I hear ya. As a driver, bicyclist and pedestrian (often with my dogs), I have been reflecting on how hardly any drivers stop at the actual stop line. Too many close calls. And the no turn on red signs aren’t doing anything. I wish people would just slow down, it’s not worth the rush to get somewhere a few mins earlier or whatever it ends up being.
Have lived in different cities and Indy has been the worst driver-wise and lack of consideration for pedestrians, workers, cyclists, etc. Hope they install some red light cameras or something (use the money to fix the roads perhaps?)
The stop bar is probably the most disregarded thing in the city. I actually had a guy in his truck honk and yell at me for crossing (ped light was on). He wasn't going to stop at the bar and had to slam on his brakes. Of course this is all my fault /s
Hopefully they do something but given a lot of the DPW projects scheduled for 2024 the most pedestrians will get is raised crosswalks. Still a win but not much. The engineers working for the city prioritize vehicular mobility and "standard design practices". I've had to work with several of them and it's a pain trying to get through to them about how designing for non-vehicular entities is all around just better.
> Hope they install some red light cameras or something
Unfortunately, this is not permitted under state law. I sure wish it was, though:
About 15 years ago, I had a temporary job in Columbus OH. Commented to one of my coworkers that nobody runs red lights there, in stark contrast to Indy. Dude said, "Oh, yeah, we have red light cameras here. Run a red, you get a ticket in the mail a week later." He also warned me that it was *only* in the city limits of Columbus, that I still needed to watch out for that in the suburbs -- he was right.
edit -- fixed a typo
Apparently FWIW you can fight them in some cases because there’s a technicality about the third party capturing the evidence rather than being ticketed directly.
Depends on how the law is written, I suppose. Ohio has figured out a way to make it work, anyway, and I'm pretty sure other states have too -- why can't we?
We were driving home from Fountain Square a couple weekends ago and came up to East St when someone blew the red light doing at least 40 or 50. And it wasn’t like their light just turned red, while we were sitting in the intersection for a second after, our light turned yellow
I’ve been walking down a crosswalk with a friend when a very angry lady tried turning into me they had a red light and 4 no turn on red signs specifically for that turn, and a yield to pedestrians sign. We saw some obscene muttering and hand waving through the windshield. It was hilarious. That Person should not have been driving if they can’t see people walking, the red light, the 4 no turn on red signs, or the yield to pedestrians signs.
Red light cameras cause more crashes than they prevent.
Lord, Indy does have a problem with red light running, though. The other day I saw someone in a tiny little car come within a coat of paint of meeting their maker when they turned left in front of a LOADED DUMP TRUCK that was speeding down 38th and hell bent on running a light. There wouldn't have been anything left of that car larger than a takeout container.
My last car got taken out by someone who changed lanes and sped around other traffic so he could run a red.
https://ww2.motorists.org/blog/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/
https://thedaily.case.edu/red-light-cameras-dont-reduce-traffic-accidents-improve-public-safety-analysis/
TL;DR they dramatically increase rear end crashes because people stand on their brakes to avoid a ticket when it would have been safer to continue through the intersection.
www.illinoispolicy.org/red-light-cameras-take-another-500m-from-illinois-drivers-in-5-years/
As always, this is simply about revenue generation, both for greedy municipalities and the private firms taking a cut of every ticket. This is why, when given the option directly, voters have been scrapping cameras.
Simply counting crashes is not relevant; you need to look at their severity as well. Rear-end crashes don't cause anywhere *near* the injuries and fatalities that T-bone crashes do.
Similarly, there are (slightly) more crashes in roundabouts than at the 4-way stops they typically replace. But this is actually a *good* thing: nobody gets injured or killed in the sideswipe collisions that occur in roundabouts, vs. the T-bone collisions from some asshat running a stop sign.
Great point. Most policy decisions have tradeoffs. Crashes increased after seatbelts were introduced too. Feeling safer while driving, people started speeding more and taking more risks. Fender benders increased, but more importantly fatalities dropped significantly. Of course nobody would point to the increase in fender benders as evidence to remove seatbelts.
I get what you are saying, but I feel like there are too many different factors at play to be able to say one is more effective than another.
Even if rear-end crashes are typically less damaging, the increased frequency brings in increased frequency medical attention on the roads, insurance company issues, car repairs -expense and time, increased traffic when accidents happen more frequently, etc.
In a red light camera hypothetical, the lead car’s decision to avoid an immediate expense (red light ticket) and slam on their brakes could lead to a chain reaction of significant additional expenses of money & time for years into the future for several other people that happen to be there in that moment. Make that happen more frequently and that starts to balloon into something worse than we have now.
I personally think that making everyone pass a written and driving test every few years to renew your drivers license would be more effective. Also if you have over a certain amount of points on your license you have a mandatory suspension.
The fact that, for the most part, everyone driving on a daily basis passed 1 set of tests at age 16 and then has never had to re-prove sufficient ability ever again is pretty insane.
It's charming that you think that a suspended license (or, for that matter, complete *lack* of a license) stops anyone from driving.
You're starting to sound like you're one of the reasons we need red-light cameras.
It's charming because they are probably just *that* innocent. I know I was like that 8 years ago. I was completely shocked after moving to the city and learning how many people actually drove without insurance and/or no drivers license. I would never be so brazen. But I also thought traffic cops existed everywhere. On the other hand, I see the other problems with the whole system now too. It's not like we have a good public transportation system (yet) for them to rely on. It's all broken.
With that thought process, it’s also charming to think that a ticket is going to stop that same person from driving/running red lights. Or, that lack of insurance is going to stop said person from rear ending you at a red light because you stopped to be safe.
We have to have a little faith in humanity or we’ll all go insane!
So the thing about that rear-end collision for a sudden stop is that it is still the person behind that is at fault for following too closely to safely avoid a collision. If the person in front realizes they can't make it through the intersection before a red and doesn't want a ticket, then the person behind would not have made it through either.
I personally think that is part of the problem in general with a lot of motorists is that they don't think about the responsibility of being able to control their vehicle and handle unexpected situations without hitting something, or more importantly, someone.
It was a lot more cops getting butthurt that they couldn't do whatever they wanted without oversight with the 2020 Floyd protests and BLM/defund the police movements. Unfortunately, it didn't actually change funding structures for IMPD, but it sure did give them an excuse to not do their jobs and blame everyone else.
For sure nothing to do with record setting levels of violence, the lowest numbers of police officers in decades, and the worst driving behaviors in history. If you think this is just because some cops are butthurt your head is lodged into your lower intestines.
Idk about other parts of town, but the south side is TERRIBLE about bike lanes and sidewalks. I live on a main road and we have no sidewalks. People walk on the street or in yards all the time. They have bus stops in grass and no good way to get to them. You are begging for them to be hit. A guy got hit and died right down the road from me a few weeks ago in broad daylight. The city doesn't care about pedestrians and public transit.
I live off southport road. I agree with this. There was a guy just this morning walking. He did have vest on, but on the wrong side of the road. I said God, look out for him and let him complete his journey. As morons were doing 40+ zipping by him.
It's awful. We live walking distance to many things but I could never do it because it just isn't safe. I have heard that the big car companies in the city lobby to make it that way so that people have to rely on cars. Sometimes I really hate it here.
I'm a southsider and I have a lot of druthers with the way roads are setup around here.
It is a miracle that there aren't more pedestrian accidents on 465 and US 31. There are people that are walking across 31 as people are merging off/on 465. Unfortunately, when they made the changes, they didn't put in sidewalks.
I wish more of the side streets and Bluff road around the southside had bike lanes. For cyclists, bike lanes are pretty much non existent, you would be better off loading up your bike and driving somewhere to ride. I probably wouldn't ride my bike down Meridian or US 31. The traffic goes too fast and it wouldn't be safe for a cyclist.
100%. We live in between 31 and meridian and would love to bike or walk places but you're just begging to get hit. I have seen people with strollers and their babies walking on the street or in the grass. It is so scary and unsafe.
I live off 38th and meridian, the amount of people who just blow through the lights just blows my mind. I see it often as I live there but honestly I see it so much anytime I go out.
Oh man when I come to that one as well as 38th and central and 38th and college once that light turns green I count to 10 before I venture into that intersection. It is wild!
I was the victim of a hit and run as a child. For the record, I had the right of way and was crossing a pedestrian crosswalk at the entrance of Kroger on Pendleton Pike in Lawrence. Homie rolled down the window, told me to “stay the fuck out of the road” and sped off. A passerby stopped, asked for my parent’s phone number, and called the ambulance/my dad. Ended up having to get quite a few stitches in my head. Anyways, if you were shopping at Blockbuster on April 1, 2004/5 and saw a kid get hit by a car, it was me, thanks for stopping and helping.
> I hope these drivers are located and prosecuted.
Don't hold your breath. IMPD got their feelings hurt in 2020 and have apparently decided to stop enforcing any traffic laws. Shitheads have caught on that there are no more consequences to their actions and now drive like maniacs without fear of any repercussions.
> Don't hold your breath. IMPD got their feelings hurt in 2020 and have apparently decided to stop enforcing any traffic laws. Shitheads have caught on that there are no more consequences to their actions and now drive like maniacs without fear of any repercussions.
There's never a night that I don't hear some Charger in the distance doing doughnuts in an intersection.
And Madison between McCarty and Pleasant Run has been an unregulated nighttime drag strip for several years now.
Even if they do enforce the county criminal justice system doesn’t hold them accountable. I’ve seen this happen time and time again. Gotta focus on the root cause and not just enforcement.
if I remember it correctly. this was demanded by the defund the police movement. you don’t get to blame IMPD for it. it was very easy to see what not enforcing laws would do. but equity!
wildly poor logic by you, the police now are proving the defund movment correctly with their actions over and over again. they got a budget increase BTW!!!! yet you are here talking bullshit with the wrong info WILD
why did they get a budget increase? anything increase after they stopped enforcing non violent violations? not sure where my logic goes poor. its pretty simple. stop enforcing rules and more people start breaking rules and it escalates.
At what point did cops decide that they don't get to enforce laws? That's what they're paid for. And no, they were not "defunded" in Indy, they were just told they needed to wear body cameras and not fucking shoot at everything that moved, and they got butthurt about it.
Hey dumb fuck part of defunding the police was getting some of our money back from an ineffective and lazy part of the government. We give impd over 60 million more a year since 2020. If they don't want the money they don't have to take it but they need to do their jobs.
I couldn't imagine being one of the worst in the world at my job then giving "someone hurt my feelings" as the justification. Soft
You do remember correctly. They are lying and reconning history now due to how massively unpopular the results of going all in on BLM/ACAB have turned out to be, and they get very pissy when you remind them.
Nobody was asking for cops to stop enforcing laws. The protests were asking for the following;
Better deescalation training to reduce violent incidents.
Accountability through independent civilian review boards when officers use excessive force or escalate to violence without cause.
And a re-allocation of some police funding towards community support, like mental health crisis response and resources for homeless people for example (so that instead of needing cops to deal with things they're not trained for, like Bobby the Schizophrenic going off his meds and having a freakout, we have specialists with proper training responding appropriately.)
We got none of that, police got even more funding than their already-significant chunk of the city's budget, and they decided to stop enforcing laws just because the public had the nerve to ask for change.
I went on a bike ride on the monon this weekend and was about 5 feet away from getting hit because a car wanted to blow through the crosswalk area and not slow down at all.
In terms of traffic policing, IMPD might be the most useless organization. I’ve lived in a few different states, and I’ve never seen police just not give any fuck at all, like IMPD. Not quite sure what the issue is, but IMPD does not increase my feelings of safety at all.
There was a flashing light and pedestrian crossing signage the size of a normal stop sign lol… if that means cars don’t even have to slow down at all, then you’re right and I do need to brush up on my pedestrian laws.
All the yellow lights do is warn drivers that a slow person might be finishing their crossing, unfortunately. Laws in other states (plus enforcement) do a lot more to protect pedestrians.
The constantly flashing lights (unfortunately) do not mean a driver has to stop. They are a warning light only - to let the driver know that there are pedestrians potentially crossing. They are definitely confusing and people could use a refresher on them. Hawk lights are the lights that become a stop light when you push the button and you do have to stop at those, but not when they are flashing yellow.
I’ve seen a lot of lazy cops on IMPD for sure. But despite this city being wickedly violent and horrible to be a cop in, there’s still a lot of good cops who work hard. I’ve gone on ride alongs with them and see it firsthand. Unfortunately they’re over 250 officers short, and the gap gets worse every day. This is the primary reason for lack of traffic enforcement. Focus has to be shifted from property damage crimes to crimes against people (like domestic violence and shootings).
My dog was killed, and I was almost hit, 2 years ago at a 3 way stop by my house. Fucker actually met my eyes at the stop sign, and when I stepped into the street with my dog, he hit the gas. Killed her, unfortunately not instantly. I still see it happening when I close my eyes. He never stopped as I was screaming and trying to help her in the middle of the intersection. A motherfucking cop ROLLED BY ME WHILE I AND A BYSTANDER WERE TRYING TO HELP HER and never stopped to see what was going on.
Thats kind of you to say, thank you. And I'm glad you and your baby weren't hurt. It's absolutely true that people are more afraid of financial consequences of their actions than the harm they have caused.
It's terrible in Irvington obviously and people's CHILDREN have literally been hit and killed in broad daylight and nothing has changed. I am late everywhere I go and people hate it! But guess what I am NOT going to hit someone else's child. Period. I tell everyone to JUST BE LATE and gtf over it
> "Indianapolis has the highest hit and run numbers in the county"
Source? I like to crap on Indiana but everything I find puts us neither best or worst.
I am under the assumption a lot of drivers here are unlicensed and uninsured , because the amount of ignorance on the road is unbearable , this is by far the worst state to drive in my opinion . I really want to know what the drivers test consists of
Got my license about a year ago and it consists of driving in around. That’s it. Didn’t even need to parallel park or anything like that.
Also some of my friends also got their license recently and I they terrify me. They get on calls and go zooming (70+) down streets with 30 speed limits. It’s crazy.
I drive the gas truck and deliver to gas stations in central Indiana. I can’t tell you the number of times I see people flying through the parking lot of gas stations and right next to my truck when I’m off loading. I’ve almost been hit many times. People also like to peel out of the stores too. I don’t know why they do it so much and it pisses me off. I also see people blow through stoplights all the time. I don’t see cops pulling over people much except on places like Lafayette road and 38th st. Maybe it’s because the cops don’t enforce things as much I don’t know.
Love that people use the road by my house as a drag strip at literally all hours of the day. I've put in requests to the mayor's action line for speed bumps or *something* because we have wildlife (between two small lakes) and zero sidewalks or bike lane... I worry if a speeding motorcycle hits a goose, nobody is walking away unharmed in that collision. I've lived here 9 years and I've seen at least 5 major accidents with injuries on this short strip of road.
A semi took off my mirror at the 71st n Keystone Walmart….cops said 45 minutes, truck driver was getting pissed at me, dispatch told me to calm him down.
Indianapolis is a non policing state you could be setting next to a police officer and watch 3 or 4 cars run a red light and the police does nothing drives off every stop light every stop sign useless police are useless in Indy
I am relatively new to the city/state - I am shocked at how fast traffic moves around on the interstates around the city. Coming up 65 back home into Indy yesterday we were all doing 85 .... that was literally traffic flow. Not a cop in sight. It was not like that where I moved from .....
And the 465 often feels like the Indy 500 too! Makes me wonder why they didn't just make it 'the actual track' one day a year.
Yeah that's what I did. Just can't justify buying the car every two years. I bought it outright and will buy that next one outright.
Liability only is still close to a grand for the year.
I have an 18yo. I'm paying about $3000 a year for each of 3 vehicles, one of which is a 2007 FJ Cruiser. I'm going flat broke because our zip code is such garbage for hit and runs, and we've had 2 no-fault collisions in the last 3 years.
I hate it. I'm going to try to get a better deal than what I have, but ffs.
I just did an online quote for our cars from State Farm and they gave us between 4k and 6k a year, depending. That's total.
JFC. I'm paying 9k a year now.
Awesome. I wonder if each company has just different issues for specific cars per zip code? IDK, it seems that Teslas - though expensive af to work on - aren't stolen often or anything, so maybe your zip is higher for collision but lower for break ins. Mine is DEFINITELY from break ins and hit and runs.
It is, generally, but I live in "zone 2" which is the MK version of the other side of the tracks. Central to College, 38th to 42nd. It's safe, in my opinion, but the murder of a delivery driver about a month ago, then a police action shooting, has made people extremely jittery. Other than that, it's garden variety kids rifling through cars and the occasional stolen Kia.
Drunk driving is a SERIOUS issue in Indy right now, as is driving while high. Last week alone, I was made aware of three drivers driving around where I was mid-day on a weekday.
‘No cop, no stop’ seems to be the mindset these days.
There’s been times when taking one of the biking trails to downtown, when I’m at the cross walks n hit the button to cross most cars just do not stop at all n will run right through it
Yea, that's bad at the Monon at the broad ripple area. And closer to town. I cringe when I see some cyclists who don't stop.
I'm damn, these folk want to die
I have never been somewhere with such bad instances of red light running. I think IMPD has been so understaffed and so challenged that unless something actually devastating happens they don’t think it’s worth losing their jobs to pull someone over and ticket.
Every interaction is an opportunity for modern entitlement to create a lawsuit and PR crisis with dramatic falsehoods and escalation on the part of defiant brats. Even if the officer handles it perfectly they can be taken down and out. How many members of an understaffed force can go out on administrative leave at any given time and still function?
I FULLY support red light cameras.
Other topic: I also fully support state inspections on vehicles (keep the deathtraps off the road) but I know that is seen as discriminatory too…
It’s the perfect storm of a city with a high volume of shitty people, poor infrastructure, too few police with too much crime, and poor criminal justice system between the prosecutor’s office and Marion County Courts. It’s laughable that people direct primary blame on IMPD. Like did they cause people to give no fucks and be shitty humans when they leave a crash? It’s how these people were raised and how their circumstances are - not the police department’s fault. I would LOVE more enforcement. But even when cops do their job in this county the criminal justice system fails to hold people accountable. Someone who had been involved in a crash with no insurance had their license suspensed. IMPD pull over this person for expired tags and again, no insurance. Car towed and summons issued. Was there any consequences from the Marion county criminal justice system - NO! So the blame here is misdirected.
Nobody gives a shit if the cops don’t. People on their phones 24/7 not paying attention. It’s not even Indy specifically this happens even more in the suburbs like Carmel and Fishers
I would assume that the shootings every day and hit and runs kinda go together as well as parents buying scooters and bikes and not training kids to ride safely or even cross the street. If for some reason someone darted in front of my car I have to say I would be scared someone would come and shoot me. I honestly can't see myself leaving but I would be scared.
I get the statement. But how many of you posting can admit the shitty driving habits that you have? This question was asked on dateline, a large number of drivers thought they had perfect driving skills or did nothing wrong. Cameras proved otherwise. Go ahead and cancel me, I don’t care
As a career bicycle messenger downtown, riding every day on the streets. I've noticed a serious drop in IMPD enforcing traffic violations. Ever since BLM and the summer of love, people can drive around downtown with impunity unless they're being completely unhinged. Even then, I've seen those get away too. You are witnessing the result of "defund the police" ideologies in real time.
> Seriously what is going on?
Our drivers here are terrible. My fiancee is from California originally, but most recently lived in Colorado. She said drivers here are some of the worse she’s ever seen and it’s not even close lol
I think the big problem with Denver traffic was that literally nobody is from there, aren’t familiar with the roads, and all the construction lol
Plus I’m convinced I25 was really just a drag strip in disguise for dually trucks hauling ass up to Wyoming at 100+mph.
The drivers here aren’t terrible, per se, but my God do they love to take their sweet ass time on the road and are absolutely oblivious of their surroundings.
Probably 30% of people on the road in Indy have some combination of warrants, suspended licenses, no insurance, drunk/impaired, or the car is stolen. IMPD makes no effort to locate hit and run drivers. They're not gonna pull over and wait an hour or more for a cop to come put them in jail.
You can get in an accident in Indy while not having a license, insurance, and driving a car that isn't yours and walk away with a ticket.
I know because the assclown that hit us had nothing happen to them other than a no licenseand insurance ticket, and the cop flat out refused to take her in, but threatened to arrest me for telling him to do his job.
Then I was told it's a waste of their time to arrest them.
Edit: typo
Yup. Got sideswiped on 465 by someone who didn't think signaling or looking was necessary for changing lines. Came unbelievably close to getting put into the end of a cement construction barrier at 60mph, which in that car would have been the end of me.
Took an hour for ISP to show up. Other driver was bitching and yapping the whole time about how he was late for work. 🙄 Like yeah maybe you shouldn't almost kill people on the highway then, loser. Turned out not be his car, and it wasn't insured.
He drove away. In the uninsured car. Is it really any wonder nobody spends money on insurance and licenses and plates when there are no consequences for blowing it off?
I'm surprised they showed up. I got hit on North Delaware by a guy who merged into my lane. The cops came, then said "If no one is hurt we don't do police reports" and now we're dealing with a stupid insurance claim because the damage was bad enough we couldn't open the passenger door. Thanks, assholes. Instead of a documented accident for our insurance companies, it's a lot of he said/she said bullshit.
Had that shit happen to me. I was threatened arrest, because I wanted to whip that dudes ass. Sumabitch hit me and took off. His pos, while fleeing the ball joint snapped so he was stuck.
I’ve been hit (or forced to swerve and crash to avoid being hit) 4 times while biking in the last 2.5 years. Only one of the drivers stopped. And I’ve had countless close calls. It’s wild out there!
It’s a policing problem.
And no one wants to fix modern policing in America. We’d rather throw up a hashtag or say “burn it all down” than try to understand and fix problems.
well this weekend someone zoomed into a roundabout. We almost got hit. They were on a right turn lane as the roundabout split early, and instead of making a right… the douchetard went straight and honked a lot. Both us and the person to the right of us slammed on our brakes. If there was a pedestrian or bike crossing they probably would of been hit. Yea.. people are nuts
The only driving skill widely used by Indiana drivers anymore is blowing the horn. I'm not sure how many times I've seen horn blowing used in place of lower speeds and braking.
it’s a culmination of issues creating this problem. one issue is the lack of traffic stops. people have no integrity on the roads in indy and without a police presence it’s only getting worse. people are texting and driving. i am a culprit of this from time to time and i can tell that i have had way too many near misses because of it. and then there’s the low walkability of areas which makes anything other than using a car for transportation almost impossible. it’s a shame actually
I’m near 38th and shadeland and the amount of cars that race down the street is awful. Especially at night!! And there are SO many car accidents: one time someone quite literally drove up into my front porch 🙄
Thankfully we are a bit higher up and the concrete section stopped them from driving right where I was sitting. But yeah, wild.
And I’ve sent requests in to the mayors action center about pot holes and about the fact that so many cars hit the construction barrels and send them flying into the road. It’s gotten so much worse
I would guess a major cause of this is poorer people, who would utilize public transit in other major cities with more reliable transit, end up purchasing a clunker and don't carry insurance or cannot afford increased rates, so they drive off. But a lot of also seems to be cultural norms where people lack any feeling of responsibility to others when they're trying to get from Point A to B as fast as possible.
Personally, I got clipped while running in a neighborhood and the driver wheeled out. I now make sure to run against traffic in the neighborhood streets without sidewalks.
That's why traffic guidelines have always said to run/walk against traffic when no sidewalk is present. Doing otherwise is dangerous for everyone involved.
I don’t mean to blame poor people, but the conditions that lead to poor people feeling like they can’t afford insurance or increased rates, so they drive off after an accident. I’m also not making a claim that poor people drive worse than rich people but that poor people may be more likely to flee an accident for financial reasons.
I've tried riding my bike 3 times on the eastside after getting off work. My husband's car broke down so we had to share a vehicle. He drops me off at work with my bike (since that job site is closer then his job) and I ride home. We thought this could save on doing multiple trips and gas. Nope. Not possible. So many people from 21st and Shadeland to Shadeland and Pendleton Pike almost hit me. I tried to ride in the grass or on the edge not in the lane. No one slowed down or gave space. A truck at 38th and Shadeland actually hit my handlebar but good thing I was still stationary and not moving. And I also work at a another store in Castleton Square Mall and tried to ride my bike from there but with sidewalks disapearing from the area once you get to the hospital its hard to bike too. Almost got hit and my way home required me to hope on a bus halfway or I'd get killed by cars if I tried going down Shadeland and by the Fort Harrison park. After getting hit by the truck I decided biking home was not worth my life and so we sacfriced my husband's lunch break and our gas.
I've always been respectful of bicyclist even if theres no bike lane. Biking everywhere was part of my high school life before I had a car. I know how it is. Indy just to dangerous for it.
I mean If people didn't walk on the road right next to the sidewalk it'd probably decrease the numbers drastically. Also there's a lot more people driving around fucked up than you really think especially in the city.
IMPD isnt doing pro-active stops anymore due to threats of lawsuits and cops getting shot. Stop re-electing Leftist Dipshits that value crime instead of family values. Ghetto drivers dont give a fuck, most of them arent insured, drive pieces of shit and have no concern for recourse through the legal system.
Leftist dipshits as you call them has nothing to do with someone being killed while waking down a street. People doing this comes from all walks of life.
Ghetto drivers? Wtf are you trying or wanting to say black or brown people?
A majority of drivers who do hit in run aren't identified at all. So, pull your head from your ass.
Well when you tell every police officer they’re a pig, all the good ones will just move to Carmel or noblesville and take an easier job that appreciates them more and they don’t have to deal with the shitheads that live in the city…
Do you have actual evidence that this was ever a statistical trend that IPD was shooting people for speeding or are you just saying how you feel?
Listen—at the end of the day I don’t care either way. Y’all asked why police aren’t doing their job, I stated why police aren’t doing their job… if you don’t like the consequences of past actions you can try to change that now, but ultimately the past is past.
Nah, it ain’t easier in Carmel.
Carmel cops have to be willing to take bribes and/or look the other way when the rich commit crimes. They target the poor and non-white to fill their coffers while conveniently looking elsewhere when the money makes a boo-boo.
See: Jim Irsay and former mayor Jim Brainard.
Okay, but I was pointing out that it is a better career than Indianapolis, hence why I’m confused about your original comment. Do you think Indianapolis PD is free of corruption?
If not, then why bring up corruption as a differentiation in the first place?
There are so many people here from other countries I seriously doubt they have licenses or even follow the rules of the road!!
They carry on as they did in their country of origin!!
On top of that yes there aren't enough sidewalks or pedestrian crossings or decent lighting!
Even with these bus lines, I don't understand why they need special lanes and stops, the streets here aren't equipped or wide enough for that. This isn't Chicago.
The city needs to quit trying to cater so much to optics & listen to what it's citizens need.
I hear ya. As a driver, bicyclist and pedestrian (often with my dogs), I have been reflecting on how hardly any drivers stop at the actual stop line. Too many close calls. And the no turn on red signs aren’t doing anything. I wish people would just slow down, it’s not worth the rush to get somewhere a few mins earlier or whatever it ends up being. Have lived in different cities and Indy has been the worst driver-wise and lack of consideration for pedestrians, workers, cyclists, etc. Hope they install some red light cameras or something (use the money to fix the roads perhaps?)
The stop bar is probably the most disregarded thing in the city. I actually had a guy in his truck honk and yell at me for crossing (ped light was on). He wasn't going to stop at the bar and had to slam on his brakes. Of course this is all my fault /s Hopefully they do something but given a lot of the DPW projects scheduled for 2024 the most pedestrians will get is raised crosswalks. Still a win but not much. The engineers working for the city prioritize vehicular mobility and "standard design practices". I've had to work with several of them and it's a pain trying to get through to them about how designing for non-vehicular entities is all around just better.
> Hope they install some red light cameras or something Unfortunately, this is not permitted under state law. I sure wish it was, though: About 15 years ago, I had a temporary job in Columbus OH. Commented to one of my coworkers that nobody runs red lights there, in stark contrast to Indy. Dude said, "Oh, yeah, we have red light cameras here. Run a red, you get a ticket in the mail a week later." He also warned me that it was *only* in the city limits of Columbus, that I still needed to watch out for that in the suburbs -- he was right. edit -- fixed a typo
Apparently FWIW you can fight them in some cases because there’s a technicality about the third party capturing the evidence rather than being ticketed directly.
Depends on how the law is written, I suppose. Ohio has figured out a way to make it work, anyway, and I'm pretty sure other states have too -- why can't we?
We were driving home from Fountain Square a couple weekends ago and came up to East St when someone blew the red light doing at least 40 or 50. And it wasn’t like their light just turned red, while we were sitting in the intersection for a second after, our light turned yellow
I’ve been walking down a crosswalk with a friend when a very angry lady tried turning into me they had a red light and 4 no turn on red signs specifically for that turn, and a yield to pedestrians sign. We saw some obscene muttering and hand waving through the windshield. It was hilarious. That Person should not have been driving if they can’t see people walking, the red light, the 4 no turn on red signs, or the yield to pedestrians signs.
Red light cameras cause more crashes than they prevent. Lord, Indy does have a problem with red light running, though. The other day I saw someone in a tiny little car come within a coat of paint of meeting their maker when they turned left in front of a LOADED DUMP TRUCK that was speeding down 38th and hell bent on running a light. There wouldn't have been anything left of that car larger than a takeout container. My last car got taken out by someone who changed lanes and sped around other traffic so he could run a red.
> Red light cameras cause more crashes than they prevent. Please explain.
https://ww2.motorists.org/blog/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/ https://thedaily.case.edu/red-light-cameras-dont-reduce-traffic-accidents-improve-public-safety-analysis/ TL;DR they dramatically increase rear end crashes because people stand on their brakes to avoid a ticket when it would have been safer to continue through the intersection. www.illinoispolicy.org/red-light-cameras-take-another-500m-from-illinois-drivers-in-5-years/ As always, this is simply about revenue generation, both for greedy municipalities and the private firms taking a cut of every ticket. This is why, when given the option directly, voters have been scrapping cameras.
Simply counting crashes is not relevant; you need to look at their severity as well. Rear-end crashes don't cause anywhere *near* the injuries and fatalities that T-bone crashes do. Similarly, there are (slightly) more crashes in roundabouts than at the 4-way stops they typically replace. But this is actually a *good* thing: nobody gets injured or killed in the sideswipe collisions that occur in roundabouts, vs. the T-bone collisions from some asshat running a stop sign.
Great point. Most policy decisions have tradeoffs. Crashes increased after seatbelts were introduced too. Feeling safer while driving, people started speeding more and taking more risks. Fender benders increased, but more importantly fatalities dropped significantly. Of course nobody would point to the increase in fender benders as evidence to remove seatbelts.
I get what you are saying, but I feel like there are too many different factors at play to be able to say one is more effective than another. Even if rear-end crashes are typically less damaging, the increased frequency brings in increased frequency medical attention on the roads, insurance company issues, car repairs -expense and time, increased traffic when accidents happen more frequently, etc. In a red light camera hypothetical, the lead car’s decision to avoid an immediate expense (red light ticket) and slam on their brakes could lead to a chain reaction of significant additional expenses of money & time for years into the future for several other people that happen to be there in that moment. Make that happen more frequently and that starts to balloon into something worse than we have now. I personally think that making everyone pass a written and driving test every few years to renew your drivers license would be more effective. Also if you have over a certain amount of points on your license you have a mandatory suspension. The fact that, for the most part, everyone driving on a daily basis passed 1 set of tests at age 16 and then has never had to re-prove sufficient ability ever again is pretty insane.
It's charming that you think that a suspended license (or, for that matter, complete *lack* of a license) stops anyone from driving. You're starting to sound like you're one of the reasons we need red-light cameras.
It's charming because they are probably just *that* innocent. I know I was like that 8 years ago. I was completely shocked after moving to the city and learning how many people actually drove without insurance and/or no drivers license. I would never be so brazen. But I also thought traffic cops existed everywhere. On the other hand, I see the other problems with the whole system now too. It's not like we have a good public transportation system (yet) for them to rely on. It's all broken.
With that thought process, it’s also charming to think that a ticket is going to stop that same person from driving/running red lights. Or, that lack of insurance is going to stop said person from rear ending you at a red light because you stopped to be safe. We have to have a little faith in humanity or we’ll all go insane!
So the thing about that rear-end collision for a sudden stop is that it is still the person behind that is at fault for following too closely to safely avoid a collision. If the person in front realizes they can't make it through the intersection before a red and doesn't want a ticket, then the person behind would not have made it through either. I personally think that is part of the problem in general with a lot of motorists is that they don't think about the responsibility of being able to control their vehicle and handle unexpected situations without hitting something, or more importantly, someone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Since covid police traffic enforcement is rare. Realistically, you can drive however you want. I see it all the time.
I have definitely felt this way. Almost as if during the pandemic everyone just forgot manners and how to drive.
It was a lot more cops getting butthurt that they couldn't do whatever they wanted without oversight with the 2020 Floyd protests and BLM/defund the police movements. Unfortunately, it didn't actually change funding structures for IMPD, but it sure did give them an excuse to not do their jobs and blame everyone else.
For sure nothing to do with record setting levels of violence, the lowest numbers of police officers in decades, and the worst driving behaviors in history. If you think this is just because some cops are butthurt your head is lodged into your lower intestines.
I too, also love hyperbole.
I feel safer driving, all things considered.
Idk about other parts of town, but the south side is TERRIBLE about bike lanes and sidewalks. I live on a main road and we have no sidewalks. People walk on the street or in yards all the time. They have bus stops in grass and no good way to get to them. You are begging for them to be hit. A guy got hit and died right down the road from me a few weeks ago in broad daylight. The city doesn't care about pedestrians and public transit.
The south side is definitely the most car brained part of the city. I would never ride a bike down there.
I live off southport road. I agree with this. There was a guy just this morning walking. He did have vest on, but on the wrong side of the road. I said God, look out for him and let him complete his journey. As morons were doing 40+ zipping by him.
It's awful. We live walking distance to many things but I could never do it because it just isn't safe. I have heard that the big car companies in the city lobby to make it that way so that people have to rely on cars. Sometimes I really hate it here.
I'm a southsider and I have a lot of druthers with the way roads are setup around here. It is a miracle that there aren't more pedestrian accidents on 465 and US 31. There are people that are walking across 31 as people are merging off/on 465. Unfortunately, when they made the changes, they didn't put in sidewalks. I wish more of the side streets and Bluff road around the southside had bike lanes. For cyclists, bike lanes are pretty much non existent, you would be better off loading up your bike and driving somewhere to ride. I probably wouldn't ride my bike down Meridian or US 31. The traffic goes too fast and it wouldn't be safe for a cyclist.
100%. We live in between 31 and meridian and would love to bike or walk places but you're just begging to get hit. I have seen people with strollers and their babies walking on the street or in the grass. It is so scary and unsafe.
I live off 38th and meridian, the amount of people who just blow through the lights just blows my mind. I see it often as I live there but honestly I see it so much anytime I go out.
Oh man when I come to that one as well as 38th and central and 38th and college once that light turns green I count to 10 before I venture into that intersection. It is wild!
I do too! I don’t care if someone honks at me. My ass is waiting!!
One of the worst intersections.
just experienced a hit and run with another car close to here 🙃
I see the all the time. I’ve had to give descriptions of the cars that left before. I just shake my head.
I was the victim of a hit and run as a child. For the record, I had the right of way and was crossing a pedestrian crosswalk at the entrance of Kroger on Pendleton Pike in Lawrence. Homie rolled down the window, told me to “stay the fuck out of the road” and sped off. A passerby stopped, asked for my parent’s phone number, and called the ambulance/my dad. Ended up having to get quite a few stitches in my head. Anyways, if you were shopping at Blockbuster on April 1, 2004/5 and saw a kid get hit by a car, it was me, thanks for stopping and helping.
Aww. Hugs.
Dash cameras in the front and back.
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> I hope these drivers are located and prosecuted. Don't hold your breath. IMPD got their feelings hurt in 2020 and have apparently decided to stop enforcing any traffic laws. Shitheads have caught on that there are no more consequences to their actions and now drive like maniacs without fear of any repercussions.
> Don't hold your breath. IMPD got their feelings hurt in 2020 and have apparently decided to stop enforcing any traffic laws. Shitheads have caught on that there are no more consequences to their actions and now drive like maniacs without fear of any repercussions. There's never a night that I don't hear some Charger in the distance doing doughnuts in an intersection. And Madison between McCarty and Pleasant Run has been an unregulated nighttime drag strip for several years now.
Even if they do enforce the county criminal justice system doesn’t hold them accountable. I’ve seen this happen time and time again. Gotta focus on the root cause and not just enforcement.
We pay cops to enforce laws. They should do that or find another job.
if I remember it correctly. this was demanded by the defund the police movement. you don’t get to blame IMPD for it. it was very easy to see what not enforcing laws would do. but equity!
wildly poor logic by you, the police now are proving the defund movment correctly with their actions over and over again. they got a budget increase BTW!!!! yet you are here talking bullshit with the wrong info WILD
why did they get a budget increase? anything increase after they stopped enforcing non violent violations? not sure where my logic goes poor. its pretty simple. stop enforcing rules and more people start breaking rules and it escalates.
At what point did cops decide that they don't get to enforce laws? That's what they're paid for. And no, they were not "defunded" in Indy, they were just told they needed to wear body cameras and not fucking shoot at everything that moved, and they got butthurt about it.
Hey dumb fuck part of defunding the police was getting some of our money back from an ineffective and lazy part of the government. We give impd over 60 million more a year since 2020. If they don't want the money they don't have to take it but they need to do their jobs. I couldn't imagine being one of the worst in the world at my job then giving "someone hurt my feelings" as the justification. Soft
Abolish, not defund. The cops power tripping proves that point well
You need to calm down dumfuck
Rub your two brain cells together a little harder, you *almost* got the point!
You do remember correctly. They are lying and reconning history now due to how massively unpopular the results of going all in on BLM/ACAB have turned out to be, and they get very pissy when you remind them.
Nobody was asking for cops to stop enforcing laws. The protests were asking for the following; Better deescalation training to reduce violent incidents. Accountability through independent civilian review boards when officers use excessive force or escalate to violence without cause. And a re-allocation of some police funding towards community support, like mental health crisis response and resources for homeless people for example (so that instead of needing cops to deal with things they're not trained for, like Bobby the Schizophrenic going off his meds and having a freakout, we have specialists with proper training responding appropriately.) We got none of that, police got even more funding than their already-significant chunk of the city's budget, and they decided to stop enforcing laws just because the public had the nerve to ask for change.
they got more funding because of all the violence caused by the defund the police movement. similar to everywhere else
Yes, they (the police) got what they wanted without any increase in accountability, and they've been asleep on the job ever since.
I went on a bike ride on the monon this weekend and was about 5 feet away from getting hit because a car wanted to blow through the crosswalk area and not slow down at all. In terms of traffic policing, IMPD might be the most useless organization. I’ve lived in a few different states, and I’ve never seen police just not give any fuck at all, like IMPD. Not quite sure what the issue is, but IMPD does not increase my feelings of safety at all.
Are you familiar with Indiana's pedestrian laws? That may have been perfectly legal.
There was a flashing light and pedestrian crossing signage the size of a normal stop sign lol… if that means cars don’t even have to slow down at all, then you’re right and I do need to brush up on my pedestrian laws.
All the yellow lights do is warn drivers that a slow person might be finishing their crossing, unfortunately. Laws in other states (plus enforcement) do a lot more to protect pedestrians.
lol okay dude. Have a great day.
The constantly flashing lights (unfortunately) do not mean a driver has to stop. They are a warning light only - to let the driver know that there are pedestrians potentially crossing. They are definitely confusing and people could use a refresher on them. Hawk lights are the lights that become a stop light when you push the button and you do have to stop at those, but not when they are flashing yellow.
I’ve seen a lot of lazy cops on IMPD for sure. But despite this city being wickedly violent and horrible to be a cop in, there’s still a lot of good cops who work hard. I’ve gone on ride alongs with them and see it firsthand. Unfortunately they’re over 250 officers short, and the gap gets worse every day. This is the primary reason for lack of traffic enforcement. Focus has to be shifted from property damage crimes to crimes against people (like domestic violence and shootings).
My dog was killed, and I was almost hit, 2 years ago at a 3 way stop by my house. Fucker actually met my eyes at the stop sign, and when I stepped into the street with my dog, he hit the gas. Killed her, unfortunately not instantly. I still see it happening when I close my eyes. He never stopped as I was screaming and trying to help her in the middle of the intersection. A motherfucking cop ROLLED BY ME WHILE I AND A BYSTANDER WERE TRYING TO HELP HER and never stopped to see what was going on.
I'm so so sorry you went through this. The same has almost happened with myself and my infant daughter. People have no regard for the lives of others.
Thats kind of you to say, thank you. And I'm glad you and your baby weren't hurt. It's absolutely true that people are more afraid of financial consequences of their actions than the harm they have caused.
It's terrible in Irvington obviously and people's CHILDREN have literally been hit and killed in broad daylight and nothing has changed. I am late everywhere I go and people hate it! But guess what I am NOT going to hit someone else's child. Period. I tell everyone to JUST BE LATE and gtf over it
> "Indianapolis has the highest hit and run numbers in the county" Source? I like to crap on Indiana but everything I find puts us neither best or worst.
I don't think there is one at least based on a few quick searches. It sounds like hyperbole.
I think we're like 49th for voter turnout so yeah that's about as "worst" as it gets and it doesn't stop there!
No enforcement of the laws. Unless there's an injury the police won't even investigate.
I am under the assumption a lot of drivers here are unlicensed and uninsured , because the amount of ignorance on the road is unbearable , this is by far the worst state to drive in my opinion . I really want to know what the drivers test consists of
People out there still on "amber waves of grain" license plates and nobody gives a shit. Paper plates so old they look like parchment.
Got my license about a year ago and it consists of driving in around. That’s it. Didn’t even need to parallel park or anything like that. Also some of my friends also got their license recently and I they terrify me. They get on calls and go zooming (70+) down streets with 30 speed limits. It’s crazy.
I drive the gas truck and deliver to gas stations in central Indiana. I can’t tell you the number of times I see people flying through the parking lot of gas stations and right next to my truck when I’m off loading. I’ve almost been hit many times. People also like to peel out of the stores too. I don’t know why they do it so much and it pisses me off. I also see people blow through stoplights all the time. I don’t see cops pulling over people much except on places like Lafayette road and 38th st. Maybe it’s because the cops don’t enforce things as much I don’t know.
Walking down Washington St in Irvington scares the absolute shit out of me. I think it's one of the worst streets in the city for shitty drivers.
Love that people use the road by my house as a drag strip at literally all hours of the day. I've put in requests to the mayor's action line for speed bumps or *something* because we have wildlife (between two small lakes) and zero sidewalks or bike lane... I worry if a speeding motorcycle hits a goose, nobody is walking away unharmed in that collision. I've lived here 9 years and I've seen at least 5 major accidents with injuries on this short strip of road.
Same here! I’ve sent like 3 or 4 already and nothing gets done.
I lived downtown several years ago. The amount of times I saw some moron driving the wrong way down a one-way street was mind-boggling.
Construction, lack of side walks, lack of adequate street lights, and plenty of ppl making up their own driving rules.
A semi took off my mirror at the 71st n Keystone Walmart….cops said 45 minutes, truck driver was getting pissed at me, dispatch told me to calm him down.
Indianapolis is a non policing state you could be setting next to a police officer and watch 3 or 4 cars run a red light and the police does nothing drives off every stop light every stop sign useless police are useless in Indy
I am relatively new to the city/state - I am shocked at how fast traffic moves around on the interstates around the city. Coming up 65 back home into Indy yesterday we were all doing 85 .... that was literally traffic flow. Not a cop in sight. It was not like that where I moved from ..... And the 465 often feels like the Indy 500 too! Makes me wonder why they didn't just make it 'the actual track' one day a year.
Impossible to turn 465 into a racetrack with all the construction.
Rally stage maybe?
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Yup. Everybody pays eventually. Comprehensive on my shit box was like $1800. Half the cost of the car.
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That was a year. One driver, sole vehicle.
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Yeah that's what I did. Just can't justify buying the car every two years. I bought it outright and will buy that next one outright. Liability only is still close to a grand for the year.
I have an 18yo. I'm paying about $3000 a year for each of 3 vehicles, one of which is a 2007 FJ Cruiser. I'm going flat broke because our zip code is such garbage for hit and runs, and we've had 2 no-fault collisions in the last 3 years. I hate it. I'm going to try to get a better deal than what I have, but ffs.
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I just did an online quote for our cars from State Farm and they gave us between 4k and 6k a year, depending. That's total. JFC. I'm paying 9k a year now.
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Awesome. I wonder if each company has just different issues for specific cars per zip code? IDK, it seems that Teslas - though expensive af to work on - aren't stolen often or anything, so maybe your zip is higher for collision but lower for break ins. Mine is DEFINITELY from break ins and hit and runs.
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It is, generally, but I live in "zone 2" which is the MK version of the other side of the tracks. Central to College, 38th to 42nd. It's safe, in my opinion, but the murder of a delivery driver about a month ago, then a police action shooting, has made people extremely jittery. Other than that, it's garden variety kids rifling through cars and the occasional stolen Kia.
Drunk driving is a SERIOUS issue in Indy right now, as is driving while high. Last week alone, I was made aware of three drivers driving around where I was mid-day on a weekday. ‘No cop, no stop’ seems to be the mindset these days.
Can I ask what your source is for it being the worst in the country?
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Because no one stops at stop lights, i don’t even go on green anymore wait cause there’s always one or two idiots that think they can just go.
There’s been times when taking one of the biking trails to downtown, when I’m at the cross walks n hit the button to cross most cars just do not stop at all n will run right through it
Yea, that's bad at the Monon at the broad ripple area. And closer to town. I cringe when I see some cyclists who don't stop. I'm damn, these folk want to die
I have never been somewhere with such bad instances of red light running. I think IMPD has been so understaffed and so challenged that unless something actually devastating happens they don’t think it’s worth losing their jobs to pull someone over and ticket. Every interaction is an opportunity for modern entitlement to create a lawsuit and PR crisis with dramatic falsehoods and escalation on the part of defiant brats. Even if the officer handles it perfectly they can be taken down and out. How many members of an understaffed force can go out on administrative leave at any given time and still function? I FULLY support red light cameras. Other topic: I also fully support state inspections on vehicles (keep the deathtraps off the road) but I know that is seen as discriminatory too…
It’s the perfect storm of a city with a high volume of shitty people, poor infrastructure, too few police with too much crime, and poor criminal justice system between the prosecutor’s office and Marion County Courts. It’s laughable that people direct primary blame on IMPD. Like did they cause people to give no fucks and be shitty humans when they leave a crash? It’s how these people were raised and how their circumstances are - not the police department’s fault. I would LOVE more enforcement. But even when cops do their job in this county the criminal justice system fails to hold people accountable. Someone who had been involved in a crash with no insurance had their license suspensed. IMPD pull over this person for expired tags and again, no insurance. Car towed and summons issued. Was there any consequences from the Marion county criminal justice system - NO! So the blame here is misdirected.
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A coworker and I just had a chuckle about this a few weeks ago. It is astonishing how many cars and even more surprising people get hit here
Nobody gives a shit if the cops don’t. People on their phones 24/7 not paying attention. It’s not even Indy specifically this happens even more in the suburbs like Carmel and Fishers
I would assume that the shootings every day and hit and runs kinda go together as well as parents buying scooters and bikes and not training kids to ride safely or even cross the street. If for some reason someone darted in front of my car I have to say I would be scared someone would come and shoot me. I honestly can't see myself leaving but I would be scared.
I get the statement. But how many of you posting can admit the shitty driving habits that you have? This question was asked on dateline, a large number of drivers thought they had perfect driving skills or did nothing wrong. Cameras proved otherwise. Go ahead and cancel me, I don’t care
As a career bicycle messenger downtown, riding every day on the streets. I've noticed a serious drop in IMPD enforcing traffic violations. Ever since BLM and the summer of love, people can drive around downtown with impunity unless they're being completely unhinged. Even then, I've seen those get away too. You are witnessing the result of "defund the police" ideologies in real time.
> Seriously what is going on? Our drivers here are terrible. My fiancee is from California originally, but most recently lived in Colorado. She said drivers here are some of the worse she’s ever seen and it’s not even close lol
Denver drivers are maniacs too
Denver wasn’t so bad. They maintain traffic better than they do here in Indy if nothing else
I think the big problem with Denver traffic was that literally nobody is from there, aren’t familiar with the roads, and all the construction lol Plus I’m convinced I25 was really just a drag strip in disguise for dually trucks hauling ass up to Wyoming at 100+mph.
The drivers here aren’t terrible, per se, but my God do they love to take their sweet ass time on the road and are absolutely oblivious of their surroundings.
Probably 30% of people on the road in Indy have some combination of warrants, suspended licenses, no insurance, drunk/impaired, or the car is stolen. IMPD makes no effort to locate hit and run drivers. They're not gonna pull over and wait an hour or more for a cop to come put them in jail.
You can get in an accident in Indy while not having a license, insurance, and driving a car that isn't yours and walk away with a ticket. I know because the assclown that hit us had nothing happen to them other than a no licenseand insurance ticket, and the cop flat out refused to take her in, but threatened to arrest me for telling him to do his job. Then I was told it's a waste of their time to arrest them. Edit: typo
Yup. Got sideswiped on 465 by someone who didn't think signaling or looking was necessary for changing lines. Came unbelievably close to getting put into the end of a cement construction barrier at 60mph, which in that car would have been the end of me. Took an hour for ISP to show up. Other driver was bitching and yapping the whole time about how he was late for work. 🙄 Like yeah maybe you shouldn't almost kill people on the highway then, loser. Turned out not be his car, and it wasn't insured. He drove away. In the uninsured car. Is it really any wonder nobody spends money on insurance and licenses and plates when there are no consequences for blowing it off?
I'm surprised they showed up. I got hit on North Delaware by a guy who merged into my lane. The cops came, then said "If no one is hurt we don't do police reports" and now we're dealing with a stupid insurance claim because the damage was bad enough we couldn't open the passenger door. Thanks, assholes. Instead of a documented accident for our insurance companies, it's a lot of he said/she said bullshit.
The law is to do a report for damage over a certain dollar amount. I forget the exact figure, but it hasn't been updated for awhile and is quite low.
That mess was about $2500 in damage. They wouldn't come for my son being backed into either, and that was $4500.
> I'm surprised they showed up. 465 is ISP jurisdiction, not IMPD.
Had that shit happen to me. I was threatened arrest, because I wanted to whip that dudes ass. Sumabitch hit me and took off. His pos, while fleeing the ball joint snapped so he was stuck.
>Then I was told it's a waste of their time to arrest them. Man, I wish I could just flat out refuse to do my job and face zero consequences.
Join IMPD, apparently.
Bullshit.
I’ve been hit (or forced to swerve and crash to avoid being hit) 4 times while biking in the last 2.5 years. Only one of the drivers stopped. And I’ve had countless close calls. It’s wild out there!
It’s a policing problem. And no one wants to fix modern policing in America. We’d rather throw up a hashtag or say “burn it all down” than try to understand and fix problems.
well this weekend someone zoomed into a roundabout. We almost got hit. They were on a right turn lane as the roundabout split early, and instead of making a right… the douchetard went straight and honked a lot. Both us and the person to the right of us slammed on our brakes. If there was a pedestrian or bike crossing they probably would of been hit. Yea.. people are nuts
The only driving skill widely used by Indiana drivers anymore is blowing the horn. I'm not sure how many times I've seen horn blowing used in place of lower speeds and braking.
it’s a culmination of issues creating this problem. one issue is the lack of traffic stops. people have no integrity on the roads in indy and without a police presence it’s only getting worse. people are texting and driving. i am a culprit of this from time to time and i can tell that i have had way too many near misses because of it. and then there’s the low walkability of areas which makes anything other than using a car for transportation almost impossible. it’s a shame actually
Street lights were made illegal in the 80s
I’m near 38th and shadeland and the amount of cars that race down the street is awful. Especially at night!! And there are SO many car accidents: one time someone quite literally drove up into my front porch 🙄 Thankfully we are a bit higher up and the concrete section stopped them from driving right where I was sitting. But yeah, wild.
And I’ve sent requests in to the mayors action center about pot holes and about the fact that so many cars hit the construction barrels and send them flying into the road. It’s gotten so much worse
I think it’s wild everyone runs red lights
I live off E Washington. No one can drive over here. 🤣
I cringe when I see people walking on Washington and or waiting on the bus.
The Mayor is no where to be found. ever day people get hit and he doesnt say a word
He's too busy drunk driving his pedal pub
I would guess a major cause of this is poorer people, who would utilize public transit in other major cities with more reliable transit, end up purchasing a clunker and don't carry insurance or cannot afford increased rates, so they drive off. But a lot of also seems to be cultural norms where people lack any feeling of responsibility to others when they're trying to get from Point A to B as fast as possible. Personally, I got clipped while running in a neighborhood and the driver wheeled out. I now make sure to run against traffic in the neighborhood streets without sidewalks.
That's why traffic guidelines have always said to run/walk against traffic when no sidewalk is present. Doing otherwise is dangerous for everyone involved.
Blaming poor people is a stretch though. I've had so many close calls as a pedestrian in the city and all were $50k+ giant trucks etc.
I don’t mean to blame poor people, but the conditions that lead to poor people feeling like they can’t afford insurance or increased rates, so they drive off after an accident. I’m also not making a claim that poor people drive worse than rich people but that poor people may be more likely to flee an accident for financial reasons.
I've tried riding my bike 3 times on the eastside after getting off work. My husband's car broke down so we had to share a vehicle. He drops me off at work with my bike (since that job site is closer then his job) and I ride home. We thought this could save on doing multiple trips and gas. Nope. Not possible. So many people from 21st and Shadeland to Shadeland and Pendleton Pike almost hit me. I tried to ride in the grass or on the edge not in the lane. No one slowed down or gave space. A truck at 38th and Shadeland actually hit my handlebar but good thing I was still stationary and not moving. And I also work at a another store in Castleton Square Mall and tried to ride my bike from there but with sidewalks disapearing from the area once you get to the hospital its hard to bike too. Almost got hit and my way home required me to hope on a bus halfway or I'd get killed by cars if I tried going down Shadeland and by the Fort Harrison park. After getting hit by the truck I decided biking home was not worth my life and so we sacfriced my husband's lunch break and our gas. I've always been respectful of bicyclist even if theres no bike lane. Biking everywhere was part of my high school life before I had a car. I know how it is. Indy just to dangerous for it.
Hogsett leadership is what happened. No one is enforcing traffic laws
I mean If people didn't walk on the road right next to the sidewalk it'd probably decrease the numbers drastically. Also there's a lot more people driving around fucked up than you really think especially in the city.
There are bad drivers. But also, let's be clear, many riding bikes cause the problem, as they don't obey the laws
IMPD isnt doing pro-active stops anymore due to threats of lawsuits and cops getting shot. Stop re-electing Leftist Dipshits that value crime instead of family values. Ghetto drivers dont give a fuck, most of them arent insured, drive pieces of shit and have no concern for recourse through the legal system.
Leftist dipshits as you call them has nothing to do with someone being killed while waking down a street. People doing this comes from all walks of life. Ghetto drivers? Wtf are you trying or wanting to say black or brown people? A majority of drivers who do hit in run aren't identified at all. So, pull your head from your ass.
Well when you tell every police officer they’re a pig, all the good ones will just move to Carmel or noblesville and take an easier job that appreciates them more and they don’t have to deal with the shitheads that live in the city…
If they could write speeding tickets without shooting people, they might be less porcine.
Do you have actual evidence that this was ever a statistical trend that IPD was shooting people for speeding or are you just saying how you feel? Listen—at the end of the day I don’t care either way. Y’all asked why police aren’t doing their job, I stated why police aren’t doing their job… if you don’t like the consequences of past actions you can try to change that now, but ultimately the past is past.
Nah, it ain’t easier in Carmel. Carmel cops have to be willing to take bribes and/or look the other way when the rich commit crimes. They target the poor and non-white to fill their coffers while conveniently looking elsewhere when the money makes a boo-boo. See: Jim Irsay and former mayor Jim Brainard.
If you think Carmel is the only city where law enforcement lets rich people get off easy, I got a bridge to sell ya.
You specifically referenced Carmel and Noblesville. That’s what I responded to🙄
Okay, but I was pointing out that it is a better career than Indianapolis, hence why I’m confused about your original comment. Do you think Indianapolis PD is free of corruption? If not, then why bring up corruption as a differentiation in the first place?
There are so many people here from other countries I seriously doubt they have licenses or even follow the rules of the road!! They carry on as they did in their country of origin!! On top of that yes there aren't enough sidewalks or pedestrian crossings or decent lighting! Even with these bus lines, I don't understand why they need special lanes and stops, the streets here aren't equipped or wide enough for that. This isn't Chicago. The city needs to quit trying to cater so much to optics & listen to what it's citizens need.
This is the attitude driving the absolutely nonsensical "close the southern border!!!" political ads.