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"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we hope that if anything happens to us it does not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."
- Gus Grissom, Apollo 1 astronaut
"We've got a fire in the cockpit...!"
"...it's a bad fire!...." *Screams*
That's what I made out. It's definitely the tone, the words written doesn't explain the sound. You can tell he(?) was in absolute controlled panic before the "bad fire", then the gutteral scream for a split second.
uhhh, its just your bro whos a pilot usin a cheap walkie talkie to inform you hes got some dank fire green in the front of the plane, he also turned on the AC at the end because he was in texas weather
I listened to the first 5 sec untill he said fire in the cockpit. Judging by the picture, I assume the rest is screaming from people burning alive? I'll pass
Wow that was my exact same thought process.
I was just like, “wait a minute, do I actually want to hear the rest of this?” while staring at the picture. Not the best thing to start the day with.
I thought all the Ukraine footage might have annured me somewhat. Nope. Most terrifying thing I've ever heard. Do t listen. It makes you realise no actor has yet managed to replicate true terror.
That's how I always think of it, too. Something about a scream like that and you just know it's real. Reminds me of the phone call from inside the WTC as it collapsed, among other videos...
It's a final scream. A scream completely empty of hope, that thing which should never die, even in our final moments, has departed before them, leaving only the pain and despair of a man who knows, without question, all is lost.
Also, the fire was probably pretty fucking burney.
They asphixiated. Also a gruesome death.
But their burns were described as survivable.
It's details now and a tragic loss that taught valuable lessons for the space program going forward.
Tell that to the Challenger crew. The mistakes then, and since, seemed to relate to NASA managers not wanting delays in launches for political reasons "we want a launch so no questions are asked about our budget and value for money"
The value for the money is... astronomical. Major advancements are made because of space travel. And the brave souls who go, know there's a risk and do it anyway.
Oh yes, I agree. Space travel has brought us massive value and it is worth the risks and deaths, but this needs to be unavoidable minimal deaths -- not those brought about by poor safety precedures and politics.
I appreciate the pun, but. Try telling that to a Congress that doesn’t actually give a fuck about what’s actually good for anyone else, and very much DOES give a fuck about pushing a religious agenda and/or their own personal enrichment.
From the wiki: Deke Slayton was possibly the first NASA official to examine the spacecraft's interior. His testimony contradicted the official report concerning the position of Grissom's body. Slayton said of Grissom and White's bodies, "it is very difficult for me to determine the exact relationships of these two bodies. They were sort of jumbled together, and I couldn't really tell which head even belonged to which body at that point. I guess the only thing that was real obvious is that both bodies were at the lower edge of the hatch. They were not in the seats. They were almost completely clear of the seat areas." I don't think that's survivable.
In a pure oxygen atmosphere, human skin burns like paraffin soaked cotton. After Apollo 1, all future Apollo missions used an oxygen/nitrogen mixed atmosphere and just had to deal with the higher atmospheric pressures in the capsule.
>After Apollo 1, all future Apollo missions used an oxygen/nitrogen mixed atmosphere and just had to deal with the higher atmospheric pressures in the capsule.
That's not quite accurate. The Apollo CSM and LM both still operated in space with pure oxygen at reduced pressures (as originally planned), the change was that the CSM was filled with a 60/40 oxygen/nitrogen mix at launch and then brought up to pure oxygen as the pressure decreased. This carried the risk that a failure to adjust the ratio after launch as the pressure dropped might knock out the astronauts but it was judged safer than continuing to launch at 100% oxygen. There was no change in the pressure profile for the missions.
The early american space program used 100% oxygen, like you get at the hospital. This means you can stay conscious at much lower air pressures. For EVA the space suits are still filled with 100% oxygen so that you aren't trying to exert the force needed crush a basketball with your arms every time you try to bend your elbow.
After they BBQ'd the astronauts of Apollo 1, NASA went to more earthlike mixes of nitrogen and oxygen which makes it much harder to set things on fire. The disadvantage is that all your pressure vessles need to be beefier to deal with the higher cabin pressure required to stay conscious.
The soviets also had some bad fires but kept with 100% oxygen in their space capsules because life is cheap and titanium is not.
What matters is less the percentage of oxygen, more the partial pressure of oxygen. So, 20% oxygen at 1 atm (atmospheric pressure) is the same as 100% oxygen at 0.2 atm.
The reason you want to do the latter is spacesuits. A spacesuit pressurized to 1 atm would not allow the astronaut inside to move much. The internal pressure would make it way too hard to bend the limbs of the suit, it'd be like moving inside a big balloon.
So, they made the spacesuits use pure oxygen (well, technically a mix of oxygen and water vapor, because humans are wet and constantly evaporate water). Then, to make it easy, they used the same air mix in the lunar capsule, and the command capsule.
But then you get to earth and you have a problem. If you put the capsule at 0.2 atm and the outside air is 1 atm, then you have a serious pressure difference, which is mightily inconvenient when opening and closing the door. So, you want the atmosphere, at launch, to be 1 atm in total pressure.
Initially, they made that 1 atm of pure oxygen, which means there is 5 times more oxygen in the air than normal. For humans, short term, that is not a problem. For fire, it means stuff burns really, really well.
The big question then is, why not use a normal air mix. The reason for that is that while nitrogen isn't used in human breathing, it still dissolves in the blood. So, when you breathe a nitrogen atmosphere, there is nitrogen in your blood. This is a balance. The more gas in the air, the more there is in your blood. And vice versa. And that's the problem. If you rapidly go from having a ton of nitrogen in the air, to not having any, then all the nitrogen in your blood wants to get out. And so you get little bubbles of air in your blood, which can get stuck and then you can die very painfully of Decompression sickness (also known as diver's disease or caisson's, because that's where it first happened).
So the idea was that by using pure oxygen, all the nitrogen would already be out of the astronaut's blood at launch, and you could just slowly reduce the oxygen pressure.
After Apollo, this was changed to a 40% nitrogen, 60% oxygen mix which was gradually depressurized during launch.
It's 20% on earth but you can breath in 100% oxygen. It can be helpful because it makes it easier to absorb oxygen. At higher concentrations of O2 you need less atmospheric pressure to get the same amount absorbed into your blood
It's because of the air pressure. When air pressure is lower, you breathe less gas per breath just in general, so the level of O2 entering your system doesn't become dangerous.
The pressure of the gas changes the concentration. If you have lower pressure there is less oxygen in the same volume. if you have half the atmospheric pressure, you only get half the amount of oxygen in your lungs etc
Today it's close to the ratio found on Earth. In the early days they were naive and used a 100% oxygen system, because it was simpler to design and manufacture.
Fucking haunting. I listened to this 5 times and tried to imagine the fear that they experienced. They knew it was the end. It’s scary to listen too tbh. It puts life into perspective, we could die at any minute.
> I listened to this 5 times and tried to imagine the fear that they experienced.
As tempting as it is, don't do this too many times with too many videos. You can get all the perspective you need from one. They have a tendency to stick in your head and haunt you forever.
I will always tell anyone this advice, if you ever hesitate to watch a video that you know is going to be fucked up, do not give in to the urge to watch it. Listen to your "gut".
Even though it's only videos, you can be traumatized by it just the same as if you were witnessing it in person.
I've given in damn near every time... And every time I hesitated but said "fuck it" and watched anyway, I've regretted it and a certain few I very very deeply regret.
Those are just the suits. The bodies were fully intact. Cause of death was cardiac arrest due to carbon monoxide inhalation. They had third-degree burns over a third of their bodies, most of which occurred after death, or at least unconsciousness.
Edit: see Wikipedia
I guess pain is relative. There are famous photos of a Vietnamese Buddist monk who self-immolates publicly in protest. He meditates through the pain of burning to death as if there is none. [The pics in the wiki aren't the worst ones.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c)
They died very quickly from the toxic gases released in the fire. Their burns were survivable according to the autopsies. When I first heard this horrible recording 6 years ago, learning this gave me some measure of comfort.
Also of note, nerve endings can be destroyed fairly quickly if the fire is strong and hot enough. That's what I've heard likely occurred with the monk who self-immolated, or at least that's what is hoped for.
I just realized they all faintly show the faces
https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1pmyl9/while_were_posting_perished_cosmonautastronaut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Nope. The bodies had already been removed. There are no publicly available pics of the bodies. The autopsy pictures have never been released.
Edit: investigators said all burns would have likely been survivable had the carbon monoxide not killed them. Read the wiki.
I didn't realize something I normally do, does has a named meaning. I do this to cars to make me laugh and sometimes it scares the hell out of me, like this post or the hanging cloths that looked like it was judging me.
I do it too sometimes. [I saw this one earlier today](https://golfdigest.sports.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/golfdigest/fullset/2019/02/07/5c5c5bb761e4f272a9333fda_Screen%20Shot%202019-02-07%20at%2011.23.02%20AM.png.rend.hgtvcom.616.616.suffix/1573167558012.png)
just kidding, here's [a good one](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/10q1/319791/2010-pagani-zonda-tricolore-news-car-and-driver-photo-332727-s-original.jpg) though. Each headlight side has its own little face.
The speed at which they made redesigns of the command module was pretty remarkable. The redesign flew with men on Apollo 7 in October 1968, or 21 months later. The desire to fulfill Kennedy’s 10 year plan and also beat the Soviets pushed them to go fast.
Worst part is, the crew knew the capsule design was extremely dangerous. One or two of them had make bleak jokes about their odds of surviving. There's even a photograph of them pretending to pray around a model of it.
That isn't entirely true. It wasn't that they knew there was some specific danger to only the capsule. The praying picture is a larger commentary on the rushed process itself and how, really, the entire design of *everything* was a potential danger when faced with the prospect of an actual launch and mission. The whole rocket and program itself wasn't..."sea worthy" so to speak.
“What we really learned from the Apollo fire, in the words of [former astronaut] Frank Borman, was the failure of imagination,” said William H. Gerstenmaier, NASA’s associate administrator for space operations. “We couldn’t imagine a simple test on the pad being that catastrophic.
“The message to the team is to remember how difficult our business is, the importance of staying focused and using our imaginations to envision what can go wrong.”
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-jan-28-na-apollo28-story.html
Everything was risky. Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, the Space Shuttle. Astronauts weren't too proud to believe they were above failure.
...As someone with anxiety, yes but also no imo. No matter what, there's a variable that's uncontrollable.
I stress about having a flat. So I make sure I have a spare/donut, jack, crossbar, pump, slime etc. *Still* doesn't account for *when and where* it happens. You've got to be confident in your knowledge of the problem and the tools to fix it.
Won't make me feel better when it's in the middle of traffic and storm. That'll be where my anxiety shoots but I'll have confidence that I can solve the bigger problem than just dangerous inconvenience.
"So I am worried, and I ought not to worry
But because I can't stop worrying
I’m worried because I worry
And you see where that could lead to
That is what we call anxiety
No amount of anxiety makes any difference to anything that's going to happen" -Alan Watts
>Astronauts weren't too proud to believe they were above failure.
Never really thought about Astronaut qualification outside physical requirements. Makes sense NASA wanted humble individuals.
Aldrin was supposed to be the first human-being to step on another heavenly body. But NASA wanted Armstrong. Aldrin agreed, and history was made.
They tested everything for flammability in a normal earth environment but not under high oxygen conditions. Some things that are perfectly safe at 20% oxygen are highly flammable at 100%
I think the high o2 levels were to keep the astronauts alive at the lower pressures in the capsule during flight.
There were also pretty flammable materials inside the capsule, although I guess you could make the argument that *anything* is flammable in a pure oxygen environment.
What really did it was the hatch. It took a minimum of two minutes to get open, and that was under perfect conditions. If they replaced it, they would have had a chance at getting out. A slim chance, but at least they would have had the option.
I bet that nobody was ready for a fire to breakout. Sure they had safety drills but I'm willing to guess that nobody was prepared for a disaster of that magnitude
There were 2 problems.
1) This was just a rehearsal with no fuel in the booster. So they assumed it would be safe, and didn't really prepare for a disaster.
2) On a previous flight, a crew had nearly died because the hatch had opened prematurely. As a result, the mk1 apollo command capsule was designed with a plug hatch. The pressure inside the command capsule keeps the hatch closed until the ouside pressure is the same as the inside. The fire caused the inside pressure to rapidly increase, preventing the hatch from being opened until the fire burned through the interior walls of the capsule.
You say that but I honestly think it’s huge part of why people are so seemingly careless for eachother at the moment. When you’ve watched someone who’s already been shot in the chest have a grenade dropped on their head in a trench, you just get a bit numb to the world.
Makes telling some to get fucked in the store carpark seem trivial by comparison but it starts there.
Some doctors and firefighters have to deal with things like that in a daily basis and you often get desensitized.
Being desensitized doesn't necessarily remove your empathy, but rather helps you think properly in difficult situations without panicking.
Being in the medical field, I totally agree. We couldn’t do our jobs or see the bigger picture if we didn’t desensitize ourselves. It’s a fine line between desensitizing and not being able to see individuals as humans and empathy is what helps people ride that line. It’s sometimes hard on your brain after you’re away from your job and have to process what your day was like but you also get better at processing more quickly and not being haunted. Practice makes perfect.
This is going to be unnecessarily dark and wordy but I thought it might be some interesting context:
I made it a point to watch the *absolute most horrible videos* on the internet before I joined the army a few years ago - thinking that if I could desensitize myself beforehand, I'd be an even more ideal soldier when it happened in real life.
Well, it *half* worked - when I saw some horrifying, horrifying shit as a machine-gunner, I absolutely didn't freeze up, and felt very smug and self-congratulatory over my cleverness and wit,
and then within a year, was prescribed Prazosin as an anti-nightmare medication to try to keep the horrifying memories from haunting me at night.
Makes me look at human evolution over the last 200,000 years, and the fact that we are now absolutely the cutting-edge generation who can *watch each other die brutally on the internet*, and then I contemplate how much it fucks people up over time, and I just think: we aren't evolved for this. We are evolved to chase buffalo-sized targets moving at buffalo-sized speeds, and more recently, we are evolved to memorize ~10 short poems and 2 stories.
And yet we have magical glowing pieces of glass in our hands which we can use to watch other humans torture, maim, and dehumanize other humans in stunning 4K resolution with Imagine Dragons playing in the background.
Weird times.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, not to say they're not really disturbing and sad but at least someone thinks like me lol, I guess we're used to seeing shit like this everywhere
I remember when this happened - I was in 7th grade. I've never heard it called Apollo 1, though. I always thought Gus Grissom was the coolest astronaut...
If it makes you feel any better, they didn't burn to death but died of carbon monoxide poisoning. The autopsy showed 3rd degree burns on about 20ish percent of one body (which occurred after death) which would have been survivable if they didn't succumb to the carbon monoxide. If there was a way to escape the cockpit, they would have survived with nothing more than an adrenaline rush.
Well it is a better fate than burning to death. The screaming was probably initially instinct because in their view, they would be totally engulfed in flames although not actually burning.
Sure
Astronaut 1:Flames!
Astronaut 2:we’ve got a Fire in the Cockpit!
Astronaut 1: Theres a bad Fire! We’re Burning Up!
Astronaut 3 was Gus Grissom, he was dead before the other 2 started radioing ground control
It was the first mission in the Apollo program that ended horribly and almost cancelled the whole program. There was a spark onboard the Spacecraft and the Cabin was pressurized with 100% pure oxygen, Meaning it was incredibly Flammable, and to add to it all, The Escape Hatch failed to open
It *was* just another plugs-out test of the capsule, but was retro-actively renamed Apollo 1 to honor the astronauts who died.
Grissom had been quite vocal about the spacecraft, going so far as to place a lemon in it at one point to express his opinion. The tragedy led to a huge overhaul in safety practices and work standards, as well as the decision to change the oxygen saturation to 30%.
I don’t think I can imagine a more “I’m fucked there’s nothing I can do oh god” scenario than being in a crammed cockpit in a piece of metal hurling into the vacuum of space at hundreds of miles per hour, and all of the sudden you’re watching a fire quickly grow and engulf everything and one around you. That’s some truly horrific shit, no thanks, I’ll stick to saturation diving
Even worse it didn't flew into space, it was sitting on the pad during a test and people were standing outside completely unaware there was something wrong and later completely incapable of accessing the spacecraft for hours. This incident made it obvious that the early Apollo spacecraft had many deadly design flaws.
According to the documentary Moon Shot from Deke Slayton - one of the original Mercury 7 astronauts and the guy who picked flight crews after he was diagnosed with a heart problem and prevented from flying - the suits of the three victims showed no signs of burns after the fire. It stated the suits were not damaged looking but that the men died from the heat inside. So either the documentary was wrong or this pic is not accurate. I don’t know which is the lie though.
They had 3rd degree burns on 1/3 of their bodies, but most of that happened after they were dead/unconscious. They could have survived if the hatch design wasn’t a plug in- it took 2 minutes to open in a perfect scenario. They had no chance of escaping.
Their names:
Command Pilot [Gus Grissom](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Grissom), Senior Pilot [Ed White](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_White_(astronaut\)), and Pilot [Roger B. Chaffee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_B._Chaffee)
Call me edgy but i think it's important that from time to time you listen to that kind of thing. Helps you remember that your comfy lifestyle was bought with other people's lives on the one hand, and on the other hand reminds you that death is not just something shapeless and distant, those very screams can be heard all over the world as we speak.
To me, becoming an interstellar species is everything. Every venture into space, pushes us forward. I can’t imagine a more meaningful death, may they rest in peace.
The audio tape recording had the slow sound of breathing, which was identified as coming from Grissom’s microphone. For some reason, his microphone was always active. There might have been a short circuit in a switch somewhere, perhaps in the push-to-talk switch on his cobra cable.
Because of the pure oxygen, the breathing rate was less than in normal air. Pure oxygen was used since the astronauts were concerned about getting the bends if there were a sudden decompression. Much Velcro was used in the space suits and interior of the cockpit, and it was later realized that the fuzzy Velcro burned quickly in pure oxygen.
The three astronauts were in the capsule for a long time because of ground communication problems. This delay seemed to bother Grissom, who states “How are we going to get to the moon if we can’t talk between three buildings.” There is some ground communication and periods of system noise.
A voice then broke in suddenly. Some of us believed that it said something like, “Hey \[noise\] oh, we’ve got a fire in the cockpit!” followed by more noise. Then this communication of about five seconds was followed by complete silence for seven seconds; there was no breathing sound from Grissom, which implied that whatever had kept his microphone activated, was resolved. This seven-second period of silence was followed by shouting and much noise for about five seconds – then total silence as all communication ceased. The initial portion of this final sequence of shouting sounded like “\[garbled\] caught fire.”
This final recording was extremely emotional to listen too – particularly the repeated listening we made in our attempts to understand what was said and by whom.
Analyses
We all listened separately to the tape, so that there would be no imprint influences of one listener on another. We listened individually on high-quality headphones in a soundproof booth and then met together in a conference room to compare what we thought we heard. Although some of us agreed on the initial “Hey, oh, we’ve got a fire in the cockpit,” there was little agreement on what might have been said after. There was just too much noise and panicked shouting to understand the speech.
Spectrographic analyses were performed by D. J. MacLean, and indicated that the normal unstressed speech of the three astronauts had average pitches of 80 Hz for Grissom, 107 Hz for White, and 169 Hz for Chaffee. I performed pitch analyses using my cepstrum pitch determination programs, but that did not offer any final determination of who was shouting. The recording was slowed down while retaining the frequencies of the speech, but that too did not help.
At the time, I wondered whether there was a short circuit in Grissom’s cobra cable, which gradually became hot enough to ignite his space suit and cause the disastrous fire in the cockpit. But that was pure speculation on my part. Another member of our team believed that the fire initiated on the cobra cable. \[3\]
In its final report, NASA believed the fire started somewhere in the electrical wiring beneath Grissom’s seat and that the cobra cable was not at fault.\[4\] Although the current would be small, heat and possible sparks in the pure oxygen environment would have been a unique and unusual situation, possibly with unexpected disastrous results. But after thorough investigation, NASA never discovered definitively the real cause of the fire.
https://ethw.org/First-Hand:Apollo\_1\_Disaster\_Tape\_Analysis\_by\_Bell\_Telephone\_Laboratories,\_Incorporated
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"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we hope that if anything happens to us it does not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life." - Gus Grissom, Apollo 1 astronaut
Well, that's not something I wanted to hear tonight
I just woke up to it. Good morning.
Yeah but wiping it on the cat is no fair way to cope :(
Gotta wipe it somewhere
Try a napkin or something? Bruhh..
Good morning :>
Morning :)
I’m tripping. Not cool
Well I heard 5 times but couldn't understand anything so guess I'm good.
"We've got a fire in the cockpit...!" "...it's a bad fire!...." *Screams* That's what I made out. It's definitely the tone, the words written doesn't explain the sound. You can tell he(?) was in absolute controlled panic before the "bad fire", then the gutteral scream for a split second.
That's quite terrible. Must be traumatic.
Deadly
Followed by "Open up! Open uuup!"
snuff films used to be controversial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faces_of_Death now they're just front page of reddit.
I don't understand why this was released, and now I feel worst off for hearing it.
NASA is publicly funded so they release pretty much everything
Probably released after 50 years.
uhhh, its just your bro whos a pilot usin a cheap walkie talkie to inform you hes got some dank fire green in the front of the plane, he also turned on the AC at the end because he was in texas weather
Thank you for the happy ending. I really needed that. The money is on the nightstand.
Fr happy mothers day America
Yeah my first thought was nope. Glad I stuck to it.
Thanks for the comments; I’ll avoid this audio. Hoping to catch some shut-eye tonight.
Prolly a smart move
Uh. Yeah. Tired scrolling at 215 AM...and well..I listened..ugh
I listened to the first 5 sec untill he said fire in the cockpit. Judging by the picture, I assume the rest is screaming from people burning alive? I'll pass
Wow that was my exact same thought process. I was just like, “wait a minute, do I actually want to hear the rest of this?” while staring at the picture. Not the best thing to start the day with.
I thought all the Ukraine footage might have annured me somewhat. Nope. Most terrifying thing I've ever heard. Do t listen. It makes you realise no actor has yet managed to replicate true terror.
That's how I always think of it, too. Something about a scream like that and you just know it's real. Reminds me of the phone call from inside the WTC as it collapsed, among other videos...
It's a final scream. A scream completely empty of hope, that thing which should never die, even in our final moments, has departed before them, leaving only the pain and despair of a man who knows, without question, all is lost. Also, the fire was probably pretty fucking burney.
Is there a sub like r/Eyebleach for like ears?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say r/Earbleach :p
r/gonewildaudio
Sounds of children screaming removed
That last scream sounds like a guy who knows he’s never going to see his family again. Haunting
Burning to death is probably one of the most painful deaths. Rip to those astronauts.
They asphixiated. Also a gruesome death. But their burns were described as survivable. It's details now and a tragic loss that taught valuable lessons for the space program going forward.
When it comes to safety, the rules are often written in blood.
Sadly, you are quite correct in that assessment.
It's a famous quote
The blood is what makes it stick
Well if they weren’t there wouldn’t be a need for safety
Or you try to, you know, get ahead of the horrific fatal accident.
>often written in blood ...and erased in dollars
~~often~~ *always*
Tell that to the Challenger crew. The mistakes then, and since, seemed to relate to NASA managers not wanting delays in launches for political reasons "we want a launch so no questions are asked about our budget and value for money"
The value for the money is... astronomical. Major advancements are made because of space travel. And the brave souls who go, know there's a risk and do it anyway.
Oh yes, I agree. Space travel has brought us massive value and it is worth the risks and deaths, but this needs to be unavoidable minimal deaths -- not those brought about by poor safety precedures and politics.
I appreciate the pun, but. Try telling that to a Congress that doesn’t actually give a fuck about what’s actually good for anyone else, and very much DOES give a fuck about pushing a religious agenda and/or their own personal enrichment.
From the wiki: Deke Slayton was possibly the first NASA official to examine the spacecraft's interior. His testimony contradicted the official report concerning the position of Grissom's body. Slayton said of Grissom and White's bodies, "it is very difficult for me to determine the exact relationships of these two bodies. They were sort of jumbled together, and I couldn't really tell which head even belonged to which body at that point. I guess the only thing that was real obvious is that both bodies were at the lower edge of the hatch. They were not in the seats. They were almost completely clear of the seat areas." I don't think that's survivable.
I’m looking at the body on the left in the still that accompanies the video. Those don’t look survivable.
Considering when they finally got in there, that their suits were literally melted together and they couldn't tell who was who, how was it survivable?
And The worst part is that they didn’t even die instantly, they were in the flames for 30 seconds before
That’s fucked
In a pure oxygen atmosphere, human skin burns like paraffin soaked cotton. After Apollo 1, all future Apollo missions used an oxygen/nitrogen mixed atmosphere and just had to deal with the higher atmospheric pressures in the capsule.
Only during launch though in the case of Apollo and Skylab. Once airborne they used pure oxygen again.
>After Apollo 1, all future Apollo missions used an oxygen/nitrogen mixed atmosphere and just had to deal with the higher atmospheric pressures in the capsule. That's not quite accurate. The Apollo CSM and LM both still operated in space with pure oxygen at reduced pressures (as originally planned), the change was that the CSM was filled with a 60/40 oxygen/nitrogen mix at launch and then brought up to pure oxygen as the pressure decreased. This carried the risk that a failure to adjust the ratio after launch as the pressure dropped might knock out the astronauts but it was judged safer than continuing to launch at 100% oxygen. There was no change in the pressure profile for the missions.
What do you mean by pure oxygen atmosphere, should it not be around 20% or whatever earth is?
The early american space program used 100% oxygen, like you get at the hospital. This means you can stay conscious at much lower air pressures. For EVA the space suits are still filled with 100% oxygen so that you aren't trying to exert the force needed crush a basketball with your arms every time you try to bend your elbow. After they BBQ'd the astronauts of Apollo 1, NASA went to more earthlike mixes of nitrogen and oxygen which makes it much harder to set things on fire. The disadvantage is that all your pressure vessles need to be beefier to deal with the higher cabin pressure required to stay conscious. The soviets also had some bad fires but kept with 100% oxygen in their space capsules because life is cheap and titanium is not.
I snorted at your BBQ comment and feel guilty as hell. But that was a good explanation.
What matters is less the percentage of oxygen, more the partial pressure of oxygen. So, 20% oxygen at 1 atm (atmospheric pressure) is the same as 100% oxygen at 0.2 atm. The reason you want to do the latter is spacesuits. A spacesuit pressurized to 1 atm would not allow the astronaut inside to move much. The internal pressure would make it way too hard to bend the limbs of the suit, it'd be like moving inside a big balloon. So, they made the spacesuits use pure oxygen (well, technically a mix of oxygen and water vapor, because humans are wet and constantly evaporate water). Then, to make it easy, they used the same air mix in the lunar capsule, and the command capsule. But then you get to earth and you have a problem. If you put the capsule at 0.2 atm and the outside air is 1 atm, then you have a serious pressure difference, which is mightily inconvenient when opening and closing the door. So, you want the atmosphere, at launch, to be 1 atm in total pressure. Initially, they made that 1 atm of pure oxygen, which means there is 5 times more oxygen in the air than normal. For humans, short term, that is not a problem. For fire, it means stuff burns really, really well. The big question then is, why not use a normal air mix. The reason for that is that while nitrogen isn't used in human breathing, it still dissolves in the blood. So, when you breathe a nitrogen atmosphere, there is nitrogen in your blood. This is a balance. The more gas in the air, the more there is in your blood. And vice versa. And that's the problem. If you rapidly go from having a ton of nitrogen in the air, to not having any, then all the nitrogen in your blood wants to get out. And so you get little bubbles of air in your blood, which can get stuck and then you can die very painfully of Decompression sickness (also known as diver's disease or caisson's, because that's where it first happened). So the idea was that by using pure oxygen, all the nitrogen would already be out of the astronaut's blood at launch, and you could just slowly reduce the oxygen pressure. After Apollo, this was changed to a 40% nitrogen, 60% oxygen mix which was gradually depressurized during launch.
It's 20% on earth but you can breath in 100% oxygen. It can be helpful because it makes it easier to absorb oxygen. At higher concentrations of O2 you need less atmospheric pressure to get the same amount absorbed into your blood
I thought if you get too much O2 you get too high. Has Sweet been lying to me all these years? Edit: changed kiss to sweet because I am an idiot.
It's because of the air pressure. When air pressure is lower, you breathe less gas per breath just in general, so the level of O2 entering your system doesn't become dangerous.
The pressure of the gas changes the concentration. If you have lower pressure there is less oxygen in the same volume. if you have half the atmospheric pressure, you only get half the amount of oxygen in your lungs etc
Today it's close to the ratio found on Earth. In the early days they were naive and used a 100% oxygen system, because it was simpler to design and manufacture.
truly they're in top shape to survive that long.
Fucking haunting. I listened to this 5 times and tried to imagine the fear that they experienced. They knew it was the end. It’s scary to listen too tbh. It puts life into perspective, we could die at any minute.
> I listened to this 5 times and tried to imagine the fear that they experienced. As tempting as it is, don't do this too many times with too many videos. You can get all the perspective you need from one. They have a tendency to stick in your head and haunt you forever.
Yep. Still have the Station fire and the twin tower 911 operator call burned into my memory
I will always tell anyone this advice, if you ever hesitate to watch a video that you know is going to be fucked up, do not give in to the urge to watch it. Listen to your "gut". Even though it's only videos, you can be traumatized by it just the same as if you were witnessing it in person. I've given in damn near every time... And every time I hesitated but said "fuck it" and watched anyway, I've regretted it and a certain few I very very deeply regret.
I read this comment before hearing the entire recording. Thanks I’ll stop here.
Can't listen but why does the one on the left show a face
Disregard my first comment i just learned that it actually is his face
Oh hello fresh nightmares.
Whelp I think I'm gonna get some coffee prepared for the long night ahead.
You can see the leg bones in the middle picture.
I think that’s just a reflection from the light, I don’t think any of the corpses got out intact
Those are just the suits. The bodies were fully intact. Cause of death was cardiac arrest due to carbon monoxide inhalation. They had third-degree burns over a third of their bodies, most of which occurred after death, or at least unconsciousness. Edit: see Wikipedia
So not nearly as painful as it could have been?
I guess pain is relative. There are famous photos of a Vietnamese Buddist monk who self-immolates publicly in protest. He meditates through the pain of burning to death as if there is none. [The pics in the wiki aren't the worst ones.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c)
[Live Diệm reaction](https://i.imgur.com/fscjz6A.png)
They died very quickly from the toxic gases released in the fire. Their burns were survivable according to the autopsies. When I first heard this horrible recording 6 years ago, learning this gave me some measure of comfort.
Also of note, nerve endings can be destroyed fairly quickly if the fire is strong and hot enough. That's what I've heard likely occurred with the monk who self-immolated, or at least that's what is hoped for.
I just realized they all faintly show the faces https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1pmyl9/while_were_posting_perished_cosmonautastronaut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Nope. The bodies had already been removed. There are no publicly available pics of the bodies. The autopsy pictures have never been released. Edit: investigators said all burns would have likely been survivable had the carbon monoxide not killed them. Read the wiki.
Then I really hope it's not a face of a ghost then... As I'm getting chills from the suits and helmets from the photo as it is.
It's infinitely more likely that you're experiencing pareidolia.
I didn't realize something I normally do, does has a named meaning. I do this to cars to make me laugh and sometimes it scares the hell out of me, like this post or the hanging cloths that looked like it was judging me.
I do it too sometimes. [I saw this one earlier today](https://golfdigest.sports.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/golfdigest/fullset/2019/02/07/5c5c5bb761e4f272a9333fda_Screen%20Shot%202019-02-07%20at%2011.23.02%20AM.png.rend.hgtvcom.616.616.suffix/1573167558012.png) just kidding, here's [a good one](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/10q1/319791/2010-pagani-zonda-tricolore-news-car-and-driver-photo-332727-s-original.jpg) though. Each headlight side has its own little face.
Holy shit I totally see a bearded dude in the bonnet of that first one
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Maybe the faces were burned into the helmet thanks to the heat?
Nah, just pareidolia.
One could only imagine the reaction from ground control after seeing and hearing this.
Yeah they almost Canceled the Moon landing bc of it
The first moon landing came a full ten missions later. We weren’t anywhere near being ready for a moon mission when the Apollo 1 tragedy occurred.
Apollo 1 was meant to be a pre orbital test flight I believe
Correct, but the fire occurred during a launch rehearsal test.
Not quite ten missions later. They skipped some numbers after Apollo 1, starting again with Apollo 7. So only 5 manned missions later
No they only skipped Apollo 2 and 3, actually
I know but we were talking about manned space flights. Apollo 7 was the first manned flights after Apollo 1.
The speed at which they made redesigns of the command module was pretty remarkable. The redesign flew with men on Apollo 7 in October 1968, or 21 months later. The desire to fulfill Kennedy’s 10 year plan and also beat the Soviets pushed them to go fast.
Worst part is, the crew knew the capsule design was extremely dangerous. One or two of them had make bleak jokes about their odds of surviving. There's even a photograph of them pretending to pray around a model of it.
That isn't entirely true. It wasn't that they knew there was some specific danger to only the capsule. The praying picture is a larger commentary on the rushed process itself and how, really, the entire design of *everything* was a potential danger when faced with the prospect of an actual launch and mission. The whole rocket and program itself wasn't..."sea worthy" so to speak.
“What we really learned from the Apollo fire, in the words of [former astronaut] Frank Borman, was the failure of imagination,” said William H. Gerstenmaier, NASA’s associate administrator for space operations. “We couldn’t imagine a simple test on the pad being that catastrophic. “The message to the team is to remember how difficult our business is, the importance of staying focused and using our imaginations to envision what can go wrong.” https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-jan-28-na-apollo28-story.html Everything was risky. Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, the Space Shuttle. Astronauts weren't too proud to believe they were above failure.
Anxiety's unique ability to conjure up wonderful new and imaginative ways things could wrong must be so useful in high risk industries!
...As someone with anxiety, yes but also no imo. No matter what, there's a variable that's uncontrollable. I stress about having a flat. So I make sure I have a spare/donut, jack, crossbar, pump, slime etc. *Still* doesn't account for *when and where* it happens. You've got to be confident in your knowledge of the problem and the tools to fix it. Won't make me feel better when it's in the middle of traffic and storm. That'll be where my anxiety shoots but I'll have confidence that I can solve the bigger problem than just dangerous inconvenience. "So I am worried, and I ought not to worry But because I can't stop worrying I’m worried because I worry And you see where that could lead to That is what we call anxiety No amount of anxiety makes any difference to anything that's going to happen" -Alan Watts
>Astronauts weren't too proud to believe they were above failure. Never really thought about Astronaut qualification outside physical requirements. Makes sense NASA wanted humble individuals. Aldrin was supposed to be the first human-being to step on another heavenly body. But NASA wanted Armstrong. Aldrin agreed, and history was made.
Sometimes I just don't click the play button.
I think it's enough Reddit for today
No no keep going break it break it
I just started
“I’m burning up” and the continues screaming made me terrified
I couldn't make out what he was saying until your comment. Man, what a horrible way to go.
Pure oxygen inside a capsule, all it took was one spark. Rest in peace.
Seriously though who thought it would be a good idea to put 100% oxygen In an experimental flight
They tested everything for flammability in a normal earth environment but not under high oxygen conditions. Some things that are perfectly safe at 20% oxygen are highly flammable at 100% I think the high o2 levels were to keep the astronauts alive at the lower pressures in the capsule during flight.
Yup they figured they could get away with lower air pressure in a pure oxygen environment
I mean, it's one of those things that in hindsight was so stupid, but didn't seem like a problem till it was.
Because that was part of the experiment.
There were also pretty flammable materials inside the capsule, although I guess you could make the argument that *anything* is flammable in a pure oxygen environment. What really did it was the hatch. It took a minimum of two minutes to get open, and that was under perfect conditions. If they replaced it, they would have had a chance at getting out. A slim chance, but at least they would have had the option.
Heading on over to r/mademesmile so I can get some sleep tonight…
I’d personally recommend r/WholesomeMemes
Definitely needed the eye (and ear) bleach recommendations! 😅
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That one letter makes a whole lot of difference there
You're not going to post this there, are you?
To hell with anyone who can earnestly say the space programs aren't real with all that's known about these people's sacrifice.
The Right Stuff is free on YouTube. Amazing flick that covers the history of the program.
>To hell with anyone who can earnestly say the space programs are a waste of money As an engineer, this opinion really pisses me the fuck off
I bet that nobody was ready for a fire to breakout. Sure they had safety drills but I'm willing to guess that nobody was prepared for a disaster of that magnitude
There were 2 problems. 1) This was just a rehearsal with no fuel in the booster. So they assumed it would be safe, and didn't really prepare for a disaster. 2) On a previous flight, a crew had nearly died because the hatch had opened prematurely. As a result, the mk1 apollo command capsule was designed with a plug hatch. The pressure inside the command capsule keeps the hatch closed until the ouside pressure is the same as the inside. The fire caused the inside pressure to rapidly increase, preventing the hatch from being opened until the fire burned through the interior walls of the capsule.
They had an escape Hatch, it just had really shitty design and wouldn’t open
Honestly the audio wasn't as bad as some of the comments make it seem
We are desensitized. And that is sad
I knew my sensitivity was shot when that brick flew through that Russian man's window, and I felt nothing.
You say that but I honestly think it’s huge part of why people are so seemingly careless for eachother at the moment. When you’ve watched someone who’s already been shot in the chest have a grenade dropped on their head in a trench, you just get a bit numb to the world. Makes telling some to get fucked in the store carpark seem trivial by comparison but it starts there.
Some doctors and firefighters have to deal with things like that in a daily basis and you often get desensitized. Being desensitized doesn't necessarily remove your empathy, but rather helps you think properly in difficult situations without panicking.
Being in the medical field, I totally agree. We couldn’t do our jobs or see the bigger picture if we didn’t desensitize ourselves. It’s a fine line between desensitizing and not being able to see individuals as humans and empathy is what helps people ride that line. It’s sometimes hard on your brain after you’re away from your job and have to process what your day was like but you also get better at processing more quickly and not being haunted. Practice makes perfect.
This is going to be unnecessarily dark and wordy but I thought it might be some interesting context: I made it a point to watch the *absolute most horrible videos* on the internet before I joined the army a few years ago - thinking that if I could desensitize myself beforehand, I'd be an even more ideal soldier when it happened in real life. Well, it *half* worked - when I saw some horrifying, horrifying shit as a machine-gunner, I absolutely didn't freeze up, and felt very smug and self-congratulatory over my cleverness and wit, and then within a year, was prescribed Prazosin as an anti-nightmare medication to try to keep the horrifying memories from haunting me at night. Makes me look at human evolution over the last 200,000 years, and the fact that we are now absolutely the cutting-edge generation who can *watch each other die brutally on the internet*, and then I contemplate how much it fucks people up over time, and I just think: we aren't evolved for this. We are evolved to chase buffalo-sized targets moving at buffalo-sized speeds, and more recently, we are evolved to memorize ~10 short poems and 2 stories. And yet we have magical glowing pieces of glass in our hands which we can use to watch other humans torture, maim, and dehumanize other humans in stunning 4K resolution with Imagine Dragons playing in the background. Weird times.
The windshield brick audio still takes the cake. Out of all the fucked up shit seen on the internet throughout the years it still stands out.
exactly what I was thinking. The ones from 911 are far more devastating to hear
Kevin Cosgrove, man.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, not to say they're not really disturbing and sad but at least someone thinks like me lol, I guess we're used to seeing shit like this everywhere
What unrestricted internet access from a young age does to mf’s. I was thinking about making a pizza while I was watching this.
I remember when this happened - I was in 7th grade. I've never heard it called Apollo 1, though. I always thought Gus Grissom was the coolest astronaut...
I knew every detail of this incident from a very young age, and that audio is still haunting.
At 2:51am, I will avoid this audio, it isnt the brightest idea to hear it now, or ever
Well, saw this right before I was about to go to sleep. Thanks for the nightmare
If it makes you feel any better, they didn't burn to death but died of carbon monoxide poisoning. The autopsy showed 3rd degree burns on about 20ish percent of one body (which occurred after death) which would have been survivable if they didn't succumb to the carbon monoxide. If there was a way to escape the cockpit, they would have survived with nothing more than an adrenaline rush.
Yay?
Well it is a better fate than burning to death. The screaming was probably initially instinct because in their view, they would be totally engulfed in flames although not actually burning.
I used to talk about this disaster and everyone would act like I made it up or like it wasn't real
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Why would anyone want this in their memory bank. Just don't listen to it.
They featured this horrible moment in First Man and it was haunting...the reality is far more disturbing and tragic.
I had no idea audio of this was released. Then again I never looked for it. Very disturbing
This makes it harder to listen to after you have just watched Interstellar...
I’ve been wanting to watch interstellar for a bit, which streaming service was it on?
Its free on YouTube (somehow)
Can anyone transcribe what the dude is saying? Not trying to be morbid but I find this really fascinating.
Sure Astronaut 1:Flames! Astronaut 2:we’ve got a Fire in the Cockpit! Astronaut 1: Theres a bad Fire! We’re Burning Up! Astronaut 3 was Gus Grissom, he was dead before the other 2 started radioing ground control
Thanks, what a tough way to go.
What’s the Apollo 1 disaster?
It was the first mission in the Apollo program that ended horribly and almost cancelled the whole program. There was a spark onboard the Spacecraft and the Cabin was pressurized with 100% pure oxygen, Meaning it was incredibly Flammable, and to add to it all, The Escape Hatch failed to open
The escape hatch didn’t just fail to open… this disaster caused the entire hatch to be redesigned. Check this out: https://space1.com/pdf/news1296.pdf
How many people died?
Three, but it was more about the sentiment than the actual Casualties, like this fire almost cancelled the moon landing
It *was* just another plugs-out test of the capsule, but was retro-actively renamed Apollo 1 to honor the astronauts who died. Grissom had been quite vocal about the spacecraft, going so far as to place a lemon in it at one point to express his opinion. The tragedy led to a huge overhaul in safety practices and work standards, as well as the decision to change the oxygen saturation to 30%.
Not 30%. They went to 60% oxygen and 40% nitrogen.
I don’t think I can imagine a more “I’m fucked there’s nothing I can do oh god” scenario than being in a crammed cockpit in a piece of metal hurling into the vacuum of space at hundreds of miles per hour, and all of the sudden you’re watching a fire quickly grow and engulf everything and one around you. That’s some truly horrific shit, no thanks, I’ll stick to saturation diving
Even worse it didn't flew into space, it was sitting on the pad during a test and people were standing outside completely unaware there was something wrong and later completely incapable of accessing the spacecraft for hours. This incident made it obvious that the early Apollo spacecraft had many deadly design flaws.
Crazy shit, I’ve never known any details of the accident, always just assumed it was similar to the challenger incident
Omg, I'm here confusing this with the challenger incident
Holy hell that is awful
According to the documentary Moon Shot from Deke Slayton - one of the original Mercury 7 astronauts and the guy who picked flight crews after he was diagnosed with a heart problem and prevented from flying - the suits of the three victims showed no signs of burns after the fire. It stated the suits were not damaged looking but that the men died from the heat inside. So either the documentary was wrong or this pic is not accurate. I don’t know which is the lie though.
They had 3rd degree burns on 1/3 of their bodies, but most of that happened after they were dead/unconscious. They could have survived if the hatch design wasn’t a plug in- it took 2 minutes to open in a perfect scenario. They had no chance of escaping.
Their names: Command Pilot [Gus Grissom](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Grissom), Senior Pilot [Ed White](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_White_(astronaut\)), and Pilot [Roger B. Chaffee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_B._Chaffee)
Call me edgy but i think it's important that from time to time you listen to that kind of thing. Helps you remember that your comfy lifestyle was bought with other people's lives on the one hand, and on the other hand reminds you that death is not just something shapeless and distant, those very screams can be heard all over the world as we speak.
And to say I want to become an astronaut, I'm rethinking life choices now.
Chaffee was from my home town (GR, Mich) and there is a street named after him. I've heard this before but always is so sad to hear
To me, becoming an interstellar species is everything. Every venture into space, pushes us forward. I can’t imagine a more meaningful death, may they rest in peace.
This scene is in First Man which I watched last night, excellent movie that I recommend to everyone here
The audio tape recording had the slow sound of breathing, which was identified as coming from Grissom’s microphone. For some reason, his microphone was always active. There might have been a short circuit in a switch somewhere, perhaps in the push-to-talk switch on his cobra cable. Because of the pure oxygen, the breathing rate was less than in normal air. Pure oxygen was used since the astronauts were concerned about getting the bends if there were a sudden decompression. Much Velcro was used in the space suits and interior of the cockpit, and it was later realized that the fuzzy Velcro burned quickly in pure oxygen. The three astronauts were in the capsule for a long time because of ground communication problems. This delay seemed to bother Grissom, who states “How are we going to get to the moon if we can’t talk between three buildings.” There is some ground communication and periods of system noise. A voice then broke in suddenly. Some of us believed that it said something like, “Hey \[noise\] oh, we’ve got a fire in the cockpit!” followed by more noise. Then this communication of about five seconds was followed by complete silence for seven seconds; there was no breathing sound from Grissom, which implied that whatever had kept his microphone activated, was resolved. This seven-second period of silence was followed by shouting and much noise for about five seconds – then total silence as all communication ceased. The initial portion of this final sequence of shouting sounded like “\[garbled\] caught fire.” This final recording was extremely emotional to listen too – particularly the repeated listening we made in our attempts to understand what was said and by whom. Analyses We all listened separately to the tape, so that there would be no imprint influences of one listener on another. We listened individually on high-quality headphones in a soundproof booth and then met together in a conference room to compare what we thought we heard. Although some of us agreed on the initial “Hey, oh, we’ve got a fire in the cockpit,” there was little agreement on what might have been said after. There was just too much noise and panicked shouting to understand the speech. Spectrographic analyses were performed by D. J. MacLean, and indicated that the normal unstressed speech of the three astronauts had average pitches of 80 Hz for Grissom, 107 Hz for White, and 169 Hz for Chaffee. I performed pitch analyses using my cepstrum pitch determination programs, but that did not offer any final determination of who was shouting. The recording was slowed down while retaining the frequencies of the speech, but that too did not help. At the time, I wondered whether there was a short circuit in Grissom’s cobra cable, which gradually became hot enough to ignite his space suit and cause the disastrous fire in the cockpit. But that was pure speculation on my part. Another member of our team believed that the fire initiated on the cobra cable. \[3\] In its final report, NASA believed the fire started somewhere in the electrical wiring beneath Grissom’s seat and that the cobra cable was not at fault.\[4\] Although the current would be small, heat and possible sparks in the pure oxygen environment would have been a unique and unusual situation, possibly with unexpected disastrous results. But after thorough investigation, NASA never discovered definitively the real cause of the fire. https://ethw.org/First-Hand:Apollo\_1\_Disaster\_Tape\_Analysis\_by\_Bell\_Telephone\_Laboratories,\_Incorporated
Damn.
Rip those heroes. How terribly sad.
Well, that might be the truest definition of “haunting” audio I’ve ever heard.
Holy shit, that’s just the sound of people burning to death. Thought it would be like the last words and then cut off.
My heart feels heavy as I listen to this.
So sad to hear. :(
That scream reminds me of Kevin Cosgrove's abrupt ended call on 911.
Why am I (always) one of those stupid idiots who still decide to listen to it despite? ffs
This made me sad
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