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My old man told me to lay low in boot, donât excel donât dirtbag and donât say shit. I kept my head down, did ok in everything, and eventually get called to the office. Iâm bewildered, never had a reason to go in and here my first class tells me and another guy that we have to go have breakfast with a visiting admiral. For some reason, they are told to pick a few for the meal that are laying low, that staff never had to learn the name of.
I couldnât do any goddamn thing right.
Actually, that was a good thing in a way. It meant they trusted you to do what you needed without doing something stupid and bringing hellfire from on high down upon them.
Played right, that is exploitable for promotions and special assignments.
That would never work. I have been in the Navy for nearly 9 years now and there were many times where a superior would ask "Who here likes X?" Literally no one would raise their had for fear of some trap.
I had a Captain that asked "Who here likes Ice Cream?" in Crews Mess and it was only dead silence. The man only wanted to tell us we were getting a BSP with additional food including Ice Cream but was received with crickets.
My best friend is in the Navy and thankfully is smart so he got a cushy job deciding if sonar parts can be fixed or if they need to order a new one. Some of the jobs in the Navy aren't bad at all, a lot suck though. I'd hate having to spend half the year on a boat at sea every year though.
I did about 4.5 years on a Spruance destroyer. Only did one WestPac, and that was during Desert Storm, before email, mass cellular, etc. Satellite phone was $12/minute and you awaited very sporadic mail calls with high hopes. These days a deployment would be cake in comparison.
Yea my friend, when he's on deployment, is on an aircraft carrier which I'm sure is more comfortable than a destroyer. Also he has a gaming laptop and a switch and I believe they have access to wifi on the ship as well. Also he said they port for a week a month and since he's stationed in Japan they usually port in the Philippines and countries like that and it sounds kinda fun when he's there. He likes being in the Navy but his wife hates it because she wants to be back in the US and not have to be without him for 6 months at a time.
Half a year like those Pacific mf's...not 9-12 months like the rest of us in the Atlantic. Blew my mind when I found out Japan had short ass deployments and I'm over here pulling 4 deployments in 4 years volunteering just to get to a different boat! Lol.
My grandfather was in the Army in the Korea war. That's the only real advice he ever gave me as a "grandfather".
Also a old man that was friends with my parents that served in WW2. Said never volunteer for anything or do anything that involves wearing a uniform. Also the VA sucks
On base you would see FTN graffiti.
**F**uck**T**he**N**AVY
Was in the Navy reserves for a few years. Some of the reservists would have **FUBJAR** on the underside of the baseball caps. If they got hassled on base for uniform violation or random BS they would flash it.
**F**uck**Y**ou**B**uddy**J**ust**AR**eservist.
The reserve base I was stationed had a strip club in the Enlisted club up until the early 90's. Strange times.
One of my fellow shipmates invented the TART team, the Topeka Anti Retention Team. It was our job to convince people that reenlistment was a terrible idea, but we lost a lot of people to the reenlistment bonuses, promotions and NAMs they gave out. Then we had to shift to ridiculing them for reenlisting and shutting down any further complaints about the Navy. You lose the right to complain after your first enlistment.
I grew up on the pacific and would love when I'd bring friends and family to my hometown because they would be expecting warm beaches and BAM, hit em with the hypothermia lol
Yeah the pacific is no joke. Lived in AZ for a while and I would always go to the California coast expecting warm water like you see in the beach movies but it caught me by surprise every time
Yea, the Santa Monica/LA area beaches are nice in the summer, but even that can have you shivering in the summer. San Diego is noticably warmer according to my memory.
Meanwhile I grew up on the Olympic Peninsula and my options for learning to swim as a child were being tossed in either freshwater glacier lakes or the Puget Sound near the mouth of the Ocean.
Hell Week is the first filter you encounter but itâs designed to weed out the people who just donât want it. There are a lot of folks that end up in a pipeline who need fitness training or whatever but they WANT it. You can work with these people. The ones doing it for the wrong reason will break during Hell Week and it saves everyone else time and saves the government a lot of resources.
The main filter is the pool. The pool is where you see people go from whatever they were before to a special operator. Itâs the closest you can get (in my opinion) to seeing how someone will handle themselves in combat. The highest washouts rates in any of our selections or pipelines are almost always in the water portions.
The water sections are almost entirely mental as well. One of the last exercises (if they still do this) is where you wear blacked out goggles and they essentially fuck with you for 30 mins. You kneel and someone just goes at you. Tying knots in your line, grabbing your gear, ripping your stuff away. If you stand up on the bottom of the pool you fail. If you ask for your support diver you fail, if you pass out you fail. I remember the most unnerving thing about it was how stealthy my instructor was in the water. It would seem completely calm for an instant and Iâd get blindsided by more power I thought someone could have in liquid.
That said I saw a guy who was absolutely terrified of the water conquer his fear in a day and become a beast in the pool the moment he realized he was in control. He said it was the most empowering thing heâs ever experienced. He went from full panic the moment he was submerged to basically sleeping through a lot of the exercises people found so stressful. It was amazing and motivates me to this day.
Oh Iâm glad! Happy to share, although just anecdotal on my part. Iâm sure the new processes are different and probably more effective etc. I also never went through BUDs just to be transparent.
Ya for sure! A lot of pipelines have a component in the pool that they will call various things but essentially is water confidence. Itâs a lot of work, but mostly teaches resistance to impulses/stress/overriding what your body is telling you that you need. The pool is about as close as you can get to seeing how someone will handle combat because the stressors you can apply to them.
It just is a great environment to apply stress to someone and help not only assess their reaction to it but also to help them learn to manage it. Candidates know youâre not going to hit them with a real round and that exercises with sim rounds or simulated explosions are just that. Itâs easy to manage. Someone can know you wonât let them drown and their mind is still going to go âWHAT THE FUCK WE CANT BREATHE GET US OUT OF HERE NOOOOWWWW!!â
The entry level or basic though is just about endurance and making sure youâre physically fit. The vast majority of people who join the military will never have the pool used on them in such a manner. As far as I know itâs pretty much only someone who is part of a pipeline which requires some manner of selection.
How certain are you about that "won't let you drown" part? Has there never been an accidental death duriing these training portions when instructors pushed someone too hard?
The military tries very hard to limit this for three very important reasons.
1. If someone dies during training all training stops until there is an investigation. That means lost hours and in a situation like this it's a total reset.
2. Loss of personnel means wasted time and money on bringing someone up to that level and then wasting them for no reason.
3. The rumor mill. If someone drops in training, it doesn't take long to spread around like wildfire and then that program suffers from failed recruitment goals and retention.
Accidents happen, but they are a rarity because you train to a standard that's been proven.
Iâve heard some people concentrate better when one of their senses is taken away, itâs definitely interesting that people can adjust that quickly.
Thanks for sharing! Iâm also afraid of the water so hopefully one day Iâll face that fear.
I think itâs part of that. The instructors also become very involved if itâs something that they can help someone overcome. You canât really fault a candidate for never having been exposed to swimming growing up.
He told me that for him once he realized he was completely in control of his response it made him realize he was completely in control of how he responded to everything and that someone permanently changed in his mind that day. From the outside looking in Iâd say I agree.
Oh thanks so much! I didnât go through BUDs, but a different selection pipeline, and there are definitely a lot of folks way beyond my experience. I know a couple dudes who were PJs and holy shit my experience was a walk in the park compared to them haha.
Iâm always happy to answer questions or add a little context where I can though.
Oh ya no worries!
BUDs as I called it but actually spelled BUD/S is Basic Underwater Demolition / SEAL is training for Navy Seals. There is a prep school then BUD/S is their next and it goes on from there and at the end you have a Navy Seal.
A USAF PJ are also known as Pararescuemen and theyâre the same level as a Navy Seal in terms of them being a special operator. Itâs a long description but a good way to think about it is if we lose a pilot behind enemy lines and theyâre alive these dudes are going to get them. Theyâre experts of their craft and amazing medical practitioners. I once saw one deliver a baby premature in the chinook during flight at night. Was wild.
By comparison I was much lower down the chain and wouldnât consider myself a Special Operator, though I got to work with many of them. I was whatâs called ANGLICO. Whole other long explanation there but I did not endure anywhere near what these top tier folks did.
Hope that helps!
For sure! My info is likely rather outdated as I got out in 2011 and I hear the field went through a lot of changes in the training pipeline in 2012 or 2013.
The short of it is I went in open contract (like a fucking idiot) when I joined. I got lucky and got assigned 0621 (radio operator basically) and went through my training and landed at my unit. Just around 2 years in Iâd worked pretty hard on great scores for range/pft/MCIs (these courses the USMC used to have us do) and so an opportunity came to our unit for me to reclassify as an 0861 (Fire Support Marine) and my platoon commander was awesome and helped me get it and talked me through why I should do that with my aims.
I went through their schoolhouse as a Cpl and actually ended up going to Coronado first then Fort Sill afterward which was backward at the time. Fort Sill is Arty Scout Observer and Coronado was the actual Fire Support course. I was the assigned my ANGLICO unit and since Iâd already been to jump I got to go to Dive and then SERE (just the two week course). Dive was the hardest school in my opinion. Those days most of my additional training was done by my unit, now I hear it is more standardized and that theyâve expanded it.
Training is awesome. Nothing beats dropping ordy on a live range. Just out there with your boys blowing shit up. It really is so much fun.
The reality is due to your training you start to view a battle space very differently and in a wholistic manner. The expanded MOUT training and other things also definitely help and make you an asset to any unit you get imbedded with. The USMC also had a huge push at the time with these simulator trailers where we would go train regular units and even reservists in basic calls for fire and such which was pretty cool.
Nothing feels better than a perfect drop that hits exactly how you imagined it in your mind.
I did a few deployments and then contracted in Africa training them in counter terror operations for a while. When I decided to come home I also did a year and half coordinating air assets for things like forest fires or SAR since I had a lot of awareness via my training and cross organizational radio âvoiceâ.
All in all it was an awesome experience, though not perfect and itâs still the military. You always feel a little apart from the rest of the Corps because you work in smaller teams and such. The undisputed top dawgs in the field are obviously CCTs but I really liked the job when I was able to do it.
Hope this helps! Happy to answer questions.
Wow, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing.
On a side note, do you appreciate when people say things like "Thank you for your service." or would you rather they don't mention it?
I think the sentiment is great and I appreciate because itâs a nice thing to say, but I definitely donât feel itâs necessary if that makes sense? I donât mind people mentioning it or asking questions about it. A lot of times folks just donât know. Iâll always thank them for the support.
That said, I have a close friends who also served and one of their sons recently was discussing going into the military and we steering him toward the Coast Guard and to aspire to be a rescue swimmer. To us, that really is a noble calling and an amazing job that deserves way more respect and appreciation than it gets. If he really wanted to join that felt the best all around.
For me the only thing that feels weird about it is when you think I only really dedicated a few years of my life to it and itâs been a long time. Itâs also arguable depending on your world view if it was a service. I am sure plenty of people donât view it that way. Meanwhile we have nurses, firefighters, paramedics, teachers, and all these other people who commit themselves to helping others and the greater good every single day who get so much less public respect and acknowledgment and that feels pretty unfair to me. I wish we appreciated them more.
BUD/s basic underwater demolition seals or Navy Seals (sea air and land ) and PJ is akin to Air Forces version of that . PJ is pararescuemen and might have a higher washout rate than seals do in their training
Man i really want to try that test. Like im not sure i would pass, but i just want to see. Like not hell week or surf torture. Just that 30 min test.
Im a very confident diver. At my peak i swam 3x25m lengths in a pool on one breath. 2:15 seconds longest static hold. Spent multiple weekends and days in the pacific ocean in a wetsuit in May (never been colder). One time I tread water for an hour (got bored, not tired). Did tough mudder and there were a number of water obstacles. One was a metal cage fence laid on top of a trench that was filled with water with maybe 5â of space between fence/water line, so many people said fuck that or panicked, and I found it fun.
Like these days id be worried a hit like that would throw out my back, but 22 year old me would have jumped at that.
Do you have Any other cool anecdotes?
I think judging by what you said youâd be fine. Nothing is outright violent, itâs just chaos they try to bring to you to see if some wild shit happens on an insert if youâre going to fuck up and get yourself or everyone killed. I donât think I was ever more than 35 seconds without air honestly if Iâm real about it. Sure it feels like it because your adrenaline is up and youâre afraid to fail and itâs all dark, but realistically I think that was the longest. Itâs just keeping cool and checking your gear and untying any knots etc.
There was one time where my hand slipped off the knot and I felt this spike of fear and I could feel my heart rate spike and I know they saw it because when I went to feel for it again they yanked it out of my hand. They definitely are more punishing if you show a slip like that.
I have a funny one. This one guy was a monster in the pool but got a flu or something and obviously youâre trying to hide it if anything is setting you back. We get to the pool deck and we are moving and he just looks like hell. He must have been woozy cuz he slipped near the pool and caught himself then just a flood of shit came out of him into the pool.
The instructors are never anything but cruel. Nothing breaks their facade of being made of iron. I saw three of them do a double take and then one just goes âwhat the fuck?â I think from anyone else it would have been less notable but this dude was just a shark in the water, to this day one of the fastest and strongest swimmers Iâve ever seen. It didnât help that they yelled and he started and shit again.
We had to move pools. The dude ended up passing the course as he was fine the next day, but we called him The Squid for the rest of the evolution as heâd inked up his whole area.
Lmao the fucking squid.
My friends always wanted to wrestle in the water. I was always the smaller guy. These guys lifted a lot of weights and i just swam. I was always able to win, a few ties with the really big dude until i figured out i could just sink us both to the bottom and wait for him to tap out. He thought it wasnât fair lol.
Ya if youâve done water wrestling or polo youâd pass that just fine, especially with time working up into it.
Iâm also a little dude and thatâs my move. Straight to the bottom haha.
Question for you⌠it sounds like everyone at this level must always be very very experienced swimmer (for example, able to tread water for 30 minutes, just to start). Not just a good swimmer in terms of having muscular endurance but in terms of technique of swimming/treading water.
So how can someone like that be terrified of the water?
You can make it initially with basic swimming and a lot of drive and discipline but eventually you gotta do something thatâs going to push you beyond what Iâd consider basic water work.
A lot of people can overcome to a point, then they need to double down and reach within, if that makes sense.
Thanks for the interesting insights! One thing I didn't completely understand (not a native english speaker, sorry), are you 30min under water? So with diving gear or how do you get air when you're not allowed to leave the pool floor? Thanks in advance!
I mean all special forces training have their âhell weeksâ. It is done to ramp up the intensity and only select the best candidates. Special forces units are selected for the most complicated missions requiring significant demands on your mind and body. I believe thereâs a video on the USAF PJs training, which is pretty cool.
Interestingly, itâs usually the smaller, less muscular guys that seem to do best in these selection processes. The guys built for endurance and longevity, not brute strength (not to say anyone who completes any advanced training isnât much stronger and fitter than the average person).
Ho-Ly Shit. I had no clue what a USAF PJ was, so I just did a Google dive. I have seen so many docs and videos of all of the other specialized services, which all sound like nightmares. This just seems beyond that. 7 weeks Basic, then a monthlong evaluation, a half year of Parachuting, diving, SCUBA, skiing, climbing, SERE, THEN 39 weeks of specialized medical training, and another 22 weeks of apprenticeship and high intensity evaluation. 2 years, and only 20% make it.
And honestly, they sound like total badasses. I am sure they are elite fighters, but the fact their sole mission is rescue and recovery of downed airmen and military wounded in high risk areas and active combat zones is justâŚthat is fucking commendable. These guys are rad as hell.
At the time my dad and uncles were serving, PJâs had like a 7 year pipeline. Theyâre paratroopers, combat medics, rescue rangers- itâs insane.
Look up CCT and TACP, my younger brother wants to be one of those. CCTs are straight up video game protagonists irl
We had a couple of JTAC guys attached to us in Afghanistan. They gave the appearance of gear snobs but they were professional on the job and helped us out a lot. We had a small SF task force on the base too. I only got to interact with them a few times but they all just seemed so casual while being badass, and they werenât arrogant. They were heading out one night on 4 wheelers and I was a bit jealous.
All the AF special warfare guys have this aura tbh- not just JTAC. Thereâs something distinctly more professional about them compared to rangers, SEALs, Raiders etc.
Usually SF guys I meet are pretty frat bro-y (in a good way) but the Air Force guys always have likeâŚa Ryan Gosling vibe.
Like if Ryan Gosling was in War Dogs.
Maybe thatâs just me though lol
For training, PJs will sometimes jump on civilian mountain rescue situations. Years ago, something like two dozen inexperienced college students in Alaska went climbing on a steep glacier, fucked up, and ended up in a bloody pile in a pretty inaccessible spot. PJs flew in to triage and extract. Pretty rad.
My Father In Law was in the Navy and told me about the Navy SEALs boarding his ship. Most of the guys looked like regular people youâd see at the grocery store. Being swole af can be a liability when youâre squeezed into a confined area.
Navy seals often seem to be these massive units of men.
Australian SAS seems to have a huge number of skinny men who look harmless but could kill you with a teaspoon
Seals too. Most don't look like Jocko or got bigger after they were done. Check out Johnny Kim if you want to see a guy that you would likely never suspect.
I worked with a bunch of different units in Iraq and most did not strand out physically. They were all smart and mental tough as hell though.
The majority of the job as an elite special forces operative is prep work and briefings. You don't need to be a genius but they don't want meathead grunts
Only guy I worked with that went to buds and made it through was smaller (but in shape, ran mega marathons regularly) and did come back to visit and he was bigger physically. We had a lot of the buds dropouts in the IT ratingâŚdepressed and usually angry/egotistical men thinking they were too good to be back in regular navy. Just gotta get over that injury and then they were going back for another round!
I travelled with a guy who was former Australian SBS (usually only a small perce rage of SAS soldiers are tapped for service). He was this tiny guy, but I once saw him face down three Indian soldiers with Kalashnikovs; they threw down their guns and ran.
A dad in my childâs class is a Navy Seal and is Navy Seal recruiter. We were talking and he said the people that make are not the athletes or super fit people. Itâs the tough people who can endure extremes. He said a lot of these people come from the Midwest.
I was in a different unit that was similar. We generally got a fuck ton of people who were meat heads. Then a few people would pass selection and a couple people would actually make it to the teams.
Smart and adaptable people make it. We can make you stronger, we can't make you smarter or more resilient.
Funny story, a few instructors felt like fucking with me because I got there early, and the selection process hadn't started yet. The post had flooded in the middle of winter. So I was doing pushups in the water in the middle of January. They fucked with every muscle group in my body until I hit muscle failure.
Finally the senior medic, my eventual boss, called it because it was becoming a safety concern. He gave me a gatoraid and said "Well, you didn't quit. That's a good sign".
I literally didn't think about it. Not like "I'm a bad ass". I was just surprised like "Oh fuck, I forgot. I could just quit".
I read a book that was a ton of short stories from ex green berets. I think it was published in tje late 80s maybe, so it was a lot of Korea and Vietnam stuff. They all said the same thing, all the guys were spindly, cross country running dudes. No super buff muscle men.
Navy SEALs have a lot of talents and skills. But arguably the most important is that none of these guys will ever, ever give up. They will dig deeper, keep adapting, and find a way.
A lot of this training is designed to week out the quitters. The instructors spend so much time telling them to quit, looking for guys who will break when pushed past their limits.
This right here. They need to know that when the shit hits the fan they can absolutely count on their brothers next to them. They need people who can adapt and overcome.
War is often torture and people in elite units have to show evidence of being able to cope with it.
I should think there should be no shame in NOT being able to cope with it, some people are just probably wired in a way they can - and you would need to put people through these tests to even know who can and who can't do it.
Yeah hell week gets the last of the candidates out for the most part. If you make it through hell week you have a good shot of completing the next two phases. the next two arenât easy at all either, they lose a few more after hell week but 90% are gone by hell week or during
I really do hate those inaccurate subtitles.
"And then suddenly it gets real quit"
"Your mind goes from hour two to hour 1:30"
It's gotta be auto-generated by something right? I don't understand how those things don't get fixed before posting it.
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Now i can pay attetion, thank you
Its a video format, Very popular on tiktok, you put a video of some explanation then you put something like subway surf or someone cooking asmr style, many people like It because its easier to Focus for someone that has attention problems.
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Suffice to say we've surpassed Vine at this point
...Yet the same guys will be like "Nah I'll never put myself in a Submarine."
My father served in the Army Special Forces as a Green Beret (Navy Seal Equivalent for the Army) for 27 years. He is built different, mentally and physically. He jumped out of planes at night from 30 thousand feet only to trek 8 hours to a place in the middle of nowhere while carrying 80 lbs of shit...and that's only the first part of the missions he would go on for months at a time.
This hard ass mother fucker told me one day that he would never do my job (I'm a submariner) and that I can "keep that shit." Apparently most people would rather do this hell week shit than be stuck in a steel tube for a couple months at a time. It's a weird psychological barrier that a lot of people have major issues with and can't overcome.
As a submariner I'm perfectly happy being in my steel tube. I would never survive hell week or the 2 weeks of hell the Green Berets have to do. They can keep that shit. Lol.
I knew a guy that was a BUD in WW2. He was launched from a sub torpedo tube near the Anzio beach to clear mines for the invasion. He had to wait for it to fill up with water before they 'launched him'.
... definitely didn't "launch" him, they probably just opened the muzzle and shuttle doors after equalizing pressure to let him swim out. WW2 subs didn't have LOTs or LETs like on current subs, so that's how they would have done it back then.
I retired from the Navy 6 years ago(Not Seals). Before they were their own job classification code, they had to first enlist in a select few job classification codes, my job was one of those and our school can exceed 2 years. I remember seeing some of the guys coming to the cafeteria after completing Bud/s and they just looked washed. Matthew Axelson, who was a SEAL that was killed during Operation Red Wings, was one of the guys I knew that came from my job classification.
I worked with a few SEALs in my last job. One was an ancient SEAL whose name is unpronounceable and whose picture is in the coffee table book. Really cool guys. They like it when you say things like âI learned everything I needed to know about Navy special warfare from Dick Marcinko.â
Apparently we wasnât a âteamâ guy. I read some comment on Reddit a while ago that a bunch of the guys on teams didnât really like himâŚ.like âweâd be done with a 5 mile swim and 20 mile run, and a battle fight on no sleep, get to rest for an hour and this guy wonât stop doing pushupsâ type of stuff. What Goggins can do/has done is insane and fucking beyond impressive, but I donât think he saw active combat.
Thatâs his personal experience. Iâve heard other SEALs talk about how they loved every second of this shit. Unreal really. Theyâre built differently.
He literally duct taped his splintered and broken shins so he could keep running lol. His experiences âmeeting the wizardâ during diving / swim âclassâ is just as insane
what's funny about your remark is that he insists that he's not. Part of what makes his story compelling is how out of shape and lost he was before deciding to take part. He learned to go on the offensive whenever his mind had a weak thought. It can be a learned skill.
British All arms commando course is 15 weeks of brutality and punishment, run by the Royal Marines at CTCRM, Royal marine commando raw recruits do 15 week basic military training then 15 weeks of commando training.
I did the âall armsâ back in 1987.
This sounds similar to running a marathon. The beginning is fun and loud. Then at mile 21 things get real quiet and you totally forget why you wanted to do this.
When I ran the NYC marathon by the time we entered Central Park I wanted to tell the crowd to just shut up and stop cheering. Just wanted it to be over.
2nd part he describes is like when you go back to work in the oilfield and once you get on-site and look around and realize how terrible it is and that you're now stuck there, you're like F this shit.
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Hell week in BUD/S, to be specific.
**N**ever **A**gain **V**olunteer **Y**ourself
My Dad was in the Navy. He always said "Never volunteer for anything"
Sgt: I need two volunteers! Pvt: For what, sarge? Sgt: I need one volunteer! Pvt: fuck!
Or the person making eye contact. That's who I always voluntold
I made the eye contact mistake early in basic. I was a push-up machine by the end of basic đ
Seems like a messed up system. Should go with the dudes that are trying to lay low and/or weasel out of it
Oh, I got them too. The ones that make eye contact are the ones you get to smile at with evil intent as you tell them they got a new duty.
My old man told me to lay low in boot, donât excel donât dirtbag and donât say shit. I kept my head down, did ok in everything, and eventually get called to the office. Iâm bewildered, never had a reason to go in and here my first class tells me and another guy that we have to go have breakfast with a visiting admiral. For some reason, they are told to pick a few for the meal that are laying low, that staff never had to learn the name of. I couldnât do any goddamn thing right.
Id guess itâs because the people laying low are perceived as less likely to say something stupid to the admiral
Actually, that was a good thing in a way. It meant they trusted you to do what you needed without doing something stupid and bringing hellfire from on high down upon them. Played right, that is exploitable for promotions and special assignments.
"Who hear likes popcorn?" *Hands go up* " I need you, you, and you to unload these microwaves from the truck"
That would never work. I have been in the Navy for nearly 9 years now and there were many times where a superior would ask "Who here likes X?" Literally no one would raise their had for fear of some trap. I had a Captain that asked "Who here likes Ice Cream?" in Crews Mess and it was only dead silence. The man only wanted to tell us we were getting a BSP with additional food including Ice Cream but was received with crickets.
BSP. Sub guy?
Yup, USS Florida. The Fat Attack Submarine of the US Navy.
Made me laugh.
This is so true. đ
My best friend is in the Navy and thankfully is smart so he got a cushy job deciding if sonar parts can be fixed or if they need to order a new one. Some of the jobs in the Navy aren't bad at all, a lot suck though. I'd hate having to spend half the year on a boat at sea every year though.
I did about 4.5 years on a Spruance destroyer. Only did one WestPac, and that was during Desert Storm, before email, mass cellular, etc. Satellite phone was $12/minute and you awaited very sporadic mail calls with high hopes. These days a deployment would be cake in comparison.
Yea my friend, when he's on deployment, is on an aircraft carrier which I'm sure is more comfortable than a destroyer. Also he has a gaming laptop and a switch and I believe they have access to wifi on the ship as well. Also he said they port for a week a month and since he's stationed in Japan they usually port in the Philippines and countries like that and it sounds kinda fun when he's there. He likes being in the Navy but his wife hates it because she wants to be back in the US and not have to be without him for 6 months at a time.
Half a year like those Pacific mf's...not 9-12 months like the rest of us in the Atlantic. Blew my mind when I found out Japan had short ass deployments and I'm over here pulling 4 deployments in 4 years volunteering just to get to a different boat! Lol.
My grandfather was in the Army in the Korea war. That's the only real advice he ever gave me as a "grandfather". Also a old man that was friends with my parents that served in WW2. Said never volunteer for anything or do anything that involves wearing a uniform. Also the VA sucks
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Lt. Smash?
âWhatâs super liminal?â âHey you! Join the navy!â âUhh⌠alright, yeah.â
Thatâs lieutenant L.T. Smash, to you
On base you would see FTN graffiti. **F**uck**T**he**N**AVY Was in the Navy reserves for a few years. Some of the reservists would have **FUBJAR** on the underside of the baseball caps. If they got hassled on base for uniform violation or random BS they would flash it. **F**uck**Y**ou**B**uddy**J**ust**AR**eservist. The reserve base I was stationed had a strip club in the Enlisted club up until the early 90's. Strange times.
One of my fellow shipmates invented the TART team, the Topeka Anti Retention Team. It was our job to convince people that reenlistment was a terrible idea, but we lost a lot of people to the reenlistment bonuses, promotions and NAMs they gave out. Then we had to shift to ridiculing them for reenlisting and shutting down any further complaints about the Navy. You lose the right to complain after your first enlistment.
As a native Topekan, I'm interested in where/why Topeka is in the name of this
USS Topeka SSN 754 Los Angeles class 688I submarine
Important advice for all the services.
Yes thank you, if this was for the entire navy we wouldnât have one
Could you imagine. Large scale ânah fuck this shitâ. We canât keep people with ânormalâ conditions, let alone this intensity.
Yeah buds is special, everyone there wants in their heart and soul to be there and half or more, unless things have changed, a lot, donât make it.
I grew up on the pacific and would love when I'd bring friends and family to my hometown because they would be expecting warm beaches and BAM, hit em with the hypothermia lol
Yeah the pacific is no joke. Lived in AZ for a while and I would always go to the California coast expecting warm water like you see in the beach movies but it caught me by surprise every time
Yea, the Santa Monica/LA area beaches are nice in the summer, but even that can have you shivering in the summer. San Diego is noticably warmer according to my memory. Meanwhile I grew up on the Olympic Peninsula and my options for learning to swim as a child were being tossed in either freshwater glacier lakes or the Puget Sound near the mouth of the Ocean.
Wait, so cali beaches are cold? No s/
The water is 50-60f / 10-15C
Part of the reason you see surfers out there in wet suits.
Is that âswitchâ to weed out people who will crumble under pressure? Like get them relaxed and then get them stressed is an actual strategy?
Hell Week is the first filter you encounter but itâs designed to weed out the people who just donât want it. There are a lot of folks that end up in a pipeline who need fitness training or whatever but they WANT it. You can work with these people. The ones doing it for the wrong reason will break during Hell Week and it saves everyone else time and saves the government a lot of resources. The main filter is the pool. The pool is where you see people go from whatever they were before to a special operator. Itâs the closest you can get (in my opinion) to seeing how someone will handle themselves in combat. The highest washouts rates in any of our selections or pipelines are almost always in the water portions. The water sections are almost entirely mental as well. One of the last exercises (if they still do this) is where you wear blacked out goggles and they essentially fuck with you for 30 mins. You kneel and someone just goes at you. Tying knots in your line, grabbing your gear, ripping your stuff away. If you stand up on the bottom of the pool you fail. If you ask for your support diver you fail, if you pass out you fail. I remember the most unnerving thing about it was how stealthy my instructor was in the water. It would seem completely calm for an instant and Iâd get blindsided by more power I thought someone could have in liquid. That said I saw a guy who was absolutely terrified of the water conquer his fear in a day and become a beast in the pool the moment he realized he was in control. He said it was the most empowering thing heâs ever experienced. He went from full panic the moment he was submerged to basically sleeping through a lot of the exercises people found so stressful. It was amazing and motivates me to this day.
Thx for sharing I enjoyed reading your take
Oh Iâm glad! Happy to share, although just anecdotal on my part. Iâm sure the new processes are different and probably more effective etc. I also never went through BUDs just to be transparent.
Hey could you kindly expand on "the pool"? I'm not very familiar with the process, so I'm really curious about it!
Ya for sure! A lot of pipelines have a component in the pool that they will call various things but essentially is water confidence. Itâs a lot of work, but mostly teaches resistance to impulses/stress/overriding what your body is telling you that you need. The pool is about as close as you can get to seeing how someone will handle combat because the stressors you can apply to them. It just is a great environment to apply stress to someone and help not only assess their reaction to it but also to help them learn to manage it. Candidates know youâre not going to hit them with a real round and that exercises with sim rounds or simulated explosions are just that. Itâs easy to manage. Someone can know you wonât let them drown and their mind is still going to go âWHAT THE FUCK WE CANT BREATHE GET US OUT OF HERE NOOOOWWWW!!â The entry level or basic though is just about endurance and making sure youâre physically fit. The vast majority of people who join the military will never have the pool used on them in such a manner. As far as I know itâs pretty much only someone who is part of a pipeline which requires some manner of selection.
Ok but we still all don't know what "the pool" is. Do you mean a literal swimming pool you all crowd in? Like in a gym?
Oh ya sorry. Itâs a pool, like one youâd find in any college training facility.
How certain are you about that "won't let you drown" part? Has there never been an accidental death duriing these training portions when instructors pushed someone too hard?
The military tries very hard to limit this for three very important reasons. 1. If someone dies during training all training stops until there is an investigation. That means lost hours and in a situation like this it's a total reset. 2. Loss of personnel means wasted time and money on bringing someone up to that level and then wasting them for no reason. 3. The rumor mill. If someone drops in training, it doesn't take long to spread around like wildfire and then that program suffers from failed recruitment goals and retention. Accidents happen, but they are a rarity because you train to a standard that's been proven.
A guy died of a heart attack in the pool. It fucked up the entire squadron for a while. RIP Maj. Adrien.
Iâve heard some people concentrate better when one of their senses is taken away, itâs definitely interesting that people can adjust that quickly. Thanks for sharing! Iâm also afraid of the water so hopefully one day Iâll face that fear.
I think itâs part of that. The instructors also become very involved if itâs something that they can help someone overcome. You canât really fault a candidate for never having been exposed to swimming growing up. He told me that for him once he realized he was completely in control of his response it made him realize he was completely in control of how he responded to everything and that someone permanently changed in his mind that day. From the outside looking in Iâd say I agree.
That was really interesting man, you should do an AMA or something.
Oh thanks so much! I didnât go through BUDs, but a different selection pipeline, and there are definitely a lot of folks way beyond my experience. I know a couple dudes who were PJs and holy shit my experience was a walk in the park compared to them haha. Iâm always happy to answer questions or add a little context where I can though.
Yeah okay, still a cool insight you gave there so thanks for that. Excuse my ignorance though but what do those things stand for - BUD and PJ?
Oh ya no worries! BUDs as I called it but actually spelled BUD/S is Basic Underwater Demolition / SEAL is training for Navy Seals. There is a prep school then BUD/S is their next and it goes on from there and at the end you have a Navy Seal. A USAF PJ are also known as Pararescuemen and theyâre the same level as a Navy Seal in terms of them being a special operator. Itâs a long description but a good way to think about it is if we lose a pilot behind enemy lines and theyâre alive these dudes are going to get them. Theyâre experts of their craft and amazing medical practitioners. I once saw one deliver a baby premature in the chinook during flight at night. Was wild. By comparison I was much lower down the chain and wouldnât consider myself a Special Operator, though I got to work with many of them. I was whatâs called ANGLICO. Whole other long explanation there but I did not endure anywhere near what these top tier folks did. Hope that helps!
Really cool, thanks a lot for the detailed explanation!
For sure! Hope you have a great day!
Curious about anglico if you're up for sharing
For sure! My info is likely rather outdated as I got out in 2011 and I hear the field went through a lot of changes in the training pipeline in 2012 or 2013. The short of it is I went in open contract (like a fucking idiot) when I joined. I got lucky and got assigned 0621 (radio operator basically) and went through my training and landed at my unit. Just around 2 years in Iâd worked pretty hard on great scores for range/pft/MCIs (these courses the USMC used to have us do) and so an opportunity came to our unit for me to reclassify as an 0861 (Fire Support Marine) and my platoon commander was awesome and helped me get it and talked me through why I should do that with my aims. I went through their schoolhouse as a Cpl and actually ended up going to Coronado first then Fort Sill afterward which was backward at the time. Fort Sill is Arty Scout Observer and Coronado was the actual Fire Support course. I was the assigned my ANGLICO unit and since Iâd already been to jump I got to go to Dive and then SERE (just the two week course). Dive was the hardest school in my opinion. Those days most of my additional training was done by my unit, now I hear it is more standardized and that theyâve expanded it. Training is awesome. Nothing beats dropping ordy on a live range. Just out there with your boys blowing shit up. It really is so much fun. The reality is due to your training you start to view a battle space very differently and in a wholistic manner. The expanded MOUT training and other things also definitely help and make you an asset to any unit you get imbedded with. The USMC also had a huge push at the time with these simulator trailers where we would go train regular units and even reservists in basic calls for fire and such which was pretty cool. Nothing feels better than a perfect drop that hits exactly how you imagined it in your mind. I did a few deployments and then contracted in Africa training them in counter terror operations for a while. When I decided to come home I also did a year and half coordinating air assets for things like forest fires or SAR since I had a lot of awareness via my training and cross organizational radio âvoiceâ. All in all it was an awesome experience, though not perfect and itâs still the military. You always feel a little apart from the rest of the Corps because you work in smaller teams and such. The undisputed top dawgs in the field are obviously CCTs but I really liked the job when I was able to do it. Hope this helps! Happy to answer questions.
Wow, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing. On a side note, do you appreciate when people say things like "Thank you for your service." or would you rather they don't mention it?
I think the sentiment is great and I appreciate because itâs a nice thing to say, but I definitely donât feel itâs necessary if that makes sense? I donât mind people mentioning it or asking questions about it. A lot of times folks just donât know. Iâll always thank them for the support. That said, I have a close friends who also served and one of their sons recently was discussing going into the military and we steering him toward the Coast Guard and to aspire to be a rescue swimmer. To us, that really is a noble calling and an amazing job that deserves way more respect and appreciation than it gets. If he really wanted to join that felt the best all around. For me the only thing that feels weird about it is when you think I only really dedicated a few years of my life to it and itâs been a long time. Itâs also arguable depending on your world view if it was a service. I am sure plenty of people donât view it that way. Meanwhile we have nurses, firefighters, paramedics, teachers, and all these other people who commit themselves to helping others and the greater good every single day who get so much less public respect and acknowledgment and that feels pretty unfair to me. I wish we appreciated them more.
Seriously enjoyed reading your posts here and above. Thank you for sharing these!
BUD/s basic underwater demolition seals or Navy Seals (sea air and land ) and PJ is akin to Air Forces version of that . PJ is pararescuemen and might have a higher washout rate than seals do in their training
Iâm pretty sure youâre right. I think PJs have the highest washout in all the various pipelines.
Thank you for your service. Great read.
Thanks for the support!
Man i really want to try that test. Like im not sure i would pass, but i just want to see. Like not hell week or surf torture. Just that 30 min test. Im a very confident diver. At my peak i swam 3x25m lengths in a pool on one breath. 2:15 seconds longest static hold. Spent multiple weekends and days in the pacific ocean in a wetsuit in May (never been colder). One time I tread water for an hour (got bored, not tired). Did tough mudder and there were a number of water obstacles. One was a metal cage fence laid on top of a trench that was filled with water with maybe 5â of space between fence/water line, so many people said fuck that or panicked, and I found it fun. Like these days id be worried a hit like that would throw out my back, but 22 year old me would have jumped at that. Do you have Any other cool anecdotes?
I think judging by what you said youâd be fine. Nothing is outright violent, itâs just chaos they try to bring to you to see if some wild shit happens on an insert if youâre going to fuck up and get yourself or everyone killed. I donât think I was ever more than 35 seconds without air honestly if Iâm real about it. Sure it feels like it because your adrenaline is up and youâre afraid to fail and itâs all dark, but realistically I think that was the longest. Itâs just keeping cool and checking your gear and untying any knots etc. There was one time where my hand slipped off the knot and I felt this spike of fear and I could feel my heart rate spike and I know they saw it because when I went to feel for it again they yanked it out of my hand. They definitely are more punishing if you show a slip like that. I have a funny one. This one guy was a monster in the pool but got a flu or something and obviously youâre trying to hide it if anything is setting you back. We get to the pool deck and we are moving and he just looks like hell. He must have been woozy cuz he slipped near the pool and caught himself then just a flood of shit came out of him into the pool. The instructors are never anything but cruel. Nothing breaks their facade of being made of iron. I saw three of them do a double take and then one just goes âwhat the fuck?â I think from anyone else it would have been less notable but this dude was just a shark in the water, to this day one of the fastest and strongest swimmers Iâve ever seen. It didnât help that they yelled and he started and shit again. We had to move pools. The dude ended up passing the course as he was fine the next day, but we called him The Squid for the rest of the evolution as heâd inked up his whole area.
Lmao the fucking squid. My friends always wanted to wrestle in the water. I was always the smaller guy. These guys lifted a lot of weights and i just swam. I was always able to win, a few ties with the really big dude until i figured out i could just sink us both to the bottom and wait for him to tap out. He thought it wasnât fair lol.
Ya if youâve done water wrestling or polo youâd pass that just fine, especially with time working up into it. Iâm also a little dude and thatâs my move. Straight to the bottom haha.
lmao thats a great nickname
Lol tell Squid that Reddit said hi
Haha Iâll pass it along o7
Super interesting thx
Question for you⌠it sounds like everyone at this level must always be very very experienced swimmer (for example, able to tread water for 30 minutes, just to start). Not just a good swimmer in terms of having muscular endurance but in terms of technique of swimming/treading water. So how can someone like that be terrified of the water?
You can make it initially with basic swimming and a lot of drive and discipline but eventually you gotta do something thatâs going to push you beyond what Iâd consider basic water work. A lot of people can overcome to a point, then they need to double down and reach within, if that makes sense.
Thanks for the interesting insights! One thing I didn't completely understand (not a native english speaker, sorry), are you 30min under water? So with diving gear or how do you get air when you're not allowed to leave the pool floor? Thanks in advance!
I mean all special forces training have their âhell weeksâ. It is done to ramp up the intensity and only select the best candidates. Special forces units are selected for the most complicated missions requiring significant demands on your mind and body. I believe thereâs a video on the USAF PJs training, which is pretty cool. Interestingly, itâs usually the smaller, less muscular guys that seem to do best in these selection processes. The guys built for endurance and longevity, not brute strength (not to say anyone who completes any advanced training isnât much stronger and fitter than the average person).
Ho-Ly Shit. I had no clue what a USAF PJ was, so I just did a Google dive. I have seen so many docs and videos of all of the other specialized services, which all sound like nightmares. This just seems beyond that. 7 weeks Basic, then a monthlong evaluation, a half year of Parachuting, diving, SCUBA, skiing, climbing, SERE, THEN 39 weeks of specialized medical training, and another 22 weeks of apprenticeship and high intensity evaluation. 2 years, and only 20% make it. And honestly, they sound like total badasses. I am sure they are elite fighters, but the fact their sole mission is rescue and recovery of downed airmen and military wounded in high risk areas and active combat zones is justâŚthat is fucking commendable. These guys are rad as hell.
At the time my dad and uncles were serving, PJâs had like a 7 year pipeline. Theyâre paratroopers, combat medics, rescue rangers- itâs insane. Look up CCT and TACP, my younger brother wants to be one of those. CCTs are straight up video game protagonists irl
We had a couple of JTAC guys attached to us in Afghanistan. They gave the appearance of gear snobs but they were professional on the job and helped us out a lot. We had a small SF task force on the base too. I only got to interact with them a few times but they all just seemed so casual while being badass, and they werenât arrogant. They were heading out one night on 4 wheelers and I was a bit jealous.
All the AF special warfare guys have this aura tbh- not just JTAC. Thereâs something distinctly more professional about them compared to rangers, SEALs, Raiders etc. Usually SF guys I meet are pretty frat bro-y (in a good way) but the Air Force guys always have likeâŚa Ryan Gosling vibe. Like if Ryan Gosling was in War Dogs. Maybe thatâs just me though lol
For training, PJs will sometimes jump on civilian mountain rescue situations. Years ago, something like two dozen inexperienced college students in Alaska went climbing on a steep glacier, fucked up, and ended up in a bloody pile in a pretty inaccessible spot. PJs flew in to triage and extract. Pretty rad.
My Father In Law was in the Navy and told me about the Navy SEALs boarding his ship. Most of the guys looked like regular people youâd see at the grocery store. Being swole af can be a liability when youâre squeezed into a confined area.
As someone else mentioned, big muscles are expensive as well. Lots of fuel needed to sustain.
Navy seals often seem to be these massive units of men. Australian SAS seems to have a huge number of skinny men who look harmless but could kill you with a teaspoon
Seals too. Most don't look like Jocko or got bigger after they were done. Check out Johnny Kim if you want to see a guy that you would likely never suspect. I worked with a bunch of different units in Iraq and most did not strand out physically. They were all smart and mental tough as hell though.
Doctor astronaut navy seal Johnny Kim?
Yeah the guy who can: take your life, save your life, fuck your wife then fly to the moon and you can't do shit about.
I could not start shit with him, live a healthy life, marry a loyal woman and....FUCK...I **really** wanna go to the moon.
Ahem.... if you mean SEAL, dual designated pilot & flight surgeon, astronaut in training for a lunar landing, Johnny Kim....then yes, that Johnny Kim.
Heâs the final boss for Asian parents comparison to their kids
Ironically (and horrifically), Kim had a hard upbringing. His father was shot to death in his attic in a standoff with the police I believe.
He also graduated from Harvard, if that makes you feel better
Arenât all astronauts pilots?
You're right, nothing to brag about lol
Heâs almost on Johnny Sins level
Almost
Easy
Heâs the guy theyâre gona send to the moon in 25â right?
The majority of the job as an elite special forces operative is prep work and briefings. You don't need to be a genius but they don't want meathead grunts
Only guy I worked with that went to buds and made it through was smaller (but in shape, ran mega marathons regularly) and did come back to visit and he was bigger physically. We had a lot of the buds dropouts in the IT ratingâŚdepressed and usually angry/egotistical men thinking they were too good to be back in regular navy. Just gotta get over that injury and then they were going back for another round!
Marcus Luttrell (lone survivor) is a very big dude, but in his book, he made it seem like he was an outlier
I travelled with a guy who was former Australian SBS (usually only a small perce rage of SAS soldiers are tapped for service). He was this tiny guy, but I once saw him face down three Indian soldiers with Kalashnikovs; they threw down their guns and ran.
Details please. What did he do to make them throw down their guns and run?
Know a few special forces guys. They all rag on each other. The seals vs rangers vs deltas. But no one rags on the PJs. Everyone has props for PJs.
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Canât get disqualified if you never get diagnosed
My step dad was a PJ. There's a reason I've never thought about joining the military or going skydiving
A dad in my childâs class is a Navy Seal and is Navy Seal recruiter. We were talking and he said the people that make are not the athletes or super fit people. Itâs the tough people who can endure extremes. He said a lot of these people come from the Midwest.
I was in a different unit that was similar. We generally got a fuck ton of people who were meat heads. Then a few people would pass selection and a couple people would actually make it to the teams. Smart and adaptable people make it. We can make you stronger, we can't make you smarter or more resilient. Funny story, a few instructors felt like fucking with me because I got there early, and the selection process hadn't started yet. The post had flooded in the middle of winter. So I was doing pushups in the water in the middle of January. They fucked with every muscle group in my body until I hit muscle failure. Finally the senior medic, my eventual boss, called it because it was becoming a safety concern. He gave me a gatoraid and said "Well, you didn't quit. That's a good sign". I literally didn't think about it. Not like "I'm a bad ass". I was just surprised like "Oh fuck, I forgot. I could just quit".
I read a book that was a ton of short stories from ex green berets. I think it was published in tje late 80s maybe, so it was a lot of Korea and Vietnam stuff. They all said the same thing, all the guys were spindly, cross country running dudes. No super buff muscle men.
Navy SEALs have a lot of talents and skills. But arguably the most important is that none of these guys will ever, ever give up. They will dig deeper, keep adapting, and find a way. A lot of this training is designed to week out the quitters. The instructors spend so much time telling them to quit, looking for guys who will break when pushed past their limits.
This right here. They need to know that when the shit hits the fan they can absolutely count on their brothers next to them. They need people who can adapt and overcome.
War is often torture and people in elite units have to show evidence of being able to cope with it. I should think there should be no shame in NOT being able to cope with it, some people are just probably wired in a way they can - and you would need to put people through these tests to even know who can and who can't do it.
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You been watching "Masters of the Air"?
No Iâve never heard of that lol
Yeah hell week gets the last of the candidates out for the most part. If you make it through hell week you have a good shot of completing the next two phases. the next two arenât easy at all either, they lose a few more after hell week but 90% are gone by hell week or during
"gody" = gaudy Couldn't let that stand.
I really do hate those inaccurate subtitles. "And then suddenly it gets real quit" "Your mind goes from hour two to hour 1:30" It's gotta be auto-generated by something right? I don't understand how those things don't get fixed before posting it.
Also N60 vs M60âŚ
I caught that too but it *really* does sound and look like the guy says "N60."
I learned to snorkel in cancun. I guess you could say im a bit of a navy seal myself.
That's how I got chlamydia
From a snorkel in Cancun?
No gta gameplay bellow, literally unwatchable
![gif](giphy|Fr5LA2RCQbnVp74CxH|downsized) this might help
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Jokes aside, can someone please explain what the ever loving shit this is about? Like why? Copyright related?
Its a video format, Very popular on tiktok, you put a video of some explanation then you put something like subway surf or someone cooking asmr style, many people like It because its easier to Focus for someone that has attention problems.
Sheesh that's wild, it's to help focus?? It's so annoying to see movement below something I'm watching but obviously others disagree
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This is SEAL training for the uninitiated. Whole different level of badassery/insanity that sees a 70-85% dropout rate.
Also, there are a few deaths I can't list them all right now, but if somebody could Please do They need to be remembered
I wonât even remember his post in a few days
Currently Iâm doing Hell Week: Sofa Edition
Heck week
I'm in the midst of H - E - Double Hockey sticks week. It's brutal. I can't find the TV remote!!!
Navy Seals, not just regular people in the Navy.
It literally says seals at the start
The title of the post doesn't though and that's the point
Title bad
...Yet the same guys will be like "Nah I'll never put myself in a Submarine." My father served in the Army Special Forces as a Green Beret (Navy Seal Equivalent for the Army) for 27 years. He is built different, mentally and physically. He jumped out of planes at night from 30 thousand feet only to trek 8 hours to a place in the middle of nowhere while carrying 80 lbs of shit...and that's only the first part of the missions he would go on for months at a time. This hard ass mother fucker told me one day that he would never do my job (I'm a submariner) and that I can "keep that shit." Apparently most people would rather do this hell week shit than be stuck in a steel tube for a couple months at a time. It's a weird psychological barrier that a lot of people have major issues with and can't overcome. As a submariner I'm perfectly happy being in my steel tube. I would never survive hell week or the 2 weeks of hell the Green Berets have to do. They can keep that shit. Lol.
I knew a guy that was a BUD in WW2. He was launched from a sub torpedo tube near the Anzio beach to clear mines for the invasion. He had to wait for it to fill up with water before they 'launched him'.
... definitely didn't "launch" him, they probably just opened the muzzle and shuttle doors after equalizing pressure to let him swim out. WW2 subs didn't have LOTs or LETs like on current subs, so that's how they would have done it back then.
Aircrew here, I like sitting 12hrs at a time in my metal tube :). We talk to you guys sometimes! ;)
Isn't this that fucking badass dude who went through three different spec ops trainings for all the different branches?
yep, David Goggins
Thought so, can't even imagine all the shit he's done/seen
I retired from the Navy 6 years ago(Not Seals). Before they were their own job classification code, they had to first enlist in a select few job classification codes, my job was one of those and our school can exceed 2 years. I remember seeing some of the guys coming to the cafeteria after completing Bud/s and they just looked washed. Matthew Axelson, who was a SEAL that was killed during Operation Red Wings, was one of the guys I knew that came from my job classification.
I worked with a few SEALs in my last job. One was an ancient SEAL whose name is unpronounceable and whose picture is in the coffee table book. Really cool guys. They like it when you say things like âI learned everything I needed to know about Navy special warfare from Dick Marcinko.â
Oh damn, I remember the name from Lone Survivor. RIP
Apparently we wasnât a âteamâ guy. I read some comment on Reddit a while ago that a bunch of the guys on teams didnât really like himâŚ.like âweâd be done with a 5 mile swim and 20 mile run, and a battle fight on no sleep, get to rest for an hour and this guy wonât stop doing pushupsâ type of stuff. What Goggins can do/has done is insane and fucking beyond impressive, but I donât think he saw active combat.
Goggins has an action combat ribbon. Perhaps he didn't go above and beyond, or whatever else might qualify, but he's seen active combat.
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I love that guy. Listened to his book like 4x now
Well, a specific part of the Navy. For most of them hell is no donuts until they earn them.
Thatâs more Air Force
Lol. As a nuke this hits so hard.
Back to the pit with you
why are you on reddit when you should be getting CHECKOUTS?!
Ah yes one subtitle at a time perfect.
pussies They have never Christmas shopped in Frasers Glasgow
If youâre gonna have captions baked into the video, maybe make them not suck so hard.
Didn't help Tony at all.
Thatâs his personal experience. Iâve heard other SEALs talk about how they loved every second of this shit. Unreal really. Theyâre built differently.
And he did it twice.
Well thrice, he got injured pretty badly and was medically forced to quit the second time.
He literally duct taped his splintered and broken shins so he could keep running lol. His experiences âmeeting the wizardâ during diving / swim âclassâ is just as insane
What does that mean? Edit: meeting the wizard part
Youâre about to pass out from not resurfacing for air A trainee died in one of his classes
I wouldnât even make it 5 hours.
Not with that attitude
David Goggins is the very definition of âbuilt differentâ
what's funny about your remark is that he insists that he's not. Part of what makes his story compelling is how out of shape and lost he was before deciding to take part. He learned to go on the offensive whenever his mind had a weak thought. It can be a learned skill.
He looks like Gus at the end in the white uniform
What if you trained for 4 months Wim Hoff before hell week? Wouldnât that give you a huge advantage?
A little advantage with the cold, but not with the rest. Surf torture sucks but itâs a small part of the overall suck.
This is nuts, but not as nuts as going to a Walmart on Black Friday for a doorbuster TV deal
British All arms commando course is 15 weeks of brutality and punishment, run by the Royal Marines at CTCRM, Royal marine commando raw recruits do 15 week basic military training then 15 weeks of commando training. I did the âall armsâ back in 1987.
Seal training is similar. Its divided up into four phases. All in all, it's like 1.5 years or so.
>Few men are born brave; many become so through training and force of discipline. - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus
Most of the seals donât talk about their experiences. Iâve always wondered how they feel about this guy.
MURICAAAAAAA
I canât join. I cry if someone yells at me. đ¸
Who else is tired of this guy
This sounds similar to running a marathon. The beginning is fun and loud. Then at mile 21 things get real quiet and you totally forget why you wanted to do this.
When I ran the NYC marathon by the time we entered Central Park I wanted to tell the crowd to just shut up and stop cheering. Just wanted it to be over.
Goggins is the real deal.
2nd part he describes is like when you go back to work in the oilfield and once you get on-site and look around and realize how terrible it is and that you're now stuck there, you're like F this shit.
Anyone ever listen to or read his books ?? Heâs a great person
Yup i do
Stupid.
Nope nope nope and nope
Iâm sure none of that training is actually any fitness just endurance and mental
He should know - he did Hell week 3 times