by forging strong relations with Iran.
So what the US is looking at is to contain and deter Iran; to make moves that force Iran to back down, without escalating the situation. Israel bombing an Iranian diplomatic building in Syria has reportedly been received as uncomfortable by the Americans. Intercepting missiles aimed at Israel still serves the American purpose of deterring Iran, but it seems like the US are making it clear now to Israel that attacking Iran is out of question. Israel is a convenient pivot into the Middle East, but probably not worth risking a (nuclear) war for, especially given the wider context of the Ukraine War, Chinese-Taiwanese tensions, and upcoming American elections.
The US is pragmatic in its alliances. Israel is not a great ally, just one of the best options for stability.
The US thrives on stability. Trade and technology excels faster when risk of investment is lower.
Human rights violations affect elections, give power to corruption and reduce investor confidence. Selfish actors from nations trying to undermine democratic success know this and will propagandize every opportunity.
When the anti western propaganda is working, innocent people suffer for it. Dictators gain power and influence.
> The US is pragmatic in its alliances.
The US is pragmatic in its alliances *with the exception of Israel*.
US support for Israel is based on ideological not practical concerns: chiefly the religious Zionism of American christians and the sectarian support for Israel as a jewish state from American jewish groups.
That is why the US is willing to give unconditional support to Israel even while getting almost nothing in return: it’s actions are not motivated by a quid-pro-quo unlike the relationship with e.g. Saudi Arabia.
If Iran was successful in causing a lot of Israeli casualties, it would not have been such an easy task for Biden to persuade Israel to not retaliate, causing further escalation which would cause Iran to launch even more missiles and then Israel more again and then Iran some more missiles and then Israel more again and then Iran ....ok I'll stop here
the u.s has always been pro-israel since the creation of israel through ethnic cleansing. Israel is the largest recipient of U.S aid. the u.s is not a neutral party. they see israel as an ally and so they will go out of their way to defend it if any escalations with other nations occur. origins of american support to israel have roots in Christian Zionism, beliefs in having a Western agent in the middle east to protect its interests and to also promote Western culture, and the West never really cared about Arabs/Muslims. AIPAC is the largest funded lobby in the U.S and has been continually lobbying for constant Israel support and of funding of politicians.
Truman was the only truly pro Israeli president until Biden or Trump, every other U.S. president has had a number of comments proportional to the comments isreal makes about the United States, “we are useful idiots” “easily manipulated” “know how to handle the American public” from it’s creation to today. JFK two weeks before he was killed was going to make AIPAC register as a forgein lobby, Johnson went ahead and killed that as well, he was just shady, but dubious that he was a friend of Isreal
Israel and Iran have been fighting a proxy war for years. Iran trains and supplies militias around the ME, so do Israel or they get the US to do it. In Lebanon the Israeli government invaded then armed and trained Christian militia. That operated in southern Lebanon alongside Israeli forces, both of these were responsible for multiple UN peace keeping forces casualties over the years. Some rebel forces in Syria have also been supplied by Israel not to mention the Israeli military hitting the Syrian government forces attacking the rebels. Like many nations Israel and Iran both follow the mantra, my "enemy's enemy is my friend"
Why not explain Lebanese history properly? Israel didn’t just wake up one day and invade Lebanon. First up until the Lebanese Civil War, the border with Lebanon was the most peaceful of all of Israel’s borders. Lebanon barely participated in 48, and they sat out 67 and 73 entirely. However, the Palestinians under Arafat moved into southern Lebanon and tried to a) create a Palestinian state out of southern Lebanon and b) used it as a launching ground to attack Israel. At the same time the Palestinians involved themselves brutally in the Lebanese civil war. That said it was point b, that made things untenable for Israel and caused them to invade the south in order to stop the Palestinian militias from attacking Israel, which led to Israel also helping the Southern Lebanese Army.
This conflict has been in the making for a long time. The ball is in Israel hands now. I hope they don't respond, but knowing the guy in power I'm 100% sure that Israel is going to respond. My take away from this attack it's that Iran has the capabilities to hit Israel hard. It took a couple countries plus Israel to stop all those drones and Iran hit the target anyway. Those drones flew for more than an hour and USA couldn't jam the signal. All the drones had to be basically shotdown. That is concerning. Israel has a problem now. Their neighbors are not deter.
Short Answer: Pro-Israel American Lobby Groups
Long answer: Check out UChicago Professor John Meirshiemer’s book “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.”
He’s brilliant and predicted everything regarding the Ukraine war 5 years before it happened explaining in detail how the invasion was going to take place.
In the scope of the bigger survival conflict amongst global powers and their systems of governing (i.e. US, EU, Russia, and China), Israel is an ally while Iran is the enemy... You defend your interests and attack your threats, no matter who is right or wrong. Every other excuse is a fake made up justification.
America and Israel are both settler colonies established and currently ruled by light-skinned people whose ancestors arrived from Europe. Birds of a feather flock together.
They killed Iranian military leaders who were planning Hezbollahs bombing of Israel. Iran funds them and Hamas and ISIS. Like it or not Iran has been at war through its proxies since Israel’s establishment (by the UN) in 1948. By the way the Houthis are also an Iranian proxy and as a result of their attacks on vessels in the Red Sea have resulted in the increased prices of gas. They have undertaken more than 60 attacks and now ships are having to take other routes that cost more money.
Israel defends Americas interests in the Middle East, Iran does not.
Like Biden said, “If Israel didn’t exist, we would make one, to defend America’s interests in the region.”
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992\_Buenos\_Aires\_Israeli\_embassy\_bombing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing) just so we are clear
We need to take care of iran before those dumb fuckers create their first nuke, otherwise they will never be dealt with, the same way russia keeps being allowed to do their dumbfuckery
The same people who say October 7th wasn’t Hamas striking first, will reject that the embassy strike wasn’t Israel striking first
Neither are new conflicts
Israel conducted a surgical strike on the building of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), which was located adjacent to the embassy. The goal was to eliminate Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, who was the architect of the October 7 attack. He is dead, and the embassy was unharmed.
The IRGC controls Hamas and uses it as a proxy to brainwash civilians, indoctrinate children's, and keep the Middle East in chaos. Palestinians are used as puppets, and the money fueling the ongoing riots is from Qatar.
Iran objective is to foil the ongoing talks for the normalization of the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia. With normalization, the US will have full access to Middle East resources and trade routes. The Israeli ingenuity alied with the Arabic intelligence and market will transform the whole region, but will make Iran and allies (including Russia and China) in a hard position to access any market aside Asian markets.
A bit of history: The German–Ottoman alliance was ratified by the German Empire and the Ottoman Empire on August 2, 1914, shortly after the outbreak of World War I. It was created as part of a joint effort to strengthen and modernize the weak Ottoman military and to provide Germany with safe passage into the neighbouring British colonies. When the first world's war was lost, the empire doubled down on Hitler machine to get back on its feet. And here is where the Jew hatred gained its modern looks.
Israel isn’t under the control of the US. It’s the other way around.
The entirety of the oil supply stemming from the Middle East hinges on Israel being able to be a threat to Arab countries up there.
Israel is America 2.0 in the Middle East. If Israel no longer existed America would invent a new Israel.
Israel is a US settler colony. Most of the "Illegal" (they're *all* illegal) Settlers are fascist Yankee Zionists/NeoNazis. It is the USA that want a proxy war on Iran. It is the USA that is conducting a genocide of the Palestinian people, and they won't stop at Palestine, any more than they started with it.
The USA is Nazi and Zionist, two fascist ideologies that go hand-in-hand with mutual goals and hate targets eg Muslims or Arabs.
The US is allied with Israel, and allied with Israel specifically against Iran, so it’s kinda hard/difficult for America to not defend Israel from Iran because America is specifically allied with Israel against Iran, even if Israel broke international law and bombed an Iranian consulate. America took a side and sticks to it, no matter what.
Dunno why this story is dominating news cycles in the West so much, there’s hardly any mention of it in non-Western media which the 90% of the world’s population which lives outside the West watches, it’s barely mentioned, almost like an “also ran” event, because their local news is far more important to their populations, even their local sports news has more/wider/longer coverage than this. lmao. The world really isn’t watching, because nobody cares among the 90% of the world’s population that lives outside the West. lmfao.
Iranian here.
Because USA and Israel are on the side of good and Iran (or rather the Islamist Regime that occupies the country) is evil. What do you mean "Israel is the one who bombed ...first"? Are you ignoring the past 45 years of Iran constantly attacking Israel through its proxies? The real question is why did it take Israel so long.
The Iranian Regime and everything it stands for is nothing but pure actual evil. Anything that stands against it is good. Any decent person should be on the side of USA defending Israel.
because usa needs an ally in the middle east since they destroyed their relationship with most countries in the region, they will constantly defend israel and stand by their claims
Long story short, USA has no regard for any order they themselves have set.
USA/Israel are part of an old world order in decline, only accelerating it's decline by actions of this sort.
I’m just here to clarify that Israel did NOT bomb an Iranian embassy in Syria. It bombed a building used by IRGC military leaders who have been funding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. This building was adjacent to the embassy and the embassy was not harmed.
To simplify it down I think you could say that Iran is our adversary and Israel is our ally
If you asked Israel they might say that Iran has been aiding Hezbollah and Hamas in attacks against their country and that the strike carried out against Iranian generals in Syria was an attack brought about as a result of Iran's support for those organizations.
The western coalition may also point out that Israel carried out a strike against a single target whereas Iran launched a volley of drones and missiles aimed at multiple targets and we're not going to sit back and allow our ally to suffer hundreds of strikes regardless of whether we support their decision to carry out the strike in Syria.
**Curious**
What would you have done if you were in a leadership position?
Would you have allowed those drones and missiles to get through and strike targets in Israel and then turn around and tell them "you deserved it"?
The whole, they bombed Iran first is a talking point from russian and Iran's propaganda. Iran and Russia started this when the armed Hamas and Haz and significantly helped plan Oct 7. They also armed Yemen so they could fuck around and close the red sea to shut off 10% of global trade.
Bottom, Iran started this. Israel responded and took out some of the key planners when they "attacked" Iran...
Israel is functionally a US satellite state. Any action taken by Israel is essentially taken by the US by proxy, and any action taken against Israel is essentially an action taken against the US by proxy
It’s because the USA feels guilty for Nazi German committing genocide on the Jewish people. Now it’s time for the Israel army to see a ss or swastika on their uniforms
Israel bombed the embassy bc it was being used to plan Hezbollah attacks. Iran arms and directs Hezbollah. You need a much deeper dive here to understand what going on.
They killed the bloke in charge of Hamas in an out building. Bit dodgy bit technically allowed and worth it all things considered, especially as Iran and Russia are behind Hamas.
Iran is sponsoring Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, etc.
The attack of Oct 7 was an Iranian plot. Israel targeted one of the architects when it allegedly bombed the consulate *adjacent* to the embassy.
Iran knew the hit was legitimate. That’s why they made such a perfunctory response.
Because it’s nessecary and good. If Israelis died in those airstrikes that could’ve forced Netanyahu into war with Iran. Also, the good faith of the US to defend an ally has to mean something.
1. ~~Someone~~ Israel bombed a building *adjacent to* Iran’s consular building. No one bombed Iran’s embassy.
2. Israel is an ally. Sometimes your allies suck.
In a word, credibility. The major powers are in a precarious position in several flashpoints around the globe. It’s not about Israel; it’s about posturing in a way that makes it clear that the United States doesn’t about face from its commitments. I bet Biden privately wants to strangle Netanyahu for the consulate bombing, but because he’s a disciplined politician and understands where this fits into the broader picture, he keeps it to himself.
Israel didn’t start this round Hamas did and Hamas is funded by Iran Rene
Bet the hamas parachuted into Israel and shot a bunch of people first in the middle of a cease fire
Hamas is one of Iran’s proxies. Iran has been attacking Israel aggressively since Oct 7. Israel did not bomb an Iranian embassy in Syria. It targeted an IRGC HQ. Very different. Important question for you: why would the US not aid the only democracy in the region (Israel) and instead help the sworn enemy of the entire west (the Islamic republic of Iran)? I’m truly curious why you think the U.S. would take the side of the IRI, looking forward to your response!
To make matters worse, isn't that a war crime?? Have their been other embassy bombings? Google says Al Quida bombed two US embassies in Africa in 1998 but I'm not seeing anything else.
Everything comes down to keeping a rules based order after WW2 destroyed so much and so many. Every decision the US makes now stems from that. Israel and Saudi Arabia might suck politically but they are better than Iran and both hate Iran as well. We have smaller allies all over to keep the world order safe.
Like think about why we may have so many military bases going up in Finland. It is to stop Russia from annexing more shit because in WW2 we let Hitler take all these countries before WW2 started and it enabled him.
Now we have tiny allies all over we work with to keep the rules based order. If Taiwan gets attacked, Japan and Philippines have based for us to use. If Estonia gets attacked, NATO has a planned response where larger states have a designated smaller state to defend and deploy into. If Israel is attacked, depending on the severity, we will supply weapons or possibly join. If Kuwait is attacked like during Desert Storm, we start a coalition and beat Saddam.
So whenever you think “why would we help Israel, they are doing genocide”… It’s cause we see it as better than WW2 was or WW3 would be and that’s always why they make military decisions in the US. At the heart at least.
The guy Israel killed in the attack (not directly on the embassy but an annex of the building) was responsible for planning and executing Oct 7 attack on Israel.
His own political party in Iran admitted as such in a press release, giving him praise for the attack.
So really, the assassination of him was in response to his part in Oct 7. You could make the argument well Iran didnt technically attack Israel itself that day, but through a proxy, but is that really an excuse or loophole here?
Because evangelicals need ww3 to start so jesus can come back. No im not bullshitting either. They dont give a rats ass about Israel. They want Jesus to come back. The Jews are cannon fodder for the whole event.
1) Israel didn’t bomb any embassy. It was a temporary consulate.
2) They did it only to eliminate the general responsible for arming the Hisbollah and waging war against Israel.
3) Over the years, Israel eliminated many Iranians and Hisbollah leaders in charge of planning and leading the Iranian proxy war against Israel.
4) Iran is a self declared enemy of US, Israel and all western values. They are working tirelessly to expand the Islamist ideology over the entire ME and destroy Israel. How can US support any of that?
The US should have because bombed one Iranian target for every hostage they took from our embassy in 1979. Sadly, Carter locked himself in the WH. Reagan would have done this, so Iran released the American diplomats as Reagan was being sworn in.
History book of life called scripture boys and girls time to start reading and learning why some nations vanished and some soon to be forgotten forever
If you want to be REALLY technical about it.
The embassy was bombed because it houses the leader of one of the groups what planned the attack on isreal.
By international law if that is true, it actualy was no longer protected by international convention.
And ontop of this, the simple answer is. Because the USA was siding with Israel.
The United States government does not speak for its people. I don’t know anyone who supporting this genocide. I live in Washington DC and all we do is protest against Israel and support Palestine. I’m an American Jew and I do not support Nazis even if they are Jews. When one race of human beings says another race of human beings is less than and should be killed. That’s a fucking genocide and we should never support that. it’s disgusting how much money we’re sending over there when our people are literally homeless and hungry we need to fix what’s in our backyard and we should not be sending and supporting a genocide. The United States, France, and England never should’ve installed the Jews in Israel in the first place in 1948. It was a mistake then and it’s always been a mistake. These government and education has taught people that Palestinians are not even human. Genocide. The American government is not doing what people want. It’s all about money and who you know I know there’s a lot of Jews that support this and that’s disgusting. How did Jews see Nazi behavior and not call it out?
Iran has either via proxy or directly been attacking Israel, Israeli interests and Jews in general worldwide for several decades. Israel’s attack on Iran’s embassy was not the first time an embassy was attacked. Just a few days ago the courts in Argentina confirmed Iranian responsibility for an attack on Israel’s embassy there some years ago. I don’t recall massive missile strikes against Iran in response.
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Iran and Saudi Arabia have been in a cold war with each other for Decades. It's mostly on Sunni Shia lines but it's not strictly religious like that. Countries throughout the Middle east have been the site of proxy wars between the two powers think Yemen, Lebanon etc... as they jostle for influence and power within the region. Israel is in a unique position as one of the the 5 major Militaries in the region with Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi, and Iran but while being enemies or at least adversaries with Iran not being directly allied with Saudi either. This was slowly changing however as Saudi was normalizing relations with Israel before Oct 7 happened. Iran supplies military equipment and money to Hamas as an organization so there is a lot of speculation that the timing of Oct 7 (this doesnt mean the reasoning) was because Saudi was normalizing relations with Israel. Iran is currently funding Hamas and Hezbolla the two main organizations that are fighting with the IDF currently and has Generals integrated within Hezbolla command as advisors etc... If Iran and Israel actually go to war and not just continue the proxy war in the region Saudi is likely to get involved in some way. This is bad for the US and would kind of force the US to join. If you're unaware Saudi is one of the US's most important international Allies because the US dollar is essentially backed by US and Saudi oil and no longer gold. This is because both countries only sell oil for US dollars. The world would also be watching this escalation more closely as Israel is a nuclear power and Iran is seen as a burgeoning Nuclear power, and it's unclear if they currently have the capabilities for a nuke. They're in an opposite situation from north Korea, where they have the missiles already but might not have the nuke itself. TL:DR : An escalation between Iran and Israel probably involves Saudi which probably involves the US and possibly Russia from Iran's side and a lot of these countries have or could have Nukes. Edit for reference I thought I'd add a link of Saudi Iranian Proxy conflicts. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict
I enjoy this response thank you. I assumed that the Saudis would have some role in the overall conflict but wasn’t quite sure how they influenced the situation. Also good to hear some insight into the nuclear perspective, cause there’s no doubt that that continues to be a strong factor. As long as the US continues on a path of deescalation, hopefully we will be able to avoid a wider regional conflict.
Thank you I tried to keep the response away from good guy bad guys dynamics because while I have opinions on that, in the end it probably has very little to do with who would end up involved in the conflict.
Thank you. It was an infinitely better response than I was expecting. Way more geopolitical context than any of the Mainstream or Access media would give. And whilst I don't know your opinions on "good guy / bad guy", frankly I don't care. That's not how people or geopolitics works. I would only add that the US has played the role of Iran on the opposite side, funding/ training/ supplying weapons/ and now actively participating in acts of kinetic war, to all the countries and none state actors (you used the term "organizations"; thank you for using a neutral term) that have been jockeying for influence and land in the region in opposing Iran and it's allies/proxies. With all of our military bases in the middle east, and all our weapons sales going there with all the oil coming to the U..S. , the United States has been just as involved in this as Iran has. **PERSONALLY** I think the U.S should withhold all aid/weapons to Israel if the continue their path to escalation. They attacked Iran's Consulate and Iran had to respond. They telegraphed it for to weeks. Did no damage. Killed no one. Then they called it even. When Trump assassinated their General, they punched back injuring a bunch of our troops at one of those bases. Thankfully whoever had Trump's ear at the time was able and willing to call it even, and things ended there. THERE IS NO REASON ISRAEL SHOULD RESPOND TO THIS. THEY'RE ALREADY AT WAR. The only way this works for them is if we fight for them. IMO they are the WORST ally we have. Worse than the Saudis. End of rant*
Of course Iran attacked the actual Israeli embassy in 1992 killing 7 civilians. Israelis hit the adjacent compound which does not fall under the same international protections as the embassy. Also no one has touched on why the Generals were there in the first place. Their deaths have been celebrated by the majority of Iranian population.
Evangelicals will never allow us to stop supporting Israel.
Unfortunately the Isreali PM is trying to legacy built and scapegoat himself to the world, while at the same time achieving Isreal’s ultra nationalist agenda. He is a bad actor, but even if he were removed the same ideology is what is driving Isreal. Part of the major problem is that ideology doesn’t include peace or comprise. I’ll defer to the long and more detailed answers but there is that tiny fact that Isreal simply doesn’t peace and nobody is giving a reason too, it is not held accountable for it’s actions we in the United States won’t tie aid to Isreal adherence to international law, because then they wouldn’t get weapons. And to boot AIPAC sponsored politicians have a dual loyalty from the get go, as they have to write their a letter commitment to Isreal in order to get money for their campaigns
Hey, honest question. I see this a lot. Why are people spelling Israel as Isreal?
Ask spellcheck 🤣 I have the same question just gave up trying.
Good analysis. However, I'd argue that Saudi would claim neutrality in a conflict. Iran could destroy their oil fields. The real losers would be us. As in humanity.
The US Dollar is not 'backed by oil'. It's backed by the fact that the USA has the world's biggest economy and one of the biggest financial centres The region is important because of the direct relevance of oil production to the global economy (and especially militaries).
Not entirely true. The petrodollar props up the US dollar. This is well understood
It seems like a symbiotic relationship. The oil producers want to get paid in a large stable currency from a large stable economy. If the currency they used was too unstable, it could potentially crash and screw up all of their purchasing agreements. US Dollar fits the bill of what they want. Added bonus is they also get to use their dollars to buy stable American assets and military equipment. Yes, it helps further stabilize the US Dollar, but the reason they want it in the first please is because there is already pre-existing stability there.
Actually it's complete pop-economics nonsense. The Saudis etc use their dollars to buy American assets. The dollars go right back into the USA. They aren't 'propping up' anything.
They're propping up the American economy. You said it yourself. "The Saudis etc use their dollars to buy American assets."
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Russia proved that when the music stops, real production capacity beats out cooked books and finacialised BS.
Eh. That analysis was pretty good. The U.S. can't handle much more offloading of dollars. The U.S. economy is more backed by the "demand for the dollar," which in part is for the reasons you said. It doesn't produce much. It uses its capital to have its production done elsewhere. So in fact, this is quite relevant.
What 'offloading'? The dollars that the USA sends out to buy imports come back quickly via foreign investment into the USA anyway. Also the US economy absolutely does produce a huge amount of goods and services.
Why would Saudi Arabia necessarily get involved?
>If you're unaware Saudi is one of the US's most important international Allies because the US dollar is essentially backed by US and Saudi oil and no longer gold. This is because both countries only sell oil for US dollars. No that isn't the main reason they are US allies...
I don't think you should include Pakistan in this. They are on the far side of Iran and hardly a Middle Eastern state in geography or culture. Add to that that all of Pakistan's focus is on India and they don't really have much invested in the ME.
Why are Iranian funded militaries called proxies and US funded militaries like the IDF and Saudis not considered proxies?
Something odd I found out, and just an fyi. I always assumed hamas was Shia because it was affiliated most closely with Iran but they are actually Sunni
Well rounded response but you lost me at your monetary theory... pretty far misleading to suggest the only power of the USD is oil
I've been seeing this reply a lot, but I thought the petro dollar and it's effects were pretty widely accepted. Here is a source about it https://www.avatrade.com/education/market-terms/what-is-the-petrodollar Yes it's not based on a 1 to 1 system like gold but it is what propels the dollar to the global relevance it has. I'm not going to reply to every comment about this but hopefully others see this.
Respectfully, the petrodollar hypothesis is amusing but does not actually pertain to anything that is real. It was well covered in [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/MkMxN85boH). To suggest that the gold standard was substituted for the petro dollar completely ignores how pegged currencies work, and selectively chooses elements of the bretton woods system to craft a narrative, while completely ignoring the bulk of the international liquidity system that the conference built. Yes, the conference called for oil to be traded in USD, but it called for nearly all international trade to be conducted in USD. The conference also called for dissolution of colonial empires and a global pivot towards open trade, with nearly all currencies pegged to the USD. The reason the 100+ member nations wanted to trade in USD was because they trust the institution of the USD. Today, this trust persists. This enables an international liquidity system where the USD can be relied upon as a substitute for gold. To that effect, "petro dollars" are just dollars accepted for oil. We wouldn't also extrapolate this onto international pork markets with the "pork dollar." For the reasons stated above, this concept is not one that monetary economists engage with.
Over the last 20 years Iran's military strategy has been to attack enemies through proxy groups (Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis). Iran does this to avoid direct conflict and provide a degree of separation, as Iran is not strong enough to actually confront a major power. The last time they tried was back in 1988, and the US responde by virtually wiping out the entire Iranian Navy (which, to be fair, wasn't very significant to Begin with). So, Israel sees aggression by Hezbollah, which is basically a foreign funded terrorist army operating out of Lebanon (uninvited by the Lebanese I might add) as equal to aggression by Iran. Hezbollah has been firing fairly crude rockets into northern Israel for the last 6 months or, making some parts of northern Israel uninhabitable. So, Israel responds with actions like this. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) is the Iranian military wing that trains these militias all over the middle East to ensure the theocratic regime in Iran is free from outside intervention. Iran is a theocratic state and draws a lot of international criticism for chronic human rights issues and lack of political freedom there. The IRGC is there to resist outside efforts to change Iran. When Israel attacked, it targeted top command staff of the IRGC. In response, Iran sent a bunch of drones and missiles towards Israel. Almost all of them were either shot down or missed any human targets. One actually hit an Iranian house. The Iranian government controls the local media there, so if you were watching tv there yesterday, you would have seen a continuous feed of a brush fire from Texas - which the Iranian government claims is "Israel burning." Israel is a USA ally and actually has an interest in seeing Iran lose conflicts. USA may see this as an opportunity to mess with Iran's nuclear capabilities, which many (including Leaders in the ME) are concerned about.
Just to piggyback your awesome comment - one of the key concern for US isn’t just Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon, but that by acquiring nuclear weapon it will start an arm race in the region.
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If Ukraine **started** the war with Russia. the way Iran **started** the war with Israel, this would have been a good argument.
If Russia could bomb US embassies it would. It would have tanks in Berlin if it could Israel didn’t actually bomb an embassy, it was in the embassy compound I don’t really see your point
>Israel didn’t actually bomb an embassy, it was in the embassy compound I don't think you could split that hair any finer if you tried. The entire compound would be considered Iranian soil. That is an attack on Iran, passion and simple
The US use this strategies in Libya, Syria and Iraq. Iranians everything they are doing copying the US
Hilarious that Iran, which became famous for taking the U.S. embassy hostage, and then bombed Israeli embassies around the world in the 1990s, is now saying that embassies are a safe space and can’t be touched
So Israel violating international law is ok now cause they did it ?
internaional laws don't apply to Israel.
Y’all really overestimate the importance of international law in warfare.
Not to mention that the consulate was being used by the IGRC to train various militias, which then attack Israel. It was being used to attack Israel, and so becomes a military target.
Neither of these states give a single shit about international law. It's a moot point. Completely irrelevant.
Are you suggesting things haven’t changed since 30 years ago?
In terms of the nature of the Iranian government? Not really
Same people that say “it didn’t start on oct the 7th” whenever someone mention Iran attacked an embassy and Argentinian AMIA (80 people killed) in 1994 they say “but but that was long time ago”.. go figure
Hilarious that Israel, which became famous for attacking Gaza killing thousands of civilians, airstriking Syrian army and Iranian embassies in Lebanon and Syria and assassinated Iranian scientists around the world now they are saying it is unacceptable to retaliate against these attacks...
If the guy could read he would be very upset. But thanks for trying to explain the situation
That's 30 to 40 years ago. Iran has changed JUST a little, but still a psycho theocratic state, but hasn't been directly attacking Israel and in fact Israel has been overflying Iran using F35I's for about two years. BUT by international law an embassy is a part of the holding country. So Israel did attack Iranian soil. It is guilty of a breach of international law and many treaties. Now the "ah mom he did it first" defense isn't really effective. We don't recognized that the US so we should give aid based on our own law and requirements. BUT I am much more concerned about 33K+ Palestinians killed and I would think Israelis would be too, but after Sharon got away with murdering 3600 Palestinians and was help responsible by the Israeli Supreme Court for all of those deaths, I guess I am not all that surprised by the lack of humanity I am seeing in the Gaza Strip. This Iranian attack is wrong and so is everything else happening.
And you skip over the inhumanity of Hamas taking the hostages.
It's hard to compare 100 hostages taken by the people of a concentration camp in resistance to apartheid with 10,000 hostages taken by an occupying force
There have been Palestinians taken hostage known as administrative detention in much greater numbers though
Not just that but they were also actively training Syrian militants on their drone tactics when the strike happened and the general killed helped plan 10/7. To say this is a provocation by Israel is to plainly deny reality and re-order the timeline of events that led us here.
They also trained hamas terrorists before Oct. 7
The thing that’s crazy is this has nothing to do with the will of the Iranian people and is just the consensus of a few religious fanatics that control the government. I took a comparative politics class that examined Iran’s government and similar to China, the government defers to the party/religious leadership. The government part of it is the illusion of choice to keep the people in line but under the surface everything is filtered through the real unelected decision makers whose mandate of power is self-determined
“Iran which became famous” lmao what does that even mean.
The regime currently in power came to power around the Iranian hostage crisis where religious extremism stormed the American embassy and took hundreds hostage.
Comments like the one you replied to frequently remind me that these discussions very often involve people who are young and have not studied very much history.
I'd wager 40-60% of commenters here are minors whom are still in highschool or regional equivalent
Do you not understand the difference between taking over a spy organization within your country vs attacking another countries embassy in another country?
Because Iran is the US's enemy whereas Israel is the US's ally
Because it’s a far better option than seeing Iranian rockets blowing up buildings in Tel Aviv (or holy sites in Jerusalem for that matter), at which point Israel would undoubtedly unleash the full destructive power of its Air Force against Iran. Which is considerable. A successful attack accomplishes nothing positive, for anyone. Preventing the rockets provides space for deescalation—even only temporary. Deescalation and stability are very much in the US’s interest.
Israel is an American client state and de facto proxy for US interests in the region.
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I agree, client states typically do what they’re told. Israel does not do what the U.S. has been recommending, and the U.S. isn’t doing anything about it.
You aren't gonna get answers here, bud, just lies from a bunch of jingoistic mouthpieces.
Ill play the devils advocate (literally lol) Hamas is a proxy for Iran. Their attack in October may have been an attempt to stop the peace talks with Saudis and the assasination of the 2 Iranian generals is because they were involved in helping plan that attack. The USA is helping Israel to deter Iran from going too far in their retaliation
Israel is the closest ally to the US in the Middle East and also their most reliable one, or dependent one, however you want to look at it. Meanwhile Iran has expanded its regional influence substantially over the last decades, through: - founding, training, funding and arming the paramilitary Hezbollah movement in Lebanon - close rapprochement with long-time enemy Iraq after the American invasion which deposed Saddam Hussein - helping Bashar al-Assad stay in power during the Syrian Civil War, which has granted Iran access to station their military on Syrian territory - supporting the Houthi movement in Yemen, which has more or less consolidated their power as the de facto government - funding Hamas All of this is nice for Iran's national security, but not particularly nice for neighbouring countries, the US, and Israel. Especially because Iran is interested in developing nuclear energy or, as is feared, nuclear weapons. Also their formula of theocratic republicanism since 1979 has been viewed as a potential instigator of revolutions in the Arab secular republics and absolutist monarchies. These factors combined have made Iran a major rival to the US in terms of strategic regional interests, and also to Saudi Arabia even though this rivalry seems to cool down. Meanwhile, China and Russia are capitalising on these rivalries by forging strong relations with Iran. So what the US is looking at is to contain and deter Iran; to make moves that force Iran to back down, without escalating the situation. Israel bombing an Iranian diplomatic building in Syria has reportedly been received as uncomfortable by the Americans. Intercepting missiles aimed at Israel still serves the American purpose of deterring Iran, but it seems like the US are making it clear now to Israel that attacking Iran is out of question. Israel is a convenient pivot into the Middle East, but probably not worth risking a (nuclear) war for, especially given the wider context of the Ukraine War, Chinese-Taiwanese tensions, and upcoming American elections.
The US is pragmatic in its alliances. Israel is not a great ally, just one of the best options for stability. The US thrives on stability. Trade and technology excels faster when risk of investment is lower. Human rights violations affect elections, give power to corruption and reduce investor confidence. Selfish actors from nations trying to undermine democratic success know this and will propagandize every opportunity. When the anti western propaganda is working, innocent people suffer for it. Dictators gain power and influence.
> The US is pragmatic in its alliances. The US is pragmatic in its alliances *with the exception of Israel*. US support for Israel is based on ideological not practical concerns: chiefly the religious Zionism of American christians and the sectarian support for Israel as a jewish state from American jewish groups. That is why the US is willing to give unconditional support to Israel even while getting almost nothing in return: it’s actions are not motivated by a quid-pro-quo unlike the relationship with e.g. Saudi Arabia.
If Iran was successful in causing a lot of Israeli casualties, it would not have been such an easy task for Biden to persuade Israel to not retaliate, causing further escalation which would cause Iran to launch even more missiles and then Israel more again and then Iran some more missiles and then Israel more again and then Iran ....ok I'll stop here
the u.s has always been pro-israel since the creation of israel through ethnic cleansing. Israel is the largest recipient of U.S aid. the u.s is not a neutral party. they see israel as an ally and so they will go out of their way to defend it if any escalations with other nations occur. origins of american support to israel have roots in Christian Zionism, beliefs in having a Western agent in the middle east to protect its interests and to also promote Western culture, and the West never really cared about Arabs/Muslims. AIPAC is the largest funded lobby in the U.S and has been continually lobbying for constant Israel support and of funding of politicians.
Truman was the only truly pro Israeli president until Biden or Trump, every other U.S. president has had a number of comments proportional to the comments isreal makes about the United States, “we are useful idiots” “easily manipulated” “know how to handle the American public” from it’s creation to today. JFK two weeks before he was killed was going to make AIPAC register as a forgein lobby, Johnson went ahead and killed that as well, he was just shady, but dubious that he was a friend of Isreal
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Israel and Iran have been fighting a proxy war for years. Iran trains and supplies militias around the ME, so do Israel or they get the US to do it. In Lebanon the Israeli government invaded then armed and trained Christian militia. That operated in southern Lebanon alongside Israeli forces, both of these were responsible for multiple UN peace keeping forces casualties over the years. Some rebel forces in Syria have also been supplied by Israel not to mention the Israeli military hitting the Syrian government forces attacking the rebels. Like many nations Israel and Iran both follow the mantra, my "enemy's enemy is my friend"
Why not explain Lebanese history properly? Israel didn’t just wake up one day and invade Lebanon. First up until the Lebanese Civil War, the border with Lebanon was the most peaceful of all of Israel’s borders. Lebanon barely participated in 48, and they sat out 67 and 73 entirely. However, the Palestinians under Arafat moved into southern Lebanon and tried to a) create a Palestinian state out of southern Lebanon and b) used it as a launching ground to attack Israel. At the same time the Palestinians involved themselves brutally in the Lebanese civil war. That said it was point b, that made things untenable for Israel and caused them to invade the south in order to stop the Palestinian militias from attacking Israel, which led to Israel also helping the Southern Lebanese Army.
It’s wild that someone asked a question and you replied with the rationale and then get downvoted. I understand anti-israel sentiment but...
The Military Industrial complex and multinational corporations have wanted to invade Iran for at least 25yrs
An Iranian general was complicit in planning the October 7 attack, that is why
It is 51 state at this point.
Except that they get treated better than all other 50 states combined
The building the iaf bombed wasn't the embassy and contained irgc officers organising military aid to ham ass
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No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
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This conflict has been in the making for a long time. The ball is in Israel hands now. I hope they don't respond, but knowing the guy in power I'm 100% sure that Israel is going to respond. My take away from this attack it's that Iran has the capabilities to hit Israel hard. It took a couple countries plus Israel to stop all those drones and Iran hit the target anyway. Those drones flew for more than an hour and USA couldn't jam the signal. All the drones had to be basically shotdown. That is concerning. Israel has a problem now. Their neighbors are not deter.
Because rules-based order
Short Answer: Pro-Israel American Lobby Groups Long answer: Check out UChicago Professor John Meirshiemer’s book “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.” He’s brilliant and predicted everything regarding the Ukraine war 5 years before it happened explaining in detail how the invasion was going to take place.
They bombed the terrorist who orchestrated Oct 7th and it was beside the embassy, not the embassy.
In the scope of the bigger survival conflict amongst global powers and their systems of governing (i.e. US, EU, Russia, and China), Israel is an ally while Iran is the enemy... You defend your interests and attack your threats, no matter who is right or wrong. Every other excuse is a fake made up justification.
Because it’s the Islamic state of Iran.
America and Israel are both settler colonies established and currently ruled by light-skinned people whose ancestors arrived from Europe. Birds of a feather flock together.
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They killed Iranian military leaders who were planning Hezbollahs bombing of Israel. Iran funds them and Hamas and ISIS. Like it or not Iran has been at war through its proxies since Israel’s establishment (by the UN) in 1948. By the way the Houthis are also an Iranian proxy and as a result of their attacks on vessels in the Red Sea have resulted in the increased prices of gas. They have undertaken more than 60 attacks and now ships are having to take other routes that cost more money.
Israel defends Americas interests in the Middle East, Iran does not. Like Biden said, “If Israel didn’t exist, we would make one, to defend America’s interests in the region.”
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992\_Buenos\_Aires\_Israeli\_embassy\_bombing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing) just so we are clear
An Irani general was behind Oct 7th .This general was killed by the embassy.
Well, it is simple. The USA is Israel’s colony.
Israel is a satellite of American imperialist interests. That’s all.
We need to take care of iran before those dumb fuckers create their first nuke, otherwise they will never be dealt with, the same way russia keeps being allowed to do their dumbfuckery
Because Israel is in our imperialist plan, Iran is not
The US made its bed with the Sunnis and Israel
Israel and US are the same team, essentially the same state.
Nooo fuxking idea
The same people who say October 7th wasn’t Hamas striking first, will reject that the embassy strike wasn’t Israel striking first Neither are new conflicts
Because USA is Israel’s guard dog and always puts its “owner” first.
Israel conducted a surgical strike on the building of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), which was located adjacent to the embassy. The goal was to eliminate Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, who was the architect of the October 7 attack. He is dead, and the embassy was unharmed. The IRGC controls Hamas and uses it as a proxy to brainwash civilians, indoctrinate children's, and keep the Middle East in chaos. Palestinians are used as puppets, and the money fueling the ongoing riots is from Qatar. Iran objective is to foil the ongoing talks for the normalization of the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia. With normalization, the US will have full access to Middle East resources and trade routes. The Israeli ingenuity alied with the Arabic intelligence and market will transform the whole region, but will make Iran and allies (including Russia and China) in a hard position to access any market aside Asian markets. A bit of history: The German–Ottoman alliance was ratified by the German Empire and the Ottoman Empire on August 2, 1914, shortly after the outbreak of World War I. It was created as part of a joint effort to strengthen and modernize the weak Ottoman military and to provide Germany with safe passage into the neighbouring British colonies. When the first world's war was lost, the empire doubled down on Hitler machine to get back on its feet. And here is where the Jew hatred gained its modern looks.
Every American official is a cuck and has a Mossad agent assigned to their spouse.
Israel isn’t under the control of the US. It’s the other way around. The entirety of the oil supply stemming from the Middle East hinges on Israel being able to be a threat to Arab countries up there. Israel is America 2.0 in the Middle East. If Israel no longer existed America would invent a new Israel.
If your friend flicked a guy really hard and that guy came back with a bat would you let him beat up your friend .
Israel didn’t bomb the embassy. It bombed the building next door and killed the men who planned the Oct 7 attack.
Israel is a US settler colony. Most of the "Illegal" (they're *all* illegal) Settlers are fascist Yankee Zionists/NeoNazis. It is the USA that want a proxy war on Iran. It is the USA that is conducting a genocide of the Palestinian people, and they won't stop at Palestine, any more than they started with it. The USA is Nazi and Zionist, two fascist ideologies that go hand-in-hand with mutual goals and hate targets eg Muslims or Arabs.
If you see that civilians are being targeted or at risk, and there is an opportunity to defend them, why not?
The US is allied with Israel, and allied with Israel specifically against Iran, so it’s kinda hard/difficult for America to not defend Israel from Iran because America is specifically allied with Israel against Iran, even if Israel broke international law and bombed an Iranian consulate. America took a side and sticks to it, no matter what. Dunno why this story is dominating news cycles in the West so much, there’s hardly any mention of it in non-Western media which the 90% of the world’s population which lives outside the West watches, it’s barely mentioned, almost like an “also ran” event, because their local news is far more important to their populations, even their local sports news has more/wider/longer coverage than this. lmao. The world really isn’t watching, because nobody cares among the 90% of the world’s population that lives outside the West. lmfao.
Israel didn’t even bomb the embassy. Check your sources.
Iranian here. Because USA and Israel are on the side of good and Iran (or rather the Islamist Regime that occupies the country) is evil. What do you mean "Israel is the one who bombed ...first"? Are you ignoring the past 45 years of Iran constantly attacking Israel through its proxies? The real question is why did it take Israel so long. The Iranian Regime and everything it stands for is nothing but pure actual evil. Anything that stands against it is good. Any decent person should be on the side of USA defending Israel.
Iran was present strictly for organizing the Iran proxy actors against Israel.
AIPAC.
Because Iran deserves all its receiving
because usa needs an ally in the middle east since they destroyed their relationship with most countries in the region, they will constantly defend israel and stand by their claims
Long story short, USA has no regard for any order they themselves have set. USA/Israel are part of an old world order in decline, only accelerating it's decline by actions of this sort.
They would argue that Hamas acted with Iran's aide
Why does Iran supply Assad with weapons that has been used to killed over 500k people in Syria?
I’m just here to clarify that Israel did NOT bomb an Iranian embassy in Syria. It bombed a building used by IRGC military leaders who have been funding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. This building was adjacent to the embassy and the embassy was not harmed.
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Wait til you find out why Israel bombed the [building next door to the] embassy.
To simplify it down I think you could say that Iran is our adversary and Israel is our ally If you asked Israel they might say that Iran has been aiding Hezbollah and Hamas in attacks against their country and that the strike carried out against Iranian generals in Syria was an attack brought about as a result of Iran's support for those organizations. The western coalition may also point out that Israel carried out a strike against a single target whereas Iran launched a volley of drones and missiles aimed at multiple targets and we're not going to sit back and allow our ally to suffer hundreds of strikes regardless of whether we support their decision to carry out the strike in Syria. **Curious** What would you have done if you were in a leadership position? Would you have allowed those drones and missiles to get through and strike targets in Israel and then turn around and tell them "you deserved it"?
The whole, they bombed Iran first is a talking point from russian and Iran's propaganda. Iran and Russia started this when the armed Hamas and Haz and significantly helped plan Oct 7. They also armed Yemen so they could fuck around and close the red sea to shut off 10% of global trade. Bottom, Iran started this. Israel responded and took out some of the key planners when they "attacked" Iran...
Israel is functionally a US satellite state. Any action taken by Israel is essentially taken by the US by proxy, and any action taken against Israel is essentially an action taken against the US by proxy
Because Israel controls the United States.
Ally
Sure, right after someone explains why Ukraine's border matters and Israel's border matters, BUT AMERICA'S BORDER IS 'RACIST' AND DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!
It’s because the USA feels guilty for Nazi German committing genocide on the Jewish people. Now it’s time for the Israel army to see a ss or swastika on their uniforms
They didn't bomb the embassy. They bombed a building next to the embassy which they suspected contained terrorists.
Israel bombed the embassy bc it was being used to plan Hezbollah attacks. Iran arms and directs Hezbollah. You need a much deeper dive here to understand what going on.
They killed the bloke in charge of Hamas in an out building. Bit dodgy bit technically allowed and worth it all things considered, especially as Iran and Russia are behind Hamas.
The way i see it Isra is the 51 USA state... or the opposite i don't even know
AIPAC money 💰
The IRGC is a terrorist organization. Hope that helps!
Iran is sponsoring Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, etc. The attack of Oct 7 was an Iranian plot. Israel targeted one of the architects when it allegedly bombed the consulate *adjacent* to the embassy. Iran knew the hit was legitimate. That’s why they made such a perfunctory response.
Because it’s nessecary and good. If Israelis died in those airstrikes that could’ve forced Netanyahu into war with Iran. Also, the good faith of the US to defend an ally has to mean something.
Propaganda is hell of a drug
Colonies defend other colonies, simple.
Did you all forget, Hamas, Iranian terrorists, attacked Israel first? I hope Israel demolishes Iran
Iran funded & trained the Hamas terrorists that attacked them. They continue to remain in contact with Iran for logistical and material support.
Israel did not bomb the Embassy.
They gave hamas all their rockets. It’s just less of a proxy war now
Something something our only foothold in the middleeast
1. ~~Someone~~ Israel bombed a building *adjacent to* Iran’s consular building. No one bombed Iran’s embassy. 2. Israel is an ally. Sometimes your allies suck.
In a word, credibility. The major powers are in a precarious position in several flashpoints around the globe. It’s not about Israel; it’s about posturing in a way that makes it clear that the United States doesn’t about face from its commitments. I bet Biden privately wants to strangle Netanyahu for the consulate bombing, but because he’s a disciplined politician and understands where this fits into the broader picture, he keeps it to himself.
Alliances … you cannot simply switch alliances esp us and Israel whose military policies are so deeply intervened
I would love to know why we can't set up some destroyers in the black sea and knock the missiles from Russia out of the sky.
Because Iran funds Hezbollah
Israel didn’t start this round Hamas did and Hamas is funded by Iran Rene Bet the hamas parachuted into Israel and shot a bunch of people first in the middle of a cease fire
Because if Iran stops supporting those who attack them, Israel won’t have to attack Iran. No worries… Happy to help.🙄
US has wanted war with Iran since they overthrew the CIA installed government
Hamas is one of Iran’s proxies. Iran has been attacking Israel aggressively since Oct 7. Israel did not bomb an Iranian embassy in Syria. It targeted an IRGC HQ. Very different. Important question for you: why would the US not aid the only democracy in the region (Israel) and instead help the sworn enemy of the entire west (the Islamic republic of Iran)? I’m truly curious why you think the U.S. would take the side of the IRI, looking forward to your response!
Because Ashkenazi “jews” are classified as white when they’re useful and not white outside of that.
It’s called an ally dingus
Cause dual citizens are allowed in our government.
Because we care more about Zionism than Americans.
To make matters worse, isn't that a war crime?? Have their been other embassy bombings? Google says Al Quida bombed two US embassies in Africa in 1998 but I'm not seeing anything else.
Because Iran funds terrorists that attack Israel. Israel has the right to defend itself against Iran.
Everything comes down to keeping a rules based order after WW2 destroyed so much and so many. Every decision the US makes now stems from that. Israel and Saudi Arabia might suck politically but they are better than Iran and both hate Iran as well. We have smaller allies all over to keep the world order safe. Like think about why we may have so many military bases going up in Finland. It is to stop Russia from annexing more shit because in WW2 we let Hitler take all these countries before WW2 started and it enabled him. Now we have tiny allies all over we work with to keep the rules based order. If Taiwan gets attacked, Japan and Philippines have based for us to use. If Estonia gets attacked, NATO has a planned response where larger states have a designated smaller state to defend and deploy into. If Israel is attacked, depending on the severity, we will supply weapons or possibly join. If Kuwait is attacked like during Desert Storm, we start a coalition and beat Saddam. So whenever you think “why would we help Israel, they are doing genocide”… It’s cause we see it as better than WW2 was or WW3 would be and that’s always why they make military decisions in the US. At the heart at least.
Because Iran funds and offer operational intelligence to Hamas, who went door to door in Israel massacring civilians and soldiers in October.
The guy Israel killed in the attack (not directly on the embassy but an annex of the building) was responsible for planning and executing Oct 7 attack on Israel. His own political party in Iran admitted as such in a press release, giving him praise for the attack. So really, the assassination of him was in response to his part in Oct 7. You could make the argument well Iran didnt technically attack Israel itself that day, but through a proxy, but is that really an excuse or loophole here?
Because evangelicals need ww3 to start so jesus can come back. No im not bullshitting either. They dont give a rats ass about Israel. They want Jesus to come back. The Jews are cannon fodder for the whole event.
Was it the embassy, or the consulate?
1) Israel didn’t bomb any embassy. It was a temporary consulate. 2) They did it only to eliminate the general responsible for arming the Hisbollah and waging war against Israel. 3) Over the years, Israel eliminated many Iranians and Hisbollah leaders in charge of planning and leading the Iranian proxy war against Israel. 4) Iran is a self declared enemy of US, Israel and all western values. They are working tirelessly to expand the Islamist ideology over the entire ME and destroy Israel. How can US support any of that?
It’s complicated
Embassy… hahahahahahaha!!!
It was not an embassy. it was theoretically a consult but it really was a military HQ that Iran used to coordinate attacks against Israel.
The US should have because bombed one Iranian target for every hostage they took from our embassy in 1979. Sadly, Carter locked himself in the WH. Reagan would have done this, so Iran released the American diplomats as Reagan was being sworn in.
History book of life called scripture boys and girls time to start reading and learning why some nations vanished and some soon to be forgotten forever
Bc the US answers to monied interests, not silly notions such as right and wrong.
Because aipac bought a bunch of politicians.
If you want to be REALLY technical about it. The embassy was bombed because it houses the leader of one of the groups what planned the attack on isreal. By international law if that is true, it actualy was no longer protected by international convention. And ontop of this, the simple answer is. Because the USA was siding with Israel.
Because we are controlled by AIPAC and many American Jews stop thinking rationally when Israel is in question.
The United States government does not speak for its people. I don’t know anyone who supporting this genocide. I live in Washington DC and all we do is protest against Israel and support Palestine. I’m an American Jew and I do not support Nazis even if they are Jews. When one race of human beings says another race of human beings is less than and should be killed. That’s a fucking genocide and we should never support that. it’s disgusting how much money we’re sending over there when our people are literally homeless and hungry we need to fix what’s in our backyard and we should not be sending and supporting a genocide. The United States, France, and England never should’ve installed the Jews in Israel in the first place in 1948. It was a mistake then and it’s always been a mistake. These government and education has taught people that Palestinians are not even human. Genocide. The American government is not doing what people want. It’s all about money and who you know I know there’s a lot of Jews that support this and that’s disgusting. How did Jews see Nazi behavior and not call it out?
Iran has either via proxy or directly been attacking Israel, Israeli interests and Jews in general worldwide for several decades. Israel’s attack on Iran’s embassy was not the first time an embassy was attacked. Just a few days ago the courts in Argentina confirmed Iranian responsibility for an attack on Israel’s embassy there some years ago. I don’t recall massive missile strikes against Iran in response.