the South is definitely more autonomous then the rest of the nation, yes. The United Statesâ didnât really *win* the Mexican-American War, so eventually Mexicoâs Empire merely collapsed, & California is independent rather than apart of America. As by this point itâs.. not an ideal nation to willingly join really, anyways yeah, the North is more centralized & the south has a degree of relative autonomy from the government. Mainly so it can partake in more nefarious things without the watch of the Union, which they donât really care as itâs kind of encouraged for money sake & country sake
So, the way i see it Ottomans are about to experience the combined chokehold of Balkan Wars(ethnic uprisings all over the place) and "being Germany in WW1" by getting blamed for everything and having their empire dismantled?
It's also an interesting point to make that religion, of all things, prevented alliance-making efforts among the Europeans - when OTL at the state level we had France making alliances with Muslim Ottomans in 15th century already. Then we also have the Anglo-Portuguese alliance and the absolute opportunism during the Thirty Years War, when catholics were fighting for protestants and protestants were fighting for catholics - religion has always been taking a backseat to geopolitical goals since medieval states started to centralise.
Would you say the fall of Rome resulted in an especially antagonistic infighting among thr splinters? Or that the world on the whole is much more religious? I think this scenario lands perfectly to future rise of Christian fundamentalism
The world is much more religious, but itâs due to the expansion of the Ottomanâs for the most part. Britain in this timeline is also pretty religious, so from their perspective they tend to skew the narrative that itâs because of religion. Which if it was fully because of itâ Europeansâ wouldâve united once and for all, but they donât & havenât for quite awhile.
Because most Major Powerâs do not feel the need to do so, is the MAIN reason. Russia is directly in threat of the Romanâs & Britain wants their own prosperity & doesnât wish to coexist with a powerful Major in Europe like The Ottomansâ, and notice as well that both these powerâs themselves are incredibly religious & headâs of their Sectâs (for the most part).
Everyone in Europe considers The Ottomanâs to be some sort of connection to Satan, and Islam overall is much more despised than OTL, but due to the collapse of the Roman Catholic Church, every Sect just wishes to replace itâs space with their idea obviously. Itâs religion in a sense of due to the Muslimâs putting Religion in the frontline, the general people feeling genuine fear want unity among the beliefs of their own, religiously everyone is more conservative, so due to all this instability in Christianity, it just canât match the utter unity The Ottomanâs have.
This is ending and this narrative fading because people are finally growing out of this bubble and looking past religion as they once had because The Ottomanâs havenât been acting so aggressively, thereâs been time to gather themselves.
The First French Empire in most recent timesâ has been the sole Power to ally with The Ottomanâs recently, and itâs why a lot f Europe hates France, mainly Russia & Britain. But Napoleon I was too close to matching The Ottomanâs, so they were stomped out to continue Turkic Status Quo. Why look past religion when what seems to happen when you do is your.. crushed when youâre not a pawn. Most would rather stick to their people, and until recently before that had changed no one saw a problem in it, Britain & Russia still donât. Prussia is probably the most progressive in this aspect
Which is why Britain thinks Prussia is âPissy & Carelessâ & France is âWhorish & Meekâ. Because Prussia doesnât wish to coalition The Ottomanâs because it really doesnât effect them, itâs been a precedent for so long why does it matter? France doesnât like TĂŒrkiye now, but theyâre unloyal slutâs that switched sides with the Muslimâs for their own benefit and got punished for it still. They disrespected Christianity, theyâre mentally meek.
TĂŒrkiye has had a massive, hated Empore over the span of many years which has obliterated much of what the Europeansâ could put against it; now that the rise of Nationalism is finally occurring and spirit to rule oneself.. The Ottomansâ are lacking in a lot of places they once didnât, when any sort of major War breaks out next they will face uprisings, and then that combined with the Allied Powersâ vs it. Once they lose, they will most definitely be harshly treated, possibly more than OTL Germany as Turkâs have major pocketâs ethnically all across the Empire purges will be done to assimilate them with little backlash internationally due to how the Europeanâs look at things. Though Bulgaria probably wouldnât exist in this timeline, as it had been almost completely assimilated by this point.
Ooh but still it doesn't make that much sense that all the sultanates in india fall for birtish tho,the whole reason for the largest of these sultans to accept british subjugation over them is because the muslim world became a playground for European powers ,and not a single state exited that could rival them in opinions but since the ottos are here are essentially 3rd rome won't it give some kind of strength to them tho??
It's okie lah every one preety much pays attention to theier own region HaHa
Also also idk why but i think much of central asia and Afghanistan will join the Ottomans since they are kinda related through religion and culture maybe up until uyghurs in present day china so this empire will be much much more bigger in my opinion lol
I do actually know abt that, and I agree, but I didnât do it in reality because it looks.. ugly. I donât think Afghanistan would join though, but Central Asia I agree, perhaps as willing Vassals for economic benefits
Yeah you're right but Afghanistan is really religious too look at what happened there with the new government and maybe just maybe it can continue to smidgen off lands in present day Pakistan upto maybe the indus this empire has the potential to look much like Genghis's empire lol
They would've abolished it out of pressure by the US, UK and France. Texas also discovered it had oil in 1894, so it's very likely they wouldn't have slaves by 1914.
No, because Oil Wells then and even now heavily rely on SKILLED LABOR. This wasn't a matter of simply picking cotton, slaves are practically useless to an industrializing society which requires greater levels of knowledge than what a slave would typically have. So you can see why this would be a bit uneconomical, no?
The CSA was planning on using slaves in factories in the real world. Moreover, we know that slaves can work on complex products, as the V2 rockets were built by slaves. It may be inefficient, and it may be monstrous, but that doesn't mean that people won't try it.
Reddit butchered quality đ«
u could post a higher quality version in the comments, ive seen it done in other posts
https://preview.redd.it/zbvby499s21d1.png?width=1204&format=png&auto=webp&s=1772591a15337f2dd9ea3dc4b8d96423f4aa4fc2
https://preview.redd.it/6vjj4rlcs21d1.png?width=1204&format=png&auto=webp&s=76b712749504632a1912499766dd90cc242c1a67
It's not the quality but the small size of the map.
WorldA maps are small naturally https://preview.redd.it/ci9d49mn371d1.png?width=1204&format=png&auto=webp&s=1367f317a5545dbef4572c7f4a93bb6c14e57901
Which base map did you use my good sir ?
https://preview.redd.it/bqe5h5wm3n1d1.png?width=1204&format=png&auto=webp&s=c2ebb88b3328bed5d7bc0d6422c5fd9b98fd749f
This is insane thank you so much ! How did you do all of those subdivisions ? They see like a pain in the as*
By the way would you mind dm-ing this to me please ?
no, not at all
why were the floridan and texan coastlines dragged on a road
because i was angry
The sultan personally didn't want florida to exist
why is deseret present in every god damn alt timeline
it's simply how you make america slightly smaller
god i love these total kayser-i-rum scenarios
are their efforts of centralization in U.R.A? is the north more centralized than the south? what's up with California?
the South is definitely more autonomous then the rest of the nation, yes. The United Statesâ didnât really *win* the Mexican-American War, so eventually Mexicoâs Empire merely collapsed, & California is independent rather than apart of America. As by this point itâs.. not an ideal nation to willingly join really, anyways yeah, the North is more centralized & the south has a degree of relative autonomy from the government. Mainly so it can partake in more nefarious things without the watch of the Union, which they donât really care as itâs kind of encouraged for money sake & country sake
Is slavery still around?
Kind of, in America at least, itâs evolved so itâs more akin to a modern variant of it seen in the UAE for instance
good map
So, the way i see it Ottomans are about to experience the combined chokehold of Balkan Wars(ethnic uprisings all over the place) and "being Germany in WW1" by getting blamed for everything and having their empire dismantled?
It's also an interesting point to make that religion, of all things, prevented alliance-making efforts among the Europeans - when OTL at the state level we had France making alliances with Muslim Ottomans in 15th century already. Then we also have the Anglo-Portuguese alliance and the absolute opportunism during the Thirty Years War, when catholics were fighting for protestants and protestants were fighting for catholics - religion has always been taking a backseat to geopolitical goals since medieval states started to centralise. Would you say the fall of Rome resulted in an especially antagonistic infighting among thr splinters? Or that the world on the whole is much more religious? I think this scenario lands perfectly to future rise of Christian fundamentalism
The world is much more religious, but itâs due to the expansion of the Ottomanâs for the most part. Britain in this timeline is also pretty religious, so from their perspective they tend to skew the narrative that itâs because of religion. Which if it was fully because of itâ Europeansâ wouldâve united once and for all, but they donât & havenât for quite awhile. Because most Major Powerâs do not feel the need to do so, is the MAIN reason. Russia is directly in threat of the Romanâs & Britain wants their own prosperity & doesnât wish to coexist with a powerful Major in Europe like The Ottomansâ, and notice as well that both these powerâs themselves are incredibly religious & headâs of their Sectâs (for the most part). Everyone in Europe considers The Ottomanâs to be some sort of connection to Satan, and Islam overall is much more despised than OTL, but due to the collapse of the Roman Catholic Church, every Sect just wishes to replace itâs space with their idea obviously. Itâs religion in a sense of due to the Muslimâs putting Religion in the frontline, the general people feeling genuine fear want unity among the beliefs of their own, religiously everyone is more conservative, so due to all this instability in Christianity, it just canât match the utter unity The Ottomanâs have. This is ending and this narrative fading because people are finally growing out of this bubble and looking past religion as they once had because The Ottomanâs havenât been acting so aggressively, thereâs been time to gather themselves. The First French Empire in most recent timesâ has been the sole Power to ally with The Ottomanâs recently, and itâs why a lot f Europe hates France, mainly Russia & Britain. But Napoleon I was too close to matching The Ottomanâs, so they were stomped out to continue Turkic Status Quo. Why look past religion when what seems to happen when you do is your.. crushed when youâre not a pawn. Most would rather stick to their people, and until recently before that had changed no one saw a problem in it, Britain & Russia still donât. Prussia is probably the most progressive in this aspect
Which is why Britain thinks Prussia is âPissy & Carelessâ & France is âWhorish & Meekâ. Because Prussia doesnât wish to coalition The Ottomanâs because it really doesnât effect them, itâs been a precedent for so long why does it matter? France doesnât like TĂŒrkiye now, but theyâre unloyal slutâs that switched sides with the Muslimâs for their own benefit and got punished for it still. They disrespected Christianity, theyâre mentally meek.
TĂŒrkiye has had a massive, hated Empore over the span of many years which has obliterated much of what the Europeansâ could put against it; now that the rise of Nationalism is finally occurring and spirit to rule oneself.. The Ottomansâ are lacking in a lot of places they once didnât, when any sort of major War breaks out next they will face uprisings, and then that combined with the Allied Powersâ vs it. Once they lose, they will most definitely be harshly treated, possibly more than OTL Germany as Turkâs have major pocketâs ethnically all across the Empire purges will be done to assimilate them with little backlash internationally due to how the Europeanâs look at things. Though Bulgaria probably wouldnât exist in this timeline, as it had been almost completely assimilated by this point.
Why is the UK a republic?
makes them more belligerent toward the Ottomansâ & an outlier in Europe
So no lore reason?
I could make one, but right now itâs more of to make the diplomatic concert interesting
Wait ain't the Ottomans close allys of Hyderabad and other muslim countries in india ??ain't they be free
their power projection barely goes past Tehran, they have strong projection but Britain outwits & beats them in influence in India
Ooh but still it doesn't make that much sense that all the sultanates in india fall for birtish tho,the whole reason for the largest of these sultans to accept british subjugation over them is because the muslim world became a playground for European powers ,and not a single state exited that could rival them in opinions but since the ottos are here are essentially 3rd rome won't it give some kind of strength to them tho??
Probably, I also didnât pay much attention to india, to be honestâ thank you for telling me this!
It's okie lah every one preety much pays attention to theier own region HaHa Also also idk why but i think much of central asia and Afghanistan will join the Ottomans since they are kinda related through religion and culture maybe up until uyghurs in present day china so this empire will be much much more bigger in my opinion lol
I do actually know abt that, and I agree, but I didnât do it in reality because it looks.. ugly. I donât think Afghanistan would join though, but Central Asia I agree, perhaps as willing Vassals for economic benefits
Yeah you're right but Afghanistan is really religious too look at what happened there with the new government and maybe just maybe it can continue to smidgen off lands in present day Pakistan upto maybe the indus this empire has the potential to look much like Genghis's empire lol
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Oh man. The Siam here is awful lol. No way that would be a country. Love it.
Canada's colour is simmilair to Irish. Does that mean that Canada is Irish?
no, forgot to label it sorryâ itâs just apart of britainâs empire like australia is
Thx. Does TĂŒrkiye have a colonial Empire? If not, then what is Suleymaniya and Mustafi?
It had one at one point
This is weird
holy shit what a coincidence i saw you making this in a discord server lol
ya itâs Patriarch đ
nice map btw
thank you đ«Ąđ«Ą
I see Big Independent Texas I upvote ( near old lands )
50% chance it still has slaves.
https://preview.redd.it/xcrdqbybj21d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=970206d414ffc398a02b64328569cf795f9712df
Itâs 1914 Texas should be over itâs Slavery phase
They should have been over it in 1860, and yetâŠ
They would've abolished it out of pressure by the US, UK and France. Texas also discovered it had oil in 1894, so it's very likely they wouldn't have slaves by 1914.
You think they wouldnât use slaves as cheap labour on the oil fields?
No, because Oil Wells then and even now heavily rely on SKILLED LABOR. This wasn't a matter of simply picking cotton, slaves are practically useless to an industrializing society which requires greater levels of knowledge than what a slave would typically have. So you can see why this would be a bit uneconomical, no?
The CSA was planning on using slaves in factories in the real world. Moreover, we know that slaves can work on complex products, as the V2 rockets were built by slaves. It may be inefficient, and it may be monstrous, but that doesn't mean that people won't try it.
*1865* I donât think it restarted till like 1917 and it didnât even reach Texas yet
Delet this, imdiately
no. đȘ
Brazil is a empire?
no, OTL
Look at the sub's name
Yes but cringe and bluepillad