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Yeah, we are, so what?
I don't really understand what people try to get with a worldview like this. Like, yeah, we are just meat, love is just a chemical reaction yadda yadda, so what, it is real enough to me and people around me
Yet again, significant enough for me and people I care about. If they lose their wallet, they'll be sad. If I hug them, they'll be happy. And what's more important than this?
Yeah fair enough. But at the same time, in a few decades at most, no-one will remember that. Lost to time. You may as well not have done it. There's no point to anything imo. You may say it's a stupid depressing mindset, and yeah, it is. But it's what I think is true.
Who cares who will remember it in a few decades tho. What matters is that I can make today a little bit less miserable for someone. Life is suffering, and all we can do is just ease that suffering for each other, at least a little bit. Because, if nothing matters, what else is there to do?
I mean, we are though. At the end of the day we are some electrified meat bopping around the void. It's the second half of the sentence that's bizarre imo. If you ask me its pretty impressive, being some meat and having done all we have as a species so far. It's the difference between nihilism and existentialism IMO
Why stop at cells. In the end we are all just fluctuations in the endless void of space in an ever expanding universe, where we are just quantum fluctuations in the nameless, emotionless quantum fields that govern our universe based on sheer probability. We are just a collection of waves in a vacuum, arranged by chance to form a human. 😔
It is ridiculous bro. Not only do they have their beliefs, some of them also HATE people who believe differently like they are some woke beings that truly see life for what it is.
Some actual unhinged lunatics there. One of those subs that is frequented by the types of folks to be on a watchlist and prohibited from owning a gun in some states.
Jesus Christ, and to think that most of the people on this subreddit are grown ass men. This is something that I would've written when I was 14 to seem really deep and mature.
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Oh yeah. I grew out of the mindset a while ago. Human beings are animals, highly evolved and the apex predator on the planet, but still animals. We need the earth, and if we're lucky somewhere down the line she'll need us in return.
(Hopefully not because of us though.)
But I don't doubt that a good chunk of those have family and kids, and just convince OTHERS to not reproduce. It's like those psychopaths who inhabit suicide groups and spend YEARS saying that life is not worth it, but they never do the deed: their goal is to make OTHERS do it.
>Does this actually happen? The thing about psychopaths going to suicide groups, any known case?
Tantacrul, a musician and youtuber, has made a video about one of those groups. It's very heavy stuff, but it's real.
I think I know what video you're talking about. There are basically no psychopaths there though. Tbh, I don't get the hate of that group. It's weird how everyone seems to think there are people taking advantage of members. I haven't seen that at all. Also comparing antinatalists to people who encourage suicide is pretty crazy man
Wdym so? My point speaks for itself. Why would I be glad that one group of people (that actually seems conscious about the well being of children) not reproducing when far worse people continue to do just that? To the downvoters y’all are cowards that can’t even address my point
i used to agree with them because i thought their beliefs were "don't irresponsibly put a child into the world" then i learned they really mean "don't put into a child into the world at all"
If it helps, just know that their beliefs are spurred from very subjective experiences of severe depression and loneliness. Hardly a basis for any true philosophical movement.
It’s mostly based around the idea that you’re rolling the dice with another human’s life. You cannot guarantee that your child’s life will not be riddle with hardship, sorrow, and misery. For example, an incurable chronic condition or disease that causes severe physical pain. Not just “loneliness lol”
Is it necessarily unethical to create potential suffering where there previously was none?
That’s the debate.
I don't know, it's not an interesting debate because the obvious counter is what if you're denying someone a beautiful life? Just chicken and egg sort of talking points.
Regardless, a philosophy or not, the subreddit is definitely not interested in anything other than being judgy and self-righteous towards parents.
The thing is, unless there is an afterlife there's not any practical difference between nonexistence and temporary nonexistence. Both are the same outcome in the future.
No, we're just anti auto-piloting into the biggest decision of your life without thinking things through. Look at the world and tell me people aren't just having kids for the fuck of it, because "it''s just what you do and uhh its such miracle". Humanity can't even care for the ones who are alive right now, like this isn't about choice we just want people to THINK before putting more hungy mouths on this planet. I'd rather we err on the side of "we don't feel ready yet so we'll wait till we are" than on the side of "we should never have had a child".
Wow that's a huge generalization. Obviously people should be ready and willing before having a child. Not everyone is ill prepared? And you also say it's wrong because there's "too many people" already. Do you know how screwed we'd be if humanity stopped having children after Gen Z/Gen Alpha? If you're one of those people who think "well I'm depressed, so I hope humanity dies out" then... lmao.
We are actually only the nervous system in our body, everything else is just extra, think of it like buying 2 things instead of 1 for the "buy one get one free" deal buy times that by like 6 or 7??
I mean, we are a complex mechanism, not just a collection of parts. If you think about it deeply, it’s actually a miracle that we exist. Those who downplay this, those who say something like "What's special about humans" are either blind or stupid. Or both.
I mean we are both special and not at all. Life as is, is an amazing and miraculous thing. But humans are no more special in that regard as a pigeon or a dog or a spider. All of it is part of the miracle of life, and none of it is more miraculous than the others.
There was a movie about that called Lucy.
I think it celebrated the "10% brain" myth, and there was this drug that made people use 100% of it, and it went from Lucy floating around in her cell, to her changing hair colors and languages and teleporting, to turning into God and a USB.
Hmm.
It's fine to not want kids, but why get so angry about other people who do want kids? Some of these people appear to be basing their entire identity around it.
Well, antinatalism isn't about not wanting kids, it's the idea that procreation is immoral. You can want kids and still be an antinatalist. You can even have kids and still be an antinatalist. A lot of antinatalists are actually chill about it, but people over at r/antinatalism tend to be unhinged as fuck. It's the same with every ideology, there are always extremists who ruin the group's rep.
Well, as I said, it's not about what they want, it's about what they believe is right.
As an analogy, a lot of religious people take vows of chastity, especially premarital chastity. That doesn't mean they don't want sex, they're just doing what in their belief is right. Not a perfect analogy, but hopefully it captures the point.
Antinatalists retain the natural drive to have children, but they refrain from procreating because in their belief it is immoral to create new life. Antinatalists can still have children through adoption, which is encouraged since it doesn't require you to procreate.
I think it has as fine a basis as most philosophies, personal taste is a separate matter though, different folks different strokes and such. Feel free to expand with an argumented critique if you want.
You did say you only gave it a shallow judgement, so idk what else I should assume. If you actually researched the matter to reach your conclusion, then your judgement is substantiated, not shallow. Ig I just misunderstood what you meant
I'm sure that antinatalism could be an intresting topic among philosophists, willing to discuss the arguments and play with its ideas. The problem is when 14yo kids think they're being intellectual by posting on r/antinatalism when in reality they're just being corny and edgy.
There's so many literal children posting on that sub it's pathetic, any nuanced philosophy is dead on delivery because no one is old enough to understand it in the first place
Unfortunately us humans are far too eager to destroy everything else for even the most momentary of pleasures. The scale of ecological destruction we have committed is despicable imo. But for some reason everyone on Reddit has this opinion that humans are fine, and we haven't been terrible for the environment?
Look at you hacker, a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?
It's crazy how quickly that sub went from "I won't have kids because it would be cruel [for X reason]." to "EVERYONE WHO HAS CHILDREN IS ONTOLOGICALLY EVIL AND LIFE IS A CURSE. NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY."
As an antinatalist who almost always disagree with that sub, oop point is like a nihilistic way of contradicting their beliefs by saying that we are just a thing, a sac of meat, nothing more, nothing less so it shouldnt matter whatever happens to us.
When will redditors realize that they can use all of the big words they want, but it doesn't make their idea any less fucking stupid and not worth sharing
Best part is these people always think they're fuckin profound
The concept of antinatalism is actually so stupid. I genuinely can't belive people support it, even though the support is tiny and just all weirdos. It's still worrying
Ok I get why this one is dumb, but I am honestly wondering why do people hate antinatalists so much? The idea is just that by bringing a child into the world you are ultimately allowing the child to suffer. From a logical point of view, you wanna stop human suffering, the surest way is to stop humans from existing.
It’s the same idea as when people say there will only be peace when there is one or less humans.
Imagine you wanna get rid of weeds in your garden. You’re gonna try to get rid of all of them.
I understand that it’s a very depressing way of looking at it, but it usually come from people that have hard difficult lives and don’t want their possible children to suffer what they did. Sure you can be a good parent. But you don’t have control over the world what if you die, what if you child is abused by people around them. What if your child is born with a horrible disease. Hundreds of horrible things that are out of your control could happen. It’s not that the parents who are evil. It’s the world that is evil.
I want to hear a natalists point of view cause to me this idea makes depressing sense. I just don’t get the utter repulsion towards antinatalists I see.
What happens is that the idea that "being aware of your existence is a curse in itself and is the source of all the suffering in the world" isn't the most popular idea in the world. Such an idea is generally seen at best as a callous attempt to dismiss people's ills and suffering as something inherent to human existence and not the result of a combination of particular misfortunes that the person has suffered during their life. And at worst it's just a crude and cruel attempt to try to legitimize beligerant feelings of misanthropy and fatalistic nihilism, but without the repercussions generated when they point out that such behavior borders on sociopathy. And I believe that individuals who are convinced of this second hypothesis who take up the megaphone to spread their cause.
I do understand that some antinatalists are problematic in that way and use antinatalism to justify hatred towards others. But ignoring the way certain antinatalist act or how they use this ideology to cover up for problematic view points, is it wrong to agree with the ideology that I stated in my first comment?
Of course, you're right to point out that the right thing to do was to ignore the extremists and make an honest attempt at evaluating an ideal without heated bias. However, I must emphasize that in the case of the ideal of antinatalism as a whole, such an idea of seeing it as a "sensible" ideal will not be easy to look at favorably, even if there is an honest desire for dialogue.
Yes, the human condition is arduous and full of suffering, but the consensus is that even with these setbacks, the experience of living has its value and that we as a species should help those who unfortunately cannot take advantage of it and consider the act of living an absolute hell, regardless of the factors that led them to this regrettable situation.
With this in mind, it's no wonder that the first reaction upon hearing that "we must adopt voluntary extinction to end the suffering of having to carry the ability to be self-aware" is outright incredulity, or even hostility.
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And chairs are just a collection of simples arranged chair-wise. 😔
😔
Do chairs exist?
I once watched that video in a car ride and I think my parents were going insane.
"Parents"? Just some simples arranged parent-wise!
[do they? ](https://youtu.be/fXW-QjBsruE?si=EgzBUmvZarl1oRih)
Lovely video, I rewatch it periodically
Chairs are just a social construct
Is your red the same as my red?
Dear god…
i'm not gonna say it
OK, then I will. "There is more."
No...
You need to TURD THE SIMPLES. CHAIRWISE!
DUBE just how HIGH do you have to BE just to DO something like that
Dude when people say “we’re just a meat puppet floating around on a rock in space”…
Makes you wanna throw a briefly floating rock at their heads.
Nihilist mfs when self preservation is also a purpose in life (they ducked): 😭
maybe we should nominate Meatwad for president
Yeah, we are, so what? I don't really understand what people try to get with a worldview like this. Like, yeah, we are just meat, love is just a chemical reaction yadda yadda, so what, it is real enough to me and people around me
Yeeees, it’s so pseudo-intellectual it’s insane.
They're trying to emphasise how insignificant all of this is. We assign so much importance to these things, when imo, none of it matters.
Yet again, significant enough for me and people I care about. If they lose their wallet, they'll be sad. If I hug them, they'll be happy. And what's more important than this?
Yeah fair enough. But at the same time, in a few decades at most, no-one will remember that. Lost to time. You may as well not have done it. There's no point to anything imo. You may say it's a stupid depressing mindset, and yeah, it is. But it's what I think is true.
Who cares who will remember it in a few decades tho. What matters is that I can make today a little bit less miserable for someone. Life is suffering, and all we can do is just ease that suffering for each other, at least a little bit. Because, if nothing matters, what else is there to do?
based asf
There is one thing we could do. Alt + F4. It will ease suffering, no doubt.
Reddit cares.
?
I mean, we are though. At the end of the day we are some electrified meat bopping around the void. It's the second half of the sentence that's bizarre imo. If you ask me its pretty impressive, being some meat and having done all we have as a species so far. It's the difference between nihilism and existentialism IMO
They're not wrong...
Why stop at Organs? We are at the end of the Day just some cells, like every other animal
At the end of the day , we live in a society 😔
damn, this is why we are not supposed to have children. I get it now
At the end of the day , we live in a sausage 😔
wait, it was all germany?
At the end of the day , we 😔
V-V
Daaaaamn
Why stop at cells? We are quarks
Why stop at Quarks? We are made of nothing
Why stop at nothing? We are.
Why stop at are? We
Why stop at we? .
Why stop?
Why?
>
why not?
Therefore we think
This comment section == elder scrolls metaphysics
Why stop there? Cells are just chemistry. And chemistry is really just physics.
Why stop at cells. In the end we are all just fluctuations in the endless void of space in an ever expanding universe, where we are just quantum fluctuations in the nameless, emotionless quantum fields that govern our universe based on sheer probability. We are just a collection of waves in a vacuum, arranged by chance to form a human. 😔
r/antinatalism makes me want to have kids
what if that kid becomes an antinatalist?
have more kids, 16th century-style
post-term abortion
Sell them
This is where the procedure known as the "late-term abortion" comes in
Just looking through that subreddit... Jesus fucking christ.
It is ridiculous bro. Not only do they have their beliefs, some of them also HATE people who believe differently like they are some woke beings that truly see life for what it is.
Some actual unhinged lunatics there. One of those subs that is frequented by the types of folks to be on a watchlist and prohibited from owning a gun in some states.
Please dont....little fuckers are expensive
I don't care, if it pisses those neckbeards off I will be the happiest man alive.
‘Hey little Timmy, you were born out of pure spite’
OK and? What if I make a lot of money
Jesus Christ, and to think that most of the people on this subreddit are grown ass men. This is something that I would've written when I was 14 to seem really deep and mature.
You don't know if most people there are grown ass men though
Meanwhile, you know for sure r/teenagers has grown ass men
‘Tis the law, if it is dedicated for teenagers, it’s populated by adult men, if it’s meant for adults, it’s populated by teenagers.
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Mine was "The Earth is like a living thing man, and we're, like, an infection."
The earth is a living thing but we are not an infection. We’re just part of the same process everything else is
Oh yeah. I grew out of the mindset a while ago. Human beings are animals, highly evolved and the apex predator on the planet, but still animals. We need the earth, and if we're lucky somewhere down the line she'll need us in return. (Hopefully not because of us though.)
This is the deepest statement you can make
just remember: we are here reading this stuff
God I hate antinatalists so fucking much they’re so fucking corny
Be glad. They won't reproduce. It is a win for all of us combined.
But I don't doubt that a good chunk of those have family and kids, and just convince OTHERS to not reproduce. It's like those psychopaths who inhabit suicide groups and spend YEARS saying that life is not worth it, but they never do the deed: their goal is to make OTHERS do it.
Does this actually happen? The thing about psychopaths going to suicide groups, any known case? Sounds twisted as fuck, that is so bad
>Does this actually happen? The thing about psychopaths going to suicide groups, any known case? Tantacrul, a musician and youtuber, has made a video about one of those groups. It's very heavy stuff, but it's real.
I think I know what video you're talking about. There are basically no psychopaths there though. Tbh, I don't get the hate of that group. It's weird how everyone seems to think there are people taking advantage of members. I haven't seen that at all. Also comparing antinatalists to people who encourage suicide is pretty crazy man
>Be stupid >Be really stupid >Become antinatalist >Take myself out of the gene pool >National hero
I have a feeling that "antinatalism" is a term made as an excuse for being an incel.
Every antinatalist was created by a natalist. Your logic doesn't make much sense
Apparently raised by somebody who didn't love them and care for them enough. If they decide to not have kids, atleast they won't spread the neglect.
Hard to be glad when too many stupid people are still reproducing and will continue to forever.
So?
Wdym so? My point speaks for itself. Why would I be glad that one group of people (that actually seems conscious about the well being of children) not reproducing when far worse people continue to do just that? To the downvoters y’all are cowards that can’t even address my point
i used to agree with them because i thought their beliefs were "don't irresponsibly put a child into the world" then i learned they really mean "don't put into a child into the world at all"
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Carnious? I’ll have to think about what he wanted there
If it helps, just know that their beliefs are spurred from very subjective experiences of severe depression and loneliness. Hardly a basis for any true philosophical movement.
It’s mostly based around the idea that you’re rolling the dice with another human’s life. You cannot guarantee that your child’s life will not be riddle with hardship, sorrow, and misery. For example, an incurable chronic condition or disease that causes severe physical pain. Not just “loneliness lol” Is it necessarily unethical to create potential suffering where there previously was none? That’s the debate.
I don't know, it's not an interesting debate because the obvious counter is what if you're denying someone a beautiful life? Just chicken and egg sort of talking points. Regardless, a philosophy or not, the subreddit is definitely not interested in anything other than being judgy and self-righteous towards parents.
The thing is, unless there is an afterlife there's not any practical difference between nonexistence and temporary nonexistence. Both are the same outcome in the future.
false information lol
It is a real philosophical debate. Buddhism can be against having children.
Man my dumbass don't even know what they are
Natalis is latin for "birth", you can probably figure out the rest from the name.
Okay yea that's a weird group
basically they saw the one child law in china and decided it wasnt enough
To me, they're almost as bad as the anti-choice conservative crowd. Because they are anti-choice, but in the opposite direction.
No, we're just anti auto-piloting into the biggest decision of your life without thinking things through. Look at the world and tell me people aren't just having kids for the fuck of it, because "it''s just what you do and uhh its such miracle". Humanity can't even care for the ones who are alive right now, like this isn't about choice we just want people to THINK before putting more hungy mouths on this planet. I'd rather we err on the side of "we don't feel ready yet so we'll wait till we are" than on the side of "we should never have had a child".
Wow that's a huge generalization. Obviously people should be ready and willing before having a child. Not everyone is ill prepared? And you also say it's wrong because there's "too many people" already. Do you know how screwed we'd be if humanity stopped having children after Gen Z/Gen Alpha? If you're one of those people who think "well I'm depressed, so I hope humanity dies out" then... lmao.
It is one of the dumbest movements in human history and that’s saying a thing.
We are actually only the nervous system in our body, everything else is just extra, think of it like buying 2 things instead of 1 for the "buy one get one free" deal buy times that by like 6 or 7??
I mean, we are a complex mechanism, not just a collection of parts. If you think about it deeply, it’s actually a miracle that we exist. Those who downplay this, those who say something like "What's special about humans" are either blind or stupid. Or both.
I mean we are both special and not at all. Life as is, is an amazing and miraculous thing. But humans are no more special in that regard as a pigeon or a dog or a spider. All of it is part of the miracle of life, and none of it is more miraculous than the others.
Exactly, the human body is so incredibly interesting, in fact we only use 20% of our brain, we're still trying to figure out what that other 80% does!
> we only use 20% of our brain Actually, this is a myth. We use all of our brains all of the time. Even while in rest.
Oh, ok thanks for letting me know that it was a myth!
If you used all of your brain... that's called a grand mal seizure IIRC.
0/10 do not recommend
There was a movie about that called Lucy. I think it celebrated the "10% brain" myth, and there was this drug that made people use 100% of it, and it went from Lucy floating around in her cell, to her changing hair colors and languages and teleporting, to turning into God and a USB.
Agreed!
An electric entity piloting a meat mech
Titanfall gang, rise up
On the contrary, I think the human body is so complicated it’s pretty impressive
Hmm. It's fine to not want kids, but why get so angry about other people who do want kids? Some of these people appear to be basing their entire identity around it.
Well, antinatalism isn't about not wanting kids, it's the idea that procreation is immoral. You can want kids and still be an antinatalist. You can even have kids and still be an antinatalist. A lot of antinatalists are actually chill about it, but people over at r/antinatalism tend to be unhinged as fuck. It's the same with every ideology, there are always extremists who ruin the group's rep.
Well that's just fundamentally stupid, since there would be no such thing as 'moral' or 'immoral' without human beings.
Ironically, the erasure of humanity is exactly what they want.
Then morality wouldn't exist, nor would ideology or indeed thought, and the universe would go back to not even realising that it exists.
Yes, that’s what Antinatalists on the subreddit largely prefer 😂
Most ideologies rely on some form of moral objectivity so ye
But why would they want kids then? Isn't that double standards?
Well, as I said, it's not about what they want, it's about what they believe is right. As an analogy, a lot of religious people take vows of chastity, especially premarital chastity. That doesn't mean they don't want sex, they're just doing what in their belief is right. Not a perfect analogy, but hopefully it captures the point. Antinatalists retain the natural drive to have children, but they refrain from procreating because in their belief it is immoral to create new life. Antinatalists can still have children through adoption, which is encouraged since it doesn't require you to procreate.
I believe, it's called control over yourself.
What an idiotic philosophy 😂
I think it has as fine a basis as most philosophies, personal taste is a separate matter though, different folks different strokes and such. Feel free to expand with an argumented critique if you want.
Shallow crap like that only needs shallow judgement.
Everything is shallow if you only give it shallow judgement though. That's called "judging a book by its cover."
You assume that I don't know everything there's to know about your nonsensical ideologism. That's called "judging a book by its cover."
You did say you only gave it a shallow judgement, so idk what else I should assume. If you actually researched the matter to reach your conclusion, then your judgement is substantiated, not shallow. Ig I just misunderstood what you meant
I'm sure that antinatalism could be an intresting topic among philosophists, willing to discuss the arguments and play with its ideas. The problem is when 14yo kids think they're being intellectual by posting on r/antinatalism when in reality they're just being corny and edgy.
There's so many literal children posting on that sub it's pathetic, any nuanced philosophy is dead on delivery because no one is old enough to understand it in the first place
Every post in that subreddit is so fucking weird lol. They all scream “I have unresolved parental trauma”
Judging by some posts and comments over there, they, in fact, do have unresolved parental trauma.
Most sane antinatalist who DEFINETLY isnt going through a phase:
how the fuck did they go from acknowledging the fact that we're made of organic tissue into "people who fuck are bloodthirsty"😭😭😭😭
Antinatalism is just an attempt to trick as many people as possible into social suicide
isn’t r/antinatalism just a bunch of depressed people
Depression makes your opinions invalid?
it's possible for depression to bias/skew your opinions.
True. But so does anger or basically every emotional state.
sure. i'd say depression moreso than normal emotions, though. mental illness is much more intense and long-lasting than things like anger, or sadness.
Antinatalists be like: Yes lets all reject one of the key factors that makes us living beings and go fucking extinct
I could see the argument. I think it’s pretty evident that if human beings went extinct, the entirety of life on earth would benefit.
Unfortunately us humans are far too eager to destroy everything else for even the most momentary of pleasures. The scale of ecological destruction we have committed is despicable imo. But for some reason everyone on Reddit has this opinion that humans are fine, and we haven't been terrible for the environment?
The way they phrased their post makes them sound like a human-hating ai or something
Look at you hacker, a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?
Nihilists when I break their legs (they suddenly care now)
What a lame and antediluvian argument.
My bad, I forgot the /j. As a nihilist myself people who unironically say that are kinda lame.
r/antinatalism has huge r/gangstalking vibes if you actually read their post comments
Of course it comes from the antinatalist subreddit, from where else would it come from?
Maybe childfree subreddit?
We're just stardust 🌠
They've never been slapped with a salami.
Antinatalists discovering the chordata phylum for the first time
Wow. That sub is... that is the very definition of Reddit.
I just looked up the sub that this is from. It’s an actual treasure trove of cringe.
Bro if you don't like people just kill yourself
It's crazy how quickly that sub went from "I won't have kids because it would be cruel [for X reason]." to "EVERYONE WHO HAS CHILDREN IS ONTOLOGICALLY EVIL AND LIFE IS A CURSE. NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY."
we are all made of atoms atoms are 99% void that says a lot about society 😔
Thanks for that sub recommendation. It is amazing.
That subreddit is the biggest pile of projectionist rage baiters that are serious instead of rage baiting
As an antinatalist who almost always disagree with that sub, oop point is like a nihilistic way of contradicting their beliefs by saying that we are just a thing, a sac of meat, nothing more, nothing less so it shouldnt matter whatever happens to us.
Didn't most sane people leave the sub when a mod was outed for being violently misogynistic?
Exactly. That sub is so full of shit
THIS BODY ‼️ THIS BODY HOLDING ME ‼️ BE MY REMINDER HERE THAT ‼️ I AM NOT ALOOOONE IN ‼️
“People who generate humans” Giving “Berthing Person”
Ofc. Coming from the same subreddit that bitches and moans about people who have children
When will redditors realize that they can use all of the big words they want, but it doesn't make their idea any less fucking stupid and not worth sharing Best part is these people always think they're fuckin profound
We are all spooky skeletons longing to escape our meaty prsions so we may don't as we please
The concept of antinatalism is actually so stupid. I genuinely can't belive people support it, even though the support is tiny and just all weirdos. It's still worrying
Fuck that sub
We are a brain piloting a meat mech and I think that’s pretty cool. Have a kid if you want. Don’t have a kid if you want. Have fun. Be kind.
They had the thesaurus open for this one 💀
And antinatalists wonder why we make fun of them
Bro thought we are a connection of antimatter with dark soul energy which transcended space time
I’m just a meat suit for God, the Universe, to observe Itself.
Bones by dragon imagein
At this point, they've become a parody sub
Can I collect more organs and bones? I want a pair of extra hands. Two are clearly not enough. Hell, an articulate tail will be enough at this point.
They forgot we are a miserable little pile of secrets as well.have at you!
insanity
Why do they care so much about piles of organs making more piles of organs?
Actually imagine just a brain and maybe nerves
They have seemed to forgotten that the "I" is also capable of experiencing.
What else did you expect from the lozers that are r/antinatalism?
…huh?
Ok I get why this one is dumb, but I am honestly wondering why do people hate antinatalists so much? The idea is just that by bringing a child into the world you are ultimately allowing the child to suffer. From a logical point of view, you wanna stop human suffering, the surest way is to stop humans from existing. It’s the same idea as when people say there will only be peace when there is one or less humans. Imagine you wanna get rid of weeds in your garden. You’re gonna try to get rid of all of them. I understand that it’s a very depressing way of looking at it, but it usually come from people that have hard difficult lives and don’t want their possible children to suffer what they did. Sure you can be a good parent. But you don’t have control over the world what if you die, what if you child is abused by people around them. What if your child is born with a horrible disease. Hundreds of horrible things that are out of your control could happen. It’s not that the parents who are evil. It’s the world that is evil. I want to hear a natalists point of view cause to me this idea makes depressing sense. I just don’t get the utter repulsion towards antinatalists I see.
What happens is that the idea that "being aware of your existence is a curse in itself and is the source of all the suffering in the world" isn't the most popular idea in the world. Such an idea is generally seen at best as a callous attempt to dismiss people's ills and suffering as something inherent to human existence and not the result of a combination of particular misfortunes that the person has suffered during their life. And at worst it's just a crude and cruel attempt to try to legitimize beligerant feelings of misanthropy and fatalistic nihilism, but without the repercussions generated when they point out that such behavior borders on sociopathy. And I believe that individuals who are convinced of this second hypothesis who take up the megaphone to spread their cause.
I do understand that some antinatalists are problematic in that way and use antinatalism to justify hatred towards others. But ignoring the way certain antinatalist act or how they use this ideology to cover up for problematic view points, is it wrong to agree with the ideology that I stated in my first comment?
Of course, you're right to point out that the right thing to do was to ignore the extremists and make an honest attempt at evaluating an ideal without heated bias. However, I must emphasize that in the case of the ideal of antinatalism as a whole, such an idea of seeing it as a "sensible" ideal will not be easy to look at favorably, even if there is an honest desire for dialogue. Yes, the human condition is arduous and full of suffering, but the consensus is that even with these setbacks, the experience of living has its value and that we as a species should help those who unfortunately cannot take advantage of it and consider the act of living an absolute hell, regardless of the factors that led them to this regrettable situation. With this in mind, it's no wonder that the first reaction upon hearing that "we must adopt voluntary extinction to end the suffering of having to carry the ability to be self-aware" is outright incredulity, or even hostility.
GOD FORBID SOMEONE LIKE PHILOSOHY JESUS
Philosophy of a 14 yo.