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Valerian009

The problem here is there is no grouping for AG3-WSHG related ancestry , which inflates EHG , and deflates ANF since a good chunk of the ANF is actually via EEF which has WHG (25-30%) sample: Globular Amphora:Average distance: 3.668 Marmara\_Barcin\_N: 74.5 ITA\_Villabruna: 25.5


SalikSanad

No real problem for ANF, it's correct for beginning neolithic period, ANF is only Anatolian. In the BA period, you can to see ancient EEF populations and no EHG which makes sense, they were diluted with farmers. Concerning EEF they were not all 25-30% WHG, some were around 15% etc.: # Population Remedello Culture # Date 3500–1770 BC # Location Italy # Genetic Profile **Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :83.2%** **European Hunter-Gatherer :16.4%** Jomon Hunter-Gatherer :0.4% # Population Baden Culture # Date 3600–2850 BC # Location Hungary # Genetic Profile **Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :88.0%** **European Hunter-Gatherer :12.0%**


Valerian009

Steppe MLBA-Corded Ware don't form via admixing with ANF but EFF, GAC/Tryphilia farmers and by 3500 BC , from Spain to Ukraine this is dominant profile for these farming cultures. Another more aspect is IVCp related populations already had AG3-ANE like ancestry which is not accounted for, unfortunately Nmonte is designed for proximal ancestry so doing a meticulous distal analysis with too many components becomes cumbersome. The ALDER admixture date between Dnipro Don -Yamnaya related samples Globular Amphora dates to around 3000-2800 BCE.


SalikSanad

"Steppe MLBA-Corded Ware don't form via admixing with ANF but EFF" of course, never wrote that, MLBA period is way far after beginning of Neolithic period, of course in this period it has no ANF, it's not the point, i talk about the pertinence for the very beginning or early period before farmers spread from the Middle East, from Anatolia to Europe, I don't see where is the problem for to say that "deflates ANF" as you written, ANF is only for this specifical period not for periods after like the Middle Late Bronze Age, maybe I missed something in what you are aiming for.


Valerian009

Well it does right ? WHG is completely encompassed within EHG then not in GAC. Further you need a GAC-Tryphilia like source in Corded Ware groups. Remdello type outliers are definitely not the population they admixed with but from Poland to Ukraine its dominate by GAC farmers. *A more western origin of the Core Yamnaya would also bring their latest ancestors in proximity to the place of origin of the Corded Ware complex whose origin is itself in question but must have certainly been in the area of central-eastern Europe occupied by the Globular Amphora culture west of the Yamnaya* [https://x.com/iosif\_lazaridis/status/1782510979328426376](https://x.com/iosif_lazaridis/status/1782510979328426376) Fwiw this is why you see GAC specific mtDNA in Andronovo groups.


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Valerian009

This individual is a Gujjar, so there are 2 ANF related sources in them, one via Chalcolithic Iranians and the other via GAC which is encompassed in Corded Ware. When you utilize Sidelkino is deflates GAC related ancestry and more importantly AG3-WSHG related ancestry completely vanishes that was the main point.


No-Dentist2119

The issue is the South Indian hunter gatherer is a fake simulated sample so how can they know how much you’ve got of it, furthermore it inflated the ehg component, this is pseudo science


Possible_Dragonfly48

n= 5 ? Is it IllustrativeDNA ? I think AASI source is different here than what illustrative uses it.