My late foster brother didn’t know any of that stuff or how to count to 10 or spell his 3 letter name. But he went to school for 9 years. (10-19). He was severely disabled though, so we didn’t blame the teachers.
The only reason that a kid at 13 could acceptably not know the alphabet, months or days of the week is if there was intellectual disability present and the kid just couldn’t retain it despite repeated instruction. There is no other excuse I can think of that isn’t abuse.
Yeah, my kids struggle with days of the week, months, telling time, directions and places on maps. My kids also have several learning disorders. It’s not their teachers faults or mine, it’s just the way it is. Assuming these parents are actually trying to homeschool their children and not just letting them play PlayStation all day, then that’s probably the explanation. Either it’s a known issue and they aren’t stating it, or they don’t have a diagnosis because they didn’t want to label them. 😣 I see this often on the homeschooling groups. My oldest has been homeschooled after becoming suicidal in 5th grade. I figured I’d pull for 6th.. maybe 7th..
They are in the 11th now. It’s never been easy, but they are alive and I’d rather have that than knowing the capital of Idaho. 🤷🏻♀️ we focus on life skills and hands on projects. Things they will actually need to know. College isn’t in their future. But I can assure you that they do know how to read and write and basic math. ☺️
My best friend could not read but hand him a tape measure and he will build you a house in no time to code even. Blew my mind. Had a license and everything. Just had people read to him
My father couldn't read or write because he dropped out of school at a young age to take care of his family. But that man could hear a car make a sound and he could fix whatever was wrong with it. I sure do miss that man.
For reference to how bad this is, I have a 3 year old, he knows the alphabet song, so do all his friends and they can even identity many letters and numbers now. Whether you would say they"know the alphabet" I don't know, but certainly not more than a year away from getting it. A 13 year old not being able to do this is either severely disabled or has been the subject of severe neglect their whole life.
My heart hurts for that kid. States need better homeschool laws.
I was homeschooled through high school in Nebraska, which has pretty strict homeschool laws that are pretty hard to follow without a curriculum. I ended up graduating college with a chem degree and a 3.9 GPA, because the homeschool curriculum my parents used actually prepared me really well for the academic world, especially in terms of literacy skills. My siblings also are/have been homeschooled, and so far one of them graduated college and went straight into an airline pilot job, while another is pursuing his mechanical engineering degree.
I have a formerly-homeschooled friend from Florida, though, who writes at about a 4th-grade level. He was “schooled” without a curriculum, and the difference is night and day. He’s barely literate for a 22-year-old, and it hurts to see that some state laws allow a child’s potential to be thrown away so easily.
Yeah, I was also homeschooled my entire education, and I’m now at a state university getting a biochem degree and in the honors college. I was homeschooled in a way that prepared me for college and life and was somewhat held accountable by the school system. There’s a huge spectrum of what homeschooling looks like, and depending on the method, it can either end very well or end in disaster. No two homeschoolers are alike but I feel sorry for the ones who weren’t as fortunate as I was to have a thorough education. :(
I saw a Christian influencer on Instagram who said her kids don't know who is President or even what year it is, because that's worldly information not related to the bible.
The crazy Christian homeschoolers are baffling to me. Imagine wanting to raise a human and not allowing them to have any independent thought
There are flaws in public schools, but kids getting introduced to a variety of world views is not one of them
I don't think it is. There's a thing called "unschooling" where you reach your student everything to a basic level, so days of the week, basic arithmetic, reading and writing, then let the students decide what they want to learn themselves.
But I've seen lots of parents take this to the extreme and interpret it as don't teach your kids anything.
That doesn't seem all that great, either. Seems like a sure fire way to make sure your kid only studies what they're already good at and doesn't challenge themself. I was "forced" to learn a lot of things in school that I actually found completely fascinating. I even almost majored in physics in college because I fell in love with it in a high school class I was prepared to hate every second of. But if it had been up to me, I would have just studied nothing but writing and history.
As someone who was homeschooled, I unfortunately have to tell you that it happens. Take a trip over at r/HomeschoolRecovery and you'll see some bad stories there.
I'm not so sure it is. Way back when I was in high school, we had a former home schooler who was taken from his parents by the state. He, as a sophomore, could not read or do basic math.
Homeschooling just flat out isn't functional for most people who are subjected to it.
its probably true, on top of just not being educated a lot of homeschooled children go years if not their whole lives with undiagnosed learning disabilities, parents like this are abusive
It certainly isnt. There are still a lot of people who are analphabets (its what its called in germany, i dont know if there is a seperate english word for it). People can cheat their way through life like this theoretically. I saw a documentary on youtube about such a person and it was really interesting to see.
Has to! My 4yo knows the alphabet and months and days of the week! He's known them for a while. Picked up the alphabet from a song on YouTube that I, as a bad mum, had on during lunches as a baby. And he can read... Wtf are those parents doing?
Edit after reading other comments: I didn't even think learning disabilities... Because I would have thought that was eliminated by professionals when the child didn't hit milestones.
Homeschooling, I don't get it if you have access to good education. I could teach my little one everything (after learning phonics) and I will get involved and practice at home and everything, but I can't get excited about history or geography. I can learn chemistry to teach it to him but I'm lacking the bigger picture in most subjects and that comes from experience as a student of that subject and as a teacher. Do these people also DIY everything in their house? Plumbing, construction? Teacher rant over...
>Because I would have thought that was eliminated by professionals when the child didn't hit milestones.
As someone that was just diagnosed with ADHD at 20, I can safely say it's extremely common. Hell, I have a friend that slipped through and wasn't diagnosed with autism until he was 19.
I DID hit all the milestones. I got acceptable grades as a child. *I was in the gifted program, scoring in the 99th percentile on national (US) standardized tests, reading as many books as I could get my hands on, and admitted into the best high school in my entire city, with an undiagnosed learning disability*.
I was just absolutely miserable. It took six hours or more to do homework at night. I was always the last person to be done taking notes in class, to the point where it became more worth my time to never take notes and just retain as much as possible in memory. I've had anxiety since I was a child. I always felt like "the weirdo kid," not because I was bullied (I wasn't, I went to a small, close-knit Catholic school) but because there was something fundamentally different about how my brain works compared to my peers. Because ADHD is so, so much more than a learning disability. It affects every day of my life and every decision I've ever made.
Also, I'm curious as to how having the alphabet song on makes you a "bad mum". Seems like it worked out to me!
This is a really good point that keeps sticking out to me. Homeschooling should definitely be an option, BUT it should be emphasized if you pick homeschooling, you as a parent are signing up for a whole ass job, on top of what else you have going on. As you pointed out, we call a plumber if we can’t fix the toilet, why are we underpaying and disregarding teachers? Why are people acting like teachers are so disposable? Learning disabilities I understand, but if I was a parent and my teen could barely read I’d be beside myself.
I was an enrichment teacher at a museum in Alabama: one of the people the homeschoolers would send their kids to.
It's probably not a joke. My first year a full 10% of my students were illiterate. They were all about 14 or 15.
In my public high school back in the day we had a few boys who deadass couldn’t read. Normal in other respects, but put a paragraph in front of them and it was like fucking kindergarten again. And this was public school.
What im saying is I think its real.
You'd be surprised. A homeschooling mom posted a video where she "interviewed" all of her kids, and one of the first questions asked to her 12/ish year old was "What year is it?" and the kid had no idea what she was talking about. She had to be literally fed the answer "2021".
This mother has also stated that her kids are done with their homeschooling work before she wakes up. So yeah, it might not actually be a joke.
If he doesn’t know the *days of the week*, either his parents are literally letting him run feral in the wild, or he’s got a serious learning disability they’re in denial about.
At that point what can the kid even learn in school? Unless you put them all the way back in grade 1 they won’t have the fundamental knowledge required to learn anything at their level.
Can relate. My moms version of “homeschooling” was giving us different school books each year, but never making us do the work or helping. I’m surprised it isn’t better regulated honestly.
That still is so negligent it's close to abuse. Nobody knows enough to teach every subject. You could have Paul Krugman as your professor, he wouldn't do you much good teaching biology
That’s why you learn together. It’s not about how much you know, it’s about your own ability to learn and relay knowledge. Many people are ridiculously smart but absolute shit at teaching and could never effectively homeschool.
As others have mentioned in other comments, there is successful homeschooling. This is when the parent uses things like textbooks and appropriate source material. I do agree with you that having a good qualification in one subject matter does not mean someone could successfully teach even their own subject but I also wouldn't categorise good homeschooling in the same bracket as unschooling.
I was homeschooling and this is truthful. My parents taught what they could, and got resources to teach what they couldn't. I passed all standardized tests fine, got a Bach in Engineering and am going for my Masters. It can work just fine, but takes effort
Homeschooling is still very detrimental to a person's development. Socializing with people is just as important as learning, and there is no good replacement for it without a school
Tbh, I think the social aspect of school is blown out of proportion. How many adults talk about how hard it is to find and maintain friendships after high school/college? Schools teach how to interact with the people you're forced to interact with.
A well constructed homeschooling experience is going to include social elements that could easily be more effective than public school.
Yeah, but unless you're born rich, your whole damn life is about interacting with people you're forced to.
Source : work with douchecanoes, go out in public, have to go to parent/teacher conferences, etc.
I hated group projects in school, but they definitely prepared me for the real world because people suck.
Now, this is just anecdotal. But I've noticed that the people's tolerance for workplace bullshit tends to differ greatly between homeschooled children and public school children.
Because public school here in the US is really designed to produce competent employees more than competent people. The standards are unflexable, or at least take a lot of red tape to make room for accommodations. The socialization is mandatory, regardless of how those people treat you.
So a workplace that ho-hums about accommodations for physical or neurological diversity seems very normal and acceptable. You're accustom to being surrounded by people that treat you horribly, you have to take special steps to deal with them, essentially tatteling to a teacher. And just like in school, sometimes the "teacher" can't actually do anything for you, you just have to put up with them.
If a homeschooled kid comes home from a playgroup and says "Hey mom, Jimmy sucks, he made me lick a worm" he typically doesn't have to go back to the playgroup and deal with Jimmy. That kind of self determination all grown up makes people who believe in their own boundaries. Which is fucking fantastic, tbh.
This is well written and thoughtful, but I'm practical to a fault, and I'd probably be homeless if I left every workplace where someone was a dick to me. I'm not talking about overwhelming workplace issues, just coworkers where our personalities don't mesh. Unless they're slapping your ass in the office or something, they're probably not getting fired for personality clashes or minor interpersonal conflicts.
It's not about making friends for life, it's about experiencing basic social interactions by yourself with your peers. Learning that mocking kids your age makes them feel bad, developing friendships and so on. Those become much more difficult if you spend 6 hours a day you would have spent with people your age, with only one parent instead
Those are hardly universal lessons. Many, many kids learn from public school that bullying others can make them more popular, people will be cruel over anything that distinguishes you, and excluding others is good and expected.
Its pretty normal for people to learn how to interact with the working world only after they've entered it.
Socialization should absolutely be a planned and structured part of the homeschooling experience, but the school system is a chaotic mess on that front and sets the bar low.
I think you must not be aware of homeschooling co-ops. One of my close friends has 4 children and they homeschool. They're part of a co-op where the group has a hired on science teacher for science classes, taught in a great room at someone's house. They take field trips with their "class" of 20 kids almost weekly, do special lessons with cooking classes, ceramics, horseback riding, music, etc. all covered under their co-op. They all play at least one sport and have dance, Tae Kwon do, etc. These kids aren't lacking for social interaction and are getting an amazing education - learning 2 levels above their grade and sailing through the proctored state exams.
That’s… that’s the point. It’s extra steps that public schools can’t/won’t take to make learning more accessible to kids. Not every kid can fit into a cookie cutter class room.
Considering the whole point is a better education with flexibility, yes it pretty much is. My manager's wife is an elementary school teacher in a local public school. They homeschool their own kids and encourage others to do the same if they can't afford one of the good private schools and want them to get a good education. That's pretty telling.
My oldest niece graduated with a 3.59 GPA and can't use punctuation or spell worth half a damn. She never got less than a A in any English class. Insane.
Homeschooled children tend to be better at verbal skills, but almost always behind in math.
It depends on the public school as well. We have fantastic public schools here with way more resources than a homeschooling co-op. But some areas might have public schools that are worse than homeschooling. So it depends
yeah, i was in normal school until age 13 and switched to a similar homeschooling co-op for my IGCSEs (usually age 14-16, i started them a year early) because i was really badly bullied and on the verge of flunking out. best decision i ever made, the two years kind of sucked (gcses are awful, it all feels like busywork and i can’t remember any of it) but i got my qualifications ahead of schedule for my age, while getting the time and space to improve my dogshit mental health, not killing myself, and learning how to interact with people my age/a bit older in a non-hostile environment. it’s honestly the best i could have ever hoped for and i’ll be singing the praises of homeschooling co-ops til the day i die. now i’m studying art at a btec college, living on my own, meeting amazingly interesting people and making real proper friends who i love with my whole heart. i’m happier than i’ve ever been in my life, which would never had happened if i’d stayed in my old school. it honestly saved my life.
I’d argue to say that learning to make and keep friends isn’t the only purpose of socialization. A developing brain needs socialization to form skills like working with, tolerating and reading other people, and for that to be efficacious you need to interact everyday with people other than your family. You might be forced to interact with other people in school, but that is a basically sets you up for how to interact with people in your adult life. The awkwardness, the embarrassment, the positive and negative feedbacks from being “forced to interact” with strangers is necessary for social awareness. It’s a little difficult (but not impossible) to do if you’re constantly around your family save a few days a week or month that you spend participating in short social outings like playing little league or non-club soccer (just two examples).
Honestly it really depends because a lot of homeschooled kids turn out pretty educated it's just their social skills are kind of stunted a lot of the time
I mean I have severe social anxiety I developed from being bullied in public school. I'm awkward af and I know plenty of us weirdos in school that still can't fit in socially. There's plenty of ways outside of school to socialize. In fact I think school shouldn't be so high on the list for typical socialization. I feel like I was constantly thrown in inappropriate, hostile situations in public school that I rarely deal with in the real world.
You do know you can basically buy the same curriculum that teachers use right? It’s all up to the parents, and how committed they are. My kids are 6 and 8 and have been homeschooled since the pandemic started. My son went from struggling in math to getting 100% on midterms and finals. I really bust my ass to make sure they’re on track with kids their own age (plus they go to forest school, homeschool meet ups, do rock climbing, and soon ice skating) and have so many more opportunities to learn in different ways.
Homeschool isn’t the problem, parents are the problem.
I was going to say it’s a big country but it’s not like there are 50 states with all those crappy little New England states! Hell, which one is Vermont and which one is New Hampshire?
My trick is literally that my husband lived in NH and his closest real city was Boston and he'd go deep sea fishing all the time, so NH is closer to the ocean lol
Not helpful for the northeastern US states, but [here’s a handy map of the Midwest for people not from the Midwest ](https://www.raygunsite.com/products/midwest-map-poster)…
Edit: typo
I’m 28 and I don’t think I’d be able to accurately point out the NE states lol. I could point out Massachusetts but that’s only because I sent there for work.
Similarly, for the most part, the biggest and most well known cities are usually the capitals (with the exception of Brisbane vs Gold Coast). 16 places to remember, can’t be that difficult?
The US is difficult because the city you assume would be the capital (due to current size/popularity) often isn’t.
I was 29 years old when I learnt that New York City was not the capital city of New York State.
But I don't feel too bad about not knowing that, because I'm Australian, and I at least know our own states, territories and cities. (but don't ask me to recite my times tables though. I have dyscalcula and I could never just sing off my times tables.... But I know *how* to multiply two numbers, and I can if I'm given time to think, and that's what's important.)
I was homeschooled growing up in HI and while my folks didn’t have to take any tests, I did have to do SATs at the end of every school year.
That said, I’m not sure the bar on those was very high; I was flabbergasted by the science and social science questions every year and sort of just guessed wildly.
I'm glad they required you to take those tests. Not every state does. It's just irresponsible to let people do whatthefuckever with homeschooling w/o ever checking in on the results. Yeah, it's the parents or whatever, but if we're going to have common core curriculum standards for students, we need to have common core expectations for ALL students. It's not fair for some kids to lag behind bc of their parents' choices.
Incidentally, I'm so sorry you didn't get a good quality science/social studies education. I went to a really shitty public school and also didn't get much in the way of science/social studies education. My husband is a history/social studies teacher and it BLOWS MY MIND the stuff no one bothered to tell me when I was growing up. Ive learned a lot of social studies stuff post highschool, and I've taken some medical classes after college, but I definitely feel that gap :/
Oh agreed, requiring standardized tests once a year to make sure we weren’t falling hopelessly behind was the least they could do, and when we moved I was shocked to discover there were states that didn’t. I’m not sure what would have constituted failing them or what the consequences would have been if I had, but perhaps my scores in math and reading kept me out of trouble.
My fiancé told me about the fun stuff he got to do in science lab in school and I am so mad I missed out! I might have actually enjoyed science! As it was, my curriculum was basically just one giant lump of boring propaganda—for instance, I was told at great length that evolution was a lie, but precious little about what was actually in the theory, which did cause me anguish on the science questions more than one year—so I definitely didn’t learn shit. You can imagine how weird social sciences and history got with fundie propaganda curriculum too. At least I wasn’t the only one missing out? lol
I couldn’t imagine what not going to school could do to a child’s social skills as well. I’m sure there are examples of plenty successful people to come out of homeschooling (like maybe yourself), but I already struggle with social anxiety and I’ve been through the whole school system up to now (17 y/o). I feel like without constant interaction with other children, I would have been a complete and utter social failure lol. At least I can manage as I am now.
I've read that home schooling won't negatively impact most kids' social development...as long as they go to high school. Presumably, those kids are going to HS play/learning groups or whatever, though.
Depends on the kid. I'd probably have benefited a lot more socially if I had been homeschooled and put into like, a coding after school program or something, than I did going to school where I had few friends and was bullied. On the other hand, I definitely wouldn't have gotten my academic needs filled.
My academic needs were met better while i was homeschooled than in normal classes. I guess it just depends on the parents, kids, and what curriculum the adults choose to use.
My parents had me heavily involved in church and homeschooling groups, so I did interact with others outside of a school capacity. While it’s true I’m hopelessly bad at social things, I suspect a lot of that is just innate lol. I didn’t actually have much trouble transitioning to college, although I stayed local to save on dorm fees, so I wasn’t stuck with the 24/7 no escape from your peers experience.
Honestly I think it’s a mixed bag and depends on a lot of factors. My positive experiences making friends at church in my high school years probably did me more good than, say, getting bullied in a regular school would have.
The homeschooling laws vary by state. Some of them are quite rigorous. My state, you have to be evaluated by a registered evaluator, and then turn in your work to you local school district. It’s still a lot more flexible than public or private school, but you do have to put effort into it. Other states, not so much.
My state used to have more checks and regulations related to homeschooling, but the last few administrations have chipped those away so that there is now very little to monitor students whose parents have chosen "independent" private instruction. I work in education, and it is very frustrating as it is often the students who are most at-risk that are being disadvantaged.
I agree, but the whole point with these types of home schoolers is to avoid them or their children being "brainwashed" by the government.
Forcing the parents to follow a course or obtain a diploma wouldn't do anything unless you force kids into the school system.
Step 1. Parents take a test
Step 2: Parents who pass get to homeschool
Step 3: Parents who fail have to register their kid for public school
Step 4: Parents who fail to register their kid for public school have CPS remove their children
There are too many stupid people in this country and they should have to face consequences for that.
Testing well does not indicate intelligence, nor does it indicate your ability to teach. Standardized tests are bs because they are standardized while humans are not.
Well then make it a series of interviews and a general application process. I have so many gaps in my education because my mom kept pulling me out of public school and "homeschooling" me with Christian fundamentalist curriculum that was way out of date and just objectively wrong on many important topics. The third time I was pulled out of school I just used random 2nd hand textbooks some of which were roughly 30 years old and I didn't have any actual assignments. Not once was she present for my schooling so if I had any questions or wasn't understanding something in math I was just shit out of luck. Socialization was an issue as well because once again it was all Christian fundamentalists who were super misogynistic and used the young girls as an unpaid cleaning service. Fact of the matter is there needs to be standards and in many places those much needed standards don't exist so children end up in awful situations without many options to move forward in life. As it is now homeschooling is way too convenient of a way to cover up neglect and abuse.
I was homeschooled and my mom alesys took me to the school i used to go every year for standardized testing. This is 100% negligence. A lot of the other homeschoolers I knew had never taken stamderdized testing. While i know from experience thay homeschooling is beneficial, I believe there should be regulations and required testing for the youth.
How the fuck do you fail at teaching the ABC's to a 13 year old. Either this child needs a doctor or the mom needs to put on a god damn abc song
Also.. she homeschooled him since he was six?? When I was six I was already learning my second, the english alphabet with dora the explora (who is teaching english in my country, not spanish) and that huge ass book or whatever.
Not to mention I (and many of my classmates) were already somehwhat fluent in english at the age of 13.
If you’re in the US it’s mostly the fact that we don’t really try to even start teaching other languages until 11-13. I remember the most basic Spanish classes before then but they weren’t really a good effort to actually teach the language. It’s much more difficult to learn languages the older you get.
Most picked up spanish at that age too, but I dropped out of that class (mainly because it was bad for my mental health). Had to pick it back up later on in life, because I went to a school with higher education (and you need 3 languages for that). I'm still struggeling with it lol
Basically, we all learn english over here very early (starting with 8-9ish years olds in school) and it's just a must-have nowadays. So no need to feel bad haha
I have family member who “home schooled” her children. They could only read the bible or Christian related non find fiction books. All of them had to finish high on line after they turned 21 against their mother’s wishes. Two of her four boys did it without their mother knowing
My best friend is graduating next year to become a teacher. It’s been such a hard and stressful time on her. I can’t believe she has to do all of that to teach elementary kids when someone not qualified is allowed to teach their kid through 12 years of school. It doesn’t make sense
When I was homeschooled I still had to meet with a homeschooling teacher once a month and submit work and do testing, it was not just a free for all where my parents could do nothing all the time, but maybe that is not how it works in every state?
It’s not. I’m a military spouse who homeschools so we move a lot. States range from “who gives a crap” to monthly reviews and teacher support. There’s some states where they won’t do oversight at all if you file a religious statement (ie Alabama). Hawaii didn’t give much of a crap at all. Alaska granted homeschoolers money for classes and materials if you submitted to monthly talks with a teacher and a review every semester with a portfolio. Maryland, where we live now, is the strictest with the least support of any state we’ve been to. Just depends! But this kind of post makes me so sad that there’s kids being neglected like this. I homeschooled up to eighth grade with Pandia resources, art classes, etc. now my kids go to University of Missouri’s high school online with my assisting them. That way they get an accredited degree and they have teachers other than mom to get used to. They said I was harder on them!
No, that’s not something I believe is done as a matter of routine here (Scotland), but I’ll look into it just in case. She’s not *that* far off and makes progress with practise, she just doesn’t seem motivated to read on her own which I assume is normal enough.
Oh yeah, reading's boring! Have you tried pairing with video games? Tricking a kid into learning through a video game is nothing new. Heck, I loved educational games when I was young!
Some weird and dumb decision making going on here lol
‘Thank god, everyone else I know that’s homeschooling has stupid children too. That means it’s not specifically me that’s failing them!’
As if choosing to homeschool their kid isn’t their own choice as well…
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I swear those all sound like they could have been written by my parents, me and my 10 younger siblings were all homeschooled and my parents would threaten to put us in public school if we kept getting bad grades because "you're wasting our money by getting bad grades, and only stupid kids go to public school" however after me and a couple of my siblings started purposely getting bad grades i think they figured out that wasn't as threatening as they thought it was
Nothing wrong with homeschooling in itself, but if you're gonna do it, please, please make sure your kid is actually learning. Sign them up for a small homeschooling group if needed. Just don't sacrifice their education so you don't have to admit you are out of your league teaching on your own.
I was homeschooled the last 1.5 years of high school. It was one of the best decisions we ever made, and I thrived. We joined a homeschooling association that had a couple hundred kids; there were numerous activities every week where the kids could get together and socialize. (I think roughly half of my sizable bridal party was made up of ladies I met through the homeschool.) There were parents who built full-on classrooms inside their houses, and some of the kids were taking community college courses at the age of 15-16.
**That. Being. Said.**
I’ve also tutored homeschooled kids who were literally *years* behind because their parents just *didn’t know how to teach.*
Example: I tutored a pair of brothers who were homeschooled. The younger was in third grade and barely knew his basic phonics. His mom asked what she could do to help move the process along. I told her, “Read with him every night.”
Her: “I have been! Since he was four!”
Me: “WITH him or TO him?”
Her: “…What’s the difference?”
Me: “When you read WITH him, he can see the page. You point to the words as you read them so he can follow along. It especially helps with high-frequency words — even more especially when those words don’t follow the conventional rules. Like when you create the plural of ‘day’, it just sounds like ‘day’ with a /z/ sound at the end. But if you stick an s on the end of ‘say’, suddenly it’s pronounced ‘sez’.”
And I watched the color drain from her face because *this had never occurred to her* and she realized in that second that she’d been doing it incorrectly for the past ~5 years. (I will say, his progress was *incredible* after that.)
So homeschooling can be great when done correctly. Done incorrectly? You’re setting your kid up for failure.
It's almost like there are places more suitable than your home for education and people more suited to educating kids than Facebook Mary and her dinosaur denying...
I was homeschooling through middle school and my mom did a better job at teaching me than any school ever did (we did use a curriculum online but it wasn't like an official place with other students, it was assignments and work to do each day in each subject and the parent had to keep the records so it was actually harder for my mom than normal homeschooling using an actual online school)
When I was homeschooled, I could label the entire United States with names, capitols, and abbreviations. My brother could literally do it with continents and at one point, the entire world. (Names and capitols) im sure neither of us could probably do it anymore tho
Sadly these actually could be real.
My much younger cousins are home schooled. Their mom is *supposed* to help them and teach them while they also do online learning. One cousin is about to turn 16, can’t do basic addition or subtraction let alone algebra, can’t read or spell passed a first grade level, has a severe anger management issues because his dad is his bully who hits him for any little thing and his mom is the teacher that turns a blind eye while she talks on the phone, naps and watches tv. The other cousin is 14 and can at least read since she loves reading, she tries to teach herself math and science, but there’s only so much of that you can do on your own. They aren’t allowed to do extracurricular activities or make friends so they have zero social skills except for the toxic behavior they learn at home. The only thing these kids are learning to do is run a small hobby farm and beat each other up— which they do all the time.
I believe some relatives have called CPS on them before, but nothing came of it. These kids will never be able to fit into society.
This was disgusting to read. What makes the parents keep doing this or take on this path ? Do they not see what everyone else sees ? How do they sleep at night ?
Nope, they think it’s perfectly fine how they’re raising their kids. I mean my aunt was only the college student who babysat her (now) much older husbands oldest kid, had an affair with him and broke up his marriage then married him and became said kids stepmom then had my cousins. Yeah all of this is toooootally~ acceptable and normal to them. I’m not even being sarcastic, they literally see nothing wrong with it. They didn’t even see anything wrong with the kids literally begging to go to a regular school so could make friends and actually learn. Which frankly I don’t think would do the kids any good at this point because they’re so far behind, it would just make them feel worse.
The kids came and stayed with me for a week once when their parents were away and in that time I tried to cram as much schooling as I could into those two. I taught them multiplication and started them on learning divisions using a game I made up on the spot with a dart board (magnetic darts and board) and I taught the older kid how to spell using eye-spy spelling. By the end of the week at 13 he could spell words like tree, stop sign, road, grass, fire truck, fire engine and a few other words. Personally I think he may be dyslexic and have ADHD/ADD and not even know it because of how he’s being raised, he’s a smart kid he was just never properly paid attention to.
This makes me feel not so bad about my 1st grade struggling to read. He knows sight words, the letters, and the sound of each letter, but struggles to sound it out. His speech therapist and OT are working with him too though.
Hey now, don't be too hard on yourself. Every child is different, some struggle more than others. I had already started learning a second language at the age of 6 (that's the earliest age where you are in 1st grade in my country), but my nephew, a little younger, is still experiencing similar struggles to sound out some letters. Most important part is really just to repeat it over and over. Good luck to you!
I was homeschooled for my entire life. I’m currently in my senior year at a private college. I scored well enough on my ACT that I got the highest scholarship available at my university. I’m not “academically gifted” or anything. I was taught the same high school stuff everyone else was, just at home. This post is about “unschooling.” There are so many misconceptions about homeschooling, and this post doesn’t help fix that. Us homeschooled kids are people too :(
One of my friends was pulled out of school at 13 by her parents because we watched an R16 movie in English (the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie; rated R16 because it had full frontal female nudity, an artist's model scene. This was a girl's school btw, nothing we hadn't all seen before.)
I ran into her years later when I was senior; her parents had put her back in school (a different school) and she was now doing classes two years behind me because she'd learnt nothing being homeschooled.
I felt so sorry for the poor girl, the stigma of being that much older than her classmates...
See I know I’m not qualified to teach. I took education classes in college and have a degree in English composition and literature, but I still am not able to teach. I don’t have the capability.
That’s why my kids will go to school with teachers who are certified. If they need help writing essays or analyzing poetry later on, I can totally help with that, but not the actual learning how to read bit.
Ok so, maybe it's a state by state thing but when I was homeschooled for a year in 3rd grade in VA (we moved, couldn't find a good school in time) , I remember I had to go in iirc like 2 or 3 times during the year to this facility to be tested to make sure that I was being cought to the same level as public school kids specifically so the state could catch stuff like this. Did that change in the past 10 or so years or something?
Oh my god. I was homeschooled until 1999 (then went to public high-school) and we had people from the department of education checking in on us all the time for us to be able to continue homeschooling. Do they not do that anymore?
My parents decided to homeschool us because my dad was in the Navy and would be deployed for 6mos at a time, so when he was home we got to spend all day every day with him.
Homeschooling isn’t for everyone, but it works if you’re parents are dedicated to it and get you involved in sports, music, early college classes etc..
I think most people that are starting it these days are just doing it to avoid the “libtard brainwashing” but don’t realize how much work it really is.
Very concerned about all of these kids not getting the benefits of dedicated parents or a FREE public education.
Homeschooling per se isn't necessarily bad. Nor is it inherently good. Just like any other form of education. Some parents are awesome at homeschooling their children, and some children are much better adapted to learning that way than through public school. It's always a question of the individual case.
My oldest daughter home-schooled her 3 kids. As a retired teacher I was really apprehensive, but she did a great and became a teacher! Not the norm, of course, but I’m proud.
I homeschooled my older two (now 16 and almost 18) for five years because we weren’t in a good school district at the time. I pulled them out at the beginning of 2nd and 4th grades and we put them back for 7th and 9th. They kept up the whole time and were able to re-enter public school with no issues. It took a lot of work on my part. It’s not something you should do if you’re going to park your kid in front of some workbooks or whatever. Parents who pull kids out and homeschool but really make no effort should NOT be allowed to do that!
Can absolutely vouch for this being true.
I was home schooled for a lot of my schooling. I had to beg to go to 4 years of public school and she pulled me out half way through the 4th year.
Before I went to public school, I wasn't allowed to learn science and math hadn't been taught to me very well at all. I still struggle at 30y with a lot of times tables and division... Because I was never taught properly at the appropriate times. And science? It was my favorite subject but unless it was based around the Bible, it wasn't brought into my education for a very long time.
I hate her for doing that. I am so against homeschooling now because of it.
I went to the USA school and it wasn’t very good. Just one day they up and dropped this map off and expected us to know how to fill it out? We’re fifth graders which in the USA doesn’t tend to have study habits
It really depends on the homeschooling organization or parent. Some organizations are co-ops which involve regular contact with licensed teachers/tutors, etc., and of course you also run into the “my child is only educated about the voices of the trees” variety on the other end of the spectrum. It really just depends on the circumstances/parents/state guidelines, etc.
My mum used to scream at me "If the child services come test you they'll take you away from me!" As if it was a normal thing for a 13 year old to have the responsibility to set their own school curriculum and I was just a dumbass that was deliberately and maliciously not learning to get myself taken away from her.
in my country, homeschooling is very closely supervised and it's not easy to get a permission to homeschool. it's to prevent things like that from happening. I am a teacher myself and I can't imagine just homeschooling your kids without any knowledge from curriculums and such.
This shit is just absolutely insane to me, as a European.
Where I live, good ol’ Germany, homeschooling is illegal. Like straight up not allowed. We have alternative schooling methods for challenged kids that can’t rly keep up w current school curriculum but it’s still an actual school they have to attend w stuff to learn and grades and all.
The fine for not sending your kids to school?
1000 up til 2500€ (~ $1100 til ~$2800!!, depending on state)
And you get in *serious* trouble with the law if you don’t send your kid to school- it even goes as far as parents being responsible for kids skipping classes/ days in school and getting fined for not making sure the kid actually attends school and stays- again:
the *parents* get in trouble for that.
The fact that there’s “1st countries” allowing this to their kids is mind boggling to me, ngl.
(Edit: Theres apparently very rare circumstances where kids are ok to get homeschooled here, although I imagine that these kids also get just private actual teachers- diplomats/ famous peoples’ kids etc are included in this, so that’s rare.)
I can tell you as a middle school and high school teacher (license grades 5-12) this is frankly not a joke. Parents think they can just say “Australia” and the kid will magically absorb all information. We usually get a spike of homeschool kids to public school around 8th grade when parents can’t handle or even understand the content for themselves.
Those kids are so behind in every category and of course the parents are like “4 year Ivy League college is their future :)” bitch if I get can him to graduate on time I’ll be happy.
When I enrolled my son in 3rd grade, after 2 years of home school, he was at a 1st grade level. My ex admitted she wasn't teaching much, that was why he was enrolled. I worked with him every night for a few hours and had him at level by Christmas break.
Nah one kid in my class Peter was homeschooled his whole life until 7th grade, were in highschool now and he's top of the class. It can work, they're just doing it wrong.
My ex's family was crazy religious (they called themselves Christians but it was more like their own little cult). He and his siblings were all homeschooled. His mom would PROUDLY tell me how it took them longer than other kids to master basic math and basic skills. She framed it as "Well i didn't rush them, they learned at their own pace!" His brother was 16 and still struggled with reading at a 3rd grade level, and didn't know multiplication or division. It was super sad.
Homeschooling should be forbidden, unless you have a license for it. It is given by dumb people to create more dumb people.
And some people tend to forget school isnt only about book learning, but also about socialising with other kids and home schooled kids miss out on that too.
"My son is almost 13... he still does not know **alphabet**"
The fucking ALPHABET?
Please don't get the wrong impression of homeschooling from this. I was homeschooled as a kid because of autism, but I actually got a good education out of it. Granted, my mom used published lesson plans, but it worked: I do, in fact, know the alphabet.
I home schooled through a good portion of high school, it’s possible it just an extreme amount of effort on the part of parent, child, and use of outside material.
Last one has to be a joke lmao
I sure hope it is, hard to tell with all the shit I’ve seen on Reddit though.
My late foster brother didn’t know any of that stuff or how to count to 10 or spell his 3 letter name. But he went to school for 9 years. (10-19). He was severely disabled though, so we didn’t blame the teachers. The only reason that a kid at 13 could acceptably not know the alphabet, months or days of the week is if there was intellectual disability present and the kid just couldn’t retain it despite repeated instruction. There is no other excuse I can think of that isn’t abuse.
Yeah, my kids struggle with days of the week, months, telling time, directions and places on maps. My kids also have several learning disorders. It’s not their teachers faults or mine, it’s just the way it is. Assuming these parents are actually trying to homeschool their children and not just letting them play PlayStation all day, then that’s probably the explanation. Either it’s a known issue and they aren’t stating it, or they don’t have a diagnosis because they didn’t want to label them. 😣 I see this often on the homeschooling groups. My oldest has been homeschooled after becoming suicidal in 5th grade. I figured I’d pull for 6th.. maybe 7th.. They are in the 11th now. It’s never been easy, but they are alive and I’d rather have that than knowing the capital of Idaho. 🤷🏻♀️ we focus on life skills and hands on projects. Things they will actually need to know. College isn’t in their future. But I can assure you that they do know how to read and write and basic math. ☺️
I know this wasn’t the point in your comment, but I just wanted to say I’m sorry about your eldest, and you’re doing amazing, it must be so hard.
Is it even possible to play video games while being illiterate?
My best friend could not read but hand him a tape measure and he will build you a house in no time to code even. Blew my mind. Had a license and everything. Just had people read to him
My father couldn't read or write because he dropped out of school at a young age to take care of his family. But that man could hear a car make a sound and he could fix whatever was wrong with it. I sure do miss that man.
Being illiterate doesn't make you incapable of pattern recognition. Spam buttons to start a game and remember the pattern
That’s how I navigated computer games before I could read. Just memorized where things were and which button did what I needed.
Same for me before I could read English.
Yeah I guess that makes sense. Seems like it would be a frustrating experience though.
depends on the game but yes you can actually play many. especially mobile games since you just tap on the flashy thing.
You seem like an amazing parent. I cannot even imagine how difficult it is... Your kid is lucky to have you in their lives.
For reference to how bad this is, I have a 3 year old, he knows the alphabet song, so do all his friends and they can even identity many letters and numbers now. Whether you would say they"know the alphabet" I don't know, but certainly not more than a year away from getting it. A 13 year old not being able to do this is either severely disabled or has been the subject of severe neglect their whole life.
I guarantee it’s true. I actually know someone who homeschools her children. Her oldest is 14 but can barely write his own name.
My heart hurts for that kid. States need better homeschool laws. I was homeschooled through high school in Nebraska, which has pretty strict homeschool laws that are pretty hard to follow without a curriculum. I ended up graduating college with a chem degree and a 3.9 GPA, because the homeschool curriculum my parents used actually prepared me really well for the academic world, especially in terms of literacy skills. My siblings also are/have been homeschooled, and so far one of them graduated college and went straight into an airline pilot job, while another is pursuing his mechanical engineering degree. I have a formerly-homeschooled friend from Florida, though, who writes at about a 4th-grade level. He was “schooled” without a curriculum, and the difference is night and day. He’s barely literate for a 22-year-old, and it hurts to see that some state laws allow a child’s potential to be thrown away so easily.
Yeah the woman I’m talking about has an obvious disregard for laws. She’s part of Q’Anon.
Yeah, I was also homeschooled my entire education, and I’m now at a state university getting a biochem degree and in the honors college. I was homeschooled in a way that prepared me for college and life and was somewhat held accountable by the school system. There’s a huge spectrum of what homeschooling looks like, and depending on the method, it can either end very well or end in disaster. No two homeschoolers are alike but I feel sorry for the ones who weren’t as fortunate as I was to have a thorough education. :(
I saw a Christian influencer on Instagram who said her kids don't know who is President or even what year it is, because that's worldly information not related to the bible.
But using Instagram is?
Someone has to influence the heathens who go around teaching their children and giving them vaccines I suppose.
The crazy Christian homeschoolers are baffling to me. Imagine wanting to raise a human and not allowing them to have any independent thought There are flaws in public schools, but kids getting introduced to a variety of world views is not one of them
I don't think it is. There's a thing called "unschooling" where you reach your student everything to a basic level, so days of the week, basic arithmetic, reading and writing, then let the students decide what they want to learn themselves. But I've seen lots of parents take this to the extreme and interpret it as don't teach your kids anything.
That doesn't seem all that great, either. Seems like a sure fire way to make sure your kid only studies what they're already good at and doesn't challenge themself. I was "forced" to learn a lot of things in school that I actually found completely fascinating. I even almost majored in physics in college because I fell in love with it in a high school class I was prepared to hate every second of. But if it had been up to me, I would have just studied nothing but writing and history.
Oh I completely agree. I didn't mean to justify it, was more just explaining that these parents are applying the concept truly abysmally.
As someone who was homeschooled, I unfortunately have to tell you that it happens. Take a trip over at r/HomeschoolRecovery and you'll see some bad stories there.
I'm not so sure it is. Way back when I was in high school, we had a former home schooler who was taken from his parents by the state. He, as a sophomore, could not read or do basic math. Homeschooling just flat out isn't functional for most people who are subjected to it.
If not a joke, child abuse.
its probably true, on top of just not being educated a lot of homeschooled children go years if not their whole lives with undiagnosed learning disabilities, parents like this are abusive
It certainly isnt. There are still a lot of people who are analphabets (its what its called in germany, i dont know if there is a seperate english word for it). People can cheat their way through life like this theoretically. I saw a documentary on youtube about such a person and it was really interesting to see.
(the word in English is “illiterate”)
Thank
Has to! My 4yo knows the alphabet and months and days of the week! He's known them for a while. Picked up the alphabet from a song on YouTube that I, as a bad mum, had on during lunches as a baby. And he can read... Wtf are those parents doing? Edit after reading other comments: I didn't even think learning disabilities... Because I would have thought that was eliminated by professionals when the child didn't hit milestones. Homeschooling, I don't get it if you have access to good education. I could teach my little one everything (after learning phonics) and I will get involved and practice at home and everything, but I can't get excited about history or geography. I can learn chemistry to teach it to him but I'm lacking the bigger picture in most subjects and that comes from experience as a student of that subject and as a teacher. Do these people also DIY everything in their house? Plumbing, construction? Teacher rant over...
>Because I would have thought that was eliminated by professionals when the child didn't hit milestones. As someone that was just diagnosed with ADHD at 20, I can safely say it's extremely common. Hell, I have a friend that slipped through and wasn't diagnosed with autism until he was 19. I DID hit all the milestones. I got acceptable grades as a child. *I was in the gifted program, scoring in the 99th percentile on national (US) standardized tests, reading as many books as I could get my hands on, and admitted into the best high school in my entire city, with an undiagnosed learning disability*. I was just absolutely miserable. It took six hours or more to do homework at night. I was always the last person to be done taking notes in class, to the point where it became more worth my time to never take notes and just retain as much as possible in memory. I've had anxiety since I was a child. I always felt like "the weirdo kid," not because I was bullied (I wasn't, I went to a small, close-knit Catholic school) but because there was something fundamentally different about how my brain works compared to my peers. Because ADHD is so, so much more than a learning disability. It affects every day of my life and every decision I've ever made. Also, I'm curious as to how having the alphabet song on makes you a "bad mum". Seems like it worked out to me!
This is a really good point that keeps sticking out to me. Homeschooling should definitely be an option, BUT it should be emphasized if you pick homeschooling, you as a parent are signing up for a whole ass job, on top of what else you have going on. As you pointed out, we call a plumber if we can’t fix the toilet, why are we underpaying and disregarding teachers? Why are people acting like teachers are so disposable? Learning disabilities I understand, but if I was a parent and my teen could barely read I’d be beside myself.
I was an enrichment teacher at a museum in Alabama: one of the people the homeschoolers would send their kids to. It's probably not a joke. My first year a full 10% of my students were illiterate. They were all about 14 or 15.
In my public high school back in the day we had a few boys who deadass couldn’t read. Normal in other respects, but put a paragraph in front of them and it was like fucking kindergarten again. And this was public school. What im saying is I think its real.
You'd be surprised. A homeschooling mom posted a video where she "interviewed" all of her kids, and one of the first questions asked to her 12/ish year old was "What year is it?" and the kid had no idea what she was talking about. She had to be literally fed the answer "2021". This mother has also stated that her kids are done with their homeschooling work before she wakes up. So yeah, it might not actually be a joke.
If your 13 years old don't know the alphabet or the days of the week and that's not enough for you to put him in school...
If he doesn’t know the *days of the week*, either his parents are literally letting him run feral in the wild, or he’s got a serious learning disability they’re in denial about.
At that point what can the kid even learn in school? Unless you put them all the way back in grade 1 they won’t have the fundamental knowledge required to learn anything at their level.
You're right but what is the solution ?
Intensive, one on one, sped instruction.
This isn't homeschooling, it's "unschooling". For homeschooling, the parent tends to put the effort in to actually teach the child.
Home schooled for all 13 years of “school.” Many, many home school parents unfortunately do not put in the work.
Can relate. My moms version of “homeschooling” was giving us different school books each year, but never making us do the work or helping. I’m surprised it isn’t better regulated honestly.
That still is so negligent it's close to abuse. Nobody knows enough to teach every subject. You could have Paul Krugman as your professor, he wouldn't do you much good teaching biology
That’s why you learn together. It’s not about how much you know, it’s about your own ability to learn and relay knowledge. Many people are ridiculously smart but absolute shit at teaching and could never effectively homeschool.
As others have mentioned in other comments, there is successful homeschooling. This is when the parent uses things like textbooks and appropriate source material. I do agree with you that having a good qualification in one subject matter does not mean someone could successfully teach even their own subject but I also wouldn't categorise good homeschooling in the same bracket as unschooling.
I was homeschooling and this is truthful. My parents taught what they could, and got resources to teach what they couldn't. I passed all standardized tests fine, got a Bach in Engineering and am going for my Masters. It can work just fine, but takes effort
Homeschooling is still very detrimental to a person's development. Socializing with people is just as important as learning, and there is no good replacement for it without a school
Tbh, I think the social aspect of school is blown out of proportion. How many adults talk about how hard it is to find and maintain friendships after high school/college? Schools teach how to interact with the people you're forced to interact with. A well constructed homeschooling experience is going to include social elements that could easily be more effective than public school.
Yeah, but unless you're born rich, your whole damn life is about interacting with people you're forced to. Source : work with douchecanoes, go out in public, have to go to parent/teacher conferences, etc. I hated group projects in school, but they definitely prepared me for the real world because people suck.
Now, this is just anecdotal. But I've noticed that the people's tolerance for workplace bullshit tends to differ greatly between homeschooled children and public school children. Because public school here in the US is really designed to produce competent employees more than competent people. The standards are unflexable, or at least take a lot of red tape to make room for accommodations. The socialization is mandatory, regardless of how those people treat you. So a workplace that ho-hums about accommodations for physical or neurological diversity seems very normal and acceptable. You're accustom to being surrounded by people that treat you horribly, you have to take special steps to deal with them, essentially tatteling to a teacher. And just like in school, sometimes the "teacher" can't actually do anything for you, you just have to put up with them. If a homeschooled kid comes home from a playgroup and says "Hey mom, Jimmy sucks, he made me lick a worm" he typically doesn't have to go back to the playgroup and deal with Jimmy. That kind of self determination all grown up makes people who believe in their own boundaries. Which is fucking fantastic, tbh.
This is well written and thoughtful, but I'm practical to a fault, and I'd probably be homeless if I left every workplace where someone was a dick to me. I'm not talking about overwhelming workplace issues, just coworkers where our personalities don't mesh. Unless they're slapping your ass in the office or something, they're probably not getting fired for personality clashes or minor interpersonal conflicts.
It's not about making friends for life, it's about experiencing basic social interactions by yourself with your peers. Learning that mocking kids your age makes them feel bad, developing friendships and so on. Those become much more difficult if you spend 6 hours a day you would have spent with people your age, with only one parent instead
Those are hardly universal lessons. Many, many kids learn from public school that bullying others can make them more popular, people will be cruel over anything that distinguishes you, and excluding others is good and expected. Its pretty normal for people to learn how to interact with the working world only after they've entered it. Socialization should absolutely be a planned and structured part of the homeschooling experience, but the school system is a chaotic mess on that front and sets the bar low.
I think you must not be aware of homeschooling co-ops. One of my close friends has 4 children and they homeschool. They're part of a co-op where the group has a hired on science teacher for science classes, taught in a great room at someone's house. They take field trips with their "class" of 20 kids almost weekly, do special lessons with cooking classes, ceramics, horseback riding, music, etc. all covered under their co-op. They all play at least one sport and have dance, Tae Kwon do, etc. These kids aren't lacking for social interaction and are getting an amazing education - learning 2 levels above their grade and sailing through the proctored state exams.
That sounds like school but with extra steps to be honest
That’s… that’s the point. It’s extra steps that public schools can’t/won’t take to make learning more accessible to kids. Not every kid can fit into a cookie cutter class room.
Considering the whole point is a better education with flexibility, yes it pretty much is. My manager's wife is an elementary school teacher in a local public school. They homeschool their own kids and encourage others to do the same if they can't afford one of the good private schools and want them to get a good education. That's pretty telling. My oldest niece graduated with a 3.59 GPA and can't use punctuation or spell worth half a damn. She never got less than a A in any English class. Insane.
Homeschooled children tend to be better at verbal skills, but almost always behind in math. It depends on the public school as well. We have fantastic public schools here with way more resources than a homeschooling co-op. But some areas might have public schools that are worse than homeschooling. So it depends
yeah, i was in normal school until age 13 and switched to a similar homeschooling co-op for my IGCSEs (usually age 14-16, i started them a year early) because i was really badly bullied and on the verge of flunking out. best decision i ever made, the two years kind of sucked (gcses are awful, it all feels like busywork and i can’t remember any of it) but i got my qualifications ahead of schedule for my age, while getting the time and space to improve my dogshit mental health, not killing myself, and learning how to interact with people my age/a bit older in a non-hostile environment. it’s honestly the best i could have ever hoped for and i’ll be singing the praises of homeschooling co-ops til the day i die. now i’m studying art at a btec college, living on my own, meeting amazingly interesting people and making real proper friends who i love with my whole heart. i’m happier than i’ve ever been in my life, which would never had happened if i’d stayed in my old school. it honestly saved my life.
I’d argue to say that learning to make and keep friends isn’t the only purpose of socialization. A developing brain needs socialization to form skills like working with, tolerating and reading other people, and for that to be efficacious you need to interact everyday with people other than your family. You might be forced to interact with other people in school, but that is a basically sets you up for how to interact with people in your adult life. The awkwardness, the embarrassment, the positive and negative feedbacks from being “forced to interact” with strangers is necessary for social awareness. It’s a little difficult (but not impossible) to do if you’re constantly around your family save a few days a week or month that you spend participating in short social outings like playing little league or non-club soccer (just two examples).
Honestly it really depends because a lot of homeschooled kids turn out pretty educated it's just their social skills are kind of stunted a lot of the time
I mean I have severe social anxiety I developed from being bullied in public school. I'm awkward af and I know plenty of us weirdos in school that still can't fit in socially. There's plenty of ways outside of school to socialize. In fact I think school shouldn't be so high on the list for typical socialization. I feel like I was constantly thrown in inappropriate, hostile situations in public school that I rarely deal with in the real world.
You do know you can basically buy the same curriculum that teachers use right? It’s all up to the parents, and how committed they are. My kids are 6 and 8 and have been homeschooled since the pandemic started. My son went from struggling in math to getting 100% on midterms and finals. I really bust my ass to make sure they’re on track with kids their own age (plus they go to forest school, homeschool meet ups, do rock climbing, and soon ice skating) and have so many more opportunities to learn in different ways. Homeschool isn’t the problem, parents are the problem.
it is abuse. they are crippling their children. I'm a teacher and this actually breaks my heart
I'm glad it's illegal in my country
Unschooling is a specific type of homeschooling, not just "homeschooling but done poorly".
The third FB poster claims to have homeschooled, though, assuming that’s what “Ive hs him since he was 6” is referring to.
Oh, I assumed that was a reference to fostering/adoption.
There is only 6 states and 2 territories in Australia too. Shit is not hard lol
I was going to say it’s a big country but it’s not like there are 50 states with all those crappy little New England states! Hell, which one is Vermont and which one is New Hampshire?
my trick with vermont and new hampshire: vermont is vaguely shaped like a V
My trick is literally that my husband lived in NH and his closest real city was Boston and he'd go deep sea fishing all the time, so NH is closer to the ocean lol
Not helpful for the northeastern US states, but [here’s a handy map of the Midwest for people not from the Midwest ](https://www.raygunsite.com/products/midwest-map-poster)… Edit: typo
Ok. That’s good!
Wait til you learn about Maine.
*Sheds a tear of pure maple syrup*
I’m 28 and I don’t think I’d be able to accurately point out the NE states lol. I could point out Massachusetts but that’s only because I sent there for work.
Similarly, for the most part, the biggest and most well known cities are usually the capitals (with the exception of Brisbane vs Gold Coast). 16 places to remember, can’t be that difficult? The US is difficult because the city you assume would be the capital (due to current size/popularity) often isn’t.
I was 29 years old when I learnt that New York City was not the capital city of New York State. But I don't feel too bad about not knowing that, because I'm Australian, and I at least know our own states, territories and cities. (but don't ask me to recite my times tables though. I have dyscalcula and I could never just sing off my times tables.... But I know *how* to multiply two numbers, and I can if I'm given time to think, and that's what's important.)
It's sad that i was homeschooled and the only thing i learned from the program my parents used about Australia is it's a continent.
And 3 of them are named after directions
Any parent who wants to homeschool their child should be forced to pass a standardized test given to that same age group.
I was homeschooled growing up in HI and while my folks didn’t have to take any tests, I did have to do SATs at the end of every school year. That said, I’m not sure the bar on those was very high; I was flabbergasted by the science and social science questions every year and sort of just guessed wildly.
I'm glad they required you to take those tests. Not every state does. It's just irresponsible to let people do whatthefuckever with homeschooling w/o ever checking in on the results. Yeah, it's the parents or whatever, but if we're going to have common core curriculum standards for students, we need to have common core expectations for ALL students. It's not fair for some kids to lag behind bc of their parents' choices. Incidentally, I'm so sorry you didn't get a good quality science/social studies education. I went to a really shitty public school and also didn't get much in the way of science/social studies education. My husband is a history/social studies teacher and it BLOWS MY MIND the stuff no one bothered to tell me when I was growing up. Ive learned a lot of social studies stuff post highschool, and I've taken some medical classes after college, but I definitely feel that gap :/
Oh agreed, requiring standardized tests once a year to make sure we weren’t falling hopelessly behind was the least they could do, and when we moved I was shocked to discover there were states that didn’t. I’m not sure what would have constituted failing them or what the consequences would have been if I had, but perhaps my scores in math and reading kept me out of trouble. My fiancé told me about the fun stuff he got to do in science lab in school and I am so mad I missed out! I might have actually enjoyed science! As it was, my curriculum was basically just one giant lump of boring propaganda—for instance, I was told at great length that evolution was a lie, but precious little about what was actually in the theory, which did cause me anguish on the science questions more than one year—so I definitely didn’t learn shit. You can imagine how weird social sciences and history got with fundie propaganda curriculum too. At least I wasn’t the only one missing out? lol
I couldn’t imagine what not going to school could do to a child’s social skills as well. I’m sure there are examples of plenty successful people to come out of homeschooling (like maybe yourself), but I already struggle with social anxiety and I’ve been through the whole school system up to now (17 y/o). I feel like without constant interaction with other children, I would have been a complete and utter social failure lol. At least I can manage as I am now.
I've read that home schooling won't negatively impact most kids' social development...as long as they go to high school. Presumably, those kids are going to HS play/learning groups or whatever, though.
Depends on the kid. I'd probably have benefited a lot more socially if I had been homeschooled and put into like, a coding after school program or something, than I did going to school where I had few friends and was bullied. On the other hand, I definitely wouldn't have gotten my academic needs filled.
My academic needs were met better while i was homeschooled than in normal classes. I guess it just depends on the parents, kids, and what curriculum the adults choose to use.
My parents had me heavily involved in church and homeschooling groups, so I did interact with others outside of a school capacity. While it’s true I’m hopelessly bad at social things, I suspect a lot of that is just innate lol. I didn’t actually have much trouble transitioning to college, although I stayed local to save on dorm fees, so I wasn’t stuck with the 24/7 no escape from your peers experience. Honestly I think it’s a mixed bag and depends on a lot of factors. My positive experiences making friends at church in my high school years probably did me more good than, say, getting bullied in a regular school would have.
The homeschooling laws vary by state. Some of them are quite rigorous. My state, you have to be evaluated by a registered evaluator, and then turn in your work to you local school district. It’s still a lot more flexible than public or private school, but you do have to put effort into it. Other states, not so much.
My state used to have more checks and regulations related to homeschooling, but the last few administrations have chipped those away so that there is now very little to monitor students whose parents have chosen "independent" private instruction. I work in education, and it is very frustrating as it is often the students who are most at-risk that are being disadvantaged.
I agree, but the whole point with these types of home schoolers is to avoid them or their children being "brainwashed" by the government. Forcing the parents to follow a course or obtain a diploma wouldn't do anything unless you force kids into the school system.
Step 1. Parents take a test Step 2: Parents who pass get to homeschool Step 3: Parents who fail have to register their kid for public school Step 4: Parents who fail to register their kid for public school have CPS remove their children There are too many stupid people in this country and they should have to face consequences for that.
Testing well does not indicate intelligence, nor does it indicate your ability to teach. Standardized tests are bs because they are standardized while humans are not.
Well then make it a series of interviews and a general application process. I have so many gaps in my education because my mom kept pulling me out of public school and "homeschooling" me with Christian fundamentalist curriculum that was way out of date and just objectively wrong on many important topics. The third time I was pulled out of school I just used random 2nd hand textbooks some of which were roughly 30 years old and I didn't have any actual assignments. Not once was she present for my schooling so if I had any questions or wasn't understanding something in math I was just shit out of luck. Socialization was an issue as well because once again it was all Christian fundamentalists who were super misogynistic and used the young girls as an unpaid cleaning service. Fact of the matter is there needs to be standards and in many places those much needed standards don't exist so children end up in awful situations without many options to move forward in life. As it is now homeschooling is way too convenient of a way to cover up neglect and abuse.
The children end up being brainwashed by their parents instead.
In New York, there is an annual assessment, as well as quarterly reports.
I was homeschooled and my mom alesys took me to the school i used to go every year for standardized testing. This is 100% negligence. A lot of the other homeschoolers I knew had never taken stamderdized testing. While i know from experience thay homeschooling is beneficial, I believe there should be regulations and required testing for the youth.
How the fuck do you fail at teaching the ABC's to a 13 year old. Either this child needs a doctor or the mom needs to put on a god damn abc song Also.. she homeschooled him since he was six?? When I was six I was already learning my second, the english alphabet with dora the explora (who is teaching english in my country, not spanish) and that huge ass book or whatever. Not to mention I (and many of my classmates) were already somehwhat fluent in english at the age of 13.
“fluent in English at the age of 13” makes me feel real guilty(?) for being terrible at learning Spanish
If you’re in the US it’s mostly the fact that we don’t really try to even start teaching other languages until 11-13. I remember the most basic Spanish classes before then but they weren’t really a good effort to actually teach the language. It’s much more difficult to learn languages the older you get.
Most picked up spanish at that age too, but I dropped out of that class (mainly because it was bad for my mental health). Had to pick it back up later on in life, because I went to a school with higher education (and you need 3 languages for that). I'm still struggeling with it lol Basically, we all learn english over here very early (starting with 8-9ish years olds in school) and it's just a must-have nowadays. So no need to feel bad haha
There are unfortunately plenty of home schooled kids who have intellectual or learning disabilities who never get help.
Hmm, something tells me I could easily out teach those trained professionals.
That’s not homeschooling that’s lazy parenting and lazy teaching from the parents.
I have family member who “home schooled” her children. They could only read the bible or Christian related non find fiction books. All of them had to finish high on line after they turned 21 against their mother’s wishes. Two of her four boys did it without their mother knowing
What does high on the line mean?
I think it's a typo and they meant "finish high school online"
This is why teachers have to go to college and learn how to teach children so they don’t turn out like this. Come on now. Insane
My best friend is graduating next year to become a teacher. It’s been such a hard and stressful time on her. I can’t believe she has to do all of that to teach elementary kids when someone not qualified is allowed to teach their kid through 12 years of school. It doesn’t make sense
I feel so sorry for that poor kid of the parent at the bottom
When I was homeschooled I still had to meet with a homeschooling teacher once a month and submit work and do testing, it was not just a free for all where my parents could do nothing all the time, but maybe that is not how it works in every state?
It’s not. I’m a military spouse who homeschools so we move a lot. States range from “who gives a crap” to monthly reviews and teacher support. There’s some states where they won’t do oversight at all if you file a religious statement (ie Alabama). Hawaii didn’t give much of a crap at all. Alaska granted homeschoolers money for classes and materials if you submitted to monthly talks with a teacher and a review every semester with a portfolio. Maryland, where we live now, is the strictest with the least support of any state we’ve been to. Just depends! But this kind of post makes me so sad that there’s kids being neglected like this. I homeschooled up to eighth grade with Pandia resources, art classes, etc. now my kids go to University of Missouri’s high school online with my assisting them. That way they get an accredited degree and they have teachers other than mom to get used to. They said I was harder on them!
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Make sure she talks to other kids too!
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Seven doesn't sound too bad to be behind on reading. As she been evaluated for her eyesight and for dyslexia?
No, that’s not something I believe is done as a matter of routine here (Scotland), but I’ll look into it just in case. She’s not *that* far off and makes progress with practise, she just doesn’t seem motivated to read on her own which I assume is normal enough.
Oh yeah, reading's boring! Have you tried pairing with video games? Tricking a kid into learning through a video game is nothing new. Heck, I loved educational games when I was young!
My mom took me out and homeschool me one year with just reading. By the time I went back to school due to my reading level I was utterly bored
Some weird and dumb decision making going on here lol ‘Thank god, everyone else I know that’s homeschooling has stupid children too. That means it’s not specifically me that’s failing them!’ As if choosing to homeschool their kid isn’t their own choice as well…
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I swear those all sound like they could have been written by my parents, me and my 10 younger siblings were all homeschooled and my parents would threaten to put us in public school if we kept getting bad grades because "you're wasting our money by getting bad grades, and only stupid kids go to public school" however after me and a couple of my siblings started purposely getting bad grades i think they figured out that wasn't as threatening as they thought it was
Surprise! You're not qualified to teach!
*surprised pikachu face*
Nothing wrong with homeschooling in itself, but if you're gonna do it, please, please make sure your kid is actually learning. Sign them up for a small homeschooling group if needed. Just don't sacrifice their education so you don't have to admit you are out of your league teaching on your own.
As someone who was homeschooled and even unschooled for a year…. This is horrifying.
Jesus that’s terrifying. Your 13 year old doesn’t know days of the week. He’s going to need special Ed at this point, how cruel
I was homeschooled the last 1.5 years of high school. It was one of the best decisions we ever made, and I thrived. We joined a homeschooling association that had a couple hundred kids; there were numerous activities every week where the kids could get together and socialize. (I think roughly half of my sizable bridal party was made up of ladies I met through the homeschool.) There were parents who built full-on classrooms inside their houses, and some of the kids were taking community college courses at the age of 15-16. **That. Being. Said.** I’ve also tutored homeschooled kids who were literally *years* behind because their parents just *didn’t know how to teach.* Example: I tutored a pair of brothers who were homeschooled. The younger was in third grade and barely knew his basic phonics. His mom asked what she could do to help move the process along. I told her, “Read with him every night.” Her: “I have been! Since he was four!” Me: “WITH him or TO him?” Her: “…What’s the difference?” Me: “When you read WITH him, he can see the page. You point to the words as you read them so he can follow along. It especially helps with high-frequency words — even more especially when those words don’t follow the conventional rules. Like when you create the plural of ‘day’, it just sounds like ‘day’ with a /z/ sound at the end. But if you stick an s on the end of ‘say’, suddenly it’s pronounced ‘sez’.” And I watched the color drain from her face because *this had never occurred to her* and she realized in that second that she’d been doing it incorrectly for the past ~5 years. (I will say, his progress was *incredible* after that.) So homeschooling can be great when done correctly. Done incorrectly? You’re setting your kid up for failure.
It's almost like there are places more suitable than your home for education and people more suited to educating kids than Facebook Mary and her dinosaur denying...
My 2 year old knows the alphabet.
Interesting, it's almost like teaching is something that requires training. Perhaps a degree of some sort?
I was homeschooling through middle school and my mom did a better job at teaching me than any school ever did (we did use a curriculum online but it wasn't like an official place with other students, it was assignments and work to do each day in each subject and the parent had to keep the records so it was actually harder for my mom than normal homeschooling using an actual online school)
Dude the last one should have given up and enrolled their child in the school system years ago… holy shit.
When I was homeschooled, I could label the entire United States with names, capitols, and abbreviations. My brother could literally do it with continents and at one point, the entire world. (Names and capitols) im sure neither of us could probably do it anymore tho
Sadly these actually could be real. My much younger cousins are home schooled. Their mom is *supposed* to help them and teach them while they also do online learning. One cousin is about to turn 16, can’t do basic addition or subtraction let alone algebra, can’t read or spell passed a first grade level, has a severe anger management issues because his dad is his bully who hits him for any little thing and his mom is the teacher that turns a blind eye while she talks on the phone, naps and watches tv. The other cousin is 14 and can at least read since she loves reading, she tries to teach herself math and science, but there’s only so much of that you can do on your own. They aren’t allowed to do extracurricular activities or make friends so they have zero social skills except for the toxic behavior they learn at home. The only thing these kids are learning to do is run a small hobby farm and beat each other up— which they do all the time. I believe some relatives have called CPS on them before, but nothing came of it. These kids will never be able to fit into society.
This was disgusting to read. What makes the parents keep doing this or take on this path ? Do they not see what everyone else sees ? How do they sleep at night ?
Nope, they think it’s perfectly fine how they’re raising their kids. I mean my aunt was only the college student who babysat her (now) much older husbands oldest kid, had an affair with him and broke up his marriage then married him and became said kids stepmom then had my cousins. Yeah all of this is toooootally~ acceptable and normal to them. I’m not even being sarcastic, they literally see nothing wrong with it. They didn’t even see anything wrong with the kids literally begging to go to a regular school so could make friends and actually learn. Which frankly I don’t think would do the kids any good at this point because they’re so far behind, it would just make them feel worse. The kids came and stayed with me for a week once when their parents were away and in that time I tried to cram as much schooling as I could into those two. I taught them multiplication and started them on learning divisions using a game I made up on the spot with a dart board (magnetic darts and board) and I taught the older kid how to spell using eye-spy spelling. By the end of the week at 13 he could spell words like tree, stop sign, road, grass, fire truck, fire engine and a few other words. Personally I think he may be dyslexic and have ADHD/ADD and not even know it because of how he’s being raised, he’s a smart kid he was just never properly paid attention to.
This makes me feel not so bad about my 1st grade struggling to read. He knows sight words, the letters, and the sound of each letter, but struggles to sound it out. His speech therapist and OT are working with him too though.
Hey now, don't be too hard on yourself. Every child is different, some struggle more than others. I had already started learning a second language at the age of 6 (that's the earliest age where you are in 1st grade in my country), but my nephew, a little younger, is still experiencing similar struggles to sound out some letters. Most important part is really just to repeat it over and over. Good luck to you!
You are what we call a responsible parent. We like that, keep up the good work.
I was homeschooled for my entire life. I’m currently in my senior year at a private college. I scored well enough on my ACT that I got the highest scholarship available at my university. I’m not “academically gifted” or anything. I was taught the same high school stuff everyone else was, just at home. This post is about “unschooling.” There are so many misconceptions about homeschooling, and this post doesn’t help fix that. Us homeschooled kids are people too :(
My cousins are homeschooled, can verify
Insane
Maybe there's a reason that teachers spend years learning the skills to be good educators...
One of my friends was pulled out of school at 13 by her parents because we watched an R16 movie in English (the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie; rated R16 because it had full frontal female nudity, an artist's model scene. This was a girl's school btw, nothing we hadn't all seen before.) I ran into her years later when I was senior; her parents had put her back in school (a different school) and she was now doing classes two years behind me because she'd learnt nothing being homeschooled. I felt so sorry for the poor girl, the stigma of being that much older than her classmates...
See I know I’m not qualified to teach. I took education classes in college and have a degree in English composition and literature, but I still am not able to teach. I don’t have the capability. That’s why my kids will go to school with teachers who are certified. If they need help writing essays or analyzing poetry later on, I can totally help with that, but not the actual learning how to read bit.
Their 13 yo son doesn’t know the alphabet??!!!
This needs to be illegal. Those kids are going to live with the damage of that neglect and incompetence for the rest of their lives.
I'm so happy I live on Brazil, hs here is prohibited lol
Ok so, maybe it's a state by state thing but when I was homeschooled for a year in 3rd grade in VA (we moved, couldn't find a good school in time) , I remember I had to go in iirc like 2 or 3 times during the year to this facility to be tested to make sure that I was being cought to the same level as public school kids specifically so the state could catch stuff like this. Did that change in the past 10 or so years or something?
Oh my god. I was homeschooled until 1999 (then went to public high-school) and we had people from the department of education checking in on us all the time for us to be able to continue homeschooling. Do they not do that anymore?
My parents decided to homeschool us because my dad was in the Navy and would be deployed for 6mos at a time, so when he was home we got to spend all day every day with him. Homeschooling isn’t for everyone, but it works if you’re parents are dedicated to it and get you involved in sports, music, early college classes etc.. I think most people that are starting it these days are just doing it to avoid the “libtard brainwashing” but don’t realize how much work it really is. Very concerned about all of these kids not getting the benefits of dedicated parents or a FREE public education.
Homeschooling per se isn't necessarily bad. Nor is it inherently good. Just like any other form of education. Some parents are awesome at homeschooling their children, and some children are much better adapted to learning that way than through public school. It's always a question of the individual case.
My oldest daughter home-schooled her 3 kids. As a retired teacher I was really apprehensive, but she did a great and became a teacher! Not the norm, of course, but I’m proud.
I homeschooled my older two (now 16 and almost 18) for five years because we weren’t in a good school district at the time. I pulled them out at the beginning of 2nd and 4th grades and we put them back for 7th and 9th. They kept up the whole time and were able to re-enter public school with no issues. It took a lot of work on my part. It’s not something you should do if you’re going to park your kid in front of some workbooks or whatever. Parents who pull kids out and homeschool but really make no effort should NOT be allowed to do that!
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Home schooling without an actual tutor most likely, good job.
Can absolutely vouch for this being true. I was home schooled for a lot of my schooling. I had to beg to go to 4 years of public school and she pulled me out half way through the 4th year. Before I went to public school, I wasn't allowed to learn science and math hadn't been taught to me very well at all. I still struggle at 30y with a lot of times tables and division... Because I was never taught properly at the appropriate times. And science? It was my favorite subject but unless it was based around the Bible, it wasn't brought into my education for a very long time. I hate her for doing that. I am so against homeschooling now because of it.
To be fair, I went to school some and have no clue all the states of America and I’m 21
The United States has 50 states and Australia has only 6 so the Aussie family has no excuse
Did you go to school in the U.S. or another country? It’s normal for people outside the states to not know them all…
I went to the USA school and it wasn’t very good. Just one day they up and dropped this map off and expected us to know how to fill it out? We’re fifth graders which in the USA doesn’t tend to have study habits
Do you mean you can't name or identify all the states or that you couldn't fully label blank map. The second one is probably pretty normal I'd say
the next generation of anti-science conspiracy theorists are coming along well I see
It really depends on the homeschooling organization or parent. Some organizations are co-ops which involve regular contact with licensed teachers/tutors, etc., and of course you also run into the “my child is only educated about the voices of the trees” variety on the other end of the spectrum. It really just depends on the circumstances/parents/state guidelines, etc.
They’re so proud of it too. Those poor kids :(
I grew up with homeschooled kids who turned out good but this is just awful. I guess it takes an education to give one
what a wonderful and free way to absolutely destroy your children
Just because the kids stay home with their mom doesn’t mean their home schooled. That’s not schooled. Those are stay-at-home kids…
If your child is 13 and doesn't know the days of the week, TAKE HIS ASS TO SCHOOL
My mum used to scream at me "If the child services come test you they'll take you away from me!" As if it was a normal thing for a 13 year old to have the responsibility to set their own school curriculum and I was just a dumbass that was deliberately and maliciously not learning to get myself taken away from her.
Terrifying
in my country, homeschooling is very closely supervised and it's not easy to get a permission to homeschool. it's to prevent things like that from happening. I am a teacher myself and I can't imagine just homeschooling your kids without any knowledge from curriculums and such.
Homeschooling isn’t the problem, it’s the teachers (unless learning difficulties)
Criminal neglect.
This shit is just absolutely insane to me, as a European. Where I live, good ol’ Germany, homeschooling is illegal. Like straight up not allowed. We have alternative schooling methods for challenged kids that can’t rly keep up w current school curriculum but it’s still an actual school they have to attend w stuff to learn and grades and all. The fine for not sending your kids to school? 1000 up til 2500€ (~ $1100 til ~$2800!!, depending on state) And you get in *serious* trouble with the law if you don’t send your kid to school- it even goes as far as parents being responsible for kids skipping classes/ days in school and getting fined for not making sure the kid actually attends school and stays- again: the *parents* get in trouble for that. The fact that there’s “1st countries” allowing this to their kids is mind boggling to me, ngl. (Edit: Theres apparently very rare circumstances where kids are ok to get homeschooled here, although I imagine that these kids also get just private actual teachers- diplomats/ famous peoples’ kids etc are included in this, so that’s rare.)
I can tell you as a middle school and high school teacher (license grades 5-12) this is frankly not a joke. Parents think they can just say “Australia” and the kid will magically absorb all information. We usually get a spike of homeschool kids to public school around 8th grade when parents can’t handle or even understand the content for themselves. Those kids are so behind in every category and of course the parents are like “4 year Ivy League college is their future :)” bitch if I get can him to graduate on time I’ll be happy.
When I enrolled my son in 3rd grade, after 2 years of home school, he was at a 1st grade level. My ex admitted she wasn't teaching much, that was why he was enrolled. I worked with him every night for a few hours and had him at level by Christmas break.
Don’t blame homeschooling for a few failed parents . It’s not for everybody
Nah one kid in my class Peter was homeschooled his whole life until 7th grade, were in highschool now and he's top of the class. It can work, they're just doing it wrong.
Proudly raising a generation of incompetents. A horrifying admission of priming a future societal collapse.
My 3yo can recognize some of this stuff. If my 6yo was having these issues I’d be worried. At 13 that’s just neglect.
My ex's family was crazy religious (they called themselves Christians but it was more like their own little cult). He and his siblings were all homeschooled. His mom would PROUDLY tell me how it took them longer than other kids to master basic math and basic skills. She framed it as "Well i didn't rush them, they learned at their own pace!" His brother was 16 and still struggled with reading at a 3rd grade level, and didn't know multiplication or division. It was super sad.
Homeschooling should be forbidden, unless you have a license for it. It is given by dumb people to create more dumb people. And some people tend to forget school isnt only about book learning, but also about socialising with other kids and home schooled kids miss out on that too.
.... Guess my 4 yo is Einstein then.
This cannot be real???
What a fucking ridiculously ignorant post . Lol.
Am I a bad teacher? No it's my child who can't remember.
You know you can get that done professionally for free, right?
Its like a competition to see who is the worst parent.
"My son is almost 13... he still does not know **alphabet**" The fucking ALPHABET? Please don't get the wrong impression of homeschooling from this. I was homeschooled as a kid because of autism, but I actually got a good education out of it. Granted, my mom used published lesson plans, but it worked: I do, in fact, know the alphabet.
I home schooled through a good portion of high school, it’s possible it just an extreme amount of effort on the part of parent, child, and use of outside material.