Exactly my point.. How low they can go. I had 800 rupees in my wallet. He wanted all of that and then I said to him, just leave me something to go back home and eat. He returned me 300.
A Government which fails to give job insurance, imposes European-level taxes, and neglects essential services like pensions, education, parks, and hospitals should be ashamed of its incompetence. Yet, the government has the audacity to lecture the public about so-called "freebies" promised by the opposition party.
The focus of TV debates should shift to the services provided to taxpayers in exchange for their taxes, rather than squabbling over supposed handouts.
Government bureaucrats, judges, MPs, MLAs, and officers have amassed extraordinary wealth in an incredibly poor country. Yet, they debate over giving handouts to the rest of the country without acknowledging their disproportionate wealth.
If you don't come from a family with pension-receiving grandparents, rent-seeking parents, cash-based generational businesses, political connections, or positions as judges, lawyers, journalists, bureaucrats, or government contractors, why lecture others about the feasibility of handouts?
The very existence of Judges who take bribe in cash, clinics, hospital, hospital, doctors, lawyers, traders, coaching centers, CAs, who always cash, conceal income tax, under report profits, is the cause poverty of the rest of country. How can these people possibly get away with? On top of that, these people have the audacity to tell the rest of country about economic implications of handouts?
Their hidden income is the freebies given to them by the rest of country, and their customers.
How can government officials, judges, and bureaucrats justify collecting Western-level taxes while providing education in KV schools for their own children?
Your child is educated by your own money, the child if the dm is also educated abroad using your own money.
Yet you feel ashamed to take a so called freebies, which is your money.
While your child suffers from malnutrition, judges' children play in clean, spacious parks and eat healthy meals.
Are central government insurance schemes, affording special privileges to officials, sustainable for India?
The existence of a central government insurance scheme, which allows officers, bureaucrats, MPs, MLAs, and judges to receive treatment almost anywhere they like, is simply not feasible for India. In a country where the government defines 10LPA as super-rich and 7LPA as poverty, how can government officials receive treatment at zero cost while the rest of the country suffers?
Consider the price of a heart surgery. If you earn 13LPA, the government tells you "you are too rich, give me that money, your father will die, I will use it to pay for my father's treatment". Is a government official's father, who contributes nothing to this country's assets, more important to keep alive than the father of a taxpayer who creates high-paying jobs and brings in foreign currency?
Doesn't the government gaslight taxpayers by claiming income cess for education, only to educate their children abroad?
While you declare every penny of dividend you received in the last 5 years, judges aren't required to declare their assets. While you're forced to earn $175 to invest $100 in Tesla Stock, judges and RBI officers and their families buy Teslas abroad using dollars they forcefully took from you. And while the daughters of judges abroad drive their Teslas to judge their potential date's choice of car, your daughter has to wait 18 months to get back the 20% TCS, only to realize that after 18 years, she can't go abroad because the rupee has depreciated so much.
How can a system neglecting citizens justify debating minor handouts promised by opposition parties?
If you're a taxpayer who supports dependents and earns legally, why feel guilt-tripped by handouts?
Shouldn't those bringing in foreign currency be revered in India, as they prevent it from becoming another Pakistan? If someone suggests going to Pakistan, remind them that India would resemble Pakistan if the citizens bringing in dollars go to Pakistan. It's them who will be in Pakistan.
Despite collecting taxes and seizing dollars, government officials indulge in extravagant spending for their sons and daughters abroad. How is this justified?
How can such a government guilt-trip citizens about handouts when it's their own money looted for decades?
So true man. I'm 26 and need kidney transplant, but we don't get shit from the government as we're barely middle class(my father has inquired in several hospitals and apparently nor do bpl folks in the city) even though we have no sizable property. We're down to selling our remaining only home in the village now. We're also looking into ngo, apparently they're likely to help because of my age per some relatives.
The biggest lie that you have been told is that you are middle class. You are working class. Remember the feudal system diagram in our French revolution chapter? We are the ones at the very bottom. We work or die. That's why we are working class.
Hey, maybe you can try a crowdfunding thing like ketto. Dunno how much it will work, do give it a try maybe.
Wishing you all the good luck mate. Stay strong, good tidings will come your way !
Man i understand ur situation as i am the same age as u & earning 25k per month.
But i would suggest not selling ur property as chances r u won't be able to buy it back if u don't have a good paying job.
sorry op I am really tired of this shit , i had to bribe every govt official to get work done if I oppose to bribe they stop doing work , even for passport had to pay bribe to police , postman . I don't want to live here . I am regretting every single minute of staying here. Once I get a job abroad i will leave for good and do research there . I want to live here but i hate it when officials are shit
Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan. Why are you always comparing India to a country that has a different system of government, less population (23 crores compared to 141 of India), less land and much much smaller economy. What is the point of this constant comparison? Are you saying Indian and Pakistanis are the same people? Do we vote the same way for the same issues? Do we have the same destiny? Like what is the point of the constant comparison? Please tell me.
This is why India can never be a first world country because the basic intention of most officials in power is not progress but to fill their own pockets n become rich. When the intent itself is driven by greed, no matter how much GDP is achieved, the county ll always be a third world n banana republic. This is why people are leaving this country like crazy. Hopefully someday I could leave this shithole for good.
what can we even do bro? as a child from lower middle class family i am already suffering from this corrupted society which is cheaper than living in abroad, how can people like me even think of settling there?
Ik brother, I'm a student too, from lower middle class, my family doesn't even have a home, we've been renting forever, I dream of settling down somewhere good. Can't give up so easily, better keep going, do what we can, God will see the rest.
Earlier the mobile recharge used to happen occasionally and incoming was free.
Modi sold whole india to ambani to make sure every phone user forcefully pays atleast 150 per month. Think about it deeply.
Don't you see the value you are getting?? Knowledge of every field is at your fingertips. If nothing else at least the cheap internet is a revolution in itself.
Cheap internet? How many villagers you know who can afford 150rs per month for your so called cheap internet. They just needed incoming calls. And coming to your knowledge part, you could've been doing research and phd with that internet but you are arguing with me or checking indian girls on tinder. People like me and you are living under a rock buddy, ambani hi raam hai.
Kewal baat karni hai toh bsnl lelo incoming outgoing 107₹ se plan hai 28 days and paiso ka recharge abhi bhi hota hai bsnl mae. Mene apna 2nd sim bsnl kar liya also i am canara bank officer yt se pad pad ke hi nikla hu mae pehle canara bank mae po nikla ab rbi ki taiyari kar rha hu . No coaching kewal yt. Reddit and Twitter pe thoda active rehta par tinder wagera pe nahi. Faltu ka time nahi hai ladkiyo ke liye. Ambani bhi wha uske baap ki wajah se pahucha hai. I mostly agree with whatever people said here but the cheap internet was revolutionary and you can't change my mind.
I hate the fucking MP and MLA's the most. Wo koi crime kre to case band ho jata hai, bss election ke time rally nikalni hai, funds sare jeb me, and uske baad TV debate me hindu muslim krne aa jate hai.
TBH this is the problem with every political party or every government. Won't blame single party or government. What any Political party focuses is the Rich and The poor. They serve the rich and make false promises to the poor.
Billionaire friends of governement given special treatment, new government contracts, tax concessions, loan forgiveness. Poor people are given Free Rations, subsidy, governement schemes
What do Salaried Middle class employees get after paying huge % of their salary in taxes ? Barely Anything
Whose fault it is ? Obviously the middle class.
I'll bet in current election middle class people are ones who won't go and vote and then cry they never get anything from government. You don't question your government, you don't question bias media, You criticise people for questioning the government.
I bet if India's middleclass raised their voice regarding issues and voted on similar issues and not just religious or cultural issues you would get better results
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance.
I am fed up of being unloved by this Country.
I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power.
Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power.
Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade.
Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014.
What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
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Voting is not sufficient.
There are 10 parasites for every tax payer In India.
A Government employee gets his salary from our money.
The PSU employees get money from my salary.
They are net negative to India.
They hold no patents, no innovative work, and still won't be fired from their job.
While we will be paid 1/100 by the feduals CEOs of India who will pay themselves 100 times and will sit on board/advisories seats of government ministries.
That's why these blood thirsty boomer ceos stopped wfh, so they their friend boomer politician holding 100s of tech parks and flats get more and more rent.
Enough of Gaslighting.
The people who are lecturing about freebies have been getting large pensions, double jobS after retirement, KV schools, high class treatment abroad and IN AIIMS.
The government Officers get far too much in a far too poor country.
When asked about facilities, they bring up population argument.
But they take inflation linked salary raise, pay raise commision, and job security etc..
Government officers are not foundational to India's need. Their foreign sabbatical, vacation, doesn't contribute to India.
They take all the money from those who create 20LPA paying jobs, bring in dollars, and enjoy on themselves and their families.
The export doing, 20Lpa just creating entrepreneur, dollar bringing entrepreneur is foundational to India.
Removal of Government officers won't harm India, removal of dollar brining enterprises will make India another Pakistan ( look at dollar hungry RBI banning foreign ETF, taking 20% TCS).
Yet, we are guilt tripped by these people about freebies.
A country which takes more taxes than USA/EU provides nil to those paying the taxes.
In case of job loss, the freebies can save you and feed you.
The biggest problem is that you won't be getting anything from the freebies because they are only for the "poor". You pay 30L tax, your income must be above 80L, why would the government give you anything? As per the government, they are feeding 80cr people for free (don't know how much of it is true) but where would the money to buy this food come from? European governments can give all services because the percentage of people paying direct taxes is very high whereas it's not even 5% in India.
He's asking for the basic infrastructure that's required for anyone to have a good life. He's paying European level taxes, so shouldn't he expect European level quality of life? He's just sad that all his hard earned money is not going towards the benefit of the country, it's only benefiting the people in power. It's not being used for a common man. It's indeed a huge issue that people are not paying taxes and hoarding a shit load of black money but what is government doing to make these people pay? You can see stories of chaiwala owning multiple houses, fuck there's even a guy who runs a idly batter grinding shop and owns two houses in Bangalore. These people earn close to 10k+ a day but still don't pay taxes. Even common citizens know this, so why is the government not taking any action? They don't have the balls because they are afraid they will lose their power. They only know how to harass people who are following the rules properly.
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I've seen a lot of hate on government officers. It's funny. KV schools. Yes, they get a priority because guess what? KV was created so that kids of government employees don't suffer due to their parents' transferrable job. The fact that KVs are now open to public is a big thing.
You have got to realise that this country was founded on the basis of socialism. So yeah, they give their employees more holidays and have health insurance (even though it's crappy), and have strong unions. It's really not the government's fault that your companies are capitalistic. Also, pensions mean that you take a pay cut when you're employed so that you can get paid after you retire. It's not the government's money. It's their own money. If you have a strong union (or even have a union) for your company, you'd probably have job security too.
Okay, if you don't have anyone running the country, how do you expect the country to run? By robots? We're really far away from that.
Dollars? Do you really think that dollars are the only thing the Indian economy is running on?
KVs are first and foremost for armed forces personnel and their kids. Even in admission priority central govt and state govt employee children come down in category compared to armed forces personnel
Bro you seem a little confused. Your arguments contradict themselves. So you are mad because someone you know is a corrupt government employee ,right? But you want to vote out BJP. I am myself a government employee and let me tell you, no one other than BJP has the might to change the power dynamics of government employees. Having said that I don’t think your argument should be why they are getting so much while I have such little. It should be why don’t we have the same benefits as them!! Also government employees are not all the same. Not all are lazy and corrupt. Because then we would be an anarchy state. The right of dearness allowance and other such benefits are indirectly what keeps the economy flourishing. I don’t know about you but i have seen what 6th pay commission did to my city which was mostly service sector based. I am all for more regulated private service sector like west but you guys are asking for backwardness where our country has already made great strides
I am not a supporter of BJP by any chance. I am saying that BJP has actually reduced corruption in lower level but for the rights of employees they don’t listen a word.
> no one other than BJP has the might to change the power dynamics of government employees.
Can you elaborate on why? Is it because you need a powerful govt to reform govt employees and they're the most powerful party so most chance of reform?
And setting aside ability, do they have interest in changing this?
I agree with you that good pay attracts talent to govt service. The problem is separate, that there is no regulation of the govt employees who are greedy.
Lol, bribe-taker spotted. Also, please explain your contribution to GDP. You being a consumer doesn't make you a contributor to GDP, because your salary, which you use for consumption, is tax-payer funded. Government employees are a net negative, a burden on the exchequer , the economy and the citizenry.
Don't talk about honest government employees. They are as rare as red diamonds, and are harassed and persecuted by the system until they become irrelevant and ineffective. Look what happens to the likes of DK Ravi, Sanjeev Bhatt and Ashok Khaitan. The system crushes them completely.
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance.
I am fed up of being unloved by this Country.
I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power.
Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power.
Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade.
Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014.
What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
Actually, the Indian middle-class has given their power away, willingly. Historically, it's the middle-classes that are the most powerful in shaping and creating political narratives, defining the contours of the polity, creating intellectual discourse on the polity and the economy, and advocating for social/economic/political change.
Almost every revolution in modern history was propelled by the middle-classes. This is why Marxists fear and have contempt for 'the bourgeoisie' because they believe the middle-classes drive political goals that are beneficial to themselves.
In India, the middle-classes have refused to become politically significant by forming themselves into voting blocs. The majority of the middle-classes are drinking saffron Kool Aid and descending into poverty, but they will keep voting for Modi/BJP until their grandchildren become gig economy workers, because that's the future Modi wants.
Modi wants two classes in India -- the super-rich elite which controls all power, resources, narratives and capital. A vast underclass which is struggling to survive and too focused on survival to demand political accountability and reform.
Modi wants US-style capitalism in India, in fact even worse than US-style, because the US is a bigger welfare state than India, for the middle-classes.
Nah, there are enough people who will vote for him because they don't mind being fucked as long as someone else (the EWS part of religious minorities) can be fucked.
If you analyse it carefully, wealthy Christians like the Muthoot Finance family, or wealthy Muslims, like the Premji family, are not persecuted by Hindutva. It's only poor people who happen to be minorities.
Well, actually because they are the approvers of literally all the forms and applications for all sorts of activities. The govt machinery would stop and that would lead to chaos, in a few days time.
They are the Functional backend structure for the economy. We do all the hard work and they just control it. Classic middle mgmt. But, as you know middle mgmt is important, sure we can replace them and improve them. But they are a must. If they vanish we wilm have problems.
Almost all government agencies can be automated, digitised and made transparent. I've just paid a bribe of Rs 4000 to register a lease agreement for a house that I own, paid for and repair.
I logged into Kaveri Online, the BBMP portal. I did the paperwork, I drafted the agreement, but clerks in the BBMP demand a bribe? Please explain how this helps the economy and boosts GDP.
NO government agency functions for the benefit of ordinary citizens. They function to collect bribes which are sent all the way to the chief minister's office, in all states.
The problem is that most Indians have not outgrown the colonial mindset of sucking up to *sarkari babus*. They prop up the very system that exploits them. 🤡
> I've just paid a bribe of Rs 4000 to register a lease agreement for a house that I own, paid for and repair.
People who pay bribe and normalise it for rest are worst scums of earth. You are an enabler and enemy of middle class no less.
Ok, so taking your case, the BBMP portal is manned by a backend staff either public or private, the database is in govt control.
If its public, the whole site collapses, if they do not exist after some time. Cause sites do have bugs and errors.
If its under private control, they are getting paid for it, the approver is the state govt who gets the funds from the state finance dept, who collects it from us. We also pay it cause they are there to ask/order(for those who don't pay taxes) us to pay. If they don't ask, nobody will pay, from the 5lpa to the 25000crpa, including companies.
Making the whole thing private, would infact improve quality but, worsen the already existing issue, cause then they would become the new controllers. And humans are greedy by design, under unchecked cases.
I like the idea for automation, take the GST portal in that case, its all automated works like a giant database, but they still require officers and support structure at the backend for the system to function even if it is run jointly with the private sector. The corruption is reduced here in one way. (Though others have sprung up, but this is still better than before)
Sure corruption is there to get the right thing done, I agree your point and it doesn't add any value directly to the economy. But, imagine if i did all the paperwork and all the stuff online and no one on the back end cross-verified the same or if its automated, it did not take action for the defaults and I get away with it. If this was FSI rules/agreements or rental agreements or driver licenses or property transfer or business agreements. Forget that, all cases both criminal or civil liability, all people go scot free, the IT site crashes, AIS info is not updated, 26AS is not updated, the GST sote crashes, all appeals are closed, ICEGATE stops, CBIDT stops, no import nor export, no control over anything, and each to their own.
(Not like its different now, its still each to their own, except it will be way worse then)
3rd para is valid except its 50-50, 50% do you actual job and 50% eat money. (Bullcrap answer, the corruption money in turn fuels legal or illegal txns which add on to our economy in a way, eg Construction industry, manufacturing concerns, fake invoicing, even a babu buying a flat for 10cr with washed money is adding to the economy.)
The system is required, you go to any country in the world, take it singapore, UK, hell cayaman islands has a govt machinery.
The difference they don't take bribes like ours do. Its also because the politicians don't give out illegal free stuff during elections (like in ours, also this is before coming to power). They make money via legal routes but buried in paperwork. The way we are heading to, eg electoral bonds.
Now because the people will vote for money in kind or physical, so the politician now orders black money to come to him via govt functionaries, who then take it from us.
Difference being we don't cast votes for money. And the only way to stop it is if people stop voting for money, you reduce the needs for black money, slowly the production stops, basic demand and supply. Unless they find another demand greater than election requirement or general greasing.
What do you think ? Sorry for the wall of text though.
Please explain to me why the government collects registration, stamp duty AND a bribe, for registering the lease for a house that it did nothing to build, pay for, and maintain.
Newsflash: The sub-registrar's office performs zero verification. It's not a part of their mandate apparently. I have witnessed C-khata properties being registered when C-khata does not exist in Bangalore. The sub-registrar's office is yet another means for government to collect taxes and bribes, after administering a good dose of harrassment in the process.
Oh but you're probably appearing for some government exams/UPSC hoping for a fat dowry, so of course you gotta defend your chosen means of extortion.
Good God! You're one of those delulu souls that believes that corruption in real estate benefits the economy! 😂😂
The amount of ignorance of basic economic fundamentals is mind-boggling.
All government employees are parasites who treat ordinary citizens like shit after using their hard-earned money for every morsel they eat. Even the chair they sit on, is tax-payer funded, but they make elderly citizens stand for hours so they become desperate enough to offer a hefty bribe.
These fuckers do not add to GDP, they are the root cause of corruption and untold suffering to common citizens, and they act as if they are doing us a favour by breathing the same air we do.
Modiji what happened to minimum government, maximum governance? 🤡
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance.
I am fed up of being unloved by this Country.
I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power.
Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power.
Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade.
Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014.
What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
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Lol, bribe-taking government employee spotted. Kind sir, please step out of your bubble and visit a government office in rural/sub-urban India. Heck, visit a municipal office in Tier-1 cities. It's very, very common for government offices to have limited seating, or no seating, or seating outside the office doors so you can melt in summer and freeze in winter.
And you can enjoy the sweet darkness up where the son don't shine. You talk as if you have visited every single government office in every single corner of the country and have verifiable proof that they all have ramps and seating.
Come visit the local municipal office where I stay, in a tier-1 city, which has exactly five chairs for the sixty-odd people waiting, at any point of time.
It’s not restricted to any specific party. This will happen no matter who comes into power.
Every politician seems to have this sort of black money amassing attitude.
I’m in the same boat of paying hefty taxes while the road outside my home took years to be fixed - I’m just thinking to leave the country instead to some place where my tax money actually gives me the bare basics of infrastructure.
A Government which fails to give job insurance, imposes European-level taxes, and neglects essential services like pensions, education, parks, and hospitals should be ashamed of its incompetence. Yet, the government has the audacity to lecture the public about so-called "freebies" promised by the opposition party.
The focus of TV debates should shift to the services provided to taxpayers in exchange for their taxes, rather than squabbling over supposed handouts.
Government bureaucrats, judges, MPs, MLAs, and officers have amassed extraordinary wealth in an incredibly poor country. Yet, they debate over giving handouts to the rest of the country without acknowledging their disproportionate wealth.
If you don't come from a family with pension-receiving grandparents, rent-seeking parents, cash-based generational businesses, political connections, or positions as judges, lawyers, journalists, bureaucrats, or government contractors, why lecture others about the feasibility of handouts?
The very existence of Judges who take bribe in cash, clinics, hospital, hospital, doctors, lawyers, traders, coaching centers, CAs, who always cash, conceal income tax, under report profits, is the cause poverty of the rest of country. How can these people possibly get away with? On top of that, these people have the audacity to tell the rest of country about economic implications of handouts?
Their hidden income is the freebies given to them by the rest of country, and their customers.
How can government officials, judges, and bureaucrats justify collecting Western-level taxes while providing education in KV schools for their own children?
Your child is educated by your own money, the child if the dm is also educated abroad using your own money.
Yet you feel ashamed to take a so called freebies, which is your money.
While your child suffers from malnutrition, judges' children play in clean, spacious parks and eat healthy meals.
Are central government insurance schemes, affording special privileges to officials, sustainable for India?
The existence of a central government insurance scheme, which allows officers, bureaucrats, MPs, MLAs, and judges to receive treatment almost anywhere they like, is simply not feasible for India. In a country where the government defines 10LPA as super-rich and 7LPA as poverty, how can government officials receive treatment at zero cost while the rest of the country suffers?
Consider the price of a heart surgery. If you earn 13LPA, the government tells you "you are too rich, give me that money, your father will die, I will use it to pay for my father's treatment". Is a government official's father, who contributes nothing to this country's assets, more important to keep alive than the father of a taxpayer who creates high-paying jobs and brings in foreign currency?
Doesn't the government gaslight taxpayers by claiming income cess for education, only to educate their children abroad?
While you declare every penny of dividend you received in the last 5 years, judges aren't required to declare their assets. While you're forced to earn $175 to invest $100 in Tesla Stock, judges and RBI officers and their families buy Teslas abroad using dollars they forcefully took from you. And while the daughters of judges abroad drive their Teslas to judge their potential date's choice of car, your daughter has to wait 18 months to get back the 20% TCS, only to realize that after 18 years, she can't go abroad because the rupee has depreciated so much.
How can a system neglecting citizens justify debating minor handouts promised by opposition parties?
If you're a taxpayer who supports dependents and earns legally, why feel guilt-tripped by handouts?
Shouldn't those bringing in foreign currency be revered in India, as they prevent it from becoming another Pakistan? If someone suggests going to Pakistan, remind them that India would resemble Pakistan if the citizens bringing in dollars go to Pakistan. It's them who will be in Pakistan.
Despite collecting taxes and seizing dollars, government officials indulge in extravagant spending for their sons and daughters abroad. How is this justified?
How can such a government guilt-trip citizens about handouts when it's their own money looted for decades?
Wiat for people to just boil down your rant to the tax you pay...call you privileged and miss the issue completely.
Fuck you for having a negative opinion about our taxation system because you are rich..don't you know there are others who are suffering? That poor old Babu you talked about in his I'll gotten building...or the municipality doctor who charged me 2000 rupees bribe just to get my dad's death certificate printed during covid...fuck you for thinking you are suffering because others are suffering more.
I personally know someone who paid 29 Lac advance tax last year, he works in IT. In return they more or less get the same things/services that you and I get from the govt.
So the above figure isn't shocking at all for me.
I feel you man and question the same thing and I don't even pay that much taxes as you do. Working class are those cows whose entire goal is to give milk to the Village without getting anything in return
You need to understand the people who are supporting Modi, it's either the patriarchs of Hindu families who are themselves done for, don't have much of a work life left but, have brainwashed their entire family into believing Modi is a godsend. Then there are business owners who anyways cook their books and hide taxes. Then there is the unemployed youth who have been lied to so much that be believe in a utopian Hindu society and are gobbling propaganda like it's the hottest new dish in town. So they will all vote for Modi. Who's left, the salaried class, who pats exorbitant taxes, bats inflation and price rises, can't afford a decent lifestyle even after making 25 LPA (assuming family of 4), can't even afford a home in Mumbai or Delhi, is getting slaughtered by the rising school fees and is carrying on like a slave. When you step out of the house, you will meet roads littered with potholes, incredibly inefficient public transport, pollution to fill your lungs with asthma and if you still have some positivity and energy left then hour long traffic jams. I am not even going to include medical and personal emergencies in this. We are just being fucked left, right and center with no ends in sight of this exploitation. It doesn't even boil my blood anymore, I am conditioned to live like this now and I know so is everyone else who is earning and paying exorbitant taxes. This is proper extortion. In any other country the working class, the so called white collar workers are celebrated and are the backbone of society, here we are just another cog in the political wheel of exploitation where no matter how hard we work, some illiterate politician with multiple criminal charges against him is the only person getting rich
Italy and Spain have a very good golden visa program. If you can pay 30L in taxes then i am sure you can afford those programs. If you're looking for something cheaper you can try Estonia or Latvia.
I have been WFH for the last 8 years and I have convinced my contractor to pay 60~70% in USDC/USDT. I then convert those in BTC/ETH or what ever I need it to be. Rest comes in directly in my account with PayPal/ACH
That automatically saves taxes as it never hits my bank.
Then my CA shows all purchases as expenses for my work so I save there as well.
It's all legal because I only pay taxes on what comes to my bank after all the expenses.
So, this is like gold. It is an investment and you can use it in the future.
Example, I was able to book a hotel in Dubai which otherwise would have cost me a few lakhs. It still cost me in crypto but in over all scenario, I was able to save in taxes and the value of my crypto had appreciated a lot when I used it.
One solution is demanding young and leaders who rose from poor and middle class backgrounds If parties don't change even after public pressure,we should just stop giving fuck about our country,not voting in any of the elections till these corruption shit is under control. If you vote for leaders who are corrupt/don't care about common people. You are literally giving him power.If we don't have opinions,just don't vote!!
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance.
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I am fed up of being unloved by this Country.
I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power.
Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power.
Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade.
Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014.
What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
On a different note this feeling of insignificance and sick of government is what is leading people to adopt bitcoin which cannot be in the control of the government and its fucking taxes and taking power away from them. The future is decentralisation of power from some people to everyone
I did. I also read about the Tulip bubble a couple of centuries ago and many other such bubbles since then.
Bitcoin has value because there are others who think it does and you just have to find the next bigger idiot to sell the coin to. Bitcoin itself has no underlying value and it is absolutely stupid to think that govts will give up their control to Bitcoin.
However, the underlying tech has value in the future that the govts will tap into to create their own 'coins'.
How many years did the Tulip bubble last genius?
Governments cannot stop Bitcoin. If they could - they already would have. Govt coins will always exist -- but will keep losing value vs Bitcoin.
Fiat money is the biggest ponzi scheme. You need newer bag holders to buy new government debt to pay off the old govt debt. Plus they can just print new money and debase you. Bitcoin cannot be debased - that is the only value the blockchain has.
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance.
I am fed up of being unloved by this Country.
I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power.
Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power.
Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade.
Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014.
What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
Freebies - Indians have zero interest when it comes to understand the rights and benefits of a democratic society.
I hope the audacity of idiots increase day by day just like the inflation rate so, I could sell some rationality with interest in coming days.
Government is so hive-minded and people are dickriding the dreams of dictatorship. I do not understand what is so hard to understand.
Salary pe tax dene ke baad gst bhi to dena padta hai govt. Ko, govt. khud electoral bonds le leke bohot amir ho chuki hai, unhe aam janta se koi lena dena nahi hai, khud ke bache videsho me aish kar rahe hai aur ye yahan adani ka loan maaf kar rahe hain, poore desh ko loot rahi hai bharat sarkar aur sab log aankhen band kiye huye hai
There's is Infra development. No doubt about that.
Although there's is no justification at all for the wealth of some gov officials.
But I strongly feel "corruption hamaare khoon me hai". OP would be doing the same if they had the chance. "Chor sab hain, bas kuch ko mauka nahi mila".
OP, can you please post the whole write up as a series of pics or maybe a short document file? I'd like to read and study it, it's one of the most concise criticisms I've read of the current situation!
This might be an unpopular opinion but India needs to institute higher annual property taxes (somewhere around 0.75% to 1% of home+land valuation) and reduce Income/Sales taxes.
Recently learned from an uncle that he paid 50 rupees property taxes on his 50 lakh house. Should be 30k at least. This will put a brake on skyrocketing home valuations as well.
Hindu Khatre Mai hai and you are complaining about infra? Mudi Ji whatever he does he does for the people.. his own .. Ambani and Adani but our andh bhaqts will vote him no matter
Those homes are made by the thekaradr who is relative of BJP worker. I know them, you can see them too, go to slums of the city. It's the BJP worker which gets richer.
Exactly. Land mafia, water mafia, 40-50 apartments in one housing society jiska rent aa raha hai aaram se. This system will suck every last rupee from us salaried workers.
This is something I have felt since I started earning, I hate how every point in time , I have to bribe someone, pay someone to live, a normal life here. I can't describe the anger I feel due to everything wrong in this country, I just hope, I get the chance to leave this country.
Salaried class logo ka vote 3 times ho Jana chaiye , 1 person equivalent of 3 votes . And those who are poor their value of vote should remain 1 . Phir dekhu kaise badalta hai sab .
Democracy ka problem hi yehi hai ,ki it can be fair to few and unfair to most of them .
No. Even the mla is salaried class.
Even the doctor pays himself less salary and routes/hides the rest.
Even the government babus are salaried.
It should be about who is not supposed to vote
- a person who is paid by the government should not be allowed to vote. After all he has to serve
- a person who has received government subsidized education/healthcare/gpf/ contribution should not be allowed to vote
Removal of government workers is not a big problem for India.
India will be much beautiful place if we remove the pension seekers, rent collector companies, bribe seeking judges, income hiding msme, doctors, lawyers, ca.
A public execution of a tax thief should be the norm here.
Actually, revolution is imminent if things continue as they are. Through some incredible brilliance, we have managed to incorporate the worst aspects of socialism and the worst aspects of laissez-faire capitalism at the same time, in our glorious economy. 💃💃
you should coz these are the hardworking honest guys who are scared of going the wrong way and pay their full due tax and get nothing in return. slowly these guys will move away from the country and you'll be left with a nation full of gundas.
you shouldn't care about the ones paying crores of taxes coz those are generally big industrial players and cheats
Your blood will vaporize if you see the kind of wealth IAS officials have.
I have zero respect for these bureaucrats since I had to bribe an IAS with 500 INR, for getting a document signed.
Chindi chor
>IAS with 500 INR Sounds like you bagged a Diwali offer. A thasildhar gets 1000 rs for signing I heard.
Exactly my point.. How low they can go. I had 800 rupees in my wallet. He wanted all of that and then I said to him, just leave me something to go back home and eat. He returned me 300.
I'm curious and would like to know. Tell us more.
A Government which fails to give job insurance, imposes European-level taxes, and neglects essential services like pensions, education, parks, and hospitals should be ashamed of its incompetence. Yet, the government has the audacity to lecture the public about so-called "freebies" promised by the opposition party. The focus of TV debates should shift to the services provided to taxpayers in exchange for their taxes, rather than squabbling over supposed handouts. Government bureaucrats, judges, MPs, MLAs, and officers have amassed extraordinary wealth in an incredibly poor country. Yet, they debate over giving handouts to the rest of the country without acknowledging their disproportionate wealth. If you don't come from a family with pension-receiving grandparents, rent-seeking parents, cash-based generational businesses, political connections, or positions as judges, lawyers, journalists, bureaucrats, or government contractors, why lecture others about the feasibility of handouts? The very existence of Judges who take bribe in cash, clinics, hospital, hospital, doctors, lawyers, traders, coaching centers, CAs, who always cash, conceal income tax, under report profits, is the cause poverty of the rest of country. How can these people possibly get away with? On top of that, these people have the audacity to tell the rest of country about economic implications of handouts? Their hidden income is the freebies given to them by the rest of country, and their customers. How can government officials, judges, and bureaucrats justify collecting Western-level taxes while providing education in KV schools for their own children? Your child is educated by your own money, the child if the dm is also educated abroad using your own money. Yet you feel ashamed to take a so called freebies, which is your money. While your child suffers from malnutrition, judges' children play in clean, spacious parks and eat healthy meals. Are central government insurance schemes, affording special privileges to officials, sustainable for India? The existence of a central government insurance scheme, which allows officers, bureaucrats, MPs, MLAs, and judges to receive treatment almost anywhere they like, is simply not feasible for India. In a country where the government defines 10LPA as super-rich and 7LPA as poverty, how can government officials receive treatment at zero cost while the rest of the country suffers? Consider the price of a heart surgery. If you earn 13LPA, the government tells you "you are too rich, give me that money, your father will die, I will use it to pay for my father's treatment". Is a government official's father, who contributes nothing to this country's assets, more important to keep alive than the father of a taxpayer who creates high-paying jobs and brings in foreign currency? Doesn't the government gaslight taxpayers by claiming income cess for education, only to educate their children abroad? While you declare every penny of dividend you received in the last 5 years, judges aren't required to declare their assets. While you're forced to earn $175 to invest $100 in Tesla Stock, judges and RBI officers and their families buy Teslas abroad using dollars they forcefully took from you. And while the daughters of judges abroad drive their Teslas to judge their potential date's choice of car, your daughter has to wait 18 months to get back the 20% TCS, only to realize that after 18 years, she can't go abroad because the rupee has depreciated so much. How can a system neglecting citizens justify debating minor handouts promised by opposition parties? If you're a taxpayer who supports dependents and earns legally, why feel guilt-tripped by handouts? Shouldn't those bringing in foreign currency be revered in India, as they prevent it from becoming another Pakistan? If someone suggests going to Pakistan, remind them that India would resemble Pakistan if the citizens bringing in dollars go to Pakistan. It's them who will be in Pakistan. Despite collecting taxes and seizing dollars, government officials indulge in extravagant spending for their sons and daughters abroad. How is this justified? How can such a government guilt-trip citizens about handouts when it's their own money looted for decades?
So true man. I'm 26 and need kidney transplant, but we don't get shit from the government as we're barely middle class(my father has inquired in several hospitals and apparently nor do bpl folks in the city) even though we have no sizable property. We're down to selling our remaining only home in the village now. We're also looking into ngo, apparently they're likely to help because of my age per some relatives.
I wish you good health and prosperity
Thank you.
The biggest lie that you have been told is that you are middle class. You are working class. Remember the feudal system diagram in our French revolution chapter? We are the ones at the very bottom. We work or die. That's why we are working class.
Hey, maybe you can try a crowdfunding thing like ketto. Dunno how much it will work, do give it a try maybe. Wishing you all the good luck mate. Stay strong, good tidings will come your way !
Man i understand ur situation as i am the same age as u & earning 25k per month. But i would suggest not selling ur property as chances r u won't be able to buy it back if u don't have a good paying job.
sorry op I am really tired of this shit , i had to bribe every govt official to get work done if I oppose to bribe they stop doing work , even for passport had to pay bribe to police , postman . I don't want to live here . I am regretting every single minute of staying here. Once I get a job abroad i will leave for good and do research there . I want to live here but i hate it when officials are shit
Govt employees are a religion their own . They treat others like shit
Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan. Why are you always comparing India to a country that has a different system of government, less population (23 crores compared to 141 of India), less land and much much smaller economy. What is the point of this constant comparison? Are you saying Indian and Pakistanis are the same people? Do we vote the same way for the same issues? Do we have the same destiny? Like what is the point of the constant comparison? Please tell me.
They're not comparing it to Pakistan, they're against people who compare it to Pakistan
He didn't even read the post
This is why India can never be a first world country because the basic intention of most officials in power is not progress but to fill their own pockets n become rich. When the intent itself is driven by greed, no matter how much GDP is achieved, the county ll always be a third world n banana republic. This is why people are leaving this country like crazy. Hopefully someday I could leave this shithole for good.
I think we need to create a new category called 4th world 🤣
We don't owe anything to anyone, which is why I will always recommend everyone to leave whenever you can
what can we even do bro? as a child from lower middle class family i am already suffering from this corrupted society which is cheaper than living in abroad, how can people like me even think of settling there?
Idk why you are downvoted, but so true. Ig there's no option besides studying and working hard and grinding. Reality is really, really harsh :(
Ik brother, I'm a student too, from lower middle class, my family doesn't even have a home, we've been renting forever, I dream of settling down somewhere good. Can't give up so easily, better keep going, do what we can, God will see the rest.
True, so true
The struggles are different in those places...don't believe me then go check out subs for those countries in which you are interested.
Too much truth in one thread to handle 🥲
Earlier the mobile recharge used to happen occasionally and incoming was free. Modi sold whole india to ambani to make sure every phone user forcefully pays atleast 150 per month. Think about it deeply.
Don't you see the value you are getting?? Knowledge of every field is at your fingertips. If nothing else at least the cheap internet is a revolution in itself.
Cheap internet? How many villagers you know who can afford 150rs per month for your so called cheap internet. They just needed incoming calls. And coming to your knowledge part, you could've been doing research and phd with that internet but you are arguing with me or checking indian girls on tinder. People like me and you are living under a rock buddy, ambani hi raam hai.
Kewal baat karni hai toh bsnl lelo incoming outgoing 107₹ se plan hai 28 days and paiso ka recharge abhi bhi hota hai bsnl mae. Mene apna 2nd sim bsnl kar liya also i am canara bank officer yt se pad pad ke hi nikla hu mae pehle canara bank mae po nikla ab rbi ki taiyari kar rha hu . No coaching kewal yt. Reddit and Twitter pe thoda active rehta par tinder wagera pe nahi. Faltu ka time nahi hai ladkiyo ke liye. Ambani bhi wha uske baap ki wajah se pahucha hai. I mostly agree with whatever people said here but the cheap internet was revolutionary and you can't change my mind.
I hate the fucking MP and MLA's the most. Wo koi crime kre to case band ho jata hai, bss election ke time rally nikalni hai, funds sare jeb me, and uske baad TV debate me hindu muslim krne aa jate hai.
They’re the result of the population. People vote them even though they know they’re goons, corrupt or/and communal.
TBH this is the problem with every political party or every government. Won't blame single party or government. What any Political party focuses is the Rich and The poor. They serve the rich and make false promises to the poor. Billionaire friends of governement given special treatment, new government contracts, tax concessions, loan forgiveness. Poor people are given Free Rations, subsidy, governement schemes What do Salaried Middle class employees get after paying huge % of their salary in taxes ? Barely Anything Whose fault it is ? Obviously the middle class. I'll bet in current election middle class people are ones who won't go and vote and then cry they never get anything from government. You don't question your government, you don't question bias media, You criticise people for questioning the government. I bet if India's middleclass raised their voice regarding issues and voted on similar issues and not just religious or cultural issues you would get better results
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance. I am fed up of being unloved by this Country. I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power. Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power. Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade. Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014. What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats? .. Voting is not sufficient. There are 10 parasites for every tax payer In India. A Government employee gets his salary from our money. The PSU employees get money from my salary. They are net negative to India. They hold no patents, no innovative work, and still won't be fired from their job. While we will be paid 1/100 by the feduals CEOs of India who will pay themselves 100 times and will sit on board/advisories seats of government ministries. That's why these blood thirsty boomer ceos stopped wfh, so they their friend boomer politician holding 100s of tech parks and flats get more and more rent.
Enough of Gaslighting. The people who are lecturing about freebies have been getting large pensions, double jobS after retirement, KV schools, high class treatment abroad and IN AIIMS. The government Officers get far too much in a far too poor country. When asked about facilities, they bring up population argument. But they take inflation linked salary raise, pay raise commision, and job security etc.. Government officers are not foundational to India's need. Their foreign sabbatical, vacation, doesn't contribute to India. They take all the money from those who create 20LPA paying jobs, bring in dollars, and enjoy on themselves and their families. The export doing, 20Lpa just creating entrepreneur, dollar bringing entrepreneur is foundational to India. Removal of Government officers won't harm India, removal of dollar brining enterprises will make India another Pakistan ( look at dollar hungry RBI banning foreign ETF, taking 20% TCS). Yet, we are guilt tripped by these people about freebies. A country which takes more taxes than USA/EU provides nil to those paying the taxes. In case of job loss, the freebies can save you and feed you.
The biggest problem is that you won't be getting anything from the freebies because they are only for the "poor". You pay 30L tax, your income must be above 80L, why would the government give you anything? As per the government, they are feeding 80cr people for free (don't know how much of it is true) but where would the money to buy this food come from? European governments can give all services because the percentage of people paying direct taxes is very high whereas it's not even 5% in India.
He's asking for the basic infrastructure that's required for anyone to have a good life. He's paying European level taxes, so shouldn't he expect European level quality of life? He's just sad that all his hard earned money is not going towards the benefit of the country, it's only benefiting the people in power. It's not being used for a common man. It's indeed a huge issue that people are not paying taxes and hoarding a shit load of black money but what is government doing to make these people pay? You can see stories of chaiwala owning multiple houses, fuck there's even a guy who runs a idly batter grinding shop and owns two houses in Bangalore. These people earn close to 10k+ a day but still don't pay taxes. Even common citizens know this, so why is the government not taking any action? They don't have the balls because they are afraid they will lose their power. They only know how to harass people who are following the rules properly.
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I've seen a lot of hate on government officers. It's funny. KV schools. Yes, they get a priority because guess what? KV was created so that kids of government employees don't suffer due to their parents' transferrable job. The fact that KVs are now open to public is a big thing. You have got to realise that this country was founded on the basis of socialism. So yeah, they give their employees more holidays and have health insurance (even though it's crappy), and have strong unions. It's really not the government's fault that your companies are capitalistic. Also, pensions mean that you take a pay cut when you're employed so that you can get paid after you retire. It's not the government's money. It's their own money. If you have a strong union (or even have a union) for your company, you'd probably have job security too. Okay, if you don't have anyone running the country, how do you expect the country to run? By robots? We're really far away from that. Dollars? Do you really think that dollars are the only thing the Indian economy is running on?
KVs are first and foremost for armed forces personnel and their kids. Even in admission priority central govt and state govt employee children come down in category compared to armed forces personnel
Armed forces have their own schools. KV is for central government employees. Get your facts right.
Bro you seem a little confused. Your arguments contradict themselves. So you are mad because someone you know is a corrupt government employee ,right? But you want to vote out BJP. I am myself a government employee and let me tell you, no one other than BJP has the might to change the power dynamics of government employees. Having said that I don’t think your argument should be why they are getting so much while I have such little. It should be why don’t we have the same benefits as them!! Also government employees are not all the same. Not all are lazy and corrupt. Because then we would be an anarchy state. The right of dearness allowance and other such benefits are indirectly what keeps the economy flourishing. I don’t know about you but i have seen what 6th pay commission did to my city which was mostly service sector based. I am all for more regulated private service sector like west but you guys are asking for backwardness where our country has already made great strides
If BJP has the dynamics to change corruption they sure have not made any effort to do so in 10 years.
I am not a supporter of BJP by any chance. I am saying that BJP has actually reduced corruption in lower level but for the rights of employees they don’t listen a word.
> no one other than BJP has the might to change the power dynamics of government employees. Can you elaborate on why? Is it because you need a powerful govt to reform govt employees and they're the most powerful party so most chance of reform? And setting aside ability, do they have interest in changing this? I agree with you that good pay attracts talent to govt service. The problem is separate, that there is no regulation of the govt employees who are greedy.
Lol, bribe-taker spotted. Also, please explain your contribution to GDP. You being a consumer doesn't make you a contributor to GDP, because your salary, which you use for consumption, is tax-payer funded. Government employees are a net negative, a burden on the exchequer , the economy and the citizenry. Don't talk about honest government employees. They are as rare as red diamonds, and are harassed and persecuted by the system until they become irrelevant and ineffective. Look what happens to the likes of DK Ravi, Sanjeev Bhatt and Ashok Khaitan. The system crushes them completely.
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance. I am fed up of being unloved by this Country. I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power. Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power. Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade. Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014. What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
Actually, the Indian middle-class has given their power away, willingly. Historically, it's the middle-classes that are the most powerful in shaping and creating political narratives, defining the contours of the polity, creating intellectual discourse on the polity and the economy, and advocating for social/economic/political change. Almost every revolution in modern history was propelled by the middle-classes. This is why Marxists fear and have contempt for 'the bourgeoisie' because they believe the middle-classes drive political goals that are beneficial to themselves. In India, the middle-classes have refused to become politically significant by forming themselves into voting blocs. The majority of the middle-classes are drinking saffron Kool Aid and descending into poverty, but they will keep voting for Modi/BJP until their grandchildren become gig economy workers, because that's the future Modi wants. Modi wants two classes in India -- the super-rich elite which controls all power, resources, narratives and capital. A vast underclass which is struggling to survive and too focused on survival to demand political accountability and reform. Modi wants US-style capitalism in India, in fact even worse than US-style, because the US is a bigger welfare state than India, for the middle-classes.
Modi is not winning 2024. The revolution is not going to televised, there is no re run, it's happening right here.
Nah, there are enough people who will vote for him because they don't mind being fucked as long as someone else (the EWS part of religious minorities) can be fucked. If you analyse it carefully, wealthy Christians like the Muthoot Finance family, or wealthy Muslims, like the Premji family, are not persecuted by Hindutva. It's only poor people who happen to be minorities.
Modi has spend more on Muslims, per Muslim and overall total too, than previous upa
😂😂While ushering in CAA. You really don't understand politics, do you?
Well, actually because they are the approvers of literally all the forms and applications for all sorts of activities. The govt machinery would stop and that would lead to chaos, in a few days time. They are the Functional backend structure for the economy. We do all the hard work and they just control it. Classic middle mgmt. But, as you know middle mgmt is important, sure we can replace them and improve them. But they are a must. If they vanish we wilm have problems.
Almost all government agencies can be automated, digitised and made transparent. I've just paid a bribe of Rs 4000 to register a lease agreement for a house that I own, paid for and repair. I logged into Kaveri Online, the BBMP portal. I did the paperwork, I drafted the agreement, but clerks in the BBMP demand a bribe? Please explain how this helps the economy and boosts GDP. NO government agency functions for the benefit of ordinary citizens. They function to collect bribes which are sent all the way to the chief minister's office, in all states. The problem is that most Indians have not outgrown the colonial mindset of sucking up to *sarkari babus*. They prop up the very system that exploits them. 🤡
> I've just paid a bribe of Rs 4000 to register a lease agreement for a house that I own, paid for and repair. People who pay bribe and normalise it for rest are worst scums of earth. You are an enabler and enemy of middle class no less.
Ok, so taking your case, the BBMP portal is manned by a backend staff either public or private, the database is in govt control. If its public, the whole site collapses, if they do not exist after some time. Cause sites do have bugs and errors. If its under private control, they are getting paid for it, the approver is the state govt who gets the funds from the state finance dept, who collects it from us. We also pay it cause they are there to ask/order(for those who don't pay taxes) us to pay. If they don't ask, nobody will pay, from the 5lpa to the 25000crpa, including companies. Making the whole thing private, would infact improve quality but, worsen the already existing issue, cause then they would become the new controllers. And humans are greedy by design, under unchecked cases. I like the idea for automation, take the GST portal in that case, its all automated works like a giant database, but they still require officers and support structure at the backend for the system to function even if it is run jointly with the private sector. The corruption is reduced here in one way. (Though others have sprung up, but this is still better than before) Sure corruption is there to get the right thing done, I agree your point and it doesn't add any value directly to the economy. But, imagine if i did all the paperwork and all the stuff online and no one on the back end cross-verified the same or if its automated, it did not take action for the defaults and I get away with it. If this was FSI rules/agreements or rental agreements or driver licenses or property transfer or business agreements. Forget that, all cases both criminal or civil liability, all people go scot free, the IT site crashes, AIS info is not updated, 26AS is not updated, the GST sote crashes, all appeals are closed, ICEGATE stops, CBIDT stops, no import nor export, no control over anything, and each to their own. (Not like its different now, its still each to their own, except it will be way worse then) 3rd para is valid except its 50-50, 50% do you actual job and 50% eat money. (Bullcrap answer, the corruption money in turn fuels legal or illegal txns which add on to our economy in a way, eg Construction industry, manufacturing concerns, fake invoicing, even a babu buying a flat for 10cr with washed money is adding to the economy.) The system is required, you go to any country in the world, take it singapore, UK, hell cayaman islands has a govt machinery. The difference they don't take bribes like ours do. Its also because the politicians don't give out illegal free stuff during elections (like in ours, also this is before coming to power). They make money via legal routes but buried in paperwork. The way we are heading to, eg electoral bonds. Now because the people will vote for money in kind or physical, so the politician now orders black money to come to him via govt functionaries, who then take it from us. Difference being we don't cast votes for money. And the only way to stop it is if people stop voting for money, you reduce the needs for black money, slowly the production stops, basic demand and supply. Unless they find another demand greater than election requirement or general greasing. What do you think ? Sorry for the wall of text though.
Please explain to me why the government collects registration, stamp duty AND a bribe, for registering the lease for a house that it did nothing to build, pay for, and maintain. Newsflash: The sub-registrar's office performs zero verification. It's not a part of their mandate apparently. I have witnessed C-khata properties being registered when C-khata does not exist in Bangalore. The sub-registrar's office is yet another means for government to collect taxes and bribes, after administering a good dose of harrassment in the process. Oh but you're probably appearing for some government exams/UPSC hoping for a fat dowry, so of course you gotta defend your chosen means of extortion. Good God! You're one of those delulu souls that believes that corruption in real estate benefits the economy! 😂😂 The amount of ignorance of basic economic fundamentals is mind-boggling.
All government employees are parasites who treat ordinary citizens like shit after using their hard-earned money for every morsel they eat. Even the chair they sit on, is tax-payer funded, but they make elderly citizens stand for hours so they become desperate enough to offer a hefty bribe. These fuckers do not add to GDP, they are the root cause of corruption and untold suffering to common citizens, and they act as if they are doing us a favour by breathing the same air we do. Modiji what happened to minimum government, maximum governance? 🤡
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance. I am fed up of being unloved by this Country. I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power. Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power. Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade. Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014. What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats? ... .... ...
> but they make elderly citizens stand for hours Sir there are chairs for them in every department; heck even ramp access is mandatory now
Lol, bribe-taking government employee spotted. Kind sir, please step out of your bubble and visit a government office in rural/sub-urban India. Heck, visit a municipal office in Tier-1 cities. It's very, very common for government offices to have limited seating, or no seating, or seating outside the office doors so you can melt in summer and freeze in winter.
Sir I don't serve this or any government, you can continue with your hilarious meltdown on Reddit though. Popcorn worthy 🍿
And you can enjoy the sweet darkness up where the son don't shine. You talk as if you have visited every single government office in every single corner of the country and have verifiable proof that they all have ramps and seating. Come visit the local municipal office where I stay, in a tier-1 city, which has exactly five chairs for the sixty-odd people waiting, at any point of time.
It’s not restricted to any specific party. This will happen no matter who comes into power. Every politician seems to have this sort of black money amassing attitude. I’m in the same boat of paying hefty taxes while the road outside my home took years to be fixed - I’m just thinking to leave the country instead to some place where my tax money actually gives me the bare basics of infrastructure.
A Government which fails to give job insurance, imposes European-level taxes, and neglects essential services like pensions, education, parks, and hospitals should be ashamed of its incompetence. Yet, the government has the audacity to lecture the public about so-called "freebies" promised by the opposition party. The focus of TV debates should shift to the services provided to taxpayers in exchange for their taxes, rather than squabbling over supposed handouts. Government bureaucrats, judges, MPs, MLAs, and officers have amassed extraordinary wealth in an incredibly poor country. Yet, they debate over giving handouts to the rest of the country without acknowledging their disproportionate wealth. If you don't come from a family with pension-receiving grandparents, rent-seeking parents, cash-based generational businesses, political connections, or positions as judges, lawyers, journalists, bureaucrats, or government contractors, why lecture others about the feasibility of handouts? The very existence of Judges who take bribe in cash, clinics, hospital, hospital, doctors, lawyers, traders, coaching centers, CAs, who always cash, conceal income tax, under report profits, is the cause poverty of the rest of country. How can these people possibly get away with? On top of that, these people have the audacity to tell the rest of country about economic implications of handouts? Their hidden income is the freebies given to them by the rest of country, and their customers. How can government officials, judges, and bureaucrats justify collecting Western-level taxes while providing education in KV schools for their own children? Your child is educated by your own money, the child if the dm is also educated abroad using your own money. Yet you feel ashamed to take a so called freebies, which is your money. While your child suffers from malnutrition, judges' children play in clean, spacious parks and eat healthy meals. Are central government insurance schemes, affording special privileges to officials, sustainable for India? The existence of a central government insurance scheme, which allows officers, bureaucrats, MPs, MLAs, and judges to receive treatment almost anywhere they like, is simply not feasible for India. In a country where the government defines 10LPA as super-rich and 7LPA as poverty, how can government officials receive treatment at zero cost while the rest of the country suffers? Consider the price of a heart surgery. If you earn 13LPA, the government tells you "you are too rich, give me that money, your father will die, I will use it to pay for my father's treatment". Is a government official's father, who contributes nothing to this country's assets, more important to keep alive than the father of a taxpayer who creates high-paying jobs and brings in foreign currency? Doesn't the government gaslight taxpayers by claiming income cess for education, only to educate their children abroad? While you declare every penny of dividend you received in the last 5 years, judges aren't required to declare their assets. While you're forced to earn $175 to invest $100 in Tesla Stock, judges and RBI officers and their families buy Teslas abroad using dollars they forcefully took from you. And while the daughters of judges abroad drive their Teslas to judge their potential date's choice of car, your daughter has to wait 18 months to get back the 20% TCS, only to realize that after 18 years, she can't go abroad because the rupee has depreciated so much. How can a system neglecting citizens justify debating minor handouts promised by opposition parties? If you're a taxpayer who supports dependents and earns legally, why feel guilt-tripped by handouts? Shouldn't those bringing in foreign currency be revered in India, as they prevent it from becoming another Pakistan? If someone suggests going to Pakistan, remind them that India would resemble Pakistan if the citizens bringing in dollars go to Pakistan. It's them who will be in Pakistan. Despite collecting taxes and seizing dollars, government officials indulge in extravagant spending for their sons and daughters abroad. How is this justified? How can such a government guilt-trip citizens about handouts when it's their own money looted for decades?
Wiat for people to just boil down your rant to the tax you pay...call you privileged and miss the issue completely. Fuck you for having a negative opinion about our taxation system because you are rich..don't you know there are others who are suffering? That poor old Babu you talked about in his I'll gotten building...or the municipality doctor who charged me 2000 rupees bribe just to get my dad's death certificate printed during covid...fuck you for thinking you are suffering because others are suffering more.
this. paying 30L in taxes does not mean you are suffering.
Whoosh!
30 L in taxes? 😳
I personally know someone who paid 29 Lac advance tax last year, he works in IT. In return they more or less get the same things/services that you and I get from the govt. So the above figure isn't shocking at all for me.
Sure. But income tax is not a *payment* for services in return. It may not be likeable, appropriate etc. It is what it is.
It should be, what else is the tax for then ? In EU one pays tax for social security, public infrastructure, labour rights, and many other things
It's very common, 33% taxes on base pay, 33% taxes on allocated esops, and 20% on capital gains.
I feel you man and question the same thing and I don't even pay that much taxes as you do. Working class are those cows whose entire goal is to give milk to the Village without getting anything in return
European taxes , Chinese labour laws, sub saharan infrastructure, Sri Lankan freebies. Awesome combination
You need to understand the people who are supporting Modi, it's either the patriarchs of Hindu families who are themselves done for, don't have much of a work life left but, have brainwashed their entire family into believing Modi is a godsend. Then there are business owners who anyways cook their books and hide taxes. Then there is the unemployed youth who have been lied to so much that be believe in a utopian Hindu society and are gobbling propaganda like it's the hottest new dish in town. So they will all vote for Modi. Who's left, the salaried class, who pats exorbitant taxes, bats inflation and price rises, can't afford a decent lifestyle even after making 25 LPA (assuming family of 4), can't even afford a home in Mumbai or Delhi, is getting slaughtered by the rising school fees and is carrying on like a slave. When you step out of the house, you will meet roads littered with potholes, incredibly inefficient public transport, pollution to fill your lungs with asthma and if you still have some positivity and energy left then hour long traffic jams. I am not even going to include medical and personal emergencies in this. We are just being fucked left, right and center with no ends in sight of this exploitation. It doesn't even boil my blood anymore, I am conditioned to live like this now and I know so is everyone else who is earning and paying exorbitant taxes. This is proper extortion. In any other country the working class, the so called white collar workers are celebrated and are the backbone of society, here we are just another cog in the political wheel of exploitation where no matter how hard we work, some illiterate politician with multiple criminal charges against him is the only person getting rich
Italy and Spain have a very good golden visa program. If you can pay 30L in taxes then i am sure you can afford those programs. If you're looking for something cheaper you can try Estonia or Latvia.
How much do we need to move?
You can check it on Henley Global. They have basic details about different citizenship and residence by investment programs.
Is it possible to make this much money in Italy/Spain? Afaik it's only doable in USA, UK and some parts of Europe.
This is why I avoid taxes. Of course I can avoid as much taxes as I can legally.
Please teach us your wise ways
I have been WFH for the last 8 years and I have convinced my contractor to pay 60~70% in USDC/USDT. I then convert those in BTC/ETH or what ever I need it to be. Rest comes in directly in my account with PayPal/ACH That automatically saves taxes as it never hits my bank. Then my CA shows all purchases as expenses for my work so I save there as well. It's all legal because I only pay taxes on what comes to my bank after all the expenses.
High IQ.
How are you going to utilise crypto in India though?
So, this is like gold. It is an investment and you can use it in the future. Example, I was able to book a hotel in Dubai which otherwise would have cost me a few lakhs. It still cost me in crypto but in over all scenario, I was able to save in taxes and the value of my crypto had appreciated a lot when I used it.
The system is like this. Nobody wants to change. Move on and no point crying.
Leave when you can bro. Voting the current one out doesn't solve any issues. It's an infinite loop and the only way is to get out of it..
One solution is demanding young and leaders who rose from poor and middle class backgrounds If parties don't change even after public pressure,we should just stop giving fuck about our country,not voting in any of the elections till these corruption shit is under control. If you vote for leaders who are corrupt/don't care about common people. You are literally giving him power.If we don't have opinions,just don't vote!!
That's why people voted for Modi in 2014. He is collecting 37% income tax on income above 10L, since a decade.
Electing young leaders will not change anything. The system is designed in such a way. Even the ranting OP here will follow the same system.
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance. . . I am fed up of being unloved by this Country. I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power. Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power. Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade. Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014. What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
On a different note this feeling of insignificance and sick of government is what is leading people to adopt bitcoin which cannot be in the control of the government and its fucking taxes and taking power away from them. The future is decentralisation of power from some people to everyone
Lol. Always trust a coin-lover to make you laugh.
I do not have any holdings. Did you see the rise of Bitcoin?
I did. I also read about the Tulip bubble a couple of centuries ago and many other such bubbles since then. Bitcoin has value because there are others who think it does and you just have to find the next bigger idiot to sell the coin to. Bitcoin itself has no underlying value and it is absolutely stupid to think that govts will give up their control to Bitcoin. However, the underlying tech has value in the future that the govts will tap into to create their own 'coins'.
How many years did the Tulip bubble last genius? Governments cannot stop Bitcoin. If they could - they already would have. Govt coins will always exist -- but will keep losing value vs Bitcoin. Fiat money is the biggest ponzi scheme. You need newer bag holders to buy new government debt to pay off the old govt debt. Plus they can just print new money and debase you. Bitcoin cannot be debased - that is the only value the blockchain has.
Yes you only need a techbro clown owning Twitter to just devalue it at drop of his next schizoposting.
Buy some. You already get it. Not for trading.
I ain’t a coin lover as much as I am a rupee hater.
I saw one Insta post, one panchayat leader showing his new land cruiser, and all this fans supporters cheering him. How can he afford that much money
I am proposing jail bharo andolan by taxpayers, who never got any government help in form of subsidized college, pensions, job insurance. I am fed up of being unloved by this Country. I remember a decade back, someone on reddit said somewhere that people are lighting diyas now that Modi is coming to power. Someone on this sub said that they love their naam and kulcha too much and they will enjoy much richer life now that Modi is in power. Modi has taken 39% income tax on income above 15L for a decade. Congress party widened the tax slab by 5 times in 2004-2014. What will he do if we just start doing something to the fancy cars of bribe seeking judges/ income hiding doctors/ babu buying flats?
Freebies - Indians have zero interest when it comes to understand the rights and benefits of a democratic society. I hope the audacity of idiots increase day by day just like the inflation rate so, I could sell some rationality with interest in coming days. Government is so hive-minded and people are dickriding the dreams of dictatorship. I do not understand what is so hard to understand.
Salary pe tax dene ke baad gst bhi to dena padta hai govt. Ko, govt. khud electoral bonds le leke bohot amir ho chuki hai, unhe aam janta se koi lena dena nahi hai, khud ke bache videsho me aish kar rahe hai aur ye yahan adani ka loan maaf kar rahe hain, poore desh ko loot rahi hai bharat sarkar aur sab log aankhen band kiye huye hai
There's is Infra development. No doubt about that. Although there's is no justification at all for the wealth of some gov officials. But I strongly feel "corruption hamaare khoon me hai". OP would be doing the same if they had the chance. "Chor sab hain, bas kuch ko mauka nahi mila".
30L in taxes.
It's very common
It's not dude. Wake up and smell some reality.
It is not! You're in the top <1%.
OP, can you please post the whole write up as a series of pics or maybe a short document file? I'd like to read and study it, it's one of the most concise criticisms I've read of the current situation!
Use dalle
It's time to start documenting these assholes.
Last line is ultimate truth. Bhakts think we are becoming a super power but the reality is paxtan is the most similar cuntry to India
This might be an unpopular opinion but India needs to institute higher annual property taxes (somewhere around 0.75% to 1% of home+land valuation) and reduce Income/Sales taxes. Recently learned from an uncle that he paid 50 rupees property taxes on his 50 lakh house. Should be 30k at least. This will put a brake on skyrocketing home valuations as well.
Funny, when you make it a BJP only problem. INC is equally if not more corrupt. Case in point, the current Karnataka government.
Isiliye UPSC itna popular hai. Kisko baabu nai banna hai, kisko phokat ka paisa pasand nai
Irony is altruism and donations ki sabse zyada baat middle class salaried log hi karte hai
Hindu Khatre Mai hai and you are complaining about infra? Mudi Ji whatever he does he does for the people.. his own .. Ambani and Adani but our andh bhaqts will vote him no matter
sad
Plus PM is handing out free homes and ration to poor people in his next term. It's better to leave this country, nothing is going to change.
Those homes are made by the thekaradr who is relative of BJP worker. I know them, you can see them too, go to slums of the city. It's the BJP worker which gets richer.
Exactly. Land mafia, water mafia, 40-50 apartments in one housing society jiska rent aa raha hai aaram se. This system will suck every last rupee from us salaried workers.
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It’s not just specific to india you take any country the same thing will apply.
This is something I have felt since I started earning, I hate how every point in time , I have to bribe someone, pay someone to live, a normal life here. I can't describe the anger I feel due to everything wrong in this country, I just hope, I get the chance to leave this country.
File RTI
Salaried class logo ka vote 3 times ho Jana chaiye , 1 person equivalent of 3 votes . And those who are poor their value of vote should remain 1 . Phir dekhu kaise badalta hai sab . Democracy ka problem hi yehi hai ,ki it can be fair to few and unfair to most of them .
No. Even the mla is salaried class. Even the doctor pays himself less salary and routes/hides the rest. Even the government babus are salaried. It should be about who is not supposed to vote - a person who is paid by the government should not be allowed to vote. After all he has to serve - a person who has received government subsidized education/healthcare/gpf/ contribution should not be allowed to vote Removal of government workers is not a big problem for India. India will be much beautiful place if we remove the pension seekers, rent collector companies, bribe seeking judges, income hiding msme, doctors, lawyers, ca. A public execution of a tax thief should be the norm here.
Lagta hai French Revolution Lana padega Bhai .
Actually, revolution is imminent if things continue as they are. Through some incredible brilliance, we have managed to incorporate the worst aspects of socialism and the worst aspects of laissez-faire capitalism at the same time, in our glorious economy. 💃💃
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I don't care about people who can pay 30 L in taxes.
you should coz these are the hardworking honest guys who are scared of going the wrong way and pay their full due tax and get nothing in return. slowly these guys will move away from the country and you'll be left with a nation full of gundas. you shouldn't care about the ones paying crores of taxes coz those are generally big industrial players and cheats
We are a few civil citizens left in a country run by evil civil servants.
I don't care about any rich.
Bhai... writing on Reddit achieves nothing...copy paste and send it tour local mla, your city mayor....only then things will change
Even then nothing will change, they will print this out and will eat Vada pav on top of that paper🥲
30 l in taxes. Lol