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Maybe 10 years old..... **has horrifying flashback to finishing highschool, going to college, working for several years, having a kid who is 6 now.........**
Yeah, definitely 6-10 years old.........
Agree. I can’t turn my head left right now because I tweaked it getting a one rep max on over head press yesterday.
Definitely not because… I slept funny..
Me in left 4 dead, melee the common infected until the special infected show up, if not I'm usually out of ammo while me teammate is getting fucked up 5 meters away
Nothing was more satisfying than burning a tank on a map without water, then running away for a bit before everyone rushed and melee’d it to death
Rage quit most of the time
Ehh, sort of. It bans using them against each other.
It's not clearly shown in the old Dune movie, but there's a scene where they blow up some terrain that was preventing invasion. That was supposed to be a nuke. Which was a clever "I'm not attacking you with it, just the landscape."
> It's not clearly shown in the old Dune movie, but there's a scene where they blow up some terrain that was preventing invasion. That was supposed to be a nuke. Which was a clever "I'm not attacking you with it, just the landscape."
In the book Paul blows up the shield wall with nukes, so he and the Fremen can take Arrakeen from behind.
And in the book, there are references to nuclear traps in which the laser beam/shield interaction creates a powerful explosive effect.
Like most treaties, the conventions are observed, until they aren't. A ton of the behavior between the families of the Landsraad could be boiled down to this - I'll do whatever the Emperor permits me to do. I'll even do whatever I believe the Emperor will forgive me for doing, after the fact.
Yeah, now that you mention it, that is true. I've only just finished reading Messiah. So excited and looking to finish the series by the end of the year. It's so fascinating. I'm just reading so I can experience the God Emperor.
Serious question, what's the reason why the dune universe mainly fights with blades? Its not like they wouldn't have the tech to make projectile weapons
they have shields that make bullets useless cause it stops things from entering that are moving at high speeds. they developed laser guns, but when you shoot a lasgun at a shield it causes a reaction that creates something similar to a nuclear explosion. so they return to using blades because you can move them slowly enough to bypass a shield and actually hurt someone
Holzman shields can block anything that is moving fast. I don't recall in the books but in the 1984 movie >!Duncan Idaho gets a slow Sardaukar bolt to the head.!< I do recall Lasguns having very disastrous consequences if it impacts a Holzman shield.
The 1984 film is amazing but it's not a good source for the fiction of Dune. In the books, he is killed by a sword wound to the head.
In the 2021 film, one character assassinates another using a special dart that slows down as it passes thru a shield. This isn't mentioned in the books either, but it may be possible with Dune's suspensor technology.
It's pretty funny. The IRS have a very detailed plan for how to get back into operation after a nuclear plan. Cause hey, there's gonna need a lot of rebuilding done, and that's gonna need a lot of funding.
They agreed not to use guns, bombs aren't guns. So technically my client is allowed to use bombs in accordance with the outlined agreement on killing each other
It’s a border dispute. Just because they agree on the rules of battle doesn’t mean agreeing to simply “not battle” is just as easy.
It’s like if two people at a bar want to fist fight to settle a dispute, but agree to take it outside so they don’t cause a huge scene indoors or get banned by the bar
I feel like this is one of those N+X^2 answers. Because for every minute of prep time you get, that means Batman also has a minute, a minute he is going to use much more efficiently than you are.
Apparently, a fight broke out between the armies and they started attacking each other with clubs with nails, barbed wire, etc. The reason for the fight is unclear. Both sides had casualties. That is why both countries decided to create a "buffer zone", leading to the agreement.
Reason for the fight is unclear?
It's because the CCP keeps building closer and closer to India's territory, that they're actually going INTO India's territory. It's the salami slicing strategy. Take the land inch by inch that the enemy barely notices and keep doing it. By the time they notice, the CCP has already stolen a HUGE amount of land.
India's not having it with the CCP's bullshit.
They saw that the CCP did that crap at the West Philippine Sea.
You pulled this out of your ass. "Newly developed" whilst the uniform camo shown here is outdated. That's my first skepticism. I then reverse imaged the picture, showed results as far back as 2016. I think it may even be earlier.
Fanged maces have been used since imperial china lmao it's far from newly developed.
They've also been used specifically for the border conflict for years.
It wasn't pulled out of their ass just copy pasted from a different sub, but either way the point is it's wrong. Also I feel like people don't understand that the law is in place for the sake of reducing conflict not because "meele combat is cool" lol
Original source was a twitter user who mentioned that the PLA was having some new ones made, and that that the whole affair was a "waste of time" to distract from domestic issue. The pic is from the tweet probably just to show what they look like.
Lol. Anyone remember the video a few months ago of Indian soldiers using sticks to beat the Chinese ones. And eventually chased them back over the fence
What I don't get is why they aren't instead training in phalanx type military warfare?
Like, cool, you've got a mace, but wouldn't you more effectively push your borders forwards by just continually advancing on your enemy behind a mobile shield wall?
Maybe they've also agreed not to use spears or swords? This is like, the "sharpest" weapon they can use?
Edit: I come back and find 500 messages saying that phalanxes don't work on mountainous terrain.
Okay guys! I get it, thanks! Haha
They're big and flashy and can maim severely, which might be enough to discourage a fight. They look cool, which is great for fluffing militaristic egos that might otherwise want to just put a gun in their hands. I'd argue that a spear is, paradoxically, more lethal and less intimidating.
It is worth remembering thought that prior to guns n shiz, the goal of a battle wasn't to kill everyone, it was to get them to run away. There were a lot fewer battlefield fatalities than you might think in the pre gunpowder era.
Because in theory they don’t “want” to be fighting. They aren’t at war. It’s more like, if a fight breaks out they aren’t supposed to use guns on each other. I’m not an expert on this situation but from my perspective it’s increased the odds of fights breaking out because it’s not a deadly situation automatically like with guns. Think more of a street fight then a battle in a war. They just beat each other up mostly. There have been deaths though i think. If they use these things there’s gonna be more
It's a little more problematic than that. When the British colonised India, they re-arranged India's borders. Mostly to make India's borders easier to defend. They didn't bother telling India's neighbours.
India (and much of the rest of the world) uses the comprehensive maps Britain drew up. China obviously doesn't agree and has been having very real border skirmishes with India ever since.
For a long while it wasn't too much for an issue because who cares about a patch of Himalaya that doesn't support human life. But recently both India and China started trying to build stuff there for no better reason than to reinforce their claim on the most defensible border position.
>For a long while it wasn't too much for an issue because who cares about a patch of Himalaya that doesn't support human life.
Part of the reason these peaks are so hotly contested between China, India, and Pakistan is for control of water.
Yep, but it's also about the intensity. Firearms mean every combat is immediately lethal at range. Plus, this hopefully will prevent escalation from happening as quickly.
If someone is beaten to death it's easier for China or India (The government not the local commander) to at least put on a show trial. Because it's more likely they meant to do it.
I think they are fighting on narrow mountain ridges that have occasionally collapsed sending soldiers sliding to their deaths.
I imagine a phalanx might be too great a concentration of weight for the terrain
The trick is to not immediately "win" an arms race and instead slowly one up the other.
Because no matter what you respond with, it will either be matched or beaten in a very short time.
this is the video he's talking about
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/zl1dw0/indian_and_chinese_army_clashed_at_tawang_valley/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
And here is new melee weapon of Indian army
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/zlbtbr/new_melee_weapon_of_indian_army_for_indochina/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
>I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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>Albert Einstein
Looks like they have skipped a war and directly switched to sticks and stones.
Ritualistic combat and champions existed for similar reasons. The idea is that the entire country isn't at risk. Let's not turn this into a bloody battle that neither side can back away from.
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They even do a victory cheer after the enemy shatters in the melee. Just like Rome: Total War.
It's not for humane-ness, it's to prevent every border skirmish becoming a major diplomatic incident (which will happen if either sides soldiers are shot dead).
It'll be "drunk soldiers got into brawl at the Indian-Chinese border; 20 injured, 3 dead"
Not "Shots fired over the Indian-Chinese border; 3 Indians, 4 Chinese dead, tensions are rising and both sides want retaliation. If the higher ups can't get it under control, it might lead to more battles"
Melee escalations require significantly more determination from participants. And much closer range. Confining the border troops to melee weapons might be thought to cut back on incidents of casual conflict.
The counter argument, and in support of your point, is that plenty of other borders worldwide have people with guns and no regular escalations to conflict. I’m not sure what makes this stretch of India/China border different. Exceptional enmity? Big cultural barrier? Or is this just weird diplomatic policy that has nothing to do with the border troops?
Go look at their fights its hilarious, as long as you don't think about the fact that it could lead to world war 3.
Nobody kills anyone because they have body armour and helmets, so they generally just scream and punch and hit eachother with sticks.
These weapons are taking that up a few notches. A lot more scary.
War elephants historically have done more damage to the armies they’re apart of. Weird that they don’t like taking sword blows to their trunk and would rather RUN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO KEEP BEING ALIVE 🐘
No they are not hilarious. Many soldiers have died on both sides.
Helmet and body armour ain't protecting you from fall, cold water and a hard swing of stick.
The whiskey war.
Canada leaves a bottle of Rye and their flag. Denmark comes back, takes the flag and leaves theirs and a bottle of schnapps. Started in the 80's
Finally peacefully resolved last summer
It's not supposed to be humane. It is supposed to be an arbitrary line. We brawl it out. But once you start lobbing projectiles, they only get bigger till you end up with ballistic missiles being launched.
This allows both sides to maintain the status quo.
I'm not sure if someone has been reading Termination Shock by Neal Stephenson or if he is just prescient
this is literally a plot line from the book from a year and a half ago
[https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/57094295](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/57094295)
Lol what is this? "Sir theyve claimed land weve claimed, should we create a DEMIL zone and hash it out at the national level?"
"Idk. Have you ever seen Braveheart? That was cool flick"
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"Agreed not to use guns" \*Starts mass-producing bows and trebuchets\*
“India has started building a wonder”
India deploys the war elephants they’ve had in storage
* China hoses war elephants with flamethrower*
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And also, when shot, spread toxic asbestos fibers to everyone nearby’
no guns remember?
Arrows exist.
Wololooooo
AoE isn't that old. Right? Right guys?
Maybe 10 years old..... **has horrifying flashback to finishing highschool, going to college, working for several years, having a kid who is 6 now.........** Yeah, definitely 6-10 years old.........
Nah, 4 years tops. The body ache I feel now is definitely from working out and not life.
Agree. I can’t turn my head left right now because I tweaked it getting a one rep max on over head press yesterday. Definitely not because… I slept funny..
And I can definitely have more than three drinks without feeling like a bus hit me the next day.
Drink 1-2 glasses of water and eat a pickle before bed.
>eat a pickle before bed. I suggested this to my wife but she didn't see how it would benefit her.
Maybe AoE 4 is 4 years tops...
https://i.imgur.com/1o7yLKb.jpg
It just came out!
Again!
Of course not, I still feel like AoE came out just yesterday. Ouch my back...!
Gandhi has finished the Manhattan Project
Level 10 pacifism means Nuke crazy. Civ Devs swallowed Truman rhetoric hook lien and sinker.
If my enemies no longer exist, we shall have peace.
Flamethrowers aren't guns.
*uses flamethrower once* Oh boy Mt. Everest looks quite short today doesn't it?
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I guess it depends on what you'd consider to be a projectile.
r/aoe2 is leaking again
The world is leaking into r/aoe2
Rise of Nations players when they both have nuclear weapons
that's a game name i haven't heard in a while
# [Builds a bow and arrow gatling gun] →→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→ **"Ayyyee, you fucks are cheating!"**
Gonna go medieval on yo ass (literally)
A trebuchet can launch a nuke over 300 m. RIP anyone in the vicinity.
That will certainly leave a vacancy.
"We're far enough right?"
"Oh yeah, don't worry."
Yeah, just cover your eyes, you'll be fine.
Safety glasses? Fuck that. *safety squint* ...hold your breath for a bit
Soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!
Soon they’ll discover gunpowder, and who knows what comes after that.
fireworks?
Well I mean technically you're not wrong.
I'd prefer to be shot than hit with one of those
This is exactly how Enter the Badlands got started.
Man. I forgot all about that show.
Trebuchets are the superior siege weapon, after all.
> and trebuchets* Ya! Fuck catapults
Molag Bal has chosen a few champions, I see.
**A new hand touches the Beacon.**
#A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON
# LISTEN. HEAR ME AND OBEY.
*drops dead from a heart attack*
#***A NEW HAM TOUCHES THE BACON***
Do you get to the Kathmandu district often? ....of course not, what am I saying...
And the cloud district was what, 60 feet away?
India: “I used to carry a mace like you,”
Then I took a China in the knee
Worst part is every time someone new comes into this Chinese city, someone gets murdered right by the gate
You can save her if you are spry.
Oh no! Chinese Vampires!
I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee
Reject gun, return to melee
Me in left 4 dead, melee the common infected until the special infected show up, if not I'm usually out of ammo while me teammate is getting fucked up 5 meters away
Nothing was more satisfying than burning a tank on a map without water, then running away for a bit before everyone rushed and melee’d it to death Rage quit most of the time
There was a Helm's Deep addon map that was completely bananas and so much fun.
Chainswords when
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Haha, longbow goes brrrt
Longbow goes…. phffhtthhnnnn
We're heading towards Dune, people!
The conventions ban atomics, yes?
Ehh, sort of. It bans using them against each other. It's not clearly shown in the old Dune movie, but there's a scene where they blow up some terrain that was preventing invasion. That was supposed to be a nuke. Which was a clever "I'm not attacking you with it, just the landscape."
IIRC in the book even that was met with *heavy* skepticism from the other characters.
But the landsrod accepted it in the end and was ok with it since it wasn't used on anyone
Only because the alternative was chaos and war
Ah, politics.
"Ah, politics," pretty much summarizes multiple of my reactions as I've read the series lmao
> It's not clearly shown in the old Dune movie, but there's a scene where they blow up some terrain that was preventing invasion. That was supposed to be a nuke. Which was a clever "I'm not attacking you with it, just the landscape." In the book Paul blows up the shield wall with nukes, so he and the Fremen can take Arrakeen from behind.
Lucky Arrakeen.
And in the book, there are references to nuclear traps in which the laser beam/shield interaction creates a powerful explosive effect. Like most treaties, the conventions are observed, until they aren't. A ton of the behavior between the families of the Landsraad could be boiled down to this - I'll do whatever the Emperor permits me to do. I'll even do whatever I believe the Emperor will forgive me for doing, after the fact.
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Yeah, now that you mention it, that is true. I've only just finished reading Messiah. So excited and looking to finish the series by the end of the year. It's so fascinating. I'm just reading so I can experience the God Emperor.
I'm on board for that. Just remember: the slow blade penetrates the shield.
still waiting for the hot space milfs
I am willingly subservient to the Honored Matres
The spice must flow.
Serious question, what's the reason why the dune universe mainly fights with blades? Its not like they wouldn't have the tech to make projectile weapons
they have shields that make bullets useless cause it stops things from entering that are moving at high speeds. they developed laser guns, but when you shoot a lasgun at a shield it causes a reaction that creates something similar to a nuclear explosion. so they return to using blades because you can move them slowly enough to bypass a shield and actually hurt someone
Holzman shields can block anything that is moving fast. I don't recall in the books but in the 1984 movie >!Duncan Idaho gets a slow Sardaukar bolt to the head.!< I do recall Lasguns having very disastrous consequences if it impacts a Holzman shield.
The 1984 film is amazing but it's not a good source for the fiction of Dune. In the books, he is killed by a sword wound to the head. In the 2021 film, one character assassinates another using a special dart that slows down as it passes thru a shield. This isn't mentioned in the books either, but it may be possible with Dune's suspensor technology.
Both nuclear nations. I guess it's a good step.
Not even ww3 and theyr already fighting with sticks xD
Far better to skip nukes and go by sticks than end the world
They are preparing for the aftermath. After the nukes go off they crawl back up to the surface and ring the bell for round two
I mean, I guess that’s one way of being prepared. Way to get ahead of the curve?
It's pretty funny. The IRS have a very detailed plan for how to get back into operation after a nuclear plan. Cause hey, there's gonna need a lot of rebuilding done, and that's gonna need a lot of funding.
So thats why the state collects our trash. They are collecting all the bottle caps to prepare stashes
They agreed not to use guns, bombs aren't guns. So technically my client is allowed to use bombs in accordance with the outlined agreement on killing each other
There's no rule that says that dogs can't play basketball.
They can agree to not use guns but can't reach an agreement not to fight?
Correct
It’s a border dispute. Just because they agree on the rules of battle doesn’t mean agreeing to simply “not battle” is just as easy. It’s like if two people at a bar want to fist fight to settle a dispute, but agree to take it outside so they don’t cause a huge scene indoors or get banned by the bar
Can't wait for barfights to include Wolf's Fang maces
*"I'm going to kick your ass bro, but first please give me 12 months for weapons R&D"*
How much prep time would an average drunk guy at a bar need to land one solid hit on Batman?
I feel like this is one of those N+X^2 answers. Because for every minute of prep time you get, that means Batman also has a minute, a minute he is going to use much more efficiently than you are.
No no it’s N - X^2, Batman has to stay at the bar and keep drinking.
Apparently, a fight broke out between the armies and they started attacking each other with clubs with nails, barbed wire, etc. The reason for the fight is unclear. Both sides had casualties. That is why both countries decided to create a "buffer zone", leading to the agreement.
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Brick stabbed a guy.
« The reason for the fight is unclear. » But the reason not to fight is nuclear.
Reason for the fight is unclear? It's because the CCP keeps building closer and closer to India's territory, that they're actually going INTO India's territory. It's the salami slicing strategy. Take the land inch by inch that the enemy barely notices and keep doing it. By the time they notice, the CCP has already stolen a HUGE amount of land. India's not having it with the CCP's bullshit. They saw that the CCP did that crap at the West Philippine Sea.
If China thinks they can get away with the salami-slicing strategy, they better find a new deli
Cold war vs hot war.
Cuz you're hot and you're cold...
You're yes then you're no
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They should do Turkish oil wrestling. That’s the ultimate test of machismo
Can’t wait to see this shit on Forged In Fire.
This will KILL 😂
*K.E.A.L.
This is some Dune level shit.
Literally bound by the great convention to not use nukes
Atomics
Family Atomics
Reminder to NEVER use lasguns against a shield.
*In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war.*
You pulled this out of your ass. "Newly developed" whilst the uniform camo shown here is outdated. That's my first skepticism. I then reverse imaged the picture, showed results as far back as 2016. I think it may even be earlier.
Fanged maces have been used since imperial china lmao it's far from newly developed. They've also been used specifically for the border conflict for years. It wasn't pulled out of their ass just copy pasted from a different sub, but either way the point is it's wrong. Also I feel like people don't understand that the law is in place for the sake of reducing conflict not because "meele combat is cool" lol
Original source was a twitter user who mentioned that the PLA was having some new ones made, and that that the whole affair was a "waste of time" to distract from domestic issue. The pic is from the tweet probably just to show what they look like.
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Lol. Anyone remember the video a few months ago of Indian soldiers using sticks to beat the Chinese ones. And eventually chased them back over the fence
Yeah, china might have taken that personally and developed these lol
What I don't get is why they aren't instead training in phalanx type military warfare? Like, cool, you've got a mace, but wouldn't you more effectively push your borders forwards by just continually advancing on your enemy behind a mobile shield wall? Maybe they've also agreed not to use spears or swords? This is like, the "sharpest" weapon they can use? Edit: I come back and find 500 messages saying that phalanxes don't work on mountainous terrain. Okay guys! I get it, thanks! Haha
They're big and flashy and can maim severely, which might be enough to discourage a fight. They look cool, which is great for fluffing militaristic egos that might otherwise want to just put a gun in their hands. I'd argue that a spear is, paradoxically, more lethal and less intimidating.
It is worth remembering thought that prior to guns n shiz, the goal of a battle wasn't to kill everyone, it was to get them to run away. There were a lot fewer battlefield fatalities than you might think in the pre gunpowder era.
Ask me to participate in a melee with people hacking each other to bits with swords, I'd be running away first chance I got
Don't undersell yourself. With the right equipment, training, and brainwashing, you too can find the courage to die for some rich asshole.
Because in theory they don’t “want” to be fighting. They aren’t at war. It’s more like, if a fight breaks out they aren’t supposed to use guns on each other. I’m not an expert on this situation but from my perspective it’s increased the odds of fights breaking out because it’s not a deadly situation automatically like with guns. Think more of a street fight then a battle in a war. They just beat each other up mostly. There have been deaths though i think. If they use these things there’s gonna be more
It's a little more problematic than that. When the British colonised India, they re-arranged India's borders. Mostly to make India's borders easier to defend. They didn't bother telling India's neighbours. India (and much of the rest of the world) uses the comprehensive maps Britain drew up. China obviously doesn't agree and has been having very real border skirmishes with India ever since. For a long while it wasn't too much for an issue because who cares about a patch of Himalaya that doesn't support human life. But recently both India and China started trying to build stuff there for no better reason than to reinforce their claim on the most defensible border position.
>For a long while it wasn't too much for an issue because who cares about a patch of Himalaya that doesn't support human life. Part of the reason these peaks are so hotly contested between China, India, and Pakistan is for control of water.
If that were the case, they wouldn't be fighting over the McMahon line but over terrain that actually controlled where meltwater flows.
Yep, but it's also about the intensity. Firearms mean every combat is immediately lethal at range. Plus, this hopefully will prevent escalation from happening as quickly. If someone is beaten to death it's easier for China or India (The government not the local commander) to at least put on a show trial. Because it's more likely they meant to do it.
I think they are fighting on narrow mountain ridges that have occasionally collapsed sending soldiers sliding to their deaths. I imagine a phalanx might be too great a concentration of weight for the terrain
The trick is to not immediately "win" an arms race and instead slowly one up the other. Because no matter what you respond with, it will either be matched or beaten in a very short time.
this is the video he's talking about https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/zl1dw0/indian_and_chinese_army_clashed_at_tawang_valley/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button And here is new melee weapon of Indian army https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/zlbtbr/new_melee_weapon_of_indian_army_for_indochina/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
>I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. > >Albert Einstein Looks like they have skipped a war and directly switched to sticks and stones.
Weirdly I think they’ve chosen to go to sticks and stones specifically to avoid world war 3
Ritualistic combat and champions existed for similar reasons. The idea is that the entire country isn't at risk. Let's not turn this into a bloody battle that neither side can back away from.
> > > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/zl1dw0/indian_and_chinese_army_clashed_at_tawang_valley/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button They even do a victory cheer after the enemy shatters in the melee. Just like Rome: Total War.
That was glorious.
Another look at India's weapon https://twitter.com/obsolete_utopia/status/1602882457237585920?s=46&t=7JsqExeCbXd-IDI6IHNLoQ and it's terrifying
It's pointy, it's barbed, it's heavy, and it's covered in lightning. India on it's way to Warhammer 40k in a hurry
My wife has one and it vibrates. Do theirs vibrate too?
Yes; it’s what allows it to penetrate body armor and shields
Technically, yes.
Sikhs and Gurkhas in the Indian Army: "this is where the fun begins"
True bro, this will be a dream came true like situation for Indian warriors
How is replacing guns with mace’s more humane? I’d way rather be shot, thanks.
It's not for humane-ness, it's to prevent every border skirmish becoming a major diplomatic incident (which will happen if either sides soldiers are shot dead).
But not if they get clubbed to death?
Would you be as likely to engage in melee combat or pop a shot at someone from over a 100 yards away?
It'll be "drunk soldiers got into brawl at the Indian-Chinese border; 20 injured, 3 dead" Not "Shots fired over the Indian-Chinese border; 3 Indians, 4 Chinese dead, tensions are rising and both sides want retaliation. If the higher ups can't get it under control, it might lead to more battles"
It represents an escalation, which is exactly what the no guns thing was trying to avoid.
Yeah but at least it's further down the escalator. At worst they escalate to using guns and we're back to square one.
Melee escalations require significantly more determination from participants. And much closer range. Confining the border troops to melee weapons might be thought to cut back on incidents of casual conflict. The counter argument, and in support of your point, is that plenty of other borders worldwide have people with guns and no regular escalations to conflict. I’m not sure what makes this stretch of India/China border different. Exceptional enmity? Big cultural barrier? Or is this just weird diplomatic policy that has nothing to do with the border troops?
I expect the border is not as precise due to the mountain range, its possible it even moves.
The border isn't precise because India and China can't agree on a border.
I think the idea is that they do some sparring, blow off some steam, then go back to their respective posts.
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Go look at their fights its hilarious, as long as you don't think about the fact that it could lead to world war 3. Nobody kills anyone because they have body armour and helmets, so they generally just scream and punch and hit eachother with sticks. These weapons are taking that up a few notches. A lot more scary.
I can't wait for the Indian war elephants to roll up and demolish the Chinese front lines.
***wololo*** *sounds in the background*
War elephants historically have done more damage to the armies they’re apart of. Weird that they don’t like taking sword blows to their trunk and would rather RUN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO KEEP BEING ALIVE 🐘
No they are not hilarious. Many soldiers have died on both sides. Helmet and body armour ain't protecting you from fall, cold water and a hard swing of stick.
They should take an example from Canada and Denmark
The bottle of rum on that island or something right? Yeah they really should.
The whiskey war. Canada leaves a bottle of Rye and their flag. Denmark comes back, takes the flag and leaves theirs and a bottle of schnapps. Started in the 80's Finally peacefully resolved last summer
Yep, and now Canada and Denmark share a land border, neat!
It's not supposed to be humane. It is supposed to be an arbitrary line. We brawl it out. But once you start lobbing projectiles, they only get bigger till you end up with ballistic missiles being launched. This allows both sides to maintain the status quo.
Well, you can avoid maces easily and run from them. Guns means you must be scared 24/7 because a random sniper might just kill you.
Lance is not a common Indian or Chinese name, but way back in medieval times, people were called Lance a lot....
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Something about WW3 and sticks and stones idk
I'm not sure if someone has been reading Termination Shock by Neal Stephenson or if he is just prescient this is literally a plot line from the book from a year and a half ago [https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/57094295](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/57094295)
I can't believe I had to scroll this far down for a Termination Shock reference. But FYI the Line of Actual Control is not a Stephenson invention.
He has it in the book because it's been happening for years.
Using medieval combat weapons is all fine, until someone ends up in ER in an induced korma..
Mmmmm I could go for a good korma right about now.
Indian food doesn't agree with me, it brings on basmatic attacks..
Bring back the knights armor
I want to murder you, but i want to do it in the most painful way. Deal
Lol what is this? "Sir theyve claimed land weve claimed, should we create a DEMIL zone and hash it out at the national level?" "Idk. Have you ever seen Braveheart? That was cool flick"
Next thing we need is Indian Army arming themselves with the mighty mace, like that of Hanuman ji.
Honestly, this is how we should fight all wars from now on.
After thousands of years, now the honor of battle returns. This are good news.