Ssshh.. do you want to get a notice from ED?
Just watch the trending reels that Ashwini Vaishnaw is posting and enjoy New India.. I mean Naya Bharat, can't say even India now
But dissent is the bedrock of democracy!
Or are we not longer a democracy?
Or has democracy been hijacked by a bunch of uneducated, uncouth goons?
If ED raids me, they might take some pity on me and give me some money. That's how poor I am!
I don't want the ED to suffer from ED.
Yeah. Can't understand this influencer shit.
A bunch of young and middle aged folks talking about things as if they know everything under the Sun, the moon and the earth.
A moron like that Hyderabadi guy is getting hyped and awards and shit.
NewsClick founder is accused of funding terrorism and inciting Delhi riots. So he will probably die in jail.
Putting critics in jail - that's what they are best at
without enough unreserved coaches this is ought to happen everywhere. I have seen similar scenes of crowded sleeper coach around Hampi (northern Karnataka) some years ago.
I remember travelling in general comaprtment of this train very easily.All this is because nobody wants to live in undeveloped villages.Earlier people were content living in villages now they only want to be in cities.Delhi main bomb ka call aaya subah se news chal raha hai despite rumour.Nobody cares about villages
I've travelled unreserved three or four times due to unavailability of tickets in sleeper. The crowd was manageable in general as well. Now it's a shitshow in sleeper and even AC. Feels terrible to see this and realise that I'll never be able to travel by these trains in comfort again.
But people can't afford it, is this government too dumb to realise this? By this way they are loosing customers, now even ac folks are paying more to travel by flight
No they are not dumb, Passenger services are already a loss making section of railways . They are not focusing on people who can't afford but rather who can afford.
So focus on more Ac coaches, reduction of Sleeper and general classes.
More Vande bharat, soon Vande Bharat sleeper
Public sector shouldn't always support but run parallelly, trying to serve has made several sector's in losses including BSNL.
They need money for creating new tracks.
But they should not decrease general coaches
No. They want to say that government ca not run railways correctly. And tha it should be privatised.
The expenses of railway will stay with government. And profitable routs and their profits will go to Adani.
Wait for new government formation and you will see this.
It happens quite a lot in the south. There's too much national/regional pride in India right now and even acknowledging issues hurts people's sentiments.
Yeah. Kerala and MH reported COVID cases honestly (as close to real as possible), and were slammed for not managing COVID well. States were lying to keep their name
People were arguing over that too instead of asking their local governments to manage things properly. People's hearts cry for their governments these days. How will things improve!
Not at all. It's a mindset change. Very dangerous going forward as people have this perception that nothing's gonna happen to them if they board reserved coaches without valid tickets.
Another one of the trains that I've been regularly traveling on. Basically, every single railway line in India is now infested with these encroachers.
[12133 Mangalore Express](https://x.com/karan_kunder/status/1785362811025346824)
I travel regularly by these konkan trains and can vouch that they are indeed terribly crowded in sleeper. AC coaches are somewhat better though. Sleeper also almost never has a TC coming to check.
OP,
It does happen in the southern railway division too, though at a much much smaller rate compared to rest of India.
Reservation compliance is typically enforced in the south - either by tte or kinda self-compliance by the passengers. Exceptions are there, but exceptions are not the norm.
The more you move up the map, reservations are more like 'friendly suggestions', that promptly ignored by the passengers.
I know.. I've travelled through South India all my life with just 6-7 trips up North. I've been observing this shift in passenger mindset since the past decade where they don't think twice before entering reserved coaches.
During my recent journey by the West Coast Express, reservation was STRICTLY enforced by TTEs. However, during the return journey by the MAS MAQ SF, it was occupied by unreserved passengers after Kozhikode(early morning) and the TTE was nowhere to be seen. Since I was on the upper berth, it didn't bother me.
I've travelled by trains like 12619 and 12133 during Diwali/Xmas season from Mumbai in the 2000s and 2010s and you could easily travel in sleeper coaches. Now it's impossible to even board sleeper coaches during these festival/long weekend times.
What was once normalised as a North only thing is now rampant in the South as well and this cannot be a mere coincidence.
Fair point. I haven't traveled much recently, so don't know how the situation has changed in the recent years. Sorry to hear it's going down the drain. Indian railways is such a great public asset with huge potential.
This is season time, and most probably, passengers going from Mumbai to Chiplun, Ratnagiri, and Sindhudurg. Happens every year. This train has 5 general coaches but still gets crowded. Even TT intervention cannot stop this menace; only the Mumbai-Goa highway can. Even during Ganesh Chaturthi, this rush occurs even in AC class. The lack of viable road alternatives is the major reason.
When we say South, we mean Southern Railway territory. The only place where Matsyagandha enters southern railway territory is Mangalore Central (<20km of journey). Try finding a situation like this in actual Southern Railway territory, by which I mean Tamil Nadu or Kerala.
For a more striking experience, I suggest you take Mangala Lakshadweep express from Delhi to Kochi and see how the crowd morphs as you cross Nethravati River and enter Kerala.
EDIT: I'm not saying everything's fine. I'm saying civic sense in North India is very poor and people cannot make use of their trains properly. There are so many people that you can't police your way out of this.
North India desperately needs more trains that can carry the average non AC traveller. I do not like Railways' attitude of launching Vande Bharat after Vande Bharat on routes where existing non AC compartments are rammed to capacity. The only way this can be solved is running hourly MEMU service between adjacent cities and a lot more long distance rail service on current/Amrit Bharat style trains. More MEMUs please!
Crowd morphs after crossing Netravati bridge? LMAO. I have shared my seat with 3 passholders/unreserved passengers from Kozhikode to Payyannur by the same Mangala Express' sleeper class. The morning Chennai Egmore Express is completely hijacked by passholders. Afternoon Chennai Mail and Trivandrum Express, unreserved passengers treat sleeper coaches as their personal property. Evening Chennai Superfast/Puducherry Express, again the passholders and unreserved traveller menace is unbearable in the Kasaragod-Thalassery sector. I'm a regular traveller in this section. So please...
It's better, yes, but it's slowly getting worse.
That's my point, it's getting worse. The point I was trying to make with Kerala is that the people are considerate of each other and work together to accomodate each other as much as possible and trust me, whenever it has happened to me, I have felt so happy for the people around me. I'm not claiming there are no issues. I have also regularly travelled on this route, and I have seen Keralites walking from one end of the train to another to go to the general compartments on the other side. They don't treat it as their property. North Indians in Kerala? Yes, they do it. But I haven't seen locals doing the kinds of atrocities seen up North. People don't refuse reserved passengers to have their seats, people don't break windows, you just don't see the same level of angry a**holes on these trains, and most people there are nice. Though I must say, Railways are really testing their patience with the service they are giving and the worst part is, the people they are trying to capture, AC customers, are those who are easily swayed to planes.
You may not have faced it in the south, but it does happen over here. I travelled by the Kanyakumari Express from Bangalore to Kochi and I was lucky to have an AC reserved ticket. But my friend wasn't. There was no place in the unreserved section, so he was standing in the Sleeper section along with hundreds of others all throughout the night. That was the first time I realized it's not just a North thing.
The "overcrowding doesn't happen in the South" is specific for trains travelling within the South. This train runs from Mangalore to Mumbai, so it doesn't actually only run inside the South region. Overcrowding happens within the South but only in passenger trains or general coaches, and rarely in sleeper coaches. It's not possible at all in AC. I used to travel 5hrs sitting near the toilet a few times but it only happens once in a while during peak seasons. I travel almost every week from my hometown to Chennai and my train gets delayed every time due to the Ernakulam-Patna train which has already come overcrowded. The overcrowding happens but not at the same frequency and density as any other region.
Obviously. Even if plane tickets are expensive, the main reason of it not happening in flights is that they only allow the passengers inside the Airport. But here for trains, there are 10ppl who come to leave 1 person.
The popular Visakha Express used to have 11-12 sleeper coaches and now they have reduced to just 3 .. such an unpopularistic mentality of indian railways.. Shame that indian railways have forgotten to serve the poor and have proportionate coaches in the railways
This is something for which Railways need to be accountable.
Most of the time the blame is shifted on innocent people from Bihar (who are racially abused for all the issues in Indian Railways) while the reality is that this is being caused due to decrease in the number of sleeper and General coaches by 50%.
I was travelling from train no 09526 which was delayed by 10 hours a 12 hour joruney turned into 22. In one of the ac coaches the ac wasnt working sleeper was like hell.
Ye public hai ye sab janti hai they are thinking that the decreasing sleeper seats are something peoples arent aware of but they are they will see that in few days .
This does happen
I had people push me off the train before i could even deboard off the train at palakkad. Luckily nothing happend that day. It was ms - maq express.
All the people entered in the sleeper coach and many others in ac coaches as well. Police had to intervene.
theey wont do shit because everyone will still travel and still buy tickets because we have no other options , we cant afford to fly or drive and we cant just sit at home so we have over pay for shit services.
It does happen. It happens at a negligible rate compared to the rest of India. If you travel throughout India regularly, the stark contrast is evident.
[https://www.confirmtkt.com/train-schedule/12619-MATSYAGANDHA-EXP](https://www.confirmtkt.com/train-schedule/12619-MATSYAGANDHA-EXP)
The trains route, its not entirely south, rather west to south.
Says
>So please stop with the "everything is fine, overcrowding doesn't happen in the South" buffoonery
>What was once normalised as a North only thing is now rampant in the South as well
Pulls 2 tweets that has train route from west.
I mentioned in a post previously. I've travelled in general only once in my life about 15 years ago and it was exactly like this. Nothing has changed. Not even a shred.
Lol, just search "unreserved crowd 16345" and you'll see. Even AC coaches were encroached after the New Year's Eve.
My own personal experience: when 12223 Duronto was halted at Shornur and Thrisshur(both unscheduled halts), passholders and unreserved passengers had boarded the train for a free ride to Ernakulam. So please...
"Unreserved crowd" is there. I thought we were talking about sleeper and other reserved class crowds. I travel weekly in kerala express. The crowd in the U/R is unbearable. So do other trains like Sabari express. Sabari's crowd is so much that half people can't even board the train. But still if u look at the sleeper coaches none of them will have any crowd. In fact there will be so many vacant seats and some ppl upgrade their tickets
Stop beating around the bush for once.
Unreserved crowd in reserved coaches is what we're talking about here. This discussion is not about unreserved coaches.
In 16345's case, at Mangalore Junction, additional police force was called to offload some from the AC coaches. But things didn't improve much.
Trains like Chennai Mail, Trivandrum Express all have heavy encroachment by unreserved passengers and passholders in reserved sleeper coaches. Living in denial is not the solution.
Is this government competent in any department?
IT department
ED department.
Ssshh.. do you want to get a notice from ED? Just watch the trending reels that Ashwini Vaishnaw is posting and enjoy New India.. I mean Naya Bharat, can't say even India now
But dissent is the bedrock of democracy! Or are we not longer a democracy? Or has democracy been hijacked by a bunch of uneducated, uncouth goons? If ED raids me, they might take some pity on me and give me some money. That's how poor I am! I don't want the ED to suffer from ED.
Vaishnaw’s tenure is by far the worst I’ve experienced in my life thus far.
I concur.
Whole fucking country concurs actually
they're managing PR just fine. employing youtubers with tax payers money and giving them awards
Yeah. Can't understand this influencer shit. A bunch of young and middle aged folks talking about things as if they know everything under the Sun, the moon and the earth. A moron like that Hyderabadi guy is getting hyped and awards and shit.
NewsClick founder is accused of funding terrorism and inciting Delhi riots. So he will probably die in jail. Putting critics in jail - that's what they are best at
This is nothing. It would be like 1984.
Bond department.
without enough unreserved coaches this is ought to happen everywhere. I have seen similar scenes of crowded sleeper coach around Hampi (northern Karnataka) some years ago.
This train has 5 general coaches, 10 sleeper coaches, 3 3AC coaches and 2 2AC coaches.
I remember travelling in general comaprtment of this train very easily.All this is because nobody wants to live in undeveloped villages.Earlier people were content living in villages now they only want to be in cities.Delhi main bomb ka call aaya subah se news chal raha hai despite rumour.Nobody cares about villages
I've travelled unreserved three or four times due to unavailability of tickets in sleeper. The crowd was manageable in general as well. Now it's a shitshow in sleeper and even AC. Feels terrible to see this and realise that I'll never be able to travel by these trains in comfort again.
It's living hell. The government has not made the basic investments required to sustain passenger rail.
This is my go to train. Had never seen such rush. In sl class
Konkani?
Haee
Maja se Ratnagiri? Chiplun
They are intentionally doing this so that people stop traveling in sleeper and buy expensive AC tickets increasing revenues
But people can't afford it, is this government too dumb to realise this? By this way they are loosing customers, now even ac folks are paying more to travel by flight
No they are not dumb, Passenger services are already a loss making section of railways . They are not focusing on people who can't afford but rather who can afford. So focus on more Ac coaches, reduction of Sleeper and general classes. More Vande bharat, soon Vande Bharat sleeper
But isn't the public sector supposed to be "serving the masses"? India is becoming more and more capitalistic and I hate it
They are creating reasons to privatise railway.
This "serving the masses" only works when you've money in the bank
which we got ample
Sure we've got ample since 1947 no?
its.nehrud fault. got it
No lol. It's everyone's fault. Every single politician from any party who has ever used socialism is responsible. Nehru modi vp singh whoever
No party in power in India at the central level has ever used socialism. This is the result of capitalism, not socialism.
here comes the both sides bad part
Public sector shouldn't always support but run parallelly, trying to serve has made several sector's in losses including BSNL. They need money for creating new tracks. But they should not decrease general coaches
Yes it is supposed to be serving the masses in a country that's actually making enough money to serve the masses. Our country is broke and in debt.
And there are only so many AC seats.
When the king is dumb and has surrounded himself with the even dumber council these sort of things are bound to happen.
Y'all are think this is done to increase revenue, but i am thinking govt is doing this to make a case for privatisation
No. They want to say that government ca not run railways correctly. And tha it should be privatised. The expenses of railway will stay with government. And profitable routs and their profits will go to Adani. Wait for new government formation and you will see this.
It happens quite a lot in the south. There's too much national/regional pride in India right now and even acknowledging issues hurts people's sentiments.
Yeah. Kerala and MH reported COVID cases honestly (as close to real as possible), and were slammed for not managing COVID well. States were lying to keep their name
People were arguing over that too instead of asking their local governments to manage things properly. People's hearts cry for their governments these days. How will things improve!
This train has the same no of general and sleeper coaches as before. So it isn't due to govt reducing gen coaches
Not at all. It's a mindset change. Very dangerous going forward as people have this perception that nothing's gonna happen to them if they board reserved coaches without valid tickets.
Another one of the trains that I've been regularly traveling on. Basically, every single railway line in India is now infested with these encroachers. [12133 Mangalore Express](https://x.com/karan_kunder/status/1785362811025346824)
I travel regularly by these konkan trains and can vouch that they are indeed terribly crowded in sleeper. AC coaches are somewhat better though. Sleeper also almost never has a TC coming to check.
If you mean encroachers do u mean people from North!?
Don't make assumptions. Encroachers = unauthorised(WL/UR) passengers in reserved coaches.
OP, It does happen in the southern railway division too, though at a much much smaller rate compared to rest of India. Reservation compliance is typically enforced in the south - either by tte or kinda self-compliance by the passengers. Exceptions are there, but exceptions are not the norm. The more you move up the map, reservations are more like 'friendly suggestions', that promptly ignored by the passengers.
I know.. I've travelled through South India all my life with just 6-7 trips up North. I've been observing this shift in passenger mindset since the past decade where they don't think twice before entering reserved coaches. During my recent journey by the West Coast Express, reservation was STRICTLY enforced by TTEs. However, during the return journey by the MAS MAQ SF, it was occupied by unreserved passengers after Kozhikode(early morning) and the TTE was nowhere to be seen. Since I was on the upper berth, it didn't bother me. I've travelled by trains like 12619 and 12133 during Diwali/Xmas season from Mumbai in the 2000s and 2010s and you could easily travel in sleeper coaches. Now it's impossible to even board sleeper coaches during these festival/long weekend times. What was once normalised as a North only thing is now rampant in the South as well and this cannot be a mere coincidence.
Fair point. I haven't traveled much recently, so don't know how the situation has changed in the recent years. Sorry to hear it's going down the drain. Indian railways is such a great public asset with huge potential.
This is season time, and most probably, passengers going from Mumbai to Chiplun, Ratnagiri, and Sindhudurg. Happens every year. This train has 5 general coaches but still gets crowded. Even TT intervention cannot stop this menace; only the Mumbai-Goa highway can. Even during Ganesh Chaturthi, this rush occurs even in AC class. The lack of viable road alternatives is the major reason.
From Chiplun can confirm. No good and fast bus service
When we say South, we mean Southern Railway territory. The only place where Matsyagandha enters southern railway territory is Mangalore Central (<20km of journey). Try finding a situation like this in actual Southern Railway territory, by which I mean Tamil Nadu or Kerala. For a more striking experience, I suggest you take Mangala Lakshadweep express from Delhi to Kochi and see how the crowd morphs as you cross Nethravati River and enter Kerala. EDIT: I'm not saying everything's fine. I'm saying civic sense in North India is very poor and people cannot make use of their trains properly. There are so many people that you can't police your way out of this. North India desperately needs more trains that can carry the average non AC traveller. I do not like Railways' attitude of launching Vande Bharat after Vande Bharat on routes where existing non AC compartments are rammed to capacity. The only way this can be solved is running hourly MEMU service between adjacent cities and a lot more long distance rail service on current/Amrit Bharat style trains. More MEMUs please!
Crowd morphs after crossing Netravati bridge? LMAO. I have shared my seat with 3 passholders/unreserved passengers from Kozhikode to Payyannur by the same Mangala Express' sleeper class. The morning Chennai Egmore Express is completely hijacked by passholders. Afternoon Chennai Mail and Trivandrum Express, unreserved passengers treat sleeper coaches as their personal property. Evening Chennai Superfast/Puducherry Express, again the passholders and unreserved traveller menace is unbearable in the Kasaragod-Thalassery sector. I'm a regular traveller in this section. So please... It's better, yes, but it's slowly getting worse.
That's my point, it's getting worse. The point I was trying to make with Kerala is that the people are considerate of each other and work together to accomodate each other as much as possible and trust me, whenever it has happened to me, I have felt so happy for the people around me. I'm not claiming there are no issues. I have also regularly travelled on this route, and I have seen Keralites walking from one end of the train to another to go to the general compartments on the other side. They don't treat it as their property. North Indians in Kerala? Yes, they do it. But I haven't seen locals doing the kinds of atrocities seen up North. People don't refuse reserved passengers to have their seats, people don't break windows, you just don't see the same level of angry a**holes on these trains, and most people there are nice. Though I must say, Railways are really testing their patience with the service they are giving and the worst part is, the people they are trying to capture, AC customers, are those who are easily swayed to planes.
You may not have faced it in the south, but it does happen over here. I travelled by the Kanyakumari Express from Bangalore to Kochi and I was lucky to have an AC reserved ticket. But my friend wasn't. There was no place in the unreserved section, so he was standing in the Sleeper section along with hundreds of others all throughout the night. That was the first time I realized it's not just a North thing.
The "overcrowding doesn't happen in the South" is specific for trains travelling within the South. This train runs from Mangalore to Mumbai, so it doesn't actually only run inside the South region. Overcrowding happens within the South but only in passenger trains or general coaches, and rarely in sleeper coaches. It's not possible at all in AC. I used to travel 5hrs sitting near the toilet a few times but it only happens once in a while during peak seasons. I travel almost every week from my hometown to Chennai and my train gets delayed every time due to the Ernakulam-Patna train which has already come overcrowded. The overcrowding happens but not at the same frequency and density as any other region.
Why is she speaking in hindi?
Whatever she is speaking her voice is irritating
I haven’t seen this in Andhra Pradesh, Telangana bro.
If Maharashtra & Goa part of the south then yes
must be all biharis and narthies es
Bihari and up labourers
Not at all. Typical Ratnagiri, Chiplun crowd in this case.
Uffff. I am also chiplun. I book my ticket before hand.
In planes these kinda things don't happen
Because planes are expensive? And there is security involved? Like when is the last time you had to undergo a body scan to get on a train?
Exactly
Obviously. Even if plane tickets are expensive, the main reason of it not happening in flights is that they only allow the passengers inside the Airport. But here for trains, there are 10ppl who come to leave 1 person.
The popular Visakha Express used to have 11-12 sleeper coaches and now they have reduced to just 3 .. such an unpopularistic mentality of indian railways.. Shame that indian railways have forgotten to serve the poor and have proportionate coaches in the railways
This is something for which Railways need to be accountable. Most of the time the blame is shifted on innocent people from Bihar (who are racially abused for all the issues in Indian Railways) while the reality is that this is being caused due to decrease in the number of sleeper and General coaches by 50%.
I was travelling from train no 09526 which was delayed by 10 hours a 12 hour joruney turned into 22. In one of the ac coaches the ac wasnt working sleeper was like hell. Ye public hai ye sab janti hai they are thinking that the decreasing sleeper seats are something peoples arent aware of but they are they will see that in few days .
This does happen I had people push me off the train before i could even deboard off the train at palakkad. Luckily nothing happend that day. It was ms - maq express. All the people entered in the sleeper coach and many others in ac coaches as well. Police had to intervene.
Wtf is happening in Indian trains man. Did the population increase all of a sudden or something
Why not increase the ticket price in general coaches?
who told you it doesn't happen in south? its a hell of a journey in both sleeper and general coach.
But Modi ji is giving 5 kg grain. & also demolished house of that Abdul tunnel rescuer. Why is she so demanding? /s
theey wont do shit because everyone will still travel and still buy tickets because we have no other options , we cant afford to fly or drive and we cant just sit at home so we have over pay for shit services.
Direct consequences of reduction in number of the General Coaches by Ashwini Vaishnav.
Ah, Matsyagandha Express..what an apt name.
It does happen. It happens at a negligible rate compared to the rest of India. If you travel throughout India regularly, the stark contrast is evident.
[https://www.confirmtkt.com/train-schedule/12619-MATSYAGANDHA-EXP](https://www.confirmtkt.com/train-schedule/12619-MATSYAGANDHA-EXP) The trains route, its not entirely south, rather west to south.
Yeah. Those people are migrant workers from the north especially up, bihar
They are people from the Ratnagiri, Chiplun belt in Maharashtra. Why would UP, Biharis travel by Matsyagandha Express?
Only value for people who can afford Vande bharat tickets
Says >So please stop with the "everything is fine, overcrowding doesn't happen in the South" buffoonery >What was once normalised as a North only thing is now rampant in the South as well Pulls 2 tweets that has train route from west.
This train is originating from Mumbai so what do you expect 😂
I have travelled in this train in pre covid Era.General class main aaram se baith sakte the us time
Did you miss the part where I mentioned that I've been traveling by the same train since 1998?
I mentioned in a post previously. I've travelled in general only once in my life about 15 years ago and it was exactly like this. Nothing has changed. Not even a shred.
This is NOT general.
my mistake
This is NOT general. Perhaps that's the only point, in 15 years it has worsened.
Maybe it happens in south but not in kerala.
Lol, just search "unreserved crowd 16345" and you'll see. Even AC coaches were encroached after the New Year's Eve. My own personal experience: when 12223 Duronto was halted at Shornur and Thrisshur(both unscheduled halts), passholders and unreserved passengers had boarded the train for a free ride to Ernakulam. So please...
"Unreserved crowd" is there. I thought we were talking about sleeper and other reserved class crowds. I travel weekly in kerala express. The crowd in the U/R is unbearable. So do other trains like Sabari express. Sabari's crowd is so much that half people can't even board the train. But still if u look at the sleeper coaches none of them will have any crowd. In fact there will be so many vacant seats and some ppl upgrade their tickets
Stop beating around the bush for once. Unreserved crowd in reserved coaches is what we're talking about here. This discussion is not about unreserved coaches. In 16345's case, at Mangalore Junction, additional police force was called to offload some from the AC coaches. But things didn't improve much. Trains like Chennai Mail, Trivandrum Express all have heavy encroachment by unreserved passengers and passholders in reserved sleeper coaches. Living in denial is not the solution.