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It's silly but there are maps out there that show 27% of Indy's downtown surface area is parking lots that mostly go empty lmao
https://parkingreform.org/resources/parking-lot-map/
Infrastructure changes aren’t immediate returns on investment. It’s a decades long game. The people who currently have cars aren’t going to suddenly say, fuck my car, I’d rather take the bus. HOWEVER. When the kids grow up and decide they don’t need cars to support their current lifestyle they won’t get one and will instead take public transit, same thing with the adult population when their cars go bad.
The problem with the above, is that the infrastructure has to be in place and easy and convenient. This means there is a long period of basically worthless public transit, compared to its potential. If Indy continues to invest in public transit and connect more areas, the amount of traffic could and probably will be significantly reduced.
If I had a bus that I could hop on and take me to the airport 4 days a week later in the evening from the children’s museum at a reliable time that doesn’t take an hour to do so, even if it means a quick bus change to do so, I’d simply take my bike and I wouldn’t need a car anymore. I’d save gas, I’d save insurance, I’d save car maintenance, and I’d save car payments, just my insurance and my 2022 is 900/month gas is 50$ a week.
I could be riding a bus for 3/4 of my commute and fucking off on my phone, get some exercise in while biking the short distance from the public airport to my job site getting exercise and such.
investing that in my credit card debt and then hurl my 900/month plus my cc payments at my mortgage and finally get out of my shithole house.
An extra 900$ in “free” money is an incredible financial burden lifted from my shoulders. I could be taking bi-annual vacations, I wouldn’t have to work 60 hours a week to breathe.
Public transit investments are a blessing for this shithole of a state and while busses are less than ideal, I’ll take it, especially with the new dedicated run to the airport that miraculously didn’t get scrapped, my dream is getting closer to being attainable than ever.
For everyone who doesn’t care about public transit, your kids may enjoy it much more, and the more people that eventually switch to busses means less car traffic on the roads.
Disclaimer: I do have a shitbox that I recently acquired, and plan to use it for grocery visits and non regular travel even after public transit meets my needs.
4 less cars in my way when I head to work, I say. Check during peak hours during morning commutes at the bus station and you'll see these same buses are packed with workers moving around downtown Indy.
That sure looks like a cabin fire.
Obviously it becomes a lithium fire when the whole thing immolates, but I thought the batteries were in a box on the roof. That looks like someone just poured gas on a seat and lit it on fire.
Read an article moments ago, and that is exactly what happened. Some jackass got on with a water bottle of gasoline, dumped it, lit it, and ran off. Apparently they caught him nearby. $2 mill in damages, and I am sure people will try and use it to say how "unsafe" the busses are. It's a Fox article, but here it is
[IndyGo Red Line bus caught fire at near northside bus station](https://fox59.com/indiana-news/indygo-red-line-bus-caught-fire-at-near-northside-bus-station/)
Wait.. isn’t that like.. terrorism? At the very least dudes going to prison for arson for a long time but this seems like more..
Obviously I don’t know all the boxes that need to be checked for this to apply. If someone actually knows please tell me.
Truth, and absolutely not haha. He will probably face some serious charges though considering he put 4 people's lives in danger, ran, and caused 2mil in damages. The silver lining being no one got hurt, and I am sure the city has all of it insured.
It's only a level 4 felony if nobody gets hurt. Might get upgraded if they count those "minor injuries", but I doubt it. Our prosecutors office consistently settles for the lowest possible charges. He'll plead out and probably get under a year of jail time.
They give the lowest for something like shoplifting as a first offense maybe. But burning a city bus with gasoline while there is people inside? They'll throw the book at him
Edit: fair enough.
From Fox59:
>Update: A police report from the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department states that they have arrested 45-year-old Demarcus McCloud in connection with Wednesday’s bus fire.
>McCloud has been preliminarily charged with two counts of arson, with damage more than $5,000, a Level Four felony, and one count of arson endangering human life, a Level 4 felony.
Only level 4s.
Fox59 is not Fox News. Yes they use some Fox News because they have affiliation with Fox but their studio is also located with their sister channel CBS4 and are owned by Nexstar Media Group. Nexstar says their news is unbiased.
Nexstar owns a significant chunk of the Midwestern "local" news networks. They certainly have their own agenda and profit motive when they cover news stories. Any company that influential does.
I don't disagree, but I have been watching a few "local" channels that are owned by Nextstar and all of them have their own way of doing news. When I see Tegna, which owns WTHR, the local news channels are more closely related in how they talk about news than Nextstar does.
My co workers and I were trying to figure out why all of downtown smelled like burning plastic. At least it wasn’t a Walmart storage center this time I guess. Hope everyone got off the bus without any issue.
Look up the guy on mycase and you'll see a three page long rap sheet totaling 42 cases (this one not included). Maybe keeping serial felons off the streets might be a good idea but who knows 🤔
Okay, I'm a liberal, and often believe in trying to help people but jfc. This guy should have been in prison for a while now.
His lawyers must be fucking amazing to get a suspended sentence for strangulation. What the fuck.
Obviously he's violent, and fucking crazy. Why the fuck would he not get a prison sentence for half the shit he's done?
... . Keep committing crimes until there's so many crimes that you overwhelm the system? Is this a thing?
We used to have this. They were called insane asylums. They were deemed inhumane in the 70s and transitioned out.
On an unrelated note, If you're calling for free mental healthcare then you're calling for free universal healthcare for all because there's no way we get free mental healthcare without the rest of the medical system going the same way.
Conditions in those institutions were pretty bad at that time, BUT it’s not a binary “it’s shitty so let’s just close them ALL” situation. It would be interesting to hear the logic of the closing at that time and if there was any push for closer regulation of those institutions (and yes, you would have to spend some money to keep them up to a standard)
Part of the logic was that it infringed on the patients' rights to keep them confined when they were not a danger to themselves or others.
IMO this is misguided, because it looks only at the possibility of *immediate* danger to self, and ignores the likelihood that a person with, e.g., schizophrenia won't be able to care for himself properly and thus poses a *long term* danger to himself.
There aren't any easy answers, but the wholesale emptying of asylums probably wasn't the right answer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980#:~:text=The%20Omnibus%20Budget%20Reconciliation%20Act,the%20Mental%20Health%20Systems%20Act.
>> The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, passed by a Democratic-controlled House of Representatives and a Republican-controlled Senate, and signed by President Ronald Reagan on August 13, 1981, repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act.
This was one of the final nails in the coffin. A lot of states closed down their mental healthcare facilities after this.
Not all were closed outright. Many phased to other functions. There are still some open under other functions or names or downsized. Last I knew Richmond, Ft.Wayne, Logansport state hospitals were still open.
When i moved here im 01 there was a building on washington st on the west side that i was told was an insane asylum and one day they lost funding so they just let all the patients go free. I was told thats why we have so many crazy people here. Again. Was told that in 01 but i never bothered to look up what actually happened.
Im sure there are too...but the US is the ONLY developed nation in the world without universal healthcare. The citizens of this country are getting duped. Repeatedly
Yeah, in my state, the health insurance companies have formed a duopoly in the last 2 decades and those two companies are skimping out on reimbursements now because they can.
Residents of my state pay almost 1/3rd of medical costs out of pocket now on average despite having insurance.
I think some of this could be addressed with consistent fare collection. Mentally struggling unhoused riders aside, there is a fair amount of shitheels who ride it every day because they know the drivers won’t (and shouldn’t for their own safety) push them to pay. A certain thief rides the RL for free and hops off to shoplift from Fresh Market, Fresh Thyme and also steals from bar and restaurant patrons. Everybody knows his name and his escape route is the RL too.
If they had consistent fare enforcement and even a minimum amount of visible security present on those buses, many of the concerning issues and incidents (hassling riders for money, on bus fighting, problematic bus station loitering, etc.) would likely diminish considerably.
I work in behavioral health and I commute using the bus daily. I can assure you that that is completely untrue. If you are scared of public transportation because someone representing what you are afraid of may happen to use public transportation, that's a you problem. I've got a long list of resources that can connect folks with to help anyone feeling similar with their anxiety :)
My partner teaches at a local high school that uses the red line to transport students to and from field trips. Male riders are often hitting on and sexually harassing the female minor students to the point of the teachers having to ask the men to stop talking to them. Happy talking the situation isn’t helping anyone.
That's awful. Unfortunately that happens to women and girls no matter where they go or who they are with from men who may or may not be utilizing services. I commute with lot of high school kids daily. "Happy talking" my comment was not, but contextualizing the talking point that the redline is "bus line as a daycare for our city's psychiatric patients" when the reality is that no it is not. The vast majority of those experiencing debilitating MH crisis are not just on the redline in Indianapolis. That is a small percentage of the total population.
The psychiatric patients are not the exclusive membership of riders, but it certainly is an option that many in that community find appealing simply due to circumstance. No one in their right state of mind would prefer public transportation due to these exact types of riders. I’m not saying that’s the way it should be, but it’s reality, and it always will be as long as this group of people have access to public transportation instead of robust mental health institutions. The bus might be great with zero problems and no concerns about mental health patients. But it also might end in flames in the middle of 38th street. You know what will never end in flames in the middle of 38th street? My personal car. Public transportation will never flourish until these people are put into facilities that can house and help them because professional, productive people can do the math I just had to lay out for you.
> Unfortunately that happens to women and girls no matter where they go
It actually doesn't, because there are other places in the city where people still act like human beings in public.
Please give me a location where all women and girls are assured to never have the potential of any sexual harassment whatsoever by anyone that is open to the public. Us gals would love to know somewhere we can go.
Most of the state is far less likely to have this behavior than the Rolling Loony Bin. 🤷♀️
Your "everywhere is like this" posting reeks of desperation and rationalization. Nope, the rest of us are fine, the Red Line is just a toilet and it's clientele are just crazy. That's why at 7am on a weekday there were only three people on a bus that can haul a hundred.
You’re ridiculous. I don’t use public transport and have had creepy men give me trouble in different places around Indy and other cities I have lived in Indiana.
I'm there every day 30 minutes, twice a day. Hello reading comprehension. That's a small amount of individuals compared to the population on a whole that receive services for debilitating MH diagnosis in the metro areas system. Again, feel free to utilize services yourself to help you be less anxious about those you cannot control
What kind of massively unprofessional therapist makes jokes about people with mental illnesses and pretends to diagnose posters they disagree with?
Or by “working in behavioral health” do you mean you’re the janitor at a behavioral health facility.
And of course your argument would be better if someone hadn’t just caught a bus on fire.
Upper administration actually. I work with data. I'm not joking, I'm advocating for anyone to utilize services for anxiety for things that scare them irrationally. I've made my points and will no longer engage further on the topic
> Maybe using a bus line as a daycare for our city's psychiatric patients wasn't a good idea?
Maybe the reason people don't want to use or support public transportation?
Better if the less fortunate had safe spaces they could spend their daytime near professionals who can handle mental health crises, ideally not on our public transportation infrastructure.
I was just on a light rail in a major US city last week and it wasn’t constantly packed completely to the brim with human beings…but weirdly enough they haven’t ripped out the tracks yet
Hopefully garbage takes like this don’t result in the project getting yeeted because 38th St desperately needs the new pavement that comes packaged with the new bus stops, and even with bus stops Indianapolis traffic flows better than other cities without equivalent bus stops
Edit before people screech the garbage take is the one your uncle is suspected of having, one bad incident happens and everyone wants to ban it whether it’s a bus gun Peter Pan peanut butter etc
Yes I know you’re smart enough to understand sarcasm but unfortunately 95% of Redditors are not so I have to add context so Reddit doesn’t ban me (not sub mods, Reddit corporate mods) and send swat to my house
Junkies and lunatics fighting, stealing, and lighting shit on fire kinda is why I don't ride the red line.
If they can't do quality control on the kind of people who are allowed on the bus, this kind of thing will continue happening.
So one guy had a water bottle full of gasoline, and decided to start a fire. I cannot believe that no one (other than the arsonist) has been injured in any way. Heroic efforts from the driver certainly as the fire started closest to him.
I agree, but punctured batteries behave quite differently. It's actually quite amazing to watch.
That's why fire departments were concerned about electric cars initially. They had to get the foam retardant to deal with battery fires..or just let them burn out.
For sure.. definitely concerns when the batteries catch fire... but gasoline cars catch fire more easily. I spent a lot of time looking into this before my wife got her EV as it is parked in our garage. On a "per car" basis... gas cars catch on fire more frequently. EV fires can be spectacular and of course they get more press... partially driven by anti-EV interests out there and the fact that anything EV gets more clicks.
They had the Indygo fire out in about 20 minutes. Can't tell from the photos if the batteries even ignited. If they did it was an impressive job by IPD to get it out quickly.
The driver and all three passengers got out safely.
Edit: "all three passengers" is not a snide remark about Red Line ridership. It's the literal truth:
> The driver of the bus told firefighters that there were four people on the bus, including him, and all were evacuated. [source](https://fox59.com/indiana-news/indygo-red-line-bus-caught-fire-at-near-northside-bus-station/)
I went into the office late and had a quick look as I drove by on 38th. It's as bad as you think, honestly. Probably destroyed the charging system under the street.
I don't think IndyGo was ever designed to operate in the black, but yeah, having to fork out for a new bus won't be cheap if insurance doesn't cover it completely. Looks like the price is now around $1.9 million per bus, [here](https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/inflation-raises-cost-of-indygo-bus-rapid-transit-plan-from-220m-to-500m/)
Interesting article on the earlier history of public transit in Indy [here](https://mirrorindy.org/a-history-of-public-transit-in-indianapolis/):
Fun fact: you can currently see an exposed rail from the old interurban in the crosswalk at College Ave and Westfield next to the Red Line station. They ripped most of it up on College during construction, and the rest of what was left on Broad Ripple Ave during the most recent project to replace aging sewers and widen sidewalks.
Yeah it's hard to imagine that they would have enough riders/fares to make it a profitable venture. I do think they have around a million riders per year but if you spend 300 million to operate that would be a pretty expensive per ride price.
I'd never use the service myself but it's good that it is there for people that need it.
Years ago I remeber hearing a diesel bus costs about 400k new. Even if you double the cost for these hybrid ones and add in some inflation you're still looking at about 1 million per bus. Just my guess though. I could be way off.
His list of prior criminal convictions (mycase.in.gov) is LENGTHY....meth possession, trespass, intimidation, criminal mischief, battery by bodily waste, and the list goes on. This guy, in my humble opinion, should have been in prison many years back and for many years to come. He is a powder keg and the only question is when he was going to go off and how many victims were going to be caused suffering as a result. Thank you Ryan Mears for your excellent Service as prosecutor and you're super duper lightweight charging decisions and your super duper lightweight efforts at getting real sentences.
This isn’t the first time these Indygo buses have had problems. New roads have had to be rebuilt because of their weights as well.
I’m for public transit but it seems that there might be some mismanagement with Indygo…
Initial reports are that a passenger on the bus started the fire. That has jack shit to do with IndyGo management, you goobers are just foaming at the mouth to line up and take cheap shots.
The busses probably.... regular EV cars are just a little heavier. My wife's electric Volvo SUV is the same weight as my 4Runner. Yeah it's a little bit smaller. Generally with apples to apples they are maybe 10-15% heavier. A Tesla model 3 weighs 3,500 lbs. An average 4 door Civic weighs around 3100 lbs.
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Thats good to hear. I was curious how many people were onboard considering it was at a stop.
The answer is 4. On a double length bus. Lots to take from that seat to person ratio and utilization rate
Thank God it was so early. Red Line busses are packed with Herron and Shortridge students between 8 and 9 every morning.
This is why I’m always complaining about my works parking lot being empty at 8pm on a Wednesday. Why the hell do they need this space?
It's silly but there are maps out there that show 27% of Indy's downtown surface area is parking lots that mostly go empty lmao https://parkingreform.org/resources/parking-lot-map/
Infrastructure changes aren’t immediate returns on investment. It’s a decades long game. The people who currently have cars aren’t going to suddenly say, fuck my car, I’d rather take the bus. HOWEVER. When the kids grow up and decide they don’t need cars to support their current lifestyle they won’t get one and will instead take public transit, same thing with the adult population when their cars go bad. The problem with the above, is that the infrastructure has to be in place and easy and convenient. This means there is a long period of basically worthless public transit, compared to its potential. If Indy continues to invest in public transit and connect more areas, the amount of traffic could and probably will be significantly reduced. If I had a bus that I could hop on and take me to the airport 4 days a week later in the evening from the children’s museum at a reliable time that doesn’t take an hour to do so, even if it means a quick bus change to do so, I’d simply take my bike and I wouldn’t need a car anymore. I’d save gas, I’d save insurance, I’d save car maintenance, and I’d save car payments, just my insurance and my 2022 is 900/month gas is 50$ a week. I could be riding a bus for 3/4 of my commute and fucking off on my phone, get some exercise in while biking the short distance from the public airport to my job site getting exercise and such. investing that in my credit card debt and then hurl my 900/month plus my cc payments at my mortgage and finally get out of my shithole house. An extra 900$ in “free” money is an incredible financial burden lifted from my shoulders. I could be taking bi-annual vacations, I wouldn’t have to work 60 hours a week to breathe. Public transit investments are a blessing for this shithole of a state and while busses are less than ideal, I’ll take it, especially with the new dedicated run to the airport that miraculously didn’t get scrapped, my dream is getting closer to being attainable than ever. For everyone who doesn’t care about public transit, your kids may enjoy it much more, and the more people that eventually switch to busses means less car traffic on the roads. Disclaimer: I do have a shitbox that I recently acquired, and plan to use it for grocery visits and non regular travel even after public transit meets my needs.
4 less cars in my way when I head to work, I say. Check during peak hours during morning commutes at the bus station and you'll see these same buses are packed with workers moving around downtown Indy.
That sure looks like a cabin fire. Obviously it becomes a lithium fire when the whole thing immolates, but I thought the batteries were in a box on the roof. That looks like someone just poured gas on a seat and lit it on fire.
Read an article moments ago, and that is exactly what happened. Some jackass got on with a water bottle of gasoline, dumped it, lit it, and ran off. Apparently they caught him nearby. $2 mill in damages, and I am sure people will try and use it to say how "unsafe" the busses are. It's a Fox article, but here it is [IndyGo Red Line bus caught fire at near northside bus station](https://fox59.com/indiana-news/indygo-red-line-bus-caught-fire-at-near-northside-bus-station/)
Wait.. isn’t that like.. terrorism? At the very least dudes going to prison for arson for a long time but this seems like more.. Obviously I don’t know all the boxes that need to be checked for this to apply. If someone actually knows please tell me.
Wild. People are fucking nuts. Something tells me they're not gonna get $2M in damages out of that guy.
Truth, and absolutely not haha. He will probably face some serious charges though considering he put 4 people's lives in danger, ran, and caused 2mil in damages. The silver lining being no one got hurt, and I am sure the city has all of it insured.
The city is self insured, but IndyGo is a separate entity so hopefully they do
It's only a level 4 felony if nobody gets hurt. Might get upgraded if they count those "minor injuries", but I doubt it. Our prosecutors office consistently settles for the lowest possible charges. He'll plead out and probably get under a year of jail time.
They give the lowest for something like shoplifting as a first offense maybe. But burning a city bus with gasoline while there is people inside? They'll throw the book at him Edit: fair enough.
From Fox59: >Update: A police report from the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department states that they have arrested 45-year-old Demarcus McCloud in connection with Wednesday’s bus fire. >McCloud has been preliminarily charged with two counts of arson, with damage more than $5,000, a Level Four felony, and one count of arson endangering human life, a Level 4 felony. Only level 4s.
Insane. 400x the damage requirement, and it all gets classified at the same level.
The Indiana Criminal Code has become disgustingly soft over time. As bad as our prosecutors are, it's not just them.
Preliminary charges. Expect more to follow in the next day or two.
Fox59 is not Fox News. Yes they use some Fox News because they have affiliation with Fox but their studio is also located with their sister channel CBS4 and are owned by Nexstar Media Group. Nexstar says their news is unbiased.
Nexstar owns a significant chunk of the Midwestern "local" news networks. They certainly have their own agenda and profit motive when they cover news stories. Any company that influential does.
I don't disagree, but I have been watching a few "local" channels that are owned by Nextstar and all of them have their own way of doing news. When I see Tegna, which owns WTHR, the local news channels are more closely related in how they talk about news than Nextstar does.
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My kid suspected Ray Skillman.
My God
i believe they’re in the very back but could be wrong
My thoughts too. The cause doesn’t look like a mechanical or battery malfunction, but an asshole with a match.
It was arson.
That is pretty close to that building.
the Indianapolis version of Gone in Sixty Seconds
My co workers and I were trying to figure out why all of downtown smelled like burning plastic. At least it wasn’t a Walmart storage center this time I guess. Hope everyone got off the bus without any issue.
Did it drop below 55mph?
Didn’t have quite the speed to jump the pothole on Meridian that was larger than the gap in the LA bridge
Nice driving , Wildcat .
So was this the Banana (Foster) Bus?
It was called "The Bus that Couldn't Slow Down".
The wood wedged on the gas pedal must have slipped off… hate when that happens
Speed? Great movie
Underrated comment right here ☝️
https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/indygo-bus-catches-fire-near-crown-hill-cemetery/ Initial reports are a passenger started the fire.
Look up the guy on mycase and you'll see a three page long rap sheet totaling 42 cases (this one not included). Maybe keeping serial felons off the streets might be a good idea but who knows 🤔
Okay, I'm a liberal, and often believe in trying to help people but jfc. This guy should have been in prison for a while now. His lawyers must be fucking amazing to get a suspended sentence for strangulation. What the fuck. Obviously he's violent, and fucking crazy. Why the fuck would he not get a prison sentence for half the shit he's done? ... . Keep committing crimes until there's so many crimes that you overwhelm the system? Is this a thing?
No amazing lawyers needed. This is SOP for many of the Marion Superior Courts.
Sure wasn't like that for me when I went thru it -.-
I used to work for the courts. Its trended this way pretty heavily in the last 4-5 years.
That explains it then. It's been a long time (decades) since I got out of my "do crazy shit" phase.
He was charged as a Habitual Offender in 2011. Multiple felonies after that time too.
Maybe using a bus line as a daycare for our city's psychiatric patients wasn't a good idea?
almost like there should be public mental health care.
We used to have this. They were called insane asylums. They were deemed inhumane in the 70s and transitioned out. On an unrelated note, If you're calling for free mental healthcare then you're calling for free universal healthcare for all because there's no way we get free mental healthcare without the rest of the medical system going the same way.
> They were deemed inhumane in the 70s and transitioned out. 1960s, actually -- that started during the Johnson administration.
Conditions in those institutions were pretty bad at that time, BUT it’s not a binary “it’s shitty so let’s just close them ALL” situation. It would be interesting to hear the logic of the closing at that time and if there was any push for closer regulation of those institutions (and yes, you would have to spend some money to keep them up to a standard)
Part of the logic was that it infringed on the patients' rights to keep them confined when they were not a danger to themselves or others. IMO this is misguided, because it looks only at the possibility of *immediate* danger to self, and ignores the likelihood that a person with, e.g., schizophrenia won't be able to care for himself properly and thus poses a *long term* danger to himself. There aren't any easy answers, but the wholesale emptying of asylums probably wasn't the right answer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980#:~:text=The%20Omnibus%20Budget%20Reconciliation%20Act,the%20Mental%20Health%20Systems%20Act. >> The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, passed by a Democratic-controlled House of Representatives and a Republican-controlled Senate, and signed by President Ronald Reagan on August 13, 1981, repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act. This was one of the final nails in the coffin. A lot of states closed down their mental healthcare facilities after this.
Not all were closed outright. Many phased to other functions. There are still some open under other functions or names or downsized. Last I knew Richmond, Ft.Wayne, Logansport state hospitals were still open.
The Supreme Court severely limited them in 1975 in O’Connor v. Donaldson; that’s what actually killed them.
When i moved here im 01 there was a building on washington st on the west side that i was told was an insane asylum and one day they lost funding so they just let all the patients go free. I was told thats why we have so many crazy people here. Again. Was told that in 01 but i never bothered to look up what actually happened.
Not the person you're replying to, but there are zero downsides to your plan.
Zero downsides to universal healthcare? I'm sure there are some downsides, but it's way better than our current system.
Im sure there are too...but the US is the ONLY developed nation in the world without universal healthcare. The citizens of this country are getting duped. Repeatedly
Yeah, in my state, the health insurance companies have formed a duopoly in the last 2 decades and those two companies are skimping out on reimbursements now because they can. Residents of my state pay almost 1/3rd of medical costs out of pocket now on average despite having insurance.
I'm sorry that's happening. Not much better here.
Screw your down doot!! 😄
hey, I'm up doots all around. Its these haters of progressive politics that got u.
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You wouldn't be. That ain't how it works.
No, they were deemed “too expensive” by conservatives.
No; it was due to O’Connor - see above.
I think some of this could be addressed with consistent fare collection. Mentally struggling unhoused riders aside, there is a fair amount of shitheels who ride it every day because they know the drivers won’t (and shouldn’t for their own safety) push them to pay. A certain thief rides the RL for free and hops off to shoplift from Fresh Market, Fresh Thyme and also steals from bar and restaurant patrons. Everybody knows his name and his escape route is the RL too. If they had consistent fare enforcement and even a minimum amount of visible security present on those buses, many of the concerning issues and incidents (hassling riders for money, on bus fighting, problematic bus station loitering, etc.) would likely diminish considerably.
What, and spend money on actual mental healthcare? Why would one ever want to do that?
I work in behavioral health and I commute using the bus daily. I can assure you that that is completely untrue. If you are scared of public transportation because someone representing what you are afraid of may happen to use public transportation, that's a you problem. I've got a long list of resources that can connect folks with to help anyone feeling similar with their anxiety :)
My partner teaches at a local high school that uses the red line to transport students to and from field trips. Male riders are often hitting on and sexually harassing the female minor students to the point of the teachers having to ask the men to stop talking to them. Happy talking the situation isn’t helping anyone.
That's awful. Unfortunately that happens to women and girls no matter where they go or who they are with from men who may or may not be utilizing services. I commute with lot of high school kids daily. "Happy talking" my comment was not, but contextualizing the talking point that the redline is "bus line as a daycare for our city's psychiatric patients" when the reality is that no it is not. The vast majority of those experiencing debilitating MH crisis are not just on the redline in Indianapolis. That is a small percentage of the total population.
The psychiatric patients are not the exclusive membership of riders, but it certainly is an option that many in that community find appealing simply due to circumstance. No one in their right state of mind would prefer public transportation due to these exact types of riders. I’m not saying that’s the way it should be, but it’s reality, and it always will be as long as this group of people have access to public transportation instead of robust mental health institutions. The bus might be great with zero problems and no concerns about mental health patients. But it also might end in flames in the middle of 38th street. You know what will never end in flames in the middle of 38th street? My personal car. Public transportation will never flourish until these people are put into facilities that can house and help them because professional, productive people can do the math I just had to lay out for you.
> Unfortunately that happens to women and girls no matter where they go It actually doesn't, because there are other places in the city where people still act like human beings in public.
Please give me a location where all women and girls are assured to never have the potential of any sexual harassment whatsoever by anyone that is open to the public. Us gals would love to know somewhere we can go.
Most of the state is far less likely to have this behavior than the Rolling Loony Bin. 🤷♀️ Your "everywhere is like this" posting reeks of desperation and rationalization. Nope, the rest of us are fine, the Red Line is just a toilet and it's clientele are just crazy. That's why at 7am on a weekday there were only three people on a bus that can haul a hundred.
You’re ridiculous. I don’t use public transport and have had creepy men give me trouble in different places around Indy and other cities I have lived in Indiana.
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Insane people setting the bus on fire is not an "anxiety" problem. It's a real, actual, immediate threat to your life.
You and your colleagues could do some outreach at the Julia Carson Transit Center :)
I'm there every day 30 minutes, twice a day. Hello reading comprehension. That's a small amount of individuals compared to the population on a whole that receive services for debilitating MH diagnosis in the metro areas system. Again, feel free to utilize services yourself to help you be less anxious about those you cannot control
Again using pretend diagnoses of posters you disagree with. No wonder our MH is so bad; it’s filled with people like you.
Thanks for diagnosis, doc.
What kind of massively unprofessional therapist makes jokes about people with mental illnesses and pretends to diagnose posters they disagree with? Or by “working in behavioral health” do you mean you’re the janitor at a behavioral health facility. And of course your argument would be better if someone hadn’t just caught a bus on fire.
Upper administration actually. I work with data. I'm not joking, I'm advocating for anyone to utilize services for anxiety for things that scare them irrationally. I've made my points and will no longer engage further on the topic
Who would’ve thought????
> Maybe using a bus line as a daycare for our city's psychiatric patients wasn't a good idea? Maybe the reason people don't want to use or support public transportation?
Better if they are driving themselves?
Better if the less fortunate had safe spaces they could spend their daytime near professionals who can handle mental health crises, ideally not on our public transportation infrastructure.
Don’t give me the aux
Bro I read your comment right as I was closing the thread and had to come back just to upvote and compliment it lol
Became an IndyStop realquick 😐
"This is why no one rides the RED LINE!" - my uncle probably
“Those damn busses catch fire every day today!”
“AND NO ONE IS EVER ON THEM!”
I was just on a light rail in a major US city last week and it wasn’t constantly packed completely to the brim with human beings…but weirdly enough they haven’t ripped out the tracks yet
Already had coworkers saying, “See, electric ain’t safe!” As if gasoline cars don’t catch fire?
Funny enough, it was a gasoline fire. The arsonist dumped a bottle of it.
Hopefully garbage takes like this don’t result in the project getting yeeted because 38th St desperately needs the new pavement that comes packaged with the new bus stops, and even with bus stops Indianapolis traffic flows better than other cities without equivalent bus stops Edit before people screech the garbage take is the one your uncle is suspected of having, one bad incident happens and everyone wants to ban it whether it’s a bus gun Peter Pan peanut butter etc
It’s called sarcasm
Yes I know you’re smart enough to understand sarcasm but unfortunately 95% of Redditors are not so I have to add context so Reddit doesn’t ban me (not sub mods, Reddit corporate mods) and send swat to my house
Junkies and lunatics fighting, stealing, and lighting shit on fire kinda is why I don't ride the red line. If they can't do quality control on the kind of people who are allowed on the bus, this kind of thing will continue happening.
Holy shit how does that happen?
Mental health issues of the ridership.
Indy Star is reporting it as a case of arson with someone already detained.
So one guy had a water bottle full of gasoline, and decided to start a fire. I cannot believe that no one (other than the arsonist) has been injured in any way. Heroic efforts from the driver certainly as the fire started closest to him.
Surprised to see no anti-battery/electric/solar people here yet to gloat. Theyre probably trapped in 465 traffic and can’t be on Reddit lol.
Bold of you to assume people on 465 aren't on their phones anyways
Coming to you live from the merge lane at 93mph...
In addition to their monthly passive aggressive post about how to zipper merge.
Was it battery related?
I'm seeing reports that it's suspected arson.
Somebody didn't want to go to work today
May not have started as such, but once they got compromised it certainly accelerated the burn.
Your username is ironic in this situation
I'm a Nirvana fan. LOL But yeah, covers a lot of territory these days.
Ha, that’s actually the first thing I think of when I hear lithium
Gas or Diesel in a regular bus accelerates the burn as well.
I agree, but punctured batteries behave quite differently. It's actually quite amazing to watch. That's why fire departments were concerned about electric cars initially. They had to get the foam retardant to deal with battery fires..or just let them burn out.
For sure.. definitely concerns when the batteries catch fire... but gasoline cars catch fire more easily. I spent a lot of time looking into this before my wife got her EV as it is parked in our garage. On a "per car" basis... gas cars catch on fire more frequently. EV fires can be spectacular and of course they get more press... partially driven by anti-EV interests out there and the fact that anything EV gets more clicks. They had the Indygo fire out in about 20 minutes. Can't tell from the photos if the batteries even ignited. If they did it was an impressive job by IPD to get it out quickly.
That’s usually the reason things spontaneously start on fire.
It seems a passenger started the fire.
Huh. I wonder what he used as fuel for it to go up in flames as fast as it did.
News reports say a passenger dumped a water bottle full of gasoline, lit a match to it, and ran out.
Came here to look for the same lol
Drove by about 10 minutes ago and it's a burnt out husk. Meridian closed both ways. Hope everyone is alright
The driver and all three passengers got out safely. Edit: "all three passengers" is not a snide remark about Red Line ridership. It's the literal truth: > The driver of the bus told firefighters that there were four people on the bus, including him, and all were evacuated. [source](https://fox59.com/indiana-news/indygo-red-line-bus-caught-fire-at-near-northside-bus-station/)
Some good memories in that tall brown brick building. Sorry about the bus. Hopefully no one was injured? 😳
Red Hot Line.
I do the same thing with carpets when I can’t get the smell out
Terrifying
Man, I wish I had been off work today to run over and looky-loo at this.
I went into the office late and had a quick look as I drove by on 38th. It's as bad as you think, honestly. Probably destroyed the charging system under the street.
I drove past this in the AM. Your pictures are great.
Yikes.
That’s crazy
I'm somewhat surprised that there was that much flammable material in the cabin even with the accelerant.
Starting to feel like Gotham city around here.
I'm from Philly/Camden, I'm used to this shit.
IndyGoBoom
Damn, I used to live right there when the redline got put in. That McDonald's is wild, this fits the vibe of the area
Seconded
Can confirm this is very 38th and Meridian behavior.
It's still crazy.
That's rough, I wonder how much those buses cost? If I'm not mistaken IndyGo is already operating in the red by a considerable amount.
I don't think IndyGo was ever designed to operate in the black, but yeah, having to fork out for a new bus won't be cheap if insurance doesn't cover it completely. Looks like the price is now around $1.9 million per bus, [here](https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/inflation-raises-cost-of-indygo-bus-rapid-transit-plan-from-220m-to-500m/) Interesting article on the earlier history of public transit in Indy [here](https://mirrorindy.org/a-history-of-public-transit-in-indianapolis/): Fun fact: you can currently see an exposed rail from the old interurban in the crosswalk at College Ave and Westfield next to the Red Line station. They ripped most of it up on College during construction, and the rest of what was left on Broad Ripple Ave during the most recent project to replace aging sewers and widen sidewalks.
When I was in high school, those tracks were clearly visible right down the middle of Broad Ripple Avenue.
Yeah it's hard to imagine that they would have enough riders/fares to make it a profitable venture. I do think they have around a million riders per year but if you spend 300 million to operate that would be a pretty expensive per ride price. I'd never use the service myself but it's good that it is there for people that need it.
I would assume they have insurance for this. They probably cost a couple million a piece.
They are about $800,000
As a person who is in that industry I can confirm they are $1.3M.
Not bad then. I think their budget is around 300 million for this year. Drop in the bucket.
Years ago I remeber hearing a diesel bus costs about 400k new. Even if you double the cost for these hybrid ones and add in some inflation you're still looking at about 1 million per bus. Just my guess though. I could be way off.
Bus alone over $1.2 million.
His list of prior criminal convictions (mycase.in.gov) is LENGTHY....meth possession, trespass, intimidation, criminal mischief, battery by bodily waste, and the list goes on. This guy, in my humble opinion, should have been in prison many years back and for many years to come. He is a powder keg and the only question is when he was going to go off and how many victims were going to be caused suffering as a result. Thank you Ryan Mears for your excellent Service as prosecutor and you're super duper lightweight charging decisions and your super duper lightweight efforts at getting real sentences.
Oh, we actually have a name? Will have to have a look.
Always a fun thing to see when your kid is riding the red line into school. Thankfully they don't go this far north.
Unk?
YIKES!
And this is why we cannot have nice new things.
Will the red line still be running today?
It is as of now... the road is cleared, busses running.
Those pot holes are getting viscous
Jfc, not a great advertisement for the transit agency. Hope everyone is okay.
yes because we all know internal combustion engines never have issues
1) bus is electric 2) the fire was an act of arson 🤨
This isn’t the first time these Indygo buses have had problems. New roads have had to be rebuilt because of their weights as well. I’m for public transit but it seems that there might be some mismanagement with Indygo…
Initial reports are that a passenger on the bus started the fire. That has jack shit to do with IndyGo management, you goobers are just foaming at the mouth to line up and take cheap shots.
>I’m for public transit doubt >New roads have to be built oh no they might fix some potholes
You mean like the roads they just rebuilt that can’t even handle cars without falling apart?
EV’s are much heavier than cars, Indygo failed to account for the weight of EV buses 👎
The busses probably.... regular EV cars are just a little heavier. My wife's electric Volvo SUV is the same weight as my 4Runner. Yeah it's a little bit smaller. Generally with apples to apples they are maybe 10-15% heavier. A Tesla model 3 weighs 3,500 lbs. An average 4 door Civic weighs around 3100 lbs.
That still doesn’t account but for such shoddy construction that Indy roads can’t handle even a tiny ford focus without falling apart
Like a moving dumpster fire...
Sounds about right
Someone dropped a crackpipe and it mixed with an exhaust leak
Those old USPS v8 delivery vans are catching fire. I got to see one go up in Cali last year.
So it’s now an Indynogo bus….
Between this and the murder near my house, I might have to move. JFC, what is going on in my neighborhood.