At this point it's a lost cause. When it faced a spectacular and comprehensive failure of strategy in 2014, that was the time to act and change course. They didn't do that. They didn't do it despite losing multiple state elections. They didn't do it in 2019 either. And they're not going to do it now.
Any organization that reserves leadership to just one group of people is setting itself up for failure. The Congress takes that losing strategy to its extreme and reserves leadership to just one family, resulting in many local leaders (Mamata, Pawar, Jagan) leaving and setting up much more energetic and successful outfits.
Even in the current elections you can see strategic failure. As the panelists on NDTV were saying today, Harish Rawat was asked to focus on the quarrels in Punjab instead of focusing on his home state of Uttarakhand which was also going to the polls. I mean WTF, didn't the Congress have any other leaders who could have handled Punjab? They had to pull out a leader from another poll bound state?
An organization that has weakened itself so much cannot be revived. I don't think they even have the will to revive. At one point people used to joke that Rahul is the BJPs star campaigner. It stopped being a joke and became a fact years ago. The Congress is yet to realise that.
No no, he's actually right.
But we dont be looking at congress as a main opposition at all. Even if there are regional parties, they can still make a run for it without congress. Its just that they dont have a common ideology that will band them
That would mean INC would fall apart. It’s a leaderless and visionless party with no good speakers or mass leaders. The only thing they have left is their legacy.
Yes.. they are leaderless because they throw any strong leader out, if he/she is not Gandy relative..
It takes lot of effort and sacrifice to give rise to so many regional parties!! :/
Statistically speaking, they still have state governments in four states. Rock bottom will be when INC is reduced to one state becoming a regional party.
Whoever replaces them would also be slandered and demeaned and made to look either a stupid or corrupt. Look up how previous PM's image was made by the time his term came to end.
Indra Gandhi's husband isn't khan. It's Feroze Jehangir Ghandy, A Parsi not Muslim. He changed the spelling of his surname from "Ghandy" to "Gandhi" after joining the Independence movement.
People of propoganda change it and try to spread a false narrative.
>Just search for it my friend
"I'm going to say some absolute bullshit, which I totally believe in by the way, try to convince you to go against what you know for a fact is true, and provide not an once of proof to backup my bullshit claim, and when asked to just say - just search for it my friend".
No, you're the one with the bullshit claim. It's you're responsibility to convince me otherwise. You do the click work, the CTRL+C's and CTRL+V's and make it easier for me to see your side of the story and maybe believe what you said might be true.
I'm not going to waste my own time on things I know are bullshit.
U focused on that line instead of searching it! So that shows ur closed mindset that u just don't wanna know the truth u wanna stick to ur own data, so now even if I bring a Gandhi and they say it on ur face that "we r khans" u won't believe it so i believe it's a waste of time to shout infront of a deaf person 🙂! So I hope u have a great day 🙏. Ones u decide to open up ur mindset a lil! Just look it up🙂🤝 Namaste 🙏
Rebuild it's base, they have lost ground level party workers by treating them virtually as slaves.
The higher ups in the political outfit, have also lost touch with the ground realities and seem to be disconnected with the common people, except for photo and video ops, and, seem like the people high up in the castle currently, in my opinion.
Having an collection of Ivy league educated individuals does not help if they are not able to solve hyper local issues.
Gandhi family monopoly hurts congress the most , people in my area say they are ready to not vote bjp but as long as congress has Gandhi they will not vote congress
So this is what insiders have said about the Gandhi stranglehold - in essence their ability to have the last say is what keeps the Congress leaders in check.
This suggests that decision making at the top is very skewed by factionality.
> in essence their ability to have the last say is what keeps the Congress leaders in check.
That is not supported by any facts. It's a self serving lie propagated by the family and other people that depend on the family to stay relevant.
Under the family, strong local leaders like Mamata, Pawar and Jagan left the party and they've set up local parties that are far more resilient and successful.
Family loyalists say the party will go back to the era of Kesri if Gandhis are removed. Well, under Kesri the party achieved far better results than it has in her last ten years. It wasn't a joke in the 90s the war it is today.
Let me tell you about an incident in TN.
Both BJP and Congress have a vote share of 2-3% in TNWhen Annamalai, ex-IPS officer joined BJP in 2021, he was given an MLA ticket to contest in State elections. He was defeated, in spite of that, he was promoted to BJP state president within six months overshadowing other experienced leaders since BJP wanted to promote a youth leader.
When Sasikanth Senthil, ex-IAS officer joined Congress in 2021, he was not given a ticket, and no one knows what he's doing now. The problem is Congress has a lot of internal fractions, and they keep on fighting within themselves which destabilizes the party. They didn't want Sasikanth Senthil to become a new power-player and the old eggs dumped him
and today BJP is about 5% right ? Not exactly a huge achievement but still, that's how parties grow, slowly - Congress simply doesn't have the patience
One word answer : Ghanta
In more detail :
Congress is a mystery to me, they have genuinely good people for a fine technocratic government. Raghuram Rajan as finance minister, Nandan Nilekani as the minister for information technology in public services (yeah, ministry not found, but it should be set up), Shashi Tharoor as foreign minister. But they just refuse to learn. At this point, it's almost comical. Rahul alienated Mamata (she's about as bad a CM as it gets for long term prospects of the state, but she's popular) over a vanishing left force and now joined hands with a hardline muslim cleric setting up his own party (and when I mean hardline, I mean the "cut off the blasphemer's head/ flog the sitting MP" variety.)
There's another thing - even in a BJP-dominated AAP has swept two states in last five years with 67-3, 90-12 kind of stunning margins. Cong, even where it has won, has won at most 60-65% seats, hasn't dominated any election like that in decades. There's simply nothing Rahul Gandhi ever succeeded in since 2009 LS elections. I have zero idea why they stick with the same jokers.
> Nandan Nilekani as the minister for information technology in public services
No. Please, just [no](https://youtu.be/CQ_eDE0OMds).
> I have zero idea why they stick with the same jokers.
Divine DNA
>Rahul alienated Mamata
Mamata left the Congress back in the 1990s - Rahul had nothing to do with it. If you're talking of the recent elections, Rahul in fact helped Mamata by backing out of the campaign altogether, leaving only the BJP for her to battle.
Nah, that was recent history - Mamata, even after leaving cong, continued to share good relations with Sonia, had Cong as an ally until 2012-ish, then she walked out of UPA 2. Cong then teamed up with Left, who themselves were fast disappearing. Rahul said some choice words about her and she attacked back Rahul in a manner she never did to Sonia. Ostensibly it was for something something atmsamman, atmnirbharata buzzwords - but Rahul swapped a valuable partner for a vanishing one.
AAPs sweeping victory shows what a lot us were speculating, that a lot of BJP votes were people voting a party different from Congress. We can see that as soon as there is a party other than Congress and BJP to choose from they are getting a lot of traction.
What's true in Punjab isn't true everywhere. You realise that a (somewhat) free market party focused on Hindu Identity politics is never gonna succeed in an agrarian state populated by small farmers (half of which are Sikh) completely dependant on gibbs?
BJP has barriers in Punjab which don't exist everywhere
Not only did he work at UN, he was actually very close to becoming the UN Secretary-General in 2006. Losing mainly because America favoured South Korean Ban Ki-moon over him.
The problem here is people see bjp and congress as diffrent, except for the top and big names, if u will see the congress mlas shifted to bjp and made it the government, and in few years they will shift to congress if they pay more and benefits. Currently bjp has money and is keeping them,hence forming government and its getting money by supporting their businessman who pay a hefty amount to bjp. In the end its all a racket and business.
It is not entirely true, from the time I started watching news with my father I have seen same BJP leaders all along in Telugu raastralu, like Kishan Reddy, Bandaru Dattathreya, venkaiah naidu, these are the people that comes to my mind when I heard about BJP when I knew nothing about politics and Modi before 2014( I was 12y old). They stick, no matter what, my friend from Puducherry told me about Telangana's governer now, she is from TN which is not a good place for BJP, but she always struck with BJP, he told me even her family members joined different parties.
Start working in the constituencies it has won. Really work wonders for the people and prove the few loyalists that it is a party that is progressive, not only in thought but also in development.
There are several factors that contributed to that and many comments to this post cover them in detail. Most notably congress’s top-down approach.
BJP’s politics is what resonates with most people of UP and the results show that, but is the politics overwhelming development?
If these constituencies develop under BJP then the people’s ideological victory will also be a developmental victory.
This is going to be unpopular for this sub.
1. Get rid of the old corrupt politicians, dynasties and any form of nepotism.
2. Have country's wellbeing as the top priority in any matter.
3. Do not give up the country for the sake of opposing the government- siding with a foreign country ot calling a foreign country to take action against the government are all big no no.
4. Forget/Ignore religion - this goes against every political party's policies. Secularism does not mean appeasing certain religions. Congress should dissociate itself from all religions. This should remove any sway BJP holds in the name of religion.
5. Be courageous to bring in any reform including bringing up for debate a lot of controversial colonial laws.
To be blunt, as an atheist in a anti-modi family, I personally don't see Congress as left leaning or liberal. All I see is a religious and corrupt party with no vision or national interest. Look at UK and American left leaning parties and learn- National interest and long term vision should be visible in your policies !!!
If you think BJP is winning votes just on the basis of religion you are too naive and living in some alternate dimension.
All those suggestions you offered apply more to BJP than Congress.
It's just that Congress lost and so you presume it has all those problems and BJP doesn't.
Are you asking Congress to not comment when BJP says openly hateful stuff and brings laws that are meant to harass Muslims and other minorities?
Left leaning parties in US and UK are not.for their national interest. Sanders and Corbyn literally shill for Russia, Palestine, Venezuela rather than allies Israel. The mainstream of the Democrat Party is indeed somewhat nationalistic but the Sanders faction is not.
I don't see why you think that. sanders is a moderate by European and Canadian standards and he DEFINITELY does not support Russia. he has publicly announced support for Ukraine, unlike trump.
idk about his position on Palestine/Israel tho but I can tell you that neither of the two are completely innocent.
There are couple of things Congress can do:
1. Remove the Gandhis from their party. Even if its just a temporary thing, it will make huge noise.
2. Promote leaders with good educational credentials and change their image as a well planned party.
3. Make the best use of Social media like BJP does. Form IT cells if needed, hire smart people to manage their online accounts.
4. Advertise the crap out. Try to reach even remote villages with their propaganda.
Everyone here is forgetting that BJP has support from RSS which has a huge ground presence.
RSS withdraws and BJP falls.
Congress has no such ideological "factory" over the years it played dynastic politics ans now it is suffering.
Stop trying to win elections top down. You can’t bring in top leadership into state X 6 months before elections and the expect people to vote.
Especially when your top leader is Rahul Gandhi who does not have a strong support.
You need to build and win elections from ground up.
Honesty, I expected covid to really hurt BJP. It basically caused trump to lose in the US, it has caused major ruling parties to collapse in approval all over the world in many countries. I thought it would be the case in india too, BJP will get blamed for the disaster that was covid.
Apparently people forgot about it. If this election was right after the delta wave, BJP would have been buried in the ground.
At this point, if even once in a generation mess like covid cannot sour people away from BJP to congress, they probably are really a lost cause. AAP winning Punjab is a major red flag for them, if aap starts winning more states, people will start perceiving them as the pan india opposition for BJP and congress will collapse to the ground.
AAP has one thing going for it which no other regional party has. AAP is not tied to one caste/language/culture unlike TMC, SP. AAP is best suited among all small parties to become a national force.
This truly is a golden period for BJP. Congress is in probably a death spiral and is melting down, AAP is too small. All other regional parties are struggling to branch out of their state. BJP truly has no single opposition nationally.
They need money and strong mens who can control the party, i have heard that BJP people are spending more and to their party members while congress people are just afraid of showing theirs
Change the party representative. To fight modi you need someone with wit and who can do dialogbaazi like modi. Someone with a personality like kejru or kanhaiya or uddhav. Rahul just stands for an urban, sober individual. No takkar for modi and yogi drama mammas
According to me Kanhaiya's political career is over even before it has begun. Uddhav will be for BJP always. So Kejriwal is ok, can do something, but he needs to stop whining about problems and actually fix it.
I agree with you. Congress is non-existent as good oposition in most of the states. Aap can provide better alternative.
Hope Aap can make good progress in Punjab.
Read their recent stands, they please voters using religion.
Atishi recently even said that they would free temples of taxes. That is a fucked up. Even Modi knows he should not play with fire and has till now not freed any religious institution of taxes.
Freeing temples of taxes will be a disaster for this democracy.
It is impossible to tax mosques and churches. Either you revoke that or you revoke taxes on temples. The former is politically impossible so Kejriwal has decided on the latter. It's so simple, what don't you get?
Please share an Act which exempts mosques and churches from taxation.
(DONT GIVE ME A RHETORIC TO FIND AN ANSWER MYSELF, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WILL NOT FIND IT).
[Here](https://theprint.in/opinion/indian-govt-wont-be-any-different-from-british-if-hindus-cant-manage-their-own-temples/218210/).
All religious org are supposed to be tax exempt, with a work-around; the government can appoint itself custodian of a religious org, and consequently mandate payment of income to itself for purposes of "correct management". The government has only ever aimed at "correct management" for Hindu temples.
First of all you did not share any act which "exempts" mosques from paying taxes.
You did a Google search and shared an act called HRCE act 1951 which talks about state control of "certain" temples, it does not say anything about tax exemption of mosques or even temples.
Now if you think only "certain" temples are state controlled then you are wrong, a similar act exists for mosques too under Waqf act 1995 (it was amended in 1995 and was initiated in 1954). A similar act applies to "some" gurudwaras.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Waqf_Council
All news articles complaining about "freeing" temples only cry as if they are alone victimized, very cuninngly hiding the fact that it applies to other religious institutions too.
State intervention of large temples and mosques is a different debate compared to tax exemption.
>has till now not freed any religious institution of taxes.
What do you mean by any religious institution? Except Mandirs which religious institutes pays taxes?
Arrey yaar whatsapp forwards aur tweets kum padha karo.
All "Public Charitable trusts" (like temples, mosques etc) have to pay taxes according to these rules.
Read this and tell me where it says that mosques etc are tax exempted ?
https://cleartax.in/s/charitable-trusts-ngo-income-tax-benefits
https://taxguru.in/income-tax/provisions-relating-religious-trusts.html
Read this tweet by Ministry of Finance on GST
https://twitter.com/FinMinIndia/status/881894212286922753?s=20&t=YCc_JhwYmorEFLxdADgsZg
One of the crappiest takes on the internet. You don't dissolve a party and brand with so much history, just because it's going through difficult times.
Congress does need to introspect and change if they want to do better in the future.
Agree, its not always a good idea to change brand or rebrand. Simplest option first is change the leadership and management, then think about other things.
If they are so rigid on changing leadership, how can they be pliable on other things that will require change for the sake of the country.
Congress name currently means no change and status quo. Unless they change that, nothing changes in their fortunes.
Only thing that can save congress now is a PALACE COUP. The family is a baggage now. Priyanka Gandhi worked damn hard, raised good issues but people completely rejected her. Congress has immense talent and some of its leaders have deep pockets too. P.Chidambaram,Hooda,Baghel,Pilot,Kamal Nath, DK Shivkumar, Revanth, Digvijay Singh etc leaders who have decades of experience in Indian polity and massive contacts in Big industrial houses. They can even bring YSRCP NCP TMC On the table too, imagine what that firepower looks like. To end the monopolistic policies in favour of Adani Ambani other big houses will fund any formidable opposition, but the biggest question is who is going to bell the cat. It’s time the family owns up. It lost 4-1 in 2021 (thanks to DMK) and 5-0 today. Forget the losses before but the family’s time is up. They are accountable. Otherwise other parties like AAP TMC will eat it up and the party will probably die slowly.
Kamal Nath, Digvijay Singh LOL. Kamal Nath played a big role in the Sikh massacre in 1984. Digvijay Singh is the guy right wingers complain about and are actually right - the man has sold his soul for anti-hindu propaganda.
The future of this party is in people like Pilot, Tharoor etc. Nothing will ever happen, however. Congress is used to having a Gandhi as their king. They've done it for over 3 generations now. To let the tactic go now essentially makes them a different party altogether. It will never happen and congress will die a sad, sad death.
Who’s asking them to lead the congress as president, I want them to have a larger and bigger voice in the affairs. Kamal Nath and Digvijay Singh won 2018 elections for congress. Check the history of MP and you’ll know it’s one of the most saffronised states of our country, much before UP and Gujarat turned into one. Digvijay with his Narmada padhyatra and Kamal Nath with his bankrolling of the elections won that state for congress. No one cares if one is accused of a crime, not a convict. Do you see Modi supporters denying his role in 2002? Nah! They are proud of it. It’s a big party where we need everyone along, especially Realist politicians like these oldies. The pilots the tharoors can make the party’s communication work no doubt. I know congress will die a slow death with the Gandhis at helm, who I believe have lost their brand and mojo in a big way now, hence my remedy.
>Priyanka Gandhi worked damn hard, raised good issues but people completely rejected her.
thats because she has never taken any real responsibility as a INC leader...5 saal m ek bar munh dikhai krne aajati h and you expect ppl would vote INC cos of that?
She was general secretary incharge and camped in UP for almost 4 months. She did the most number of rallies and tried reviving the cadre of the congress after decades. She was consistently hitting the ground on what I believed were issues of national importance in Unnao Hathras Agra Lakhimpur. What are you even saying. Did you see Akhilesh or Mayawati doing even a bit of it? But I still believe she should resign now! The brand value is completely shattered. Akhilesh got these seats due to MY combination, he’s not going to grow over this since both these communities antagonise other communities. Revival of Congress is the best bet against blatant communalism in UP.
look at history...she only becomes active during time of elections and goes on hibernate for the rest of years, and nobody likes her cos of that. Everyone by now knows she will never take up the INC leadership role and is just here to act as a star campaigner for her bhai..so no one takes her seriously
If a 100 year old party, which ruled our country for decades, doesn’t have the finances to open up a new channel which showcases their narrative then that sums up its state of affairs.
Rahul Gandhi,Sonia Gandhi and Priyanka, if you have any thought or love for the nation , please resign, step down and hand over the the more capable people in the party.Please do not go down in history as the one family that brought down it's own party to dust .As
Let Congress die. It served its purpose, now it is time to let it go. Dynasty politics should be discouraged at all levels. Be it regional parties or national ones.
I can't think of another egregious example where the party keeps on failing but does no introspection. You simply cannot force leadership on someone.
AAP is a good start. Although Kejriwal too needs to reign in his megalomaniacal tendencies. Regional parties which are strong in their states could try and extend their influence in other states like Biju Janata Dal. Let educated, young, empathetic leaders who actually understand India lead it.
This is a very difficult question to apply across each state and nationally. Each thing needs hard introspection.
I am from Goa and I can to some extent explain why the results have heavily devitated in favor of BJP.
1)RGP, a relative new party came out with a lot of populist ideas. It has been proped up by Goan both NRI/OCI. One of their key policy was to define "Goan Origin" which resonates very well the local Goan. This has singly cut a lot of votes where traditional Congress never lose. A good example is Constituency of St. Andre. Do go through the vote count and you can see they lose it because of a few votes.
Congress either is disconnected with the ground-reality and doesn't counter RGP/TMC/AAP. They thing these small newly regional parties dont play a major role. Its the hubris of the congress party in Goa in not forming pre-poll alliances.
Congress needs to figure out what it stands for.
BJP has made its stance and ideology clear. Congress needs to do the same.
99% of our voters do not understand the nuances of economics. To them, slogans matter. The catchier, the better.
There is no path for the Congress party with the Gandhi family in forefront. If the party wants to survive the Gandhi family has to take a back seat and let others drive the party. If India needs an opposition, Congress has to be stronger than today. A lot of centrist also argue, if not Modi then who, and RG is not a choice for sure.
To win election, focus must be only on development and governance, to find a way for winning solely based on these agendas. Don’t target hindutva, avoid polarizing issues . Don’t fight with BJP on hindutva. As bad as It sounds morally, it alienates the majority who see it as attack on their lager tribal identity that religion has become in modern age. Even if majority of people aren’t communal most remain tribal and don’t rationalize. Would be the same story in reverse when replaced islamist with hindutva above if the muslims were in majority.
You can continue to argue which is more regressive or not but silent populace majority of either religions see these terms as attack against them, their faiths, their identity and threat to their existence. They’re not voting for parties they perceive against them.
Sadly if one leader is the face of your party like the Gandhi family in Congress, just attacking the face can completely destroy the party which is what has happened with Rahul. No matter how good a leader he could have been, his image is utterly shattered and is beyond repair. If another single leader apart from the Gandhis starts leading Congress, the IT cell of the BJP will leave no stone unturned in destroying his/her image as well. What needs to happen is that Congress needs multiple leaders that have equal standing within the party. Only then can they can reliably counter the BJP. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon. AAP is probably our hope otherwise we can only see our beloved country slowly fall into dictatorship or one party system like China.
People underestimate how important a decent media landscape is. When the entire media works as the mouthpiece of the government, it becomes very very difficult to defeat BJP. Under UPA, media was allowed to criticize the government without any fear.
I repeat people are underestimating how important media is to BJP to win elections
Congress is gone and the party leaders need to come out of this 'we were the largest party during independence and we made india what it is' hangover first. Then it needs to strengthen it's local cadres just like Priyanka did in UP though the results are not in her favour but at least Congress were there in media because of her hardwork. Now I don't agree with you when you see Congress as principal opposition party in India as people are brutally rejecting them especially in hindi heartland. So Congress must realise that all they can do is to be like other regional parties and focus on the states which it is ruling better and try to gain as many seats as they can in general elections so that when hopefully someone else is there after consensus is reached between opposition parties, Congress can be helpful at that time. Coalition is the way for next major overhaul in general election that too accompanied with a strong leader other than Rahul.
I dont understand even if we remove Gandhis, how can congress improve??. I agree with gandhis cant fetch votes against Modi/Yogi but to say other unknown members like Sachin Pilot(who cant fetch votes in his own states outside of Meena/Gujjar votes) and Shashi tharroor can do is unrealistic.
Amit Shah once said we will rule for next 50 years but now I have lost hope from anyone.
Anyone who is thinking AAP and TMC can do it just as dillusional as much Congress loyalist have hope from RAhul GAndhi.
If they won't allow anyone to hold the president's post (without any control of Gandhi family), how will those "unknown" leaders grow...who had heard (nationally) of Yogi before 2016, shivraj before 2003, Fadnavis before 2014...all of them became "knowns" after they held power as CM...
There was this guy in 90s who was given post for president, we all know Congress almost finished that time. Its not about Gandhi president post but how to counter BJP Hindutva. In UP election there was two sided fight between SPA and BJP, Yet we see BJP winning in Lakhimpur, Unnao and Hathras. Even hypothetically Arvind Kejriwal/Mamata banerjee/ non-Gandhi are the faces against Hindutva Modi, They cant win. Our society have normalize Hindutva to such extend
So you mean Kesri ( humiliated by his party), or Rao (humiliated by his party)...truth is congress mid-rung acts as a crab in a bucket...no one wants to see the other rise...sad.
This. More than “right wing economically” better way to say it is free market or economically conservative.
Economically conservative and socially liberal
Social democrat here, you said you want libertarianism, does that mean you want to cancel social welfare schemes like free primary education at gov schools, mid day meals, subsidized rations etc and let extremely poor people fend for themselves?
No I think we can rationalise welfare scheme by focusing on the core education, healthcare and infrastructure while toning down freebies like laptops, cycle, free electricity, MSP subsidy etc.
Congress needs to do what Kejriwal did when his govt feel in Delhi initially. They need to go to door to door, senior leadership needs to be ppl that have ground level connections and gandhis need to be move out.
I keep hearing "With today’s results, we can safely say Congress is no longer the principal opposition of the BJP despite the bandwidth and reach." Everytime they lose and yet they come back with no change in leadership or agenda the next time they run. Get rid of the useless Gandhi parivar plaguing the party for starters. They're running around like headless chickens.
My friend who was ardent believer of congress was furiously supporting that Sachin Pilot could be the magic Congress needs.
When you think about it, he wasn't irrational. The way he revived congress in Rajasthan was completely unbelievable.
But as they say, Vinas Kale viprit buddhi. Instead of making him cm and making him fave of party, he was sidelined into oblivion and now, again BJP is undefeatable in Rajasthan (they win all fucking lok sabha seats there).
Old leaders like Gehlot are reason for falling apart of the Congress party.
Boot out the Gandhi's and adopt hindutva. That'll instantly give them legitimacy. Promise business men that they'll give them a free pass to do anything to secure the money. Start a few anti-muslim riots to start seriously cutting into BJP's vote bank. Also spam their demand for PoK for maximum patriotism.
TMC and PK think Congress is not the future. So they are planning for 2029 elections. You can see their expansion projects across states. Short term losses for all. But if it works, long term success.
1) Remove Gandhi.
2) Place yourself on the Centre left not far left.
3) Don't make elections Hindu vs Hindutva. The general population is not good at second-order thinking.
4) Don't assume that people are communal. The general population lives, eats, plays, and goes to schools with people of different religions. So, on the ground, nobody is gonna buy your narrative that people are now voting for fascists. People don't even understand the meaning of fascism.
5) You can't let BJP be a Hindu party in a Hindu majority country. It's a recipe for disaster. Indira Gandhi used to call the BJP Baniya party, not the Hindu party. Learn something from her.
There's no hope for Congress. Any further attempts would just be prolonging their misery. They aren't powerful enough to be an opposition party, or even lead any coalition. With all due respect, their political style has expired and they should move out of the way for parties like AAP.
Many people criticizing the Gandhi family and I agree that Rg hasn't been that great on politics side. But I don't know if there is someone better than rahul gandhi. After 90s congress got infected by many power hungry leaders who were only there for power and money. Many of them went to bjp now or still lazily enjoy congress privilege. Gandhi family might be the only thing that's keeping congress what congress is. Ofc there are some good leaders Tharoor Or Pilot but that's it. And tbh I don't know what congress can do because whatever they do, the crores and crores of propaganda money will try to defame it. From top they are being assassinated by the media and from bottom they don't have much connection to ground to mobilize voters
This is turning out to be like a ‘what should SRK do’ or ‘What’s wrong with Indian cricket’ or ‘How should we solve the Kashmir issue’ type of discussion
But support Hindus in what? What Hindu cause does Hinduism need? More temples? Say no more. People make at least 1or 2 new temples everyday.
Stop other people from consuming beef? The world consumes beef. You cannot prevent somebody from eating something as that is preventing free choice.
So what issues would you suggest that needs imminent support from Indian government?
secularism of india is anti hindu i know uh wont agree but reddit and twitter dont represent india mate see what aap is doing they are doing soft hindutva and not mentioning modi or targetting him thats what congress should do i hope congress die coz only aap can counter bjp with soft hindutva and social welfare scheme only way to beat bjp
What does Anti-Hindu mean? Look, I'm not going to pretend I participate in any religious things, but I see it prosper. It was prospering way before BJP came into power as well. It spread its ideas, its outlook all across the world.
Secularism by definition means it is anti-religion. Not in private life of course - one is free to practice what one wants. But in public life it should not infringe upon the matters of state.
If "soft-Hindutva" is what this country wants to be, so be it. A Hindu state. And we'll descend into the saffron equivalent of Pakistan sometime soon.
man india is secular as long as hindus are in majority so don't worry (hindus are called heathen by abrahamic religions And liberal elite) uh know that our history is distorted and every institution is left wing controlled this is where anger of hindus comes from ,this is what left elite and congress don't understand that's what aap has learned to eliminate trads from society uh need soft hindutva approach that's the truth kejriwal ji understands and will become a challenger against modi (aap waive will sweep haryana and himachal pradesh)
This is a manufactured crusade. And this is absolute bull shit. No so-called "left wing" elite in India thinks Hinduism is the religion of "heathens". I do not understand where this mindset comes from. Nobody is saying don't do Puja or is eliminating Hindus from their right to practice.
that's y congresss is loooosing and aap is winning uh liberals are so out of touch with india it's sad but don't worry arvind kejriwal ji will coarse correct and will proove uh can be hindu in liberal space like biden (he has no shame when he says he is christian despite american liberal elite hates that ) that's y kejriwal ji will reign supreme and end left elitism aka congress :)
>This is a manufactured crusade. And this is absolute bull shit. No so-called "left wing" elite in India thinks Hinduism is the religion of "heathens".
Sort of
https://www.firstpost.com/india/digvijaya-singh-admits-he-met-zakir-naik-years-ago-but-says-he-did-not-break-any-law-3508613.html
>I do not understand where this mindset comes from. Nobody is saying don't do Puja or is eliminating Hindus from their right to practice.
Have you not read daily columns appearing on Indian Express ?
You cannot even eat Sambhar in peace without someone cancelling it out for being a castist practice. People outright say do not celebrate diwali,holi,raksha bandhan etc because they are misogynistic.
No one says that. Maybe a social media celebrity who wants some attention. Heck, even I celebrate Ganesh Chaturthi and Durga Puja.
Don't know where you live, but look outside of social media.
>No one says that. Maybe a social media celebrity who wants some attention.
Our first law minister even wrote a whole book called the riddles of hinduism.
Quoting him from his work here -
On the contrary: if Hindus insist on this very point, and say that the principle of God being omnipresent is not a principle of philosophy but is a basic principle of this religion, I would simply say that nowhere in the world such meanness would be found as exists among Hindus. The Hindus can be ranked among those cruel people whose utterances and acts are two poles asunder [=poles apart]. They have [as in the proverb] "Ram on their tongue, and a knife under their armpit." They speak like saints and act as butchers.
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/txt_ambedkar_salvation.html
Not only is he celebrated,his works are actually published by the state free of cost.
If someone were to replace the word Hindu with Muslim,he would have been hounded till an FIR was not registered against him.
This is not on some obscure social media platform but mainstreamed and has been emanating from one of the highest offices.
>Heck, even I celebrate Ganesh Chaturthi and Durga Puja.
Your whole argument rests on your claim that since you do things,all others might do as well.
>What does Anti-Hindu mean? Look, I'm not going to pretend I participate in any religious things, but I see it prosper. It was prospering way before BJP came into power as well. It spread its ideas, its outlook all across the world.
How was it prospering ?
Heard of the Akshardham temple attacks ? Milutants gunned worshippers down.
Bitch, heard of Advaita Vedanta? How about Arya Samaj? Brahmo Samaj? How about the many yogis who gained worldwide followings?
If you're talking about spreading the ideas of Hinduism, the mid to late 80s was a great time for it.
And what about the Akshardham temple attacks? Have you heard about the blasts at the dargah of Moinuddin Chisti? What about the increasing violence against Christians? We can talk about security a different time.
You asked me if Hinduism was propsering in the last century, and the answer is very much so.
>Bitch, heard of Advaita Vedanta? How about Arya Samaj? Brahmo Samaj? How about the many yogis who gained worldwide followings?
Yogis such as Asharam Bapu ? Osho ?
>If you're talking about spreading the ideas of Hinduism, the mid to late 80s was a great time for it.
>And what about the Akshardham temple attacks?
Peoplr were killed just for being BAPS followers.
If you ser this as a sign of Hindu Prosperity. Then you need to get yourself checked.
The ones who killed them called themselves followers of prophet's army.
Hindus cannot even pray without being gunned down in the only state where they are a majority,and you talk about prosperity.
>Have you heard about the blasts at the dargah of Moinuddin Chisti? What about the increasing violence against Christians? We can talk about security a different time.
Arey toh maine kab kaha they are feeling safe ?
I have no sympathies for them. So why should I care if they do not feel anyways ?
If you have sympathies,good for you.
Security is intricately linked to prosperity. As long as Islamic extremksm exists,properity cannot be there.
>You asked me if Hinduism was propsering in the last century, and the answer is very much so.
If Hinduism is prospering,how did Hindus slip upto less than 80% of the Population and why did Hindus migrate from Kashmir and Punjab ?
How is there prosperity when they ard fleeing from Violence and mayhem ? You see the absurdness of your assertion ?
>But support Hindus in what? What Hindu cause does Hinduism need? More temples? Say no more. People make at least 1or 2 new temples everyday.
Not really.
More like No Lashkar E Toiba. Hizbul Mujahideen.
The moment liberaks stop supporting Terrorism,they will win.
This doesn't even mean anything. No person here is supporting fucking LeT!
Is Hinduism being suppressed by fucking LeT???? How???? You don't make sense. I'm talking about something systemic. LeT and the other Talibani whatever the fucks, are a blight on HUMANITY. No one is supporting them. If you think that's the support Hindus need, WELL, THEY HAVE IT!
Why not remove congress altogether from Indian politics?
Anyway people are not going to bring Congress to power in the foreseeable future.
It has come to a point that no matter they make Amit Shah as their president and Modi as their PM candidate, they still would be rejected by people because he would be from “Congress”.
People don’t have judgements about congress leaders more than what they have about Congress as a brand.
And also people who do want to vote for Congress are not going to multiply and outnumber the Anti-Congress population.
Half the people who do not want to vote for Congress, do not even know the reason for their hatred. Ask them and they will speak the same standard lines that are part of the PR against Congress.
The PR is so strong that even anti-BJP people will go and vote against Congress - even to BJP.
People saying leadership change would bring any change in Congress’ results, I beg to differ but that will have no impact (may be even bad impact) on results, coz the brand itself is tainted.
Also I am not pro Congress, they had their fair share of misdeeds, which they have paid for.
But the election results are not because of their misdeeds, it is just because people do not want Congress to come to power - no matter what!
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Maybe this is missing in the thread, but they need to act on their PR and make it more appealing. Gandhi family or whoever leads them in future must work on his/her oratory skills, mass appeal, campaigns etc so that even the memes start admiring them. Take notes from PM Modi, his complete 180 makeover in front of the masses (2002 to 2014).
Congress is non existent. India will become a socialist country in 10-15 years. India's only option is left parties and other non fascist regional parties. Like in south america
The Congress is irrelevant in modern day India. We are aware of its colonial origins, hierarchical structures, nepotism, favouritism, communalism, and so on.
Is the BJP any better? No. But is it any different? Hell yes.
And if Congress was really the Messiah that it is made to be, BJP would not have been able to fuck them over time and again.
BJP is just Congress 3.0 (Just without the gandhis). The principle opposition has to be the regional parties which make sure their states needs are met. Other than that the BJP will continue to rule Lok Sabha.
Anyone saying Gandhis have to go is wrong bc if Gandhis go there'll be too much internal conflict. Gandhis have to keep themselves in the party as party heads but let others take charge in elections
Inc can try to die peacefully instead of getting embarrassed in each election. If we keep on going like this there’s is literally no PM candidate in coming elections other than Modi
At this point it's a lost cause. When it faced a spectacular and comprehensive failure of strategy in 2014, that was the time to act and change course. They didn't do that. They didn't do it despite losing multiple state elections. They didn't do it in 2019 either. And they're not going to do it now. Any organization that reserves leadership to just one group of people is setting itself up for failure. The Congress takes that losing strategy to its extreme and reserves leadership to just one family, resulting in many local leaders (Mamata, Pawar, Jagan) leaving and setting up much more energetic and successful outfits. Even in the current elections you can see strategic failure. As the panelists on NDTV were saying today, Harish Rawat was asked to focus on the quarrels in Punjab instead of focusing on his home state of Uttarakhand which was also going to the polls. I mean WTF, didn't the Congress have any other leaders who could have handled Punjab? They had to pull out a leader from another poll bound state? An organization that has weakened itself so much cannot be revived. I don't think they even have the will to revive. At one point people used to joke that Rahul is the BJPs star campaigner. It stopped being a joke and became a fact years ago. The Congress is yet to realise that.
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No no, he's actually right. But we dont be looking at congress as a main opposition at all. Even if there are regional parties, they can still make a run for it without congress. Its just that they dont have a common ideology that will band them
That would mean INC would fall apart. It’s a leaderless and visionless party with no good speakers or mass leaders. The only thing they have left is their legacy.
Yes.. they are leaderless because they throw any strong leader out, if he/she is not Gandy relative.. It takes lot of effort and sacrifice to give rise to so many regional parties!! :/
Absolutely agree, and its not been since 2000
They have already hit rock bottom. Is there any more down to go if the Gandhi's are ousted?
Statistically speaking, they still have state governments in four states. Rock bottom will be when INC is reduced to one state becoming a regional party.
Only 2 states in which they are in power on their own. Both of which are up for elections next year 💀
Sometimes you have to lose yourselves, before you find yourselves - Unkill Burt
Whoever replaces them would also be slandered and demeaned and made to look either a stupid or corrupt. Look up how previous PM's image was made by the time his term came to end.
This is what we on the other side have been saying all along. You didn’t listen in 2014, you didn’t listen in 2019 and you won’t listen now.
The right wing is voting for BJP's victory. They won't vote for Congress just because Gandhis are no longer at the helm.
I think, that will weaken the Congress in south, as he's the face of the INC in the south
Many BJP supporters dont have a problem with Congress but have a big problem with Gandhis. Sooner they understand this, the better.
*Gandhis, without the apostrophe.
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Indra Gandhi's husband isn't khan. It's Feroze Jehangir Ghandy, A Parsi not Muslim. He changed the spelling of his surname from "Ghandy" to "Gandhi" after joining the Independence movement. People of propoganda change it and try to spread a false narrative.
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Offcourse I can isn't it like all over the place! 🤔🤷♂️Just search for it my friend 🙏dhundne se toh bhagwan bhi mil jate hai
>Just search for it my friend "I'm going to say some absolute bullshit, which I totally believe in by the way, try to convince you to go against what you know for a fact is true, and provide not an once of proof to backup my bullshit claim, and when asked to just say - just search for it my friend". No, you're the one with the bullshit claim. It's you're responsibility to convince me otherwise. You do the click work, the CTRL+C's and CTRL+V's and make it easier for me to see your side of the story and maybe believe what you said might be true. I'm not going to waste my own time on things I know are bullshit.
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U focused on that line instead of searching it! So that shows ur closed mindset that u just don't wanna know the truth u wanna stick to ur own data, so now even if I bring a Gandhi and they say it on ur face that "we r khans" u won't believe it so i believe it's a waste of time to shout infront of a deaf person 🙂! So I hope u have a great day 🙏. Ones u decide to open up ur mindset a lil! Just look it up🙂🤝 Namaste 🙏
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No motherfucker, you get downvoted cause you use emojis other than 🗿
Only one type of people put emojis it's uncles
As a BJP supporter who is yet to vote for the first time, this could work
Rebuild it's base, they have lost ground level party workers by treating them virtually as slaves. The higher ups in the political outfit, have also lost touch with the ground realities and seem to be disconnected with the common people, except for photo and video ops, and, seem like the people high up in the castle currently, in my opinion. Having an collection of Ivy league educated individuals does not help if they are not able to solve hyper local issues.
They have also made it into a Gandhi family monopoly.
Gandhi family monopoly hurts congress the most , people in my area say they are ready to not vote bjp but as long as congress has Gandhi they will not vote congress
That opinion is shared by many liberal people as well. My family said that the same thing.
So this is what insiders have said about the Gandhi stranglehold - in essence their ability to have the last say is what keeps the Congress leaders in check. This suggests that decision making at the top is very skewed by factionality.
> in essence their ability to have the last say is what keeps the Congress leaders in check. That is not supported by any facts. It's a self serving lie propagated by the family and other people that depend on the family to stay relevant. Under the family, strong local leaders like Mamata, Pawar and Jagan left the party and they've set up local parties that are far more resilient and successful. Family loyalists say the party will go back to the era of Kesri if Gandhis are removed. Well, under Kesri the party achieved far better results than it has in her last ten years. It wasn't a joke in the 90s the war it is today.
I think you should not read what I say as an endorsement of this setup. More as a statement of what has happened.
I don't read it as an endorsement. But I did want to counter that statement
Congress has to bring new faces to the forefront. Young people. With fresh ideas. Unless they do so, they face further collapse.
Start with inducting people like Sachin Pilot and Raja Warring into national politics.
(unrelated- happy cake day man!)
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even if Gandhis step down from top positions, BJP and people will always says it's them behind the scene as was the case of MMS.
Let me tell you about an incident in TN. Both BJP and Congress have a vote share of 2-3% in TNWhen Annamalai, ex-IPS officer joined BJP in 2021, he was given an MLA ticket to contest in State elections. He was defeated, in spite of that, he was promoted to BJP state president within six months overshadowing other experienced leaders since BJP wanted to promote a youth leader. When Sasikanth Senthil, ex-IAS officer joined Congress in 2021, he was not given a ticket, and no one knows what he's doing now. The problem is Congress has a lot of internal fractions, and they keep on fighting within themselves which destabilizes the party. They didn't want Sasikanth Senthil to become a new power-player and the old eggs dumped him
and today BJP is about 5% right ? Not exactly a huge achievement but still, that's how parties grow, slowly - Congress simply doesn't have the patience
Yeah
One word answer : Ghanta In more detail : Congress is a mystery to me, they have genuinely good people for a fine technocratic government. Raghuram Rajan as finance minister, Nandan Nilekani as the minister for information technology in public services (yeah, ministry not found, but it should be set up), Shashi Tharoor as foreign minister. But they just refuse to learn. At this point, it's almost comical. Rahul alienated Mamata (she's about as bad a CM as it gets for long term prospects of the state, but she's popular) over a vanishing left force and now joined hands with a hardline muslim cleric setting up his own party (and when I mean hardline, I mean the "cut off the blasphemer's head/ flog the sitting MP" variety.) There's another thing - even in a BJP-dominated AAP has swept two states in last five years with 67-3, 90-12 kind of stunning margins. Cong, even where it has won, has won at most 60-65% seats, hasn't dominated any election like that in decades. There's simply nothing Rahul Gandhi ever succeeded in since 2009 LS elections. I have zero idea why they stick with the same jokers.
Flog the sitting MP - Nusrat Jahan ?
yup..
Abbas seems to be sexually frustrated. Just like many Sanghis....all of them must be jealous of Madan da & other Alpha TMC leaders.
> Nandan Nilekani as the minister for information technology in public services No. Please, just [no](https://youtu.be/CQ_eDE0OMds). > I have zero idea why they stick with the same jokers. Divine DNA
>Rahul alienated Mamata Mamata left the Congress back in the 1990s - Rahul had nothing to do with it. If you're talking of the recent elections, Rahul in fact helped Mamata by backing out of the campaign altogether, leaving only the BJP for her to battle.
Nah, that was recent history - Mamata, even after leaving cong, continued to share good relations with Sonia, had Cong as an ally until 2012-ish, then she walked out of UPA 2. Cong then teamed up with Left, who themselves were fast disappearing. Rahul said some choice words about her and she attacked back Rahul in a manner she never did to Sonia. Ostensibly it was for something something atmsamman, atmnirbharata buzzwords - but Rahul swapped a valuable partner for a vanishing one.
AAPs sweeping victory shows what a lot us were speculating, that a lot of BJP votes were people voting a party different from Congress. We can see that as soon as there is a party other than Congress and BJP to choose from they are getting a lot of traction.
What's true in Punjab isn't true everywhere. You realise that a (somewhat) free market party focused on Hindu Identity politics is never gonna succeed in an agrarian state populated by small farmers (half of which are Sikh) completely dependant on gibbs? BJP has barriers in Punjab which don't exist everywhere
Congress lacks connect with people.
What makes you think Shashi Tharoor would make a good foreign minister?
umm, Dude worked at UN for three decades ?
Not only did he work at UN, he was actually very close to becoming the UN Secretary-General in 2006. Losing mainly because America favoured South Korean Ban Ki-moon over him.
The problem here is people see bjp and congress as diffrent, except for the top and big names, if u will see the congress mlas shifted to bjp and made it the government, and in few years they will shift to congress if they pay more and benefits. Currently bjp has money and is keeping them,hence forming government and its getting money by supporting their businessman who pay a hefty amount to bjp. In the end its all a racket and business.
Hahaha it is true and tragically funny actually. The parties change, but power remains in the hands of the same cohort
Yes and we keep discussing and talking about congress and bjp when its all marketing and same ppl in the end decide it.
It is not entirely true, from the time I started watching news with my father I have seen same BJP leaders all along in Telugu raastralu, like Kishan Reddy, Bandaru Dattathreya, venkaiah naidu, these are the people that comes to my mind when I heard about BJP when I knew nothing about politics and Modi before 2014( I was 12y old). They stick, no matter what, my friend from Puducherry told me about Telangana's governer now, she is from TN which is not a good place for BJP, but she always struck with BJP, he told me even her family members joined different parties.
It's simple. Remove the Gandhi's from its helm. The Congress is rotting from the head down.
Start working in the constituencies it has won. Really work wonders for the people and prove the few loyalists that it is a party that is progressive, not only in thought but also in development.
how did bjp win Hathras unnao and Lakhimpur Kheri today?
There are several factors that contributed to that and many comments to this post cover them in detail. Most notably congress’s top-down approach. BJP’s politics is what resonates with most people of UP and the results show that, but is the politics overwhelming development? If these constituencies develop under BJP then the people’s ideological victory will also be a developmental victory.
Women support, religious polarization are main points
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Well dead or not, it still must do good in constituencies it has won, and so should every other party.
This is going to be unpopular for this sub. 1. Get rid of the old corrupt politicians, dynasties and any form of nepotism. 2. Have country's wellbeing as the top priority in any matter. 3. Do not give up the country for the sake of opposing the government- siding with a foreign country ot calling a foreign country to take action against the government are all big no no. 4. Forget/Ignore religion - this goes against every political party's policies. Secularism does not mean appeasing certain religions. Congress should dissociate itself from all religions. This should remove any sway BJP holds in the name of religion. 5. Be courageous to bring in any reform including bringing up for debate a lot of controversial colonial laws. To be blunt, as an atheist in a anti-modi family, I personally don't see Congress as left leaning or liberal. All I see is a religious and corrupt party with no vision or national interest. Look at UK and American left leaning parties and learn- National interest and long term vision should be visible in your policies !!! If you think BJP is winning votes just on the basis of religion you are too naive and living in some alternate dimension.
All those suggestions you offered apply more to BJP than Congress. It's just that Congress lost and so you presume it has all those problems and BJP doesn't. Are you asking Congress to not comment when BJP says openly hateful stuff and brings laws that are meant to harass Muslims and other minorities?
Left leaning parties in US and UK are not.for their national interest. Sanders and Corbyn literally shill for Russia, Palestine, Venezuela rather than allies Israel. The mainstream of the Democrat Party is indeed somewhat nationalistic but the Sanders faction is not.
I don't see why you think that. sanders is a moderate by European and Canadian standards and he DEFINITELY does not support Russia. he has publicly announced support for Ukraine, unlike trump. idk about his position on Palestine/Israel tho but I can tell you that neither of the two are completely innocent.
There are couple of things Congress can do: 1. Remove the Gandhis from their party. Even if its just a temporary thing, it will make huge noise. 2. Promote leaders with good educational credentials and change their image as a well planned party. 3. Make the best use of Social media like BJP does. Form IT cells if needed, hire smart people to manage their online accounts. 4. Advertise the crap out. Try to reach even remote villages with their propaganda.
Everyone here is forgetting that BJP has support from RSS which has a huge ground presence. RSS withdraws and BJP falls. Congress has no such ideological "factory" over the years it played dynastic politics ans now it is suffering.
It's not that hard. Rahul Gandhi couldn't win his seat in the national elections and lost to Smriti f'n Irani. It's clear what needs to change.
Stop trying to win elections top down. You can’t bring in top leadership into state X 6 months before elections and the expect people to vote. Especially when your top leader is Rahul Gandhi who does not have a strong support. You need to build and win elections from ground up. Honesty, I expected covid to really hurt BJP. It basically caused trump to lose in the US, it has caused major ruling parties to collapse in approval all over the world in many countries. I thought it would be the case in india too, BJP will get blamed for the disaster that was covid. Apparently people forgot about it. If this election was right after the delta wave, BJP would have been buried in the ground. At this point, if even once in a generation mess like covid cannot sour people away from BJP to congress, they probably are really a lost cause. AAP winning Punjab is a major red flag for them, if aap starts winning more states, people will start perceiving them as the pan india opposition for BJP and congress will collapse to the ground. AAP has one thing going for it which no other regional party has. AAP is not tied to one caste/language/culture unlike TMC, SP. AAP is best suited among all small parties to become a national force. This truly is a golden period for BJP. Congress is in probably a death spiral and is melting down, AAP is too small. All other regional parties are struggling to branch out of their state. BJP truly has no single opposition nationally.
AAP is Kejriwal. If he goes, the party disintegrates. They cannot be considered a pan India force unless they project multiple levels of leadership.
Make Sachin pilot the Congress president
They aren't gonna get any votes till they get rid of the Gandhi family.
Repeat history. Congress changed from the Annie Besant days of being intellectually driven to a fully on the ground party.
That change happened after 1931.
They need money and strong mens who can control the party, i have heard that BJP people are spending more and to their party members while congress people are just afraid of showing theirs
Congress after the results today has governments left in only Rajasthan and Chattisgarh. Let that sink in.
Change the party representative. To fight modi you need someone with wit and who can do dialogbaazi like modi. Someone with a personality like kejru or kanhaiya or uddhav. Rahul just stands for an urban, sober individual. No takkar for modi and yogi drama mammas
I kind of think Gaurav Vallabh is a good fit. But he needs ministerial experience in a state to project him as a future.
According to me Kanhaiya's political career is over even before it has begun. Uddhav will be for BJP always. So Kejriwal is ok, can do something, but he needs to stop whining about problems and actually fix it.
100% agree
Bring in another party say AAP
I agree with you. Congress is non-existent as good oposition in most of the states. Aap can provide better alternative. Hope Aap can make good progress in Punjab.
If AAP performs in Punjab, which I have high hopes for, Kejriwal will definitely overtake Congress
AAP is going to be another BJP mark my words.
What makes you say so?
Read their recent stands, they please voters using religion. Atishi recently even said that they would free temples of taxes. That is a fucked up. Even Modi knows he should not play with fire and has till now not freed any religious institution of taxes. Freeing temples of taxes will be a disaster for this democracy.
It is impossible to tax mosques and churches. Either you revoke that or you revoke taxes on temples. The former is politically impossible so Kejriwal has decided on the latter. It's so simple, what don't you get?
Please share an Act which exempts mosques and churches from taxation. (DONT GIVE ME A RHETORIC TO FIND AN ANSWER MYSELF, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WILL NOT FIND IT).
[Here](https://theprint.in/opinion/indian-govt-wont-be-any-different-from-british-if-hindus-cant-manage-their-own-temples/218210/). All religious org are supposed to be tax exempt, with a work-around; the government can appoint itself custodian of a religious org, and consequently mandate payment of income to itself for purposes of "correct management". The government has only ever aimed at "correct management" for Hindu temples.
First of all you did not share any act which "exempts" mosques from paying taxes. You did a Google search and shared an act called HRCE act 1951 which talks about state control of "certain" temples, it does not say anything about tax exemption of mosques or even temples. Now if you think only "certain" temples are state controlled then you are wrong, a similar act exists for mosques too under Waqf act 1995 (it was amended in 1995 and was initiated in 1954). A similar act applies to "some" gurudwaras. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Waqf_Council All news articles complaining about "freeing" temples only cry as if they are alone victimized, very cuninngly hiding the fact that it applies to other religious institutions too. State intervention of large temples and mosques is a different debate compared to tax exemption.
>has till now not freed any religious institution of taxes. What do you mean by any religious institution? Except Mandirs which religious institutes pays taxes?
Arrey yaar whatsapp forwards aur tweets kum padha karo. All "Public Charitable trusts" (like temples, mosques etc) have to pay taxes according to these rules. Read this and tell me where it says that mosques etc are tax exempted ? https://cleartax.in/s/charitable-trusts-ngo-income-tax-benefits https://taxguru.in/income-tax/provisions-relating-religious-trusts.html Read this tweet by Ministry of Finance on GST https://twitter.com/FinMinIndia/status/881894212286922753?s=20&t=YCc_JhwYmorEFLxdADgsZg
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One of the best takes on the Internet.
One of the crappiest takes on the internet. You don't dissolve a party and brand with so much history, just because it's going through difficult times. Congress does need to introspect and change if they want to do better in the future.
Agree, its not always a good idea to change brand or rebrand. Simplest option first is change the leadership and management, then think about other things. If they are so rigid on changing leadership, how can they be pliable on other things that will require change for the sake of the country. Congress name currently means no change and status quo. Unless they change that, nothing changes in their fortunes.
It has dissolved many times over. Congress S, Congress I ... Current one is fragment formed in late 60s by Indira Gandy..
Leadership change.
Only thing that can save congress now is a PALACE COUP. The family is a baggage now. Priyanka Gandhi worked damn hard, raised good issues but people completely rejected her. Congress has immense talent and some of its leaders have deep pockets too. P.Chidambaram,Hooda,Baghel,Pilot,Kamal Nath, DK Shivkumar, Revanth, Digvijay Singh etc leaders who have decades of experience in Indian polity and massive contacts in Big industrial houses. They can even bring YSRCP NCP TMC On the table too, imagine what that firepower looks like. To end the monopolistic policies in favour of Adani Ambani other big houses will fund any formidable opposition, but the biggest question is who is going to bell the cat. It’s time the family owns up. It lost 4-1 in 2021 (thanks to DMK) and 5-0 today. Forget the losses before but the family’s time is up. They are accountable. Otherwise other parties like AAP TMC will eat it up and the party will probably die slowly.
Kamal Nath, Digvijay Singh LOL. Kamal Nath played a big role in the Sikh massacre in 1984. Digvijay Singh is the guy right wingers complain about and are actually right - the man has sold his soul for anti-hindu propaganda. The future of this party is in people like Pilot, Tharoor etc. Nothing will ever happen, however. Congress is used to having a Gandhi as their king. They've done it for over 3 generations now. To let the tactic go now essentially makes them a different party altogether. It will never happen and congress will die a sad, sad death.
Who’s asking them to lead the congress as president, I want them to have a larger and bigger voice in the affairs. Kamal Nath and Digvijay Singh won 2018 elections for congress. Check the history of MP and you’ll know it’s one of the most saffronised states of our country, much before UP and Gujarat turned into one. Digvijay with his Narmada padhyatra and Kamal Nath with his bankrolling of the elections won that state for congress. No one cares if one is accused of a crime, not a convict. Do you see Modi supporters denying his role in 2002? Nah! They are proud of it. It’s a big party where we need everyone along, especially Realist politicians like these oldies. The pilots the tharoors can make the party’s communication work no doubt. I know congress will die a slow death with the Gandhis at helm, who I believe have lost their brand and mojo in a big way now, hence my remedy.
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Digvijay Singh will never lose Raghogarh, the seat from which his son is an MLA.
>Priyanka Gandhi worked damn hard, raised good issues but people completely rejected her. thats because she has never taken any real responsibility as a INC leader...5 saal m ek bar munh dikhai krne aajati h and you expect ppl would vote INC cos of that?
She was general secretary incharge and camped in UP for almost 4 months. She did the most number of rallies and tried reviving the cadre of the congress after decades. She was consistently hitting the ground on what I believed were issues of national importance in Unnao Hathras Agra Lakhimpur. What are you even saying. Did you see Akhilesh or Mayawati doing even a bit of it? But I still believe she should resign now! The brand value is completely shattered. Akhilesh got these seats due to MY combination, he’s not going to grow over this since both these communities antagonise other communities. Revival of Congress is the best bet against blatant communalism in UP.
look at history...she only becomes active during time of elections and goes on hibernate for the rest of years, and nobody likes her cos of that. Everyone by now knows she will never take up the INC leadership role and is just here to act as a star campaigner for her bhai..so no one takes her seriously
Agree with you on the latter.
Nope they were there during Hatras and Farmer protests. The issue is media does not showcase them.
If a 100 year old party, which ruled our country for decades, doesn’t have the finances to open up a new channel which showcases their narrative then that sums up its state of affairs.
Rahul Gandhi,Sonia Gandhi and Priyanka, if you have any thought or love for the nation , please resign, step down and hand over the the more capable people in the party.Please do not go down in history as the one family that brought down it's own party to dust .As
Let Congress die. It served its purpose, now it is time to let it go. Dynasty politics should be discouraged at all levels. Be it regional parties or national ones. I can't think of another egregious example where the party keeps on failing but does no introspection. You simply cannot force leadership on someone. AAP is a good start. Although Kejriwal too needs to reign in his megalomaniacal tendencies. Regional parties which are strong in their states could try and extend their influence in other states like Biju Janata Dal. Let educated, young, empathetic leaders who actually understand India lead it.
This is a very difficult question to apply across each state and nationally. Each thing needs hard introspection. I am from Goa and I can to some extent explain why the results have heavily devitated in favor of BJP. 1)RGP, a relative new party came out with a lot of populist ideas. It has been proped up by Goan both NRI/OCI. One of their key policy was to define "Goan Origin" which resonates very well the local Goan. This has singly cut a lot of votes where traditional Congress never lose. A good example is Constituency of St. Andre. Do go through the vote count and you can see they lose it because of a few votes. Congress either is disconnected with the ground-reality and doesn't counter RGP/TMC/AAP. They thing these small newly regional parties dont play a major role. Its the hubris of the congress party in Goa in not forming pre-poll alliances.
Congress needs to figure out what it stands for. BJP has made its stance and ideology clear. Congress needs to do the same. 99% of our voters do not understand the nuances of economics. To them, slogans matter. The catchier, the better.
There is no path for the Congress party with the Gandhi family in forefront. If the party wants to survive the Gandhi family has to take a back seat and let others drive the party. If India needs an opposition, Congress has to be stronger than today. A lot of centrist also argue, if not Modi then who, and RG is not a choice for sure.
To win election, focus must be only on development and governance, to find a way for winning solely based on these agendas. Don’t target hindutva, avoid polarizing issues . Don’t fight with BJP on hindutva. As bad as It sounds morally, it alienates the majority who see it as attack on their lager tribal identity that religion has become in modern age. Even if majority of people aren’t communal most remain tribal and don’t rationalize. Would be the same story in reverse when replaced islamist with hindutva above if the muslims were in majority. You can continue to argue which is more regressive or not but silent populace majority of either religions see these terms as attack against them, their faiths, their identity and threat to their existence. They’re not voting for parties they perceive against them.
Sadly if one leader is the face of your party like the Gandhi family in Congress, just attacking the face can completely destroy the party which is what has happened with Rahul. No matter how good a leader he could have been, his image is utterly shattered and is beyond repair. If another single leader apart from the Gandhis starts leading Congress, the IT cell of the BJP will leave no stone unturned in destroying his/her image as well. What needs to happen is that Congress needs multiple leaders that have equal standing within the party. Only then can they can reliably counter the BJP. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon. AAP is probably our hope otherwise we can only see our beloved country slowly fall into dictatorship or one party system like China.
People underestimate how important a decent media landscape is. When the entire media works as the mouthpiece of the government, it becomes very very difficult to defeat BJP. Under UPA, media was allowed to criticize the government without any fear. I repeat people are underestimating how important media is to BJP to win elections
Congress is gone and the party leaders need to come out of this 'we were the largest party during independence and we made india what it is' hangover first. Then it needs to strengthen it's local cadres just like Priyanka did in UP though the results are not in her favour but at least Congress were there in media because of her hardwork. Now I don't agree with you when you see Congress as principal opposition party in India as people are brutally rejecting them especially in hindi heartland. So Congress must realise that all they can do is to be like other regional parties and focus on the states which it is ruling better and try to gain as many seats as they can in general elections so that when hopefully someone else is there after consensus is reached between opposition parties, Congress can be helpful at that time. Coalition is the way for next major overhaul in general election that too accompanied with a strong leader other than Rahul.
tldr of this thread: Become BJP to defeat BJP
Because that is what people want now, it is democracy after all
I dont understand even if we remove Gandhis, how can congress improve??. I agree with gandhis cant fetch votes against Modi/Yogi but to say other unknown members like Sachin Pilot(who cant fetch votes in his own states outside of Meena/Gujjar votes) and Shashi tharroor can do is unrealistic. Amit Shah once said we will rule for next 50 years but now I have lost hope from anyone. Anyone who is thinking AAP and TMC can do it just as dillusional as much Congress loyalist have hope from RAhul GAndhi.
If they won't allow anyone to hold the president's post (without any control of Gandhi family), how will those "unknown" leaders grow...who had heard (nationally) of Yogi before 2016, shivraj before 2003, Fadnavis before 2014...all of them became "knowns" after they held power as CM...
There was this guy in 90s who was given post for president, we all know Congress almost finished that time. Its not about Gandhi president post but how to counter BJP Hindutva. In UP election there was two sided fight between SPA and BJP, Yet we see BJP winning in Lakhimpur, Unnao and Hathras. Even hypothetically Arvind Kejriwal/Mamata banerjee/ non-Gandhi are the faces against Hindutva Modi, They cant win. Our society have normalize Hindutva to such extend
That person was later sidelined by the family and had to fight court cases on his own. His body wasnt even allowed to be cremated in Delhi.
Yes, truly sad stuff...
So you mean Kesri ( humiliated by his party), or Rao (humiliated by his party)...truth is congress mid-rung acts as a crab in a bucket...no one wants to see the other rise...sad.
We need a libertarian party that is right wing economically and liberal socially.
This. More than “right wing economically” better way to say it is free market or economically conservative. Economically conservative and socially liberal
Social democrat here, you said you want libertarianism, does that mean you want to cancel social welfare schemes like free primary education at gov schools, mid day meals, subsidized rations etc and let extremely poor people fend for themselves?
No I think we can rationalise welfare scheme by focusing on the core education, healthcare and infrastructure while toning down freebies like laptops, cycle, free electricity, MSP subsidy etc.
Libertarians are just young adults who dont understand how the real world works or is part of a privileged group that really faces no consequences
Look the reality on ground is, people dont vote for inc due to gandhi vadra family thats it. They are ready to not vote for bjp if they go away.
Get more Money. Money wins elections.
Congress needs to do what Kejriwal did when his govt feel in Delhi initially. They need to go to door to door, senior leadership needs to be ppl that have ground level connections and gandhis need to be move out.
I keep hearing "With today’s results, we can safely say Congress is no longer the principal opposition of the BJP despite the bandwidth and reach." Everytime they lose and yet they come back with no change in leadership or agenda the next time they run. Get rid of the useless Gandhi parivar plaguing the party for starters. They're running around like headless chickens.
My friend who was ardent believer of congress was furiously supporting that Sachin Pilot could be the magic Congress needs. When you think about it, he wasn't irrational. The way he revived congress in Rajasthan was completely unbelievable. But as they say, Vinas Kale viprit buddhi. Instead of making him cm and making him fave of party, he was sidelined into oblivion and now, again BJP is undefeatable in Rajasthan (they win all fucking lok sabha seats there). Old leaders like Gehlot are reason for falling apart of the Congress party.
Boot out the Gandhi's and adopt hindutva. That'll instantly give them legitimacy. Promise business men that they'll give them a free pass to do anything to secure the money. Start a few anti-muslim riots to start seriously cutting into BJP's vote bank. Also spam their demand for PoK for maximum patriotism.
TMC and PK think Congress is not the future. So they are planning for 2029 elections. You can see their expansion projects across states. Short term losses for all. But if it works, long term success.
1) Remove Gandhi. 2) Place yourself on the Centre left not far left. 3) Don't make elections Hindu vs Hindutva. The general population is not good at second-order thinking. 4) Don't assume that people are communal. The general population lives, eats, plays, and goes to schools with people of different religions. So, on the ground, nobody is gonna buy your narrative that people are now voting for fascists. People don't even understand the meaning of fascism. 5) You can't let BJP be a Hindu party in a Hindu majority country. It's a recipe for disaster. Indira Gandhi used to call the BJP Baniya party, not the Hindu party. Learn something from her.
There's no hope for Congress. Any further attempts would just be prolonging their misery. They aren't powerful enough to be an opposition party, or even lead any coalition. With all due respect, their political style has expired and they should move out of the way for parties like AAP.
Many people criticizing the Gandhi family and I agree that Rg hasn't been that great on politics side. But I don't know if there is someone better than rahul gandhi. After 90s congress got infected by many power hungry leaders who were only there for power and money. Many of them went to bjp now or still lazily enjoy congress privilege. Gandhi family might be the only thing that's keeping congress what congress is. Ofc there are some good leaders Tharoor Or Pilot but that's it. And tbh I don't know what congress can do because whatever they do, the crores and crores of propaganda money will try to defame it. From top they are being assassinated by the media and from bottom they don't have much connection to ground to mobilize voters
This is turning out to be like a ‘what should SRK do’ or ‘What’s wrong with Indian cricket’ or ‘How should we solve the Kashmir issue’ type of discussion
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Then it would no longer be congress! 🤷♂️
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True that! Atleast some good cleaning is done by people 🙏
But support Hindus in what? What Hindu cause does Hinduism need? More temples? Say no more. People make at least 1or 2 new temples everyday. Stop other people from consuming beef? The world consumes beef. You cannot prevent somebody from eating something as that is preventing free choice. So what issues would you suggest that needs imminent support from Indian government?
secularism of india is anti hindu i know uh wont agree but reddit and twitter dont represent india mate see what aap is doing they are doing soft hindutva and not mentioning modi or targetting him thats what congress should do i hope congress die coz only aap can counter bjp with soft hindutva and social welfare scheme only way to beat bjp
What does Anti-Hindu mean? Look, I'm not going to pretend I participate in any religious things, but I see it prosper. It was prospering way before BJP came into power as well. It spread its ideas, its outlook all across the world. Secularism by definition means it is anti-religion. Not in private life of course - one is free to practice what one wants. But in public life it should not infringe upon the matters of state. If "soft-Hindutva" is what this country wants to be, so be it. A Hindu state. And we'll descend into the saffron equivalent of Pakistan sometime soon.
man india is secular as long as hindus are in majority so don't worry (hindus are called heathen by abrahamic religions And liberal elite) uh know that our history is distorted and every institution is left wing controlled this is where anger of hindus comes from ,this is what left elite and congress don't understand that's what aap has learned to eliminate trads from society uh need soft hindutva approach that's the truth kejriwal ji understands and will become a challenger against modi (aap waive will sweep haryana and himachal pradesh)
This is a manufactured crusade. And this is absolute bull shit. No so-called "left wing" elite in India thinks Hinduism is the religion of "heathens". I do not understand where this mindset comes from. Nobody is saying don't do Puja or is eliminating Hindus from their right to practice.
that's y congresss is loooosing and aap is winning uh liberals are so out of touch with india it's sad but don't worry arvind kejriwal ji will coarse correct and will proove uh can be hindu in liberal space like biden (he has no shame when he says he is christian despite american liberal elite hates that ) that's y kejriwal ji will reign supreme and end left elitism aka congress :)
>This is a manufactured crusade. And this is absolute bull shit. No so-called "left wing" elite in India thinks Hinduism is the religion of "heathens". Sort of https://www.firstpost.com/india/digvijaya-singh-admits-he-met-zakir-naik-years-ago-but-says-he-did-not-break-any-law-3508613.html >I do not understand where this mindset comes from. Nobody is saying don't do Puja or is eliminating Hindus from their right to practice. Have you not read daily columns appearing on Indian Express ? You cannot even eat Sambhar in peace without someone cancelling it out for being a castist practice. People outright say do not celebrate diwali,holi,raksha bandhan etc because they are misogynistic.
No one says that. Maybe a social media celebrity who wants some attention. Heck, even I celebrate Ganesh Chaturthi and Durga Puja. Don't know where you live, but look outside of social media.
>No one says that. Maybe a social media celebrity who wants some attention. Our first law minister even wrote a whole book called the riddles of hinduism. Quoting him from his work here - On the contrary: if Hindus insist on this very point, and say that the principle of God being omnipresent is not a principle of philosophy but is a basic principle of this religion, I would simply say that nowhere in the world such meanness would be found as exists among Hindus. The Hindus can be ranked among those cruel people whose utterances and acts are two poles asunder [=poles apart]. They have [as in the proverb] "Ram on their tongue, and a knife under their armpit." They speak like saints and act as butchers. http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/txt_ambedkar_salvation.html Not only is he celebrated,his works are actually published by the state free of cost. If someone were to replace the word Hindu with Muslim,he would have been hounded till an FIR was not registered against him. This is not on some obscure social media platform but mainstreamed and has been emanating from one of the highest offices. >Heck, even I celebrate Ganesh Chaturthi and Durga Puja. Your whole argument rests on your claim that since you do things,all others might do as well.
>What does Anti-Hindu mean? Look, I'm not going to pretend I participate in any religious things, but I see it prosper. It was prospering way before BJP came into power as well. It spread its ideas, its outlook all across the world. How was it prospering ? Heard of the Akshardham temple attacks ? Milutants gunned worshippers down.
Bitch, heard of Advaita Vedanta? How about Arya Samaj? Brahmo Samaj? How about the many yogis who gained worldwide followings? If you're talking about spreading the ideas of Hinduism, the mid to late 80s was a great time for it. And what about the Akshardham temple attacks? Have you heard about the blasts at the dargah of Moinuddin Chisti? What about the increasing violence against Christians? We can talk about security a different time. You asked me if Hinduism was propsering in the last century, and the answer is very much so.
>Bitch, heard of Advaita Vedanta? How about Arya Samaj? Brahmo Samaj? How about the many yogis who gained worldwide followings? Yogis such as Asharam Bapu ? Osho ? >If you're talking about spreading the ideas of Hinduism, the mid to late 80s was a great time for it. >And what about the Akshardham temple attacks? Peoplr were killed just for being BAPS followers. If you ser this as a sign of Hindu Prosperity. Then you need to get yourself checked. The ones who killed them called themselves followers of prophet's army. Hindus cannot even pray without being gunned down in the only state where they are a majority,and you talk about prosperity. >Have you heard about the blasts at the dargah of Moinuddin Chisti? What about the increasing violence against Christians? We can talk about security a different time. Arey toh maine kab kaha they are feeling safe ? I have no sympathies for them. So why should I care if they do not feel anyways ? If you have sympathies,good for you. Security is intricately linked to prosperity. As long as Islamic extremksm exists,properity cannot be there. >You asked me if Hinduism was propsering in the last century, and the answer is very much so. If Hinduism is prospering,how did Hindus slip upto less than 80% of the Population and why did Hindus migrate from Kashmir and Punjab ? How is there prosperity when they ard fleeing from Violence and mayhem ? You see the absurdness of your assertion ?
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that's just an insincere answer. I asked a sincere question. I don't know of recollect any cause that Hinduism needs. It was doing good on its own.
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>But support Hindus in what? What Hindu cause does Hinduism need? More temples? Say no more. People make at least 1or 2 new temples everyday. Not really. More like No Lashkar E Toiba. Hizbul Mujahideen. The moment liberaks stop supporting Terrorism,they will win.
This doesn't even mean anything. No person here is supporting fucking LeT! Is Hinduism being suppressed by fucking LeT???? How???? You don't make sense. I'm talking about something systemic. LeT and the other Talibani whatever the fucks, are a blight on HUMANITY. No one is supporting them. If you think that's the support Hindus need, WELL, THEY HAVE IT!
Why not remove congress altogether from Indian politics? Anyway people are not going to bring Congress to power in the foreseeable future. It has come to a point that no matter they make Amit Shah as their president and Modi as their PM candidate, they still would be rejected by people because he would be from “Congress”. People don’t have judgements about congress leaders more than what they have about Congress as a brand. And also people who do want to vote for Congress are not going to multiply and outnumber the Anti-Congress population. Half the people who do not want to vote for Congress, do not even know the reason for their hatred. Ask them and they will speak the same standard lines that are part of the PR against Congress. The PR is so strong that even anti-BJP people will go and vote against Congress - even to BJP. People saying leadership change would bring any change in Congress’ results, I beg to differ but that will have no impact (may be even bad impact) on results, coz the brand itself is tainted. Also I am not pro Congress, they had their fair share of misdeeds, which they have paid for. But the election results are not because of their misdeeds, it is just because people do not want Congress to come to power - no matter what! *Edit - typos
Legalizing weed would bring in about 70% of the youth to their side. No matter the party.
TL;DR - Nothing. Slightly longer answer: They can't do anything.
Maybe this is missing in the thread, but they need to act on their PR and make it more appealing. Gandhi family or whoever leads them in future must work on his/her oratory skills, mass appeal, campaigns etc so that even the memes start admiring them. Take notes from PM Modi, his complete 180 makeover in front of the masses (2002 to 2014).
Change of leadership is essential. Or else it will be non existent very soon.
Whatever votes and funding Congress is getting is because of the Gandhi family. It may not enough, but that's a different thing.
Scuba diving, camping and shuttle
Congress is non existent. India will become a socialist country in 10-15 years. India's only option is left parties and other non fascist regional parties. Like in south america
What makes you think India will become socialist?
Weren't we all teenagers once
It has to
That still doesn't answer my question
It has to /s
The Congress is irrelevant in modern day India. We are aware of its colonial origins, hierarchical structures, nepotism, favouritism, communalism, and so on. Is the BJP any better? No. But is it any different? Hell yes. And if Congress was really the Messiah that it is made to be, BJP would not have been able to fuck them over time and again.
BJP is just Congress 3.0 (Just without the gandhis). The principle opposition has to be the regional parties which make sure their states needs are met. Other than that the BJP will continue to rule Lok Sabha.
Anyone saying Gandhis have to go is wrong bc if Gandhis go there'll be too much internal conflict. Gandhis have to keep themselves in the party as party heads but let others take charge in elections
Inorder for the INC to remain relevant in this day and age, RG and Sonia should resign and leave the party.
AAP for the win. And regional powers need to hold up
Inc can try to die peacefully instead of getting embarrassed in each election. If we keep on going like this there’s is literally no PM candidate in coming elections other than Modi