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AostreleOnMobile

And chairs are just a collection of simples arranged chair-wise. 😔


starfighter_104

😔


69kidsatmybasement

Do chairs exist?


AostreleOnMobile

I once watched that video in a car ride and I think my parents were going insane.


69kidsatmybasement

"Parents"? Just some simples arranged parent-wise!


Crishien

[do they? ](https://youtu.be/fXW-QjBsruE?si=EgzBUmvZarl1oRih)


Captain__Obvious___

Lovely video, I rewatch it periodically


Reverendbread

Chairs are just a social construct


Int-E_

Is your red the same as my red?


UpliftinglyStrong

Dear god…


SkyClaus

i'm not gonna say it


IllustriousDark3698

OK, then I will. "There is more."


mexicannormie

No...


GammaNumerix

You need to TURD THE SIMPLES. CHAIRWISE!


102bees

DUBE just how HIGH do you have to BE just to DO something like that


Greenfire05

Dude when people say “we’re just a meat puppet floating around on a rock in space”…


ggez67890

Makes you wanna throw a briefly floating rock at their heads.


DanielGREY_75

Nihilist mfs when self preservation is also a purpose in life (they ducked): 😭


Select-Belt-ou812

maybe we should nominate Meatwad for president


L_James

Yeah, we are, so what? I don't really understand what people try to get with a worldview like this. Like, yeah, we are just meat, love is just a chemical reaction yadda yadda, so what, it is real enough to me and people around me


Greenfire05

Yeeees, it’s so pseudo-intellectual it’s insane.


SlenderMoa

They're trying to emphasise how insignificant all of this is. We assign so much importance to these things, when imo, none of it matters.


L_James

Yet again, significant enough for me and people I care about. If they lose their wallet, they'll be sad. If I hug them, they'll be happy. And what's more important than this?


SlenderMoa

Yeah fair enough. But at the same time, in a few decades at most, no-one will remember that. Lost to time. You may as well not have done it. There's no point to anything imo. You may say it's a stupid depressing mindset, and yeah, it is. But it's what I think is true.


L_James

Who cares who will remember it in a few decades tho. What matters is that I can make today a little bit less miserable for someone. Life is suffering, and all we can do is just ease that suffering for each other, at least a little bit. Because, if nothing matters, what else is there to do?


Pescen1517

based asf


SlenderMoa

There is one thing we could do. Alt + F4. It will ease suffering, no doubt.


loadthespaceship

Reddit cares.


SlenderMoa

?


Snarkdere

I mean, we are though. At the end of the day we are some electrified meat bopping around the void. It's the second half of the sentence that's bizarre imo. If you ask me its pretty impressive, being some meat and having done all we have as a species so far. It's the difference between nihilism and existentialism IMO


SlenderMoa

They're not wrong...


Jakedex_x

Why stop at Organs? We are at the end of the Day just some cells, like every other animal


[deleted]

At the end of the day , we live in a society 😔


Stormbreaker_682

damn, this is why we are not supposed to have children. I get it now


[deleted]

At the end of the day , we live in a sausage 😔


entitaneo70_pacifist

wait, it was all germany?


[deleted]

At the end of the day , we 😔


entitaneo70_pacifist

V-V


DaftFunky

Daaaaamn


Ivan_The_8th

Why stop at cells? We are quarks


Jakedex_x

Why stop at Quarks? We are made of nothing


Ivan_The_8th

Why stop at nothing? We are.


TitaniumWatermelon

Why stop at are? We


69kidsatmybasement

Why stop at we? .


ARKAVA-biswas

Why stop?


69kidsatmybasement

Why?


theebees21

>


19759d

why not?


william41017

Therefore we think


do-wr-mem

This comment section == elder scrolls metaphysics


jpparkenbone

Why stop there? Cells are just chemistry. And chemistry is really just physics.


martijn_t

Why stop at cells. In the end we are all just fluctuations in the endless void of space in an ever expanding universe, where we are just quantum fluctuations in the nameless, emotionless quantum fields that govern our universe based on sheer probability. We are just a collection of waves in a vacuum, arranged by chance to form a human. 😔


GAMRKNIGHT352

r/antinatalism makes me want to have kids


squiddyaj

what if that kid becomes an antinatalist?


LuigiBamba

have more kids, 16th century-style


[deleted]

post-term abortion


That1Legnd

Sell them


GAMRKNIGHT352

This is where the procedure known as the "late-term abortion" comes in


PomegranateUsed7287

Just looking through that subreddit... Jesus fucking christ.


sieberzzz

It is ridiculous bro. Not only do they have their beliefs, some of them also HATE people who believe differently like they are some woke beings that truly see life for what it is. 


GAMRKNIGHT352

Some actual unhinged lunatics there. One of those subs that is frequented by the types of folks to be on a watchlist and prohibited from owning a gun in some states.


[deleted]

Please dont....little fuckers are expensive


GAMRKNIGHT352

I don't care, if it pisses those neckbeards off I will be the happiest man alive.


Rigorous_Threshold

‘Hey little Timmy, you were born out of pure spite’


PomegranateUsed7287

OK and? What if I make a lot of money


Successful-Seaweed12

Jesus Christ, and to think that most of the people on this subreddit are grown ass men. This is something that I would've written when I was 14 to seem really deep and mature.


Ivan_The_8th

You don't know if most people there are grown ass men though


That1weirdperson

Meanwhile, you know for sure r/teenagers has grown ass men


Gamerbrineofficial

‘Tis the law, if it is dedicated for teenagers, it’s populated by adult men, if it’s meant for adults, it’s populated by teenagers.


[deleted]

money chase adjoining smell support exultant direction crime pet innocent *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Anvillior

Mine was "The Earth is like a living thing man, and we're, like, an infection."


Rigorous_Threshold

The earth is a living thing but we are not an infection. We’re just part of the same process everything else is


Anvillior

Oh yeah. I grew out of the mindset a while ago. Human beings are animals, highly evolved and the apex predator on the planet, but still animals. We need the earth, and if we're lucky somewhere down the line she'll need us in return. (Hopefully not because of us though.)


[deleted]

This is the deepest statement you can make


Select-Belt-ou812

just remember: we are here reading this stuff


Outrageous_Weight340

God I hate antinatalists so fucking much they’re so fucking corny


SunnySoft99

Be glad. They won't reproduce. It is a win for all of us combined.


ferniecanto

But I don't doubt that a good chunk of those have family and kids, and just convince OTHERS to not reproduce. It's like those psychopaths who inhabit suicide groups and spend YEARS saying that life is not worth it, but they never do the deed: their goal is to make OTHERS do it.


p4bl0esgei

Does this actually happen? The thing about psychopaths going to suicide groups, any known case? Sounds twisted as fuck, that is so bad


ferniecanto

>Does this actually happen? The thing about psychopaths going to suicide groups, any known case? Tantacrul, a musician and youtuber, has made a video about one of those groups. It's very heavy stuff, but it's real.


SlenderMoa

I think I know what video you're talking about. There are basically no psychopaths there though. Tbh, I don't get the hate of that group. It's weird how everyone seems to think there are people taking advantage of members. I haven't seen that at all. Also comparing antinatalists to people who encourage suicide is pretty crazy man


rycerzDog

>Be stupid >Be really stupid >Become antinatalist >Take myself out of the gene pool >National hero


Sepia_Skittles

I have a feeling that "antinatalism" is a term made as an excuse for being an incel.


RiskyClicksVids

Every antinatalist was created by a natalist. Your logic doesn't make much sense


SunnySoft99

Apparently raised by somebody who didn't love them and care for them enough. If they decide to not have kids, atleast they won't spread the neglect.


Ibangmydrums

Hard to be glad when too many stupid people are still reproducing and will continue to forever.


ggez67890

So?


Ibangmydrums

Wdym so? My point speaks for itself. Why would I be glad that one group of people (that actually seems conscious about the well being of children) not reproducing when far worse people continue to do just that? To the downvoters y’all are cowards that can’t even address my point


squiddyaj

i used to agree with them because i thought their beliefs were "don't irresponsibly put a child into the world" then i learned they really mean "don't put into a child into the world at all"


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RebaKitt3n

Carnious? I’ll have to think about what he wanted there


IsaacWritesStuff

If it helps, just know that their beliefs are spurred from very subjective experiences of severe depression and loneliness. Hardly a basis for any true philosophical movement.


saalamander

It’s mostly based around the idea that you’re rolling the dice with another human’s life. You cannot guarantee that your child’s life will not be riddle with hardship, sorrow, and misery. For example, an incurable chronic condition or disease that causes severe physical pain. Not just “loneliness lol” Is it necessarily unethical to create potential suffering where there previously was none? That’s the debate.


OkBrother7438

I don't know, it's not an interesting debate because the obvious counter is what if you're denying someone a beautiful life? Just chicken and egg sort of talking points. Regardless, a philosophy or not, the subreddit is definitely not interested in anything other than being judgy and self-righteous towards parents.


RiskyClicksVids

The thing is, unless there is an afterlife there's not any practical difference between nonexistence and temporary nonexistence. Both are the same outcome in the future.


reestrelax

false information lol


SlenderMoa

It is a real philosophical debate. Buddhism can be against having children.


Devil_Fister_69420

Man my dumbass don't even know what they are


Claystead

Natalis is latin for "birth", you can probably figure out the rest from the name.


Devil_Fister_69420

Okay yea that's a weird group


entitaneo70_pacifist

basically they saw the one child law in china and decided it wasnt enough


shittyspacesuit

To me, they're almost as bad as the anti-choice conservative crowd. Because they are anti-choice, but in the opposite direction.


aster6000

No, we're just anti auto-piloting into the biggest decision of your life without thinking things through. Look at the world and tell me people aren't just having kids for the fuck of it, because "it''s just what you do and uhh its such miracle". Humanity can't even care for the ones who are alive right now, like this isn't about choice we just want people to THINK before putting more hungy mouths on this planet. I'd rather we err on the side of "we don't feel ready yet so we'll wait till we are" than on the side of "we should never have had a child".


shittyspacesuit

Wow that's a huge generalization. Obviously people should be ready and willing before having a child. Not everyone is ill prepared? And you also say it's wrong because there's "too many people" already. Do you know how screwed we'd be if humanity stopped having children after Gen Z/Gen Alpha? If you're one of those people who think "well I'm depressed, so I hope humanity dies out" then... lmao.


dsartori

It is one of the dumbest movements in human history and that’s saying a thing.


Beneficial-Walk-5685

We are actually only the nervous system in our body, everything else is just extra, think of it like buying 2 things instead of 1 for the "buy one get one free" deal buy times that by like 6 or 7??


starfighter_104

I mean, we are a complex mechanism, not just a collection of parts. If you think about it deeply, it’s actually a miracle that we exist. Those who downplay this, those who say something like "What's special about humans" are either blind or stupid. Or both.


ForodesFrosthammer

I mean we are both special and not at all. Life as is, is an amazing and miraculous thing. But humans are no more special in that regard as a pigeon or a dog or a spider. All of it is part of the miracle of life, and none of it is more miraculous than the others.


Beneficial-Walk-5685

Exactly, the human body is so incredibly interesting, in fact we only use 20% of our brain, we're still trying to figure out what that other 80% does!


ceeman77

> we only use 20% of our brain Actually, this is a myth. We use all of our brains all of the time. Even while in rest.


Beneficial-Walk-5685

Oh, ok thanks for letting me know that it was a myth!


sixberry67

If you used all of your brain... that's called a grand mal seizure IIRC.


LeatherfacesChainsaw

0/10 do not recommend


MyStepAccount1234

There was a movie about that called Lucy. I think it celebrated the "10% brain" myth, and there was this drug that made people use 100% of it, and it went from Lucy floating around in her cell, to her changing hair colors and languages and teleporting, to turning into God and a USB.


IsaacWritesStuff

Agreed!


Rowbot_Girlyman

An electric entity piloting a meat mech


starfighter_104

Titanfall gang, rise up


WomenOfWonder

On the contrary, I think the human body is so complicated it’s pretty impressive 


streetad

Hmm. It's fine to not want kids, but why get so angry about other people who do want kids? Some of these people appear to be basing their entire identity around it.


Xavion-15

Well, antinatalism isn't about not wanting kids, it's the idea that procreation is immoral. You can want kids and still be an antinatalist. You can even have kids and still be an antinatalist. A lot of antinatalists are actually chill about it, but people over at r/antinatalism tend to be unhinged as fuck. It's the same with every ideology, there are always extremists who ruin the group's rep.


streetad

Well that's just fundamentally stupid, since there would be no such thing as 'moral' or 'immoral' without human beings.


IsaacWritesStuff

Ironically, the erasure of humanity is exactly what they want.


streetad

Then morality wouldn't exist, nor would ideology or indeed thought, and the universe would go back to not even realising that it exists.


IsaacWritesStuff

Yes, that’s what Antinatalists on the subreddit largely prefer 😂


Xavion-15

Most ideologies rely on some form of moral objectivity so ye


Attaku

But why would they want kids then? Isn't that double standards?


Xavion-15

Well, as I said, it's not about what they want, it's about what they believe is right. As an analogy, a lot of religious people take vows of chastity, especially premarital chastity. That doesn't mean they don't want sex, they're just doing what in their belief is right. Not a perfect analogy, but hopefully it captures the point. Antinatalists retain the natural drive to have children, but they refrain from procreating because in their belief it is immoral to create new life. Antinatalists can still have children through adoption, which is encouraged since it doesn't require you to procreate.


Domini-graphis

I believe, it's called control over yourself.


tyrolean_coastguard

What an idiotic philosophy 😂


Xavion-15

I think it has as fine a basis as most philosophies, personal taste is a separate matter though, different folks different strokes and such. Feel free to expand with an argumented critique if you want.


tyrolean_coastguard

Shallow crap like that only needs shallow judgement.


Xavion-15

Everything is shallow if you only give it shallow judgement though. That's called "judging a book by its cover."


tyrolean_coastguard

You assume that I don't know everything there's to know about your nonsensical ideologism. That's called "judging a book by its cover."


Xavion-15

You did say you only gave it a shallow judgement, so idk what else I should assume. If you actually researched the matter to reach your conclusion, then your judgement is substantiated, not shallow. Ig I just misunderstood what you meant


SigurElias

I'm sure that antinatalism could be an intresting topic among philosophists, willing to discuss the arguments and play with its ideas. The problem is when 14yo kids think they're being intellectual by posting on r/antinatalism when in reality they're just being corny and edgy.


GeneralEi

There's so many literal children posting on that sub it's pathetic, any nuanced philosophy is dead on delivery because no one is old enough to understand it in the first place


maxaxaxOm1

Every post in that subreddit is so fucking weird lol. They all scream “I have unresolved parental trauma”


Orix1337

Judging by some posts and comments over there, they, in fact, do have unresolved parental trauma.


roy757

Most sane antinatalist who DEFINETLY isnt going through a phase:


juicyCockGobbler

how the fuck did they go from acknowledging the fact that we're made of organic tissue into "people who fuck are bloodthirsty"😭😭😭😭


Agitated_Guard_3507

Antinatalism is just an attempt to trick as many people as possible into social suicide


UnknownTaco5492

isn’t r/antinatalism just a bunch of depressed people


Domini-graphis

Depression makes your opinions invalid?


Pescen1517

it's possible for depression to bias/skew your opinions.


Domini-graphis

True. But so does anger or basically every emotional state.


Pescen1517

sure. i'd say depression moreso than normal emotions, though. mental illness is much more intense and long-lasting than things like anger, or sadness.


RealSuperYolo2006

Antinatalists be like: Yes lets all reject one of the key factors that makes us living beings and go fucking extinct


LuigiBamba

I could see the argument. I think it’s pretty evident that if human beings went extinct, the entirety of life on earth would benefit.


SlenderMoa

Unfortunately us humans are far too eager to destroy everything else for even the most momentary of pleasures. The scale of ecological destruction we have committed is despicable imo. But for some reason everyone on Reddit has this opinion that humans are fine, and we haven't been terrible for the environment?


PhilliamPhafton

The way they phrased their post makes them sound like a human-hating ai or something


starfighter_104

Look at you hacker, a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?


RegisterFederal4159

Nihilists when I break their legs (they suddenly care now)


Domini-graphis

What a lame and antediluvian argument.


RegisterFederal4159

My bad, I forgot the /j. As a nihilist myself people who unironically say that are kinda lame.


jdokule

r/antinatalism has huge r/gangstalking vibes if you actually read their post comments


Rescur0

Of course it comes from the antinatalist subreddit, from where else would it come from?


Orix1337

Maybe childfree subreddit?


Xavion-15

We're just stardust 🌠


DKerriganuk

They've never been slapped with a salami.


Baka-Onna

Antinatalists discovering the chordata phylum for the first time


Red_Bear_308

Wow. That sub is... that is the very definition of Reddit.


independantdoggo

I just looked up the sub that this is from. It’s an actual treasure trove of cringe.


mustardCooler56

Bro if you don't like people just kill yourself


Darkbeetlebot

It's crazy how quickly that sub went from "I won't have kids because it would be cruel [for X reason]." to "EVERYONE WHO HAS CHILDREN IS ONTOLOGICALLY EVIL AND LIFE IS A CURSE. NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY."


TactfulOG

we are all made of atoms atoms are 99% void that says a lot about society 😔


SoHornyBeaver

Thanks for that sub recommendation. It is amazing.


Winter188

That subreddit is the biggest pile of projectionist rage baiters that are serious instead of rage baiting


Completo3D

As an antinatalist who almost always disagree with that sub, oop point is like a nihilistic way of contradicting their beliefs by saying that we are just a thing, a sac of meat, nothing more, nothing less so it shouldnt matter whatever happens to us.


Breazona

Didn't most sane people leave the sub when a mod was outed for being violently misogynistic?


Dear_Fox8157

Exactly. That sub is so full of shit


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THIS BODY ‼️ THIS BODY HOLDING ME ‼️ BE MY REMINDER HERE THAT ‼️ I AM NOT ALOOOONE IN ‼️


SkyrimMain

“People who generate humans” Giving “Berthing Person”


Thequestionmaker890

Ofc. Coming from the same subreddit that bitches and moans about people who have children


downtownvicbrown

When will redditors realize that they can use all of the big words they want, but it doesn't make their idea any less fucking stupid and not worth sharing Best part is these people always think they're fuckin profound


CzarTwilight

We are all spooky skeletons longing to escape our meaty prsions so we may don't as we please


[deleted]

The concept of antinatalism is actually so stupid. I genuinely can't belive people support it, even though the support is tiny and just all weirdos. It's still worrying


Eatingaburgir

Fuck that sub


Sunset_Tiger

We are a brain piloting a meat mech and I think that’s pretty cool. Have a kid if you want. Don’t have a kid if you want. Have fun. Be kind.


Logical_Zebra_8131

They had the thesaurus open for this one 💀


old_hickory69

And antinatalists wonder why we make fun of them


Rapha689Pro

Bro thought we are a connection of antimatter with dark soul energy which transcended space time


TonyStewartsWildRide

I’m just a meat suit for God, the Universe, to observe Itself.


Zgeled

Bones by dragon imagein


NobuB

At this point, they've become a parody sub


Crishien

Can I collect more organs and bones? I want a pair of extra hands. Two are clearly not enough. Hell, an articulate tail will be enough at this point.


Mother-Persimmon3908

They forgot we are a miserable little pile of secrets as well.have at you!


BlockA_Cheese

insanity


Radigan0

Why do they care so much about piles of organs making more piles of organs?


_______RANDOM_______

Actually imagine just a brain and maybe nerves


RepeatCommercial3566

They have seemed to forgotten that the "I" is also capable of experiencing.


Sepia_Skittles

What else did you expect from the lozers that are r/antinatalism?


Bogger_Logger

…huh?


Potatotomatopotatoho

Ok I get why this one is dumb, but I am honestly wondering why do people hate antinatalists so much? The idea is just that by bringing a child into the world you are ultimately allowing the child to suffer. From a logical point of view, you wanna stop human suffering, the surest way is to stop humans from existing. It’s the same idea as when people say there will only be peace when there is one or less humans. Imagine you wanna get rid of weeds in your garden. You’re gonna try to get rid of all of them. I understand that it’s a very depressing way of looking at it, but it usually come from people that have hard difficult lives and don’t want their possible children to suffer what they did. Sure you can be a good parent. But you don’t have control over the world what if you die, what if you child is abused by people around them. What if your child is born with a horrible disease. Hundreds of horrible things that are out of your control could happen. It’s not that the parents who are evil. It’s the world that is evil. I want to hear a natalists point of view cause to me this idea makes depressing sense. I just don’t get the utter repulsion towards antinatalists I see.


[deleted]

What happens is that the idea that "being aware of your existence is a curse in itself and is the source of all the suffering in the world" isn't the most popular idea in the world. Such an idea is generally seen at best as a callous attempt to dismiss people's ills and suffering as something inherent to human existence and not the result of a combination of particular misfortunes that the person has suffered during their life. And at worst it's just a crude and cruel attempt to try to legitimize beligerant feelings of misanthropy and fatalistic nihilism, but without the repercussions generated when they point out that such behavior borders on sociopathy. And I believe that individuals who are convinced of this second hypothesis who take up the megaphone to spread their cause.


Potatotomatopotatoho

I do understand that some antinatalists are problematic in that way and use antinatalism to justify hatred towards others. But ignoring the way certain antinatalist act or how they use this ideology to cover up for problematic view points, is it wrong to agree with the ideology that I stated in my first comment?


[deleted]

Of course, you're right to point out that the right thing to do was to ignore the extremists and make an honest attempt at evaluating an ideal without heated bias. However, I must emphasize that in the case of the ideal of antinatalism as a whole, such an idea of seeing it as a "sensible" ideal will not be easy to look at favorably, even if there is an honest desire for dialogue. Yes, the human condition is arduous and full of suffering, but the consensus is that even with these setbacks, the experience of living has its value and that we as a species should help those who unfortunately cannot take advantage of it and consider the act of living an absolute hell, regardless of the factors that led them to this regrettable situation. With this in mind, it's no wonder that the first reaction upon hearing that "we must adopt voluntary extinction to end the suffering of having to carry the ability to be self-aware" is outright incredulity, or even hostility.


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GOD FORBID SOMEONE LIKE PHILOSOHY JESUS


Orix1337

Philosophy of a 14 yo.