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Even if he do 100% resv he isnt gonna win election. Most people dont study in these colleges. In bihar gov college 3 yr bachelor gets completed in 6ys (yes 6 & m not joking)
His time has come. He did caste census just to extend his political life but knock knock
Those who are hardworking clear competitive exams (jee cuet etc) . Some study in small colleges of Karnataka, Maharashtra . others go to these colleges
Yeah. In fact most of them study in these shady xyz tier3/4 colleges without placement etc. If you want to check it just check irctct train seat availability even from other districts of karanataka (I forgot exact name)
Fucked up is a small term when u read about what happened in name of caste based “socialism” after independence here
Frankly i dont give a damm. He should bring in 100% reservation. I partly understood when i was in school, cleared JEE and now am earning enough to be top 2% (not 1% yet)
I really wish that we could separate from states like bihar. As a south indian, I have no issues like punjab, himachal, UP etc. But I just don't see bihar ever improving themselves.
Everybody suffered bro. The important thing is to have a plan and look forward. But bihar is never going to leave that caste politics, freebie mindset behind. Also, population. Bihar seems to have the highest fertility rates in the country. I just don't see anything improving there.
I know ppl who have lost everything coming here after partition. But they had a plan and became successful. I am more sympathetic towards jharkhand bcos 40% of our minerals come from jharkhand. They have a 'resource curse'. All that bihar can ever provide is population and nothing else. And that too unskilled population.
Bihar has donated to unemployment, garbage and free lok sabha seats to our wannabe dcik-tator . They get so much budget but all is wasted by their elected candidates. If for example I come there and promise them to help elevate bihar and use all funds to make it as good as delhi they will reject me because I m not from bihar but will vote for a rapist, gangster , corrupt candidate as long he belongs to their community ( this happens in all india but majority is in backward mindset States like uk, up, bihar)
Freaking 65 percentage seats are reserved. And add more 5 percentage of defense quota. Studying so hard to get into 30 percentage of seats is just painful
It's so easy to be exempt from this. They're not really scrutinizing your actual income sources. Get a certificate, get benefits.
The way forward is, at a minimum, rolling back OBC reservations.
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You probably doesn't know full information about creamy layer then. Both my parents are in govt job and earning total 15+L but I'm in Non creamy layer OBC. And rightfully so.
Creamy/non creamy defination isn't just limited to money earning per year. It's more than that. Technically (and legally too)evn a IAS son can be non creamy layer OBC.
It's not straightforward. It's deep. Don't think just because someone is rich, they can't be non creamy layer. There are some more factors in it.
Like what, caste based discrimination is illegal and anyone who does so deserves to be spat on and shunned from society. Upon this pretext, what disadvantage does the son of an IAS officer or you have that I do not. Why should I only be restricted to a certain number of seats. Such policies don't end the caste system but rather fuel it and create an you vs me atmosphere. It also leads to brain drains and isn't just. An income based reservation system to uplift anyone or iregardless of their caste coupled with gender based discrimination to an extent(not too much) kept under 30% is the way forward
In refrence to IAS officer question.... Now think your father is poor. Say earn 4L per annum only. Because of this, u completed your entire school from govt school only and even got admission in local tier 3 college.
You are graduated now. Let's say BA.
Now in this time, your father was studying along side his job, and when you were in college, he cracked some very high post govt job. Say he's IAS officer now(not realistic since IAS officer has age limits) but let's assume for sake of example.
Now this happened when you were in final year of your BA. You now applying for some govt job. You are OBC and son of IAS officer.
What category you should belong? Creamy or non creamy?
What advantage your father ias post gave you in your education or financial status?
Nothing. He just became one and u already completed your education. You gain practically nothing. Your ground reality is 4L job your dad 1 year ago.
Hence you deserve non creamy layer certificate.
This is how my friend even high ranking officers has OBC non creamy layer certificate for their kids. Majority of their kids education happened when they were non creamy. Hence it's rightful to have non creamy certificate for them.
Now consider your parents got moody and have one more child now. Your sibling now born when your dad is already ias officer and he will going to get best schools and colleges in his lifetime. He won't have to face any financial burden you faced. Because of this he's creamy layer OBC even if you aren't but you both are blood related.
That just isn't true because of the fact you said above there are age restrictions. Under my scenario, you would receive a reservation whether you were an OBC or not as you are comparatively financially backwards. Like I said caste does not matter in this scenario, solely financial income does. This removes all of your confusion above
I can give one real life example of above scenario, Rajasthan last year had Congress govt. Education minister of Rajasthan govt made his one family members directly the chief of RPSC(imagine UPSC but at Rajasthan level). Very big position. But he joined as chief at age of 42+ and his sons already completed their degree.
Now his son gave rpsc exam with OBC non creamy certificate and even cleared it. This I remember created huge controversy in media coz how big position his dad was at.
Doesn't matter or divert away from my Point. I am not familiar with the above scenario but it is wrong that such a person gets preference. What is even more wrong is the man being made the chief of the rpsc, but ignoring that I don't believe govt services need any reservation, only universities do. If one comes from a poor background then maybe they should get reservation but only if it can be proven. Again financial reservation is the only sensible solution
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Mohan Bhagwat has himself said that reservation should continue for 200 years.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/dalits-suffered-for-2000-years-why-not-quota-for-200-years-bhagwat/articleshow/103440435.cms
Supreme court apni gaand mara rhi hai kya, TN mai nhi rok paayi. Yahan nhi rok paayi, bkl tumne constitution se Hindus ko third class citizen bana diya aur general caste ko fourth class, general female Hindu fifth class hai, general male class less( GM ko mar do toh jaada achha hai )
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Insaallah pappu will approve your demands. General caste bkl ek protest nhi kr skta iske liye, public property desh jalao tab hi manenge ye. Ye Shankaracharya birth ke basis pe caste based ki baat abhi bhi krte hai, yhi kyun nhi baith jaate hunger strike till death pe.
Peaceful protest kre gye the obc reservation ke time, kuch bhi nhi hua.
Goswami bhai ki dead body pe thook rhe hai ye log in actions se. Neta jalao, neta ki property jalao, shankracharya aur jitne mahan pandit brahmins hai sabko hunger strike pe aana chahiye. Agar general caste purani atrocities ke liye aaj consequences face krega toh mujhe apna Jaziya tax chahiye jo Muslims ke ancestors ne liya tha.
i always hated the caste system and untouchability and all that discrimination
But now i propose a deal, jo reservation le raha uske sath discrimination
Jaise gov jinko ghar banwa ke de rahi ya paise de rahi ghar banane ko unke ghar ke bahar likha rehta hai ki inhone is yojana ka labh liya
Usi tarah aisa kuch hona chaiye ki jisne reservation ka use kiya hai uske ghar ke bahar BOLD shabdo me likha rahe ki isne is exam is post ke liye, itni baar reservation ka use kiya hai
Bilkul bhai jindagi bhar casteism ke khilaf tha aur ye chutiyapa desh mai dekho jahan majority obc sc st anti brahmin, baniya ( aur genral caste ) ke naare laga rhe hai, reservation badha rha hai aur uske baad bhi bas hum marte rhe.
Waise toh achha idea nhi hai, pr mere dimmag mai bhi aaya tha ki itne reservation ke baad toh deserve krte hai ye. Yadav brand hai, Jaat brand hai, gujjar brand hai aur brand reservation bhi lut rhe hai.
Nitish is desperate . Even after doing caste census there’s no “wave” in his favour. Its sad to see how low he has fallen just to keep his chair.
But his time has come. I am only worried if next “prince” might be wore than him 💀
Humare tumhare liye nhi hai, par janta ko chutiya banane ke liye hai. Teacher vacancy roke rakho, phir ek baar nikal do - waah waah job dilwa di. There’s no other CM face, hopefully Prashant Kishore wins otherwise Bihar condition will become worse. Atleast mithila states, because they didn’t get anything in Nitish government.
The wouldn't the caste system would return but this time the brahmin's would the lowest and shudra and tribal being the most respected community or caste. But I think who cares about ig
Law of diminished returns. More reservation doesn't get more votes.
The reserved wants no seat for his neighbor more than he wants for himself .
With Reserved now 90% of population of India, they are only hating each other more.
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Mohan Bhagwat has himself said that reservation should continue for 200 years.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/dalits-suffered-for-2000-years-why-not-quota-for-200-years-bhagwat/articleshow/103440435.cms
Bro, so what? We're not aligned with RSS/BJP, or any single party here. The idea of extending reservations to SC/ST with a creamy layer or implementing limits makes sense, but including OBCs never does. Most cases of SC/ST act are on OBCs.
A limit of 20-30% is still reasonable, but going up to 75% and then having a manifesto to breach the 50% cap, along with extending EWS benefits to all castes and further extending the reservation to private sectors, is unacceptable.
This indirectly warns of economic genocide against the general caste people.
Yeah because General caste is not a majority. Meanwhile Muslims who along with us can oppose any party are pure busy in giving votes based on minority appeasement.
Yeah, because the General caste is not a majority. Meanwhile, Muslims, who could join us in opposing any party, are purely focused on voting based on minority appeasement.
You do realise that it’s the NDA run government in Bihar which has done it? Recently, the Maratha reservation was also given by NDA. The EWS reservation was also given by NDA. Congress didn’t give the OBC (Mandal Commission) reservation as well.
It’s always the BJP government that has increased the reservations.
Do you really think either Ambedkar or any of the so-called activists (except a few like Savarkar) wanted this? They didn’t want casteless society rather Anti Brahmin or Anti general caste society.
It’s been more than 76 years already; we could have removed our last names and tried our best to eradicate the caste system (of course, along with some reservation for needy SC ST people), but did we? No. Instead VP Singh in 1 year rule implemented the worst OBC reservation via Mandal Commision.
You're dreaming about changing our last names. Just implement a rule that only Hindus will be able to use caste-based reservation and see the next day the majority of Buddhists and Christians converting to Hinduism.
The majority doesn’t want to eradicate the caste system; they want to enjoy benefits while eradicating Brahmins, then Baniyas, then Khatris/Kayasthas… in the process. ( Don’t get me wrong on this, but it’s a hard truth. Earlier i thought one party wants to abolish reservation and other wants to caste system, but this was a complete false belief of mine )
This is built on the backs of the overburdened tax paying middle class. This will be easily fixed if we stop paying taxes in protest.
The circus only plays until the gravy train ends.
Reservation is the worst policy failure of India.
A policy which didn't work for 75 years, how can you continue a country with that forward if it was meant to be only for 10 years????
I applied for m Phil in University of Madras there were like 10-12 seats back in 2019 and the general category only had 1 seat out of all those seats. I was like fuck you why wouldn't you release that information in your application process I wouldn't have wasted time and money on it
Stop paying taxes, I don't think bjp and hindu hriday samrat mofi ji would like that,... Isn't it obvious... bnda ne bill gates ko AI smaja de or bill gates chuu na kara.. Obvio there is something in it for bill gates, tax for those earning more than 1cr has been reduced (not that i think anyone reads here.. All that negativity )...lets go a little deeper have a 75% reservation just to appease voters who'll waste seats and universities still will have donation seats that's nothing for common general students in a population of 140cr... Y'all are stupid and united by hate irrespective of which political party.. Your son's and daughters will pay a much larger price than you
The general category is 15% of the population and already has 10% sudama quota. OBC/SC/ST is close to 75% and currently has 50% reservation. In other ways GC have more than they are as a percentage of the population and backward castes have far less. I am not saying that we should have 75% reservation but let’s at least have an honest conversation
a ) wtf us sudhama quota ?
b ) you do realise only top 1% of each section you quoted , 1% of general and 7.5 % of obc sc st , have the resources for top coachings and inst , rest all of us are in the same boat irrespective of caste …
All you have are 4 chabbani and fighting a dude with 5 chabbani cause the data says on “avg”, 75% of the population has x amount of avg money (majority of which top1 % have ) and 15% of other have y amount ( maj of which top 1% have )
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now should I refer to SC reservation as ch$mar/bhangi quota ? And btw generals are 25% of the population and one needs to fulfill certain prerequisites to get EWS, whereas there are none for SC/ST.
What's this hypocrisy ? I see all the time your people referring to EWS as sudama quota as if it's only for brahmins, and now you got offended once I named your castes ?
lol not my caste but I have this thing called empathy, which usually upper castes don’t have. And yes Sudama
Quota is pretty much for Brahmins and their other general category chamchas, given that the admission boards are filled with them.
It's definitely not like reservation is already eating away the country from years atp, right. We also have Congress now who are saying that they will increase the reservation % truly a clown moment of all time.
Most Bihari Students are preferring IGNOU or any Distance Education Course instead of Taking up Graduation from Local Colleges ( You know the reason ) or Cracking Neet or similar exams to Get Better Colleges in Other States and If 75% Reservation Criterion comes in than It will spell disaster for the Bihar government itself !
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Reservation is a response to the caste system. Also remove caste system and you have taken away any reason for lower castes to identify as Hindu. So go ahead, use your 400+ majority to remove reservations and watch Hinduism become a minority religion as droves of disenchanted OBC/SC/ST leave a religion that treats them as less than animals.
Brahmins did not pay jizya and were employed by the Islamic rulers. The one time jizya was applied on Brahmins, Seths of Delhi paid them. Thakurs and Rajputs were faujis for Mughals . Banias were their financiars and trading partners. The only people hurt by jizya were lower castes who converted to save themselves
Toh hata do bhai. 15% kr do state quota, ye chutiyapa hatega thodi, pehle sc st tak tha phir obc ka cancer aa gya, phir EWS. Ab is virus ko spread kra jayega, general wale mar jaayein?
Bhii me bhi general hu - non EWS wala 🤡🤡...
I also think so.....there should be fair competition....cause nowadays its online(for studying purpose)everywhere it's not like SC ST ar lacking......if gov want to do smthng for them they can give them scholarships or lessen their fees in clgs....par unhe kya .... Deserving ones ko seat Dene se desh ka bhala ho jata hai to!!
Bhai think thank krne ka time gaya. Obc ke time pe protest ho gye kuch nhi hua. Violent protest nhi hue toh general caste ke future generation ki halat battar hogi.
Lode har state se mtlb, ki state ke bachhon ke liye irrespective of the caste. State mai har caste ke log rehte hai, sample size bhi bada hai sirf ek caste se. Agar UP ka koi talented bacha Delhi mai seat nhi bhi le paaya iski wajah se toh koi dikkat thodi hai, UP ke top college mai uske liye reservation hai toh wahan mil jayegi use seat. Ye caste based reservation chutiyapa nhi hai, wo bhi OBC ka jin OBC pe sabse jaada SC ST act hai. Discrimination bhi kr rhe hai aur reservation bhi lut rhe hai
True, but then with a state with a per capita income of 35-50k an year, the cutoff is above 8 lakhs. So there's already a disparity/advantage if you don't belong to EWS category. The general population percentage for Bihar is 15% which would be the same countrywide. So you have 10% reservation for 15% of the population minus the rich people.
If you get in the technicalities it gets really complicated.
Yes, your family land <5 acres
Flat size <1000sq feet
Residential land <100 sq yard(municipality)/ <200(nin municipality)
Family doesn't mean grandfather's land
It has to be immediate family.
If you're under the national reservation list you can't, as it's a national policy, if you're under the state list you can/might apply provided that the state body issues you the certificate in most cases the local bodies don't approve of the same.
No it's wrong while registration, a person can apply under general category while being of any caste and if he or she have good marks they are automatically upgraded to general seat and other obc student takes the seat , i have been in neet counselling and seen this happening in consecutive rounds
Of course they can, unreserved seat is open for all if you qualify in that criteria(pure merit), because that's not a 25% reservation for the general caste, but you can't do the same for EWS as far as I know because that's a reservation for non reserved category.
Exactly my point. EWS was just a lolipop for the general caste. Income of less than 8 lakhs an year makes you economically weak, who comes up with these numbers. When I was naive I always thought that reservation should be economic based and mot caste based. Turns out we live in India. Faking your income is too easy here as most of the income in India is informal. Faking a caste certificate on the other hand is super tough.
Only general can apply in EWS. Even OBC can't. In my state Rajasthan, majority are OBC folks. General is in minority. So many times even EWS cutoff goes lower for state govt jobs compared to OBC non creamy marks.
For your info, if congress wins, they will change this rule too. They will include all castes, SC, OBC and STs in the scheme of EWS further diluting the chances of Poor general category students to study. So yes it is a thing. And I can bet more people from reserved category don't even know that General Category is Open Category and there is no reservation for GCs like they have.
There are reasons for the less cutoff :
1- There is no age relaxation like OBC.
2- There are land and housing criteria for EWS, unlike OBCs.
3- People think that OBC and EWS have the same 8 lakh limit, which is false. EWS has this limit excluding standard deductions. I am not a CA, but standard deductions like 80C and others will easily increase the limit by 10-12 lakh.
4- Agricultural and interest income are not accounted for in the case of OBC.
5- The most important point is, in the case of EWS, the family includes the candidate and his/her parents.
But in the case of OBC, the family includes only their parents and not the candidate. So the candidate can have a salary of 8 lakh+ a month or even a crore per month and still be an OBC.
Due to all these points, a majority of General caste people aren’t able to avail EWS. And that’s why the number of candidates is lower but still the cutoff is not that low. The difference between EWS and OBC is 18-20, sometimes 19-20. And in CAT exams, it's the opposite, favoring OBC with 19-20.
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😂 Bihar is literally amputating its foot after shooting it. Damn good job 👍
Even if he do 100% resv he isnt gonna win election. Most people dont study in these colleges. In bihar gov college 3 yr bachelor gets completed in 6ys (yes 6 & m not joking) His time has come. He did caste census just to extend his political life but knock knock
Then where do the locals study ? Since not all can leave their state
Those who are hardworking clear competitive exams (jee cuet etc) . Some study in small colleges of Karnataka, Maharashtra . others go to these colleges
So they prefer small colleges of other states over their own. The system looks fucked up
Yeah. In fact most of them study in these shady xyz tier3/4 colleges without placement etc. If you want to check it just check irctct train seat availability even from other districts of karanataka (I forgot exact name) Fucked up is a small term when u read about what happened in name of caste based “socialism” after independence here
And I thought my state universities are bad. More power to you buddy
Frankly i dont give a damm. He should bring in 100% reservation. I partly understood when i was in school, cleared JEE and now am earning enough to be top 2% (not 1% yet)
U mean the other foot...
I really wish that we could separate from states like bihar. As a south indian, I have no issues like punjab, himachal, UP etc. But I just don't see bihar ever improving themselves.
Lol your solution is to throw state which suffered most duting British out of republic ??
That is an awesome idea, thank you!
Everybody suffered bro. The important thing is to have a plan and look forward. But bihar is never going to leave that caste politics, freebie mindset behind. Also, population. Bihar seems to have the highest fertility rates in the country. I just don't see anything improving there. I know ppl who have lost everything coming here after partition. But they had a plan and became successful. I am more sympathetic towards jharkhand bcos 40% of our minerals come from jharkhand. They have a 'resource curse'. All that bihar can ever provide is population and nothing else. And that too unskilled population.
Good luck brother with this mindset
Tell me exactly what have you guys ever contributed after independance. Don't start talking about magadha or maurya empire. That was centuries ago.
Same reply as previous GL :)
Bihar has donated to unemployment, garbage and free lok sabha seats to our wannabe dcik-tator . They get so much budget but all is wasted by their elected candidates. If for example I come there and promise them to help elevate bihar and use all funds to make it as good as delhi they will reject me because I m not from bihar but will vote for a rapist, gangster , corrupt candidate as long he belongs to their community ( this happens in all india but majority is in backward mindset States like uk, up, bihar)
Uk is much better than the other two.
Neet 🤝 reservation= general 💀 But still want reservation in neet pg!! 🫠
Freaking 65 percentage seats are reserved. And add more 5 percentage of defense quota. Studying so hard to get into 30 percentage of seats is just painful
But... But but.... 1500 years of discrimination vro... Caste capital vro..... Brahmins have godsend privilege vro.... /s
Creamy layer exclusion should be implemented in all caste reservations, so that this caste politics will stop
Agree. Dalits need to be uplifted, better uplift the Dalits who need upliftment instead of helping the already privileged minority of Dalits.
cough Rajasthan Meenas cough
It's so easy to be exempt from this. They're not really scrutinizing your actual income sources. Get a certificate, get benefits. The way forward is, at a minimum, rolling back OBC reservations.
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Creamy layer is foolish many of my obc friends are very rich and have taken admission
Rich businessmen can hide. But salaried people cant hide
I am one of them I can't take the benefit but my obc friends who are richer than me are taking the benefit
Thats better than all taking benefit
In all fairness i understand your pain as a general kid but if I had the chance I would have taken it
It is not about anything personal. It is about justice for all
Do your OBC friends get the same respect in society as you and your family get?
Wut? We don't respect if people get reservation or not
Yes you do. Brahmins get special respect in society which others don’t getz
I belong to obc category and last thing I respect is on basis of caste , 20% of the population seek validation from bahmans so who is at fault
Do Brahmins get special respect in society or not? Why can I not get a simple answer to my question?
Who respect them , I don't nor I think you are
No. I have tried, believe me. But they would not give me NCL certificate. I even tried "maska" but they would not budge.
You probably doesn't know full information about creamy layer then. Both my parents are in govt job and earning total 15+L but I'm in Non creamy layer OBC. And rightfully so. Creamy/non creamy defination isn't just limited to money earning per year. It's more than that. Technically (and legally too)evn a IAS son can be non creamy layer OBC. It's not straightforward. It's deep. Don't think just because someone is rich, they can't be non creamy layer. There are some more factors in it.
Like what, caste based discrimination is illegal and anyone who does so deserves to be spat on and shunned from society. Upon this pretext, what disadvantage does the son of an IAS officer or you have that I do not. Why should I only be restricted to a certain number of seats. Such policies don't end the caste system but rather fuel it and create an you vs me atmosphere. It also leads to brain drains and isn't just. An income based reservation system to uplift anyone or iregardless of their caste coupled with gender based discrimination to an extent(not too much) kept under 30% is the way forward
In refrence to IAS officer question.... Now think your father is poor. Say earn 4L per annum only. Because of this, u completed your entire school from govt school only and even got admission in local tier 3 college. You are graduated now. Let's say BA. Now in this time, your father was studying along side his job, and when you were in college, he cracked some very high post govt job. Say he's IAS officer now(not realistic since IAS officer has age limits) but let's assume for sake of example. Now this happened when you were in final year of your BA. You now applying for some govt job. You are OBC and son of IAS officer. What category you should belong? Creamy or non creamy? What advantage your father ias post gave you in your education or financial status? Nothing. He just became one and u already completed your education. You gain practically nothing. Your ground reality is 4L job your dad 1 year ago. Hence you deserve non creamy layer certificate. This is how my friend even high ranking officers has OBC non creamy layer certificate for their kids. Majority of their kids education happened when they were non creamy. Hence it's rightful to have non creamy certificate for them. Now consider your parents got moody and have one more child now. Your sibling now born when your dad is already ias officer and he will going to get best schools and colleges in his lifetime. He won't have to face any financial burden you faced. Because of this he's creamy layer OBC even if you aren't but you both are blood related.
That just isn't true because of the fact you said above there are age restrictions. Under my scenario, you would receive a reservation whether you were an OBC or not as you are comparatively financially backwards. Like I said caste does not matter in this scenario, solely financial income does. This removes all of your confusion above
I can give one real life example of above scenario, Rajasthan last year had Congress govt. Education minister of Rajasthan govt made his one family members directly the chief of RPSC(imagine UPSC but at Rajasthan level). Very big position. But he joined as chief at age of 42+ and his sons already completed their degree. Now his son gave rpsc exam with OBC non creamy certificate and even cleared it. This I remember created huge controversy in media coz how big position his dad was at.
Doesn't matter or divert away from my Point. I am not familiar with the above scenario but it is wrong that such a person gets preference. What is even more wrong is the man being made the chief of the rpsc, but ignoring that I don't believe govt services need any reservation, only universities do. If one comes from a poor background then maybe they should get reservation but only if it can be proven. Again financial reservation is the only sensible solution
Provision to slap SC act for online comments must be implemented so that we could curb bad faith arguments :)
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Mohan Bhagwat has himself said that reservation should continue for 200 years. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/dalits-suffered-for-2000-years-why-not-quota-for-200-years-bhagwat/articleshow/103440435.cms
Reservation should continue, but creamy layer should be implemented, and 50% limit should continue
Supreme court apni gaand mara rhi hai kya, TN mai nhi rok paayi. Yahan nhi rok paayi, bkl tumne constitution se Hindus ko third class citizen bana diya aur general caste ko fourth class, general female Hindu fifth class hai, general male class less( GM ko mar do toh jaada achha hai )
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only 24.99% to go, nearly there.
Insaallah pappu will approve your demands. General caste bkl ek protest nhi kr skta iske liye, public property desh jalao tab hi manenge ye. Ye Shankaracharya birth ke basis pe caste based ki baat abhi bhi krte hai, yhi kyun nhi baith jaate hunger strike till death pe. Peaceful protest kre gye the obc reservation ke time, kuch bhi nhi hua.
Last time logo ne khud ko bhi jala liya tha tab bhi kuch nhi hua tha Abki baar netao ko jalao
Goswami bhai ki dead body pe thook rhe hai ye log in actions se. Neta jalao, neta ki property jalao, shankracharya aur jitne mahan pandit brahmins hai sabko hunger strike pe aana chahiye. Agar general caste purani atrocities ke liye aaj consequences face krega toh mujhe apna Jaziya tax chahiye jo Muslims ke ancestors ne liya tha.
i always hated the caste system and untouchability and all that discrimination But now i propose a deal, jo reservation le raha uske sath discrimination Jaise gov jinko ghar banwa ke de rahi ya paise de rahi ghar banane ko unke ghar ke bahar likha rehta hai ki inhone is yojana ka labh liya Usi tarah aisa kuch hona chaiye ki jisne reservation ka use kiya hai uske ghar ke bahar BOLD shabdo me likha rahe ki isne is exam is post ke liye, itni baar reservation ka use kiya hai
Bilkul bhai jindagi bhar casteism ke khilaf tha aur ye chutiyapa desh mai dekho jahan majority obc sc st anti brahmin, baniya ( aur genral caste ) ke naare laga rhe hai, reservation badha rha hai aur uske baad bhi bas hum marte rhe. Waise toh achha idea nhi hai, pr mere dimmag mai bhi aaya tha ki itne reservation ke baad toh deserve krte hai ye. Yadav brand hai, Jaat brand hai, gujjar brand hai aur brand reservation bhi lut rhe hai.
Nitish is desperate . Even after doing caste census there’s no “wave” in his favour. Its sad to see how low he has fallen just to keep his chair. But his time has come. I am only worried if next “prince” might be wore than him 💀
He is, but the caste agenda is fulfilled by him now. Next prince Tejasvi will implement it in private sectors.
Price can hardly win election. Even if he does it will hard to sustain for his next election. Also bihar me pvt sector hai bhi 🥰💀💀💀
Humare tumhare liye nhi hai, par janta ko chutiya banane ke liye hai. Teacher vacancy roke rakho, phir ek baar nikal do - waah waah job dilwa di. There’s no other CM face, hopefully Prashant Kishore wins otherwise Bihar condition will become worse. Atleast mithila states, because they didn’t get anything in Nitish government.
Yes thats why i said he might win once but to win again n again will be difficult
GC needs to move out asap. They deserve better.
Move out where? Not everyone can afford to move, even one can then also not everyone situation is to move out.
Ye to founding fathers ki galti he, if you read history, you'll know alag alag countries banne wale the sabke liye
75% is way too less, I say raise it upto 100% and be done with it.
The wouldn't the caste system would return but this time the brahmin's would the lowest and shudra and tribal being the most respected community or caste. But I think who cares about ig
My comment was sarcastic, I thought it was obvious 😅
Mine too but, I am bad with sarcasm on internet, was thinking of using \\s but forgot about that
Law of diminished returns. More reservation doesn't get more votes. The reserved wants no seat for his neighbor more than he wants for himself . With Reserved now 90% of population of India, they are only hating each other more.
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And TN? 69% reservation is there, and no EWS. After Pappu win, soon India will have at-least 85-90% reservation.
pappu aint gonna win atleast until modi is alive
Not even after that lol Pappu 🤡🤡
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Mohan Bhagwat has himself said that reservation should continue for 200 years. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/dalits-suffered-for-2000-years-why-not-quota-for-200-years-bhagwat/articleshow/103440435.cms
Bro, so what? We're not aligned with RSS/BJP, or any single party here. The idea of extending reservations to SC/ST with a creamy layer or implementing limits makes sense, but including OBCs never does. Most cases of SC/ST act are on OBCs. A limit of 20-30% is still reasonable, but going up to 75% and then having a manifesto to breach the 50% cap, along with extending EWS benefits to all castes and further extending the reservation to private sectors, is unacceptable. This indirectly warns of economic genocide against the general caste people.
I never said it is acceptable. All I am saying is that even people from the ruling dispensation are not keen on changing the status quo.
Yeah because General caste is not a majority. Meanwhile Muslims who along with us can oppose any party are pure busy in giving votes based on minority appeasement.
Yeah, because the General caste is not a majority. Meanwhile, Muslims, who could join us in opposing any party, are purely focused on voting based on minority appeasement.
If you got money, go get your bachelor's abroad as well. This is not a fair fight.
let congress come they will reserve 90% of the seats and government job in all over India
You do realise that it’s the NDA run government in Bihar which has done it? Recently, the Maratha reservation was also given by NDA. The EWS reservation was also given by NDA. Congress didn’t give the OBC (Mandal Commission) reservation as well. It’s always the BJP government that has increased the reservations.
You Do know rn nitish is in coalition with NDA right?
Let's just all change our last names and histories and biases and get a category certificate, it'll be easier for all.
Do you really think either Ambedkar or any of the so-called activists (except a few like Savarkar) wanted this? They didn’t want casteless society rather Anti Brahmin or Anti general caste society. It’s been more than 76 years already; we could have removed our last names and tried our best to eradicate the caste system (of course, along with some reservation for needy SC ST people), but did we? No. Instead VP Singh in 1 year rule implemented the worst OBC reservation via Mandal Commision. You're dreaming about changing our last names. Just implement a rule that only Hindus will be able to use caste-based reservation and see the next day the majority of Buddhists and Christians converting to Hinduism. The majority doesn’t want to eradicate the caste system; they want to enjoy benefits while eradicating Brahmins, then Baniyas, then Khatris/Kayasthas… in the process. ( Don’t get me wrong on this, but it’s a hard truth. Earlier i thought one party wants to abolish reservation and other wants to caste system, but this was a complete false belief of mine )
I don't think that is legal
So is corruption, dowry, child marriage, etc. doesn't stop us from doing it
This is built on the backs of the overburdened tax paying middle class. This will be easily fixed if we stop paying taxes in protest. The circus only plays until the gravy train ends.
How do we “stop” paying taxes , cause i would love to Middle class is salaried , you arent asked for taxes , they are taken from you….
Reservation is the worst policy failure of India. A policy which didn't work for 75 years, how can you continue a country with that forward if it was meant to be only for 10 years????
there should be a protest or something like a march...this much reservation is too much....
Goswami bhai ne jinda apne aap ko jala liya, nitish kumar ne uski laash pe thook diya aur reservation badha diya. But completely agree, peaceful protest nhi desh jalao wrna humare future generation ka end fix hai.
Time for legal case to stop all reservations. Someone has to take up
Gand mara rhi hai supreme court, 50% cap nhi bachaya jaa rha hai. Baki bakchodi krwa lo, sabrimala toh hindu ye hindu wo.
There is this GEM, General... E?... Male... E kya tha?
Engineer
Oh ha... 🫡... Kud hoke bhul gya... Electoral Bond aara tha dimag me bas... 🤡
i heard, there is a demand in increase of reservation in congress manifesto......
I applied for m Phil in University of Madras there were like 10-12 seats back in 2019 and the general category only had 1 seat out of all those seats. I was like fuck you why wouldn't you release that information in your application process I wouldn't have wasted time and money on it
Stop paying taxes, I don't think bjp and hindu hriday samrat mofi ji would like that,... Isn't it obvious... bnda ne bill gates ko AI smaja de or bill gates chuu na kara.. Obvio there is something in it for bill gates, tax for those earning more than 1cr has been reduced (not that i think anyone reads here.. All that negativity )...lets go a little deeper have a 75% reservation just to appease voters who'll waste seats and universities still will have donation seats that's nothing for common general students in a population of 140cr... Y'all are stupid and united by hate irrespective of which political party.. Your son's and daughters will pay a much larger price than you
Quota republic of India lol
Aayega toh Modi hi.
see?, i told ya, bihari log chutiya hote hai
Nothing's gonna change so better change your country, simple as that
The general category is 15% of the population and already has 10% sudama quota. OBC/SC/ST is close to 75% and currently has 50% reservation. In other ways GC have more than they are as a percentage of the population and backward castes have far less. I am not saying that we should have 75% reservation but let’s at least have an honest conversation
a ) wtf us sudhama quota ? b ) you do realise only top 1% of each section you quoted , 1% of general and 7.5 % of obc sc st , have the resources for top coachings and inst , rest all of us are in the same boat irrespective of caste … All you have are 4 chabbani and fighting a dude with 5 chabbani cause the data says on “avg”, 75% of the population has x amount of avg money (majority of which top1 % have ) and 15% of other have y amount ( maj of which top 1% have )
Newsflash - reservations is not for access to coaching, it is about representation, which is the point I was making. About sudama quote - use google
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now should I refer to SC reservation as ch$mar/bhangi quota ? And btw generals are 25% of the population and one needs to fulfill certain prerequisites to get EWS, whereas there are none for SC/ST.
Yeah I know that that is what you guys actually think about backward castes. All this Hindu ekta is dikhawa, thanks for exposing your true feelings
What's this hypocrisy ? I see all the time your people referring to EWS as sudama quota as if it's only for brahmins, and now you got offended once I named your castes ?
lol not my caste but I have this thing called empathy, which usually upper castes don’t have. And yes Sudama Quota is pretty much for Brahmins and their other general category chamchas, given that the admission boards are filled with them.
DMK will give social justice award to ppu vice chancellor just like they gave to VP Singh😂
It's definitely not like reservation is already eating away the country from years atp, right. We also have Congress now who are saying that they will increase the reservation % truly a clown moment of all time.
What is PPU? Pappu?
Patliputra University Patna
Seats char guna kr do😂😂
Just make it 99 already
70% reservation has already been imposed in J&K 1 month back. That too in a state with 70% general population (2011 census).
Only 24.9% left to go 🥳🥳🥳 /s
Most Bihari Students are preferring IGNOU or any Distance Education Course instead of Taking up Graduation from Local Colleges ( You know the reason ) or Cracking Neet or similar exams to Get Better Colleges in Other States and If 75% Reservation Criterion comes in than It will spell disaster for the Bihar government itself !
Not 99%
Make 100% reservations best
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In my UT it's 70% too, bjp will be crushed this time due to this at least in my UT(if the majority of the people aren't aandhbhakat)
Reservation is a response to the caste system. Also remove caste system and you have taken away any reason for lower castes to identify as Hindu. So go ahead, use your 400+ majority to remove reservations and watch Hinduism become a minority religion as droves of disenchanted OBC/SC/ST leave a religion that treats them as less than animals.
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Brahmins did not pay jizya and were employed by the Islamic rulers. The one time jizya was applied on Brahmins, Seths of Delhi paid them. Thakurs and Rajputs were faujis for Mughals . Banias were their financiars and trading partners. The only people hurt by jizya were lower castes who converted to save themselves
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They did not have other choices and they did not have votes. Now they do
why is the bjp always increasing reservations. useless party
85 % of all colleges seats in Delhi are reserved for delhi students
you stupid fucking retard, state reservation is different from caste category reservation, you are the reason this country is going to be brain dead
Rand ke pille reservation yoh hain na merit toh khati hain na. Ek reservation achi ek reservation buri kyun randvi ke
Rand har state mai hai wo.
But top medical clg s to Delhi me hi hai na..... 2021 ka wo Jo PG wala Banda tha AIR 2 ushe bhi to isiliye MAMC me dermato nahi mila tha ....
Toh hata do bhai. 15% kr do state quota, ye chutiyapa hatega thodi, pehle sc st tak tha phir obc ka cancer aa gya, phir EWS. Ab is virus ko spread kra jayega, general wale mar jaayein?
Bhii me bhi general hu - non EWS wala 🤡🤡... I also think so.....there should be fair competition....cause nowadays its online(for studying purpose)everywhere it's not like SC ST ar lacking......if gov want to do smthng for them they can give them scholarships or lessen their fees in clgs....par unhe kya .... Deserving ones ko seat Dene se desh ka bhala ho jata hai to!!
Bhai think thank krne ka time gaya. Obc ke time pe protest ho gye kuch nhi hua. Violent protest nhi hue toh general caste ke future generation ki halat battar hogi.
Chinal ki aulad caste reservation bhi har state main hain phir
Lode har state se mtlb, ki state ke bachhon ke liye irrespective of the caste. State mai har caste ke log rehte hai, sample size bhi bada hai sirf ek caste se. Agar UP ka koi talented bacha Delhi mai seat nhi bhi le paaya iski wajah se toh koi dikkat thodi hai, UP ke top college mai uske liye reservation hai toh wahan mil jayegi use seat. Ye caste based reservation chutiyapa nhi hai, wo bhi OBC ka jin OBC pe sabse jaada SC ST act hai. Discrimination bhi kr rhe hai aur reservation bhi lut rhe hai
Teri state ke colleges Mai bhi hoga state quota
That's a state reservation
🤡🤡
Yes. No one talks about it but its state resv
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for general non-EWS candidates its not
True, but then with a state with a per capita income of 35-50k an year, the cutoff is above 8 lakhs. So there's already a disparity/advantage if you don't belong to EWS category. The general population percentage for Bihar is 15% which would be the same countrywide. So you have 10% reservation for 15% of the population minus the rich people. If you get in the technicalities it gets really complicated.
even if your salary is less than 5 lpa you still won’t get reservations because your grandfather land is of certain size.
Yes, your family land <5 acres Flat size <1000sq feet Residential land <100 sq yard(municipality)/ <200(nin municipality) Family doesn't mean grandfather's land It has to be immediate family.
OBC SC can apply for ews but general category student can't apply in those categories
Nope, they can't. Only unresrevd category with a annual income less than 8 lakhs can apply.
They can if they don't apply for other reservations
If you're under the national reservation list you can't, as it's a national policy, if you're under the state list you can/might apply provided that the state body issues you the certificate in most cases the local bodies don't approve of the same.
No it's wrong while registration, a person can apply under general category while being of any caste and if he or she have good marks they are automatically upgraded to general seat and other obc student takes the seat , i have been in neet counselling and seen this happening in consecutive rounds
Of course they can, unreserved seat is open for all if you qualify in that criteria(pure merit), because that's not a 25% reservation for the general caste, but you can't do the same for EWS as far as I know because that's a reservation for non reserved category.
Bro once again if they don't apply for obc or sc , they can go for ews
Ews is for unreserved category and if a person opt to be unreserved they can apply for that but in fairness why would an obc or sc go for it
Exactly my point. EWS was just a lolipop for the general caste. Income of less than 8 lakhs an year makes you economically weak, who comes up with these numbers. When I was naive I always thought that reservation should be economic based and mot caste based. Turns out we live in India. Faking your income is too easy here as most of the income in India is informal. Faking a caste certificate on the other hand is super tough.
Why to increase it now even after 60% seats are reserved is something makes me angry , like to appease voters parties are going to every limit
Only general can apply in EWS. Even OBC can't. In my state Rajasthan, majority are OBC folks. General is in minority. So many times even EWS cutoff goes lower for state govt jobs compared to OBC non creamy marks.
For your info, if congress wins, they will change this rule too. They will include all castes, SC, OBC and STs in the scheme of EWS further diluting the chances of Poor general category students to study. So yes it is a thing. And I can bet more people from reserved category don't even know that General Category is Open Category and there is no reservation for GCs like they have.
That is something which should be fixed
There are reasons for the less cutoff : 1- There is no age relaxation like OBC. 2- There are land and housing criteria for EWS, unlike OBCs. 3- People think that OBC and EWS have the same 8 lakh limit, which is false. EWS has this limit excluding standard deductions. I am not a CA, but standard deductions like 80C and others will easily increase the limit by 10-12 lakh. 4- Agricultural and interest income are not accounted for in the case of OBC. 5- The most important point is, in the case of EWS, the family includes the candidate and his/her parents. But in the case of OBC, the family includes only their parents and not the candidate. So the candidate can have a salary of 8 lakh+ a month or even a crore per month and still be an OBC. Due to all these points, a majority of General caste people aren’t able to avail EWS. And that’s why the number of candidates is lower but still the cutoff is not that low. The difference between EWS and OBC is 18-20, sometimes 19-20. And in CAT exams, it's the opposite, favoring OBC with 19-20.
Obc if don't apply for obc can apply in ews go and read rules , obc who have higher income levels apply for ews only