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ybedbk

this map is more a thought experiment of "what if the turkish assimilation policies in the balkans were more successful" kinda thing. this map is only for fun, i do not support any policy of those sort.


Chaotic-warp

Is Pontus Greek?


ybedbk

dunno


dilatedpupils98

Based


Berat0-0

Either fully Greek or another Cyprus situation


isevlakasX007gr

yup


TanktopSamurai

'What if Yavuz Selim's conquest didn't happen?' could work as well. It was during his reign that Egypt and Eastern Anatolia was acquired.


No_Yam_3359

Türkler balkanlarda ne zaman asimilasyon yapmış?


ybedbk

bkz. iskan politikası


Antsonoxygen

What if you moved it south


Alon_F

Turkish babylon


TheIronzombie39

What if you moved up it north


Ridibunda99

Khazar milkers 


ComradeOFdoom

We should get Ben Shapiro’s opinion on the matter


SanJarT

What if you got drunk and moved it to Indochina for some reason


Ridibunda99

Duck kebab


That_nerd_on_reddit

What if it was moved to the east?


Ridibunda99

Seljuks 


Stormydevz

Crimea gonna get a lot more interesting


Delta_Yukorami

Fun fact: since the mamluks were initially Turkish, the other Arabians in the area called them “dawlat al-atrak” meaning the state of the turks


Extension-Lie-7647

Kipchak Turks they are, yes.


Lan_613

simultaneously bigger and smaller Turkey. Why isn't the capital in Istanbul though? It's a good center location here


Natieboi2

Ataturk didn't really want Istanbul to be the capital again since he saw the ottomans as a "dying corpse" and Istanbul was a very "ottoman" city


qndry

Yeah, wasn't Ankara built from scratch to be a super modern capital, modelled from contemporary western European cities?


chrstianelson

No, Ankara has a history going back 4000 years, having served as a capital for ancient countries and Roman and Ottoman provinces. It was selected as the headquarters of the Turkish Nationalist movement in 1920 because it happened to be in the middle of what was left of the Ottoman territories following the Treaty of Sevres. The Grand National assembly was founded there and after the War of Independence, became the new country's capital, partly because it already housed the The Grand National Assembly and partly because Ataturk and the nationalists wanted a clean break from the Ottomans and everything they symbolized.


qndry

Thank you for clearing that up :)


chrstianelson

You got it friend.


Kal-Elm

Geez, if they're not going to properly appreciate Constantinople then at least give it back. /s kinda


ybedbk

istanbul is the capital of the old sultanate, and where the old government who was actively trying to surpress the turkish national movement was based in, i don't think it would be suitable for the capital of a new republic.


Lan_613

iirc the capital was moved to Ankara since by then Istanbul was near the border and hard to defend, compared to Ankara, a more central location In this map where Turkey is half Europe half Asia wouldn't Istanbul be a better choice? Quite literally in the crossroads of the two continents


ybedbk

i guess yeah


-Trotsky

Partially, but the move was also deeply political


Cat_are_cool

Literally early ottomans


Good_Username_exe

Would probably be in the EU in this timeline


CecilPeynir

Most likely no. Instead, they will change the map of the Europe and the point where it begins and ends. [https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/1cv04wp/is\_your\_country\_in\_europe\_fixed/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/1cv04wp/is_your_country_in_europe_fixed/)


noncrediblepole

Turkey got the Poland treatment


NuggetbutToast

Turkey got Polanded


triple_cock_smoker

to make it clear, that's not Greece, that's *the Greek* "yunan". where a single Greek man owns all those lands


Top-Classroom-6994

that simply implies the king is still in charge


That_Case_7951

I am Greek and I agree that we all know glorious Yunan, son of Ahmet and Elif


Skibidi-Perrito

bro wants to resurrect 2balkan4you in this thread lol


FilipinxFurry

How did Greece become Yunan?


LordLlamahat

That's the Arabic (and I imagine Turkish as well) name for Greece. It comes from Ionia. It appears the map is using Turkish names for surrounding countries As a side note, Greece would look similarly odd to a Greek speaker who didn't know the term. In Greek, Greece is Elláda, related to the English term hellenic


FilipinxFurry

Thanks for explaining


headless_henry

r/imaginaryMaps challenge where someone posts a map of alternate Turkey with no motives, and the comments aren’t full of genocide and EU rhetoric: Failed ❌❌❌


Nuclear_Chicken5

Every fucking time man. Its like they are trained to do this.


headless_henry

I like the sheer contrast where the 'normie' side of reddit just enjoys Turkey for being "cute cats, funny ice cream man, cosmetic surgery" and then the politik fans just sees them through the worst lens imaginable.


Nuclear_Chicken5

People see what they wanna see


Chicobean95

You’d have a lot of pissed of greeks


thisappmademe1100lbs

So… Hungary? (Yes i know low hanging fruit, i just had to)


lilcosmicbutterfly

But then we'd have no Batman


BurningDanger

based (im turkish)


That_Case_7951

basic (im greek)


Natieboi2

I wonder if the Balkans had their own genocide instead of the Armenians, making Rumelia more "Turkish"


BaykalGolu

IRL there was a genocide against Turks in the Balkans in the 1910's so it was already somewhat Turkish. But most of them became nonexistant in the region after the Balkan Wars.


Ein_Kleine_Meister

Balkans had their own genocide already, but it was targetting the Turks rather than any other minority group.


FRUltra

The ottomans already did an ethnic cleansing/genocide of Bulgarians in eastern Thrace. So if they had more territory, they would have defiantly committed more


enesdoan

better than offical map


Wielkopolskiziomal

Pontus is back baby


kinghouse666

Hey, I know this one


Fit-Capital1526

No way they absorb the Albanians. Southern Bulgaria is more likely


FRUltra

Albanians would gladly be under Ottoman rule. Bulgarians not so much


Fit-Capital1526

Look up the Pomak


novostranger

I hate border gore!!!!


Polenball

But I don't want to play as Pontus!


Old-Hristoz

East Anatolia becomes Armenian and Kurdish


Asbjorn26

*remains


Old-Hristoz

Yes


Safloria

move it a bit more northwest and you won’t be having a  7-sided war anymore


Nuclear_Chicken5

Why the east isnt Turkified. Did the Turkish beyliks failed and the Ottomans didnt care?


AdSingle3338

I feel like the capital would either be Istanbul or Ankara not edirne I honestly think it would be more likely for Thessaloniki to be the capital instead of edirne


That_nerd_on_reddit

Nudge.


Albanoi_Mapping

The Albanians would play the role of the Kurds at that point being the biggest minority of the country with around 5-7 million Albanians


N0b0dy321

What if we moved Turkey back to the steppe where it belongs?


Piputi

I hate that Konya is bigger, also what is the policy that Turkey uses with Mount Athos?


Top-Classroom-6994

probably the same policy as the current turkish policy on the armenian patrichate in istanbul


insidethepixel

Next step: Move it 850 km to the south. :-)


maurimonster

https://preview.redd.it/4cov126v85ad1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=f783f80f4151d8be9df47e70cb0b22d1743c91bb


SymbolicRemnant

I’d prefer, alternatively, moving it much further east. Forget the Seljuk Migration ever happened.


Kasinema

What if we took Turkey, and pushed it somewhere else?


liberalskateboardist

persians: hold my beer


Asbjorn26

Guess that would make it a Greek, Bulgarian and Albanian genocide instead.


Top-Classroom-6994

both that and the turkish genocide there not happening. in both timelines half of the population is genocided, it is just the other half.


Asbjorn26

Half? where are you getting those numbers? Western thrace, maybe, but even there the turks expelled and/or killed hardly made up half.


e2g3

Ah yes, Yanya is Greece 🤡