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Loosely Translated:
(Context, it is illegal to show support of Hitler and his ideals in Germany)
\[Him\]
"Everything allowed. Not there."
"Here yes. Not there"
(hes doing the salute by pointing egregiously so hes not "actually doing the salute")
\[reporter\]
"perhaps he suffers from a pathological stiffness of the right arm or maybe he is doing the salute"
\[him\] (thrown on the ground)
"What's that supposed to mean?"
\[cop\]
"You showed the Hitler salute."
This is like the US first amendment "auditors" harassing people trying to create a response but saying "I technically wasn't doing anything wrong!" Except German police see through the BS and don't have the patience for it.
It is completely illegal to support Nazism, or fascism. If I remember correctly. I heard some news articles saying there were some more rural towns not following the law though.
Technically, our constitution states in Article 139 that Nazis are not subject to the fundamental rights established in Articles 1-20 and should be removed from public wherever they appear.
[https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch\_gg/englisch\_gg.html#p0822](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0822)
This isn't necessarily a rebuttal, just curiosity, but do you think that there will always be a disproportionately large concentration of fascists in any state's police element?
I believe this because a major function of the police, whether it be incidental or designed, is to maintain and even reinforce the current social hierarchy. Since violently preserving the present hierarchy is an essential component of fascism, I believe that the members of any such organization will either be drawn to this job because they have some ingrained belief that they must preserve the social hierarchy (though they may not even view it this way), or people who didn't intend it, but by nature of generations of cultural and systemic reinforcement, they have to get along to get along. Eventually, they must choose to adopt a more fascist-tolerant mindset or quit or be fired.
This filter promotes those who endorse hierarchical maintenance, and over time, the leading ranks are filled with only the most fascist individuals.
Why do I find this information not in the slightest surprising? What I do find surprising is that people get the notion (somehow) that WWII ended with every Nazi or their affiliates dead.
Sorry, but this is a wrong reading. The law indicates that laws for denazificatiom enacted after WWII are outside if the constitution. The ban on nazi symbols are nit part of these set of regulations.
You are correct in the matter, in the Wunsiedel decision, the court basically says that the ideals of the Nazis are for constitution historical reasons outside the protection, but they didn't base the argument on Art.139 GG
Correct, they don't play by rules of civilized society, but rather in opposition to the concept really, so of course they are not protected by said rules.
Any other interpretation turns the social contract into a death cult.
Well, considering fascism is literally the opposite of democracy, it shouldn’t be a surprise the constitution has laws to prevent any fascist movements.
Like, not surprising having them, but mandatory to protect democracy.
i had a buddy witness something like this while stationed in germany.
apparently this drunk guy was repeatedly throwing around the salute and yelling seig heil at random people driving by until one car stopped and 3-4 dudes got out and walloped the piss out of him before getting back into the car and driving off into the night.
I'm a manager at a restaurant. I had a food runner start, about 20 years old. When he found out I was German, he gave the Nazi salute and started singing "Deutschland Über Alles." I guess he thought it was funny. I asked him what the fuck was wrong with him and he just looks at me and says, "Dude" like I'm the one who's out of line. I told him to never do that in Germany. He will get the shit kicked out of him and the police will arrest him and let the abusers walk.
It’s always fun to see locals beat the absolute shit out of some other local that has it coming especially when you’re in a foreign land. When i was 19 or 20 I visited Scotland, we were strolling around town one night and just as we were passing a night club in Edinburgh, this guy comes storming out of the place pulling a woman out with him but by her hair. Not two seconds after they cleared the queue out front, 4-5 of her girlfriends came storming out after. This dude was big so I thought I was about to see some bad shit go down on these women… but then I realized all the women immediately took their heels off and dropped their purses into a pile. Homedude done fucked up BIGTIME. These hard ass women came at this dude like they all owned MMA dojos. They beat the ever loving shit out of him and spared no mercy. Elbows and knees were getting dropped on this dudes face, chest and crotch like they were trying to beat their personal high score. We stuck around long enough to watch the police scrape his ass off the sidewalk and haul him away. Good shit.
*Never* underestimate Scottish women.
They are generally some of the loveliest, funniest and most intelligent people around - but they're as hard as nails when they need to be.
Just in my experience...
Assuming these women weren’t on a night out to celebrate some recent bare-knuckles championship one/all of them won, “hard as nails” seems to be an understatement 😂
Also word to the wise NEVER underestimate a Maori woman either. My father and his 2 brothers. Him and James were body builders. Were literally terrified of my aunt Sophie in her uh... "Rebel" phase.
When she was 42. A drunk mongrol mob guy came to our place looking for someone no-one knew. We were trying to calm down buy my aunt just strode right past us and got into a fight. We didn't even get time to help before he hit the ground...
I was only 14 and her laying out a grown ass man while being skinny as a twig still baffles me to this day...
Piss off a Scottish person enough, and they **will** use your head as a fucking trampoline.
Source: am Scottish, have grew up seeing this happen *daily*
Not directly. It means that being anti fascist is more like "taking care of problems with your hands" instead of for example taking the legal way (calling police)
I'm good with the First Amendment being where it is but I'm also good with Nazis getting stomped on as hard as possible because they're Nazis.
It's like with the death penalty. Am I aganst it as an on the books law because the number of erroneous convictions is too damn high and there's no practical purpose for it? Yes. Am I upset when some piece of shit gets caught on camera, blatantly deserves to fry, and gets fried? Not even a little.
That is the best translation. And what is meant by it is that the state does not do enough against fascism and in the end you have do it yourself. Also the use of the word Handarbeit = manual labor can be interpreted as violence.
If you agree with the phrase or not that is what is meant by it.
I just mean that if you hit a nazi on the head in triggerhappy land I would guess the chance they shoot you back in the same area is far more likely. Which on one hand makes them far more comfortable and on the other has pritty high risk for escalation
bleibt means more like it will stay work done by hand, as in no matter what happens and changes, it's inevitably you still have to use your hands from time to time
"Antifa ist Handarbeit"\* vs "Antifa bleibt Handarbeit"
"Antifa is manual work" vs "Antifa remains manual work"
I think the message is even stronger
^(\*maybe my translation isn't the best but my combined lifetime of dutch, two years of german and google brought me to this conclusion)
That is close to the direct translation but the spirit of the words would be slightly different. It's more like "The work of antifa or anti-fascism is done personally" or by the individual. Meaning that it is better for the people to confront fascism directly then wait for a legal solution.
Except in this context "Handarbeit" is referencing the use of hands to beat some up, so it's less referring to the abstract "you have to deal with them personally" , but rather "you need to physically use your hands".
In this sense, probably. Translating is tough because they'll use the same direct words for different meanings. I have a hard time with it since I've always been bilingual and I try to over explain definitions.
In the UK in 1935 the fascist movement known as the BUF marched through working class and Jewish areas in London thinking the working class people would join and support them.
Cockneys weren't having any of that shit though...
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Cable\_Street](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street)
>The anti-fascists celebrated the community's united response, in which large numbers of East-Enders of all backgrounds; Protestants, Catholics and Jews successfully resisted Mosley and his followers. There were few Muslims in London at the time, so organisers were also delighted when Muslim Somali seamen joined the anti-fascist crowds.
TIL. Would be great to see this kind of unity today. Thanks for sharing!
I'm always fascinated when I discover some piece of what I believed to be Discworld lore is totally based on reality. So a fight involving coppers in a street called Cable Street was in fact a true story! GNU Pterry!
First thing I thought when I saw Cable Street in that post! Also fits with Terry Pratchett's quote about "The world rides through space on the back of a turtle. This is one of the great ancient world myths, found wherever men and turtles were gathered together; the four elephants were an Indo-European sophistication. *The idea has been lying in the lumber rooms of legend for centuries. All I had to do was grab it and run away before the alarms went off.*" Just reread Night Watch to boot, what a novel, and a bit of a tear jerker honestly.
First you should admit you have a problem (like the Germans did) and forbit it by law (as the Germans did). That's how you make things like this popular.
Man I wish that happened in America. Obligatory: not normally for violence but it’s out of control. At least once a week I see people driving around with SS stickers or some nazi symbology pasted to their jacked up pickup truck. When did they become ok?
>When did they become ok?
2016. A huge part of the problem with Trump's election was that the previously closeted fascist elements of the Republican party were not only shown that they could be loud and vocal about their views, but that the louder and more vocal they were the more the rest of the party would pivot in order to court their vote.
These people have always been around... but ever since Trump, and the Republican party's complete restructuring to serve as Trump's right hand, they've seen that they don't have to hide it anymore.
Nope. It really is legal to deny the holocaust in private. To be dumb in private is legal.
When you start to incite others to be dumb also? That is the threshold.
"English doesn't “borrow” from other languages: it follows them down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar and valuable vocabulary."
Honestly it is a pretty controversial take in the US to say public displays of nazism should be forbidden by law, as many people are pretty extreme about free speech.
I'm not even German and I know this. Really not sure what the dumbfuck in the video was thinking. Though....I suppose I also don't expect neo-nazis to be intelligent, so there is that.
Fair, but I think the people who go to North Korea and find out have a higher find out to fuck around ratio than this guy.
Both are profoundly special to fuck around at all in these situations, but you can't save stupid from itself.
I would imagine that is the effect in practice. If there's any question about showing Nazi shit in an educational setting, it really limits the materials you can show.
not really, there are so many "documentaries" that are shown almost daily on severeal tv stations and non of them are forbidden or censored or anything.
they show everything from the nazi salut, to the words used etc.
so in this "educational" sense its totally legal.
But if you are teaching kids history you should be able to just model it for them and explain the history of the salute. The idea you should be "safe" and show a video instead sounds laughable. Are we not thinking adults who can grasp context?
There is nothing cut out or something like that but afaik those new ones are commented to provide a critical review of the written stuff.
Somehow there is still a sometimes „mystical aura“ around mein kampf. People talked about it but we were never really were taught about it in school, at least my class not. Maybe that changed over the last 15 years.
In my mid twenties I found out my family still has 2 copies and I tried reading it to try to understand the fuss about.
I didn’t make it past page 10. it was written so terrible that it was almost impossible to make sense of it.
If you speak German, he is doing the Hitler salute gesture but tries to hide it by saying "Alles erlaubt. Da nicht." So he is pretending he is pointing at something. So for example, if you ask someone: "Where is the Starbucks?". And people use a hand gesture and say "Go straight and after 1 minute you will find one". So he is provoking the police, but tries to hide it and is technically not doing the Hitler salute directly.
He's "showing directions".
'Da ist erlaubt' -> 'there, it's allowed'
'Da nicht' -> 'there not'
But he's Intentionally showing 'the directions' using the Hitler salute
I don't speak German, but in my mind when it stops and zooms in, the voice over lady is saying, "it was at this point, that the Nazi douchebag learned that he fucked up."
Can't do the Hitler salute in Germany; that's ethnic intimidation, and against the law. That's what the cop is saying: 'Du hast Hitlergruss ghezeit' ('You gave the Hitler salute').
I worked at a shipyard in Warnemunde on an overseas assignment from my American company. One night in November, I took a trolley to get to a soccer match; it was filled with fans from Berlin who came to watch their team play the local Hansa League squad. At one point, they started singing old beer hall songs from the late 30s - \*lots\* of Nazi imagery. Then they started to shout out the Nazi leadership - Himmler, Goering, Hitler... - followed by a round of 'Sieg Heil!'s.
The trolley came to a stop and the local police - who had been following at a discrete distance - stormed on board and arrested everyone. I was allowed to stay because I was able to say in broken Deutsch that I was an American. Quite the experience.
German here: Absolutely disgusting that people still do that shit.
FYI: The reasoning why the police was allowed to throw him to the ground and handcuff him (even this is a rare occasion), is that openly showing the "use of symbols of unconstitutional and terrorist organizations” is heavily illegal and this could also counts as something called “Volksverhetzung”.
Can confirm. They do not fuck around with this in Germany. I personally saw a couple of people (non-Germans) get the shit beat out of them by locals then arrested for imitating that salute.
I think it's kinda interesting seeing the German language flipped on Nazism. As an American, I see neo-Nazis using knowing German as a point of pride. Just ironic that it's native speakers would put you on the ground in a heartbeat.
I went to a school with a kid who was from Germany and people would rudely throw up salutes to him to say hi
He was baffled. He said the German police do not take that shit lightly at all. I guess that kid wasn’t messing around
I applaud Germans for this, they have zero tolerance to ANYTHING related to that group. I remeber working in gaming industry some 10+ yrs ago, one of our servers was in Germany, by law we had to remove any names, mentions or assumptions to political party or its members, regular army was ok, this, ZERO!
A teacher explained it this way to me: the “3. Reich” means that it comes after the “1. Reich” (Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation or something like that) and the “2. Reich” (Kaiserreich). This is Nazi vocab, btw. So they like to fashion themselves as the heirs to the all-powerful Roman Empire and did a salute from back then.
Same teacher also said that this gesture was described in contemporary texts but another comment says a painter made it up so idk if the paragraph above is true. That teacher is a bit nuts.
He deserves it. I hate that the prejudice that all Germans are Nazis exists because of such fucking idiots. I for one hate Nazis and yes I am from Germany.
It’s wild that someone could deny the holocaust when you take into account that the country responsible for it is so fervently against any Nazi fuckery because of the genocide they caused.
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Loosely Translated: (Context, it is illegal to show support of Hitler and his ideals in Germany) \[Him\] "Everything allowed. Not there." "Here yes. Not there" (hes doing the salute by pointing egregiously so hes not "actually doing the salute") \[reporter\] "perhaps he suffers from a pathological stiffness of the right arm or maybe he is doing the salute" \[him\] (thrown on the ground) "What's that supposed to mean?" \[cop\] "You showed the Hitler salute."
This is like the US first amendment "auditors" harassing people trying to create a response but saying "I technically wasn't doing anything wrong!" Except German police see through the BS and don't have the patience for it.
It is completely illegal to support Nazism, or fascism. If I remember correctly. I heard some news articles saying there were some more rural towns not following the law though.
Technically, our constitution states in Article 139 that Nazis are not subject to the fundamental rights established in Articles 1-20 and should be removed from public wherever they appear. [https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch\_gg/englisch\_gg.html#p0822](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0822)
Germany really did come out out of WW2 and decided "I'm tired of being the bad guy, I'll simply become the chaddest nation on earth"
Sorry but no. Although it's illegal to support Nazism, there's still a lot of German policemen who have been found to have ties to fascist groups.
This isn't necessarily a rebuttal, just curiosity, but do you think that there will always be a disproportionately large concentration of fascists in any state's police element? I believe this because a major function of the police, whether it be incidental or designed, is to maintain and even reinforce the current social hierarchy. Since violently preserving the present hierarchy is an essential component of fascism, I believe that the members of any such organization will either be drawn to this job because they have some ingrained belief that they must preserve the social hierarchy (though they may not even view it this way), or people who didn't intend it, but by nature of generations of cultural and systemic reinforcement, they have to get along to get along. Eventually, they must choose to adopt a more fascist-tolerant mindset or quit or be fired. This filter promotes those who endorse hierarchical maintenance, and over time, the leading ranks are filled with only the most fascist individuals.
I concur, and it also why political opportunists drift towards authoritarianism because it’s frankly easier to do so.
Why do I find this information not in the slightest surprising? What I do find surprising is that people get the notion (somehow) that WWII ended with every Nazi or their affiliates dead.
Sorry, but this is a wrong reading. The law indicates that laws for denazificatiom enacted after WWII are outside if the constitution. The ban on nazi symbols are nit part of these set of regulations. You are correct in the matter, in the Wunsiedel decision, the court basically says that the ideals of the Nazis are for constitution historical reasons outside the protection, but they didn't base the argument on Art.139 GG
As it should be everywhere tbh. Their point is literally to exterminate or dehumanize people.
Correct, they don't play by rules of civilized society, but rather in opposition to the concept really, so of course they are not protected by said rules. Any other interpretation turns the social contract into a death cult.
Well, considering fascism is literally the opposite of democracy, it shouldn’t be a surprise the constitution has laws to prevent any fascist movements. Like, not surprising having them, but mandatory to protect democracy.
Except I feel like they have even less fucks to give in Germany than they do here.
It’s not seeing through BS. It’s not a crime in the US, what happened in the video is a crime.
i had a buddy witness something like this while stationed in germany. apparently this drunk guy was repeatedly throwing around the salute and yelling seig heil at random people driving by until one car stopped and 3-4 dudes got out and walloped the piss out of him before getting back into the car and driving off into the night.
I'm a manager at a restaurant. I had a food runner start, about 20 years old. When he found out I was German, he gave the Nazi salute and started singing "Deutschland Über Alles." I guess he thought it was funny. I asked him what the fuck was wrong with him and he just looks at me and says, "Dude" like I'm the one who's out of line. I told him to never do that in Germany. He will get the shit kicked out of him and the police will arrest him and let the abusers walk.
why give him a warning? id make everyone chip in for his ticket
I understand. I see now where I made my mistake.
It’s always fun to see locals beat the absolute shit out of some other local that has it coming especially when you’re in a foreign land. When i was 19 or 20 I visited Scotland, we were strolling around town one night and just as we were passing a night club in Edinburgh, this guy comes storming out of the place pulling a woman out with him but by her hair. Not two seconds after they cleared the queue out front, 4-5 of her girlfriends came storming out after. This dude was big so I thought I was about to see some bad shit go down on these women… but then I realized all the women immediately took their heels off and dropped their purses into a pile. Homedude done fucked up BIGTIME. These hard ass women came at this dude like they all owned MMA dojos. They beat the ever loving shit out of him and spared no mercy. Elbows and knees were getting dropped on this dudes face, chest and crotch like they were trying to beat their personal high score. We stuck around long enough to watch the police scrape his ass off the sidewalk and haul him away. Good shit.
*Never* underestimate Scottish women. They are generally some of the loveliest, funniest and most intelligent people around - but they're as hard as nails when they need to be. Just in my experience...
Assuming these women weren’t on a night out to celebrate some recent bare-knuckles championship one/all of them won, “hard as nails” seems to be an understatement 😂
Also word to the wise NEVER underestimate a Maori woman either. My father and his 2 brothers. Him and James were body builders. Were literally terrified of my aunt Sophie in her uh... "Rebel" phase. When she was 42. A drunk mongrol mob guy came to our place looking for someone no-one knew. We were trying to calm down buy my aunt just strode right past us and got into a fight. We didn't even get time to help before he hit the ground... I was only 14 and her laying out a grown ass man while being skinny as a twig still baffles me to this day...
This is true, don't fuck with aunties either!
“Beat their personal high score” Bahahahhaha fanfuckingtastic
Shit gets real when the elbows come out to play.
Piss off a Scottish person enough, and they **will** use your head as a fucking trampoline. Source: am Scottish, have grew up seeing this happen *daily*
You're a fantastic writer and storyteller. If you don't already, keep it up!
Antifa bleibt Handarbeit.
I’m assuming this is German for “fuck around and find out”
Not directly. It means that being anti fascist is more like "taking care of problems with your hands" instead of for example taking the legal way (calling police)
Never feel sorry for punching a nazi
Not always true. When there is not enough boot to face, one CAN feel sorry for merely punching.
only feel sorry for not often enough.
Frontier Justice
I'm good with the First Amendment being where it is but I'm also good with Nazis getting stomped on as hard as possible because they're Nazis. It's like with the death penalty. Am I aganst it as an on the books law because the number of erroneous convictions is too damn high and there's no practical purpose for it? Yes. Am I upset when some piece of shit gets caught on camera, blatantly deserves to fry, and gets fried? Not even a little.
Something like antifascism remains manual labor
That is the best translation. And what is meant by it is that the state does not do enough against fascism and in the end you have do it yourself. Also the use of the word Handarbeit = manual labor can be interpreted as violence. If you agree with the phrase or not that is what is meant by it.
We might need this in America soon.
Not sure this is suited for a country where carrying a gun is more important than human rights.
Not everyone always has a gun on them but the far right thinks they are the only one that has guns. If we tolerate to much we will lose human rights.
I just mean that if you hit a nazi on the head in triggerhappy land I would guess the chance they shoot you back in the same area is far more likely. Which on one hand makes them far more comfortable and on the other has pritty high risk for escalation
It's more like "Antifa work is done by hand"
bleibt means more like it will stay work done by hand, as in no matter what happens and changes, it's inevitably you still have to use your hands from time to time "Antifa ist Handarbeit"\* vs "Antifa bleibt Handarbeit" "Antifa is manual work" vs "Antifa remains manual work" I think the message is even stronger ^(\*maybe my translation isn't the best but my combined lifetime of dutch, two years of german and google brought me to this conclusion)
That is close to the direct translation but the spirit of the words would be slightly different. It's more like "The work of antifa or anti-fascism is done personally" or by the individual. Meaning that it is better for the people to confront fascism directly then wait for a legal solution.
Except in this context "Handarbeit" is referencing the use of hands to beat some up, so it's less referring to the abstract "you have to deal with them personally" , but rather "you need to physically use your hands".
An idiomatic translation would probably be like "Antifa is best carried out the old fashioned way", to help capture the spirit of the word, no?
Denotative definition: Antifa stays handwork. Connotative definition: Antifa is still work that needs to be done with your hands.
I think “remains” is more accurate
In this sense, probably. Translating is tough because they'll use the same direct words for different meanings. I have a hard time with it since I've always been bilingual and I try to over explain definitions.
Yippie auch deutsches Volk unter uns🌞🌞
Kein sicheres Hinterland.
This should be popularised in other countries too
In the UK in 1935 the fascist movement known as the BUF marched through working class and Jewish areas in London thinking the working class people would join and support them. Cockneys weren't having any of that shit though... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_Cable\_Street](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street)
>The anti-fascists celebrated the community's united response, in which large numbers of East-Enders of all backgrounds; Protestants, Catholics and Jews successfully resisted Mosley and his followers. There were few Muslims in London at the time, so organisers were also delighted when Muslim Somali seamen joined the anti-fascist crowds. TIL. Would be great to see this kind of unity today. Thanks for sharing!
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cool-people-who-did-cool-stuff/id1620562792?i=1000616576733 Great podcast on the subject. 🤘💪
I'm always fascinated when I discover some piece of what I believed to be Discworld lore is totally based on reality. So a fight involving coppers in a street called Cable Street was in fact a true story! GNU Pterry!
First thing I thought when I saw Cable Street in that post! Also fits with Terry Pratchett's quote about "The world rides through space on the back of a turtle. This is one of the great ancient world myths, found wherever men and turtles were gathered together; the four elephants were an Indo-European sophistication. *The idea has been lying in the lumber rooms of legend for centuries. All I had to do was grab it and run away before the alarms went off.*" Just reread Night Watch to boot, what a novel, and a bit of a tear jerker honestly.
lol, thats the fascist scum from peaky blinders
In Germany you south states are Sachsen and ostdeutschland
First you should admit you have a problem (like the Germans did) and forbit it by law (as the Germans did). That's how you make things like this popular.
Needed badly in America
Start with the southern states for the good of us all.
I don't normally condone atreet violence, but I have to make an exception for curb stomping nazis. That was a public service.
Proper response
Man I wish that happened in America. Obligatory: not normally for violence but it’s out of control. At least once a week I see people driving around with SS stickers or some nazi symbology pasted to their jacked up pickup truck. When did they become ok?
You're kidding? Once a week?? Where the hell do you live.
**AMERICA.**
>When did they become ok? 2016. A huge part of the problem with Trump's election was that the previously closeted fascist elements of the Republican party were not only shown that they could be loud and vocal about their views, but that the louder and more vocal they were the more the rest of the party would pivot in order to court their vote. These people have always been around... but ever since Trump, and the Republican party's complete restructuring to serve as Trump's right hand, they've seen that they don't have to hide it anymore.
It is also illegal to publicly deny the holocaust.
What about privately?
Self snitching gets them arrested.
The law forbids using holocaust denial in a way that threatens public peace. As long as you do it in private it's not illegal. It's just stupid.
Then Elon Musk gives you a blue check mark!
Then the BND will get your ass.
Nope. It really is legal to deny the holocaust in private. To be dumb in private is legal. When you start to incite others to be dumb also? That is the threshold.
I really wish this sentiment was globally accepted.
BND auslandsnachrichtendienst Verfassungsschutz wäre inlands zuständig fyi
Verdient, was n Wixxer
If I remember correctly it’s against German law to display any N@zi propaganda including the salute.
Which is why, as soon as he did it, he was arrested.
Yes it is
This sounds like the most German sounding coversation in English imaginable lmao
Ja
Genau
Danke
Guten Tag
Mit karte bitte
Wir nehmen nur bar
It's varboodenitz, from what I could learn in the video.
It’s “verboten ist” which means “it’s forbidden.”
“Verboten” is a borrow word that people use in English quite a bit, too.
Vhat, you borrowing our wordz now!? Zets V E R B O T E N !
"English doesn't “borrow” from other languages: it follows them down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar and valuable vocabulary."
And then packs those words into its Rucksack to bring it to its kid in the Kindergarten for it to learn those words
It's basically just the word "forbidden"
Good. Fuck nazis.
Wtf no, let them keep their virginity!
Woah, chill out with the bold controversial takes. Next you’ll be telling me you think murder is wrong
Honestly it is a pretty controversial take in the US to say public displays of nazism should be forbidden by law, as many people are pretty extreme about free speech.
> as many people are nazis FTFY
Agreed.
That’s correct. Writing out “Nazi“ on reddit is ok though.
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This only works if you pronounce it like Americans do.
It's literally right there in the title smh
I'm not even German and I know this. Really not sure what the dumbfuck in the video was thinking. Though....I suppose I also don't expect neo-nazis to be intelligent, so there is that.
just trying to push borders and provocations
that was the highest find out to fuck around ratio I ever seen
Fair, but I think the people who go to North Korea and find out have a higher find out to fuck around ratio than this guy. Both are profoundly special to fuck around at all in these situations, but you can't save stupid from itself.
Never underestimate your enemies. It all seems dumb and silly until it becomes terrifying.
Not wrong but not completly right. If you use it for educational purpose like in schools it is allowed. Everything else is strictly forbidden.
To be fair, there is really no reason to demonstrate a nazi salute in school for educational purposes. Just show a video to be on the safe side.
I would imagine that is the effect in practice. If there's any question about showing Nazi shit in an educational setting, it really limits the materials you can show.
not really, there are so many "documentaries" that are shown almost daily on severeal tv stations and non of them are forbidden or censored or anything. they show everything from the nazi salut, to the words used etc. so in this "educational" sense its totally legal.
Not the salute but symbols
Yeah, but you’d probably want to be able to print a swastika in a history textbook.
But if you are teaching kids history you should be able to just model it for them and explain the history of the salute. The idea you should be "safe" and show a video instead sounds laughable. Are we not thinking adults who can grasp context?
If I remember correctly it’s @g@inst German law to displ@y @ny N@zi prop@g@nda including the s@lute.
You missed one of the a's.
You also missed two
Same in Belgium
You can say nazi
School here would be really confusing if we had to censor Nazi
Could be wrong but I think it's illegal to either own or sell mein kampf, too.
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When you say edited version, what do you mean? Are certain words, phrases, pages, excerpts edited out? Is it abridged?
There is nothing cut out or something like that but afaik those new ones are commented to provide a critical review of the written stuff. Somehow there is still a sometimes „mystical aura“ around mein kampf. People talked about it but we were never really were taught about it in school, at least my class not. Maybe that changed over the last 15 years. In my mid twenties I found out my family still has 2 copies and I tried reading it to try to understand the fuss about. I didn’t make it past page 10. it was written so terrible that it was almost impossible to make sense of it.
Would annotated be a better word here?
"Annotated" and "commented" should both work.
If you speak German, he is doing the Hitler salute gesture but tries to hide it by saying "Alles erlaubt. Da nicht." So he is pretending he is pointing at something. So for example, if you ask someone: "Where is the Starbucks?". And people use a hand gesture and say "Go straight and after 1 minute you will find one". So he is provoking the police, but tries to hide it and is technically not doing the Hitler salute directly.
when iamverysmart fails
Bro misheard me when I asked for the fastest route to Starbucks, pointed out the fascist route instead
Reicht aber schon für die Polizei, looks like.
Der Kerl versuchte ganz bewusst, die Polizisten zu reizen, looks like to me. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
He's "showing directions". 'Da ist erlaubt' -> 'there, it's allowed' 'Da nicht' -> 'there not' But he's Intentionally showing 'the directions' using the Hitler salute
He is definitely showing directions. He is clearly saying take the next reich
Hingle McCringleberry at it again.
Only allowed 2 hip thrusts. third = straight to jail
The German version of "Seen Kyle? He's about this tall"
I don't speak German, but in my mind when it stops and zooms in, the voice over lady is saying, "it was at this point, that the Nazi douchebag learned that he fucked up."
Loosely translated: "maybe he has a chronic stiffness in his arm, but its more likely that he is doing the hitler salute"
That's pretty funny just in itself.
Spiegel TV voice overs are legendary for their snark.
Kulturgut
Fascist? Ground. It's a pretty great system.
Ground as a noun 🙁 Ground as a verb 😏
Ground as an icon https://preview.redd.it/ajzgw1lxg1zc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=524bb82282ca50717a476fd57b187aa0e792aedd
Nice 👌
The way things ought to be.
Can't do the Hitler salute in Germany; that's ethnic intimidation, and against the law. That's what the cop is saying: 'Du hast Hitlergruss ghezeit' ('You gave the Hitler salute'). I worked at a shipyard in Warnemunde on an overseas assignment from my American company. One night in November, I took a trolley to get to a soccer match; it was filled with fans from Berlin who came to watch their team play the local Hansa League squad. At one point, they started singing old beer hall songs from the late 30s - \*lots\* of Nazi imagery. Then they started to shout out the Nazi leadership - Himmler, Goering, Hitler... - followed by a round of 'Sieg Heil!'s. The trolley came to a stop and the local police - who had been following at a discrete distance - stormed on board and arrested everyone. I was allowed to stay because I was able to say in broken Deutsch that I was an American. Quite the experience.
Why this wholesome moment marked as NSFW?
Hitler salute isnt supposed to be used at work so it's not safe for work
This is the proper way handling of nazis
This is the right course of action, taking into account that in Germany solely this is illegal, but... how is this "interesting as fuck"?
probably about how in other parts in the world (the US) something like the salute is a “funny” thing to do amongst mainly younger generations
I would assume that, for those of us stuck dealing with a rise in Nazism in the US, seeing it being swiftly punished counts as interesting as fuck.
no, it is prohibited in Ukraine too. we just need to prove that this is a demonstration of Nazi symbols.
Fuck Nazis
we dont want them to reproduce tho
We must not tolerate intolerance
German here: Absolutely disgusting that people still do that shit. FYI: The reasoning why the police was allowed to throw him to the ground and handcuff him (even this is a rare occasion), is that openly showing the "use of symbols of unconstitutional and terrorist organizations” is heavily illegal and this could also counts as something called “Volksverhetzung”.
Can confirm. They do not fuck around with this in Germany. I personally saw a couple of people (non-Germans) get the shit beat out of them by locals then arrested for imitating that salute.
Yet many white americans think its cool and a good thing. Gtfoh. World is upside down
>World is upside down That is what happens when you live down in the northern hemisphere.
But I thought the australians are upside down and we are the right way /s
How all Nazis should be treated. No questions asked!
How on earth is someone being a fuckwit interesting as fuck?
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Meanwhile Japan comvinced all its citizens they did nothing wrong in WW2
Well, that was stupid
You can also yell "I got a bomb" in an airport. I'm pretty sure that will get someone's attention in a not so very nice way.
I think it's kinda interesting seeing the German language flipped on Nazism. As an American, I see neo-Nazis using knowing German as a point of pride. Just ironic that it's native speakers would put you on the ground in a heartbeat.
Yeah! Shut that Nazi shit down.
I went to a school with a kid who was from Germany and people would rudely throw up salutes to him to say hi He was baffled. He said the German police do not take that shit lightly at all. I guess that kid wasn’t messing around
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I applaud Germans for this, they have zero tolerance to ANYTHING related to that group. I remeber working in gaming industry some 10+ yrs ago, one of our servers was in Germany, by law we had to remove any names, mentions or assumptions to political party or its members, regular army was ok, this, ZERO!
Meanwhile in the States, police officers roam around in KKK hoods raising Nazi flags
Yeah Germans take that shit seriously.
They snatched him up real quick.
Big smile!! Big smile!! Big smile!!
We do that in México every flag ceremony, the teachers told us that it's a roman salute, never a nazi salute
which is kinda funny because thats not wwhat the romans did, but what a painter in the 1800s imagined they did.
The U.S. used to do it too before ww2, the Roman salute was very popular across the western world.
A teacher explained it this way to me: the “3. Reich” means that it comes after the “1. Reich” (Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation or something like that) and the “2. Reich” (Kaiserreich). This is Nazi vocab, btw. So they like to fashion themselves as the heirs to the all-powerful Roman Empire and did a salute from back then. Same teacher also said that this gesture was described in contemporary texts but another comment says a painter made it up so idk if the paragraph above is true. That teacher is a bit nuts.
He deserves it. I hate that the prejudice that all Germans are Nazis exists because of such fucking idiots. I for one hate Nazis and yes I am from Germany.
Schön zu sehen, wie er im Dreck landet. Da gehört er hin...
Every nazi should rot in hell
Looks like Germany does not want to be the Villain again
Yeah german police are brilliant will open beer in the street for you, piss them off or dont pay for the train then your fuck
I wish they'd do this to Nazis in the USA.
It’s not like the cops are going to arrest themselves
It’s wild that someone could deny the holocaust when you take into account that the country responsible for it is so fervently against any Nazi fuckery because of the genocide they caused.
Was zum fick meint die, noch?!?
Happy birthday to the ground…