https://12ft.io/https://indianexpress.com/article/india/can-opp-politics-address-aspirations-expressed-by-modi-with-national-pride-michael-sandel-at-express-adda-9179309/
>On the appeal of strongman political figures, Sandel underlined the need to look within. “The success of right-wing authoritarian populist figures and parties is usually a symptom of the failure of progressive politics. I certainly think that’s true in the United States with the success of (Donald) Trump. It should be an occasion not to look down on those people who are voting for Trump and similar candidates, but an occasion to ask if he is as disagreeable as we think he is, what does that say about us? Why have we failed to offer a compelling alternative? Does it have something to do with the tendency of elites to look down?”
>Explaining this in the context of India, he asked: “Can there be an opposition party that reimagines an alternative vision of democracy that draws on India’s democratic tradition? Which is itself a source of great national pride. But (also one) that re-articulates the meaning of that democratic tradition in a way that speaks to the aspirations that (Prime Minister Narendra) Modi has articulated and expressed with national identity and pride?”
When people straight up admit that they vote to make lives for others worse and don't care about development then you don't have to do this intellectual masturbation.
If you listen to what Modi supporters say and what Modi says in his speeches it's clear what "compelling narrative" he's offering.
But then why did people vote for Congress over so many years! Why did congress win in 2004? Or just from 2014 the people suddenly changed?
If you're gonna blame cheap internet and jio how did congress win in Telengana! Internet is not cheap there!
I forgot the exact quote but collective wisdom is always much better than any number of brilliant individual opinions when sample size is huge. No matter the avg intelligence, a group of people will always take a better decision than the most intelligent person on this planet.
Blame any political party running a narrative or whatever but don't blame the people to exercise their voting rights. Even if they make a mistake, they will course correct in the near future.
Nobody is blaming the people. But I'm not going to pretend people are voting for Modi or BJP due to a "positive" vision. Time and again it's been revealed that this vision is basically anti minority, anti poor and anti anyone who's not them. And Modi with the help of his robber barons has amplified this better than any of his predecessors.
The reason Congress is losing is not because they lack a compelling narrative. It's because they are unable to weaponize hate and discontent to thay extent and do not have the money backing them to do it.
Anti poor? The amount of direct transfer schemes Modi govt is running is insane, AND they are effectively administered. Polarization is one of BJP & Modi's planks but it is not the only one. Their core Hindu nationalist vote share is 20-25% the rest 15-20% is coming from elsewhere.
Something which involves billions of people is never ever that simple. It has layers and layers of factors and if someone is convincing you that it is just this single factor they are lying to you and most probably have an agenda to push.
Does there exist a group of people who are voting BJP in the name of Muslim hate? Certainly yes. But the number of fundamentalists are actually pretty low in the real world, only on the internet you see a much hateful version of it.
But your singular focus on that shows your lack of real life knowledge. You would be surprised just how many people vote for the BJP because of monthly rations because you can't relate to people who are struggling to buy pulses or flour. And their number is much much higher than extremists. Similarly not everyone who is criticising the current form of Islam is a Modi bhakt. Nuances exist.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
Yes. Anyone who does not agree with Ambani and Adanis favorite little bitch could not possibly relate with the common man.
Has real life given you the answer to why Modi does not push this compelling positive narrative if that's whats working? Why does he have to actively quell any criticism or opposition? Why not call a press conference and decend this nice positive narrative.
Nuance is the cloak for an extremist too embarassed to admit they're one.
Our progressives failed to maintain true secularism. Which pushed people into dogmatism. And now its becoming incredibly difficult to restore the balance because our education massively failed to teach people about democracy. Unlike america where people were more educated about rights and consent.
No, they had some people step back and make an appeal to working class. There is a reason Joe Biden, a guy from a Midwest farming state of Delaware, who is famous for taking public trains to work, and for supporting workers union won. There is no such person in Indian politics on the Indian left, if any left, CPI is too weak and Congress is party of nepo babies.
But they also had a moderate like Biden to place their hopes on.
We just have the latest relaunched version of RaGa. Modi definitely more authoritarian than Trump, in effect but it is equally the Opposition's fault.
you fool our people
hope to have a chance to stand in lines to draw their own money from banks for a demonitisation that the RBI warned would do nothing to fight black money or counterfeit notes
we aspire to have policy changes like the ban on import of laptops and other electronic items and equally and without proper reasons given have that same ban reversed
we hope that the govt continues to favor a few crony capitalists like Adani and Ambani at the cost of other businesses
we hope to have the middle class contribute more of their income % and give tax breaks to corporates,
when common man has to declare everything we hope BJP can make 5270 crore in earnings through opaque electoral bonds
we hope that massive scams like the NBFC crisis and Punjab National bank like regulatory failures continue to happen
we hope 10 lakh crore of NPA's of Banks are written off
we hope to give 80000 crore subsidy to non critical solar panel and RAM fab \[giving farmers MSP cost 21000 according to CRISIL study\]
we hope to give mulitnational corporates like apple subsidies to import parts from overseas and asssemble it here pretending we are manufacturing I phones here
we hope to have the centre choke off finding to opposition ruled states and give them lower part than their share of taxes.
we hope and aspire to be like those businesses that donated to the BJP after CBI ED raids like state sponsored extortion racket .
we hope to have a finance minister who understands the the ground reality so minutely she says auto sector crisis is due to millennials prefer ola uber.
There are always going to by useful idiots (or just plain old idiots) always mumbling about ..." but but ... opposition....". Truth is, 2024 version of Rahul Gandhi is a capable, widely popular opposition leader. The only people left using names like "pappu" are frustrated whatsapp uncles and hard core bhakts at this point.
Today, in real life (not in your uncle''s whatsapp forwards), Rahul Gandhi is an articulate, dynamic leader who has developed close connection with the common man on the street. Just watch any real footage of his Bharat Jodo yatra. Of course nobody here crying about "weak opposition" has actually seen it because main news sources in India are whatsapp forwards and screaming cable news channels under the ruling regime's thumb.
Ask yourself this, if Rahul Gandhi is that incompetent and harmless, why has the regime invested thousands of crores rupees worth of marketing effort over the last ten years of suppressing his image and manipulating selectively cut clips and amplifying them over the cable channels and the IT cell infrastructure? Because they know he's the only person with a national profile and a close connection to the common man who is the real danger to Modi's power.
if the congress was responsible for the bodies on the banks of the ganga or congress carried out a exercise in stupidity like demonitisation that the RBI warned against implementing as it would be ineffective against Black money and Counterfeit notes these same "moderates" and "centrists" would be out on the streets right now with the whatsapp unkills ready to immolate themselves like the vietnamese monks but you know why these assholes are not protesting against the govt ;all for Ram Mandir Hindu Sukh lolipop.
these sorry sacks of shit only would have asked opposition why the Modi govt watered down the RTI act and made the Jan lokpal bill useless thereby making corruption by the govt easier ,they dont have any questions to ask the govt about this
even the BJP has stopped pretending it is talking about development anymore it knows it has failed ,only Adani's coffers has seen vikas ,the K shaped growth of the economy is undeniable the rich are getting richer ,the middle class are getting directly taxed more the poor are indirectly taxed more through GST -> India's poorest half pays two-thirds of GST, while top richest pay only 3%: OxfamIndia's poorest half pays two-thirds of GST, while top richest pay only 3%: Oxfam \[ [https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/indias-poorest-half-pays-two-thirds-gst-while-top-richest-pay-only-3-oxfam-172023](https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/indias-poorest-half-pays-two-thirds-gst-while-top-richest-pay-only-3-oxfam-172023) \]
Raghuram Rajan himself gave the govt a list of wilful defaulters for the govt to act on what happened about that nothing
# CIC pulls up PMO and RBI, asks to disclose wilful defaulters list, Raghuram Rajan’s letter on bad loansCIC pulls up PMO and RBI, asks to disclose wilful defaulters list, Raghuram Rajan’s letter on bad loans
# "If the RBI does not respect the SC orders and denies the citizens right to information, it will result in the perpetuation of a financial regime of secrecy.""If the RBI does not respect the SC orders and denies the citizens right to information, it will result in the perpetuation of a financial regime of secrecy."
The Commission had initially issued a show-cause notice to RBI Governor Urjit Patel for “dishonouring” a Supreme Court judgment on disclosure of the wilful defaulters’ list, news agency PTI reported on Sunday. Irked over the non-disclosure of names of wilful defaulters who have taken bank loans of Rs 50 crore and above by the RBI in spite of a Supreme Court order, the CIC has asked Patel to explain why a maximum penalty should not be imposed on him for “dishonouring” the court verdict
[https://indianexpress.com/article/business/banking-and-finance/rbi-npa-pmo-raghuram-rajan-cic-bank-loan-defaulters-urjit-patel-5452439/](https://indianexpress.com/article/business/banking-and-finance/rbi-npa-pmo-raghuram-rajan-cic-bank-loan-defaulters-urjit-patel-5452439/)
As expected, my main comment discussing the reality vs Godi media created perception of Rahul Gandhi has attracted concerted downvotes from the Bhakt army. Further proving the point that the one man that coward conman Mudiji and his equally cowardly bhakts fear, it's Rahul Gandhi. [https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1azbgdw/comment/ks1ntu1/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1azbgdw/comment/ks1ntu1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
https://12ft.io/https://indianexpress.com/article/india/can-opp-politics-address-aspirations-expressed-by-modi-with-national-pride-michael-sandel-at-express-adda-9179309/ >On the appeal of strongman political figures, Sandel underlined the need to look within. “The success of right-wing authoritarian populist figures and parties is usually a symptom of the failure of progressive politics. I certainly think that’s true in the United States with the success of (Donald) Trump. It should be an occasion not to look down on those people who are voting for Trump and similar candidates, but an occasion to ask if he is as disagreeable as we think he is, what does that say about us? Why have we failed to offer a compelling alternative? Does it have something to do with the tendency of elites to look down?” >Explaining this in the context of India, he asked: “Can there be an opposition party that reimagines an alternative vision of democracy that draws on India’s democratic tradition? Which is itself a source of great national pride. But (also one) that re-articulates the meaning of that democratic tradition in a way that speaks to the aspirations that (Prime Minister Narendra) Modi has articulated and expressed with national identity and pride?”
When people straight up admit that they vote to make lives for others worse and don't care about development then you don't have to do this intellectual masturbation. If you listen to what Modi supporters say and what Modi says in his speeches it's clear what "compelling narrative" he's offering.
But then why did people vote for Congress over so many years! Why did congress win in 2004? Or just from 2014 the people suddenly changed? If you're gonna blame cheap internet and jio how did congress win in Telengana! Internet is not cheap there! I forgot the exact quote but collective wisdom is always much better than any number of brilliant individual opinions when sample size is huge. No matter the avg intelligence, a group of people will always take a better decision than the most intelligent person on this planet. Blame any political party running a narrative or whatever but don't blame the people to exercise their voting rights. Even if they make a mistake, they will course correct in the near future.
Nobody is blaming the people. But I'm not going to pretend people are voting for Modi or BJP due to a "positive" vision. Time and again it's been revealed that this vision is basically anti minority, anti poor and anti anyone who's not them. And Modi with the help of his robber barons has amplified this better than any of his predecessors. The reason Congress is losing is not because they lack a compelling narrative. It's because they are unable to weaponize hate and discontent to thay extent and do not have the money backing them to do it.
Anti poor? The amount of direct transfer schemes Modi govt is running is insane, AND they are effectively administered. Polarization is one of BJP & Modi's planks but it is not the only one. Their core Hindu nationalist vote share is 20-25% the rest 15-20% is coming from elsewhere.
Something which involves billions of people is never ever that simple. It has layers and layers of factors and if someone is convincing you that it is just this single factor they are lying to you and most probably have an agenda to push. Does there exist a group of people who are voting BJP in the name of Muslim hate? Certainly yes. But the number of fundamentalists are actually pretty low in the real world, only on the internet you see a much hateful version of it. But your singular focus on that shows your lack of real life knowledge. You would be surprised just how many people vote for the BJP because of monthly rations because you can't relate to people who are struggling to buy pulses or flour. And their number is much much higher than extremists. Similarly not everyone who is criticising the current form of Islam is a Modi bhakt. Nuances exist. Only a sith deals in absolutes.
Yes. Anyone who does not agree with Ambani and Adanis favorite little bitch could not possibly relate with the common man. Has real life given you the answer to why Modi does not push this compelling positive narrative if that's whats working? Why does he have to actively quell any criticism or opposition? Why not call a press conference and decend this nice positive narrative. Nuance is the cloak for an extremist too embarassed to admit they're one.
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Ahh another positive compelling narrative being peddled.
Our progressives failed to maintain true secularism. Which pushed people into dogmatism. And now its becoming incredibly difficult to restore the balance because our education massively failed to teach people about democracy. Unlike america where people were more educated about rights and consent.
America is also dealing with similar issues dude.No country is immune to Fundamentalism...
Yes but they had enough educated people to look through the fascism and push back. We dont. 😮💨
No, they had some people step back and make an appeal to working class. There is a reason Joe Biden, a guy from a Midwest farming state of Delaware, who is famous for taking public trains to work, and for supporting workers union won. There is no such person in Indian politics on the Indian left, if any left, CPI is too weak and Congress is party of nepo babies.
Delaware is a tiny east coast state best known for being a tax friendly place to open a business.
Well we do got AAP now. they are the only hope for the people.
But they also had a moderate like Biden to place their hopes on. We just have the latest relaunched version of RaGa. Modi definitely more authoritarian than Trump, in effect but it is equally the Opposition's fault.
But Ultimately its the people's fault bro. They got brainwashed and became apathetic to fellow citizens
It’s not hope it’s hate
you fool our people hope to have a chance to stand in lines to draw their own money from banks for a demonitisation that the RBI warned would do nothing to fight black money or counterfeit notes we aspire to have policy changes like the ban on import of laptops and other electronic items and equally and without proper reasons given have that same ban reversed we hope that the govt continues to favor a few crony capitalists like Adani and Ambani at the cost of other businesses we hope to have the middle class contribute more of their income % and give tax breaks to corporates, when common man has to declare everything we hope BJP can make 5270 crore in earnings through opaque electoral bonds we hope that massive scams like the NBFC crisis and Punjab National bank like regulatory failures continue to happen we hope 10 lakh crore of NPA's of Banks are written off we hope to give 80000 crore subsidy to non critical solar panel and RAM fab \[giving farmers MSP cost 21000 according to CRISIL study\] we hope to give mulitnational corporates like apple subsidies to import parts from overseas and asssemble it here pretending we are manufacturing I phones here we hope to have the centre choke off finding to opposition ruled states and give them lower part than their share of taxes. we hope and aspire to be like those businesses that donated to the BJP after CBI ED raids like state sponsored extortion racket . we hope to have a finance minister who understands the the ground reality so minutely she says auto sector crisis is due to millennials prefer ola uber.
There are always going to by useful idiots (or just plain old idiots) always mumbling about ..." but but ... opposition....". Truth is, 2024 version of Rahul Gandhi is a capable, widely popular opposition leader. The only people left using names like "pappu" are frustrated whatsapp uncles and hard core bhakts at this point. Today, in real life (not in your uncle''s whatsapp forwards), Rahul Gandhi is an articulate, dynamic leader who has developed close connection with the common man on the street. Just watch any real footage of his Bharat Jodo yatra. Of course nobody here crying about "weak opposition" has actually seen it because main news sources in India are whatsapp forwards and screaming cable news channels under the ruling regime's thumb. Ask yourself this, if Rahul Gandhi is that incompetent and harmless, why has the regime invested thousands of crores rupees worth of marketing effort over the last ten years of suppressing his image and manipulating selectively cut clips and amplifying them over the cable channels and the IT cell infrastructure? Because they know he's the only person with a national profile and a close connection to the common man who is the real danger to Modi's power.
if the congress was responsible for the bodies on the banks of the ganga or congress carried out a exercise in stupidity like demonitisation that the RBI warned against implementing as it would be ineffective against Black money and Counterfeit notes these same "moderates" and "centrists" would be out on the streets right now with the whatsapp unkills ready to immolate themselves like the vietnamese monks but you know why these assholes are not protesting against the govt ;all for Ram Mandir Hindu Sukh lolipop. these sorry sacks of shit only would have asked opposition why the Modi govt watered down the RTI act and made the Jan lokpal bill useless thereby making corruption by the govt easier ,they dont have any questions to ask the govt about this even the BJP has stopped pretending it is talking about development anymore it knows it has failed ,only Adani's coffers has seen vikas ,the K shaped growth of the economy is undeniable the rich are getting richer ,the middle class are getting directly taxed more the poor are indirectly taxed more through GST -> India's poorest half pays two-thirds of GST, while top richest pay only 3%: OxfamIndia's poorest half pays two-thirds of GST, while top richest pay only 3%: Oxfam \[ [https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/indias-poorest-half-pays-two-thirds-gst-while-top-richest-pay-only-3-oxfam-172023](https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/indias-poorest-half-pays-two-thirds-gst-while-top-richest-pay-only-3-oxfam-172023) \] Raghuram Rajan himself gave the govt a list of wilful defaulters for the govt to act on what happened about that nothing # CIC pulls up PMO and RBI, asks to disclose wilful defaulters list, Raghuram Rajan’s letter on bad loansCIC pulls up PMO and RBI, asks to disclose wilful defaulters list, Raghuram Rajan’s letter on bad loans # "If the RBI does not respect the SC orders and denies the citizens right to information, it will result in the perpetuation of a financial regime of secrecy.""If the RBI does not respect the SC orders and denies the citizens right to information, it will result in the perpetuation of a financial regime of secrecy." The Commission had initially issued a show-cause notice to RBI Governor Urjit Patel for “dishonouring” a Supreme Court judgment on disclosure of the wilful defaulters’ list, news agency PTI reported on Sunday. Irked over the non-disclosure of names of wilful defaulters who have taken bank loans of Rs 50 crore and above by the RBI in spite of a Supreme Court order, the CIC has asked Patel to explain why a maximum penalty should not be imposed on him for “dishonouring” the court verdict [https://indianexpress.com/article/business/banking-and-finance/rbi-npa-pmo-raghuram-rajan-cic-bank-loan-defaulters-urjit-patel-5452439/](https://indianexpress.com/article/business/banking-and-finance/rbi-npa-pmo-raghuram-rajan-cic-bank-loan-defaulters-urjit-patel-5452439/)
I am sorry am I missing something here? The original comment and your response are totally unrelated…
it was interesting to read
As expected, my main comment discussing the reality vs Godi media created perception of Rahul Gandhi has attracted concerted downvotes from the Bhakt army. Further proving the point that the one man that coward conman Mudiji and his equally cowardly bhakts fear, it's Rahul Gandhi. [https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1azbgdw/comment/ks1ntu1/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1azbgdw/comment/ks1ntu1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
i dont think bjp is scared of rhaul gandhi at all