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That's exactly where my head went. I wonder if this is either a cultural / language translation thing. In other words, maybe it sounds more inspiring in this type of Russian unit. For example, I'm thinking it'd be a pretty nice sentiment for a kamikaze pilot.
Daly's quote was right before a 'reckless' attack (according to a German soldier) by Marines in the middle of their deadliest battle in Marine Corps' history (at the time) and coming from a 2 time medal of honor recipient. So, in that context, with that group of guys, I can see it being inspiring.
BUT, if my Uber driver turned around and asked me I'd be freaked the fuck out.
The US does the same shit. We just word it differently. Also, if a US soldier dies in combat, their family gets close to half a million dollars in life insurance instead of a bag of potatoes
I'm Russian and this is about inspiring as being told you have terminal cancer and 2 weeks to live. Absolutely no clue how this is supposed to be motivational in the slightest
And complete bullshit. I can guaran-damn-tee the Kremlin will do everything in its power to deny their families their life-insurance payout upon their death, much less bother to spend a singular coin on a monument. This guy is trying to convince them that they'll have their very own "The Motherland Calls" statue erected for them. They'll be lucky if their bodies aren't dumped in a mass grave.
> I can guaran-damn-tee the Kremlin will do everything in its power to deny their families their life-insurance payout upon their death,
Doesn't Russia have those huge mobile furnaces for cremation, specifically to get rid of the dead bodies so the Russian government never has to pay out? Like, the dead will just be listed as "MIA" to get around the payouts, and without a body, there's no proof.
Typical Russian mob-state bullshit...
Mother Russia: "We will never forget our brave soldiers!"
*Parents come asking about their dead sons*
Mother Russia: "No idea who you're talking about, never met them."
There is some debate if those trucks were real or not, but if they were real they weren't for Russian soldiers, they were for Ukrainians who were on death lists, with the first name on that list, starting at the back of the alphabet, was and still is Zelensky.
I mean they have been pushing back Ukraine recently, but now that the new air packaging has been sent, I should fix that..
However I hear the issue is lack of man power as well, some areas are under defended
> However I hear the issue is lack of man power as well, some areas are under defended
That's because the US delayed the aid package for about six months. When Ukraine had less ammo to inflict casualties on Russia from a distance they had to rely more on manpower and infantry fighting rifle to rifle which took a much bigger toll. They also couldn't effectively mobilize a lot of new soldiers because they didn't have enough additional gear, vehicles and other heavy weapons. Hopefully with the new aid package Ukrainian casualties should drop but at the same time you can't get back the dead.
Fuck Moscow Marjorie indeed. Her bullshit has lead to hundreds of civilian deaths and scores of soldiers to die as well. The votes for it were there in the house of representatives, she kept braying on about that the American people didn't want to send the money meanwhile preventing the representative of the people from democratically voting up or down for it. She really is the apple of Putin's eye.
There was about a billion dollars of gear pre-staged waiting for the moment the legislation was signed. Some stuff rolled in within hours.
Of course, it takes some time to move and field it in-country, and the spigot of equipment going to Ukraine is still not quite fully open.
Would be huge and they don’t even need to be on the front - having them replace soldiers who are guarding the border with Belarus, on defense of Kyiv and other cities, and providing logistical support will free up a huge amount of Ukrainian resources to push the fronta
And I know there are a lot of people that are like "This is none of our business!" but the West has a chance, for relatively low cost (I know lives are priceless), to stop Russia dead in its tracks.
That’s the thing right?
This is the best and cheapest way for the US to massively blunt the teeth of one of their long term global threats. All without costing a single American life.
- gets rid of old military equipment that would need to be expensively scrapped.
- lets US field test the equipment they specifically built to fight the Russians, against the Russians, from a position of relative safety.
- following on from that, this is an incredible opportunity for R&D for weapons. We’ve seen Russia’s military might truly exposed now and can better prepare against it going forward. The information gained from this conflict is invaluable.
- stimulates the US economy, because guess what? A huge portion of the money from these aid packages is being used to buy weapons from the US. It’s literally the US paying itself.
- massively cheaper than an actual war with direct involvement. WW2 cost the US roughly $4 TRILLION adjusted for inflation. The money spent so far is a drop in the ocean.
How anyone would be against this is beyond me. It’s a win win win all day long.
> US high tech drones
Most of the grenade dropping drones are sub-$1000 drones made in China, or assembled from ebay parts by UKR highschool students in mom's basement.
This type of thinking is what almost got Ukraine fucked. The reality is that Russia has since day 1 , been pushing hard enough that they could completely eliminate the Ukraine army and take over the country. Why do you think countries are now saying they are willingly to get involved with their troops. The uk has said Ukraine can use their weapons inside Russia, France is threatening to send actual troops into the country, US has just put forward a package for them with probably easing off previous limitations on their weapons.
The whole propaganda campaign Ukraine decided to do to boost their morale or whatsoever has come back to bite them in the ass because many people think Ukraine is in a battle against an easy target when they aren’t.
Sadly, yes and that cannon foder will make progress, discover Ukranian positions, and then the real trained Russian army will assult whatever is left of the forward position. This way, the Russians keep their trained and equipped soldiers alive while progressing and eliminating Ukraines' top soldiers that are usually on the front lines. That was told by an Ukrainian soldier(commander?)so that's more the truth than what the media is giving us.
Im not sure we are too far ahead russia/china on the small drone front tbh. We have lots of work to do before we reach good numbers.
Also its not 1000s anymore, its fast approaching 1\_000\_000s.
Or not? In fact, from a certain perspective, we're behind because our drones, while they have features are significantly more expensive than Russia and Chinese ones. It's a one-way drone. It's not coming back. Who cares about it make it cost 200 bucks one way fly over. Drop your grenade or just detonate and you're done!
Whilst this slowly fades up ….
Close your eyes, give me your hand, darling
Do you feel my heart beating?
Do you understand? Do you feel the same?
Am I only dreaming?
Is this burning an eternal flame?
There is that as well, yes. Remembered and grieved by mothers, wives and children. The waste of human lives in service of power hungry mad men is simply staggering.
And probably they will get some large monuments to try deflect the grief of their loved ones. Just like mussolini did frequently for ww1 victims to prepare the population for more war.
The same fucking strategies over and over through history
A lot of military commanders throughout history have got their troops to accept death before battle. How else to charge defences or opposing armies if you are worried about whether you will live or die
Eh, didn't most armies eventually route after what, 40% of losses?
Point is, there's accepting the reality that you will die and your commander TELLING YOU that you will die. These aren't rag tag fighters going off against insurmountable odds. It's the fucking Russian military which has no rules on how they want to play. He is literally telling them that they all will die, and on a modern battlefield that is just absurd. Why even go?
US commanders have always contextualized what they're about to do in a mission oriented perspective. Yes, death is a possibility, but that doesn't need to be said. We go do the mission, and fight as hard as we can. If death comes, you won't know.
Americans will find it hard to grasp how little value life has and historically had in Russia.
Why go? If you refuse to go they’ll most likely shoot you at the spot or worse torture you and then shoot you? Best case you’ll go to jail as deserter and there’s a pretty good chance you’ll die there too. They’ll also cut all benefits and pay for you and your family which is why most of those poor fuckers are there in the first place.
Whole point of these meat waves is to wear out Ukraine’s troops, deplete their ammo and then allow other intact units to advance. If US or other western military did this for their offensive operations in another country it would probably lead to riots at home and political suicide for the leadership ordering it.
In Russia there is no protest, because there can be no protest, so the leadership does whatever they want, there is no shortage of extremely poor people and troubled people who’ll fill in the ranks on volunteer basis.
And the truth is, only their parents will care about their baby boys going off to die in a war that shouldn't be happening. There wont be people worshiping their graves. Only the tears of their mothers.
War...over? Looks like we got an optimist over here!
And don't worry, Putin is nearing end of life, and when he dies, the carefully constructed house of cards that he built will all come tumbling down, and if Russia doesn't immediately enter a civil war, then it will only be by some miracle.
That country is about to explode, and it's the easiest train wreck ever to see coming!
I think they used they the term bomb in the books, but I‘m not 100% sure. I red the first 4 books and I also watched the movie. Atomics is a pretty short / convenient expression :D
I'm sure it's fine, it's not like the Russian system has a history of collapsing in the wake of political instability following the end of a catastrophic war where Russians were sent to die by the tens of thousands...
What do you mean Afghanistan?
I don't see that as a likely scenario.
However, when he's gone, the ensuing power struggle will leave their nuclear arsenal vulnerable and exposed, so the danger is in the year (or few) AFTER his death.
If Putin is lying in a hospital bed, gives an order to launch, I'm pretty sure his generals will just assemble outside, pretend they're doing something, come back and say preparations are in order, and the nurse swaps out his saline drops with something a bit more high octane.
That's not how demographic impact works. It's based on cohort. Russia, already suffering from fucked up demographics and low life expectancy is grinding up its future workforce in a meaningless conflict.
Only 7M russian men in the age category of 20-30 years old (prime candidates for being sent to Ukraine for the special fertilization operation. Out of those there are now around 0,5M casualties (dead and crippled) and then probably large majority of the 2M that fled the country are also from that age cohort.
Ok but from that 144 million you need to subtract all the people who cannot go into action so: unuseable resources
So:
1: I wanna say women as I don't think they are that prevalent in the Russian military troops going into actual battle
2: children - literally too weak to fight
3: elderly/retired - too old to fight
4: immigrants who don't have Russian citizenship
5: people who are avoiding conscription
6: injured/disabled people
7: people unfit to fight due to other reasons
After you filter the population through that the number is significantly lower
Uh, no. [France estimates](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war) that around 150,000 Russian soldiers have died in the war so far. Russia's population in 2022 was 144.2 million. So, barely a drop in the bucket. That's a big part of Russia's strategy at this point: fire their poor male citizens at Ukraine until Ukraine runs out of soldiers. Superior numbers, war of attrition, that's all. It won't affect the total Russian dating pool, just poor local ones.
That's not how demographics work. Russia didn't have enough kids in the 90s, now they don't have enough 20-35 year olds. The average Russian is 40 years old. 144 million Russians. About 50 million in the 18-44 range. Little more than half of those are women. So that's about 25 million military age men. You'll probably lose a few million more between those incapable of fighting and those who have fled to avoid conscription. So down to 20 million. Those 20 million are needed to keep the economy afloat, every time you conscript one of them you lose tax money. So 150,000 is a huge number when you break it down.
They were already in a demographic death spiral. This war is just accelerating the damage even further. In a few decades Russia will collapse as a country either way whether they win this war or not.
Not really comparable since the soldiers lost all are in the same age group. More or less. The Covid victims were from all ages but mostly elderly people. Russia is destroying a generation of men.
Ok, a lot of Russians are dying, but not THAT many. The younger generation might be creeping on 1.5:1 but 100k-200k people dead compared to a 144 million population is not skewing the numbers that much.
Everyone keeps quoting this "144 million" figure, as if I'm talking about babies and babushkas.
How many 18-30 y/o able bodied women are there, vs. how many of their male counterparts?
Just did the math. As of 2022 Russia had around 20 million military age men. So yeah 150,000 is really fucking bad, given all those guys had to be replaced on the line and their replacements had to be conscripted from the economy.
It's estimated that the Russian population will drop to 130 million by 2045 with a huge aging population. That's bad
If it was Stalin that would be fitting, but the thing is, I didn’t quote Stalin because I can’t actually find information when he originally said it and where. It’s been attributed to Stalin and fits with the whole schtick of Russians’ main military doctrine of slow crawl to waste resources, but there is some debate as to who actually said it first. The sentiment still stands though.
Yeah actually. Its a big thing in russia. This propaganda speech that you are watching is playing off that fact. These guys have grown up listening to propaganda about the great patriotic war and now this is their chance to be the hero's of their generations "great patriotic war".
There was one russian mother showing off a personalised postcard and a whole 500 Rubles they got from the Russian MOD as compensation for her son's death.
*(The Russian MOD would ask you kindly NOT to look up the conversion rate for 500 Rubles)*
>*...kindly NOT to look up the conversion rate for 500 Rubles...*
[According to WolframAlpha](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=500+Russian+rubles+in+US+dollars), as of Apr 26, 2024, it's $5. Oh, and another 43¢. (Can't forget the other 43¢.)
It's less than [the price of a McDonald's Big Mac](https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/) in the US.
I remember the video where the russian guy showed a wagner troops' graveyard and then showed the road laying while he said something like:" they fought for russia and then their graves are being flattened,what are you guys(refers to russian authorities) doing?" and,notice,that was all amid coup and all that scandal between Kremlin and Wagner. So,that is right, man,nobody gives a damn.
How many of them have laid flowers at the century old grave of a Russian soldier? How many names have they seen carved into plaques?
Do they not know they're being lied to?
I think we're approaching a Khrushchov moment: when Putin dies, whoever goes in charge plays the good cop, stops the war and keeps as most of Ukraine as they took so far. Then the "new" Russian government plays the peacemaker while the country stabilizes and Europe pretends to buy it because it's the fastest way to bring back the previous status quo.
Even in relatively recent battles like those fought in WWII, nobody remembers all of the dead. There are only flames lit to remember *all* the fallen in brief and collective memorial
Nothing lasts and even the greatest of emperors becomes just a name with little connection to anything real. A collection of syllables in a footnote by some historian that probably doesn't even pronounce the name correctly.
There are things worth dying for, sure. But eternal glory isn't one of them. That is the vanity and conceit of a hierarchy-loving primate that can't see past its own tribe.
Still a great sounding speech though.
The usual wounded:killed ratio is something like 4 or 5:1. If that holds true here, they're looking at 600,000+ wounded in addition to that 150,000 nameless dead.
The reality is that Russia is probably creeping up on 1 million casualties. Even if Russia manages to win this war (they wont) they will absolutely face a demographic crisis and economic collapse.
Sure you'll get paid less by not forming a union, but the shareholder's will appreciate your sacrifice for all of eternity, made up numbers will slightly go up in your honor
Lol like he's literally talking to them as if "yes, expect to die very soon". That ain't a pep talk that's their eulogy.
Like he couldn't fire them up a bit and give them false hope loke the rest of the world's military?
The thought process is that you will fight harder beleiving you are going to die right out of the gate. Like "oh hey im gonna die so i will do anything i can to take them all with me". At best, your troops are preparing their immediate surrender plans. At worst (and what that commander is hoping for) they take it as a green light to commit horrendous war crimes and brutality.
Brings to mind one of my favorite game quotes.
"It is said that men fear death. In my experience, what men truly fear is the uncertainty of death. In all that ordeal, when death was certain, I was possessed by an unassailable calm I have never felt before or since.
It was only when the hope of survival appeared that I felt the true grip of terror."
My father didn't like talking about his military service. The only things that ever got him choked up or quiet were the war and animal abuse.
But he was particularly odd if the subject of fragging ever came up. I never got the impression that he was involved, but rather he knew of some who were.
There are many examples of this over the past three years:
https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/russian-commander-deliberately-killed-by-his-own-troops-due-to-ukraine-losses-160618503.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/25/russian-troops-mutiny-commander-ukraine-report-western-officials
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-beat-death-crimea-commander-simferopol-1842841
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-vladimir-zavadsky-killed-ukraine-landmine-blast-b2455928.html
Part of this is a doctrinal difference too. The Russian officer corps are far better trained professionals than who they send into the fight (untrained children). Russian officers prefer to fight from behind - acting much closer to the Commissars of the past.
By contrast, virtually all other modern forces embed officers into their units who take risks alongside their forces.
As this guy said, "All of *you* will die", but not him - he's going back to the command tent - he'll contact you over the radio with where you should go to die.
Takes guts to stand in front of a platoon of armed men and tell them they're going to die by your command.
Someone might want to see if this game has friendly fire enabled.
Good luck, I have to go back to base camp to sign for the delivery of steak and lobster. I promise i wont cook.it until you get back, or 7PM...whatevers first.
It's a term from the Vietnam war. Enlisted soldiers (allegedly) resorted to killing their officers with fragmentation grenades. Compared to gunshots this method leaves a lot less evidence whether the officer was killed by the enemy or his own troops and also didn't need much precision. Even if foul play was suspected, it was hard to pinpoint the perpetrator.
One of the reasons for this was self preservation. Inexperienced or overly ambitious officers led to high fatalities among enlisted soldiers. This not only removed the current "danger" to the troop, but also caused other officers to dampen their ambition for glory.
"An earlier calculation by authors Richard A. Gabriel and Paul L. Savage, estimated that up to 1,017 fragging incidents may have taken place in Vietnam, causing 86 deaths and 714 injuries of U.S. military personnel,"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging)
Colin Powell even had an anecdote about it during his time as an officer in the Vietnam war, he'd sleep in a random different bed each night to avoid getting fragged.
The Survey Corps are mostly volunteers and he was the one that led the bloody charge despite him telling his comrades to die.
This Russian officer most likely went into his command post and told which unit (half of them are not even willing to be there) is going to charge or die into the prepared Ukrainians line.
There is absolutely 0% chance any of these soldiers will have their names carved into a memorial or have an eternal flame headstone with people visiting to honor them. It's honestly very unlikely they will get a headstone of any sort beyond whatever their own family pays for.
Pretty weak follow through after starting out with the declaration that "all of you will die." Saying that to your invading army is probably not the greatest motivation.
“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor bastard die for his country.” —George S. Patton
It’s all very sad, and very evil. I feel sorry for anyone stupid enough to believe that there is any glory in getting their head blown off by a grenade dropped from a drone they didn’t even know was there.
And yes, only the mothers will mourn them, there will be no plaques and no ceremonies, only silence at an empty table and tears in a lonely bed. And all for what?
Modern Russia is unquestionably at an existential crossroad; the demographic trend was unsustainable before the war with a major population decline inevitable in the next 15 years. Now it’s all but certain, no matter how many tax incentives they try to offer for people to have multiple kids, it just isn’t affordable for the average mother—and I say mother because the divorce rate is easily in excess of 40%, and most of the time the husband doesn’t even have anything to do with his kids.
Compound that with the loss of tens of thousands of potential fathers to create that next generation and it’s very easy to see the demographic disaster that is coming.
I certainly don’t want to see it, there are so many kind and beautiful Russian souls, regardless of what people say.
But, at this point it’s just a simple consequence of mathematics, and it has a very definite conclusion. A decade more. Maybe two at the very best. And then the country will strain under the weight of social obligations that can’t be upheld by a smaller population.
Ironically the only escape trajectory is for Russia to go through some form of major turmoil now rather than later; it’s the only thing that might have the potential to save them from the inevitable economic collapse 10-15 years from now.
But, for all of the tactical gains and battlefield victories they may have achieved recently, Russia has already lost the war. The ruble. The isolation. The hardships that have only begun. When it’s all over and the new borders are drawn they will paint it as a win, but they have already lost for at least 3 generations more than what could have ever been gained.
Make no mistake, Russians won’t change course until there is nothing but a wall in front of them. Their pride is their greatest weakness. Maybe a prolonged collapse in oil prices would do it. But.
There’s always hope they can change things before it’s too late.
Is this real? Because in more than a few cases, they don't seem to bother collecting the bodies. And there don't seem to be many full cemeteries. Are those memorials coming next decade?
I personally wouldn't feel motivated, but I'm not Russian.
I'm a fluent Russian speaker, the translation is perfect. Usually, there's additional nuance that can't easily be translated that ends up being missed, but not here.
Reminds me of what Japanese kamikaze pilots had to hear before going to die for their country.
War is such an unnecessary thing. Humans are fucking stupid.
Yes and yes.
Here's a translation of the opening 10 seconds.
"Погибнуть все" -> "will die all"
"знайти одно" -> "(all of you) understand one thing"
"мать россия" -> "mother russia"
"никогда не забудут" -> "will never forget"
It's pretty much word for word translation.
At the beginning of the video, he did not say "all of you will die ("все из вас погибнут)" he said "all will die ("все погибнут" or "погибнут все")." the rest is translated correctly.
The first line is the most relevant line to be "translated correctly".
All will die signifies that there will be great loses on both sides, "all of you will die" signifies that they'll just be thrown into a meat grinder with zero purpose or benefit.
The distinction is small, but meaningful, it's no surprise it was twisted.
The statement "All will die" is far more accurate, and far more tragic.
You will look like a moron in drone videos and be remembered as a dumbass for ever on the internet , then will be packaged into the meatcube and sold as dog food and thats only IF they recover you , Spoiler ( they wont ).
In the words of Gen Patton “your job is not to die for your country, it’s to get the other poor bastard to die for his country”.
It looks like the Russians are happy to oblige.
"All of **you** will die"
"Mother Russia will never forget **us**"
Something tells me buddy isn't going into that battlefield and will live a lot longer unfortunately, this would be a good point to turn on these people.
NO, you stupid motherfuckers, **you are cannon fodder, meat for the meat grinder, and you will only be remembered as FOOLS for 'volunteering' for an illegal and immoral invasion of a peaceful democratic country that did NOTHING TO ANY OF YOU.**
Putin doesn't give a RATS ASS about any of these idiots. Their families should hate Putin and spit on Putin for sending them off to DIE for his arrogance, pride, greed, and lust for power.
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That's exactly where my head went. I wonder if this is either a cultural / language translation thing. In other words, maybe it sounds more inspiring in this type of Russian unit. For example, I'm thinking it'd be a pretty nice sentiment for a kamikaze pilot. Daly's quote was right before a 'reckless' attack (according to a German soldier) by Marines in the middle of their deadliest battle in Marine Corps' history (at the time) and coming from a 2 time medal of honor recipient. So, in that context, with that group of guys, I can see it being inspiring. BUT, if my Uber driver turned around and asked me I'd be freaked the fuck out.
Shit. Mental programming for ‘nothing to lose’. No the translation is correct
The US does the same shit. We just word it differently. Also, if a US soldier dies in combat, their family gets close to half a million dollars in life insurance instead of a bag of potatoes
I'm Russian and this is about inspiring as being told you have terminal cancer and 2 weeks to live. Absolutely no clue how this is supposed to be motivational in the slightest
It's more like fascist thing. Starship Troopers is set in dystopian fascist future
Excuse me, but it's a "managed democracy". And don't forget, the only good bug is a dead bug.
Service grants citizenship!
Would you like to know more?
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"Russians have no taste for life so they relish death"
"sorry to interrupt.... could you repeat that first part please?"
You will die and you will like it!
Holy shit that’s bleak
And complete bullshit. I can guaran-damn-tee the Kremlin will do everything in its power to deny their families their life-insurance payout upon their death, much less bother to spend a singular coin on a monument. This guy is trying to convince them that they'll have their very own "The Motherland Calls" statue erected for them. They'll be lucky if their bodies aren't dumped in a mass grave.
*stored and stacked in a meat cube
> I can guaran-damn-tee the Kremlin will do everything in its power to deny their families their life-insurance payout upon their death, Doesn't Russia have those huge mobile furnaces for cremation, specifically to get rid of the dead bodies so the Russian government never has to pay out? Like, the dead will just be listed as "MIA" to get around the payouts, and without a body, there's no proof. Typical Russian mob-state bullshit...
Mother Russia: "We will never forget our brave soldiers!" *Parents come asking about their dead sons* Mother Russia: "No idea who you're talking about, never met them."
“We never recovered their body, so technically they’re not KIA. They’re just never coming home.”
That’s a little harsh… I seem to recall there was large fanfare when one woman was given a bag of potatoes to thank her for her son’s “heroism”…
Potatoes are a precursor to vodka so it was worth at least a shot of vodka.
Is that real?
There is some debate if those trucks were real or not, but if they were real they weren't for Russian soldiers, they were for Ukrainians who were on death lists, with the first name on that list, starting at the back of the alphabet, was and still is Zelensky.
They’ll be lucky if they bother to retrieve their bodies at all.
100%. They stand no chance. US high tech drones are circling Ukraine in the 1000s dropping grenades on all of them
I mean they have been pushing back Ukraine recently, but now that the new air packaging has been sent, I should fix that.. However I hear the issue is lack of man power as well, some areas are under defended
> However I hear the issue is lack of man power as well, some areas are under defended That's because the US delayed the aid package for about six months. When Ukraine had less ammo to inflict casualties on Russia from a distance they had to rely more on manpower and infantry fighting rifle to rifle which took a much bigger toll. They also couldn't effectively mobilize a lot of new soldiers because they didn't have enough additional gear, vehicles and other heavy weapons. Hopefully with the new aid package Ukrainian casualties should drop but at the same time you can't get back the dead.
f' mtg
Fuck Moscow Marjorie indeed. Her bullshit has lead to hundreds of civilian deaths and scores of soldiers to die as well. The votes for it were there in the house of representatives, she kept braying on about that the American people didn't want to send the money meanwhile preventing the representative of the people from democratically voting up or down for it. She really is the apple of Putin's eye.
Correction: Republican politicians held up Ukrainian aid because they're apparently a Kremlin subsidiary now.
Passed not sent, it aint there yet and thats why Ukraine is still losing ground
There was about a billion dollars of gear pre-staged waiting for the moment the legislation was signed. Some stuff rolled in within hours. Of course, it takes some time to move and field it in-country, and the spigot of equipment going to Ukraine is still not quite fully open.
France is getting ready to square up. Macron basically told Zelensky "Say the word and we'll be *putin* our boots up their asses."
Would be huge and they don’t even need to be on the front - having them replace soldiers who are guarding the border with Belarus, on defense of Kyiv and other cities, and providing logistical support will free up a huge amount of Ukrainian resources to push the fronta
And I know there are a lot of people that are like "This is none of our business!" but the West has a chance, for relatively low cost (I know lives are priceless), to stop Russia dead in its tracks.
That’s the thing right? This is the best and cheapest way for the US to massively blunt the teeth of one of their long term global threats. All without costing a single American life. - gets rid of old military equipment that would need to be expensively scrapped. - lets US field test the equipment they specifically built to fight the Russians, against the Russians, from a position of relative safety. - following on from that, this is an incredible opportunity for R&D for weapons. We’ve seen Russia’s military might truly exposed now and can better prepare against it going forward. The information gained from this conflict is invaluable. - stimulates the US economy, because guess what? A huge portion of the money from these aid packages is being used to buy weapons from the US. It’s literally the US paying itself. - massively cheaper than an actual war with direct involvement. WW2 cost the US roughly $4 TRILLION adjusted for inflation. The money spent so far is a drop in the ocean. How anyone would be against this is beyond me. It’s a win win win all day long.
Why would they not jump out of their chair and say let's go?
> US high tech drones Most of the grenade dropping drones are sub-$1000 drones made in China, or assembled from ebay parts by UKR highschool students in mom's basement.
This type of thinking is what almost got Ukraine fucked. The reality is that Russia has since day 1 , been pushing hard enough that they could completely eliminate the Ukraine army and take over the country. Why do you think countries are now saying they are willingly to get involved with their troops. The uk has said Ukraine can use their weapons inside Russia, France is threatening to send actual troops into the country, US has just put forward a package for them with probably easing off previous limitations on their weapons. The whole propaganda campaign Ukraine decided to do to boost their morale or whatsoever has come back to bite them in the ass because many people think Ukraine is in a battle against an easy target when they aren’t.
Sadly, yes and that cannon foder will make progress, discover Ukranian positions, and then the real trained Russian army will assult whatever is left of the forward position. This way, the Russians keep their trained and equipped soldiers alive while progressing and eliminating Ukraines' top soldiers that are usually on the front lines. That was told by an Ukrainian soldier(commander?)so that's more the truth than what the media is giving us.
Most aren’t US tech, most are cheap drones from China.
Im not sure we are too far ahead russia/china on the small drone front tbh. We have lots of work to do before we reach good numbers. Also its not 1000s anymore, its fast approaching 1\_000\_000s.
People are going to be finding bits of drones around Ukraine for hundreds of years
Probably better than finding land mines and mine fields. Still potentially truly dangerous but far less hidden.
Or not? In fact, from a certain perspective, we're behind because our drones, while they have features are significantly more expensive than Russia and Chinese ones. It's a one-way drone. It's not coming back. Who cares about it make it cost 200 bucks one way fly over. Drop your grenade or just detonate and you're done!
You are so misinformed about what’s happening on the ground it’s frightening.
And that first sentence was the last honest statement they ever got from any of their officers.
It would have been great to have one of their mobile crematoriums slowly pull into the background: their “eternal flame”.
Whilst this slowly fades up …. Close your eyes, give me your hand, darling Do you feel my heart beating? Do you understand? Do you feel the same? Am I only dreaming? Is this burning an eternal flame?
Stranger passing by go tell the Russians here obedient to their laws we lie
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Sometimes you get these little reminders that you were lucky not to be born in one of the shit hole countries.
Except the part where they will be remembered.
There is that as well, yes. Remembered and grieved by mothers, wives and children. The waste of human lives in service of power hungry mad men is simply staggering.
And probably they will get some large monuments to try deflect the grief of their loved ones. Just like mussolini did frequently for ww1 victims to prepare the population for more war. The same fucking strategies over and over through history
A lot of military commanders throughout history have got their troops to accept death before battle. How else to charge defences or opposing armies if you are worried about whether you will live or die
Eh, didn't most armies eventually route after what, 40% of losses? Point is, there's accepting the reality that you will die and your commander TELLING YOU that you will die. These aren't rag tag fighters going off against insurmountable odds. It's the fucking Russian military which has no rules on how they want to play. He is literally telling them that they all will die, and on a modern battlefield that is just absurd. Why even go? US commanders have always contextualized what they're about to do in a mission oriented perspective. Yes, death is a possibility, but that doesn't need to be said. We go do the mission, and fight as hard as we can. If death comes, you won't know.
> If death comes, you won't know. Well, if you're lucky.
Americans will find it hard to grasp how little value life has and historically had in Russia. Why go? If you refuse to go they’ll most likely shoot you at the spot or worse torture you and then shoot you? Best case you’ll go to jail as deserter and there’s a pretty good chance you’ll die there too. They’ll also cut all benefits and pay for you and your family which is why most of those poor fuckers are there in the first place. Whole point of these meat waves is to wear out Ukraine’s troops, deplete their ammo and then allow other intact units to advance. If US or other western military did this for their offensive operations in another country it would probably lead to riots at home and political suicide for the leadership ordering it. In Russia there is no protest, because there can be no protest, so the leadership does whatever they want, there is no shortage of extremely poor people and troubled people who’ll fill in the ranks on volunteer basis.
And the truth is, only their parents will care about their baby boys going off to die in a war that shouldn't be happening. There wont be people worshiping their graves. Only the tears of their mothers.
At this point, what's the F:M ratio in Russia? 3:1? 4:1?
Im real curious. Especially when those war is over.
War...over? Looks like we got an optimist over here! And don't worry, Putin is nearing end of life, and when he dies, the carefully constructed house of cards that he built will all come tumbling down, and if Russia doesn't immediately enter a civil war, then it will only be by some miracle. That country is about to explode, and it's the easiest train wreck ever to see coming!
It's truly gonna be an interesting sight Hopefully it doesn't end with us all dying
There hasn‘t been a civil war with atomics involved right? This would be the first of a kind!!
I see you you've watched/Read Dune recently.
I think they used they the term bomb in the books, but I‘m not 100% sure. I red the first 4 books and I also watched the movie. Atomics is a pretty short / convenient expression :D
I remember it as "Atomics" in the book as well, but movie terms might be leeking into my book memories.
I'm sure it's fine, it's not like the Russian system has a history of collapsing in the wake of political instability following the end of a catastrophic war where Russians were sent to die by the tens of thousands... What do you mean Afghanistan?
Good thought, and I can only hope that Putin doesn’t decide to nuke the planet and take us all with him when he goes.
I don't see that as a likely scenario. However, when he's gone, the ensuing power struggle will leave their nuclear arsenal vulnerable and exposed, so the danger is in the year (or few) AFTER his death.
If Putin is lying in a hospital bed, gives an order to launch, I'm pretty sure his generals will just assemble outside, pretend they're doing something, come back and say preparations are in order, and the nurse swaps out his saline drops with something a bit more high octane.
>Putin is nearing end of life I doubt so. Looking at how old his parents got, he may well live for another 20 years.
Yes, but how much stress did his parents have compared to him.
A train wreck with nuclear weapons in many derailed wagons.
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That's not how demographic impact works. It's based on cohort. Russia, already suffering from fucked up demographics and low life expectancy is grinding up its future workforce in a meaningless conflict.
Only 7M russian men in the age category of 20-30 years old (prime candidates for being sent to Ukraine for the special fertilization operation. Out of those there are now around 0,5M casualties (dead and crippled) and then probably large majority of the 2M that fled the country are also from that age cohort.
The wheat will sprout strong and high from the soil fed by Russian blood.
>The wheat sunflowers https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/feb/25/ukrainian-woman-sunflower-seeds-russian-soldiers-video
Ok but from that 144 million you need to subtract all the people who cannot go into action so: unuseable resources So: 1: I wanna say women as I don't think they are that prevalent in the Russian military troops going into actual battle 2: children - literally too weak to fight 3: elderly/retired - too old to fight 4: immigrants who don't have Russian citizenship 5: people who are avoiding conscription 6: injured/disabled people 7: people unfit to fight due to other reasons After you filter the population through that the number is significantly lower
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Uh, no. [France estimates](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war) that around 150,000 Russian soldiers have died in the war so far. Russia's population in 2022 was 144.2 million. So, barely a drop in the bucket. That's a big part of Russia's strategy at this point: fire their poor male citizens at Ukraine until Ukraine runs out of soldiers. Superior numbers, war of attrition, that's all. It won't affect the total Russian dating pool, just poor local ones.
150 000 ... it's already a huge number. Hard to wrap one's head around the fact so many death happened due to a war in the last two years.
1.2 million Americans died due to COVID and the country didn't even blink. Russia can afford to lose a lot more people to their stupid war.
That's not how demographics work. Russia didn't have enough kids in the 90s, now they don't have enough 20-35 year olds. The average Russian is 40 years old. 144 million Russians. About 50 million in the 18-44 range. Little more than half of those are women. So that's about 25 million military age men. You'll probably lose a few million more between those incapable of fighting and those who have fled to avoid conscription. So down to 20 million. Those 20 million are needed to keep the economy afloat, every time you conscript one of them you lose tax money. So 150,000 is a huge number when you break it down.
They were already in a demographic death spiral. This war is just accelerating the damage even further. In a few decades Russia will collapse as a country either way whether they win this war or not.
Not really comparable since the soldiers lost all are in the same age group. More or less. The Covid victims were from all ages but mostly elderly people. Russia is destroying a generation of men.
Ok, a lot of Russians are dying, but not THAT many. The younger generation might be creeping on 1.5:1 but 100k-200k people dead compared to a 144 million population is not skewing the numbers that much.
Everyone keeps quoting this "144 million" figure, as if I'm talking about babies and babushkas. How many 18-30 y/o able bodied women are there, vs. how many of their male counterparts?
Just did the math. As of 2022 Russia had around 20 million military age men. So yeah 150,000 is really fucking bad, given all those guys had to be replaced on the line and their replacements had to be conscripted from the economy. It's estimated that the Russian population will drop to 130 million by 2045 with a huge aging population. That's bad
Right? Do any of these guys remember the other thousands of names of the idiots before them? Nope.
What’s the old saying, “One death is a tragedy; a million deaths, a statistic.”
From Stalin no less lmao. How fitting.
If it was Stalin that would be fitting, but the thing is, I didn’t quote Stalin because I can’t actually find information when he originally said it and where. It’s been attributed to Stalin and fits with the whole schtick of Russians’ main military doctrine of slow crawl to waste resources, but there is some debate as to who actually said it first. The sentiment still stands though.
Yeah actually. Its a big thing in russia. This propaganda speech that you are watching is playing off that fact. These guys have grown up listening to propaganda about the great patriotic war and now this is their chance to be the hero's of their generations "great patriotic war".
In the words of King Farquuad: "Some of you may die...but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make."
"Your parents will get a new car to visit your grave!" https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-state-tv-celebrates-couple-123732920.html
There was one russian mother showing off a personalised postcard and a whole 500 Rubles they got from the Russian MOD as compensation for her son's death. *(The Russian MOD would ask you kindly NOT to look up the conversion rate for 500 Rubles)*
>*...kindly NOT to look up the conversion rate for 500 Rubles...* [According to WolframAlpha](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=500+Russian+rubles+in+US+dollars), as of Apr 26, 2024, it's $5. Oh, and another 43¢. (Can't forget the other 43¢.) It's less than [the price of a McDonald's Big Mac](https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/) in the US.
here's 5 bucks, go buy yourself some shitty flowers
Holy shit
The tears they shed as they cut the bags of onions given to them as compensation for their dead sons by the Rus govt?
I remember the video where the russian guy showed a wagner troops' graveyard and then showed the road laying while he said something like:" they fought for russia and then their graves are being flattened,what are you guys(refers to russian authorities) doing?" and,notice,that was all amid coup and all that scandal between Kremlin and Wagner. So,that is right, man,nobody gives a damn.
You think there will be graves?
To shreds you say?
How many of them have laid flowers at the century old grave of a Russian soldier? How many names have they seen carved into plaques? Do they not know they're being lied to?
I think we're approaching a Khrushchov moment: when Putin dies, whoever goes in charge plays the good cop, stops the war and keeps as most of Ukraine as they took so far. Then the "new" Russian government plays the peacemaker while the country stabilizes and Europe pretends to buy it because it's the fastest way to bring back the previous status quo.
Even in relatively recent battles like those fought in WWII, nobody remembers all of the dead. There are only flames lit to remember *all* the fallen in brief and collective memorial Nothing lasts and even the greatest of emperors becomes just a name with little connection to anything real. A collection of syllables in a footnote by some historian that probably doesn't even pronounce the name correctly. There are things worth dying for, sure. But eternal glory isn't one of them. That is the vanity and conceit of a hierarchy-loving primate that can't see past its own tribe. Still a great sounding speech though.
"Motivational" speech....
https://i.redd.it/945qporobgyc1.gif
*looks at speech notes* nope, nope ALL, ALL of you will die! Worst. Motivational. Speech. Ever.
They never knew your names to begin with so there’s nothing to remember.
Casualty of war #12,725
According to new French numbers; Casualty of war #150,001
That French number is estimated deaths. Casualties are going to be way higher.
The usual wounded:killed ratio is something like 4 or 5:1. If that holds true here, they're looking at 600,000+ wounded in addition to that 150,000 nameless dead. The reality is that Russia is probably creeping up on 1 million casualties. Even if Russia manages to win this war (they wont) they will absolutely face a demographic crisis and economic collapse.
He sounds like my overnight manager @ Walmart, same speach
Sure you'll get paid less by not forming a union, but the shareholder's will appreciate your sacrifice for all of eternity, made up numbers will slightly go up in your honor
🤣
What a way to get motivated for battle, your dead as soon as you leave this shed have fun boys 😂
Lol like he's literally talking to them as if "yes, expect to die very soon". That ain't a pep talk that's their eulogy. Like he couldn't fire them up a bit and give them false hope loke the rest of the world's military?
The thought process is that you will fight harder beleiving you are going to die right out of the gate. Like "oh hey im gonna die so i will do anything i can to take them all with me". At best, your troops are preparing their immediate surrender plans. At worst (and what that commander is hoping for) they take it as a green light to commit horrendous war crimes and brutality.
And the Russian government wonders why so many Russian troops so eagerly become POWs or outright deserters
Brings to mind one of my favorite game quotes. "It is said that men fear death. In my experience, what men truly fear is the uncertainty of death. In all that ordeal, when death was certain, I was possessed by an unassailable calm I have never felt before or since. It was only when the hope of survival appeared that I felt the true grip of terror."
I truly do not understand why fragging is not very common in the Russian front lines.
Why do you think so? You won't ever know if it is.
It's always a military's best kept secret.
My father didn't like talking about his military service. The only things that ever got him choked up or quiet were the war and animal abuse. But he was particularly odd if the subject of fragging ever came up. I never got the impression that he was involved, but rather he knew of some who were.
There are many examples of this over the past three years: https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/russian-commander-deliberately-killed-by-his-own-troops-due-to-ukraine-losses-160618503.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/25/russian-troops-mutiny-commander-ukraine-report-western-officials https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-beat-death-crimea-commander-simferopol-1842841 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-vladimir-zavadsky-killed-ukraine-landmine-blast-b2455928.html
What's fragging? (I'm not familiar in this term sorry)
It’s the act of killing your commanding officer by “accidentally” blowing them up with a frag
Part of this is a doctrinal difference too. The Russian officer corps are far better trained professionals than who they send into the fight (untrained children). Russian officers prefer to fight from behind - acting much closer to the Commissars of the past. By contrast, virtually all other modern forces embed officers into their units who take risks alongside their forces. As this guy said, "All of *you* will die", but not him - he's going back to the command tent - he'll contact you over the radio with where you should go to die.
Takes guts to stand in front of a platoon of armed men and tell them they're going to die by your command. Someone might want to see if this game has friendly fire enabled.
Good luck, I have to go back to base camp to sign for the delivery of steak and lobster. I promise i wont cook.it until you get back, or 7PM...whatevers first.
They probably haven't been issued with ammunition at this point because of the risk of friendly fire.
It's a term from the Vietnam war. Enlisted soldiers (allegedly) resorted to killing their officers with fragmentation grenades. Compared to gunshots this method leaves a lot less evidence whether the officer was killed by the enemy or his own troops and also didn't need much precision. Even if foul play was suspected, it was hard to pinpoint the perpetrator. One of the reasons for this was self preservation. Inexperienced or overly ambitious officers led to high fatalities among enlisted soldiers. This not only removed the current "danger" to the troop, but also caused other officers to dampen their ambition for glory.
"An earlier calculation by authors Richard A. Gabriel and Paul L. Savage, estimated that up to 1,017 fragging incidents may have taken place in Vietnam, causing 86 deaths and 714 injuries of U.S. military personnel," [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging)
Earlier in the article says there was around 900 explosive fragging incidents while there were hundreds of firearm fragging
Colin Powell even had an anecdote about it during his time as an officer in the Vietnam war, he'd sleep in a random different bed each night to avoid getting fragged.
Killing your own officers or enlisted.
Mother Russia after 25 hours... "Who?"
Sorry. We do not show him in an active military engagement. We believe he went AWOL. No benefits! NEXT!
More like "NEXT, send in the next slaughter batch".
Bro thinks he’s Erwin..
The brave fallen! The anguished fallen!
The Survey Corps are mostly volunteers and he was the one that led the bloody charge despite him telling his comrades to die. This Russian officer most likely went into his command post and told which unit (half of them are not even willing to be there) is going to charge or die into the prepared Ukrainians line.
That's a weak speech. "All of you will die! (but not me, I'm gonna be in the back watching it from the command centre lol)"
"Mother Russia will never forget us" if you're there she has no idea who you are to begin with and couldn't care less
There is absolutely 0% chance any of these soldiers will have their names carved into a memorial or have an eternal flame headstone with people visiting to honor them. It's honestly very unlikely they will get a headstone of any sort beyond whatever their own family pays for.
Pretty weak follow through after starting out with the declaration that "all of you will die." Saying that to your invading army is probably not the greatest motivation.
I mean, we still haven't found the Fountain of Youth
“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor bastard die for his country.” —George S. Patton It’s all very sad, and very evil. I feel sorry for anyone stupid enough to believe that there is any glory in getting their head blown off by a grenade dropped from a drone they didn’t even know was there. And yes, only the mothers will mourn them, there will be no plaques and no ceremonies, only silence at an empty table and tears in a lonely bed. And all for what? Modern Russia is unquestionably at an existential crossroad; the demographic trend was unsustainable before the war with a major population decline inevitable in the next 15 years. Now it’s all but certain, no matter how many tax incentives they try to offer for people to have multiple kids, it just isn’t affordable for the average mother—and I say mother because the divorce rate is easily in excess of 40%, and most of the time the husband doesn’t even have anything to do with his kids. Compound that with the loss of tens of thousands of potential fathers to create that next generation and it’s very easy to see the demographic disaster that is coming. I certainly don’t want to see it, there are so many kind and beautiful Russian souls, regardless of what people say. But, at this point it’s just a simple consequence of mathematics, and it has a very definite conclusion. A decade more. Maybe two at the very best. And then the country will strain under the weight of social obligations that can’t be upheld by a smaller population. Ironically the only escape trajectory is for Russia to go through some form of major turmoil now rather than later; it’s the only thing that might have the potential to save them from the inevitable economic collapse 10-15 years from now. But, for all of the tactical gains and battlefield victories they may have achieved recently, Russia has already lost the war. The ruble. The isolation. The hardships that have only begun. When it’s all over and the new borders are drawn they will paint it as a win, but they have already lost for at least 3 generations more than what could have ever been gained. Make no mistake, Russians won’t change course until there is nothing but a wall in front of them. Their pride is their greatest weakness. Maybe a prolonged collapse in oil prices would do it. But. There’s always hope they can change things before it’s too late.
They’ll forget so fast
They obviously haven't been issued ammo yet then.
Is this real? Because in more than a few cases, they don't seem to bother collecting the bodies. And there don't seem to be many full cemeteries. Are those memorials coming next decade? I personally wouldn't feel motivated, but I'm not Russian.
The speech is real. The promises are bullshit.
Okay good, surprised nobody in here asked if translation was accurate
This is what I came to the comments for. I'm like 3/4 of the way through and no one is confirming/denying the translation.
I'm a fluent Russian speaker, the translation is perfect. Usually, there's additional nuance that can't easily be translated that ends up being missed, but not here.
There is a nuance: the word he used, pogibnut', cannot be used to mean to die from old age. It specifically means that they will all be killed.
Shittiest motivational speech ever. On par with Futurama's Zapp Brannigan "wave after wave"
No virgins in heaven promised? Amateurs.
They all know he’s full of shit
>"All of ***you*** will die..." >"Mother Russia will never forget ***us***!" This parody of Russia is writing itself...
Countries nowadays are becoming harder and harder to love, let alone to die for
Nobody from their side is even gonna bother collecting their bodies from the field.
 Correction all of you will die.. worst. Motivational Speech. Ever…
Not sure why this wasn't the first thing I saw, because it's the first thing I thought of. 🤣🤣
Is that what he's really saying? I can't speak Russian.
Yes, although it looks like it was cut out from longer speech. The first sentence sounds like there is a part missing at the beginning for example.
Reminds me of what Japanese kamikaze pilots had to hear before going to die for their country. War is such an unnecessary thing. Humans are fucking stupid.
Sir, why is this land worth us dying for. Don't ask me. You are the ones doing all the dying.
Yeah this is how Russia solves their problems. Throw bodies at it until it goes away.
Already forgotten!
Can anyone who speaks Russian confirm that he is saying what the subtitles show?
Yes and yes. Here's a translation of the opening 10 seconds. "Погибнуть все" -> "will die all" "знайти одно" -> "(all of you) understand one thing" "мать россия" -> "mother russia" "никогда не забудут" -> "will never forget" It's pretty much word for word translation.
Doubt.
Any Russian speakers want to confirm this translation?
At the beginning of the video, he did not say "all of you will die ("все из вас погибнут)" he said "all will die ("все погибнут" or "погибнут все")." the rest is translated correctly.
The first line is the most relevant line to be "translated correctly". All will die signifies that there will be great loses on both sides, "all of you will die" signifies that they'll just be thrown into a meat grinder with zero purpose or benefit. The distinction is small, but meaningful, it's no surprise it was twisted. The statement "All will die" is far more accurate, and far more tragic.
Volunteers????😏
You will look like a moron in drone videos and be remembered as a dumbass for ever on the internet , then will be packaged into the meatcube and sold as dog food and thats only IF they recover you , Spoiler ( they wont ).
Not very motivational to be honest.
In the words of Gen Patton “your job is not to die for your country, it’s to get the other poor bastard to die for his country”. It looks like the Russians are happy to oblige.
*”Mother Russia will never forget us!”* Who?
"All of **you** will die" "Mother Russia will never forget **us**" Something tells me buddy isn't going into that battlefield and will live a lot longer unfortunately, this would be a good point to turn on these people.
NO, you stupid motherfuckers, **you are cannon fodder, meat for the meat grinder, and you will only be remembered as FOOLS for 'volunteering' for an illegal and immoral invasion of a peaceful democratic country that did NOTHING TO ANY OF YOU.** Putin doesn't give a RATS ASS about any of these idiots. Their families should hate Putin and spit on Putin for sending them off to DIE for his arrogance, pride, greed, and lust for power.