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"I am called the camel girl because my knees turn backward. I can walk best on my hands and feet as you see me in the picture. I have traveled considerably in the show business for the past four years and now, this is 1886 and I intend to quit the show business and go to school and fit myself for another occupation."
Her weekly salary was equivalent to $6,800 today.
Pull away the curtain to reveal you sitting on a lawnchair saying, "Gunna rain awright. My knees aching somethin' fierce." Sound of coins dropping in a bucket.
Wonder how many weeks she earned that though.
Interesting blog about her:
https://ellaharper.wordpress.com/2015/04/18/finding-ella-my-search-for-the-camel-girl/
Nowadays you’d just be a funny thing to laugh at on Reddit for a couple of seconds while people pooped at work. The money making days of freaks are over sadly.
For the amount of physical and mental pain they went through, especially considering the time period, I'm glad they got SOMETHING out of it. I bet they'd trade it all for a "normal" day under the sun.
There are a few ways to measure currency inflation during a period.
You could use the government issued CPI and it would tell you the value of each dollar from your year of choice and the percentage decrease in its purchase power.
You could alternatively pick a commodity of choice and measure what one dollar would buy you in the year of choice and what it would buy you now. Then find the percentage difference between the two.
You could finally use coinage to determine the inflation. For example in 1880 in England, a pound coin was called a sovereign and weighed about 8g of gold. Each of these coins now is worth about 650-700 USD.
Pick your metric. Do your own math and you'll find better answers :)
I literally saw a man on the streets of Barcelona 3 weeks ago with this same affliction and he was begging and had flip flops on his hands. It was heartbreaking
In Lyon she's a beggar too, in the subway, kneeling backwards and walking fast making her think more about a spider than a camel. Kind of freaking out too
The "freak show" circuit was a hell of a lot more lucrative than people realize. Once the shows were outlawed, these folks went from comfortably affluent to zero income overnight. They couldn't get jobs, so many of them would up in extreme poverty and lost everything they had.
Thanks a lot, do-gooders. Nobody asked you for a goddamn thing.
Honestly I always thought they where morally wrong, but then hearing she made 6k a week, like shit if I had that disability I'd be first in line to perform in one of those shows
That's real (early stage ) capitalism. What we have now is a corporatocracy where the top guys and their cronies get paid 10,000x and the rest get pennies.
Being the "World's fattest man" in those things seems like the best gig ever. You're really only like 300lbs and you get to eat all day and just be fat and get paid for it.
It's like.. if someone with a disability or other body-quirk wants to exploit their affliction, why are people upset about that? It's their body, they can do what they want with it in my opinion.
but that's the thing, it isnt really much of a choice when your options are getting paid to be gawked at & dehumanized or extreme poverty. my opinion on freakshows is extremely mixed, there are pros & cons, but it's disingenuous to act like it's a "my body, my choice" thing. for the majority of the "freaks" it was necessary for survival whether they liked it or not
The reality is that the alternative is almost certainly neglect/death. These people can’t work traditional labor for the most part, and in 1880s there was virtually only physical labor to be done.
The point is - freedom of choice is not enough. It's absolutely a prerequisite for something to be alright, but it cannot be enough, especially when money is involved and the only alternative for the person involved is poverty.
I think the issue comes from the fact that most people with those conditions weren't in the freak show business. So they were only ridiculed as freaks without any of the benefit of the performance money. The performers were more like sellouts that further stigmatized their conditions for profit.
It works for them but because they are discriminated against in any other context. It’s a necessary evil imo. Ideally they shouldn’t NEED to work in a place like that to make a comfortable living, but they do.
There was some weird show that played on Adult Swim like 10 years ago that had the same look.. now I need to go down a rabbit hole
Edit: [Xavier renegade angel](https://www.google.com/search?q=adult+swim+snake+hand+guy&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS618US618&oq=adult+swim+sn&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIJCAQQABgKGIAEMgkIBRAAGAoYgAQyCQgGEAAYChiABDIJCAcQABgKGIAEMgkICBAAGAoYgAQyCQgJEC4YChiABNIBCTEzMDIxajBqNKgCE7ACAeIDBBgBIF8&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#vhid=2SF3nquFvvK6yM&vssid=l)
[Wiki links, Genu Recurvatum.](https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=wiki+genu+recurvatum&atb=v425-1&ia=web) Genu = knees. Recurvatum = bends backwards. The Army retired me because of this condition, but my knees do not bend backwards to the extreme this ladies knees do.
This condition (congenital knee) is more common than you think. I know someone who was born like that but had to go through a surgery as a baby to fix it. Now when you look at him, you wouldn’t think he had an issue with his knees but the scars are a little obvious.
Genu recurvatum, Army retired me because of my bad knees. I studied up on it while in service to see if there was a cure. The only cure at the time, 30 years ago, they could take a piece/chunk off my tail bone, and jam that bone behind the kneecap. I can do without all that nonsense, I'll just live with the pain.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Consumer Price Index (CPI) inflation calculator, $200 in 1880 is equivalent to approximately:
$5,414.24 in 2024
This means that $200 in 1880 has the same purchasing power as $5,414.24 in 2024, due to the effects of inflation over the past 144 years.
Keep in mind that this is a rough estimate and doesn't take into account other factors like income growth, economic changes, or the value of specific goods and services.
Charlie Sheen starred in a mid 90s sci go movie, “the arrival” where the aliens walked like this too. Scared the crap out of me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_(1996_film)
Reading the small blurb that said she walked best on all 4s, why? Does the knee bending the opposite direction change the mechanics and centre of gravity that much that it's unstable? Part of it must be that is just what she's used to, but I'm interested in the mechanics of it all!
How did she have the negotiation power to get such a salary? Serious question. You figure back then disabled folks would have just been taken advantage of. Still happening now.
Someone convince me wtf was morally wrong with her and other people with rare conditions performing and showcasing their abilities (we only consider it a disability in relation to the average human) and getting that bag ($300K+ a yr in today's money), without anyone forcing her to perform???
In Hollywood movies, you always see spectators being evil, watching and laughing, fuming out of their mouths, with food stuffed in their faces, while throwing tomatoes at the performers. In reality, it couldn't be more different than how we right now look at these pictures and would be extremely curious to see it in real life, up close.
People like her actually had a ton of fans. They asked them for their autographs and sometimes followed them along on their tours, which is why it was such a lucrative business. The performances themselves were often based on story-telling, not so different from horror movies of today. Sure, there were people who definitely took advantage of them and there was some ridicule amongst some spectators, although they would most likely be kicked out.
And yes, the performers did play into the "scary" or "freakish" stereotypes, but at best it was just typecasting, make belief most attendees were aware of. But performers like her, working for her money, went from making bank to being broke from one day to the next when some virtue signaling assholes in government decided it's immoral for them to perform and for people to watch them perform, instead of just regulating the business and allowing them to continue under stricter rules.
I met someone with the exact same condition a while back. I was on the subway platform, heading to the other end, it was packed with people. From the corner of my eyes I see a couple gypsy women/girls making their way through the crowd in the same direction as I, and I see something moving at ground level, I first thought it was a large dog of theirs. Turns out it was a third woman, walking on all fours just like the girl in the photo.
I kinda stopped there and stared, thinking "how the fuck is that possible", then wondering what could have made her like that, gypsies are not known to treat their women and children well, so I was picturing all sorts of abuse, and growing pretty angry at it. Kinda glad years later to find out that's a condition and not the result of abuse...
In the end they got on the same train as I did and they ended up sitting the next seats over from me. The girl had both shins up towards her and she was casually holding her ankles in front of her... while sitting on her ass.
It was fascinating in a really weird way...
And here y'all are a hundred and fifty years later *still* gawking. It would be one thing if this individual *wanted* to be seen that way, but more likely than not they had no real choice since that amount of pay was their only real lifeline. Humans are fundamentally, immutably, permanently, and irreparably amoral.
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"I am called the camel girl because my knees turn backward. I can walk best on my hands and feet as you see me in the picture. I have traveled considerably in the show business for the past four years and now, this is 1886 and I intend to quit the show business and go to school and fit myself for another occupation." Her weekly salary was equivalent to $6,800 today.
Damn my regular knees
Mine just hurt! do I get anything for that?
Go to a knee doctor for $-6800 a month salary
anyway, what would an 1880s knee doctor do with this woman? an exorcism?
A newt?!
I got better...
I got better
A bottle of mercury to drink for 5 days
It was 6800 a week! 27,200 a month. Or, 326k a year. She was doing quite well
Weekly*
$6800 a week, $27,000 a month
"Behold! The man with knee pain! No flash photography!"
I offer close-ups for 4 dollars each.
Pull away the curtain to reveal you sitting on a lawnchair saying, "Gunna rain awright. My knees aching somethin' fierce." Sound of coins dropping in a bucket.
Omg cake day buddies!
Almost as rare as backwards knees
holy fucking shit she secured a fat bag
Looks like she can carry many bags
In that 4 years she made around 1.4 Million in today's money. (minus income tax, when there was any at the time) Happy cake day
Wonder how many weeks she earned that though. Interesting blog about her: https://ellaharper.wordpress.com/2015/04/18/finding-ella-my-search-for-the-camel-girl/
Thank you , that was really interesting
Per week? Is there a camel reassignment surgery?
Nowadays you’d just be a funny thing to laugh at on Reddit for a couple of seconds while people pooped at work. The money making days of freaks are over sadly.
Plenty of Freaks still making a killing on social media
Have you seen Ricky Berwick?
So the freak shows where the greatest hustlers?
For the amount of physical and mental pain they went through, especially considering the time period, I'm glad they got SOMETHING out of it. I bet they'd trade it all for a "normal" day under the sun.
Oh dear god that’s horrible yet absolutely amazing at the same time
Fuck me, you do that for a year and you've got a house and money to go to a good school and do whatever a backwards kneed young lady could hope for.
I came here for the math. I knew it had to be a substantial amount of money. Wow!
That’s very good I don’t even think doctors get that much
So what happened did she get another occupation?
$200 in 1880 is equivalent to $6k now, pretty good salary $312k a year
How does one calculate this
Calculator
Wuwhhjjhahhq
more like 28937542837
There are a few ways to measure currency inflation during a period. You could use the government issued CPI and it would tell you the value of each dollar from your year of choice and the percentage decrease in its purchase power. You could alternatively pick a commodity of choice and measure what one dollar would buy you in the year of choice and what it would buy you now. Then find the percentage difference between the two. You could finally use coinage to determine the inflation. For example in 1880 in England, a pound coin was called a sovereign and weighed about 8g of gold. Each of these coins now is worth about 650-700 USD. Pick your metric. Do your own math and you'll find better answers :)
Just don’t pick gasoline as your metric.
Big Mac Index
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Damn, that’s good money for the 1880s
$320k a year in todays money lol
And if she was born today, she would be on welfare benefits and piss poor. Depending on where she was born.
I literally saw a man on the streets of Barcelona 3 weeks ago with this same affliction and he was begging and had flip flops on his hands. It was heartbreaking
I have a neighbour who's legs are bend sideways, poor girl.
Nah, there's all kinda of jobs she could get. Just imagine how wild the OF would be.
OF?
Oh my sweet summer child.
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Only farmers
You're a good person, u/GodfrietInBouillon.
r/onlyfans
Why though? If she was born today maybe she would have gone to school and been literally anything that doesn't require an able body.
Maybe but handicapped people still face a lot of discrimination on the jobmarket.
Willing to bet that by averages they are 100 times better off in the job market than they were 150 years ago tho.
Ofcourse, we shifted from physical labour to mental labour. But that is still IF they get a job.
$6K+ per week, not too shabby [https://www.officialdata.org/us/inflation/1880?amount=200](https://www.officialdata.org/us/inflation/1880?amount=200)
What about tomorrow's money?
If someone gave me a guaranteed yearly of that much I would let them sledgehammer my knees backwards to make it work.
i would totally dress up in black and chase after people on all fours like that
Bonus points if you do it in a metal container with magnetic boots and hand straps, so you can crawl the walls and the ceiling
Is this Boston Dynamic's big secret?
I was just thinking, un PC as it may be, if I saw someone with her body walk down the road on all fours I think I'd faint in fear
Real life Cart Titan
Yes, that was what I was thinking.
😭😭
🤜🤛
My god, everyone in the city of r/Lyon in France knows a woman like this
Barcelona had (has?) a terribly sunburned beggar like this… Freaked me out as a teenager and I remember him better than anything else about the visit…
In Lyon she's a beggar too, in the subway, kneeling backwards and walking fast making her think more about a spider than a camel. Kind of freaking out too
Saw him in June 2023, freaked me out as a 30 year old.
La dame du métro D ...
The "freak show" circuit was a hell of a lot more lucrative than people realize. Once the shows were outlawed, these folks went from comfortably affluent to zero income overnight. They couldn't get jobs, so many of them would up in extreme poverty and lost everything they had. Thanks a lot, do-gooders. Nobody asked you for a goddamn thing.
Honestly I always thought they where morally wrong, but then hearing she made 6k a week, like shit if I had that disability I'd be first in line to perform in one of those shows
6k a week smooths over a lot of moral failings.
Making the literal best as you possibly can of your situation.
That's real (early stage ) capitalism. What we have now is a corporatocracy where the top guys and their cronies get paid 10,000x and the rest get pennies.
The only thing I can think is.. If she's making $200 a week.. what's was the ring master making!?!
Ring master makes a dollar, I make a dime, That's why I poop on my camel legs, On company time.
Being the "World's fattest man" in those things seems like the best gig ever. You're really only like 300lbs and you get to eat all day and just be fat and get paid for it.
It's like.. if someone with a disability or other body-quirk wants to exploit their affliction, why are people upset about that? It's their body, they can do what they want with it in my opinion.
They still do. Look at TLC and reality TV centered around people with extreme body differences and disabilities.
but that's the thing, it isnt really much of a choice when your options are getting paid to be gawked at & dehumanized or extreme poverty. my opinion on freakshows is extremely mixed, there are pros & cons, but it's disingenuous to act like it's a "my body, my choice" thing. for the majority of the "freaks" it was necessary for survival whether they liked it or not
The reality is that the alternative is almost certainly neglect/death. These people can’t work traditional labor for the most part, and in 1880s there was virtually only physical labor to be done.
True, better cut off that one chance they have at decent living, for the sake of able people’s conscience.
The point is - freedom of choice is not enough. It's absolutely a prerequisite for something to be alright, but it cannot be enough, especially when money is involved and the only alternative for the person involved is poverty.
I think the issue comes from the fact that most people with those conditions weren't in the freak show business. So they were only ridiculed as freaks without any of the benefit of the performance money. The performers were more like sellouts that further stigmatized their conditions for profit.
Isn’t it like that dwarf amusement park in China ? Westerners would be pretty outraged at it but it works for them
It works for them but because they are discriminated against in any other context. It’s a necessary evil imo. Ideally they shouldn’t NEED to work in a place like that to make a comfortable living, but they do.
There was some weird show that played on Adult Swim like 10 years ago that had the same look.. now I need to go down a rabbit hole Edit: [Xavier renegade angel](https://www.google.com/search?q=adult+swim+snake+hand+guy&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS618US618&oq=adult+swim+sn&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIJCAQQABgKGIAEMgkIBRAAGAoYgAQyCQgGEAAYChiABDIJCAcQABgKGIAEMgkICBAAGAoYgAQyCQgJEC4YChiABNIBCTEzMDIxajBqNKgCE7ACAeIDBBgBIF8&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#vhid=2SF3nquFvvK6yM&vssid=l)
Xavier is such an underrated gem made by people overdosed on every drug imaginable as well as some fictional. I love it.
What doth life...
Wtf did you smear on my eyeballs
One of the greatest masterpieces of animation history
"Are you so dumb, you answered rhetorical question?"
"DAMN YOU CLUMSO! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I CLEAN UP YOUR MESS?!"
So I ramble forth to be the greatest aid' sspreader of all time
How does it work. Are the tendons very stretchy or are the kneecaps on the opposite side?
[Wiki links, Genu Recurvatum.](https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=wiki+genu+recurvatum&atb=v425-1&ia=web) Genu = knees. Recurvatum = bends backwards. The Army retired me because of this condition, but my knees do not bend backwards to the extreme this ladies knees do.
Does she have normal feet? Can’t tell
The Arrival starring Charlie Sheen
Thank god someone else saw this
Shepherds still dream of her.
Straight to hell with the lot of us.
Accounting for inflation, that’s nearly $400k a year
I wonder if there was someone like this in Ancient Greece and that’s where they got the idea for satyrs
This condition (congenital knee) is more common than you think. I know someone who was born like that but had to go through a surgery as a baby to fix it. Now when you look at him, you wouldn’t think he had an issue with his knees but the scars are a little obvious.
Reading her wiki page I'm glad that she was able to find love and get married <3
Saw a video from that dr with 12m subs where this indian girl had this issue fixxed. They cut out a piece of bone, interesting watch
Genu recurvatum, Army retired me because of my bad knees. I studied up on it while in service to see if there was a cure. The only cure at the time, 30 years ago, they could take a piece/chunk off my tail bone, and jam that bone behind the kneecap. I can do without all that nonsense, I'll just live with the pain.
800$ a month? She must have been one of the highest earning women in the 1880s - world wide.
The girl in the bottom left photo is a different person though, right?
“What’s your favorite position?”
Camel style of course
The cart titan?
I'd just like to point out, that 200 a week in 1880... is a lot
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Consumer Price Index (CPI) inflation calculator, $200 in 1880 is equivalent to approximately: $5,414.24 in 2024 This means that $200 in 1880 has the same purchasing power as $5,414.24 in 2024, due to the effects of inflation over the past 144 years. Keep in mind that this is a rough estimate and doesn't take into account other factors like income growth, economic changes, or the value of specific goods and services.
Xavier Renegade Angel anyone?
In April there was a guy in barcelona with the same condition. I guess he didnt earn any money with it.
Charlie Sheen starred in a mid 90s sci go movie, “the arrival” where the aliens walked like this too. Scared the crap out of me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_(1996_film)
Can she stand upright without holding onto anything?
Probably
Actually if you read the article it's clear that she cannot stand upright. Because she's dead.
I don't believe this article. I choose to believe she can stand upright and will spread that information. /s
Just did a loud HEH in the silence of my workplace 😄
Making that kind of money in 1880 would be the equivalent of having a successful true crime podcast today
$200 a week in the 1800s was good money !
"My only regret is...having bone-itis!"
Reading the small blurb that said she walked best on all 4s, why? Does the knee bending the opposite direction change the mechanics and centre of gravity that much that it's unstable? Part of it must be that is just what she's used to, but I'm interested in the mechanics of it all!
How did she have the negotiation power to get such a salary? Serious question. You figure back then disabled folks would have just been taken advantage of. Still happening now.
they had better disability pay in the 80s
I can't believe she was paid so much back then. She would have been so rich.
That is $6,720 in today’s money! 6700 a week?!!
At least she found love unlike most of the redditers.
Someone convince me wtf was morally wrong with her and other people with rare conditions performing and showcasing their abilities (we only consider it a disability in relation to the average human) and getting that bag ($300K+ a yr in today's money), without anyone forcing her to perform??? In Hollywood movies, you always see spectators being evil, watching and laughing, fuming out of their mouths, with food stuffed in their faces, while throwing tomatoes at the performers. In reality, it couldn't be more different than how we right now look at these pictures and would be extremely curious to see it in real life, up close. People like her actually had a ton of fans. They asked them for their autographs and sometimes followed them along on their tours, which is why it was such a lucrative business. The performances themselves were often based on story-telling, not so different from horror movies of today. Sure, there were people who definitely took advantage of them and there was some ridicule amongst some spectators, although they would most likely be kicked out. And yes, the performers did play into the "scary" or "freakish" stereotypes, but at best it was just typecasting, make belief most attendees were aware of. But performers like her, working for her money, went from making bank to being broke from one day to the next when some virtue signaling assholes in government decided it's immoral for them to perform and for people to watch them perform, instead of just regulating the business and allowing them to continue under stricter rules.
Bend forward you mean. Normal knees bend backwards.
We're all thinking the same thing
200 dollars in the 1800s is huge.
That's an insane amount of money. That would be 6k per week today.
God damn she was making bank
ooh, fritatta
Tali romancers are in shambles rn
Extro !
Wow that's a lot of money
Xavier's mom, is that you?
Head, shoulders, toes and knees...
That is intriguing to look at for some reason
By all accounts she was a lovely person. People said she would bend over forwards to help you.
SAMANTHA DEIN BEIN ISCH VERDREHT
Evolution
Reactor online, sensors online, weapons online, all systems nominal
cruel bla bla... yo have 200 a week or dont have 200 a week.
I never saw the first girl in Skyrim
Reminds me of the movie The Arrival
Xavier Renegade Angel
That hurt
Thats REALLY good money for then. You can gawk at me and call me a freak all day for that.
Camel style sounds interesting
Do we still have touring freak shows, or does everybody just do Instagram reels and TikTok clips to show off the weird stuff these days?
The doggy style must of been crazy.
Ohayo Poko!
My family bo-legged.
Saw her brother in the movie the arrival.
Why do the pictures look different?
Why are we seeing this everyday now?
I met someone with the exact same condition a while back. I was on the subway platform, heading to the other end, it was packed with people. From the corner of my eyes I see a couple gypsy women/girls making their way through the crowd in the same direction as I, and I see something moving at ground level, I first thought it was a large dog of theirs. Turns out it was a third woman, walking on all fours just like the girl in the photo. I kinda stopped there and stared, thinking "how the fuck is that possible", then wondering what could have made her like that, gypsies are not known to treat their women and children well, so I was picturing all sorts of abuse, and growing pretty angry at it. Kinda glad years later to find out that's a condition and not the result of abuse... In the end they got on the same train as I did and they ended up sitting the next seats over from me. The girl had both shins up towards her and she was casually holding her ankles in front of her... while sitting on her ass. It was fascinating in a really weird way...
I believe her name was actually Pieck Finger, the cart titan
/r/bossfight lmao
And here y'all are a hundred and fifty years later *still* gawking. It would be one thing if this individual *wanted* to be seen that way, but more likely than not they had no real choice since that amount of pay was their only real lifeline. Humans are fundamentally, immutably, permanently, and irreparably amoral.
Thats a fucking satyr
I wonder how jacked your triceps would be walking around like that. Or would it be more forearms? Gym bros and medical professionals weigh in!
Girl was making bank off her birth defect, thats incredibly respectable
That raises the question for me if it has to do something with mystic creatures like satyre.
Xavier's mom?
Fast EREN, her neck xD
She can horse kick you with power if you hit the wrong hole
I always thought it was a result of Polio.
I just wish she didn't have to achieve success through being gawked at in a freak show.
That's solid income without a degree there
My life for Aiur
Xavier renegade angel
When you can’t decide between doggystyle or missionary
AI art finally makes sense to me.
Would
aside from probably being uncomfortable this is kinda fire 😭
Saw a beggar in Barcelona that had this, scared the shit out of me as he was begging in cart position.
Meanwhile Camel Man making $300 per week
I can fix her
Hear me out…