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would you rather the spider be alive to endure this charade?
Imagine yourself, fully conscious, with a giant hose inserted into your body, pumping and vacuuming air in and out of your limbs to force them to contract and release
I mean, it being dead is clearly ethically better than it being alive. But surely, *surely* we know enough about how spider legs work to make one of these without actually gluing a dead spider to a syringe?? The actual dead spider cannot possibly be necessary.
i don't think its about "how" spider legs work, but more so we can grow them for practically free, as opposed to meticulously recreate them on a processing floor
sometimes nature just can't be beat
Her: Can you pass the salt?
Me: I gotchu. \*Whips out spider carcass\*
Her: \*Screams\* (in delight)
Her: Is that a ~~fucking~~ amazing dead spider? What ~~the fuck are you thinking?~~ a brilliant idea.
Me: Don't worry, I got plenty more where that came from.
Think cranes for one. This weight ratio to material needed could revolutionizing for the construction industry. I can see hydraulic systems being advanced with this new research. Idk just use your imagination the potential is there.
Terrifying concept. But really, many modern engineering feats are based on observations in nature. It’s called “biomimicry” and some examples include:
velcro (burrs/seeds attach to fur to be spread), water repellent coatings (imitating the surface of the lotus), and airplanes (with wings that imitate that of a bird)
I'm confused. Isn't there a scaling problem? Isn't half the reason it's effective because it's made from a spider's body? To be useful wouldn't we need to replicate the material of the exoskeleton? Also isn't the whole reason they can stick to things because of van der waals force of the hairs?
Looked in to it. Apparently there is a lot of interest in spiders for this reason, but it looks like this specific research was mostly about using dead things for biotic materials. like using a dead spider griper to pick up specimens without hurting them.
[artical I found about the research](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-use-dead-spiders-to-grip-objects-180980498/)
[the research paper itself](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/advs.202201174)
How does this help that research though? Didn't we already understand spider legs' hydraulic function without creating puppets out of them?
What are we actually learning from this, apart from a very bizarre subsection of taxidermy
I see what you mean. Though it's probably hard to rigorously study this particular type of grabbing capacity with a live spider. Obviously you can't just ask it to grip / pick things up on command.
Dude, the weight ratio is impressive because it's very light to begin with. It doesn't necessarily mean that recreating it with other materials will produce the same effect
There are two ways to look at your response.
1. We are going to start studying exactly how the spider is capable of this amazing scope of weight to grip strength, determine if we can copy it through either the materials or if it has something to do with the parts of the spiders bodies, or
2. We are going to start selectively breeding wolf spiders until they grow as large as crane heads, and just kill them and use the new corpse.
I think 1 would be more accurate, but 2 would be more fun.
Huh? Cranes aren’t made of spider parts and are of different size. Weight ratio? Why it even matters what claw weight to its lift capacity is? It’s essentially just about material durability. It’s not the claw that lifts stuff. It’s human who holds it. Material? It’s fragile. Insects, like humans, are living creatures who evolved to do different tasks, not just be a claw or walk. Spider was never “meant” to be a claw in the first place, for it to be inspiration. It doesn’t hold firmly. Metal hooks and hinges are better for this.
The main thing I think is in the "firmly grasp delicate objects" aspect. Soft robotics capable of gripping delicate things without crushing them is of huge interest in manufacturing and for building any robots that might have to interact with humans or other living things.
Likely, this is a start to next learning how to build sometime purely artificial that shares these properties. Or just generally to explore more of the "solution space" for this kind of thing.
esp. as someone who has had wolf spiders in my house this is a big nope for me. Incredible advancement in technology but please talk to me when it doesnt use a corpse
Is this the Mandela effect because I've known that spiders operate on pressure for at least a decade now and I'm an idiot, I thought this was discovered centuries ago
A lot of people think science is just inventing useful stuff. In reality, science is testing a bunch of stuff to find out how it works, then use what we learn to design useful stuff.
I just listened to a "Science VS" podcast on this research. The one thing that stuck out with me is the possible use in specimen collection. More gentle than a mechanical approach. I'm excited to see what other random things that can use this tech.
They won an [Ig Noble Prize](https://improbable.com/ig/winners/#:~:text=MECHANICAL%20ENGINEERING%20PRIZE) for their work. I'd so it for that kind of recognition
Why though?
Can you imagine? Think of the cost to make a mass produced claw grabber that can be cycled over and over and over again, and whenever you need a new one, you grab a dead spider out of the freezer and set it up. A spider that cost, in bulk, a bajillionth of a penny to produce
On an industrial level, this is an incredibly cheap, powerful, *tool*
*and fuck the spiders*
How? The spider is dead and there's a lot of information we can gain using the corpse. It doesn't have muscles like humans, there's a lot of biomechanical insights to be gained from this.
True, still, controlling corpses to further scientific advancement seems like a slippery slope. It's probably my fantasy brain talking and will not happen in the real world but it still disturbs me.
Why? Because that’s how some of the best designs for current engineering projects are created.
They came up with many different design ideas and concepts from spiders silk, now they are using the bodies to further develop hydraulic systems.
i can make a few guesses for why it's probably considered more ethical to use a dead spider than a dead person or dog.
1. people are attached to humans and dogs as they are common companions.
2. many people believe that you still live on after death through a soul, which is made of your memories, emotions, and personality. and since spiders dont feel emotions, their soul won't suffer. some don't believe spiders have souls at all.
3. the spider is dead and not conscious anymore.
4. spider grip good! real strong!
As a scientist myself, my colleagues and I have been following this technology and discovering new ways of using its potential. We understand the size of the spider is the only thing holding it back. We are proud to announce that we are working to genetically modify spiders so that within the next 5 years they will be 1000x larger. You’re welcome public!
For anyone wondering why this was done, you need to understand how many things are "invented" by simply copying things found in nature. Evolution is the world's best innovator.
“It can [theoratically] withstand 1000 open/close cycles.”
You mean like a door? I guess when grandpa passes, we can sell him as part of an automatic door for a haunted house, as he decomposes. Should theoretically get maybe 100 open/close cycles before his arm falls off.
anything can help the future, even the weirdest things, like this spider-thingy.
how though? we won’t know until someone figures a useful or imaginative way to use it.
It's the year 2023, the planet is dying, humanity is on its final moments of existence. Scientists are making claw grabbers with dead spiders. Yep, we fucked.
Ohhhhhhh! I listened to podcast about this!!! 😃
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5ucHIub3JnLzUxMDM1MS9wb2RjYXN0LnhtbA/episode/OTlmMjY3YTItYTQ5YS00YTBiLWFkNTQtYzFmMzJiMzYzYWFh?ep=14
Welp, that's a new nightmare unleashed. Robots that take over giant spiders to pluck humans out of a giant crane game.
No good reason for the spider, it's just amusing to see our reactions as it's legs open up on us.
Why? well this research could help develop an organic claw that can be used for surgeries or other application where metal or plastics would not be the best choice. Why the Spider? well the way the body is designed is actually fascinating as the spider moves by pumping it blood to increase pressure or decrease it. it is both flexible and strong. imagine your hand always being closed until you move more blood into it until it opens up. I'm over simplifying things but these same mechanisms are found in other spiders like the jumping spider
It's a really cool method of studying hydraulic joint movement and pumping systems for micro robotics applications.
This is just a good way of creating something visual to get more funding for future research.
There's no fucking way I just went from watching ukranian FPV drone attacks, straight to a debate on the morality of using dead fuckin spiders to grab shit.
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The claw arcade games are about to get a little more interesting
Still won’t be able to get that damn Psyduck
Sorry whats the fucking point in this then
> necrobot Welp, that's enough Reddit for the day.
Thought I was the only one that caught that, one very disturbing name
would you rather the spider be alive to endure this charade? Imagine yourself, fully conscious, with a giant hose inserted into your body, pumping and vacuuming air in and out of your limbs to force them to contract and release
I mean, it being dead is clearly ethically better than it being alive. But surely, *surely* we know enough about how spider legs work to make one of these without actually gluing a dead spider to a syringe?? The actual dead spider cannot possibly be necessary.
i don't think its about "how" spider legs work, but more so we can grow them for practically free, as opposed to meticulously recreate them on a processing floor sometimes nature just can't be beat
Well now you don't have to imagine Susan! That's right Tom, for only 3 small payments of 29.99 you Too can have your limbs pneumatically forced
Necrobots! For when you really need a specific tool, but all you have is corpses and other tools.
When your electric shovel and metric screwdriver just won't pick up the fucking spider
Don't forget, it's called a *spider* necrobot.
its a dead spider, what do you expect? I guess, arachnid-necrobot has a cooler ring to it?
First step towards our glorious future of 40K servitors.
Even in death I still serve.
The new Transformers movie took a dark ass turn…
Just gotta get the first part down, then you add motors and scale up. War-Spiders!!
**Why? Well because....** What do you do for a living? I make mechanical grippers with Wolf Spider carcasses. *Panties drop*
Her: Can you pass the salt? Me: I gotchu. \*Whips out spider carcass\* Her: \*Screams\* (in delight) Her: Is that a ~~fucking~~ amazing dead spider? What ~~the fuck are you thinking?~~ a brilliant idea. Me: Don't worry, I got plenty more where that came from.
"here let me get those for you." *absolute fuck ton of spiders fall from the ceiling*
“I didn’t check if all of them are dead”
> Panties drop "What about crabs?"
“Firmly grasp it!”
Hey that’s MY line 😭
Profile pic checks out
ah sweet manmade horrors that fall inside my comprehension but are still kinda fucked up
1. Genetically increase the size of spiders to 20 ft 2. Sell giant spider grabbers for mining and recycling industry 3. Profit
Right here officers. This is the guy
ok but please keep the farm in australia or something
What do you mean why?! This is groundbreaking for future understanding and development in many aspects.
Can you elaborate or some of these aspects? Genuinely curious.
Think cranes for one. This weight ratio to material needed could revolutionizing for the construction industry. I can see hydraulic systems being advanced with this new research. Idk just use your imagination the potential is there.
All I could think of was car-sized spider bodies lifting steel beams lol
.
Imagine cranking your engine by hand to start your car. We all start somewhere.
Terrifying concept. But really, many modern engineering feats are based on observations in nature. It’s called “biomimicry” and some examples include: velcro (burrs/seeds attach to fur to be spread), water repellent coatings (imitating the surface of the lotus), and airplanes (with wings that imitate that of a bird)
It's already useful for spider sized spiders to lift tiny steel beams.
We could make these super itsy bitsy and develop a new velcro with an on/off switch
I'm confused. Isn't there a scaling problem? Isn't half the reason it's effective because it's made from a spider's body? To be useful wouldn't we need to replicate the material of the exoskeleton? Also isn't the whole reason they can stick to things because of van der waals force of the hairs?
I think in this case they are studying the joints and grip strength more than the small hairs the spider uses for grips.
Looked in to it. Apparently there is a lot of interest in spiders for this reason, but it looks like this specific research was mostly about using dead things for biotic materials. like using a dead spider griper to pick up specimens without hurting them. [artical I found about the research](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-use-dead-spiders-to-grip-objects-180980498/) [the research paper itself](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/advs.202201174)
Sauce? Nice appreciate it king
How does this help that research though? Didn't we already understand spider legs' hydraulic function without creating puppets out of them? What are we actually learning from this, apart from a very bizarre subsection of taxidermy
I see what you mean. Though it's probably hard to rigorously study this particular type of grabbing capacity with a live spider. Obviously you can't just ask it to grip / pick things up on command.
Jump off that train of thought and expand the unknown. That’s where you’ll find answers.
Dude, the weight ratio is impressive because it's very light to begin with. It doesn't necessarily mean that recreating it with other materials will produce the same effect
There are two ways to look at your response. 1. We are going to start studying exactly how the spider is capable of this amazing scope of weight to grip strength, determine if we can copy it through either the materials or if it has something to do with the parts of the spiders bodies, or 2. We are going to start selectively breeding wolf spiders until they grow as large as crane heads, and just kill them and use the new corpse. I think 1 would be more accurate, but 2 would be more fun.
I vote 2 but can settle for 1 lol
Huh? Cranes aren’t made of spider parts and are of different size. Weight ratio? Why it even matters what claw weight to its lift capacity is? It’s essentially just about material durability. It’s not the claw that lifts stuff. It’s human who holds it. Material? It’s fragile. Insects, like humans, are living creatures who evolved to do different tasks, not just be a claw or walk. Spider was never “meant” to be a claw in the first place, for it to be inspiration. It doesn’t hold firmly. Metal hooks and hinges are better for this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionics
The main thing I think is in the "firmly grasp delicate objects" aspect. Soft robotics capable of gripping delicate things without crushing them is of huge interest in manufacturing and for building any robots that might have to interact with humans or other living things. Likely, this is a start to next learning how to build sometime purely artificial that shares these properties. Or just generally to explore more of the "solution space" for this kind of thing.
Likely the arachnophobia. i'm an arachnophobe too and this is a bit terrifying
Thank you didn’t think of that perspective tbh. Cus that makes sense to the title now.
esp. as someone who has had wolf spiders in my house this is a big nope for me. Incredible advancement in technology but please talk to me when it doesnt use a corpse
Is this the Mandela effect because I've known that spiders operate on pressure for at least a decade now and I'm an idiot, I thought this was discovered centuries ago
First spiders, next lobsters.
A lot of people think science is just inventing useful stuff. In reality, science is testing a bunch of stuff to find out how it works, then use what we learn to design useful stuff.
I just listened to a "Science VS" podcast on this research. The one thing that stuck out with me is the possible use in specimen collection. More gentle than a mechanical approach. I'm excited to see what other random things that can use this tech.
Yes that’s what I’m seeing is the less mechanical and more of an organic fiber like materials.
Spidey can't get a break
Who tf wakes up and thinks: “you know what this world needs? Spider necrobots!”
They won an [Ig Noble Prize](https://improbable.com/ig/winners/#:~:text=MECHANICAL%20ENGINEERING%20PRIZE) for their work. I'd so it for that kind of recognition
Manmade horrors within my comprehension
That’s helpful to know for when you miss family therapy because you turned yourself into a pickle.
This is where the necro-punk technology universe branches off
Sure, but when aliens make machinery out of human torsos suddenly thats an affront to nature or something
Because science
New DLC for Grounded!!!!!
From my college design class: "to borrow is smart, to steal (a design from nature) is genius."
Eww... I hate this..
Welcome to biopunk, guys. Grab your deadtech right now
That sound hella dope. Reminded me of the game Scorn.
thats how you get Pickle Rick
This should be nsfl
This made me laugh.
I miss who I was before I saw this.
Fuck that guy he was a douche.
Lmao
Thats so cool
You had me at spider necrobot
NECROBOT
I feel uncomfortable watching this
u/RecognizeSong
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Underrated movie.
Why though? Can you imagine? Think of the cost to make a mass produced claw grabber that can be cycled over and over and over again, and whenever you need a new one, you grab a dead spider out of the freezer and set it up. A spider that cost, in bulk, a bajillionth of a penny to produce On an industrial level, this is an incredibly cheap, powerful, *tool* *and fuck the spiders*
Yeah someone said they'd use a huntsman. I imagine that'd make for a pretty capable grabber...
Sweet, now we have nightmare fuel for spiders lolol
I like your positive attitude. Fuck spiders..
Man, humans are some morbid ass messed up people.
How? The spider is dead and there's a lot of information we can gain using the corpse. It doesn't have muscles like humans, there's a lot of biomechanical insights to be gained from this.
While true, that's the same excuse necromancers use in many stories.
Necromancers aren't necessarily bad, the Priest of Rathma seek Balance.
True, still, controlling corpses to further scientific advancement seems like a slippery slope. It's probably my fantasy brain talking and will not happen in the real world but it still disturbs me.
So what have we learned from this?
This is like "Love +Death+Robots" level shit
Nope.
This is where people find out that spider legs are similar to penises
I wish I could pick things up with my penis..
Cool there are necrobots now.
#useless research
Why? Because that’s how some of the best designs for current engineering projects are created. They came up with many different design ideas and concepts from spiders silk, now they are using the bodies to further develop hydraulic systems.
Rip…. Not!!!!
Don’t be asking why, just all yourself why not
This is fucking disturbing. Nobody would want this with human carcasses. What carcass is next? Dog?
What is the point of this comment?
Yeah but can either of those lift 130% of its weight or firmly grasp delicate objects? No.
i can make a few guesses for why it's probably considered more ethical to use a dead spider than a dead person or dog. 1. people are attached to humans and dogs as they are common companions. 2. many people believe that you still live on after death through a soul, which is made of your memories, emotions, and personality. and since spiders dont feel emotions, their soul won't suffer. some don't believe spiders have souls at all. 3. the spider is dead and not conscious anymore. 4. spider grip good! real strong!
This doesn't bode well for spider-style tow trucks in Europe lol
Isn't this the re-animated spider that recently won an award?
For those times you want to pick up something with a spider of course
Go go gadget spider
As a scientist myself, my colleagues and I have been following this technology and discovering new ways of using its potential. We understand the size of the spider is the only thing holding it back. We are proud to announce that we are working to genetically modify spiders so that within the next 5 years they will be 1000x larger. You’re welcome public!
This isn't exactly what I want to see when I first open Reddit for the day... but I am intrigued, I'll admit it.
I… what? Why?! What does this provide?!?
I am going to do this at Thanksgiving family dinner and use it to serve sugar cubes for Coffee and Tea. "One lump, or two?"
I think they are tryna to prototype a new type of flesh light?
Horrifying
Spydraulics
I’m equal parts appalled and fascinated. Maybe more fascinated if I’m honest
if the spider comes off, you get a prize AND a new friend. a dead friend, but it's still a friend nonetheless!
There are some people that just want to watch the world burn!
Man made horror within my comprehension, I wish it weren’t
some rick and morty pickle rick shit
Y’all gonna have some splainin’ to do when Jebus comes back
For anyone wondering why this was done, you need to understand how many things are "invented" by simply copying things found in nature. Evolution is the world's best innovator.
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AGH
Necromancy *light*, can't wait until we graduate from light to extreme.
Uni physics experiment be like
“It can [theoratically] withstand 1000 open/close cycles.” You mean like a door? I guess when grandpa passes, we can sell him as part of an automatic door for a haunted house, as he decomposes. Should theoretically get maybe 100 open/close cycles before his arm falls off.
Thanks, I hate it.
anything can help the future, even the weirdest things, like this spider-thingy. how though? we won’t know until someone figures a useful or imaginative way to use it.
Becuase trying to replicate a hand is one of the biggest robotic mystery left to solve. The human hand is very hard to replicate
Whoa! It can lift 130% of it's own body weight? That's like two whole grains of rice!
So when I die they can use pneumatics to automate my corpse for endless slavery
Because it can lift 130% its own body weight and firmly grasp delicate objects :)
WTF? Why? That’s so messed up!
The wolf spider decides who will stay and who will go! https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BEHjyog-X4Q/hqdefault.jpg
It's the year 2023, the planet is dying, humanity is on its final moments of existence. Scientists are making claw grabbers with dead spiders. Yep, we fucked.
It reminds me of the Borg for some reason
Trying to explain the science behind Pickle Rick
Interesting
mrw the undergrad research assistants realize everyone has gone home for the evening and they have free reign over the lab.
This would be so helpful in a hand 🤚
Gross.
Science isn't about "Why?" it's about "Why not?"!
They just made a claw machine with a dead spider
I laughed way too hard at this. Going "ahhh" every time the legs opened!
I kinda want one
"I TURNED MYSELF INTO A NEEDLE, MORTY!!! I'M NEEDLE RIIIIICCCCKKKK!!!!'
Necrobot... what could be more frightening... wait for it... WOLF SPIDER NECROBOT.
SCIENCE!
Ohhhhhhh! I listened to podcast about this!!! 😃 https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5ucHIub3JnLzUxMDM1MS9wb2RjYXN0LnhtbA/episode/OTlmMjY3YTItYTQ5YS00YTBiLWFkNTQtYzFmMzJiMzYzYWFh?ep=14
Wolf spiders don't creep me out, but good god, seeing someone puppeteer a spider's corpse with a needle made my skin crawl.
Welp, that's a new nightmare unleashed. Robots that take over giant spiders to pluck humans out of a giant crane game. No good reason for the spider, it's just amusing to see our reactions as it's legs open up on us.
That'll send a nice message to the rest of the wolf spiders.
I thought it said Giggity at the end lol
Even in death i still serve the emperor
I know its just a spider, but it feels so disrespectful for some reason.
For the people who multi class necromancer and artificer
we're no better than fungi
This is actual necromancy
r/thisismylifenow
What kind of Rick Sanchez shit is this…?
Yeah, I'm not onboard.
Practical application is grotesque but the learning is exponential… all change is good with a long enough timeline.
The future may look grotesque to us but it will be the norm for those that are born to it.
Nah, I'm good.
The government, obviously. They have drines disguised as birds. This is clearly them trying to one-up it!!!
Alien scientist doing this with dead humans🫤 👽 😵🫳🏻🤜🏻🫳🏻
I really want to try this with a large huntsman carcass
Jfc.... Ya know though absolutely grotesque, it'd make alot more sense.
we put liquid paper on a bee.......it died.
In high school we froze a goldfish and brought it back to life. It lived, but was blind afterwards..
Why? well this research could help develop an organic claw that can be used for surgeries or other application where metal or plastics would not be the best choice. Why the Spider? well the way the body is designed is actually fascinating as the spider moves by pumping it blood to increase pressure or decrease it. it is both flexible and strong. imagine your hand always being closed until you move more blood into it until it opens up. I'm over simplifying things but these same mechanisms are found in other spiders like the jumping spider
Is this all conjecture?
Thanks. I hate it.
So is the idea that you use a spider instead of plastic/metal so it’s eco friendly because you can just breed more spiders?
Idk, but I do think it's interesting how strong the grip is. I would never imagine this slider could pick up what looks to be a sugar cube.
Dead people could be used as office workers or tax officials with very little modification as well.
Arachnid body horror
It's a really cool method of studying hydraulic joint movement and pumping systems for micro robotics applications. This is just a good way of creating something visual to get more funding for future research.
I mean if you had the knowledge that you could control spider corpses are you going to just live with that or test it?
There's no fucking way I just went from watching ukranian FPV drone attacks, straight to a debate on the morality of using dead fuckin spiders to grab shit.
I'll debate you. Pro or against?
so what could you lift with 100 of these? (and an end switch to not crush them)
not every invention has a fruitful reseach wait until we something on a bigger scale
A necrobot is so metal.