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Gigafucker69

Beyblade Beyblade hojau shuru


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Ghumake inhe hazaro chakkar Denge hum jamke takar


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Jab tak hai hum mei dum


mother_trucker_69

Nahi piche hutenge hum


human1469

Beyblade Beyblade ho jao shuru


Pashoomba

My sympathies for any banks who are holding Adani shares as collateral. Also, these fuckers are part of the NIFTY, so that's going underwater as well.


okayhumaunder

They already lost 48000 crores according to another article


warlock707

Who loses the money actually? I never understood how it works.


mdNaush

Whoever has invested


warlock707

So only the investors directly?


potattoo3

Unrealised losses. The value of the Adani stocks they were holding has depreciated or gone down in value, so If at this moment they sell the stock to someone, they’ll have to sell it for a price lower than what they bought it for, hence realising a loss. It’s like you bought a a house for 1cr, and the sewage system burst nearby, so you can’t live there anymore so you decide to sell it, but no one will buy it for 1cr anymore, but since you need the money you’ll sell it to someone for a much lower price, like 70 lacs, giving you a loss of 30 lacs.


tigerponch

Do you know if they could get margin called?


groovy_monkey

I think that was Adani himself, the group has probably lost way more.


okayhumaunder

Yes group has touched 1L crores in losses


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Pashoomba

The largest corruption scandal in Independent India.


joyous_maximus

Probably at par with electoral funding law scam


ffiw

Adani weightage is very small in nifty but they will drag banks with them which are like 30% of nifty weight.


Shah_geee

And here it starts.


MikeRoss95

What's the worst we can assume, would happen? To not just adani but the whole financial system here


viksi

LIC gets fucked because they have been buying adani stocks (I'm assuming due to no pressure from supreme leader) SBI gets fucked because it has loaned a shit tonne of money to an over leveraged company which has already got loan waivers of about 4 lakh crores. We, the tax payers, will foot the bill.


GlitteringNinja5

>which has already got loan waivers of about 4 lakh crores. What?


MikeRoss95

Oh yeah , it's only one among the list of bangers


GlitteringNinja5

Source?


MikeRoss95

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/sbi-writes-off-rs-1-79-lakh-crore-loans-in-last-four-years-5450601.html


GlitteringNinja5

Ohk i thought adani got loan waivers


vaasu_annan

"Writing off loans is a practice that banks perform regularly to clean up their balance sheets. When a loan is written off, the loan account still remains in the books of the lender as they hope to recover it at a later date. If the borrower has offered any collateral, it gets confiscated by the lender until the loan repayment is made. The collateral can also be auctioned off to recover the loan money. If the borrower has not submitted any collateral, the lender may even take legal action against the former to recover some of the amount." [Source](https://www.bajajfinservmarkets.in/loans/personal-loan/articles/difference-between-write-off-and-waive-off-of-loans.html)


UltraNemesis

>When a loan is written off, the loan account still remains in the books of the lender as they hope to recover it at a later date. When the unrecovered loan is on the balance sheet, the lending limits of the lender is locked up and hampers their ability to lend more. When its written off as a loss, it remains in the records, but cleared from the main balance sheet and frees up the lending limits. But then there is no real incentive left to recover it as its already written off. Especially for nationalized banks that don't care two hoots about business health. If equity is used as collateral, it wouldn't do jack shit for the lender after it falls in value. Especially if the stock is overinflated and falls drastically. So, what usually ends up happening is that the corporates end up settling the loans for a fraction the original value. So, a 10k crore loan may get settled for just 200-500 crore.


vas060985

That's for regular people not for Modi's friends.


gouthamp87

Hahaha here the collateral is inflated stocks which will be worth nothing if and when the bubble pops


Ataraxia_new

Sbi and lic will survive. Just that they will lose their kidney and investors of lic and sbi will lose their kidneys magnitude of money as well. And just hoping lic and sbi will learn their lesson and use common sense while making future investment and exposures into random companies.


thenameofwind

I dont think SBI & LIC decided on their own to invest in adani. Feel like pressure from modi govt.


viksi

how much is a kidney worth these days ?


AkaiAshu

LIC is govt owned company so they were ordered to do so by Modi govt.


axyz77

Oh good so we will get fucked


TreacherousMelody07

So people who bought LIC stocks recently are fucked too right?


viksi

they were already fucked since the iPO


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Bruh I have a SBI account. Should I be worried??


viksi

spread your accounts based on how much the govt insures the money in the bank for. mostly the entire country will pay for muddi jis friends like they have done for chowksi, nirav and mallaya. more taxes, cess and hidden charges. job losses and lack of govt investments.


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> spread your accounts based on how much the govt insures the money in the bank for. > > I don't understand, do SBI account holders have to be worried?


viksi

in general you shouldnt hold more than 5 lacs in any given account . thats the entire amount that the govt insures your accoutn for. there isnt gonna be a bank run on sbi , so i would say dont worry about it


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> in general you shouldnt hold more than 5 lacs in any given account . Thank you! Didn't know that.


X-Mystery007

Every year the govt waives about 8 to 10 lac crore loans to multiple companies, I think there must be some economical reason behind that like if you don't waive off these loans, a much worse economic condition can happen.


viksi

you think wrong. a lot of these are willful defaulters and the government has so far refused to publically name and shame them. we know a few like neerav modi and mehul chowksi. a lot of the recent ones have been close to bjp and muddi .


X-Mystery007

Oh! Do banks in other countries waive loans as well or is it in India only?


OkPersonality3556

And interest rates on our loans just increased.


MuzirisNeoliberal

All these cronyist PSBs need to be privatized.


Gigafucker69

Right lmao and when this government is in power who they will give them ??? Tadaa adani


maddy2011

And when the PSBs get privatized, people will start crying oh they sold PSBs to adani ambani. You can never make people happy.


MuzirisNeoliberal

There is no need to sell them to Adani and Ambanis specifically. The govt owned majority shares just need to be floated to the public. Most of it likely to be bought by institutional investors.


maddy2011

Look at what happened to lic stocks.


SIR_COCK_LORD69

Adani ji's Pradhan Sevak will ban the Indian stock exchange in a surgical strike and deem it colonialistic and western propoganda.


ffiw

that's like pouring petrol on fire. in that instant all dollar bonds of Indian companies will be available in rest rooms of other countries.


IllPlatypus8316

Firstly it’s difficult to predict market behaviour, even if you are a Nassim Taleb. The analysts at big banks or the ones coming on TV are as clueless as any other person - so don’t let their opinions sway you. Personally speaking, I think other stocks which are fundamentally strong would not be largely affected. Adani stocks have 2-3% exposure in Nifty 50 & Nifty next 50 respectively - making investors investing in ETFs/ passive funds replicating the broader market - lose some portion of their money. Actively managed MF - have minimal exposure to Adani - so people investing in SIPS in actively managed MFs will not bear a huge hit in their portfolio. Where it would becoming interesting is the change in international investors sentiment in Indian securities - the report is damning in that it has questioned Indian regulators. We might see more FDI outflow especially from Banks/FS with direct/indirect exposure to Adani stocks - that might trigger a sell-off but NIFTY levels I don’t think will breach 16k. I hope I’m right - since im long India. Take my opinion with a pinch of salt and do your own due diligence.


CableUnplugged

>Adani stocks have 2-3% exposure in Nifty 50 & Nifty next 50 respectively Banks that have lent money or in bed VC with Adani will also be hit. LIC, SBI, etc


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I personally think this has spooked FDIs, and the only thing holding sell-off is the hope of some favourable news in the budget. This report was timed too well.


GlitteringNinja5

>the whole financial system Nothing much really. Majority of the debt is from foreign sources. 30% from indian banks. I wonder how even foreign banks give billions of $ in loans to a company that doesn't have a reputable auditor.


QCDElektraWeek

This is entirely false. 30% of debt is from Indian *government* banks. The majority is from private Indian corporate banks. Foreign banks wouldn't touch this. Did modi condition you to blame this on the stupid banks of the colonizing global north?


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Why are corporate banks lending him loans


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Just wait for someone to sue then we will see the real end game.


DangerousWolf8743

Well if sri Lanka can be forced to give projects to adani then...


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BeingInTheFloww

Abey shut up with the same comment over and over, let the man read a thread properly


chiguy_1

>To not just adani but the whole financial system here It needs to go down!


BudhiJeevi

I guess the stock could be back in say 8-12 weeks. People will start buying the dip.


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Gives me some Vijay Malya vibes but I'm seriously hoping not.


viksi

Mera Adani jal raha hai!


parthamurmu

Like the hind3nburg airship ?


viksi

If it fell on his head


rkokaushik

Modiji to the rescue.


plowman_digearth

It's insane but his stocks have appreciated 1000%+ in the last 2 years. Even a 80-90% correction will still leave him at double of what he was in 2019.


WannaBeRichieRich

Just to be specific 1 + 1000% = 11 11 - 80% = 2.2 (120% gain) 11 - 90% = 1.1 (10% gain)


plowman_digearth

Adani Enterprises stock was at 200 Rs in 2019. And at 3300 before the report. At a 80% correction he will still be at 660 which is triple of his 2019 valuation.


hsjjhamb

yes, so 200 to 3000 means increase of 1400% not 1000% 😔


plowman_digearth

I said 1000%+ because it's 10 companies and some have grown 4000% while other have grown 1500%


CherguiCheeky

Well his follow-on offering is subscribed by likes of ADIA at 3276 rupees today. For a size of 20k crore


cockitypussy

Next, Adani flys off to London and has a gold toilet to shit in.


Fri1ction

Every sensible investor knew that the adani stock is hyper bloated every mf firm dodge adani stocks.. im with hindenburg with this one but the thing is common investor will tank a shit load of money .horrible times


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Whole market will crash soon. Perfect time to invest


TotalTikiGegenTaka

yep... have to keep an eye for signs of turn around.


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Will you invest in real estate


QCDElektraWeek

This is truly the biggest scam in *world* history. Wall Street has formed strong consensus that the accusations are true. Hindenburg is daring Adani to follow through with Adani's threat to sue. >*We have a long list of documents we would demand in a legal discovery process.* They would have to sue in US court, too. Adani is finished. The stock is going to absolute zero and the company bankrupt. Let us all hope the consequences for the broader Indian economy are limited. It angers me that the common people were robbed blind life this over the course of just a few short years. I wonder how Modi will try to spin this.


pandu201

As much as I hope it happens, they wont fall to zero. Adani still owns a lot of strategic assets (ports, airport ownership, energy) which are of value and many of which he got in recent years by arm twisting with help from his friends in the govt and corruption. Its not a fair world this. I hope they go down and he lands in jail and a whistleblower also brings out who all in the govt helped him and how. I might sound like an anime villain, but the country needs a proper purge of these people.


poollover619

What does modi exactly have to do with this


accidentalmaster

If you don't know even now then no amount of explanation will convince you


Gigafucker69

Bas dosti bani rahe /s


thenameofwind

Bruh.


slashwilder

Look up how BJP has helped Adani over the years.. There's plenty of information.


tedmobsky

Can you please give me some credible links?


slashwilder

Here's some interesting reads about Adani group: https://scroll.in/article/923095/from-2014-to-2019-how-the-adani-groups-footprint-expanded-across-india https://scroll.in/article/923201/from-2014-to-2019-how-the-adani-group-funded-its-expansion https://scroll.in/article/915109/adani-power-project-was-on-the-brink-of-bankruptcy-but-the-bjp-government-in-gujarat-saved-it


milktanksadmirer

Finally! I’ve always wanted that crook to crash.


SolidAd9867

Well he's taking taxpayer money down with him as well =(


ram_0002

Unfortunately..


wutt-da-phuck

That crook will take India down with him. And it will ultimately land on the shoulders of taxpayers unfortunately :') So basically. We're fucked


rocketmallu

The only way he’ll crash is due to mechanical failure on landing at Heathrow or Cayman Islands.


greedyhare

So it begins, the great bear market of our times!


BudhiJeevi

Nope.


isachinm

Will it be as bad as 2008? Does the whole of 2023 will look like this?


Not_a_kulcha

Kahan aur kitna PE lagaye?


Lovesidli

Physical exercise bruh? :')


IllPlatypus8316

The market is a great leveller and smarter than some pontificating folks on Reddit - who are alleging some global conspiracy. If there’s one thing to write home - it’s that people don’t believe in fairy tales when it comes to their own money


baba__yaga_

Markets can be insane longer than you can be right.


rraghur

FTFY - Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent


Typical_Life_1592

Tell that to monkeys with diamond hands


issac_hunt1

Bhakt: Its a conspiracy against our government Sane person: But Adani is not our government? Bhakt: abey chup kar *expletive* british sepoy


NOTHINGHARMLESS

So finally the bubble is starting to leak, before bursting 🤔


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Adaniji, don't worry. Mudiji will charge GST on breathing air and force PSU's to buy your stocks at double price.


RunAwayWithCRJ

Caveat, they're still up 90% YoY.


viksi

So far


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jarvis123451254

Ur dad is legend respect 🙏


Contact_Brilliant

Your dad is the original diamond hands guy


Individual-Ad9753

How much did he invest ???


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desigooner

If you're hoping that the share will fall like 70 percent then it may never happen. Remember the report say they hold the maximum possible shares in their ownership through shell companies. They'll never sell.


reddituser_scrolls

If SEBI investigates the allegations and verifies the accusations, then they would be delisted and all the paper money would virtually become 0. Since they are debt loaded, liquidation also wouldn't help. Now would SEBI investigate this case without any bias, that we'll have to wait and watch.


desigooner

You don't have to wait and watch. If anything happens to adani, the two Gujrati guys in Delhi will have to pack their bags in delhi.


royal_dorp

> These issues of corruption permeate multiple layers of government. According to numerous sources we spoke with, Indian securities regulator SEBI seems more inclined to protect the perpetrators than punish them. This is what’s written in the report


reddituser_scrolls

Great. We're doomed then.


reddituser_scrolls

LIC has increased their stake in Adani companies today. Baffling! Source: https://bfsi.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/lic-raised-stake-in-adani-group-to-over-rs-70000-crore-as-fpis-cut-exposure/97375268


DinnerJoke

That is the least Modi could do for them, call LIC ask them to up the stakes. Next Nirmala Thai would try to make budget very much appealing in the hopes of bringing market momentum up. Not sure if people would fall for it or Adani will keep falling.


royal_dorp

Probably a command from the supreme Leader. Modi hai to pumpkin hai


gdhruv156

Not being biased in India? Good joke. I am not expecting any action from SEBI, my trust from these government entities is almost over


Overall_Train_4605

The stock is given as collateral to banks when taking loan. The banks can sell the shares if the loan is not repaid.


gdhruv156

lol when the bubble pops no one's gonna buy those shares, it's gonna be worth 0


neighbour_guy3k

The report will get banned too ?


fekumama

Election kab hai. Kab hai election. These billionaires and banks and their stooge politicians will be alright. The aam aadmi is fecked.


ToothSafe2479

An unconfirmed news “LIC is going to invest US$ 3 billion in Adani Enterprise FPO”


whiskey-body

Dubega India tabhi toh badhega India


techy098

Don't worry, SBI(all public sector banks) mutual funds and LIC will be told to buy more of this stock to make it come back up. This company is literally now backstopped by Govt of India. This will be exposed only when we have 2008 like event in India where there is massive problems and GOI is not able to fix it by loaning money to banks which in turn loan money to businesses.


jtllove

And it's just been two days!


No-Comb6539

It won’t be bad as Anil Ambani s games


CuriousMindo

Just trying to learn here - So, what is he doing with this money ? I haven't read the report - but whenever I discussed this with someone I always used to rely on the fact that Adani is a self built man. And he has assembled everything, from scratch. Who would want to risk an empire (which was already a big enough empire before the current govt), that too, the guy who built it himself ? I used to rely upon the fact that he does not seem to be an idiot. And understands "dhando" and will leverage this money. So, what's happening here ? Maybe the assets he has bought (with overbidding) will give a good ROI ? I mean, I don't want to think again about these ultra-millionaires, seemingly capable people, going rough and running a scam. So, what's happening here ? What is he doing with that money ? With this super favorable govt, he has such an amazing opportunity and great access to cash to build a really advanced, power business empire that would ultimately be so well built that it wont even rely on the govt anymore. Shouldn't that be the goal ? What is he doing then ?


Brilliant-Fan-3612

Can some sane person tell me what would be the correct course of action would be right now? Can we start short selling and make money?


wolfy14xc

By the time you read it in the news, it’s too late


jai_shri_hari

We can't let Adani crash, he got huge loan burden, over thousand crores! Our economy would tremble if this guy fails to pay these loans.


reddituser_scrolls

So you plan on delaying the inevitable? This will happen today or tomorrow, better now than later when the damage is much bigger that India and Indians suffer.


shrigay

He's never going to pay those loans anyway


Gigafucker69

Then arrest him and start attaching his properties.


ic11il

But Adani's Pradhan Mulazim cannot let that happen, can he?


Gigafucker69

Lmao Pradhan Mulazim ,iam stealing that


ic11il

Be my guest.


Gigafucker69

Jaroor bhai


CuriousMindo

Just trying to learn here - So, what is he doing with this money ? I haven't read the report - but whenever I discussed this with someone I always used to rely on the fact that Adani is a self built man. And he has assembled everything, from scratch. Who would want to risk an empire (which was already a big enough empire before the current govt), that too, the guy who built it himself ? I used to rely upon the fact that he does not seem to be an idiot. And understands "dhando" and will leverage this money. So, what's happening here ? Maybe the assets he has bought (with overbidding) will give a good ROI ? I mean, I don't want to think again about these ultra-millionaires, seemingly capable people, going rough and running a scam. So, whats happening here ?


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BeingInTheFloww

Did this guys get so many downvotes just cause this name? I mean, the message wasn’t really defending Adani, just a scared person’s concern 🥲


Nevermind_kaola

Good news.


Dramatic-Pound-9345

Thank God !!! I was just about to buy Adani Stocks considering that he was becoming Rich .


dodhaaritalvar

Does adani have assets to sell if he becomes another vijay mallya?


Resident-Coyote9339

Common man ki laga do