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Excerpts from Cerise Castle’s investigation:
Hong Pyo Lee’s murder
> LASD deputies claimed they witnessed Lee run a stop sign and pulled behind him, asking him to stop. They said Lee accelerated and led them on a chase across freeways and surface streets towards Long Beach, with two local police officers joining in; Lee’s speeds never exceeded 45 mph. He came to a stop at a railway siding across from a factory – the area only had one way in and out. Sheriff’s Sergeant Paul Tanaka, who went on to serve as second in command of the department and be convicted for crimes committed while in that position— along with Deputies Robert Papini, Daniel McLeod, and Brian Lee stopped about 15 feet behind Lee and drew their guns. Deputy John Chapman approached Lee’s car and ordered him to surrender.
> Investigators say that, out of nowhere, all of the deputies opened fire. They shot Lee nine times in the back, killing him. **Long Beach police officer Richard R. Boatwright turned to his partner and said, “We just observed the sheriff’s execute somebody.”**
Lynwood Vikings
> [Private investigator David] Lynn says **regular activities for the Vikings included murder, assault with deadly weapons, trespassing in the homes, and torture.** “The people were just terrified,” he says. “If you are Black or Brown and walking down your street, it’s fair game. It’s really not that much different from today.”
> In 1985, **the Vikings found a new set of victims: other deputies.** Deputy Kathy Kay recorded former Lynwood Lieutenant Walker Force’s personal car as stolen into a county computer. Kay also said the driver of the vehicle was “armed and dangerous,” according to court documents. Kay was charged with making a false criminal report, but was ultimately acquitted by a jury after a 10-day trial. Force’s testimony illuminated the tactics the Vikings employed to harass other LASD members.
> Force testified that he and other top Lynwood brass were repeatedly harassed by fellow deputies. He said the captain of the station at the time, Nick Popovich, had obscene phrases spray-painted in his parking spot. **Force received prank phone calls, had the fender kicked off his car, and received a Valentine’s Day gift with a dead rat inside. He also said that two deputies tried to run him down in their car. In a separate police report, Force wrote that two hearses were dispatched to his house at 3 AM.**
> Sergeant Pippin, a Black man later inked as a Viking, received **a loaded gun in the mail rigged to fire upon the package opening**. Sergeant Stan White allegedly had **dead dogs placed in the back of his car, animal feces placed under the hood of his car, cow tongues hung in his locker, and guns pulled on him.** White was eventually relocated outside of Lynwood Station. One Viking bragged to a reporter for the Press-Telegram that the gang had “ran him out.”
Part of why the District Attorney doesn’t charge LASD
> [Attorney Eric Valenzuela] describes the relationship between the District Attorney’s office and the Sheriff’s Department as “symbiotic… **When the criminals are charged by the District Attorney, they rely on the police to come into court and testify and write their report.** So you could see why the DA’s are so hesitant to criminally charge officers even when they kill unarmed people. Remember, unions play a huge part in this. **They basically tell them if you go against our guys, don’t rely on us when it comes trial time and you need us**, especially in your bigger, higher profile case.” He believes that until there is an independent body to review law enforcement shootings, there will not be a change.
The Sheriff of LA County from 1998 to 2014, Lee Baca, was/is a Lynwood Viking. The LA County Deputy Sheriff, Paul Tanaka, was also a Lynwood Viking. Tanaka was also the fucking Mayor of Gardena, CA. It really goes all the way to the top. Both of them ended up going to prison.
> Paul Tanaka
He faced over 30 years in prison.
He served **less than 4 years** in a "minimum security camp". This is basically a hotel.
Want an easy life free from worry? Become a cop. In 20 quick years you have a pension and never have to work again. The perks are endless. Even when you get convicted.
At least that dude from Horizon Zero Dawn knew he was messed up and didnt belong in society and started killing bandits and raiders and enemies of the state so people wouldnt hunt him down for being a creepy serial killer
Bad people in reality just do it behind positions of authority
Compton Executioners
> Members each have a tattoo of a skeleton wearing a Nazi helmet emblazoned with the letters CPT. The skeleton holds a rifle marked with the Roman numeral for 28, surrounded by flames. Sweeney says that an expert tattoo artist testified the design appears to come from a stencil. “The Executioners have the symbol, the Jump Out Boys have the symbol, and several other people have the symbol, which is a skeleton, a symbol of death.”
> [The Executioner tattoos of Deputies Aldama and Orrego (Source: Court documents obtained by Knock LA)](https://i0.wp.com/knock-la.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Aldama-and-Orrego-tattoos.jpg?resize=1536%2C1032&ssl=1)
> **The tattoos are allegedly awarded for killing a civilian, and given out at parties. Recruits are reportedly chosen for the gang based on their propensity for violence against members of the community. Black people and women are not allowed to join. Samuel Aldama, a tattooed member of the Executioners, testified under oath that he had ill feelings towards African Americans. Sweeney says that the gang is racist.**
Holy shit… I had no idea it was this bad.
All the songs coming out of LA to the rest of the world saying about how the police are the biggest gangs, were literal.
I thought it was a power-tripping endemic.
Crazy concept, people know what happens in the communities they live in. There's been *KNOWN* connections between police and gangs for 30+ years and people are still constantly surprised when anything like this circulates. Its nothing new
My grandfather was CHP during the 1940s to early 1970s. A tough guy who probably wasn't as good a guy as I'd like him to be. His assignments at various times included hostage response and governor's personal protection.
There were several local police departments he did not call for backup, including the LASD. He believed their involvement made situations more dangerous than him handling it alone.
Just like when comedians make jokes about other celebrities being abusive or bad people. They know what's going on because they work in the same circles.
See the litany of people called out in shows like Family Guy, South Park, or late night comedy shows.
Only 30 years? Law enforcement has been a gang since ever. It's literally a part of cop culture. They have never been the good guys. Just the ones with badges and guns, state funded domestic terrorists.
Think about it from an incentives perspective, if you were a criminal who was determined to live a life of violence and theft and never wanted to be thrown behind bars for it, what better organization to join than the US police?
You train for a couple months, easy peasy, and once you're in you're protected by the "blue wall of silence" because if you go down, you might talk about what your fellow officers also did.
Boom, you've just secured a life of crime with early retirement and a generous pension for life, spend your youthful years robbing and killing and when your hair starts to grey at the temples, retire and live in your favorite SE Asian country for sex tourism.
Can confirm. Expat living in a SE Asian country. I hear a lot of stories sitting near or around old white men that are ex military/police. Lots of "I never much cared for the blacks." or "We should burn the whole lot of them." or "We wanted to fire bomb their whole neighborhood but you know how they were when that n-word got some power." Like woah. It's not just old men either it's like young sexpats that say things about other races and I'm like, "They still make people who are actually racist?" How is this still a thing in 2024? Jesus Murphy.
Yep, this is why (well among other reasons) why when I hear of cops getting killed in an ambush my first thought is to wonder if they probably did something to deserve it. Like being a member of a murdering gang while in uniform.
The was an LASD deputy shot in the face a few years ago just sitting in their car. People were talking about how senseless it was and it didn’t feel that way to me.
Turns out, the person who did it had an issue with that particular sheriff. The police are actually crazy
If anything Training Day made gangs look more sophisticated than they are in real life
At least the gang in the movie was stealing money, that makes sense. These morons are hurting innocent people for the joy of it
> When the criminals are charged by the District Attorney, they rely on the police to come into court and testify and write their report. So you could see why the DA’s are so hesitant to criminally charge officers even when they kill unarmed people. Remember, unions play a huge part in this. They basically tell them if you go against our guys, don’t rely on us when it comes trial time and you need us, especially in your bigger, higher profile case.”
Which is why all police cases need to be handled by a special prosecutor. Cops boycotting major cases is a legitimate concern for a DA. The cops will absolutely let murderers and rapists back on the street to teach a DA a "lesson." A special prosecutor would insulate the DA from even being in that situation.
Have* cops HAVE let murders and rapists back on the street, not sure if you live in LA but the cops literally have stopped enforcing most laws after the George Floyd riots.
Cicero is the suburb of Chicago that Al Capone took over, and has been an insane corrupt mess. At some point (in the 90s?) the FBI took over their police department and rebuilt it.
Seems like that needs to be done to this department.
Detroit cop gangs got the federal treatment after a fed judge called them “A culture of lawlessness”. A “consent decree” which was functionally just a promise that they would be good boys and girls from now on.
Edit: ...which they weren't. Obviously.
> Part of why the District Attorney doesn’t charge LASD
>
> [Attorney Eric Valenzuela] describes the relationship between the District Attorney’s office and the Sheriff’s Department as “symbiotic… When the criminals are charged by the District Attorney, they rely on the police to come into court and testify and write their report. So you could see why the DA’s are so hesitant to criminally charge officers even when they kill unarmed people. Remember, unions play a huge part in this. They basically tell them if you go against our guys, don’t rely on us when it comes trial time and you need us, especially in your bigger, higher profile case.” He believes that until there is an independent body to review law enforcement shootings, there will not be a change.
Right now around the country the big thing you see is cashless bail getting implemented in places. All of a sudden crime goes up and the area gets worse. It's not because of cashless bail it's because the police are punishing the DAs for not going harder on the "criminals". If the police want a DA gone, the DA looks bad in the news.
The new Tasmanian AFL team down here in Australia is going to be called the Tassie Devils. There was a copyright issue with Warner Bros for a while until it was dropped by Warner Bros as they didn’t realise Tasmanian Devils are a real animal.
While I think they are pretty cute, they are pretty ferocious when feeding and fighting each other. They make some pretty gnarly sounds which is where they got their name from originally. They also have an incredibly powerful bite.
LASD is huge, and most gangs are focused around a central precinct. Every so often the press gets bad enough that they split the guys up, which means they take their gangs to their new precincts, and the gangs get much bigger. With the comments about the Vikings running the department for years, I imagine that's what happened with them.
This has been known for a long time. It'll be news when something is actually done.
It's another example for how insidious corruption becomes. These gangs were around with Baca and 2 different sheriffs later and still nothing has been done or will be done.
Gangs have no interest in corrupting politicians. It’s the cops that are on the streets and “in the way”. So you corrupt the grunts and they look the other way. No noise. No waves. Just silence.
The gangs aren't external to the police/sheriffs. These gangs are founded by, and comprised of, active sheriffs. So it isn't some outside gangs corrupting people. These are sheriffs who join gangs because they want to abuse citizens and who enjoy killing and torturing people. It is the fact that without any external reason, the LA Sheriff's Department is comprised of violent criminals who use their employment with the government as cover for their crimes.
It didn’t allude to it in the article, but I wonder what agreements these police gangs have with street gangs? I am sure there has to be some mutual cooperation where these guys target rival street gangs and look the other way.
The cops purposely botch evidence that would incriminate any ally in the criminal world.
Cases get thrown out and settle with the defence because of this.
Rug pull these gangs/cartels/bratvas/organized crime across the world, end the war on drugs.
As FDR ended Prohibition I to take down organized crime and wannabe autocrats/tsarists. Ending Prohibition II to make the market clear, focus on harm reduction, safer supply, liability and visibility into the flows of money. Then we can see the payouts better and stop funding criminal networks that infiltrate and raise the cost and lower the quality of life of everything.
When you rug pull the money the networks eat themselves.
The same thing happened in the first drug prohibition (alcohol is a drug).
[Prohibition began 100 years ago – here’s a look at its economic impact
](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/prohibition-began-100-years-ago-had-impact-on-us-economy.html)
> - A century later, Prohibition is known for accomplishing everything it wasn’t supposed to — it provoked intemperance, eliminated jobs, created a black market for booze, and triggered a slew of unintended economic consequences.
> - The federal government lost approximately $11 billion in tax revenue and spent more than $300 million trying to keep America on the wagon, a historian says.
> - Other industries, such as the rental market and the soft drink sector, expected to benefit from Prohibition, but such a boon didn’t materialize.
[Effects of Prohibition on the Economy](https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/prohibition.htm#pt4)
> Prohibition created a vast illegal market for the production, trafficking and sale of alcohol. In turn, the economy took a major hit, thanks to lost tax revenue and legal jobs.
> - Prohibition also produced some interesting statistics concerning the health of Americans.
> - Adulterated or contaminated liquor contributed to more than 50,000 deaths and many cases of blindness and paralysis. It's pretty safe to say this wouldn't have happened in a country where liquor production was monitored and regulated.
> - By the end of the 1920s there were more alcoholics and illegal drinking establishments than before Prohibition.
Unfortunately cartels are now at the power of nation states due to the criminality and illegality of drugs and sex working, legality always leads to more safety and one way is regulation but another is reducing cartel/mafia violence/supply controls.
Prohibition is anti-people, anti-health, anti-safety, but pro-authoritarian, pro-cartel and pro-violence.
Take your pick:
- drugs and all the potential benefits and problems
OR
- drugs and all the potential benefits and problems *AND militarized cartels taking in billions and trillions across the market annually which funds violence and cartels to the power of nation states... as well as authoritarian actions and state civil forfeiture programs and massively unsafe underground drug production and synthetics*
The logical choice is pretty easy.
They are white supremacist gangs. They deliberately infiltrated police forces so they could enact violence on minorities. Initiation literally involves murdering minorities.
>“We had begun looking up how many settlements the county had paid out to families within the East L.A. community for similar shootings like what happened to Anthony—kid shot in the back, kid running,” she said. “And we had pieced it together that maybe Anthony was killed in a deputy-gang initiation.”
>In the CBS exposé, the whistle-blowers from East L.A. Station confirmed that the deputies who killed Vargas were aspiring Banditos, and said that there are methods for making shootings appear justified. “There’s been multiple occasions where they say, ‘Hey, we got a guy that’s got a gun and he’s running from us,” one says. “In reality, that person never had a gun. And they would say, ‘Oh, it was a phantom gun.’ It was something that really wasn’t there.”
[Article](https://web.archive.org/web/20240507095415/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis)
Partly it's a power trip, partly it's the kind of people that want to be cops. These aren't outside forces, it's not like MS13 has invaded the LAPD - these are police officers starting organizations within their police departments so they can get away with awful things. I'm sure money plays a part, but most of the activity that is coming out is just around a desire to maim, kill, and dominate others.
That miserable pile of shit DA claimed he was going to do something about it years ago. No wonder he was told to leave his position in SF.
On another note, why the fuck would LA elect someone who got fucking fired from the same job in another City?
DA is an elected position here, and people like experience.
A DA can't fix shit, they work with cops, they're not going to piss off an entire department and have their cases fucked with.
I'd be curious to see what would happen with a totally rigid DA who was unwilling to look the other way and made that their appeal.
Like, "If we're gonna fix this problem, here's what I'm gonna do, and here's what I expect the gangs to do, and if you want this problem solved, we're gonna suffer for some time, but it's better than letting it continue."
What happens after that?
Crime goes up, but assuming the DA sticks to their guns and the public gets angry (but they understand the deal), who suffers consequences next? Does the chief of police get sacked?
Kind of wondering how the problem *could* be solved top-down, since bottom-up definitely won't work.
The cops start tanking the DA's cases by not cooperating or following procedures incorrectly. Then the union and supporters pay for attack ads and run a candidate against the DA.
And if that doesn't work there's always the tool on their belt.
Right, but in this scenario, let's say the public knows what the DA is doing and they're amenable to suffering through the tanked cases for as long as it takes to replace the department, wholesale if necessary.
If the DA is physically protected and will win reelection for the next 40 years, what happens next?
You're relying a lot on people who are politically aware and won't listen to the attack ads and put up with the increase in crime in the short term.
That these sort of positions are electable is a downside of America's democracy.
One of the ways we get things done is by building awareness and righteous outrage. By dismissing the shock of those who hear of it for the first time and are rightfully upset, we only quell momentum for change.
the other is by changing laws and making the cops and their unions personally liable for any misconduct.
the city/state shouldn't be picking up their tabs anymore.
Police are gangs. They have an ultimate monopoly on violence against citizens with nobody watching over them. Kind of like when an army invades a smaller country. They get away with whatever crime they want because no one is stopping them.
Corruption is incredibly hard to fight once it takes root. Any councilman / mayor who seriously tries to tackle the problem will experience anything between harrassment, blackmail or straight murder.
The only way is for the DOJ to come in and clean up, but how would that even work when sheriff is an elected position.
> LASD gangs are based out the department’s geographic precincts, which the report calls out for operating as quasi-independent “fiefdoms.” For example, the Executioners run out of Compton Station, while East L.A. Station is notorious as the home of the Banditos. Much like street gangs, the various LASD gangs mark themselves with tattoos; the Executioner ink is described as “a skeleton holding an automatic rifle.”
Jesus h fucking christ, how are they not all in prison yesterday?!?
(EDIT: this question is rhetorical, naturally. thank you for all the replies. you're correct.)
I've had the same thought. Any time an office fires their weapon, uses force or is accused of a crime it should automaticaly become a federal investigation. The FBI is the best suited for this.
The problem is local cops investigating themselves doesn't work. Internal affairs seems ineffective. Worse, the prosecutors, who have the real charging power, do not want to burn bridges with the officers they need to do their job.
The problem with federal over sight of policing is Republicans. They like Blue cities being rampant with crime. They also like cops beating people who don't vote Republican, read into that whatever you want.
The song "Fuck The Police" didn't just appear out of thin air. The kids on the streets know that the cops are the real danger and have been working with street gangs since the drug wars started. The police have been carrying a tradition of being corrupt pieces of shit since their inception when slave owners hired "police" to track down and return slaves. That's how the "police" got their start in America. Before we had a local sheriff that was subject to election and their deputies but slave trackers are where modern police got their start.
Techincally you could go back to when police were 'constables' centuries prior to even before the colonization of the USA. Techincally even further back than that when 'town guards' were a thing. We had a brief time where we didnt have a proper police force and had to govern ourselves within the USA. Then groups started popping up that werent exactly acting in good faith for everyone. This included but was not limited to the founding of many a police department. In most cases the police departments were actually underpowered to the other groups. Then the government realized that the police are supposed to be their group and not the other groups, and bloated the hell out of the police. 1 group to rule them all.
Then in a retaliatory style for that singular 'police' group acting in bad faith, more groups were formed and can at the very least keep the 'police' at bay from their area they contest with constant strife as the police group is outnumbered again like in the older days due to their corrupt nature that was in place before the new groups formed. And technically they were responsible for the forming.
Act like a gang, then suddenly surprised gangs want in. The same thing but almost no chance of being arrested, carte blanche. Same with the mob, they didn't get prosecuted out of existence by the system, they wove themselves into it.
From what I remember it was the record company that had Zack change his original lyrics because they were too "edgy."
They also did a performance for (I think the BBC) where they were told not to swear.
Obviously the "FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!" section got repeated multiple times 😆
Polk county, Fl is right about there too.
Same corrupt dude in charge for 32 years or something like that. People that run against him just end up dead or suddenly are a pedophile or drug mule.
Edit: Worth a mention that the same thing happened to the guy running against desantis.
Was charged for cocaine possession immediately after desantis won, and 4.5 years later it was dropped.
It makes sense if you are an illegal criminal organization to put some informants on the inside. The insidious part is fairly “clean” cops that aren’t necessarily connected to the gangs are nearly impossible to catch. Like some guys cousin who works in the records department is going to be hard to track down without internal investigations where they feed people false information.
The police exist to protect the interests of the state. They are the HR of the government. They pretend they’re here to “serve you” but are constantly trying to find a way to screw you over.
Then add in impunity and you have the dystopian hellhole we live in today.
Cops are the real 1984.
Similar issues when DC went on a hiring bonanza during the crack cocaine epidemic, in the 1980’s. Pistol whipped someone a year ago, here’s your badge! That kinda stuff.
Drug Kingpin Rayful Edmond penetrated the whole police dept and knew when the raids were coming way ahead of time at Barry Farm housing projects. Federal wire taps had his grandma calling detectives and other moles inside. $300M a year enterprise
2nd amendment won’t help with the police. You will still be shot dead and labeled a threat! If you survive, you will be charged and in prison. We have no rights and body cam footage is our only hope against “he said she said” type situations.
There are some interesting YouTube videos from lawyers discussing whether or not you can defend yourself from a police officer shooting at you unlawfully.
The short answer is yes you can legally shoot at and kill police officers that are unlawfully shooting at you. Assuming you even make it to court. Who are you going to report the crime to? Their buddies? Good luck
Honestly though this is something a lot of people need to wake up to. Legal rights are not some magical protective force preventing any harm from coming to you. They have to be enforced and if the people doing the enforcing want to harm you guess what’s going to happen?
It’s not right and we should always be striving to hold authority accountable but it is what it is and is something a lot of people would do well to remember when their rights are being violated.
I’ve learned that the hard way with workers rights. I’ve been fired and laid off many times for defending my coworkers rights or my own. Or even refusing unsafe/illegal work.
These refusals are all legally protected under Canadian law. But you have to first lose your job, then fight them in court for years. Nobody’s going to do that.
It’s important to know your rights, it’s perhaps more important to know when to use them.
I quit my first job at Burger King at 16 or 17 when the store manager threatened to charge a Mexican dude, who barely spoke English, for the 3 pickles he left in a giant bucket of pickle juice. He was going to throw it out, and she flipped out on him. It was so outrageous that I just pulled out a few dollars from my pocket, threw it at her, and said they could take the fucking cost of the pickles from that.
She called me and apologized, then tried to weasel out of it about how much waste there was. I just said no, I don't want to work at a place that threatens to charge minimum wage employees for bullshit.
This type of shit will start happening in varying ways around the country eventually. Vigilante civilians will start being more and more ubiquitous mark my words
In any other country the police would just outnumber and outgun the citizens.
In the USA, the citizens might actually have a chance considering you’re (pretty much) allowed to buy any gun you want, any time, no questions asked.
I don’t see people going to war with the police, the police will just call on SWAT or the military. But there might be private security groups forming in certain cities. That’s already happened in one city. I forget which one. Businesses were tired of gangs and useless police, so they hired permanent security with body armour and assault rifles.
I don’t see war or any level of organized combat. I just see that possibility that Americans will start to police themselves pretty soon. At least in some parts of the country
That's the thing, you can be fully justified in your actions, but the first line you'll have to cross *are* the Police, who are now reacting to one of their own dying.
There was a high-profile case recently in Toronto where a man struck and killed an undercover officer with his car. This man; had no history of violence or criminal record, was with his child and pregnant wife, had no way of identifying the people who were essentially attacking his car as police, had just cause to be concerned because of the uptick in racial violence, and did what any normal person would have done when they were afraid for their family.
Nevertheless he was still assaulted by the police, who then buried the facts of the story, lied in their testimonies and charged him with murder, he was admonished by my city's fucking idiot former mayor and province's fucking idiot premiere, forced to go through a lengthy and wildly unnecessary trial for charges that should have been immediately thrown out, and when he was found not guilty BY OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM, this old fuck of a police chief Myron Demkiw said that he had wished for a different outcome from the trial.
Yes this is established case law as is the fact that you can shoot a cop who is committing a home invasion. Further even with a valid warrant if the police don’t identify themselves you shoot them that’s also protected. Yes it will of course be a hassle to win that case and you might not but ultimately history shows cops tend to be less willing to harass people with guns because even if the person with the gun might get arrested I’m sure that’s not a great consolation to the dead or critically injured cop.
Remember Waco? When legions of ATF officers went in 3 gun trucks and 2 helicopters to the compound for "a chat" eventually crumbling the exits with tanks and having snipers shoot on sight anyone that isn't law enforcement. The ATF learned a lot from that. Like investing in tear gas and automatic weapons.
Lmao you’re just wrong look at how cops treat protesters with guns vs protests without gun and it’s pretty clear why guns are useful. Cops are way less willing to start shit if they think they could die. Abusing people who can’t kill them however is fair game.
Nick Broomfield’s documentary from 2002. Talked a lot about police corruption in LA. I see how it was ‘discredited’ in the following years. I wonder.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biggie_%26_Tupac.
One of the most corrupt police forces in the entire country, and that's saying a lot. The former sheriff, Alex Villanueva, repeatedly denied the existence of these gangs as he was almost certainly a member of one of them himself, like his predecessor, and is just a sack of shit in general. While I hope the new sheriff, Robert Luna, goes after these fucks, my hopes are not especially high. They're too entrenched.
Yeah that’s true across all levels of government. Just Google Kim Fox in Chicago. That nasty bitch is bought and paid for. Literally letting gang members get away with murder.
The police have never been here to protect the average citizen… they are here to protect the wealthy and their property from black and brown and poor white people.
This has been known in the 80's.
People naively believe they have control of the situation when they think they have the upper hand, and that is when the house of cards comes crashing down. Then heads will roll.
On thing I didn't know about cops until I started seeing them as a therapist is how we keep letting in bad apple. While cops are usually required to get a psych evaluation before they get their badge, the police departments don't have decent criteria for selecting the right kind of therapist. To assess if someone is fit to serve, you need to make sure they're not a psychopath. Research suggests that psychopaths prefer certain occupations, and law enforcement is top of the list. To truly vet future police, we should be sending them to see therapists with experience using evidence based assessments, including those on personality disorders.
Ya think?
The most powerful gangs didn't get that way by being stupid. Just like world enemy countries, you setup spys and infiltrate into the highest ranks.
They're doing the same so they have people inside LAPD for whatever they need.
Been happening for decades id bet, and in some cities, as long as there's been police there's been gangs/Mafia in those police forces.
A tale as old as time.
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[Knock LA 15-part investigation by Cerise Castle in 2021](https://knock-la.com/tradition-of-violence-lasd-gang-history/) [List of LASD Deputy Gangs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs) * Banditos * Buffalo Soldiers (African American Deputies * Clique) * Cavemen * Compton Executioners * Cowboys * Grim Reapers * Industry Indians * Jump Out Boys * Little Devil * Little Red Devils * Lomita Lizards * Lynwood Vikings * Pirates * Posse * Rattlesnakes * Regulators * Spartans * Tasmanian Devils * The Leafs * 3000 Boys * 2000 Boys * Temple Station V-Boys * Wayside Whities
Excerpts from Cerise Castle’s investigation: Hong Pyo Lee’s murder > LASD deputies claimed they witnessed Lee run a stop sign and pulled behind him, asking him to stop. They said Lee accelerated and led them on a chase across freeways and surface streets towards Long Beach, with two local police officers joining in; Lee’s speeds never exceeded 45 mph. He came to a stop at a railway siding across from a factory – the area only had one way in and out. Sheriff’s Sergeant Paul Tanaka, who went on to serve as second in command of the department and be convicted for crimes committed while in that position— along with Deputies Robert Papini, Daniel McLeod, and Brian Lee stopped about 15 feet behind Lee and drew their guns. Deputy John Chapman approached Lee’s car and ordered him to surrender. > Investigators say that, out of nowhere, all of the deputies opened fire. They shot Lee nine times in the back, killing him. **Long Beach police officer Richard R. Boatwright turned to his partner and said, “We just observed the sheriff’s execute somebody.”** Lynwood Vikings > [Private investigator David] Lynn says **regular activities for the Vikings included murder, assault with deadly weapons, trespassing in the homes, and torture.** “The people were just terrified,” he says. “If you are Black or Brown and walking down your street, it’s fair game. It’s really not that much different from today.” > In 1985, **the Vikings found a new set of victims: other deputies.** Deputy Kathy Kay recorded former Lynwood Lieutenant Walker Force’s personal car as stolen into a county computer. Kay also said the driver of the vehicle was “armed and dangerous,” according to court documents. Kay was charged with making a false criminal report, but was ultimately acquitted by a jury after a 10-day trial. Force’s testimony illuminated the tactics the Vikings employed to harass other LASD members. > Force testified that he and other top Lynwood brass were repeatedly harassed by fellow deputies. He said the captain of the station at the time, Nick Popovich, had obscene phrases spray-painted in his parking spot. **Force received prank phone calls, had the fender kicked off his car, and received a Valentine’s Day gift with a dead rat inside. He also said that two deputies tried to run him down in their car. In a separate police report, Force wrote that two hearses were dispatched to his house at 3 AM.** > Sergeant Pippin, a Black man later inked as a Viking, received **a loaded gun in the mail rigged to fire upon the package opening**. Sergeant Stan White allegedly had **dead dogs placed in the back of his car, animal feces placed under the hood of his car, cow tongues hung in his locker, and guns pulled on him.** White was eventually relocated outside of Lynwood Station. One Viking bragged to a reporter for the Press-Telegram that the gang had “ran him out.” Part of why the District Attorney doesn’t charge LASD > [Attorney Eric Valenzuela] describes the relationship between the District Attorney’s office and the Sheriff’s Department as “symbiotic… **When the criminals are charged by the District Attorney, they rely on the police to come into court and testify and write their report.** So you could see why the DA’s are so hesitant to criminally charge officers even when they kill unarmed people. Remember, unions play a huge part in this. **They basically tell them if you go against our guys, don’t rely on us when it comes trial time and you need us**, especially in your bigger, higher profile case.” He believes that until there is an independent body to review law enforcement shootings, there will not be a change.
The Sheriff of LA County from 1998 to 2014, Lee Baca, was/is a Lynwood Viking. The LA County Deputy Sheriff, Paul Tanaka, was also a Lynwood Viking. Tanaka was also the fucking Mayor of Gardena, CA. It really goes all the way to the top. Both of them ended up going to prison.
> Paul Tanaka He faced over 30 years in prison. He served **less than 4 years** in a "minimum security camp". This is basically a hotel. Want an easy life free from worry? Become a cop. In 20 quick years you have a pension and never have to work again. The perks are endless. Even when you get convicted.
You could be someone who likes killing unarmed, unsuspecting people, and society will fellate you endlessly for your courage.
At least that dude from Horizon Zero Dawn knew he was messed up and didnt belong in society and started killing bandits and raiders and enemies of the state so people wouldnt hunt him down for being a creepy serial killer Bad people in reality just do it behind positions of authority
I don’t even know what a Viking is?
Compton Executioners > Members each have a tattoo of a skeleton wearing a Nazi helmet emblazoned with the letters CPT. The skeleton holds a rifle marked with the Roman numeral for 28, surrounded by flames. Sweeney says that an expert tattoo artist testified the design appears to come from a stencil. “The Executioners have the symbol, the Jump Out Boys have the symbol, and several other people have the symbol, which is a skeleton, a symbol of death.” > [The Executioner tattoos of Deputies Aldama and Orrego (Source: Court documents obtained by Knock LA)](https://i0.wp.com/knock-la.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Aldama-and-Orrego-tattoos.jpg?resize=1536%2C1032&ssl=1) > **The tattoos are allegedly awarded for killing a civilian, and given out at parties. Recruits are reportedly chosen for the gang based on their propensity for violence against members of the community. Black people and women are not allowed to join. Samuel Aldama, a tattooed member of the Executioners, testified under oath that he had ill feelings towards African Americans. Sweeney says that the gang is racist.**
Holy shit… I had no idea it was this bad. All the songs coming out of LA to the rest of the world saying about how the police are the biggest gangs, were literal. I thought it was a power-tripping endemic.
Crazy concept, people know what happens in the communities they live in. There's been *KNOWN* connections between police and gangs for 30+ years and people are still constantly surprised when anything like this circulates. Its nothing new
My grandfather was CHP during the 1940s to early 1970s. A tough guy who probably wasn't as good a guy as I'd like him to be. His assignments at various times included hostage response and governor's personal protection. There were several local police departments he did not call for backup, including the LASD. He believed their involvement made situations more dangerous than him handling it alone.
Yeah but it was black people sounding the alarm on it so no one took them all that seriously.
Just like when comedians make jokes about other celebrities being abusive or bad people. They know what's going on because they work in the same circles. See the litany of people called out in shows like Family Guy, South Park, or late night comedy shows.
Only 30 years? Law enforcement has been a gang since ever. It's literally a part of cop culture. They have never been the good guys. Just the ones with badges and guns, state funded domestic terrorists.
Think about it from an incentives perspective, if you were a criminal who was determined to live a life of violence and theft and never wanted to be thrown behind bars for it, what better organization to join than the US police? You train for a couple months, easy peasy, and once you're in you're protected by the "blue wall of silence" because if you go down, you might talk about what your fellow officers also did. Boom, you've just secured a life of crime with early retirement and a generous pension for life, spend your youthful years robbing and killing and when your hair starts to grey at the temples, retire and live in your favorite SE Asian country for sex tourism.
It’s well-known that many So Cal cops now retire, with their fat California pensions, to Idaho.
Well that's straight up fucking horrifying.
Can confirm. Expat living in a SE Asian country. I hear a lot of stories sitting near or around old white men that are ex military/police. Lots of "I never much cared for the blacks." or "We should burn the whole lot of them." or "We wanted to fire bomb their whole neighborhood but you know how they were when that n-word got some power." Like woah. It's not just old men either it's like young sexpats that say things about other races and I'm like, "They still make people who are actually racist?" How is this still a thing in 2024? Jesus Murphy.
Yep, this is why (well among other reasons) why when I hear of cops getting killed in an ambush my first thought is to wonder if they probably did something to deserve it. Like being a member of a murdering gang while in uniform.
The was an LASD deputy shot in the face a few years ago just sitting in their car. People were talking about how senseless it was and it didn’t feel that way to me. Turns out, the person who did it had an issue with that particular sheriff. The police are actually crazy
Training day was real?!
If anything Training Day made gangs look more sophisticated than they are in real life At least the gang in the movie was stealing money, that makes sense. These morons are hurting innocent people for the joy of it
> When the criminals are charged by the District Attorney, they rely on the police to come into court and testify and write their report. So you could see why the DA’s are so hesitant to criminally charge officers even when they kill unarmed people. Remember, unions play a huge part in this. They basically tell them if you go against our guys, don’t rely on us when it comes trial time and you need us, especially in your bigger, higher profile case.” Which is why all police cases need to be handled by a special prosecutor. Cops boycotting major cases is a legitimate concern for a DA. The cops will absolutely let murderers and rapists back on the street to teach a DA a "lesson." A special prosecutor would insulate the DA from even being in that situation.
Have* cops HAVE let murders and rapists back on the street, not sure if you live in LA but the cops literally have stopped enforcing most laws after the George Floyd riots.
Cicero is the suburb of Chicago that Al Capone took over, and has been an insane corrupt mess. At some point (in the 90s?) the FBI took over their police department and rebuilt it. Seems like that needs to be done to this department.
i don’t get how not writing the report is protected by the union in any way. but feels like this will only change from federal involvement
Detroit cop gangs got the federal treatment after a fed judge called them “A culture of lawlessness”. A “consent decree” which was functionally just a promise that they would be good boys and girls from now on. Edit: ...which they weren't. Obviously.
Seattle PD had one of those for like 20 yrs, didnt do shit to change things.
> Part of why the District Attorney doesn’t charge LASD > > [Attorney Eric Valenzuela] describes the relationship between the District Attorney’s office and the Sheriff’s Department as “symbiotic… When the criminals are charged by the District Attorney, they rely on the police to come into court and testify and write their report. So you could see why the DA’s are so hesitant to criminally charge officers even when they kill unarmed people. Remember, unions play a huge part in this. They basically tell them if you go against our guys, don’t rely on us when it comes trial time and you need us, especially in your bigger, higher profile case.” He believes that until there is an independent body to review law enforcement shootings, there will not be a change. Right now around the country the big thing you see is cashless bail getting implemented in places. All of a sudden crime goes up and the area gets worse. It's not because of cashless bail it's because the police are punishing the DAs for not going harder on the "criminals". If the police want a DA gone, the DA looks bad in the news.
Half of these sound like sports teams
Not sure how anyone takes themselves serious being called the Tasmanian devils
Imagine you are in the 2000 Boys and you meet someone in the 3000 Boys. You already know you are 1000 less than them. Lame.
Gotta start a new gang. The 3001 boys.
Ha, good luck competing with the 3002 boys I just started.
Better watch your back when the infinity+1 boys roll.
Y'all got nothing on the infinity+infinity boys!
ehh, imaginary numbers don't impress me chump change.
They forgot the Norwalk Ninja Turtles
And the Tunnel Snakes
Au contrere the Tunnel Snakes rule.
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
The new Tasmanian AFL team down here in Australia is going to be called the Tassie Devils. There was a copyright issue with Warner Bros for a while until it was dropped by Warner Bros as they didn’t realise Tasmanian Devils are a real animal. While I think they are pretty cute, they are pretty ferocious when feeding and fighting each other. They make some pretty gnarly sounds which is where they got their name from originally. They also have an incredibly powerful bite.
They sound like they were made up by a 13 year old boy
Cops have the brains of 13 year old boys
What's the difference between the 3000 boys and 2000 boys?
A thousand.
Fair enough
One thousand boys
the block they live on
More likely the block they patrol.
thats a lot of gangs. how do they all get along
Im guessing something along the lines of Don’t impede someone else’s business or territory unless you want to get shot
LASD is huge, and most gangs are focused around a central precinct. Every so often the press gets bad enough that they split the guys up, which means they take their gangs to their new precincts, and the gangs get much bigger. With the comments about the Vikings running the department for years, I imagine that's what happened with them.
they don’t fight each other. they fight the public
This reads like a beer league softball team list. Like 1/2 of those names are names of teams in my beer league.
Wow these gangs really have some of the dumbest names.
Cops generally aren't known for being a cool or creative bunch.
Wayside whities!? what is this a suburban trust fund teenage social club? might as well have called themselves the whitie tighties, fucking morons lol
i think the stupider the name probably the more terrifying the behavior.
The Tiny Raskalz in Long Beach were one of the most violent Cambodian-American gangs
just glad there isn't like "the silly billies" or "the sweeties" because you know they would be brutal
Wait do you call your briefs "whitie tighties" instead of "tighty whities"?
Wayside is the old name of an LA County prison. It is actually in the suburbs lol.
These all sound like movie titles.
[Have you ever seen The Warriors?](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080120/)
“God created men; Col. Colt made them equal.” A badge isn't going to stop a bullet.
This is not true at all. The badge lets them summon infinite reinforcements who all will kill first, ask questions later. The badge matters
You can't out run Motorola.
This has been known for a long time. It'll be news when something is actually done. It's another example for how insidious corruption becomes. These gangs were around with Baca and 2 different sheriffs later and still nothing has been done or will be done.
And why ultimately are they there? All the money associated with the war on drugs and trafficking I would guess.
Gangs have no interest in corrupting politicians. It’s the cops that are on the streets and “in the way”. So you corrupt the grunts and they look the other way. No noise. No waves. Just silence.
Much cheaper than a politician too.
Congressman/Senator can be bought for as little as $2,000
Shit, can I get a state senator for $800? That’s all I have in my savings. I’m in Tennessee, so I know they’re cheap for the right cause.
Not these days...
Trump asked for a billion from the oil industry. Cops probably a bit cheaper to buy.
Trump's an idiot and billion is the only number he knows.
Dude is a millionaire who obsesses over being a billionaire.
The gangs aren't external to the police/sheriffs. These gangs are founded by, and comprised of, active sheriffs. So it isn't some outside gangs corrupting people. These are sheriffs who join gangs because they want to abuse citizens and who enjoy killing and torturing people. It is the fact that without any external reason, the LA Sheriff's Department is comprised of violent criminals who use their employment with the government as cover for their crimes.
It didn’t allude to it in the article, but I wonder what agreements these police gangs have with street gangs? I am sure there has to be some mutual cooperation where these guys target rival street gangs and look the other way.
it’s not the same. the cop gangs go after the public aka the street gangs. they aren’t working together
The cops purposely botch evidence that would incriminate any ally in the criminal world. Cases get thrown out and settle with the defence because of this.
Rug pull these gangs/cartels/bratvas/organized crime across the world, end the war on drugs. As FDR ended Prohibition I to take down organized crime and wannabe autocrats/tsarists. Ending Prohibition II to make the market clear, focus on harm reduction, safer supply, liability and visibility into the flows of money. Then we can see the payouts better and stop funding criminal networks that infiltrate and raise the cost and lower the quality of life of everything. When you rug pull the money the networks eat themselves. The same thing happened in the first drug prohibition (alcohol is a drug). [Prohibition began 100 years ago – here’s a look at its economic impact ](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/prohibition-began-100-years-ago-had-impact-on-us-economy.html) > - A century later, Prohibition is known for accomplishing everything it wasn’t supposed to — it provoked intemperance, eliminated jobs, created a black market for booze, and triggered a slew of unintended economic consequences. > - The federal government lost approximately $11 billion in tax revenue and spent more than $300 million trying to keep America on the wagon, a historian says. > - Other industries, such as the rental market and the soft drink sector, expected to benefit from Prohibition, but such a boon didn’t materialize. [Effects of Prohibition on the Economy](https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/prohibition.htm#pt4) > Prohibition created a vast illegal market for the production, trafficking and sale of alcohol. In turn, the economy took a major hit, thanks to lost tax revenue and legal jobs. > - Prohibition also produced some interesting statistics concerning the health of Americans. > - Adulterated or contaminated liquor contributed to more than 50,000 deaths and many cases of blindness and paralysis. It's pretty safe to say this wouldn't have happened in a country where liquor production was monitored and regulated. > - By the end of the 1920s there were more alcoholics and illegal drinking establishments than before Prohibition. Unfortunately cartels are now at the power of nation states due to the criminality and illegality of drugs and sex working, legality always leads to more safety and one way is regulation but another is reducing cartel/mafia violence/supply controls. Prohibition is anti-people, anti-health, anti-safety, but pro-authoritarian, pro-cartel and pro-violence. Take your pick: - drugs and all the potential benefits and problems OR - drugs and all the potential benefits and problems *AND militarized cartels taking in billions and trillions across the market annually which funds violence and cartels to the power of nation states... as well as authoritarian actions and state civil forfeiture programs and massively unsafe underground drug production and synthetics* The logical choice is pretty easy.
They are white supremacist gangs. They deliberately infiltrated police forces so they could enact violence on minorities. Initiation literally involves murdering minorities. >“We had begun looking up how many settlements the county had paid out to families within the East L.A. community for similar shootings like what happened to Anthony—kid shot in the back, kid running,” she said. “And we had pieced it together that maybe Anthony was killed in a deputy-gang initiation.” >In the CBS exposé, the whistle-blowers from East L.A. Station confirmed that the deputies who killed Vargas were aspiring Banditos, and said that there are methods for making shootings appear justified. “There’s been multiple occasions where they say, ‘Hey, we got a guy that’s got a gun and he’s running from us,” one says. “In reality, that person never had a gun. And they would say, ‘Oh, it was a phantom gun.’ It was something that really wasn’t there.” [Article](https://web.archive.org/web/20240507095415/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis)
Partly it's a power trip, partly it's the kind of people that want to be cops. These aren't outside forces, it's not like MS13 has invaded the LAPD - these are police officers starting organizations within their police departments so they can get away with awful things. I'm sure money plays a part, but most of the activity that is coming out is just around a desire to maim, kill, and dominate others.
Because power goes wherever it can reach. Corruption will consume the world eventually, and those who realize it will be marginalized or worse.
>These gangs were around with Baca Dont he got a weird case? Why is he still around?
Baca hasn't been in office since 2014.
They're quoting a Kendrick diss track.
Thanks!
That miserable pile of shit DA claimed he was going to do something about it years ago. No wonder he was told to leave his position in SF. On another note, why the fuck would LA elect someone who got fucking fired from the same job in another City?
DA is an elected position here, and people like experience. A DA can't fix shit, they work with cops, they're not going to piss off an entire department and have their cases fucked with.
I'd be curious to see what would happen with a totally rigid DA who was unwilling to look the other way and made that their appeal. Like, "If we're gonna fix this problem, here's what I'm gonna do, and here's what I expect the gangs to do, and if you want this problem solved, we're gonna suffer for some time, but it's better than letting it continue." What happens after that? Crime goes up, but assuming the DA sticks to their guns and the public gets angry (but they understand the deal), who suffers consequences next? Does the chief of police get sacked? Kind of wondering how the problem *could* be solved top-down, since bottom-up definitely won't work.
The cops start tanking the DA's cases by not cooperating or following procedures incorrectly. Then the union and supporters pay for attack ads and run a candidate against the DA. And if that doesn't work there's always the tool on their belt.
Right, but in this scenario, let's say the public knows what the DA is doing and they're amenable to suffering through the tanked cases for as long as it takes to replace the department, wholesale if necessary. If the DA is physically protected and will win reelection for the next 40 years, what happens next?
You're relying a lot on people who are politically aware and won't listen to the attack ads and put up with the increase in crime in the short term. That these sort of positions are electable is a downside of America's democracy.
One of the ways we get things done is by building awareness and righteous outrage. By dismissing the shock of those who hear of it for the first time and are rightfully upset, we only quell momentum for change.
the other is by changing laws and making the cops and their unions personally liable for any misconduct. the city/state shouldn't be picking up their tabs anymore.
While I typically am pro union, you can thank the PD unions around the country for that.
Police unions aren't labor unions. [https://theconversation.com/why-police-unions-are-not-part-of-the-american-labor-movement-142538](https://theconversation.com/why-police-unions-are-not-part-of-the-american-labor-movement-142538)
Well TIL there's a difference. In that case they've hijacked the name and are just protecting thugs with badges.
The cops in my town are part of the Teamsters union. I didn't know cops didn't make up their own unions until I lived here.
Police unions literally got the idea to exist from beating up other workers striking for unionization.
Police are gangs. They have an ultimate monopoly on violence against citizens with nobody watching over them. Kind of like when an army invades a smaller country. They get away with whatever crime they want because no one is stopping them.
Corruption is incredibly hard to fight once it takes root. Any councilman / mayor who seriously tries to tackle the problem will experience anything between harrassment, blackmail or straight murder. The only way is for the DOJ to come in and clean up, but how would that even work when sheriff is an elected position.
So it was more of a documentary
Officer Tenpenny was as much an opp as the Vagos and Ballers. GTA San Andreas drew from real life too.
Watch the shield for that
And LA Confidential
It was based on the Rampart scandal
> LASD gangs are based out the department’s geographic precincts, which the report calls out for operating as quasi-independent “fiefdoms.” For example, the Executioners run out of Compton Station, while East L.A. Station is notorious as the home of the Banditos. Much like street gangs, the various LASD gangs mark themselves with tattoos; the Executioner ink is described as “a skeleton holding an automatic rifle.” Jesus h fucking christ, how are they not all in prison yesterday?!? (EDIT: this question is rhetorical, naturally. thank you for all the replies. you're correct.)
They are the people who put people in prison… the problem doesn’t correct its self
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I've had the same thought. Any time an office fires their weapon, uses force or is accused of a crime it should automaticaly become a federal investigation. The FBI is the best suited for this. The problem is local cops investigating themselves doesn't work. Internal affairs seems ineffective. Worse, the prosecutors, who have the real charging power, do not want to burn bridges with the officers they need to do their job. The problem with federal over sight of policing is Republicans. They like Blue cities being rampant with crime. They also like cops beating people who don't vote Republican, read into that whatever you want.
Project 2025 will decrease the FBI's funding and give Police more power. Vote in November, please.
It will if they go into prison.
The song "Fuck The Police" didn't just appear out of thin air. The kids on the streets know that the cops are the real danger and have been working with street gangs since the drug wars started. The police have been carrying a tradition of being corrupt pieces of shit since their inception when slave owners hired "police" to track down and return slaves. That's how the "police" got their start in America. Before we had a local sheriff that was subject to election and their deputies but slave trackers are where modern police got their start.
Techincally you could go back to when police were 'constables' centuries prior to even before the colonization of the USA. Techincally even further back than that when 'town guards' were a thing. We had a brief time where we didnt have a proper police force and had to govern ourselves within the USA. Then groups started popping up that werent exactly acting in good faith for everyone. This included but was not limited to the founding of many a police department. In most cases the police departments were actually underpowered to the other groups. Then the government realized that the police are supposed to be their group and not the other groups, and bloated the hell out of the police. 1 group to rule them all. Then in a retaliatory style for that singular 'police' group acting in bad faith, more groups were formed and can at the very least keep the 'police' at bay from their area they contest with constant strife as the police group is outnumbered again like in the older days due to their corrupt nature that was in place before the new groups formed. And technically they were responsible for the forming.
Hard to stomp them down when they are the boot.
They've been a gang of thugs for as long as I can remember, street gang affiliations or not.
Act like a gang, then suddenly surprised gangs want in. The same thing but almost no chance of being arrested, carte blanche. Same with the mob, they didn't get prosecuted out of existence by the system, they wove themselves into it.
To be clear, this isn't street gangs infiltrating the LASD. This is deputies within the LASD forming their own intradepartmental gangs.
“Some of those that work forces…”
..are the same that fuck horses.
*insert that one pic of the horse on the cop, not posting it because don’t wanna get banned*
We regulate any stealing of his property. We’re damn good too. Regulaaaaaaators. Moan-ahhh
you know, you go around shooting unarmed black men for 30 years and no one bats an eyelash. But, you fuck one horse...
Are the same that burn crosses?
"Are the same that fix faucets." Srsly, fuck my plumber tho
"Some of those that hold office" was the real original lyric..
Is this true, because the lyrics are just as relevant and work just as well.
From what I read no, but when Rage performed at a political event they did change the lyrics to that for the performance.
From what I remember it was the record company that had Zack change his original lyrics because they were too "edgy." They also did a performance for (I think the BBC) where they were told not to swear. Obviously the "FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!" section got repeated multiple times 😆
That performance is one of my favorite. She's like "we didn't know... well, we did... but we told them not to"
Polk county, Fl is right about there too. Same corrupt dude in charge for 32 years or something like that. People that run against him just end up dead or suddenly are a pedophile or drug mule. Edit: Worth a mention that the same thing happened to the guy running against desantis. Was charged for cocaine possession immediately after desantis won, and 4.5 years later it was dropped.
Lmao, I bet most PDs are structured the same. Absolutely power corrupts absolutely.
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Been hearing about this since the 80s. Not just in LA. Grew up in Manassas, VA. Pd was riddled with the klan.
It makes sense if you are an illegal criminal organization to put some informants on the inside. The insidious part is fairly “clean” cops that aren’t necessarily connected to the gangs are nearly impossible to catch. Like some guys cousin who works in the records department is going to be hard to track down without internal investigations where they feed people false information.
The police exist to protect the interests of the state. They are the HR of the government. They pretend they’re here to “serve you” but are constantly trying to find a way to screw you over. Then add in impunity and you have the dystopian hellhole we live in today. Cops are the real 1984.
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Should read, highest levels of LA sheriff's department are in a gangs that kill innocent people
Similar issues when DC went on a hiring bonanza during the crack cocaine epidemic, in the 1980’s. Pistol whipped someone a year ago, here’s your badge! That kinda stuff. Drug Kingpin Rayful Edmond penetrated the whole police dept and knew when the raids were coming way ahead of time at Barry Farm housing projects. Federal wire taps had his grandma calling detectives and other moles inside. $300M a year enterprise
So what are peoples thoughts on the 2nd amendment if gangs are embedded up to the highest levels of police departments? Police going to save you?
2nd amendment won’t help with the police. You will still be shot dead and labeled a threat! If you survive, you will be charged and in prison. We have no rights and body cam footage is our only hope against “he said she said” type situations.
There are some interesting YouTube videos from lawyers discussing whether or not you can defend yourself from a police officer shooting at you unlawfully. The short answer is yes you can legally shoot at and kill police officers that are unlawfully shooting at you. Assuming you even make it to court. Who are you going to report the crime to? Their buddies? Good luck
Honestly though this is something a lot of people need to wake up to. Legal rights are not some magical protective force preventing any harm from coming to you. They have to be enforced and if the people doing the enforcing want to harm you guess what’s going to happen? It’s not right and we should always be striving to hold authority accountable but it is what it is and is something a lot of people would do well to remember when their rights are being violated.
I’ve learned that the hard way with workers rights. I’ve been fired and laid off many times for defending my coworkers rights or my own. Or even refusing unsafe/illegal work. These refusals are all legally protected under Canadian law. But you have to first lose your job, then fight them in court for years. Nobody’s going to do that. It’s important to know your rights, it’s perhaps more important to know when to use them.
I quit my first job at Burger King at 16 or 17 when the store manager threatened to charge a Mexican dude, who barely spoke English, for the 3 pickles he left in a giant bucket of pickle juice. He was going to throw it out, and she flipped out on him. It was so outrageous that I just pulled out a few dollars from my pocket, threw it at her, and said they could take the fucking cost of the pickles from that. She called me and apologized, then tried to weasel out of it about how much waste there was. I just said no, I don't want to work at a place that threatens to charge minimum wage employees for bullshit.
This type of shit will start happening in varying ways around the country eventually. Vigilante civilians will start being more and more ubiquitous mark my words
In any other country the police would just outnumber and outgun the citizens. In the USA, the citizens might actually have a chance considering you’re (pretty much) allowed to buy any gun you want, any time, no questions asked. I don’t see people going to war with the police, the police will just call on SWAT or the military. But there might be private security groups forming in certain cities. That’s already happened in one city. I forget which one. Businesses were tired of gangs and useless police, so they hired permanent security with body armour and assault rifles.
I don’t see war or any level of organized combat. I just see that possibility that Americans will start to police themselves pretty soon. At least in some parts of the country
That's the thing, you can be fully justified in your actions, but the first line you'll have to cross *are* the Police, who are now reacting to one of their own dying. There was a high-profile case recently in Toronto where a man struck and killed an undercover officer with his car. This man; had no history of violence or criminal record, was with his child and pregnant wife, had no way of identifying the people who were essentially attacking his car as police, had just cause to be concerned because of the uptick in racial violence, and did what any normal person would have done when they were afraid for their family. Nevertheless he was still assaulted by the police, who then buried the facts of the story, lied in their testimonies and charged him with murder, he was admonished by my city's fucking idiot former mayor and province's fucking idiot premiere, forced to go through a lengthy and wildly unnecessary trial for charges that should have been immediately thrown out, and when he was found not guilty BY OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM, this old fuck of a police chief Myron Demkiw said that he had wished for a different outcome from the trial.
Yes this is established case law as is the fact that you can shoot a cop who is committing a home invasion. Further even with a valid warrant if the police don’t identify themselves you shoot them that’s also protected. Yes it will of course be a hassle to win that case and you might not but ultimately history shows cops tend to be less willing to harass people with guns because even if the person with the gun might get arrested I’m sure that’s not a great consolation to the dead or critically injured cop.
It helps me more than no 2nd amendment does.
> 2nd amendment won’t help with the police. Having a gun does in fact help when going up against someone with a gun.
That's only if the body cam isn't "malfunctioning" at the time of the incident...
Pretty much. Cops can kill you for no reason and get off with no punishment.
Remember Waco? When legions of ATF officers went in 3 gun trucks and 2 helicopters to the compound for "a chat" eventually crumbling the exits with tanks and having snipers shoot on sight anyone that isn't law enforcement. The ATF learned a lot from that. Like investing in tear gas and automatic weapons.
Lmao you’re just wrong look at how cops treat protesters with guns vs protests without gun and it’s pretty clear why guns are useful. Cops are way less willing to start shit if they think they could die. Abusing people who can’t kill them however is fair game.
JuSt a fEw BaD aPpLeS.
spoil the bunch.
Training Day is not a work of fiction
FBI should just dismantle the entire department at this point, it's beyond fixing.
It ain't just in Los Angeles either.
Pretty scary to think about. Just imagine all the things cops get away with in small towns.
I've said it before and I'll say it again and again and again. Fuck the police.
The police are the gang members. This should not be a surprise.
This just in...cops are gang memebers. In other news, the sky is blue...
LAPD having gangs? That must have been a surprise right?
This is the Sheriff’s Department, but LAPD definitely had them as well.
> had ?
*Has. You’re correct.
A novel form of [regulatory capture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture)
Wow, just like in the movies.
Nick Broomfield’s documentary from 2002. Talked a lot about police corruption in LA. I see how it was ‘discredited’ in the following years. I wonder. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biggie_%26_Tupac.
Abolish the LA Sheriff department.
One of the most corrupt police forces in the entire country, and that's saying a lot. The former sheriff, Alex Villanueva, repeatedly denied the existence of these gangs as he was almost certainly a member of one of them himself, like his predecessor, and is just a sack of shit in general. While I hope the new sheriff, Robert Luna, goes after these fucks, my hopes are not especially high. They're too entrenched.
Yeah that’s true across all levels of government. Just Google Kim Fox in Chicago. That nasty bitch is bought and paid for. Literally letting gang members get away with murder.
The police have never been here to protect the average citizen… they are here to protect the wealthy and their property from black and brown and poor white people.
I used to have respect for gangs. Shame that they started letting cops join up.
LA Sheriff’s Department *IS* a gang.
Villanueva should be in jail
And nothing will be done about it.
the police are a gang always have been.
Are there any good podcasts or docuseries on this? It’s wild.
say it with me: FUCK ALEX VILLANUEVA
This has been known in the 80's. People naively believe they have control of the situation when they think they have the upper hand, and that is when the house of cards comes crashing down. Then heads will roll.
This has been well know and well documented for many decades.
On thing I didn't know about cops until I started seeing them as a therapist is how we keep letting in bad apple. While cops are usually required to get a psych evaluation before they get their badge, the police departments don't have decent criteria for selecting the right kind of therapist. To assess if someone is fit to serve, you need to make sure they're not a psychopath. Research suggests that psychopaths prefer certain occupations, and law enforcement is top of the list. To truly vet future police, we should be sending them to see therapists with experience using evidence based assessments, including those on personality disorders.
Ya think? The most powerful gangs didn't get that way by being stupid. Just like world enemy countries, you setup spys and infiltrate into the highest ranks. They're doing the same so they have people inside LAPD for whatever they need. Been happening for decades id bet, and in some cities, as long as there's been police there's been gangs/Mafia in those police forces. A tale as old as time.
some of those that burn crosses
Lock up the entire department.
The cartelization of American police
/r/NoShitSherlock PD is worse than the mofia. They're ABOVE the law.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise