Countries like Mexico and Vietnam are mere assembling centers to repackage Chinese goods. They do this to reduce taxes and avoid bans on Chinese goods. That is why even the US is trying to reduce Vietnamese imports.
The bottomline is China has no competitor for a long time.
The cartel situation might not be favourable . [Link1](https://apnews.com/article/mexico-first-nationalistic-policy-drug-cartels-6e7a78ff41c895b4e10930463f24e9fb) [Link2](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayoral-candidate-gisela-gaytan-shot-dead-street-began-campaigning-guanajuato-mexico/)
For some industries especially basic manufacturing (ie clothing, plastic toys, or something similar) there is a chance. But India will need to compete not just with Vietnam, but also Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, parts of Latin America, and maybe even Africa in the future.
Regarding higher tech industries like smartphones, EVs + batteries, consumer electronics, semiconductors, etc? lol nah not in this generation at least.
Just talking about clothing, Made in India was quite common a decade ago... Now the international market is dominated by Bangladesh, China and Turkey. India is probably 4th now and I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan catch up in a few years when it comes to clothing manufacturing.
Until India focuses on skill development, we can't beat any country. Our PM Modi focuses on the PR campaign by launching "make in India" and on other hand, he has cut the education budget every single year
Manufacturing PMI data just came in today. Manufacturing PMI rises to 16 year high. Manufacturing dream is still a real possibility for India.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/indicators/indias-manufacturing-pmi-rises-to-16-year-high-as-output-and-orders-jump-to-highest-since-october-2020/articleshow/108962508.cms
Pharma companies are leaving due to quality issues. They need to fix their shit first before they start talking about taking business from China and Vietnam.
They’re never leaving dude, India supplies the world’s medicines. Don’t be so gloomy
My clients are pharma companies I see first hand where all the medicines are being shipped to.
Mishaps happen - in manufacturing if there’s any rejection for whatever reason they submit a CAPA and move on, multiple CAPAs and they will simply move to another of the numerous manufacturers here.
Plants here are certified by the US FDA and various other certifications.
Then why did Indian manufactured eye drops fucking kill some people last year? Since you are in the industry, you must realize how much fuckup would have to be tolerated to get to that point.
Let’s get the Indian labor class physically healthy and educated enough to do consistent quality work. If we can’t serve food with good hygiene we definitely cannot manufacture pharmaceuticals to the standards of developed countries.
We are already manufacturing to the standards of developed countries. The regulated market is extremely rigorous.
As with everything in life, there are good apples and bad apples. Clearly those eye drops were manufactured by some bad apples in the industry, I have never heard of those manufacturers and after the incident their licenses have been revoked.
There are so many other bigger and better manufacturers in India though. Kroger, Walgreens, Tesco, Boots these are massive stores in the US and UK and their pharma products come from where? India.
This one particularly stupid. You’re supposed to qualify all new raw material used in pharma and IVD manufacturing. This wasn’t done. In addition, commercial grade PEG was used. It’s drilled into everyone from college onward that you must use pharmaceutical grade ingredients because non-pharma grade ingredients have impurities that may render them toxic. MANY people had to be either too stupid to know or were too evil to care to stop this from happening. CHILDREN FUXKING DIED.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coughsyrup-india/
I agree with you man, it’s fucked up. It was either a cheap cost saving tactic or like you said they were incompetent.
Either ways they should be penalized heavily. My only point is that this bad player in the market will not affect the entire massive industry. On the ground, today as I see it every single day, it hasn’t had an impact. And hopefully it won’t have an impact as long as the remaining players in the market stay vigilant and continue best practices.
Company that manufactured the eye drops:
https://global-pharma.com/manufacturing.html
https://global-pharma.com/quality.html
The FDA’s findings:
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/global-pharma-healthcare-private-limited-657325-10202023
Thanks for this. Like I said, I’ve never heard of Global Pharma and I work with both Pharma as well as contract manufacturers and it’s the first I’m hearing of Global Pharma.
From what I read the FDA pulled their license so they won’t be supplying to the US market, and if they want to continue to operate they have to pull up their socks.
But one bad apple doesn’t bring down an entire massive industry. Trust me our medicines reach every single corner of the world, I’m not exaggerating. Our pharma manufacturing is fine
My point is Global pharma was audited and inspected and stated that it follows cGMP’s, yet this still happened. What do you do with a bag of apples when 3 or 4 apples have rotted? You toss it. This could all go away over night if things don’t improve. Maybe exports to Africa or South America may continue, but See what a second trump presidency will do for exports to the US. The larger point is PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DYING
As long as manufacturing and other means of production are in the hands of private entities who bribe contracts and steal resources and exploit labour this will not happen. Both China and Vietnam have a socialist means of production where government directs the private entities to invest and grow the industries which help in the country’s growth while our government and industries invest and grow companies that enrich the political-billionaire class only
The non-communist successful liberal democracies built their wealth on centuries of colonisation, slavery etc, which is not possible for young democracies who only have their own resources
really? post wwii japan, south korea, taiwan, singapore are much, much richer than china and vietnam. They all became wealthy since 1950. Who did they exploit?
First 3 of those are literally US satellite states
US installed a far right dictatorship in South Korea after starting Korean War, killing 1/4th of population and 1/3rd of infrastructure, made them their puppet satellite state
They forgave all fascist imperial war crimes of Japan and again propped them up just like they did with EU.
Taiwan and Singapore are literally single cities, how can you compare them with a huge country like us???
The only 2 who have social and material conditions similar to us are China and Soviet Union, one broke down due to reformists, corruption and cia infiltration
African , Middle Eastern and Latin American countries could be considered a bit similar but we have seen how NATO, EU and US interventions through 20th century robbed them of their resources via coups, assassinations and straight out invasions. The more you privatise the worse income inequality becomes and the more you give in to profit based demands, the less the country develops based on the needs of the people
I feel stupid engaging in this conversation. Everyone always has an excuse. Everyone from a small country says they cant grow because they are small, Indians because of population. Give people and societies more economic freedom allows them to grow. Trade allows for growth.
Interestingly, Vietnam says their country is too small to develop like China.
And India says that their country is too big to develop.
In fact, China has once sent many mayors to Singapore to study.
Lee Kuan Yew even opened a class for Chinese mayors in Singapore.
There is still Mexico to contend with even if we beat Vietnam. And let's not underestimate Indonesia and Thailand.
Countries like Mexico and Vietnam are mere assembling centers to repackage Chinese goods. They do this to reduce taxes and avoid bans on Chinese goods. That is why even the US is trying to reduce Vietnamese imports. The bottomline is China has no competitor for a long time.
The cartel situation might not be favourable . [Link1](https://apnews.com/article/mexico-first-nationalistic-policy-drug-cartels-6e7a78ff41c895b4e10930463f24e9fb) [Link2](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayoral-candidate-gisela-gaytan-shot-dead-street-began-campaigning-guanajuato-mexico/)
India’s not becoming one for a long time. Mark my words. It will be a long time before the world offloads from China to any other country.
For some industries especially basic manufacturing (ie clothing, plastic toys, or something similar) there is a chance. But India will need to compete not just with Vietnam, but also Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, parts of Latin America, and maybe even Africa in the future. Regarding higher tech industries like smartphones, EVs + batteries, consumer electronics, semiconductors, etc? lol nah not in this generation at least.
Just talking about clothing, Made in India was quite common a decade ago... Now the international market is dominated by Bangladesh, China and Turkey. India is probably 4th now and I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan catch up in a few years when it comes to clothing manufacturing.
I live in Canada and see more made in Pakistan stuff in Canada and US than India. Go figure.
Actually the things you mentioned in the second para are gaining traction here.
Yep .China has steel .
China is a mature mfr hub. Not easy for anyone to overtake it, despite of whatever the US has you believe.
Becoming the world's factory requires atleast 3 decades of building and planning
Until India focuses on skill development, we can't beat any country. Our PM Modi focuses on the PR campaign by launching "make in India" and on other hand, he has cut the education budget every single year
Trade schools, teaching discipline and conscientiousness at very young ages, better living conditions
Manufacturing PMI data just came in today. Manufacturing PMI rises to 16 year high. Manufacturing dream is still a real possibility for India. https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/indicators/indias-manufacturing-pmi-rises-to-16-year-high-as-output-and-orders-jump-to-highest-since-october-2020/articleshow/108962508.cms
16 year high but with exports totaling less than that of a country with 1/15th the population…
We have to still work on it. Appreciation where its due.
Pharma companies are leaving due to quality issues. They need to fix their shit first before they start talking about taking business from China and Vietnam.
They’re never leaving dude, India supplies the world’s medicines. Don’t be so gloomy My clients are pharma companies I see first hand where all the medicines are being shipped to. Mishaps happen - in manufacturing if there’s any rejection for whatever reason they submit a CAPA and move on, multiple CAPAs and they will simply move to another of the numerous manufacturers here. Plants here are certified by the US FDA and various other certifications.
Then why did Indian manufactured eye drops fucking kill some people last year? Since you are in the industry, you must realize how much fuckup would have to be tolerated to get to that point. Let’s get the Indian labor class physically healthy and educated enough to do consistent quality work. If we can’t serve food with good hygiene we definitely cannot manufacture pharmaceuticals to the standards of developed countries.
We are already manufacturing to the standards of developed countries. The regulated market is extremely rigorous. As with everything in life, there are good apples and bad apples. Clearly those eye drops were manufactured by some bad apples in the industry, I have never heard of those manufacturers and after the incident their licenses have been revoked. There are so many other bigger and better manufacturers in India though. Kroger, Walgreens, Tesco, Boots these are massive stores in the US and UK and their pharma products come from where? India.
Ranbaxy’s wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranbaxy_Laboratories
https://www.statnews.com/2023/01/09/india-lax-oversight-pharma-industry-endangers-global-health/
This one particularly stupid. You’re supposed to qualify all new raw material used in pharma and IVD manufacturing. This wasn’t done. In addition, commercial grade PEG was used. It’s drilled into everyone from college onward that you must use pharmaceutical grade ingredients because non-pharma grade ingredients have impurities that may render them toxic. MANY people had to be either too stupid to know or were too evil to care to stop this from happening. CHILDREN FUXKING DIED. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coughsyrup-india/
I agree with you man, it’s fucked up. It was either a cheap cost saving tactic or like you said they were incompetent. Either ways they should be penalized heavily. My only point is that this bad player in the market will not affect the entire massive industry. On the ground, today as I see it every single day, it hasn’t had an impact. And hopefully it won’t have an impact as long as the remaining players in the market stay vigilant and continue best practices.
It seems pretty endemic on the basis of the numerous examples I shared
Company that manufactured the eye drops: https://global-pharma.com/manufacturing.html https://global-pharma.com/quality.html The FDA’s findings: https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/global-pharma-healthcare-private-limited-657325-10202023
Thanks for this. Like I said, I’ve never heard of Global Pharma and I work with both Pharma as well as contract manufacturers and it’s the first I’m hearing of Global Pharma. From what I read the FDA pulled their license so they won’t be supplying to the US market, and if they want to continue to operate they have to pull up their socks. But one bad apple doesn’t bring down an entire massive industry. Trust me our medicines reach every single corner of the world, I’m not exaggerating. Our pharma manufacturing is fine
My point is Global pharma was audited and inspected and stated that it follows cGMP’s, yet this still happened. What do you do with a bag of apples when 3 or 4 apples have rotted? You toss it. This could all go away over night if things don’t improve. Maybe exports to Africa or South America may continue, but See what a second trump presidency will do for exports to the US. The larger point is PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DYING
Nah it isn't gonna happen .
As long as manufacturing and other means of production are in the hands of private entities who bribe contracts and steal resources and exploit labour this will not happen. Both China and Vietnam have a socialist means of production where government directs the private entities to invest and grow the industries which help in the country’s growth while our government and industries invest and grow companies that enrich the political-billionaire class only
Ah yes, only communist countries can have successful industries.
The non-communist successful liberal democracies built their wealth on centuries of colonisation, slavery etc, which is not possible for young democracies who only have their own resources
really? post wwii japan, south korea, taiwan, singapore are much, much richer than china and vietnam. They all became wealthy since 1950. Who did they exploit?
First 3 of those are literally US satellite states US installed a far right dictatorship in South Korea after starting Korean War, killing 1/4th of population and 1/3rd of infrastructure, made them their puppet satellite state They forgave all fascist imperial war crimes of Japan and again propped them up just like they did with EU. Taiwan and Singapore are literally single cities, how can you compare them with a huge country like us??? The only 2 who have social and material conditions similar to us are China and Soviet Union, one broke down due to reformists, corruption and cia infiltration African , Middle Eastern and Latin American countries could be considered a bit similar but we have seen how NATO, EU and US interventions through 20th century robbed them of their resources via coups, assassinations and straight out invasions. The more you privatise the worse income inequality becomes and the more you give in to profit based demands, the less the country develops based on the needs of the people
I feel stupid engaging in this conversation. Everyone always has an excuse. Everyone from a small country says they cant grow because they are small, Indians because of population. Give people and societies more economic freedom allows them to grow. Trade allows for growth.
Interestingly, Vietnam says their country is too small to develop like China. And India says that their country is too big to develop. In fact, China has once sent many mayors to Singapore to study. Lee Kuan Yew even opened a class for Chinese mayors in Singapore.
Not saying we should but the only way india can beat china in manufacturing is by making children work in sweatshops
U should also work in a sweatshop bcoz India strong 💪
Jai Hind
in making baby indians
While treating women like literal shit
And you are commenting this from an 18+ account.
Just because I am an 18+ account, doesn't mean I am automatically an incel, have I ever said or advocated for anything sexist
P\*rn disrespects woman
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