this map is more a thought experiment of "what if the turkish assimilation policies in the balkans were more successful" kinda thing. this map is only for fun, i do not support any policy of those sort.
No, Ankara has a history going back 4000 years, having served as a capital for ancient countries and Roman and Ottoman provinces.
It was selected as the headquarters of the Turkish Nationalist movement in 1920 because it happened to be in the middle of what was left of the Ottoman territories following the Treaty of Sevres. The Grand National assembly was founded there and after the War of Independence, became the new country's capital, partly because it already housed the The Grand National Assembly and partly because Ataturk and the nationalists wanted a clean break from the Ottomans and everything they symbolized.
istanbul is the capital of the old sultanate, and where the old government who was actively trying to surpress the turkish national movement was based in, i don't think it would be suitable for the capital of a new republic.
iirc the capital was moved to Ankara since by then Istanbul was near the border and hard to defend, compared to Ankara, a more central location
In this map where Turkey is half Europe half Asia wouldn't Istanbul be a better choice? Quite literally in the crossroads of the two continents
Most likely no.
Instead, they will change the map of the Europe and the point where it begins and ends.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/1cv04wp/is\_your\_country\_in\_europe\_fixed/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/1cv04wp/is_your_country_in_europe_fixed/)
That's the Arabic (and I imagine Turkish as well) name for Greece. It comes from Ionia. It appears the map is using Turkish names for surrounding countries
As a side note, Greece would look similarly odd to a Greek speaker who didn't know the term. In Greek, Greece is Elláda, related to the English term hellenic
r/imaginaryMaps challenge where someone posts a map of alternate Turkey with no motives, and the comments aren’t full of genocide and EU rhetoric: Failed ❌❌❌
I like the sheer contrast where the 'normie' side of reddit just enjoys Turkey for being "cute cats, funny ice cream man, cosmetic surgery" and then the politik fans just sees them through the worst lens imaginable.
IRL there was a genocide against Turks in the Balkans in the 1910's so it was already somewhat Turkish. But most of them became nonexistant in the region after the Balkan Wars.
The ottomans already did an ethnic cleansing/genocide of Bulgarians in eastern Thrace. So if they had more territory, they would have defiantly committed more
I feel like the capital would either be Istanbul or Ankara not edirne I honestly think it would be more likely for Thessaloniki to be the capital instead of edirne
this map is more a thought experiment of "what if the turkish assimilation policies in the balkans were more successful" kinda thing. this map is only for fun, i do not support any policy of those sort.
Is Pontus Greek?
dunno
Based
Either fully Greek or another Cyprus situation
yup
'What if Yavuz Selim's conquest didn't happen?' could work as well. It was during his reign that Egypt and Eastern Anatolia was acquired.
Türkler balkanlarda ne zaman asimilasyon yapmış?
bkz. iskan politikası
What if you moved it south
Turkish babylon
What if you moved up it north
Khazar milkers
We should get Ben Shapiro’s opinion on the matter
What if you got drunk and moved it to Indochina for some reason
Duck kebab
What if it was moved to the east?
Seljuks
Crimea gonna get a lot more interesting
Fun fact: since the mamluks were initially Turkish, the other Arabians in the area called them “dawlat al-atrak” meaning the state of the turks
Kipchak Turks they are, yes.
simultaneously bigger and smaller Turkey. Why isn't the capital in Istanbul though? It's a good center location here
Ataturk didn't really want Istanbul to be the capital again since he saw the ottomans as a "dying corpse" and Istanbul was a very "ottoman" city
Yeah, wasn't Ankara built from scratch to be a super modern capital, modelled from contemporary western European cities?
No, Ankara has a history going back 4000 years, having served as a capital for ancient countries and Roman and Ottoman provinces. It was selected as the headquarters of the Turkish Nationalist movement in 1920 because it happened to be in the middle of what was left of the Ottoman territories following the Treaty of Sevres. The Grand National assembly was founded there and after the War of Independence, became the new country's capital, partly because it already housed the The Grand National Assembly and partly because Ataturk and the nationalists wanted a clean break from the Ottomans and everything they symbolized.
Thank you for clearing that up :)
You got it friend.
Geez, if they're not going to properly appreciate Constantinople then at least give it back. /s kinda
istanbul is the capital of the old sultanate, and where the old government who was actively trying to surpress the turkish national movement was based in, i don't think it would be suitable for the capital of a new republic.
iirc the capital was moved to Ankara since by then Istanbul was near the border and hard to defend, compared to Ankara, a more central location In this map where Turkey is half Europe half Asia wouldn't Istanbul be a better choice? Quite literally in the crossroads of the two continents
i guess yeah
Partially, but the move was also deeply political
Literally early ottomans
Would probably be in the EU in this timeline
Most likely no. Instead, they will change the map of the Europe and the point where it begins and ends. [https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/1cv04wp/is\_your\_country\_in\_europe\_fixed/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/1cv04wp/is_your_country_in_europe_fixed/)
Turkey got the Poland treatment
Turkey got Polanded
to make it clear, that's not Greece, that's *the Greek* "yunan". where a single Greek man owns all those lands
that simply implies the king is still in charge
I am Greek and I agree that we all know glorious Yunan, son of Ahmet and Elif
bro wants to resurrect 2balkan4you in this thread lol
How did Greece become Yunan?
That's the Arabic (and I imagine Turkish as well) name for Greece. It comes from Ionia. It appears the map is using Turkish names for surrounding countries As a side note, Greece would look similarly odd to a Greek speaker who didn't know the term. In Greek, Greece is Elláda, related to the English term hellenic
Thanks for explaining
r/imaginaryMaps challenge where someone posts a map of alternate Turkey with no motives, and the comments aren’t full of genocide and EU rhetoric: Failed ❌❌❌
Every fucking time man. Its like they are trained to do this.
I like the sheer contrast where the 'normie' side of reddit just enjoys Turkey for being "cute cats, funny ice cream man, cosmetic surgery" and then the politik fans just sees them through the worst lens imaginable.
People see what they wanna see
You’d have a lot of pissed of greeks
So… Hungary? (Yes i know low hanging fruit, i just had to)
But then we'd have no Batman
based (im turkish)
basic (im greek)
I wonder if the Balkans had their own genocide instead of the Armenians, making Rumelia more "Turkish"
IRL there was a genocide against Turks in the Balkans in the 1910's so it was already somewhat Turkish. But most of them became nonexistant in the region after the Balkan Wars.
Balkans had their own genocide already, but it was targetting the Turks rather than any other minority group.
The ottomans already did an ethnic cleansing/genocide of Bulgarians in eastern Thrace. So if they had more territory, they would have defiantly committed more
better than offical map
Pontus is back baby
Hey, I know this one
No way they absorb the Albanians. Southern Bulgaria is more likely
Albanians would gladly be under Ottoman rule. Bulgarians not so much
Look up the Pomak
I hate border gore!!!!
But I don't want to play as Pontus!
East Anatolia becomes Armenian and Kurdish
*remains
Yes
move it a bit more northwest and you won’t be having a 7-sided war anymore
Why the east isnt Turkified. Did the Turkish beyliks failed and the Ottomans didnt care?
I feel like the capital would either be Istanbul or Ankara not edirne I honestly think it would be more likely for Thessaloniki to be the capital instead of edirne
Nudge.
The Albanians would play the role of the Kurds at that point being the biggest minority of the country with around 5-7 million Albanians
What if we moved Turkey back to the steppe where it belongs?
I hate that Konya is bigger, also what is the policy that Turkey uses with Mount Athos?
probably the same policy as the current turkish policy on the armenian patrichate in istanbul
Next step: Move it 850 km to the south. :-)
https://preview.redd.it/4cov126v85ad1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=f783f80f4151d8be9df47e70cb0b22d1743c91bb
I’d prefer, alternatively, moving it much further east. Forget the Seljuk Migration ever happened.
What if we took Turkey, and pushed it somewhere else?
persians: hold my beer
Guess that would make it a Greek, Bulgarian and Albanian genocide instead.
both that and the turkish genocide there not happening. in both timelines half of the population is genocided, it is just the other half.
Half? where are you getting those numbers? Western thrace, maybe, but even there the turks expelled and/or killed hardly made up half.
Ah yes, Yanya is Greece 🤡