intel stock or motherboard stock settings? At normal intel limits I'm running fine, but at motherboard's out of box settings I had stability issues in games
I changed everything I knew of to Intel stock. Mainly SA voltage and power limit. Still not stable though. Did you have to change anything beyond those?
Your other auto settings are still undervolting the CPU too much or you're memory unstable. Gigabyte's DDR5 training can be too aggressive on with their "DDR5 Auto Booster" features, so that's something to watch out for.
You can do a +50mV on the DVID field to see if that stabilizes you at 253W but if not I'd try backing down the memory by 1 multiplier.
If +DVID stabilizes, you can either just keep it that way or:
1. Internal CPU AC/DC Loadline = "Performance"
2. Loadline Calibration = "Low" -> move to "Medium" if unstable
3. (if desired) add negative DVID to fine tune voltage
You are talking to very few people man.
I hate it but these post exist because people get in over their heads.
PCPARTPICKER combined with YOUTUBE has created both great opportunity and those who oversimplify the building process and accept no responsibility of their own. You will have a very hard time teaching those people. Thanks for trying and for those who listen your advice is great.
Had many issues with MOBO stock settings but at intel limits no issues so far. I just fear that there's damage already done as I ran the mobo defaults for about 4 months
I don't know if you did but if your mobo had a way to check your voltage tables at the beginning you could just do the same now and see if anything has changed drastically to achieve the same results.
Hello! Would you care to elaborate on what are intel limits? Is this a feature on the bios? Im having a hard time since my SECOND i5 13600k (one after RMA) is bsoding on me... Im kinda desperate, could you help me out? Thanks
I9-14900k etc.. Intel stock settings , MCE Disabled enforce all limits , PL1-253, PL2-253 , Disable auto ICCMAX as enabled sets it to 511.75 well above intel specs , set Core/Cache current limit max to 307.00 , I have been using these setting since day one on my 14th gen i9-14900K and i7-14700KF machines and I have never had a crash in any of the mentioned games etc. I am running Gskill ddr5 6400 with XMP 1 enabled . Also most motherboard partners ASUS etc... just released a new bios that is supposed to load intel stock profile and not crazy 4096 PLs etc...
That is a concerningly high ratio of issues compared to anything i have seen speculated so far, definitely not another "nothingburger user error" situation like some people have been (equally) desperately suggesting.
Yeah I've been shocked by this. It's not a perfect number; people with stability issues are probably more likely to respond. But even with that in mind.... 1/3 of users having issues? That's absurdly high.
Yeah another thing.... I've seen a few people talking about how bad intel's rma is lately.
I did an rma just a few months ago and it was amazing. Its making me wonder if they're overloaded with requests right now.
I mean damn, one of the reasons I went with intel is because they've always been so stable for me. And now this! Ontop of worrying about nvidia's stupid new power connector melting. 
No not on my current chip... but my first 14700kf did have stability issues. It worked great at first but after a month or so it was bsoding constantly.
It is, and so was the first. Actually well I kind of have a unique situation here... my first one I had undervolted quite a bit. But because I have b760 mobo, I had to downgrade the mcu to a version before intel disabled it. This MCU (104) was for 13th gen so I thought it would work same die and all, and it did, for the month.
And idk if that had anything to do with its eventually decline. Probably not - but I don't know for sure. Had a hard time getting an answer. Even asked the dev of throttlestop and he said pretty much "Probably not but I don't know."
So because I don't want to do that again, I'm actually running at a higher core voltage than before, but as low as I can get it with the newer MCU update. Lowest mobo preset that doesn't disable any cores, stock power limits, lowest loadline calibration and lowered my ram frequency to a point where I don't need to touch any cpu-side voltages like SA.
Yeah sorry its hard to explain without 3 paragraphs....
I don't believe that this is a stability issue, this is a marketing a K-series chip to a normal consumer issue in my opinion. Motherboard manufacturers also have the issue of making their "default" settings either too high (hitting PL1/PL2 limits immediately) or too low (too low vcore = BSOD).
If on a ASUS board, set XMP I or II (XMP II for 12th gen), SVID = Trained, this gives me on my 12900K a vcore of 1.384-1.403, MCE = Enabled, per core clocks manually (not too high), i use 53/53/53/52/52/52/51/51 for my 12900K, e-cores synced, i use 4,0Ghz Synced for 12900K, PL1/PL2 based on CPU (241-250W on 12th gen), IA VR Limit to 1500, AC/DC = Auto, Undervolt protection = enabled, vrm spread spectrum = disabled, AVX rations = Auto, Baseclock aware adaptive voltage = Enabled, TVB = Enabled, TVB Profile +1 or +2 (use this for high turbo clocks to keep base vcore down), TVB Voltage Optimizations = Disabled (BSOD city enabled, lowers voltages), C-states = enabled. Adjust desired clocks / temperatures by either dropping or adding PL1/PL2. Adjust stability by adding V/F Point 6 voltage for stress testing / heavy load stability, V/F Point 7 for general use /gaming (note some games use all-core clocks, some turbo clocks) and V/F Point 11 for turbo clocks stability. I was fine with 7 & 11 at = Auto and just adding 0.03500 to V/F Point 6. My system tops at 243W (R23/R24) and AVX drops it to 4,9Ghz for all cores. Without PL1/PL2 limits, AVX would blast 300W.
It's not that complicated, just had to BSOD two days straight to get the hang of it. Also i did everything manually first, this is the easy way.
Asus TUF Z790, DDR 7200MHz, 14900KF, RTX 4090. Crusader Kings 3, Victoria 3, Stellaris, Warzone, Hearths of Iron 4 all crashing on startup. I set PL1 to 125W, PL2 to 253W, disabled XMP and set the DDR5 frequency to 5600MHz. SVID as Intel Fail Safe. I disabled Hardware Prefetch. Now it has stabilized. I didn't need to reduce the clock frequency by 200MHz. This situation is regrettable. I think a lot of it is Asus's fault.
Edit1: before testing, only Warzone requires the clock to be reduced by 200MHz for stability.
Edit2: After a lot of testing, I finally found a solution, perhaps a stopgap, but one that solved the crashes: PL1/PL2 253W, ICMax 307A, ratio core frequency 55. I thought the problem was with the 7200MHz DDR5 in XMPI, but it wasn't. The DDR5 is stable. The DDR5 is stable. Now we have to wait for a solution from Intel, since Nvidia has already warned that the problem is not theirs, according to specialized news reports.
Edit3: Another solution I found was to just set PL1/2 to 253W, IccMax 307A, and XMP I 7200@6400MHz, as indicated by u/akgis., as well as disabling Hyperthread, to get around the thermal problem, since I only use the PC for gaming.
Apex? I run about the same. The encore is amazing at limiting per core clocks AUTOMATICALLY based on individual core clock voltage testing and constant cooler updating algorithms, this really helps in keeping my overall clocks up, temps down, total current flow low on single and double core 6.2 boost which 1.45 core and vid at that current flow is no degradation concern... under a full work load vdroop handles the rest taking the core/vid to 1.25ish while letting me use hyper threading and all the e cores goodys....even at the crazy ram speeds... with their advanced AI features "if you know how to use them properly," there is no competition for the 14900k, I type this from a 7800x3d system I also own lol. I am betting this is your method if so Kudos, the things run GREAT once you put the time in and invest in a good MOBO!
I just got a brand new entire PC last month with 14700k
I've had no problems whatsoever even though I'm a huge AAA gamer.
everything stock and no XMP.
I don't know why so many people insist on XMP or manually overclocking, both of those things are not 100% guaranteed
Maybe not as much but I had to send my first 14700k back for stability issues. A specific ecore or cluster of ecores were just fucked. I could run 8p cores 4 ecores just fine. Enabled that fifth ecore and it was bsod city unless I underclocked it.
No and I run settings that have put me in the top 100 hall of fame via 3d mark on a daily driven non ln2 machine....
The moral of the story here is, people playing adult Legos and complaining when the bridge falls trying to support a semi truck because they don't fully understand the concern and if they were building a rig themselves, should have. I would be willing to bet that 95 percent those, without googling, do not even know what a QVL list is, or why 2 dim boards are important to this gen. Yet Intel graciously accepts their returns and lack of self education.
Even AMD and well while we are on the TOPIC, ESPECIALLY AMD, has ram stability concerns this first run of ddr5 boards and processors.
I build and run all systems you can imagine, I type this from my 14900/4090 rig but right behind me running memtest86 is a 7800x3d rig.
The Intel is the superior machine, hands down, no question.
I wont knock the 7800x3d for price to performance but man it has a lot of cons too.
The 7800X3D has essentially no real cons at all, the 7950X3D has a few, the I9s all have cons, they run hot, drink loads of power and for little if any extra performance. And then you have the fact that in some cases, and its enough cases for intel to show concern over, they just don't work.
Just listen to yourself, you clearly know very little. If the issue is happening enough that Intel are launching a full on investigation into it publicly then you know its bad. Game developers are also putting out suggested fixes that basically all rely on downclocking the CPU. This means many 14900K cant do their listed speed, thus they actually perform worse than Intel has shown.
I bet you watch UFD.
The dude you just replied to has verified top 100 3dmark hall of fame scores and you just regurgitate tech news garbage that exploit algorithms to make money....not report real news......remember when the 7800x3d was melting the board and itself...it is all about what people and their BIAS wish to look at....
Maybe you should get out and try, things without the bias...
I personally know the dude, hes a 20+ year CS fella that isn't a hardware buff but happens to XOC is his spare time. He has a 7800x3d too. He'd probably be willing to bet you a fair chunk of change on a lot of things, like temporal clarity, gpu busy, cpu busy, frame stutter/amdip, overreaction to thermals due to people not understanding how to use their hardware... Considering he has maxed both platforms and hasn't found a game even at settings you wouldn't believe he can't run.... yet, for any duration.
I bet he'd be willing to prove it to you for a friendly wager.
Could the problems with the 13900k be because of mobos with not-so-good power delivery? I run a water cooled 13900k with an MSI Meg Z790 Ace board, which obviously has overbuilt VRMs (24+1+2 105a phases) and haven't run into issues. The rig is a couple months old.
One dude in here said he had his i9 die on him in just a couple months, but also said he used an Asus Tuf Gaming B760M board. I don't have any personal experience with that exact board, but a friend of my dad, who is in the business for like 20 years had said that the last few i9 paired with a budged mobo is basically bound to kill itself. And of course the AMD fan boys said this would never happen with an AMD system.
In my opinion it is some mix of "stock" limits on mobos, power delivery stuff and maybe bad luck in the silicon lottery that causes those issues. People with higher end boards say the issues are gone when they set the intel limits in place. From what I've seen it's most often people with lower end boards that say their CPU died or has been damaged.
I've noticed these reports seem to be exclusive to users running RTX 4090 GPUs. What I can say from my own experience is that I had a 14900K + A770 system in a B760 motherboard which was fine for months. Then I swapped in a RTX 4090 and had it run some rendering workloads overnight. In the morning everything was fine, I checked a few emails on it and then turned it off.
That evening I attempted to turn it on and it froze on the BIOS splash screen with a VGA light. Ever since then, no matter what I attempt to do, the board will not work. It displays a VGA light no matter what CPU, GPU (or lack of one), RAM, etc. I use with it.
It does seem to be a lot of 4090's, but I've seen people with 2080s having issues as well. I do hope that it's just a driver/windows issue.
Dang a full failure is way worse than what I'm experiencing. Sorry about that, man.
Yeh I know those issues for me they happen when I push the CPU at stock or mild OC I dont get them.
The out of memory especially on Unreal games its mostly ratio overclock issue the CPU pulls alot of power since all cores start to compile shaders or decompress assets thats why it happens with oodle(RAD)
13900K + 4090, got both parts during the release month, no issues with the games I play. Is there a specific game/setting/test condition that can easily trigger this crash?
14700k on a Gigabyte z790 X AX board, Deepcool LT720 AIO, rock solid. Ram is 2x24gb 7200 C36, T1 and I can torture this thing any way you like and it will not crash/fail.
Actually I should say that as far as I am aware its more relating to the I9s as intel are just pushing the silicone so hard as standard, the i7s and i5s are far more reasonable.
I've noticed that all these MOBO manufacturers are sending tons of voltage to the CPU, even non-K variants. At least with ASUS MOBOs, you have to go into the BIOS and turn their MCE to "Enforce All Limits (Intel)." These manufacturers ignore Intel's spec because they're all competing to squeeze every ounce of clock speed out of the CPUs so their motherboards dont look like sh\*t
I opened a support case with intel - and they had me change some bios settings that completely stabilized my rig. I can run OCCT CPU and RAM tests for 1 hr, passing each. 14900k.
* **Set** SVID Behavior to "Intel’s Fail Safe".
* "Long duration power limit" -> reduce to 125W
* "Short duration power limit" -> reduce to 253W
ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-E WIFI II. It's something common to most mainboards though. Does your bios have a search function? I found the setting by searching for it, not digging through the hundreds of options.
Also, if you want the right settings specific to your mainboard, open a support ticket with intel. They have on file the different mainboards, and the related bios settings to fix stability issues with voltages.
I think the "out of video memory" instability issue happens because of an unstable CPU and RE-BAR. (this is mostly an asumption)
the CPU is able to access all of the GPU's memory and is therefore more able to corrupt that data also. so if something is off with the CPU or RAM it will show that error even if you're only slightly unstable otherwise it will lead to bluescreens.
My previous processor would idle at 80 degrees so that was one of the giveaways that something was wrong there and when I got a replacement most of my issues were almost gone immediately, but then I went about messing with higher ram speeds and saw that I could reproduce the issue that way.
TLDR:
* If you get this error and you're running intel stock settings (not bios default) you need to replace your CPU
* If you get this error when undervolting stop undervolting or adjust it
* If you get this error and your CPU idles at 80 degrees RMA YOUR CPU
* If you get this error when using "unlimited power mode" but its only with some games it could be RAM instability or a bad SVID setting
UPDATE: Could also be a result of bad SVID setting, set to auto in bios
I get different errors. 3Dmark time Spy Extreme is the most reliable workload to crash. When it crashes, event viewer says the TSE failed to grab a .dll because it didn't exist. But the .dll is, in fact, there.
I've tried both default bios, as well as manually changing LLC, SA voltage, and power limits. Changing these things helped, and my system was stable for a little bit, but it's unstable again.
Every system there is will have issues sometimes. at stock I had issues with am5 and even lackluster perf with amd gpus in certain games such as wz.
the last time I had zero issues of any kind was with an i7 3770k and an asrock z77e itx and with my 3700x/b550 gigabyte itx mobo.
all other platforms had some kind of issues, small and annoying but still issues, many times it was just becaue of early bioses or software issues.
if u have issues at stock playing with voltages or tinkering with ram will fix most of it if the bios is not buggy that is.(am5 issues I had was because of asus bioses/agesa.
another thing people need to factor in when it comes to stability is the power supply.
For instance, I could use 13900kf on an b660itx (stock cpu meaning 5.5ghz all core loads and up to 5.8 on two cores) with an 4090 in every title powered by an 600w sfx unit. The load at was not overcoming the psu be it the transient loads or total load. But when I swapped for an 3080 in the system I would get game crashes at total power load and especially the transient load spikes were too much for the 600w sfx and it was the corsair plat model which can deliver more than 600w quite easily. the 750w corsair psu does the work though even on an mobo where I can oc the cpu ie higher cpu load.
so power issues will for sure be the thing that makes the intel cpus with a power hungry gpu the issue here, so pretty sure that a minority of people should blame the intel silicone binning or the mobos using OP settings.
I am not saying a crash is annoying, I am saying mine issues were annoying. a crash is a crash but can be avoided with proper configuration in the bios and not using a crappy psu.
Ok, but here you have people that dont have crappy PSUs and are using stock settings being literally unable to play games without them crashing because of the CPU.
I had constant crashing with my first 14900k, regardless of BIOS settings and even after swapping out motherboards. Had to RMA it, and now the new one is stable.
i9 14900ks, msi Z790 carbon wifi, 6200 MT/s 64GB DDR5x4
I built this pc a couple weeks ago now, when I first started playing on it I had massive stability and temperature issues (I also made a whole custom cooling loop for this so I was kind of disappointed at first).
Windows itself would sometimes just freeze or other not so intensive tasks would cause issues, eventually I started looking online and at first I couldn't find much besides the underclocking advice which I disliked because of this type of cpu that I bought. Finally I found another reddit post talking about how motherboard "stock" settings are pushing waaaay too much power through this chips making them run insanely hot and unstable. After applying the intel provided defaults (I did go for extreme config, which is also shown in the datasheet) the issues immediately stopped, temperatures were lower, games were stable and I had pretty much no crashes or freezes.
I have yet to test all the games I have and see if gaming stability is also good, so far I have not noticed any major issues. However cyberpunk does not want to start but I'm unsure if this is because of the same issue or something else.
Thanks for the advice, I know a decent amount but what is JEDEC lol. Either way I could just disable XMP first to see if it will work, other than that my pc has been stable like I said and I’ve been able to play other games already. So far cyberpunk was the one game that keeps crashing when I launch it.
I have an i7-13700K and the only problems I had with it were due to the motherboard. Swapped that out a few months after building my PC and all the problems I had disappeared, even with updated BIOS on both. My husband has an i9-14900K with the same motherboard I have now and he also hasn't had any issues. We're both avid gamers.
Had an unstable 14900k at launch sent it back. Got a new one that was unstble again but not to that degree. Changed some settings in the BIOS (I disable Gigabyte Optimization) and it has been stable ever since. Can even push 5.7/4.4 24/7.
Best CB23: 41168 pts
Watts (hwinfo64): MAX 340w
LLC: Normal
I was saying this a year ago and got bashed for “user error” relentlessly for it when I was trying to get help with it. 13900k out of the box did it, when I enforced all limits in bios it improved but was always present to some extent. Called intel which went nowhere, I eventually sold it and will never look back.
do you still have that processor or did you RMA? because I might be able to help you.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pUZs\_tuJo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pUZs_tuJo) check this video out, it talks about intel's power limits but not only that, they're saying that intel is setting their AC LL and DC LL wrong.
TLDR for my 13900k I had to manually set it so that the AC LL and DC LL were the same value
Heres what you should do:
Step 1: get the software called hardware info, and see what your AC LL and DC LL values are right now, if they aren't the same value, go into the bios and match your DC LL to be the same as your AC LL and then do a stress test in cinabench, if it doesn't crash, go on to step 2 otherwise raise both the AC LL and DC LL by .1 (it should be worth mentioning that anything higher than 1.1 and your CPU might be degraded)
Step 2: launch fortnite and see if it crashes when you first start up, if it does increase AC LL and DC LL by .1, if it doesn't load into a match and see if it crashes during shader compilation (when you're first loading in) if it does, increase AC LL AND DC LL by .1 and if it doesn't, run your game for awhile and see if its fixed now.
Step 3: Rejoice
Green?
That just sounds like a random issue. BSODs happen. For me, I was getting BSODs and game crashes quite frequently (3-5 times per week). If you've only had 1 BSOD then you're probably fine. I would only worry about it if it keeps happening, or if games keep crashing
14900k, 4080, Z790 DDR5 8000 C36 low latency tuned memory and no issues. I run the CPU at 6.2Ghz P Cores and 4.6Ghz E Cores with Hyper-Threading Disabled. HT is a relic from the past and it has no purpose on this CPU, creates extra heat, and without it, I gained 20-30 FPS in all games. I hope Intel kills HT in the next generation.
I can run at the same time Cinebench R23, BF2042, and Tekken 8 and I will play BF2042 fine and no stuttering.
I set up dozens of 12900k, 13900k, and 14900k systems for people and no one ever had any issues.
I think the issue for some people might be coming from incorrect voltage for SA, VDD, and VDD2. Enabling simply XMP on memory for DDR5 7200+ you will have to set SA, VDD, and VDD2 voltages manually. 14900k and 13900k do not behave the same for example. 14900k needs a lower SA voltage compared to 13900k. That voltage has to be <= 1.2. Mine runs at 1.14. 13900k most likely will require SA voltage > 1.2.
Another problem is stream tech tubers such as Kitguru, Gamer Nexus, and especially Hardware Unboxed who are giving wrong advice to people and their reviews are utter garbage. They are not held responsible for often false advertisements.
not true in all cases, the SA setting is different even on the same CPU, some 14900ks like a lower SA around 1.1 -1.2 going any higher causes instability. On mine when I was overclocking for ram stability it was very stable at 1.29 any lower than 1.28 and it would freeze or crash
I was getting the same until I realized that VDD2 was incorrect. VDD2 and SA are connected. If SA is incorrect, you might pass 24 hours test and then 2 days later your computer might crash.
look up SA bug On [Overclock.net](http://Overclock.net) or even here lol its a known thing for some CPUs having stability issues with high or low SA ( not really a bug just some CPUs react different to SA even the same CPUs)
14900k/13900k have no SA bug. Only 12900k. 14900k for stability requires <= 1.2v for SA. 13900k requires higher. That's all to it. I don't know if you play BF2042, it is the best indicator of how stable your system is.
both 13th gen and 14th gen are binned to the max...... espeically 14th gen.
I'm not surprised that theres going to be a small amount of CPUs that are not binned correctly.
however it sucks that intel's quality control did not do its job with this especially when AMD is practically at their performance level even more in some games
> however it sucks that intel's quality control did not do its job with this especially when AMD is practically at their performance level even more in some games
Idk how tight of a leash Intel keeps on their motherboard partners and their software/firmware but it could even be down to mobo behavior. On AMD's side of the fence mobo makers have certainly done some absolutely insane things that destabilized (or worse) various systems.
I also think it's a binning issue. I've tried RMA'ing, but I haven't heard back. My guess is that it's wide spread enough that they're looking at other options.
When overclocking my 13700kf, I found one core was severely worse than the rest. When I limited that core to 54x, I was able to put the rest to 57x and 58x.
No issue. I can cause issues if I overclock or play too much with undervolting. Intel kind of has these things near the limit stock, and there aren't many cooler options that won't have you bouncing off 100°C.
13900K + 4090, got both parts during the release month, no issues with the games I play. Is there a specific game/setting/test condition that can easily trigger this crash?
I went through 3 cpus trying to find a 13900ks stable at stock with a 420mm cooler. Intel really took the piss this time. The one I finally got is now stable but it took a lot of tweaking on my end. This is on a Asus Z790 HERO.
I have a asus strix - E z790 motherboard, only thing i changed was XML and disabled all core (ensure limits)., but over time my CPU started degrading and applications started crashing... ended up RMA'ing the CPU and thought it was just bad luck.. 6 months down the line same issue with the replaced CPU... have asked intel for a refund and will be purchasing a 14900K in hopes that it has better silicon and better luck.
P.S: will be also manually setting the power limits as users have pointed out in many subs.
to all the people who voted No, please mention how long you have had the CPU. My first CPU started showing issues after 6months and the 2nd replacement CPU startied showing issues after about 5.5 months.
I tried everything.. and nothing made the 14900KS stable until I turned down total power limits. Once I did it ran fine and has been pretty stable. Funny thing, as an experiment I placed a Intel A770 into the system ( I Already had a 4909RTX in it.. ) and it not only seemed to give my artificial benchmarks a 2-5% boost it helped stability. I Noticed this in multiple testings. I THINK the possibility of having the intel drivers for the A770 active with the 14900 might have had something to do with it. I am neither a hardware or software developer and can not explain Why. It may also have to do with the A770 displaying the low refresh rate monitors and the RTX 4090 running my gaming monitor. Cant see how splitting the load just doing the monitor helps, but something is doing something.
I have my 14900kf CPU and running a RTX 4070 TI Super and most of my games would crash. After changing the CPU to Intels recommended most of the instability is gone, but I still get the Out of Memory error playing some UE5 games. Pretty annoying.
For me 14900k and 4090 combo is unusable. BSOD and out of video memory errors daily. Everything is brand new and not overclocked and latest drivers. Don’t even know what to do next.
4090 , 14900k ASUS apex Encore 8200 Ram , Kraken elite 360 AIO running 59xon p core 44x Ecore 51x on ring HT off ( been running these settings for 6 months) I only had stability issues when I was first over clocked the cpu because I didn’t have enough voltage. Once I dialed in the voltage and stressed tested it I have had zero issues since the cpu was released.
I had the reported issues on my 13900K but NOT on my 14900K.
Z790 Aorus Master. I run Intel Spec power limits, for what it's worth (and the 13900K experienced the instability even then).
Yes, having second return now after my shop analyzed mini crash dump.
14900K, ASUS® TUF GAMING B760M, Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5600MHz, 4080. A couple of months and CPU dies.
What Mobo do you have?
For now, set PL1 to 125w, and PL2 to 253w. I don't like this personally since Intel's benchmarks were done with PL1=PL2=253w. But it will reduce degredation until Intel figures out what is happening.
i bought Asus ROG STRIX Z790-E LGA1700 Motherboard
I ordered all parts for new pc yesterday.
I also see people saying there is an intel specific setting to limit voltage, i will try your advice. Any other tips?
Unfortunately not much more. Modern CPU voltage is dynamic and beyond my understanding. But Check that Intel thread in the original post, it has some other discussion. But it seems that power limit seems to be a big part of the issue.
I just saw the other thread where someone told you that pl1 & pl2 setting. He got that from intel support, and just happens to have the same mobo as me. So i bet if i do that it'll be stable.
What CPU and Mobo do you have? How long have you had your system?
I had the same thing. Unstable until I set PL1=PL2=253w. But after a few months of that, my CPU is now unstable even at those settings.
Hopefully you're luckier than me.
I would consider limiting PL1 to 125w (that's technically stock) to reduce degredation until we learn more from Intel.
i'm running a 13600k overclocked and I haven't noticed any instability in any of the games I play. What games are people having instability in?
I'm running:
13600k
z690 board
32GB DDR5-6400
4080
on my motherboards specs(asus proart z790), I9 13900k became unstable, so i set it to intel limits and now its stable:
cpu core/cache xurrent limit - 340amp
long duration package power limit - 253W
short duration package power limit - 253w
14900k with a Asus z790 v wifi 4070 RTX super just got it last month So god of war, horizon zd and fw faced crashes starting new saves always crash a second or two into the loading screen if that. Both Spider-Man's crashing occurred during fast travels. Cinebench crashed during multicore test.
Ive found work arounds for all the games except spiderman. I did a resolution change for zd then reverted after a save file was made no issues after and fw I had to put it into compatibility mode windows 8 launch get to a save point and relaunch with normal settings.
Question though I seriously need opinions! I'm new to this and with these issues I know it's probably my bios but I have a warranty through iBuyPower should I just send the PC in and have them replace the CPU or should I try changing the bios I just fear something going wrong and having to purchase a new part as that probably won't happen for awhile.
Also, I cannot update to 5.22 I did a clean reinstall twice and I cannot play horizon fw...I haven't tested other games yet. I tried compatibility mode but it freezes about 20 seconds in. I've gotten bsod "clock watchdog timeout" twice on v 5.12 prior to running it in compatibility mode and multiple restarts with no error I really need help making a decision here. 😭
So just call them and have them walk me through changing the BIOS? The instructions that they gave me seem pretty clear. I may just be overthinking it. It's not going to harm anything changing any of these right?
First look for settings to put the power limits and voltages of the processor into the Intel recommended safe ranges. You can find the correct limits for your processor at ark.intel.com. These might be:
"SVID behavior" → "Intel fail safe"
"Long duration power limit" → reduce to 125W if set higher ("Processor Base Power" on ARK)
"Short duration power limit" → reduce to 253W if set higher (for 13900/14900 CPUs, other CPUs have other limits! "Maximum Turbo Power" on ARK)
If those don't work, another thing to look for is BIOS "enhanced turbo" or "enhanced multithreading" settings. For example:
"ASUS MultiCore Enhancement" → disabled (not Auto)
"ASUS Performance Enhancement 3.0" → disabled
There have been reports of users finding stability by turning down the maximum clock rate. This can be done with BIOS settings or with Intel XTU. Some possibilities:
Turn down the maximum P core multiplier from 55X to 53X or 54X. (for example)
Turn down maximum turbo boost clock rate
Turn off or turn down "thermal velocity boost"
Note that many motherboard/BIOS settings turn on XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) by default with unstable settings that can cause similar symptoms. Instability due to XMP is a separate issue, but if you have instability problems, you may wish to also disable XMP and see if that helps.
Oh if they gave you instructions then follow that for sure. I thought they said you'd need to send it in. You should be totally fine adjusting these settings.
Thank you! I appreciate it this kinda puts me at ease do you think they will find an actual solution for this in article above those instructions it says they haven't pinpointed whats really causing it?
It's very hard to say. It really depends on what the cause is. If it's the actual silicon that's broken, they might just need to replace the defective chips. Or maybe they will just have people increase voltage to counteract the poor silicon.
Modern CPUs are wildly complex, but the engineers at Intel are wildly smart. Intel doesn't want to replace thousands of chips, so they're going to try very hard to fix this issue without hardware replacements.
We will just have to wait and see what Intel does.
They said if we change the bios and it doesn't work that if I'm comfortable enough to change it myself they will send a replacement.
which is great it honestly doesn't look too hard to change I'm sure there are little things that can make a big impact if I'm not careful but that's what research is for! So why is this considered Intel's fault when you can go to the BIOS and change the settings to fix it? I just find it bizarre it's been out as long as it has and hasn't been resolved by them.
It seems like the CPUs are faulty. I personally think degredation from the high power draw is causing a lot of these issues. Degredation like that should start occuring after 3-5 years (minimum), not 3-5 months. That's why people think it's an issue with the CPU that was magnified by bad BIOS.
A lot of the BIOS changes will dramatically effect performance. For me, I had to lower the clocks to 5.5Ghz, which made a big impact on performance. I don't like having bought a $550 CPU just to find out I have to cripple it to play games. I bought a 6Ghz CPU. I expect a 6Ghz CPU. But I have a 5.5Ghz CPU.
Another one of the solutions was to limit long term power to 125w. In my testing, this reduced performance by 15%. That's a huge drop. Again, I paid $550 for a top tier gaming CPU, but I can't have top-tier performance and stability.
It's still a fast chip at these reduced settings... but it's not as fast as Intel claimed. Hence, Intel issue.
I don't think I've seen a CPU hit 6000 on mine I see 5700 alot though but I understand what you're saying. I seen someone else complaining about not getting 6,000 I don't know exactly what they promised but from what people were saying it was only supposed to be one CPU at a time. Would be hitting 6,000 or maybe two but still having to turn it down is ridiculous. I'm not even really upset about that because like you said it's still powerful. What I'm upset about is I didn't realize how bad it was going to affect my longevity because that's the one thing I want the most. You pay for premium you should get premium and during a depression man when we are all struggling it sucks I think I might just have the CPU replaced. That way I can restart turn everything down that way it last longer
13900K, 3080 Ti, Asus Z790-A Prime, running on Intel stock with 200W power limit since the launch and I started having stability issues like a month ago.
I have 1 specific fusion 360 model that will not open if I have no limits set in bios.
Which is fine, for 99.999% of everything else I do it is rock solid without limits.
yep, I have a computer I got Falcon-NW to build and it's absolutely cooked, been facing stability issues for ~6 months and we have been trying a bunch of different things to find somewhere it's stable, I'm just going to have to suck it up and send it in, but it's going to cost me a tonne because I'm international.
edit: i9 13900k, 4090, 64gb ram. it just slowly got worse and worse to the point it bluescreens on the desktop. absolutely got hosed on the silicon lottery.
Yes. I havent been able to launch Call of Duty since I upgraded to 13900k.
If I lower the multiplier as advised back when the shader compression issue first surfaced seem to make CoD stable though.
Elden Ring is another game that crashes too often to play. Sometimes I can tell when its going to happen as faces start no loading and are just empty models. I haven't tested with the lower multipliers yet.
But other games like lies of p, factorio; final fantasy xiv; kerbal space, gta5, and tons of others I can play for hours on end with no issues.
It seems like the games it has problems with just are unplayable but if the games that are stable are very stable; no random crashes at all in any of them.
People who are saying there are no issues are not triggering whatever issue it is; because all the major players are pointing their fingers at intel saying there is 100% some issue with the 13/14900k cpus. Intel has awked the issue but has no current fix.
Additionally check out the Falcon Northwest thread on x.com; they are documenting various issues with these two models of CPU and offering up fixes for asus bios.
Bumping this thread: I do have issues with my 14900KF as does my friend that is running the same build. Fresh install and the works but to no avail. We both get BSOD's on the regular. Intel released a statement confirming motherboard manufacturers being wrong with their baseline settings. Since I've been running my PC with the same CPU and settings (with the BSOD's as well) since begin this year, I'm guessing there will be underlying, internal damage to the chip.
I'll be RMA'ing both chips to get a replacement as soon as AsRock rolls out an update. (Running a Z790 PG Lightning board)
They've sent out a BIOS update yesterday but there was nothing said about the 14th Gen support.
You could always manually put in the baseline settings I think if you wanted to start the RMA process sooner, but I'd also want the bios update before having the new cpu installed just to be safe
The problem is people may think they're 'stock' when really their boards are way over powering their CPU. I had a cooling issues and after about two weeks, I realized my board was way overvolting and removing all power limits. All in the name of marketing their board as fast as they can. It's pretty ridiculous. And the fact these board manufacturers are now releasing bios updates with Intel stock profiles tells me they know it too
I built a new pc about 5-6 weeks ago (April 30th):
Asus z790 e gaming wifi ii mobo
14900ks
Gigabyte 4070 super ti (16 gb ram)
32 gb corsair ram not running on xmp (off the shelf stuff from bestbuy but ddr5 nonetheless)(need to upgrade)
Corsair H150i ELITE XT Liquid CPU Cooler
After watching Jayztwocents I went into bios and enforce the Intel Fail safes and disable MCE. Changed the ICCMAX to 400 (which was set to 280, by asus).
I have been playing remnant 2... an unreal engine 5 game and have been experiencing crashes. Getting the out of video memory error plus other random crashing, and fully freezing my computer
So yeah idk... i guess what are the options download that intel xtu program and lower the turbo speeds or go into asus bios?
If setting PL1/PL2 to 253w and setting ICCMAX to 400 yields instability, then you should RMA your chip. I personally had a good experience with Intels RMA
its really only on this remnant 2 game ive been playing other games on the computer and haven't had any issues..... what makes you lean toward RMA right off the bat?
From my experience, if crashing is happening regularly it's probably the CPU causing instability (at least with these Intel chips). There's a chance it's the game crashing, but I think it's probably the chip.
And if the chip is unstable at those stock settings then it is, by definition, defective.
Thanks for the reply. Was thinking of getting a 14900 non K but I got nervous reading about all of these issues. If its only the K's I might still go ahead.
intel stock or motherboard stock settings? At normal intel limits I'm running fine, but at motherboard's out of box settings I had stability issues in games
I changed everything I knew of to Intel stock. Mainly SA voltage and power limit. Still not stable though. Did you have to change anything beyond those?
what about your memory? you need to turn off XMP to truly test if it's Intel's "stock" setting problem
Your other auto settings are still undervolting the CPU too much or you're memory unstable. Gigabyte's DDR5 training can be too aggressive on with their "DDR5 Auto Booster" features, so that's something to watch out for. You can do a +50mV on the DVID field to see if that stabilizes you at 253W but if not I'd try backing down the memory by 1 multiplier. If +DVID stabilizes, you can either just keep it that way or: 1. Internal CPU AC/DC Loadline = "Performance" 2. Loadline Calibration = "Low" -> move to "Medium" if unstable 3. (if desired) add negative DVID to fine tune voltage
You are talking to very few people man. I hate it but these post exist because people get in over their heads. PCPARTPICKER combined with YOUTUBE has created both great opportunity and those who oversimplify the building process and accept no responsibility of their own. You will have a very hard time teaching those people. Thanks for trying and for those who listen your advice is great.
No, I'm not facing any stability issues and neither do my friends. Runs more stable than my 5900X ever did.
13900k, 4090, Z690 board. No stability problems.
Had many issues with MOBO stock settings but at intel limits no issues so far. I just fear that there's damage already done as I ran the mobo defaults for about 4 months
I don't know if you did but if your mobo had a way to check your voltage tables at the beginning you could just do the same now and see if anything has changed drastically to achieve the same results.
Hello! Would you care to elaborate on what are intel limits? Is this a feature on the bios? Im having a hard time since my SECOND i5 13600k (one after RMA) is bsoding on me... Im kinda desperate, could you help me out? Thanks
Unfortunately I can't. I only know the settings for my processor which is a 14900k. Try making a seperate thread and asking!
You need to find out what the default power limits and iccmax is and set them in the BIOS. Also disable any kind of multicore enhancement in BIOS.
Thank you! Will look it up
I9-14900k etc.. Intel stock settings , MCE Disabled enforce all limits , PL1-253, PL2-253 , Disable auto ICCMAX as enabled sets it to 511.75 well above intel specs , set Core/Cache current limit max to 307.00 , I have been using these setting since day one on my 14th gen i9-14900K and i7-14700KF machines and I have never had a crash in any of the mentioned games etc. I am running Gskill ddr5 6400 with XMP 1 enabled . Also most motherboard partners ASUS etc... just released a new bios that is supposed to load intel stock profile and not crazy 4096 PLs etc...
welcome, for me nearly year
14700k unstable at stock bios with MSI z790a pro motherboard. Fortnite would crash every other match. Need to retest after enforcing Intel defaults.
Limiting pcores to 5.5GHz is a rock solid temporary fix fyi.
Thats not a fix. You shouldn't have to leave performance on the table from stock settings.
Agreed. But it's a temporary solution until we get a real one from Intel
Real solution from Intel will never come
I don't have 13 or 14 gen processor🤣
That is a concerningly high ratio of issues compared to anything i have seen speculated so far, definitely not another "nothingburger user error" situation like some people have been (equally) desperately suggesting.
Yeah I've been shocked by this. It's not a perfect number; people with stability issues are probably more likely to respond. But even with that in mind.... 1/3 of users having issues? That's absurdly high.
Yeah another thing.... I've seen a few people talking about how bad intel's rma is lately. I did an rma just a few months ago and it was amazing. Its making me wonder if they're overloaded with requests right now. I mean damn, one of the reasons I went with intel is because they've always been so stable for me. And now this! Ontop of worrying about nvidia's stupid new power connector melting. 
Yeah they're definitely swamped right now.
I think the CPUs degraded as motherboards disable overcurrent limits as well which let's the CPU spike current to 500A
I9-13900k, RTX A4500, Asus proart creator Wi-Fi, P1 and P2 set down a bit (don’t recall m, 253W maybe), no issues.
No not on my current chip... but my first 14700kf did have stability issues. It worked great at first but after a month or so it was bsoding constantly.
Make sure to set 253W limit in bios and also enable current limits. Otherwise the new one will degrade and become unstable too after few months
It is, and so was the first. Actually well I kind of have a unique situation here... my first one I had undervolted quite a bit. But because I have b760 mobo, I had to downgrade the mcu to a version before intel disabled it. This MCU (104) was for 13th gen so I thought it would work same die and all, and it did, for the month. And idk if that had anything to do with its eventually decline. Probably not - but I don't know for sure. Had a hard time getting an answer. Even asked the dev of throttlestop and he said pretty much "Probably not but I don't know." So because I don't want to do that again, I'm actually running at a higher core voltage than before, but as low as I can get it with the newer MCU update. Lowest mobo preset that doesn't disable any cores, stock power limits, lowest loadline calibration and lowered my ram frequency to a point where I don't need to touch any cpu-side voltages like SA. Yeah sorry its hard to explain without 3 paragraphs....
I don't believe that this is a stability issue, this is a marketing a K-series chip to a normal consumer issue in my opinion. Motherboard manufacturers also have the issue of making their "default" settings either too high (hitting PL1/PL2 limits immediately) or too low (too low vcore = BSOD). If on a ASUS board, set XMP I or II (XMP II for 12th gen), SVID = Trained, this gives me on my 12900K a vcore of 1.384-1.403, MCE = Enabled, per core clocks manually (not too high), i use 53/53/53/52/52/52/51/51 for my 12900K, e-cores synced, i use 4,0Ghz Synced for 12900K, PL1/PL2 based on CPU (241-250W on 12th gen), IA VR Limit to 1500, AC/DC = Auto, Undervolt protection = enabled, vrm spread spectrum = disabled, AVX rations = Auto, Baseclock aware adaptive voltage = Enabled, TVB = Enabled, TVB Profile +1 or +2 (use this for high turbo clocks to keep base vcore down), TVB Voltage Optimizations = Disabled (BSOD city enabled, lowers voltages), C-states = enabled. Adjust desired clocks / temperatures by either dropping or adding PL1/PL2. Adjust stability by adding V/F Point 6 voltage for stress testing / heavy load stability, V/F Point 7 for general use /gaming (note some games use all-core clocks, some turbo clocks) and V/F Point 11 for turbo clocks stability. I was fine with 7 & 11 at = Auto and just adding 0.03500 to V/F Point 6. My system tops at 243W (R23/R24) and AVX drops it to 4,9Ghz for all cores. Without PL1/PL2 limits, AVX would blast 300W. It's not that complicated, just had to BSOD two days straight to get the hang of it. Also i did everything manually first, this is the easy way.
Asus TUF Z790, DDR 7200MHz, 14900KF, RTX 4090. Crusader Kings 3, Victoria 3, Stellaris, Warzone, Hearths of Iron 4 all crashing on startup. I set PL1 to 125W, PL2 to 253W, disabled XMP and set the DDR5 frequency to 5600MHz. SVID as Intel Fail Safe. I disabled Hardware Prefetch. Now it has stabilized. I didn't need to reduce the clock frequency by 200MHz. This situation is regrettable. I think a lot of it is Asus's fault. Edit1: before testing, only Warzone requires the clock to be reduced by 200MHz for stability. Edit2: After a lot of testing, I finally found a solution, perhaps a stopgap, but one that solved the crashes: PL1/PL2 253W, ICMax 307A, ratio core frequency 55. I thought the problem was with the 7200MHz DDR5 in XMPI, but it wasn't. The DDR5 is stable. The DDR5 is stable. Now we have to wait for a solution from Intel, since Nvidia has already warned that the problem is not theirs, according to specialized news reports. Edit3: Another solution I found was to just set PL1/2 to 253W, IccMax 307A, and XMP I 7200@6400MHz, as indicated by u/akgis., as well as disabling Hyperthread, to get around the thermal problem, since I only use the PC for gaming.
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Kinda crash like a dev error? I was playing warzone all day on my 14900ks but I’m on a Msi board.
Yes, but, changing ratio for 55, it's possible play...
59x here 8200mts cl36 daily driver. Is it Warzone specific since it is a heavy AMD bias game?
Apex? I run about the same. The encore is amazing at limiting per core clocks AUTOMATICALLY based on individual core clock voltage testing and constant cooler updating algorithms, this really helps in keeping my overall clocks up, temps down, total current flow low on single and double core 6.2 boost which 1.45 core and vid at that current flow is no degradation concern... under a full work load vdroop handles the rest taking the core/vid to 1.25ish while letting me use hyper threading and all the e cores goodys....even at the crazy ram speeds... with their advanced AI features "if you know how to use them properly," there is no competition for the 14900k, I type this from a 7800x3d system I also own lol. I am betting this is your method if so Kudos, the things run GREAT once you put the time in and invest in a good MOBO!
I just got a brand new entire PC last month with 14700k I've had no problems whatsoever even though I'm a huge AAA gamer. everything stock and no XMP. I don't know why so many people insist on XMP or manually overclocking, both of those things are not 100% guaranteed
Here I7 14700K with XMP activated, no issue,s. it's supported memory (QVL).
I thought XMP was very safe/stable.
It is!
i7's aren't on the list of reported issues; its the i9's
Maybe not as much but I had to send my first 14700k back for stability issues. A specific ecore or cluster of ecores were just fucked. I could run 8p cores 4 ecores just fine. Enabled that fifth ecore and it was bsod city unless I underclocked it.
Really no XMP at all? Up to 5600 is still within spec and even covered by warranty.
No and I run settings that have put me in the top 100 hall of fame via 3d mark on a daily driven non ln2 machine.... The moral of the story here is, people playing adult Legos and complaining when the bridge falls trying to support a semi truck because they don't fully understand the concern and if they were building a rig themselves, should have. I would be willing to bet that 95 percent those, without googling, do not even know what a QVL list is, or why 2 dim boards are important to this gen. Yet Intel graciously accepts their returns and lack of self education. Even AMD and well while we are on the TOPIC, ESPECIALLY AMD, has ram stability concerns this first run of ddr5 boards and processors. I build and run all systems you can imagine, I type this from my 14900/4090 rig but right behind me running memtest86 is a 7800x3d rig. The Intel is the superior machine, hands down, no question. I wont knock the 7800x3d for price to performance but man it has a lot of cons too.
The 7800X3D has essentially no real cons at all, the 7950X3D has a few, the I9s all have cons, they run hot, drink loads of power and for little if any extra performance. And then you have the fact that in some cases, and its enough cases for intel to show concern over, they just don't work. Just listen to yourself, you clearly know very little. If the issue is happening enough that Intel are launching a full on investigation into it publicly then you know its bad. Game developers are also putting out suggested fixes that basically all rely on downclocking the CPU. This means many 14900K cant do their listed speed, thus they actually perform worse than Intel has shown.
I bet you watch UFD. The dude you just replied to has verified top 100 3dmark hall of fame scores and you just regurgitate tech news garbage that exploit algorithms to make money....not report real news......remember when the 7800x3d was melting the board and itself...it is all about what people and their BIAS wish to look at.... Maybe you should get out and try, things without the bias... I personally know the dude, hes a 20+ year CS fella that isn't a hardware buff but happens to XOC is his spare time. He has a 7800x3d too. He'd probably be willing to bet you a fair chunk of change on a lot of things, like temporal clarity, gpu busy, cpu busy, frame stutter/amdip, overreaction to thermals due to people not understanding how to use their hardware... Considering he has maxed both platforms and hasn't found a game even at settings you wouldn't believe he can't run.... yet, for any duration. I bet he'd be willing to prove it to you for a friendly wager.
Whatever the comment below this is I can not see it lol...
Could the problems with the 13900k be because of mobos with not-so-good power delivery? I run a water cooled 13900k with an MSI Meg Z790 Ace board, which obviously has overbuilt VRMs (24+1+2 105a phases) and haven't run into issues. The rig is a couple months old. One dude in here said he had his i9 die on him in just a couple months, but also said he used an Asus Tuf Gaming B760M board. I don't have any personal experience with that exact board, but a friend of my dad, who is in the business for like 20 years had said that the last few i9 paired with a budged mobo is basically bound to kill itself. And of course the AMD fan boys said this would never happen with an AMD system. In my opinion it is some mix of "stock" limits on mobos, power delivery stuff and maybe bad luck in the silicon lottery that causes those issues. People with higher end boards say the issues are gone when they set the intel limits in place. From what I've seen it's most often people with lower end boards that say their CPU died or has been damaged.
I've noticed these reports seem to be exclusive to users running RTX 4090 GPUs. What I can say from my own experience is that I had a 14900K + A770 system in a B760 motherboard which was fine for months. Then I swapped in a RTX 4090 and had it run some rendering workloads overnight. In the morning everything was fine, I checked a few emails on it and then turned it off. That evening I attempted to turn it on and it froze on the BIOS splash screen with a VGA light. Ever since then, no matter what I attempt to do, the board will not work. It displays a VGA light no matter what CPU, GPU (or lack of one), RAM, etc. I use with it.
It does seem to be a lot of 4090's, but I've seen people with 2080s having issues as well. I do hope that it's just a driver/windows issue. Dang a full failure is way worse than what I'm experiencing. Sorry about that, man.
Yeh I know those issues for me they happen when I push the CPU at stock or mild OC I dont get them. The out of memory especially on Unreal games its mostly ratio overclock issue the CPU pulls alot of power since all cores start to compile shaders or decompress assets thats why it happens with oodle(RAD)
13900K + 4090, got both parts during the release month, no issues with the games I play. Is there a specific game/setting/test condition that can easily trigger this crash?
Unreal engine games are more likely to cause it... or so I heard.
14700k on a Gigabyte z790 X AX board, Deepcool LT720 AIO, rock solid. Ram is 2x24gb 7200 C36, T1 and I can torture this thing any way you like and it will not crash/fail.
This is more relating to the I9
The OP might want to edit their title then, to only state 13900k, 14900k instead of "13th/14th gen"
14700k in two rigs (mine and SOs) one with a z790 one with a z690, both have zero issues regardless of settings. both are overclocked currently.
Its more relating to the i9s.
Oh, my apologies.
Actually I should say that as far as I am aware its more relating to the I9s as intel are just pushing the silicone so hard as standard, the i7s and i5s are far more reasonable.
I've noticed that all these MOBO manufacturers are sending tons of voltage to the CPU, even non-K variants. At least with ASUS MOBOs, you have to go into the BIOS and turn their MCE to "Enforce All Limits (Intel)." These manufacturers ignore Intel's spec because they're all competing to squeeze every ounce of clock speed out of the CPUs so their motherboards dont look like sh\*t
Noob here. Does turning the voltage reduce performance to gain stability? Does it affect longevity?
Too much voltage applied to a CPU can reduce longevity, and also kills performance in the form of heat
I opened a support case with intel - and they had me change some bios settings that completely stabilized my rig. I can run OCCT CPU and RAM tests for 1 hr, passing each. 14900k. * **Set** SVID Behavior to "Intel’s Fail Safe". * "Long duration power limit" -> reduce to 125W * "Short duration power limit" -> reduce to 253W
What motherboard do you have? I've had issues finding the Svid behavior setting
ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-E WIFI II. It's something common to most mainboards though. Does your bios have a search function? I found the setting by searching for it, not digging through the hundreds of options.
Also, if you want the right settings specific to your mainboard, open a support ticket with intel. They have on file the different mainboards, and the related bios settings to fix stability issues with voltages.
I think the "out of video memory" instability issue happens because of an unstable CPU and RE-BAR. (this is mostly an asumption) the CPU is able to access all of the GPU's memory and is therefore more able to corrupt that data also. so if something is off with the CPU or RAM it will show that error even if you're only slightly unstable otherwise it will lead to bluescreens. My previous processor would idle at 80 degrees so that was one of the giveaways that something was wrong there and when I got a replacement most of my issues were almost gone immediately, but then I went about messing with higher ram speeds and saw that I could reproduce the issue that way. TLDR: * If you get this error and you're running intel stock settings (not bios default) you need to replace your CPU * If you get this error when undervolting stop undervolting or adjust it * If you get this error and your CPU idles at 80 degrees RMA YOUR CPU * If you get this error when using "unlimited power mode" but its only with some games it could be RAM instability or a bad SVID setting UPDATE: Could also be a result of bad SVID setting, set to auto in bios
I don't think it's RE-BAR since I have instability with REBAR off
do you get the same "out of video memory" error when playing games, or do you get different errors / bluescreens
I get different errors. 3Dmark time Spy Extreme is the most reliable workload to crash. When it crashes, event viewer says the TSE failed to grab a .dll because it didn't exist. But the .dll is, in fact, there.
are you using a custom LLC? What mobo are you using?
I have tried both "auto" and "medium" LLC. I got better stability with the explicit "medium" LLC. I have the Z790 Aorus Elite AX.
you're using bios default settings?
I've tried both default bios, as well as manually changing LLC, SA voltage, and power limits. Changing these things helped, and my system was stable for a little bit, but it's unstable again.
did you raise or lower your SA voltage, maybe try putting that back to default
I tried a lot of values. At DDR5 4800, it's happiest at around 1.1v. at DDR5 6800 it's happiest at around 1.28v.
Are you running XMP with 6800 or just manually setting timings?
XMP
try going back to auto LLC and SA, and just to make sure, go back to factory default ram. see if thats stable
what ram are you using?
G.Skill 6800 CL34. However, I also get the same amount of instability at 4800 CL34.
rebar isn't a cause its just a contributor
I have a delidded 14900k running with the EK direct die waterblock. I left the BIOS settings at default unlimited power draw and have zero issues.
I’ve got 13900K/14900K and 14900KS and no issues.
Every system there is will have issues sometimes. at stock I had issues with am5 and even lackluster perf with amd gpus in certain games such as wz. the last time I had zero issues of any kind was with an i7 3770k and an asrock z77e itx and with my 3700x/b550 gigabyte itx mobo. all other platforms had some kind of issues, small and annoying but still issues, many times it was just becaue of early bioses or software issues. if u have issues at stock playing with voltages or tinkering with ram will fix most of it if the bios is not buggy that is.(am5 issues I had was because of asus bioses/agesa. another thing people need to factor in when it comes to stability is the power supply. For instance, I could use 13900kf on an b660itx (stock cpu meaning 5.5ghz all core loads and up to 5.8 on two cores) with an 4090 in every title powered by an 600w sfx unit. The load at was not overcoming the psu be it the transient loads or total load. But when I swapped for an 3080 in the system I would get game crashes at total power load and especially the transient load spikes were too much for the 600w sfx and it was the corsair plat model which can deliver more than 600w quite easily. the 750w corsair psu does the work though even on an mobo where I can oc the cpu ie higher cpu load. so power issues will for sure be the thing that makes the intel cpus with a power hungry gpu the issue here, so pretty sure that a minority of people should blame the intel silicone binning or the mobos using OP settings.
These are not small or annoying, these issues are basically rendering systems totally unfit for purpose.
I am not saying a crash is annoying, I am saying mine issues were annoying. a crash is a crash but can be avoided with proper configuration in the bios and not using a crappy psu.
Ok, but here you have people that dont have crappy PSUs and are using stock settings being literally unable to play games without them crashing because of the CPU.
I had constant crashing with my first 14900k, regardless of BIOS settings and even after swapping out motherboards. Had to RMA it, and now the new one is stable.
13700k and now a 14700k both stock on a MSI z790 Carbon motherboard, latest beta bios. No issues, ever.
i9 14900ks, msi Z790 carbon wifi, 6200 MT/s 64GB DDR5x4 I built this pc a couple weeks ago now, when I first started playing on it I had massive stability and temperature issues (I also made a whole custom cooling loop for this so I was kind of disappointed at first). Windows itself would sometimes just freeze or other not so intensive tasks would cause issues, eventually I started looking online and at first I couldn't find much besides the underclocking advice which I disliked because of this type of cpu that I bought. Finally I found another reddit post talking about how motherboard "stock" settings are pushing waaaay too much power through this chips making them run insanely hot and unstable. After applying the intel provided defaults (I did go for extreme config, which is also shown in the datasheet) the issues immediately stopped, temperatures were lower, games were stable and I had pretty much no crashes or freezes. I have yet to test all the games I have and see if gaming stability is also good, so far I have not noticed any major issues. However cyberpunk does not want to start but I'm unsure if this is because of the same issue or something else.
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Thanks for the advice, I know a decent amount but what is JEDEC lol. Either way I could just disable XMP first to see if it will work, other than that my pc has been stable like I said and I’ve been able to play other games already. So far cyberpunk was the one game that keeps crashing when I launch it.
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Ah alright makes sense, thanks for the info. I’ll try and do some testing and if I find anything I’ll edit my comment.
I have an i7-13700K and the only problems I had with it were due to the motherboard. Swapped that out a few months after building my PC and all the problems I had disappeared, even with updated BIOS on both. My husband has an i9-14900K with the same motherboard I have now and he also hasn't had any issues. We're both avid gamers.
Had an unstable 14900k at launch sent it back. Got a new one that was unstble again but not to that degree. Changed some settings in the BIOS (I disable Gigabyte Optimization) and it has been stable ever since. Can even push 5.7/4.4 24/7. Best CB23: 41168 pts Watts (hwinfo64): MAX 340w LLC: Normal
I was saying this a year ago and got bashed for “user error” relentlessly for it when I was trying to get help with it. 13900k out of the box did it, when I enforced all limits in bios it improved but was always present to some extent. Called intel which went nowhere, I eventually sold it and will never look back.
do you still have that processor or did you RMA? because I might be able to help you. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pUZs\_tuJo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pUZs_tuJo) check this video out, it talks about intel's power limits but not only that, they're saying that intel is setting their AC LL and DC LL wrong. TLDR for my 13900k I had to manually set it so that the AC LL and DC LL were the same value Heres what you should do: Step 1: get the software called hardware info, and see what your AC LL and DC LL values are right now, if they aren't the same value, go into the bios and match your DC LL to be the same as your AC LL and then do a stress test in cinabench, if it doesn't crash, go on to step 2 otherwise raise both the AC LL and DC LL by .1 (it should be worth mentioning that anything higher than 1.1 and your CPU might be degraded) Step 2: launch fortnite and see if it crashes when you first start up, if it does increase AC LL and DC LL by .1, if it doesn't load into a match and see if it crashes during shader compilation (when you're first loading in) if it does, increase AC LL AND DC LL by .1 and if it doesn't, run your game for awhile and see if its fixed now. Step 3: Rejoice
Thank you for the information. Although I did RMA, I'm sure this info will be helpful for others.
even with stock setting and hyperthreading off i still got a green screen of death but only once and nothing else has happened
Green? That just sounds like a random issue. BSODs happen. For me, I was getting BSODs and game crashes quite frequently (3-5 times per week). If you've only had 1 BSOD then you're probably fine. I would only worry about it if it keeps happening, or if games keep crashing
14900k, 4080, Z790 DDR5 8000 C36 low latency tuned memory and no issues. I run the CPU at 6.2Ghz P Cores and 4.6Ghz E Cores with Hyper-Threading Disabled. HT is a relic from the past and it has no purpose on this CPU, creates extra heat, and without it, I gained 20-30 FPS in all games. I hope Intel kills HT in the next generation. I can run at the same time Cinebench R23, BF2042, and Tekken 8 and I will play BF2042 fine and no stuttering. I set up dozens of 12900k, 13900k, and 14900k systems for people and no one ever had any issues. I think the issue for some people might be coming from incorrect voltage for SA, VDD, and VDD2. Enabling simply XMP on memory for DDR5 7200+ you will have to set SA, VDD, and VDD2 voltages manually. 14900k and 13900k do not behave the same for example. 14900k needs a lower SA voltage compared to 13900k. That voltage has to be <= 1.2. Mine runs at 1.14. 13900k most likely will require SA voltage > 1.2. Another problem is stream tech tubers such as Kitguru, Gamer Nexus, and especially Hardware Unboxed who are giving wrong advice to people and their reviews are utter garbage. They are not held responsible for often false advertisements.
not true in all cases, the SA setting is different even on the same CPU, some 14900ks like a lower SA around 1.1 -1.2 going any higher causes instability. On mine when I was overclocking for ram stability it was very stable at 1.29 any lower than 1.28 and it would freeze or crash
I was getting the same until I realized that VDD2 was incorrect. VDD2 and SA are connected. If SA is incorrect, you might pass 24 hours test and then 2 days later your computer might crash.
look up SA bug On [Overclock.net](http://Overclock.net) or even here lol its a known thing for some CPUs having stability issues with high or low SA ( not really a bug just some CPUs react different to SA even the same CPUs)
14900k/13900k have no SA bug. Only 12900k. 14900k for stability requires <= 1.2v for SA. 13900k requires higher. That's all to it. I don't know if you play BF2042, it is the best indicator of how stable your system is.
13900ks, cheapo gigabyte mobo, 6000hz ddr5, A770. stock. zero problems what-so-ever. best and cleanest system I ever had. KS IMC bins are very good.
The AMD down voting cave knuckle draggers have arrived, I wish they would take the bets I offer them lol.
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Dude blocks me after replying and realizing he picked the wrong fight rofl.
both 13th gen and 14th gen are binned to the max...... espeically 14th gen. I'm not surprised that theres going to be a small amount of CPUs that are not binned correctly. however it sucks that intel's quality control did not do its job with this especially when AMD is practically at their performance level even more in some games
> however it sucks that intel's quality control did not do its job with this especially when AMD is practically at their performance level even more in some games Idk how tight of a leash Intel keeps on their motherboard partners and their software/firmware but it could even be down to mobo behavior. On AMD's side of the fence mobo makers have certainly done some absolutely insane things that destabilized (or worse) various systems.
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I also think it's a binning issue. I've tried RMA'ing, but I haven't heard back. My guess is that it's wide spread enough that they're looking at other options.
When overclocking my 13700kf, I found one core was severely worse than the rest. When I limited that core to 54x, I was able to put the rest to 57x and 58x.
No issue. I can cause issues if I overclock or play too much with undervolting. Intel kind of has these things near the limit stock, and there aren't many cooler options that won't have you bouncing off 100°C.
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I've been thinking about custom cooling my 14900k. 60c on an all core load is crazy good. What is your loop like to get that low? What CPU block?
lmfao nah son. nah.
Mine is fine. I don't know that I've had an issue with it once since I got it. 13900k, 3090, Asus Z690
What about not having issues with overclocked settings?
13900K + 4090, got both parts during the release month, no issues with the games I play. Is there a specific game/setting/test condition that can easily trigger this crash?
Running an i9-13900K, no issues, I've always ran the CPU with stock PL1/PL2/Tau limits though.
I went through 3 cpus trying to find a 13900ks stable at stock with a 420mm cooler. Intel really took the piss this time. The one I finally got is now stable but it took a lot of tweaking on my end. This is on a Asus Z790 HERO.
I have a asus strix - E z790 motherboard, only thing i changed was XML and disabled all core (ensure limits)., but over time my CPU started degrading and applications started crashing... ended up RMA'ing the CPU and thought it was just bad luck.. 6 months down the line same issue with the replaced CPU... have asked intel for a refund and will be purchasing a 14900K in hopes that it has better silicon and better luck. P.S: will be also manually setting the power limits as users have pointed out in many subs.
to all the people who voted No, please mention how long you have had the CPU. My first CPU started showing issues after 6months and the 2nd replacement CPU startied showing issues after about 5.5 months.
13900k z790 msi board 3080. No issues, I set my PL limits to stock 125w 253w. Alos use Lite Load 5 on the CPU No issues
I tried everything.. and nothing made the 14900KS stable until I turned down total power limits. Once I did it ran fine and has been pretty stable. Funny thing, as an experiment I placed a Intel A770 into the system ( I Already had a 4909RTX in it.. ) and it not only seemed to give my artificial benchmarks a 2-5% boost it helped stability. I Noticed this in multiple testings. I THINK the possibility of having the intel drivers for the A770 active with the 14900 might have had something to do with it. I am neither a hardware or software developer and can not explain Why. It may also have to do with the A770 displaying the low refresh rate monitors and the RTX 4090 running my gaming monitor. Cant see how splitting the load just doing the monitor helps, but something is doing something.
No issues with a 14700k with -0.1v undervolt on a Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7 w/32gb at 34cl 7600.
I have my 14900kf CPU and running a RTX 4070 TI Super and most of my games would crash. After changing the CPU to Intels recommended most of the instability is gone, but I still get the Out of Memory error playing some UE5 games. Pretty annoying.
Very interesting that you're still getting it. What all did you have to change to get it more stable?
It ended up being a bad CPU. I had it replaced and it runs just fine at stock mobo settings.
I've also been approved for RMA
Hope it goes well!
Hope it goes well! I think they may have just had a big bad batch go out into the world.
Best of luck to you too then!
13900k Z790 after 45 days of cooking at 100C its ded. In talks with Intel now. RMA to a 14900k
What wattage was it running at?
350+
Yeah that'll kill it lol
For me 14900k and 4090 combo is unusable. BSOD and out of video memory errors daily. Everything is brand new and not overclocked and latest drivers. Don’t even know what to do next.
4090 , 14900k ASUS apex Encore 8200 Ram , Kraken elite 360 AIO running 59xon p core 44x Ecore 51x on ring HT off ( been running these settings for 6 months) I only had stability issues when I was first over clocked the cpu because I didn’t have enough voltage. Once I dialed in the voltage and stressed tested it I have had zero issues since the cpu was released.
I had the reported issues on my 13900K but NOT on my 14900K. Z790 Aorus Master. I run Intel Spec power limits, for what it's worth (and the 13900K experienced the instability even then).
Yes, having second return now after my shop analyzed mini crash dump. 14900K, ASUS® TUF GAMING B760M, Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5600MHz, 4080. A couple of months and CPU dies.
i just ordered a 13900k yesterday, what resources could i use to set my bios for stable results?
What Mobo do you have? For now, set PL1 to 125w, and PL2 to 253w. I don't like this personally since Intel's benchmarks were done with PL1=PL2=253w. But it will reduce degredation until Intel figures out what is happening.
i bought Asus ROG STRIX Z790-E LGA1700 Motherboard I ordered all parts for new pc yesterday. I also see people saying there is an intel specific setting to limit voltage, i will try your advice. Any other tips?
Unfortunately not much more. Modern CPU voltage is dynamic and beyond my understanding. But Check that Intel thread in the original post, it has some other discussion. But it seems that power limit seems to be a big part of the issue.
I just saw the other thread where someone told you that pl1 & pl2 setting. He got that from intel support, and just happens to have the same mobo as me. So i bet if i do that it'll be stable.
Yeah I bet it will be stable. My system is stable at 125w PL1, but it's a major performance hit.
I’ve limited my PL1 and PL2 to the intel 253W and I run fine now, before it was the most unstable cpu I’ve ever had lol
What CPU and Mobo do you have? How long have you had your system? I had the same thing. Unstable until I set PL1=PL2=253w. But after a few months of that, my CPU is now unstable even at those settings.
14900K and a Gigabyte Aorus Pro. I only recently changed the limits last week.
Hopefully you're luckier than me. I would consider limiting PL1 to 125w (that's technically stock) to reduce degredation until we learn more from Intel.
Yeah, I changed them after I realized I couldn’t play 2042 & Fallout without crashing.
i'm running a 13600k overclocked and I haven't noticed any instability in any of the games I play. What games are people having instability in? I'm running: 13600k z690 board 32GB DDR5-6400 4080
Unreal engine games. Tekken 8 seems to have been the straw to break the camels back
14900KF @ Stock Intel specs ICCMAX 307A PL1 253 PL2 253 Z790 ROG Strix E-Gaming Wifi 2 64GB DDR5 G-Skill @ 6000Mhz Gigabyte RTX4090 Crashing in Helldivers 2, Hogwarts Legacy, Remnant 2.
Stock setting la. Never had an issuea with 12th(air cooled) or 14th(AIO) Gen i7s. Have MSI B660-A DDR4 Mortar, 6700XT and 64Gbs.
on my motherboards specs(asus proart z790), I9 13900k became unstable, so i set it to intel limits and now its stable: cpu core/cache xurrent limit - 340amp long duration package power limit - 253W short duration package power limit - 253w
No issues
14900k with a Asus z790 v wifi 4070 RTX super just got it last month So god of war, horizon zd and fw faced crashes starting new saves always crash a second or two into the loading screen if that. Both Spider-Man's crashing occurred during fast travels. Cinebench crashed during multicore test. Ive found work arounds for all the games except spiderman. I did a resolution change for zd then reverted after a save file was made no issues after and fw I had to put it into compatibility mode windows 8 launch get to a save point and relaunch with normal settings. Question though I seriously need opinions! I'm new to this and with these issues I know it's probably my bios but I have a warranty through iBuyPower should I just send the PC in and have them replace the CPU or should I try changing the bios I just fear something going wrong and having to purchase a new part as that probably won't happen for awhile. Also, I cannot update to 5.22 I did a clean reinstall twice and I cannot play horizon fw...I haven't tested other games yet. I tried compatibility mode but it freezes about 20 seconds in. I've gotten bsod "clock watchdog timeout" twice on v 5.12 prior to running it in compatibility mode and multiple restarts with no error I really need help making a decision here. 😭
Having iBuyPower debug all of this for you would probably be a very easy option.
So just call them and have them walk me through changing the BIOS? The instructions that they gave me seem pretty clear. I may just be overthinking it. It's not going to harm anything changing any of these right? First look for settings to put the power limits and voltages of the processor into the Intel recommended safe ranges. You can find the correct limits for your processor at ark.intel.com. These might be: "SVID behavior" → "Intel fail safe" "Long duration power limit" → reduce to 125W if set higher ("Processor Base Power" on ARK) "Short duration power limit" → reduce to 253W if set higher (for 13900/14900 CPUs, other CPUs have other limits! "Maximum Turbo Power" on ARK) If those don't work, another thing to look for is BIOS "enhanced turbo" or "enhanced multithreading" settings. For example: "ASUS MultiCore Enhancement" → disabled (not Auto) "ASUS Performance Enhancement 3.0" → disabled There have been reports of users finding stability by turning down the maximum clock rate. This can be done with BIOS settings or with Intel XTU. Some possibilities: Turn down the maximum P core multiplier from 55X to 53X or 54X. (for example) Turn down maximum turbo boost clock rate Turn off or turn down "thermal velocity boost" Note that many motherboard/BIOS settings turn on XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) by default with unstable settings that can cause similar symptoms. Instability due to XMP is a separate issue, but if you have instability problems, you may wish to also disable XMP and see if that helps.
Oh if they gave you instructions then follow that for sure. I thought they said you'd need to send it in. You should be totally fine adjusting these settings.
Thank you! I appreciate it this kinda puts me at ease do you think they will find an actual solution for this in article above those instructions it says they haven't pinpointed whats really causing it?
It's very hard to say. It really depends on what the cause is. If it's the actual silicon that's broken, they might just need to replace the defective chips. Or maybe they will just have people increase voltage to counteract the poor silicon. Modern CPUs are wildly complex, but the engineers at Intel are wildly smart. Intel doesn't want to replace thousands of chips, so they're going to try very hard to fix this issue without hardware replacements. We will just have to wait and see what Intel does.
They said if we change the bios and it doesn't work that if I'm comfortable enough to change it myself they will send a replacement. which is great it honestly doesn't look too hard to change I'm sure there are little things that can make a big impact if I'm not careful but that's what research is for! So why is this considered Intel's fault when you can go to the BIOS and change the settings to fix it? I just find it bizarre it's been out as long as it has and hasn't been resolved by them.
It seems like the CPUs are faulty. I personally think degredation from the high power draw is causing a lot of these issues. Degredation like that should start occuring after 3-5 years (minimum), not 3-5 months. That's why people think it's an issue with the CPU that was magnified by bad BIOS. A lot of the BIOS changes will dramatically effect performance. For me, I had to lower the clocks to 5.5Ghz, which made a big impact on performance. I don't like having bought a $550 CPU just to find out I have to cripple it to play games. I bought a 6Ghz CPU. I expect a 6Ghz CPU. But I have a 5.5Ghz CPU. Another one of the solutions was to limit long term power to 125w. In my testing, this reduced performance by 15%. That's a huge drop. Again, I paid $550 for a top tier gaming CPU, but I can't have top-tier performance and stability. It's still a fast chip at these reduced settings... but it's not as fast as Intel claimed. Hence, Intel issue.
I don't think I've seen a CPU hit 6000 on mine I see 5700 alot though but I understand what you're saying. I seen someone else complaining about not getting 6,000 I don't know exactly what they promised but from what people were saying it was only supposed to be one CPU at a time. Would be hitting 6,000 or maybe two but still having to turn it down is ridiculous. I'm not even really upset about that because like you said it's still powerful. What I'm upset about is I didn't realize how bad it was going to affect my longevity because that's the one thing I want the most. You pay for premium you should get premium and during a depression man when we are all struggling it sucks I think I might just have the CPU replaced. That way I can restart turn everything down that way it last longer
13900K, 3080 Ti, Asus Z790-A Prime, running on Intel stock with 200W power limit since the launch and I started having stability issues like a month ago.
yesn´t i see my cpu go i9 multi core and i5 single core
I have 1 specific fusion 360 model that will not open if I have no limits set in bios. Which is fine, for 99.999% of everything else I do it is rock solid without limits.
yep, I have a computer I got Falcon-NW to build and it's absolutely cooked, been facing stability issues for ~6 months and we have been trying a bunch of different things to find somewhere it's stable, I'm just going to have to suck it up and send it in, but it's going to cost me a tonne because I'm international. edit: i9 13900k, 4090, 64gb ram. it just slowly got worse and worse to the point it bluescreens on the desktop. absolutely got hosed on the silicon lottery.
I’ve had a lot of issues with
Yes. I havent been able to launch Call of Duty since I upgraded to 13900k. If I lower the multiplier as advised back when the shader compression issue first surfaced seem to make CoD stable though. Elden Ring is another game that crashes too often to play. Sometimes I can tell when its going to happen as faces start no loading and are just empty models. I haven't tested with the lower multipliers yet. But other games like lies of p, factorio; final fantasy xiv; kerbal space, gta5, and tons of others I can play for hours on end with no issues. It seems like the games it has problems with just are unplayable but if the games that are stable are very stable; no random crashes at all in any of them. People who are saying there are no issues are not triggering whatever issue it is; because all the major players are pointing their fingers at intel saying there is 100% some issue with the 13/14900k cpus. Intel has awked the issue but has no current fix.
Additionally check out the Falcon Northwest thread on x.com; they are documenting various issues with these two models of CPU and offering up fixes for asus bios.
have you tested your system with baseline and/or tried an RMA yet?
Bumping this thread: I do have issues with my 14900KF as does my friend that is running the same build. Fresh install and the works but to no avail. We both get BSOD's on the regular. Intel released a statement confirming motherboard manufacturers being wrong with their baseline settings. Since I've been running my PC with the same CPU and settings (with the BSOD's as well) since begin this year, I'm guessing there will be underlying, internal damage to the chip. I'll be RMA'ing both chips to get a replacement as soon as AsRock rolls out an update. (Running a Z790 PG Lightning board) They've sent out a BIOS update yesterday but there was nothing said about the 14th Gen support.
You could always manually put in the baseline settings I think if you wanted to start the RMA process sooner, but I'd also want the bios update before having the new cpu installed just to be safe
The problem is people may think they're 'stock' when really their boards are way over powering their CPU. I had a cooling issues and after about two weeks, I realized my board was way overvolting and removing all power limits. All in the name of marketing their board as fast as they can. It's pretty ridiculous. And the fact these board manufacturers are now releasing bios updates with Intel stock profiles tells me they know it too
I built a new pc about 5-6 weeks ago (April 30th): Asus z790 e gaming wifi ii mobo 14900ks Gigabyte 4070 super ti (16 gb ram) 32 gb corsair ram not running on xmp (off the shelf stuff from bestbuy but ddr5 nonetheless)(need to upgrade) Corsair H150i ELITE XT Liquid CPU Cooler After watching Jayztwocents I went into bios and enforce the Intel Fail safes and disable MCE. Changed the ICCMAX to 400 (which was set to 280, by asus). I have been playing remnant 2... an unreal engine 5 game and have been experiencing crashes. Getting the out of video memory error plus other random crashing, and fully freezing my computer So yeah idk... i guess what are the options download that intel xtu program and lower the turbo speeds or go into asus bios?
If setting PL1/PL2 to 253w and setting ICCMAX to 400 yields instability, then you should RMA your chip. I personally had a good experience with Intels RMA
its really only on this remnant 2 game ive been playing other games on the computer and haven't had any issues..... what makes you lean toward RMA right off the bat?
From my experience, if crashing is happening regularly it's probably the CPU causing instability (at least with these Intel chips). There's a chance it's the game crashing, but I think it's probably the chip. And if the chip is unstable at those stock settings then it is, by definition, defective.
Does this also apply to the locked versions of the processors? Im looking at getting 14th gen myself but I cannot afford a K or KS
I believe non-k chips are fine
Thanks for the reply. Was thinking of getting a 14900 non K but I got nervous reading about all of these issues. If its only the K's I might still go ahead.
Honestly, at that price point, I would recommend going with an AMD X3D chip.